The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1730 - What the Next Pope Means for You

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00:00:40.940 Within a matter of hours, we might have a new pope.

00:00:44.880 And even if you're not Catholic, what happens today in the Sistine Chapel is going to affect you in a big way.

00:00:51.160 Because whatever your religious views, the Catholic Church is the single most important institution in the West.

00:00:59.420 It is the only institution in the West that has survived from antiquity.

00:01:03.080 And it is the last institution holding our decaying civilization together.

00:01:08.080 We will get into what is going to happen.

00:01:10.300 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:01:11.000 This is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:11.780 Welcome back to the show.

00:01:32.020 We got the inside scoop on what's going on around Rome today.

00:01:36.260 We have a bishop coming on this show.

00:01:38.240 Bishop Barron.

00:01:38.800 Have you heard of him?

00:01:39.440 I think you might have heard of him before.

00:01:40.500 He is in Rome to discuss what's about to happen.

00:01:43.980 Because I don't care if you are a hardcore Calvinist.

00:01:49.080 I don't care if you're a Jew, a Muslim, an atheist, an agnostic.

00:01:52.920 What happens today in Rome is going to have very serious effects for all of Western civilization.

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00:02:28.740 We'll get into more of what is actually happening in the conclave when Bishop Barron comes on a little bit later.

00:02:36.240 Just broadly, though, what is happening right now.

00:02:38.860 Pope Francis died.

00:02:39.880 We had a period of mourning for Pope Francis.

00:02:41.800 We had the funeral of Pope Francis.

00:02:43.000 Today, this morning, there's a mass for the election of the Pope.

00:02:49.040 Then, the cardinal electors process into the Sistine Chapel.

00:02:53.600 Then, they sweep the chapel for bugs, for wiretaps.

00:02:58.180 They have military-grade signal jammers turned on.

00:03:02.340 This is a very, very serious thing.

00:03:04.320 You are not going to get a lot of information out of this, if anything.

00:03:07.460 And then, they vote.

00:03:09.700 If no one is elected Pope on the first ballot, this could go on for some days.

00:03:15.980 This could really go on.

00:03:16.860 This could go three days.

00:03:17.780 They could take a break.

00:03:18.540 It could go on for six days, seven days.

00:03:20.720 It could go maybe longer.

00:03:24.140 There will be the first vote.

00:03:25.440 If no one is elected on the first ballot, then tomorrow, there will be two votes in the morning, then two votes in the evening.

00:03:30.540 Eventually, they'll narrow it down to two.

00:03:32.320 Eventually, we'll have a Pope.

00:03:33.200 So, when the cardinals are done voting, they're going to burn all their ballots in a stove that will go up through a flue in the Sistine Chapel.

00:03:43.520 If the smoke is black, that indicates that we don't have a Pope yet.

00:03:48.140 If the smoke is white, and they have little chemicals and things to change the color of the smoke, if the smoke is white, that indicates that we have a Pope.

00:03:56.400 Why do you care if you are not Catholic?

00:03:58.880 This matters, even if you're not Catholic, because the Catholic Church is the institution that built our civilization.

00:04:09.860 The Catholic Church built the cathedrals. 0.97

00:04:12.140 The Catholic Church built the universities.

00:04:14.400 The Catholic Church built the governments, in many ways, of a lot of our nations, even though religious influence has waned over time.

00:04:22.760 The Catholic Church built our art, our paintings, our sculptures, our everything.

00:04:29.840 It built our whole civilization.

00:04:31.640 Okay?

00:04:32.080 So, even if you're not Catholic, what happens today and what happens to the Catholic Church will affect you.

00:04:39.520 There is an old expression, lex arandi, lex credendi, the way that we worship, the law that we worship.

00:04:47.780 The law of worship is the law of belief.

00:04:52.020 So, and by the way, speaking of the lex arandi, the liturgy is going to be a really important part, I think, of the conclave.

00:05:01.960 The traditional mass has become a big draw for a lot of converts, for a lot of reverts, for a lot of young people, for myself included.

00:05:12.300 And during Pope Francis' pontificate, the Vatican tried to suppress the traditional Latin mass for all sorts of reasons, which I don't think were very persuasive.

00:05:20.260 The Latin mass persisted in substantially its same form from the year 600 until after the Second Vatican Council in the 20th century.

00:05:33.140 Then there was a big tumult, a big change to the liturgy, and that affected a lot of the ways that we believe.

00:05:39.260 If you no longer receive our Lord in the Holy Eucharist, kneeling on the tongue, if you receive our Lord in some different way, that's probably going to affect the way that you believe.

00:05:52.100 If the priest is facing the people like he's putting on a vaudeville show for you, instead of facing the altar and leading all of the people in worship of God, that's going to affect the way that you believe.

00:06:00.440 So, there have been liturgy wars.

00:06:02.060 I think that's going to be a big part of it.

00:06:03.480 Obviously, some geopolitical issues are going to touch on it too, but I don't care if you've never been inside a Catholic church.

00:06:12.480 I mean, I do care, and I think you should go, but I'm just telling you, this institution, the sole institution in the West to survive from antiquity,

00:06:24.140 the institution that has had more influence than any other in our civilization, what happens to that institution?

00:06:34.160 It's going to affect everything, okay?

00:06:36.280 The other institutions that could have held the West together have fallen.

00:06:42.540 The universities, the old regimes, the old monarchies, the pomp and the circumstance, it's gone.

00:06:50.240 The one institution that remains, that endures, somewhat expectedly, if you ask me, is the church.

00:06:56.520 So, we got to hope and pray that the conclave goes well.

00:07:01.000 Now, speaking of reforming institutions in our dying civilization. 0.84

00:07:07.220 By the way, when I say dying civilization, I don't just mean we're getting dumber or we're more impolite or something. 0.85

00:07:13.900 I literally mean dying.

00:07:15.860 When I say the universities are dying, when I say the regimes are dying, I mean the nations are literally dying.

00:07:21.080 We don't have enough people to replace ourselves.

00:07:23.820 So, reform is important.

