The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1732 - Pope Leo XIV Elected： Everything You Need to Know

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00:00:37.920 Abemus Papam, the cardinal electors have picked a new pope.

00:00:42.660 He is the first American pope.

00:00:45.180 He has chosen the name Leo XIV.

00:00:47.700 You know how much I hate to say I told you so.

00:00:49.760 That is precisely the name that I called before it was announced.

00:00:53.700 So what does it mean for the church?

00:00:55.420 What does it mean for America?

00:00:56.360 What does it mean for the rest of the world?

00:00:58.840 No one saw this coming.

00:01:00.800 So we'll get into it.

00:01:01.500 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:01:02.180 This is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:02.980 Welcome back to the show.

00:01:23.600 A lot to say about the pope.

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00:02:09.600 No one predicted this.

00:02:14.640 I did predict the name.

00:02:16.400 It's not even that I predicted the name.

00:02:18.160 I said before the pope was announced, I said that I was hoping for the pope to take the regnal name.

00:02:26.440 You know, popes take a new name.

00:02:27.680 They're not their birth name anymore.

00:02:29.420 They pick, you know, John Paul or Francis.

00:02:31.520 Or I said I was hoping for Leo XIV.

00:02:35.260 And then a little while later, the pope came out and announced in Latin that he had picked Leo XIV.

00:02:42.040 And we'll get into why I was hoping for that in a second.

00:02:44.400 But I did predict the pope's name, which was cool.

00:02:48.200 I did not predict who the pope was going to be.

00:02:52.160 And no one predicted who this pope was going to be.

00:02:55.360 They always say you go in, you go into the conclave of pope, you come out a cardinal.

00:02:59.880 Okay, the betting markets are really bad on picking the pope.

00:03:02.900 And the betting markets were terrible on picking this pope.

00:03:06.240 No one predicted an American pope.

00:03:08.580 We didn't think we'd get an American pope for the next 500 years.

00:03:12.120 And this guy is the first American pope.

00:03:14.320 He's born in the U.S., U.S. citizen, also dual citizen with Peru.

00:03:17.960 And he chose the name Leo XIV.

00:03:21.280 He is Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost, born in Chicago.

00:03:26.280 That raises some red flags for people.

00:03:27.640 Augustinian, so he defines himself, particularly as having been formed by the teaching of St. Augustine, which is a good sign.

00:03:37.160 He's a canon lawyer, so that should be a good sign.

00:03:41.060 He comes out, he gives the speech in Italian, because this is his first urbi et urbi speech to the city and to the world.

00:03:49.140 And it is traditional to give this speech in Italian.

00:03:51.660 I was actually thinking, I don't speak Spanish.

00:03:54.320 I don't really speak French all that well.

00:03:55.880 I don't, the one language other than English that I have a decent command on is Italian, which is almost entirely useless almost all of the time, except for in this moment, because I was actually able to understand what the pope was saying.

00:04:07.560 Here's just a little snippet from his speech.

00:04:09.920 I'll give you a translation on the fly.

00:04:11.580 I'm a child of St. Augustine.

00:04:26.100 Who said, with you I'm a Christian, and for you I'm a bishop.

00:04:29.560 In this sense, we can all walk together to that country that God has prepared for us.

00:04:47.200 Okay, then he starts speaking in Spanish, and my Spanish is not that good.

00:04:50.000 He says, I want to say, you know, a little word, a little hello in Spanish.

00:04:54.220 Okay, that's interesting.

00:04:55.760 Francis did the same thing.

00:04:59.560 Because he worked in Peru, he was a Peruvian citizen.

00:05:06.760 Now we want a synodal church that seeks always the peace and charity to be close, especially to those who suffer.

00:05:23.160 Okay, so what do we get from this?

00:05:24.620 He spoke for longer.

00:05:25.540 He spoke for about 10 or 11 minutes.

00:05:26.960 But just from this, we can learn a lot.

00:05:29.100 First of all, he's not using the royal we.

00:05:32.620 You know, when a king speaks, and traditionally when a pope speaks, he says we and our instead of I and mine.

00:05:40.920 The reason he does this is because he's speaking from the office, you know, as the representative of, as the kind of embodiment of the people.

00:05:50.540 I'm not surprised.

00:05:51.660 Popes haven't done that in a little while now.

00:05:53.380 We're a little more populist with our language.