00:07:26.800 And at the political level, that's what Trump is trying to do right now.

00:07:30.080 Well, Doge is announcing, Elon Musk is announcing, that they've saved over $1,000 per taxpayer.

00:07:39.260 Doge says the total savings has now reached $165 billion.

00:07:42.040 That's through a combination of asset sales, contract-slash-lease cancellations, renegotiations, fraud, improper payment deletion, grant cancellations, interest savings, programmatic changes, regulatory savings, and workforce reductions.

00:07:56.020 Which means, if you divvy that up among the taxpayers, you get down to $1,024.84 per taxpayer, because there are 161 million individual federal taxpayers in the U.S.

00:08:11.440 That's pretty good.

00:08:12.520 If you pay taxes, Elon Musk has saved you, on average, $1,000 so far.

00:08:17.960 It's only early May.

00:08:20.440 This guy is keeping his promise.

00:08:22.780 Trump is keeping his promise.

00:08:24.120 Yes, the libs are blowing a gasket against Doge.

00:08:28.660 But whatever they say about the importance of transgender ballet recitals in Tunisia, just ask yourself, would you rather have that? 1.00

00:08:38.340 Would you rather have some bloated bureaucracy where people aren't doing all that much?

00:08:43.820 Or would you rather have an extra $1,000 in your pocket?

00:08:45.920 By the way, on the topic of the government saving money and $1,000, I have to correct an egregious error that I made yesterday.

00:08:52.240 I pointed out that Trump has this new policy where he says he's going to pay illegals $1,000 to deport themselves.

00:08:58.680 And I don't know, I guess I did the math too quickly or I was too tired or something.

00:09:01.620 But I said, or maybe I just misspoke, whatever.

00:09:04.080 I said that it was going to cost $11 billion or $11 trillion instead of $11 billion, which is a rather different figure.

00:09:13.740 You know, in the way that we conceive of numbers that we don't really, it's difficult for us to understand orders of magnitude.

00:09:18.620 But that's a rather different number.

00:09:20.220 So anyway, my point still stands on it, which is, in fact, now the point is all the clearer and all the more compelling, which is $11 billion to deport all the illegals. 0.74

00:09:31.260 Great.

00:09:31.860 Where do I sign?

00:09:32.900 Let me donate more.

00:09:33.980 I'd like to donate.

00:09:35.300 I'd like to pay more in taxes, actually, if that's the result that I'll get. 0.98

00:09:39.560 Where I don't want my tax dollars going is to stupid programs that promote leftism overseas that are super corrupt and to bureaucrats who are not doing their jobs. 0.95

00:09:49.240 Elon Musk came out with a shocking fact yesterday about the federal employees that you're all paying, taking even more of your money. 0.99

00:10:00.700 We've actually found there's a lot of people who are federal government employees.

00:10:04.520 They're active employees who nonetheless applied for and have received unemployment insurance.

00:10:09.240 While they're federal employees?

00:10:10.980 Yes.

00:10:11.580 Wow.

00:10:12.200 And this appears to be at least 100,000 people.

00:10:15.280 Wow.

00:10:15.620 100,000 people that you're paying your taxpayer money, taking even more of your taxpayer money because they're claiming unemployment.

00:10:26.480 This, after we've heard so much from Doge and from various agency heads.

00:10:32.040 I mean, you heard from EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin that the vast majority of the workforce was not coming into work five days a week or even close to it when he took office.

00:10:41.660 These are really crazy numbers and the libs are going to try to fear monger among the electorate with tariffs or with the bond market going up and down or with the NASDAQ going up and down.

00:10:58.880 They're going to say, see, Trump is a disaster for our economy.

00:11:01.960 But just let's get down to brass tacks here.

00:11:06.620 Trump is plowing through the waste, fraud, and abuse in the government that the Democrats have used as a patronage system to ensconce themselves in power for decades.

00:11:17.700 That's why they're freaking out and Trump can bring the receipts and say, hey, my agenda, my administration is cleaning up their corruption and it's thus far giving each of you a thousand bucks back in your pocket.

00:11:32.720 And guess what?

00:11:33.540 You'll get even more.

00:11:34.260 Those conversations are going to be very important as Trump moves toward his signature legislative achievement, one hopes, of the first year, which is the extension of the tax cuts.

00:11:46.140 We'll get to all of that, though, in a little bit.

00:11:47.880 First, I want to get to this ridiculous debate about the N-word that has gotten even funnier because of a magnificent television appearance on Piers Morgan's show last night that has everybody talking and that I have many thoughts on.

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00:13:29.040 In pop culture, we are all still talking about the N-word.

00:13:34.620 Now, the very fact that I'm saying the N-word shows you that this word, this is the unspeakable word,

00:13:42.200 as I wrote in my book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.

00:13:44.720 It is the word, thank you, it is the word that is treated with the awe and reverence

00:13:49.220 with which the ancient Israelites treated the unspeakable name of God.

00:13:54.080 This is, that's the, but it's a fact, as I also point out in my book, Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds.

00:13:59.120 Taboos are real, thank you, and they just do exist. 0.94

00:14:03.780 Taboos are not necessarily a bad thing, every culture has taboos.

00:14:06.700 That's a taboo in our culture right now.

00:14:09.180 So, that's one reason why people don't say it.

00:14:13.060 Then Shiloh Hendricks, while some Somali kid was robbing her toddler on the playground in Minnesota, 0.89

00:14:20.600 Shiloh Hendricks allegedly said the word, and then some alleged Somali child rapist started filming her 1.00

00:14:27.020 and said, did you say that word?

00:14:28.440 And then she said the word multiple times, and then the internet gave her over half a million bucks.

00:14:31.700 I think now it's up to $700,000.

00:14:33.820 So, now we're all talking about the N-word, a word that we're not even saying.

00:14:38.640 Piers Morgan, a true master of television who just knows how to create TV that we all have to watch.

00:14:46.460 Piers Morgan invites a woman on to debate the use of the word, and it goes about as you would expect.

00:14:55.340 Do you use the N-word out of interest?

00:14:57.540 Yes.

00:14:58.440 You would?