00:05:55.300 And you see, I, me, and my.

00:05:57.400 Okay.

00:05:58.200 He uses Italian, Spanish, and Latin.

00:06:00.060 Doesn't use English.

00:06:00.840 But he's the first American pope.

00:06:02.580 So this guy, he wasn't born in Italy.

00:06:04.100 He wasn't born in Peru.

00:06:05.040 He was born in Chicago.

00:06:06.480 So some people were disappointed by that, that he didn't, why, the first American pope, he doesn't say anything in English.

00:06:13.280 Why not?

00:06:13.600 You know, he says, I want to say a quick hello in Spanish to my Spanish friends and my Peruvians.

00:06:17.760 Why not a quick hello in English?

00:06:19.660 Okay.

00:06:20.740 Okay, fine.

00:06:21.440 I'd prefer the whole thing in Latin or Italian, but okay.

00:06:25.020 No one asked me.

00:06:26.760 Really good sign here is that he comes out in the vestments, the formal vestments of the pope.

00:06:31.640 Francis did not do that.

00:06:33.980 Francis made a show of not wearing formal vestments, of not living in the papal palace.

00:06:39.900 He lived in a little apartment, of not driving the fancy pope car.

00:06:43.220 He had these little fiats made for his papacy, for his pontificate, rather.

00:06:48.320 And this was supposed to be a sign of humility.

00:06:51.440 I, however, do not read that as a sign of humility.

00:06:53.780 I read that, the breaking of tradition and a performed kind of simplicity.

00:06:58.600 I read that sometimes, not to cast aspersions on Pope Francis.

00:07:02.700 I'm not saying it's his intention, but the way it reads to me is a kind of false modesty.

00:07:07.680 I think that to be truly humble in this office, one has to diminish one's preferences.

00:07:14.960 Even if one prefers simplicity, even if one prefers not to wear all the vestments and the smells

00:07:21.120 and the bells, really the humble thing is to say, no, no, no, I am no longer living for my own accord.

00:07:28.280 I am taking on this office and all that it entails.

00:07:31.840 So I took it as a very good sign that Pope Leo XIV came out in the vestments and spoke in Latin and all the rest of it.

00:07:40.740 And the Pope then, just one other bit I'll play from his speech, he called on Our Lady.

00:07:45.400 He spoke of Our Lady, of Mary, quite a lot.

00:07:48.100 And he had everyone pray the Hail Mary in Italian.

00:07:50.840 We ask the special grace of Mary, who's our mother,

00:07:59.840 because our Lord gives Mary to us when he gives her to St. John and says,

00:08:03.200 Behold your mother.

00:08:06.760 Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.

00:08:08.860 Blessed art thou, most women.

00:08:10.000 Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

00:08:13.540 Holy Mary, Mother of God,

00:08:16.200 pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.

00:08:19.660 Say amen.

00:08:20.820 Amen.

00:08:24.000 And the crowd goes wild.

00:08:27.980 This is also a good sign.

00:08:29.680 The church, from the very beginning and very traditionally,

00:08:33.980 you know, gives a special veneration to Our Lady.

00:08:36.760 I know some people in the audience, certain Protestants won't like that,

00:08:39.620 but just saying from the standpoint of trying to ascertain,

00:08:42.580 what kind of pontificate is this going to be?

00:08:44.160 Is this going to be more traditional?

00:08:46.140 Is this going to be more innovative and modern and whatever?

00:08:48.940 However, that's very traditional, very respectful.

00:08:51.360 I think a very beautiful thing.

00:08:52.780 The best sign is the name because he said very little in this speech.

00:08:58.460 He didn't really indicate all that much what he's thinking of for his pontificate.

00:09:03.920 The phrase, the synodal way, this refers to, in particular, an initiative of Francis to make

00:09:11.540 the church less about, you know, formal, authoritative, doctrinal teachings from the chair of St. Peter

00:09:17.640 and more about dialogue and inclusivity and synodality in the synod of the synod of the synods.

00:09:22.840 So that raised an eyebrow.

00:09:25.640 That might not be great.

00:09:26.720 He spoke quite a lot about Pope Francis.

00:09:28.780 Now, that could be perfunctory or that could be because he really was pretty close to Pope Francis.

00:09:32.760 That's maybe not a great sign.

00:09:35.160 He's previously said very little publicly.

00:09:38.180 So we don't really know.