00:15:00.340 I do, quite frankly.

00:15:01.880 You use the N-word quite frequently.

00:15:03.520 Well, why? 1.00

00:15:04.400 Other than the fact you're a despicable racist. 1.00

00:15:06.520 Are you? 1.00

00:15:08.620 Some would say I am.

00:15:09.900 I guess, according to the ADL, I'm a white supremacist.

00:15:13.320 I'm a neo-Nazi. 0.98

00:15:14.420 Yeah, well, if you use the N-word repeatedly, you are a racist, then, are you? 0.97

00:15:19.040 Are you? 0.98

00:15:19.360 Sure, I'll embrace that.

00:15:20.720 If that means forwarding, you know, helping white people achieve freedom of speech, real freedom of speech, which, by the way, includes... 0.53

00:15:27.320 I mean, Shiloh Hendricks is being attacked on all fronts.

00:15:30.040 They're trying to bring legal charges against her. 0.99

00:15:31.800 They're trying to get her children taken away. 0.58

00:15:33.340 So you were saying, Carmelo Anthony, it doesn't matter.

00:15:36.800 That's a different kind of thing.

00:15:37.400 Sorry, but just to be clear, you just said to me you use the N-word regularly.

00:15:41.560 In what context?

00:15:42.440 Do you use it with black people? 0.85

00:15:46.020 Yes, if it's appropriate.

00:15:48.420 When would it be appropriate to use the N-word? 0.54

00:15:50.200 She uses it about black people.

00:15:51.000 When would it be appropriate?

00:15:53.560 Anytime I feel like it. 0.94

00:15:55.700 So you're an unashamed racist? 0.98

00:15:58.820 Correct. 0.97

00:15:59.260 Cinema.

00:16:03.140 This is the Martin Scorsese meme.

00:16:07.060 TV.

00:16:08.040 This is good.

00:16:09.380 Man, is this good TV.

00:16:11.540 You've got to give it to Piers and to this gal, Lily.

00:16:15.860 I don't have her exact name.

00:16:17.760 Lily something or other, who went viral, by the way.

00:16:20.300 This just shows you what great TV this is.

00:16:23.280 Piers has her on and goes, would you?

00:16:24.660 We're all debating the N-word.

00:16:25.900 Would you ever say the N-word?

00:16:28.660 This girl only went viral for saying the N-word in this video. 1.00

00:16:34.880 You're getting the opinion of some dumb whores and immigrants fresh off the boat looking for a green card. 1.00

00:16:43.080 Yes, they are probably gold diggers, but that's the exception. 1.00

00:16:47.100 I'm the rule.

00:16:48.820 Everybody I know who's married right now, they're married to broke.

00:16:52.460 Okay, broke ninjas, broke fellas, broke the N-word.

00:16:58.800 That's what she said.

00:17:00.020 By the way, the producers tell me her name is Lily Gaddis.

00:17:02.200 She went viral, as do many young women on TikTok, for being kind of outrageous and demanding attention. 1.00

00:17:12.960 She got the attention she demanded, so that's fine.

00:17:15.020 But notice here, she's using the word in a way that has nothing to do with race.

00:17:20.500 She's using the word, truly, as it is used in rap songs and as it is used in pop culture, to mean fellas, to mean guys, to mean buddies.

00:17:31.380 I'm dating those broke fellas. 1.00

00:17:33.680 The way she's using it in that video has nothing to do with race.

00:17:38.100 But she got a lot of blowback for it, and then she doubled down, and now that's her thing. 1.00

00:17:45.200 Now that's what Piers Morgan calls her to talk about, and then pretends like he doesn't know that she supports using that word.

00:17:51.420 She's kind of backed herself into a corner into defending the word on racial grounds,

00:17:55.640 when in fact the reason she went viral in the first place is to use the word colloquially and say,

00:18:00.040 hey, look, if you're using this word in an innocent way, you shouldn't have your life ruined.

00:18:03.860 It's not that big a deal.

00:18:04.640 The taboo is too intense for this word by any reasonable standard,

00:18:09.600 which is a fair point that she's making, that she is implicitly making in the first video.

00:18:14.440 In the second video, it's a less reasonable point when she says, yeah, I call black people this word all the time.

00:18:18.900 And whenever it's appropriate, when's it appropriate?

00:18:21.260 Whenever I feel like it, that's when it's appropriate.

00:18:23.120 This is a kind of tyranny of the will, voluntarist vision of using words.

00:18:29.360 And she's backed herself into a corner.

00:18:30.760 And this is a political issue because I find that conservatives have backed themselves into a corner on the N-word and on all of these discussions.

00:18:41.440 And actually, you know, I hate to say I told you so, and I've mentioned my book twice now today on the show.

00:18:46.720 I wrote my book largely to prevent conservatives from backing themselves into a corner here.

00:18:52.940 Because now this debate, once again, is about free speech.

00:18:57.340 But as I mentioned the first time around, when we were talking about Shiloh Hendricks, when I was defending people who donated to her,

00:19:05.360 when I was pointing out the cultural context and grievances that led to this interaction on a playground,

00:19:13.120 I pointed out, no one, not one person is seriously defending calling a five-year-old kid a racial slur.

00:19:23.280 That has nothing to do with the Shiloh Hendricks story.

00:19:26.000 That has nothing to do with the GoFundMe.

00:19:27.820 That has nothing to do with any of it.

00:19:30.380 What this is really about is Austin Metcalf and racial double standards and mass migration.

00:19:35.900 That's what it's about.

00:19:36.560 And the huge influx of Somalis into Minnesota, which creates racial and cultural tension, 0.97

00:19:41.580 just as would occur if you had a mass influx of Minnesotans into Somalia.

00:19:45.760 That's what it's really about.

00:19:47.200 This debate that we're having right now, that Piers Morgan has exemplified so beautifully, is not about free speech.

00:19:55.600 You could say, hey, what if I use this word, this really naughty word that you're not supposed to say?

00:20:00.920 What would happen then?

00:20:01.680 And you say, well, it would probably be shocking, because that's the unutterable word.