00:09:41.560 And there are going to be people who say, oh, I know exactly what this is.

00:09:43.760 There are going to be people freaking out and losing their minds.

00:09:45.460 There are going to be people who are really celebrating.

00:09:46.960 We don't know.

00:09:48.760 He's also a relatively young man.

00:09:50.200 He's 69 years old.

00:09:51.280 That's young by Pope standards.

00:09:52.680 So he could be Pope for 20 years.

00:09:54.620 The name is the great sign to me.

00:09:57.200 The name calls to mind Pope Leo XIII, who is one of the great popes that we've had relatively recently over the last 200 years.

00:10:05.460 In my mind, one of my favorite popes of all time.

00:10:08.300 And the connection to Pope Leo XIII is really, really interesting and I think tells you the most about maybe what we can expect.

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00:11:39.320 The new pope chooses the name Pope Leo XIV, as I was hoping for, as I called, at least in my hope, if not prediction.

00:11:48.300 Pope Leo XIII was pope in the late 19th century.

00:11:52.720 Pope Leo XIII is actually the first pope ever to have his voice recorded, and he's the earliest person ever to have his image captured by a camera.

00:12:02.020 Pope Leo XIII was born in 1810.

00:12:03.840 In 1896, there's this motion picture that was filmed of him, and he's giving a blessing, which is this really beautiful thing.

00:12:09.000 The first pope to appear on film, and what does he do?

00:12:11.420 He blesses everyone, as if we are receiving the pope's blessing even a century later, a century and a half later.

00:12:19.160 Pope Leo XIII is known as the most prolific pope ever.

00:12:23.760 He wrote all sorts of encyclicals.

00:12:25.620 Actually, he apparently, according to reports, drank cocaine wine.

00:12:29.760 There was this wine that was popular in the 19th century called Vain Mariani, and it was wine that had coca leaf in it,

00:12:35.240 and the alcohol would act on the coca leaf, and it activated cocaine, basically.

00:12:39.340 And so he took it as medicine, as did a lot of people of his age.

00:12:42.100 He said, you know, if he got a little drowsy, according to reports, he'd take it.

00:12:44.900 And clearly it worked, because he was quite prolific.

00:12:47.140 He wrote a lot of really great encyclicals.

00:12:49.860 You've probably heard me, one, say I'm hoping for a Pope Leo XIV to come up.

00:12:55.060 And two, you've probably heard me cite his encyclicals before.

00:12:58.720 In particular, Quota Apostolici Munaris, that was an encyclical on socialism.

00:13:03.520 Leo XIII was really tough on socialism, very anti-socialism.

00:13:08.060 That's a good sign for the new pope.

00:13:09.780 He wrote Eterni Patris on Christian philosophy.

00:13:13.080 Leo XIII was big on restoring Christian philosophy, Thomistic philosophy in particular,

00:13:18.800 the philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas.

00:13:20.120 That's a really, really good sign.

00:13:21.400 And his most famous encyclical is Rerum Novarum, which he wrote about Catholic social teaching.

00:13:29.420 And John Paul II, who everyone loves, John Paul II, in his encyclical,

00:13:34.560 Centesimos Anos, is writing about Rerum Novarum.

00:13:37.480 And he's attacking communism.

00:13:38.920 And he's talking about how the church should relate to politics and to the economic order

00:13:43.280 and to the world.

00:13:44.000 So it's really, really good stuff.

00:13:46.020 Another reason he might have chosen this name, Pope Leo XIII was the third longest-serving

00:13:50.840 pontiff ever.

00:13:52.180 Other long-serving pontiffs were Blessed Pius IX, John Paul II.

00:13:55.660 But Pope Leo served a really, really long time.

00:13:58.500 And this pope, since he's 69 years old, this pope could be pope for 20 years or more.

00:14:03.500 Who knows?

00:14:04.320 Maybe that's a sign there.

00:14:05.360 Well, I'm a relatively young man that's tying me in.

00:14:08.340 The other thing that Pope Leo XIII is really famous for, and obviously there were other Leos

00:14:12.560 in the past, I'm just focusing on the most recent Leo, because I think there's a real

00:14:15.220 connection here.

00:14:16.240 Pope Leo XIII composed the St. Michael Prayer.

00:14:19.280 Pope Leo XIII reportedly had a vision at the end of the 19th century that, and I think we

00:14:24.280 know exactly when he reportedly had this vision.