00:20:07.000 So it would shock people.

00:20:08.740 And it would even probably be pretty funny in a lot of contexts.

00:20:12.140 But it would be vulgar.

00:20:14.880 It would be impolite.

00:20:17.100 It would be ill-advised.

00:20:19.720 If you're a lady, it wouldn't be very ladylike. 1.00

00:20:22.280 You know, so I wouldn't, I'd avoid saying it.

00:20:25.240 And then the person would say, well, what?

00:20:26.260 You don't support free speech?

00:20:28.180 Absolutely.

00:20:28.620 Ultimately, I'd say, no, I don't, because that's a lib thing, and I'm a conservative.

00:20:35.180 So no, I like standards and norms.

00:20:38.980 And there's no such thing as absolute free speech, because every culture has taboos, because we're human beings.

00:20:44.880 Oh, so then what should we do?

00:20:48.760 What should the conservative response to this be? 0.91

00:20:50.680 Should we play along with the ridiculous racial double standards and taboos that the left has installed over the last 30, 40 years? 0.93

00:20:59.480 No. 0.70

00:21:00.640 You know, even on the matter of the N-word, you know, the phrase the N-word pops up in the 1990s.

00:21:05.740 It's around the O.J. Simpson trial.

00:21:09.280 And who was the guy who got beaten?

00:21:10.840 Rodney King.

00:21:11.340 It was about Rodney King and O.J. Simpson, and specifically O.J. Simpson.

00:21:16.360 Before that, the New York Times was just writing the word out.

00:21:19.040 N-I-G-G-E-R was just right down there in the gray lady. 1.00

00:21:23.020 The N-word comes up like 30 years ago, but it does actually become a new taboo.

00:21:29.680 Does this mean that that should be the one unutterable word and we should go along with the left's standards?

00:21:35.240 No.

00:21:36.820 But likewise, it doesn't mean that we should eradicate all standards entirely.

00:21:40.580 I don't want women speaking like sailors. 1.00

00:21:42.720 I don't even think men should speak like sailors.

00:21:44.360 Not in public, at least.

00:21:46.760 There are plenty of words I wouldn't say on this show.

00:21:49.240 Many, many words, because I try to make this a wholesome family show, okay?

00:21:52.400 So there are a lot of words.

00:21:53.420 I'll use euphemisms.

00:21:54.320 I'll speak around them.

00:21:55.020 All people use euphemisms.

00:21:57.040 And we use euphemisms to soften harsh realities, and the left uses euphemisms to deny and invert realities that they don't like.

00:22:03.700 But it's okay.

00:22:05.480 To call a woman of a certain age, to call an old woman a woman of a certain age is perfectly reasonable. 1.00

00:22:10.340 That's a polite thing to do.

00:22:12.840 To call a man a woman is the wrong thing to do because it's lying. 0.73

00:22:16.300 So the conservative response to this should not be to go along with the left's standards.

00:22:23.900 And the conservative response should not be to blow up standards entirely.

00:22:28.520 It should be to defend appropriate standards.

00:22:31.720 There should be words that are taboo.

00:22:35.400 There should be things that we discourage and punish in society, at least at a cultural level.

00:22:42.180 Those should be things like sacrilege. 0.99

00:22:45.640 Those should be blasphemy.

00:22:48.140 Those should be things like vulgarity, profanity. 0.99

00:22:52.660 Those should be things like threats and obscenity and fraud and libel and slander and all the things that we traditionally have suppressed and discouraged.

00:23:05.800 And the true taboos, taboo is a religious term.

00:23:09.780 The real taboos should pertain to religious things.

00:23:12.480 But these days, we're allowed to and encouraged to profane religious things.

00:23:18.000 The only thing we're not allowed to talk about are the left's hobby horses.

00:23:23.760 Those are what have become taboos.

00:23:24.860 But we should have taboos.

00:23:26.960 We should encourage, especially ladies, to talk like ladies. 0.87

00:23:29.640 But men too.

00:23:30.340 Men should talk like gentlemen.

00:23:32.220 And we should just say, no, no, no.

00:23:33.520 There are good things.

00:23:35.940 There are bad things.

00:23:36.640 We should discourage the bad things.

00:23:38.040 We should promote the good things.

00:23:39.200 But they've got to be really good and really bad, not just some social engineering scheme cooked up by the left to push whatever racial or sexual agenda and fantasy they're trying to push that week.

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00:24:56.640 Speaking of taboos and standards, President Trump, I say President Trump gets it right about 97.8% of the time.

00:25:09.820 Maybe more.

00:25:11.620 Maybe it's 99.6% of the time.

00:25:13.800 I don't know.

00:25:14.300 But listen, the man, he's not a deity, okay?

00:25:17.920 He's not totally perfect.

00:25:20.660 So sometimes there's some missteps.

00:25:22.400 I think we're getting to one of those missteps right now.

00:25:24.340 Now, President Trump is defending the abortion pill against a lawsuit brought by Idaho, Kansas, and Missouri.

00:25:35.720 So it's really the Trump administration.

00:25:38.140 Who knows if President Trump is even aware of this?

00:25:40.120 He's got a lot going on, and this is a relatively less highly prioritized matter, though it's a very, very important matter.

00:25:49.200 Politico reported on this yesterday.

00:25:50.600 Actually, pretty decent reporting in this case.

00:25:52.500 The Trump administration is defending federal regs allowing abortion pills to be available online and by mail, according to the DOJ.

00:26:02.380 The DOJ is not defending the abortion pill and the FDA's rules on the abortion pill on the merits.

00:26:13.140 The DOJ is simply arguing that these three red states that are suing the agency lack standing.

00:26:20.600 And so they're arguing to a judge in the Northern District of Texas that the case should be thrown out.

00:26:25.300 So first, I think I understand a little bit what the Trump administration is doing here, which is putting the abortion issue aside entirely.

00:26:36.760 The Trump administration is defending federal power against the states taking that power back.

00:26:43.520 Which is a little bit of a shift in that Republicans tend to support states' rights, at least in the last 50, 60 years.

00:26:48.680 The Republicans are on the side of states' rights, and the Democrats are on the side of the federal government.

00:26:52.360 Trump has changed that a little bit, I think for good reasons, but this would be an example of the federal government saying, no, this is our right.

00:26:57.820 We have the right to set these regulations.

00:27:00.180 You, even if you're red states, even Idaho, Kansas, and Missouri, you don't have the right to take that away from us.

00:27:07.300 Okay, I at least understand that.

00:27:08.980 I'm not saying I defend that, but I understand that.

00:27:10.400 Politically speaking, maybe they're trying to sideline the abortion issue for the midterms.

00:27:16.400 Maybe Trump is a little worried.

00:27:17.460 Obviously, when you have a party elected to power, then in the first midterm election, usually the party in the White House loses power in the Congress.

00:27:24.100 So they're concerned that the Republicans are going to lose power there.

00:27:26.860 It's going to imperil the rest of the Trump agenda.

00:27:28.520 I get it.

00:27:28.900 I've heard it in every, just about every midterm election for my entire life.

00:27:33.440 However, on an issue like this, this is not just one minor issue among many.

00:27:39.280 We're talking about the right to life.

00:27:41.400 Okay, this is the fundamental right from which all the other rights flow.

00:27:45.540 And morally speaking, it is wrong to defend the abortion pill.

00:27:51.660 It's just wrong.

00:27:53.280 It's a poison that murders the most vulnerable people among us.

00:27:57.840 It is very dangerous to women, according to a study that we just talked about the other day,

00:28:01.720 from the Ethics and Public Policy Center, the promoters of the abortion pill,

00:28:05.900 and the government does not really acknowledge that 11% of women who take the abortion pill

00:28:11.920 will suffer serious adverse health effects as a result of that.

00:28:16.480 That's according to a study based on a rather large data set that came out just recently.

00:28:21.100 But also, it murders the most vulnerable among us.

00:28:23.540 It also accounts for the majority of abortions these days because of the development of this technology.

00:28:27.420 So morally, it's really bad.

00:28:29.640 Politically, it is bad because the states ought to, according to the Supreme Court in Dobbs,

00:28:37.620 the states ought to have the right to pass their own laws about abortion. 1.00

00:28:41.680 This undermines the Dobbs decision.

00:28:45.220 Okay, now some would argue that the Supreme Court should actually just ban abortion entirely

00:28:49.120 on 14th Amendment grounds, on equal protection grounds.

00:28:51.500 But according to the court's arguments right now, the abortion issue belongs to the states.

00:28:56.320 So if states want to ban the abortion pill, which accounts for most abortions,

00:29:01.100 they ought to have the right to do that, according to the logic of Dobbs,

00:29:04.120 the most recent Supreme Court decision on the matter.

00:29:06.700 So politically, I think it's wrong too.

00:29:08.840 And then you get to the electoral benefit question.

00:29:12.240 Well, what if it's just some political operatives in the White House who are saying,

00:29:15.340 look, this is going to help us in the midterms?

00:29:16.760 I don't think it's going to help you in the midterms all that much.

00:29:19.140 You had the Washington Post just, what, two days ago?

00:29:23.760 I read it on the show, describing how three years after the Dobbs leak,

00:29:29.300 this issue is just not a big issue anymore.

00:29:33.380 The Democrats put all their chips on the abortion issue, and it didn't pan out.

00:29:37.620 So now the Democrats are moving to other issues,

00:29:40.160 because they realize that most voters are not motivated primarily by their bloodlust for infants.

00:29:46.000 Okay, so at this moment, when you've got even Democrats admitting,

00:29:50.240 okay, the abortion thing, it's not working for us.

00:29:51.900 We're going to try something else.

00:29:53.020 Now is not the time, even just as a cold electoral calculation.

00:29:57.040 Now is not the time for the conservatives to pull back on the life issue.

00:30:00.440 Now's the time to double down.

00:30:01.680 We got them.

00:30:02.200 We won.

00:30:02.940 We won.

00:30:03.440 Do not do as Republicans so frequently do,

00:30:06.860 and clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.

00:30:08.500 We're here.

00:30:09.000 We got it.

00:30:09.560 Let's go all the way, baby.

00:30:10.560 Especially when the law and even just the political order and the morality of it

00:30:18.600 are all on the side of not defending this murderous pill.

00:30:25.420 I don't even know who at the White House is behind this.

00:30:29.420 Trump is right.

00:30:30.700 What do we say 99.3% of the time?

00:30:32.940 Something like that.

00:30:33.580 So on those rare instances when the Trump admin is getting something a little bit wrong,

00:30:38.880 it's good to have a fraternal correction.

00:30:41.140 Let's not, let's not, let's keep the train on the rails, folks. 0.76

00:30:44.920 The train, it's doing very well.

00:30:46.100 We're going in the right direction.

00:30:47.040 Let's make sure we keep the train on the rails, all right?

00:30:49.400 Now, speaking of kids, really, really horrifying story.

00:30:54.440 This is from Kash Patel over at the FBI.

00:30:58.320 There is a network of child predators called 764.

00:31:04.040 Kash Patel writes, the criminals in these networks use online platforms to target vulnerable

00:31:08.800 kids, coerce victims, and recruit others, often resulting in horrible cases of abuse.

00:31:15.560 It is absolutely tragic, and I want people to know we're cracking down hard.

00:31:20.080 Remember last week we announced our agents and partners arrested two alleged leaders within

00:31:23.580 764.

00:31:24.420 We've opened hundreds of cases around the country, and our field offices are

00:31:28.320 fully engaged.

00:31:29.060 This is a priority for me, Dan Bongino, and our leadership team.

00:31:31.780 Okay, what is this group?

00:31:33.580 How are they extorting people?

00:31:34.900 According to ABC News, this is a loose network of violent predators who befriend teens online

00:31:41.780 through popular platforms, then coerce them into sexual behavior and violent behavior, and

00:31:48.140 then extort them, blackmail them over this behavior which they've recorded.

00:31:53.620 Obviously, Glad Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are looking into this.

00:31:57.560 Obviously, these predators should be prosecuted and thrown to hungry sharks if they're convicted. 0.82

00:32:04.140 Just the absolute worst punishments you can imagine. 0.89

00:32:08.400 This is another reminder.

00:32:10.020 For me, look, FBI targets criminals.

00:32:13.500 I guess that is a surprising story these days because under the Biden administration,

00:32:16.560 the FBI targeted grannies and Catholics.

00:32:18.620 But FBI targets criminals should not be a big news story.

00:32:21.960 To me, the political import of this is a reminder that giving your children smartphones is tantamount

00:32:30.320 to child abuse.

00:32:31.500 And if you've done it, probably most of you out there have done it, if you have kids.

00:32:35.500 I get it.

00:32:36.320 I know why.

00:32:36.920 I understand the pressure.

00:32:38.020 I know their friends at school have it, and this, and what are we going to do, and how

00:32:40.620 am I going to reach them for baseball practice?

00:32:42.040 If you give your kid a smartphone, you are handing that child a radioactive portal to hell, and

00:32:53.520 you're telling a child who lacks knowledge and self-control, by definition, to just be

00:33:01.600 responsible with it.

00:33:02.480 It's like you are handing them child predators.

00:33:06.480 You're just saying, hey, would you like, because it's not, I'm not even saying they're

00:33:09.880 going to meet some guy from this insane criminal network.

00:33:13.200 I'm saying they're going to see everything that's just out there on the internet.

00:33:18.120 I'm talking about the corporate predators.

00:33:19.640 I'm talking about the pornographers.

00:33:22.100 I'm talking about all manner of vice is just pouring into that thing.

00:33:26.200 It's like a fire hose, okay?

00:33:28.620 Don't, don't do it.

00:33:30.700 Let's hope the FBI takes care of this very quickly.

00:33:32.700 This is one reason why New Zealand is moving to ban kids under 16 from social media altogether.

00:33:39.140 Great idea.

00:33:39.940 Great idea.

00:33:41.020 I, you know, New Zealand's gone a little awry in recent years.

00:33:43.480 This is a terrific idea.

00:33:45.180 Strongly encourage it.

00:33:46.220 We should do the same thing.

00:33:48.000 We'd probably have to do it more at the state level in the United States, maybe, but we should

00:33:51.440 do that without question.

00:33:53.240 Now, speaking of things the kids shouldn't be watching, have you heard of the show The Last

00:33:57.360 of Us?

00:33:58.440 I think I'd heard of it.

00:34:00.700 I, I've never seen it.

00:34:02.560 I don't know what it's about.

00:34:05.200 My producers called my attention to this clip yesterday.

00:34:08.300 This is a woman talking to another woman about how to have a child. 1.00

00:34:15.540 So, we're having a baby.

00:34:19.980 I mean, we, and also, I guess, Jessie here.

00:34:25.140 It was Jessie, right?

00:34:29.840 So, we're all having a baby. 0.99

00:34:34.200 Holy s***. 0.99

00:34:35.040 I'm going to be a dad. 0.98

00:34:42.020 Yeah.

00:34:44.140 So, I'm going to, initially I was going to, I was thinking about calling in Mr. Davies

00:34:50.900 or Professor Jacob to explain this to me.

00:34:52.660 I'm going to try to work this out for myself.

00:34:54.080 Two women, I guess, lesbians, are, they're discussing how one of them is pregnant.

00:35:06.480 Now, there's no mystical explanation like in that Star Wars show for this.

00:35:12.560 There's no, it's not IVF, happily.

00:35:15.560 It's that one of the women, who is a lesbian, slept with a man and became pregnant.

00:35:22.860 And the woman does not plan to kill the baby through abortion, so that's good, I guess.

00:35:28.580 I'm finding a lot of glass half full here.

00:35:31.020 But, they're maybe going to exclude the man from being a father, or maybe the man will

00:35:37.920 still be involved, but then the other woman, the lesbian woman says, I'm going to be a dad. 0.87

00:35:48.020 I don't know what the show is about.

00:35:49.440 I don't want to, you know what, I don't even, I take it back when I, I told Professor Jacob

00:35:53.820 and Mr. Davies, I might call you into the show.

00:35:55.820 I take it back.

00:35:56.480 I don't want to know anything about this.

00:35:58.280 I don't want to know anything about this show.

00:35:59.560 So, I'm beginning to see the glass half full, because I guess what the show is saying here

00:36:06.000 is, lesbians aren't real, even if you say you're a lesbian, you're not really, and this 0.99

00:36:10.520 lesbian woman slept with a man, so okay, they're saying lesbians aren't real, and they're saying 0.83

00:36:15.580 that gender norms necessarily exist, even so much to the point that one of the women in 1.00

00:36:22.300 this same-sex relationship is going to call herself the dad. 1.00

00:36:25.060 It's a kind of acknowledgement that a child is best raised by his mother and his father 0.89

00:36:32.180 joined together in a lifelong union, even though, I mean, obviously, that's, it's not a mother

00:36:36.760 and a father here, but they're at least pretending to be, and hypocrisy is the tribute vice-paste

00:36:39.860 to virtue, as LaRouche Foucault tells us.

00:36:41.320 So, I mean, this is true, slop, degenerate TV, and you shouldn't let your kids watch it,

00:36:49.280 and you shouldn't watch it yourself, probably.

00:36:50.720 But I am seeing at least a kind of hint at or inclination towards something that is true.

00:36:59.400 I don't, okay.

00:36:59.920 I don't want to know anything more about it.

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00:37:42.300 My favorite comment yesterday is from Rat Boyd, who says,

00:37:46.100 cartels aren't terrorists is about as pedantic as tomatoes aren't vegetables.

00:37:51.120 Yes, about as pedantic and also technically true.

00:37:54.740 I think it is plausible and defensible for Trump to define the cartels as terrorists,

00:38:04.860 to free up resources that will allow them to take care of this imminent, serious national security

00:38:11.540 problem. Also, terrorism has a definition. Terrorism is when you target civilians to achieve

00:38:17.040 political ends. So I'm, I just don't, I just don't want to get too blurry about our distinctions here.

00:38:24.860 Okay. Because when you, you know, you could have a terrorist who doesn't murder anybody.

00:38:29.700 You could have a mass murderer who's not a terrorist. You can have violent conflict that

00:38:34.220 has no terrorism in it whatsoever. So we got to be precise about our definitions, but you're right.

00:38:39.300 I agree. It's a little bit pedantic. That's true. This shows a little bit pedantic. What do you

00:38:43.340 want me to tell you? That's just how it goes. Okay. There are a bunch of stories that I want to get

00:38:48.080 to. Big story out of the Supreme Court. President Trump is now allowed to have his military ban of

00:38:55.140 trans identifying people go into effect. There's a big announcement about the 2027 NFL draft,

00:39:00.640 but in reality, I'm sick of talking about the transgender ideology. And I, I'm not sure I've 1.00

00:39:06.680 ever watched a complete professional football game in my life. So I'm much more interested

00:39:10.260 interested in talking about the big civilizational news today, which is the papal conclave. And

00:39:16.560 we are blessed really, really, I'm not in being in any way facetious. We are blessed to have

00:39:21.320 a bishop and one of the great men of the church today, Bishop Robert Barron in Rome to tell us

00:39:28.000 exactly what is going on. Your excellency, thank you for coming on the show.

00:39:32.240 Michael, how are you? Always good to be with you.

00:39:34.220 Wonderful to be with you. I love, you're becoming more Italian by the moment I see with your hat 1.00

00:39:38.940 sitting there in St. Peter's. What is the, what is the mood?

00:39:42.960 I need this hat. I got a bad sunburn. I really need this hat because I got the Roman sun on me 0.98

00:39:47.320 now and the wind is blowing. So if it blows off during the interview, you'll know what happened.

00:39:51.300 Right. Of course. I'm just waiting for you to have one of those Toscano cigars or something,

00:39:55.400 maybe some Marcello Mastroianni sunglasses. So I mentioned at the top of the show today,

00:40:00.240 there are a lot of non-Catholics who watch the show and they might say, well, what do I care about

00:40:05.940 who the next Pope is, how the next Pope is elected? What does it matter? I told them, I said, you know,

00:40:12.140 this is the institution. This is the central institution in our civilization. The only one

00:40:17.200 that survived since antiquity, uh, Lex Irondi, Lex Credendi, you know, it really, uh, the mother

00:40:23.720 church really still has a lot of influence. So what are the stakes in the conclave today? I would hate to

00:40:29.140 ask you to engage in the scuttlebutt going around Rome, but if you have any insight as to, uh,

00:40:34.180 who the leading candidates might be and just where it goes from here.

00:40:38.480 Well, of course the stakes are very high. As you say, quite correctly, the Catholic church,

00:40:42.320 1.4 billion strong worldwide institution, nothing really like it anywhere in the world.

00:40:47.540 The Pope, whether you like it or not, is the most significant religious figure on planet earth.

00:40:52.580 And so it's natural that everyone's eyes are turned to this very place. In fact, right behind me in a

00:40:58.120 few minutes, the Cardinals will be marching from the Pauline Chapel into the Sistine Chapel

00:41:02.380 to start the, uh, the conclave. So that makes sense to me. The stakes are, are high and important for

00:41:07.880 the whole world. Um, you know, we'll see at the first ballot or they they'll see, we won't see it

00:41:13.540 directly, which candidates truly emerge. So there are people on the left, you know, like a Cardinal

00:41:19.080 Tagli from the Philippines, uh, Cardinal Zuppi here from Italy, going a little further to the center,

00:41:24.900 a Cardinal Peraline is still mentioned a lot here as the front runner still could be true going

00:41:30.380 further to the right. People like, uh, Cardinal Pete Zabala, the Jerusalem patriarch, um, someone I

00:41:36.880 like very much Anders Arborelius, who's the Cardinal of, um, of Sweden. And then go further, right.

00:41:42.600 You have, uh, someone like a Cardinal Erdo of Budapest. What's going to happen in a few minutes,

00:41:47.840 literally when they have the first ballot is they'll see which names in fact emerge. Sometimes

00:41:53.420 we're talking about names that have no relevance whatsoever. You know, they've been dreamed up by the

00:41:58.240 media and they actually don't have any traction. They'll see tonight. I'm going to guess you'll get

00:42:03.940 30 or so, let's say for a Tagli, 30 or so for an Erdo, and then we'll see which one gains ground 0.75

00:42:10.520 the next morning. So actually ballots one and two are very important. I think once they get that,

00:42:16.180 they'll start sensing momentum. If a block happens, that could well happen. Then they start looking at

00:42:21.900 compromise candidates in the middle. So that's the way it often goes with conclaves. We'll see

00:42:26.420 with this one. I think it'll be a little longer than most. I think we'll go into at least Friday

00:42:31.480 for this one, but again, we'll see. Because in principle we could have a Pope tonight, uh, but,

00:42:36.860 but if the Cardinal electors reach an impasse, then obviously this could go on much longer.

00:42:42.960 Yeah. And this, you know, the first ballot is when they're kind of testing things out and you might

00:42:46.820 vote for someone that you really like, but you kind of know, look, he's never going to elect him,

00:42:50.300 but I'm going to vote for him anyway tonight. But they want to get a feel for the, um,

00:42:54.540 you know, the can, the real candidates, not just the media speculation candidates. So very unlikely

00:43:00.980 to happen tonight, but it'll be an important ballot nevertheless. So you mentioned that

00:43:04.880 sometimes on the first ballot you vote for people out of respect or because you really like them or

00:43:08.820 just, but you know, you don't think they're really going to get it. Uh, probably the two

00:43:13.020 favorite candidates among American conservatives, uh, are a Cardinal Sarah and, uh, Cardinal Burke to,

00:43:21.280 uh, you know, traditional conservative Cardinals. Um, I think American conservatives think it would

00:43:26.960 be funny for the first black Pope to be one of the most traditionalist figures in the church in 0.96

00:43:31.460 recent memory. I think that would, that would probably, um, mess with people's heads a little

00:43:35.220 bit and, and could be good. Yeah. Is there, is there any chance that we get a Pope Burke or, or Sarah?

00:43:42.220 I don't think so. Uh, maybe 10 years ago, you know, Sarah was 10 years younger possibly, but he's 79.

00:43:49.820 I think the age is really going to be a factor there. Cardinal Burke is probably seen as by most

00:43:54.200 people as too far to the right. I think someone like Cardinal Erdo is a more likely, um, candidate

00:44:00.520 for the conservatives. And he's the one that most people say is most like John Paul II. It has that

00:44:05.620 combination of doctrinal clarity, cultural outreach, deep intelligence, wide connection across

00:44:12.160 Europe. So he might be the most reasonable choice for the conservatives. Uh, I'd be very happy with

00:44:17.720 Cardinal Erdo, but again, we'll see. So, uh, if it goes on for, you know, one day, two days, three days

00:44:25.800 at it, what, what happens if they can't pick a Pope at when, when does the rubber meet the road and the

00:44:30.540 process says, all right, we need, we need to have a pop-up. Right. Well, I think it's after it was a 12

00:44:35.940 or 15 ballots. If it's still undecided, they have to pause for a day of prayer and then they pick it up

00:44:41.200 again. When it reaches a certain point, I think it's like maybe 30 ballots or so they can move to

00:44:47.200 the top two candidates. Now the winner still has to get the two thirds plus one, but the Cardinals

00:44:52.880 after a certain number of ballots can decide, all right, let's bring it down to two and then we'll

00:44:58.520 have them, uh, you know, fight it out. Um, so it won't go on forever. It won't be like one of these

00:45:03.680 medieval conclatives that goes on for three years, you know? Um, and I would say likely it'll go on

00:45:10.240 until about Friday. I think over the last hundred years, the average is about seven ballots to elect

00:45:15.480 the Pope. So that's my guess. Now, uh, in terms of what the Cardinals are thinking about, you know,

00:45:20.740 I've gotten calls from the media, uh, you know, Michael, you're a lay Catholic. What, what are the

00:45:25.120 big issues? You know, is it immigration? Is it abortion? Is it this? And I, I had to tell a reporter,

00:45:30.340 I said, you think abortion is controversial in the Catholic church because it's controversial in

00:45:36.180 America. I said, there is no, the most liberal, uh, prelate in the Catholic church is more pro-life

00:45:43.640 than the most pro-life politician in America. So this is really your, your, uh, perception is a

00:45:49.040 little bit off. There are other issues that matter. The liturgy, the, uh, way to pull in wayward

00:45:55.080 bishops. What do you think the top issues are for the Cardinal electors who are making this decision?

00:46:00.640 It depends on what part of the world you're looking at. So the Catholic church, as we said,

00:46:04.220 is this worldwide institution. I really got this sense when I was at the synod, the last two

00:46:09.000 Octobers meeting with 400 church leaders from all over the world in America and the West, number one,

00:46:14.500 for sure, secularization and, uh, disaffiliation, especially of the young and therefore of strategies

00:46:21.140 for evangelization. I think that's number one concern in the West. You go into Latin America,

00:46:26.120 it would be, um, not so much the move toward secularism, but the loss of Catholics to the Protestant, 0.62

00:46:32.060 uh, uh, denominations. Go to Africa, totally different scene. The church is, is burgeoning in Africa,

00:46:38.500 but they're dealing with deadly persecution. They're dealing with a really, the, the clash of religions

00:46:44.040 with Islam. How do you handle that? You go to Asia, I'd say it's the inter-religious dialogue. You're

00:46:49.780 dealing with, you know, Buddhism and Hinduism, Islam and Christianity and so on. So it depends on what part of

00:46:54.960 the world you're looking at. If I were to say the number one issue that preoccupies the Cardinals,

00:47:00.680 it would be evangelization. The great call of Vatican II, the new evangelization espoused by

00:47:06.620 Paul VI, the John Paul II and Francis and all of them. I think how to keep that movement alive is,

00:47:13.280 is maybe the dominant concern. Well, uh, just my own hobby horse issue a little bit here.

00:47:18.200 Will the liturgy wars play any, any role in the conclave, the traditional Latin mass and all that?

00:47:24.620 I think so. I do in fact sense that in my conversations here, that a lot of people felt

00:47:29.180 that, that Francis's limitation of that was a mistake. Uh, I'll include myself here. A lot of

00:47:34.660 us felt that the way Pope Benedict handled that problem was better and that Francis, you know,

00:47:39.120 put more restrictions on it. So we as bishops, obviously, you know, went along with that,

00:47:42.940 uh, instruction, but I think many feel that, you know, in the great papacy of inclusivity,

00:47:48.760 a lot of the very conservative Catholics did not feel included at all. Right. And those that

00:47:53.740 advocated for the Latin mass did not feel, uh, included. So I do think that will be in play to

00:47:59.140 some degree. I wouldn't be totally surprised if the next Pope went back to what Pope Benedict decided.

00:48:05.040 What a hopeful note to end on, uh, your excellency. I know there's a lot more for you to do today

00:48:10.520 and, uh, much more hustle and bustle. So we will hope and pray for a good outcome here. Yeah. And

00:48:16.600 thank you so much for taking the time. God bless you. Ask the Holy Spirit yet to inspire these

00:48:21.360 cardinals. Certainly will. Thank you, your excellency. Thank you to all of you. Thanks. I'm

00:48:26.620 going to see you over in the member room segmentum. So do not go anywhere unless you're not a member.

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00:48:40.520 Oh, yeah.

00:48:43.840 Okay.

00:48:47.320 Yeah.

00:48:47.360 All right.

00:48:56.640 Aw, yeah.

00:48:58.700 Yeah.

00:48:58.720 All right.

00:48:59.640 All right.

00:48:59.880 All right.

00:49:00.660 All right.

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The Michael Knowles Show - May 07, 2025

Ep. 1730 - What the Next Pope Means for You

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