00:14:26.280 It was October 13th, 1884.

00:14:28.660 And he says he had this vision of a conversation between God and Satan, and Satan requesting

00:14:33.020 75 to 100 years to destroy the church, and God granting that to him.

00:14:37.420 And he was so shook by the vision that he wrote the St. Michael Prayer.

00:14:40.880 St. Michael Prayer was then recited after every Catholic mass for many, many years around

00:14:45.580 the world.

00:14:46.300 In traditional parishes, it's still recited after most masses.

00:14:50.380 And the prayer is, St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our defense against

00:14:53.400 the wickedness and snares of the devil.

00:14:55.000 May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the

00:14:58.220 power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world

00:15:02.480 seeking the ruin of souls.

00:15:04.320 I pray this prayer every day, sometimes multiple times a day.

00:15:07.020 A really good prayer. 0.79

00:15:07.700 A really strong masculine prayer, too, you know, cast into hell Satan and all the evil 0.98

00:15:12.380 spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls.

00:15:15.780 So, why the name?

00:15:18.960 I think, if he is kind of liberal, because there are all these old tweets.

00:15:24.160 Now, we now live in the age where the Pope has tweets.

00:15:26.700 And there are these tweets where he was kind of attacking J.D. Vance over J.D. Vance's,

00:15:32.380 speaking of the Ordo Amoris, the hierarchy of love, the Ordo Caritatis, according to St.

00:15:37.200 Thomas, you know, J.D. Vance, using that to defend the Trump administration's policies

00:15:42.960 on immigration.

00:15:44.120 Apparently, the new Pope doesn't like that, where he seems to have been critical of Trump

00:15:48.720 also.

00:15:49.820 So, there's some signs.

00:15:50.620 He was obviously very close to Francis.

00:15:52.100 He seems to be very pro-mass migration.

00:15:54.500 So, there's some signs that he's kind of liberal.

00:15:56.880 So, if he's kind of liberal, if he's kind of progressive by Catholic standards, which is

00:16:00.140 different than American standards, and we'll get to that in a second, then why the name?

00:16:03.580 Why pick the name of a Pope that conservatives love so much?

00:16:07.580 I think maybe the tie-in here is because of Catholic social teaching, which is really tough

00:16:11.940 on communism, really tough on socialism, but also critical of capitalism, also very focused

00:16:16.680 on helping the poor and the marginalized and those who are suffering.

00:16:19.640 So, maybe it's a kind of a way to unite the church.

00:16:23.220 Because one thing that the Cardinals, I think, really wanted was a unity Pope after the very

00:16:28.660 divisive papacy of Pope Francis.

00:16:30.320 Maybe that's a way of saying, okay, conservatives, you're getting your Pope Leo XIII call back.

00:16:36.080 But also, maybe you think I'm calling him back because of how based and to mystic and

00:16:41.480 into philosophy and because he was tough on communism.

00:16:44.940 But the liberals might like it too because he talks about the poor and the marginalized

00:16:49.460 and there's a real focus on Catholic social teaching, criticisms of capitalism.

00:16:52.500 Maybe it's a way of kind of bringing everyone together and you just don't know exactly what

00:16:56.620 what you're going to get.

00:16:58.860 Now, Charlie Kirk, a lot of my friends who are Protestants and Jews and a lot of people

00:17:04.240 were texting me yesterday to say, well, what do I make of this?

00:17:06.760 What am I supposed to think of the new Pope?

00:17:08.360 And so, I was texting with Charlie Kirk and we were kind of going back and forth on how

00:17:12.820 to make sense of it.

00:17:14.100 And then Charlie pulled up with Turning Point Action the Pope's voting record or the Pope's

00:17:22.500 voting registration, at least, because he's an American Pope.

00:17:24.900 He's the first American Pope.

00:17:25.820 So, we actually can go in and see how he was registered politically.

00:17:30.360 And according to Charlie in TPUSA, this Pope is a registered Republican.

00:17:35.940 So, Charlie says, you know, this is a big scoop and he's registered Republican.

00:17:38.840 He's voted in Republican primaries when he's not living abroad.

00:17:41.280 And our data show that he's a strong Republican and he's pro-life, which is good.

00:17:45.740 That's all great.

00:17:46.460 However, this gets to a point that I've been talking about since Pope Francis died, which

00:17:51.900 is that the left-right spectrum of politics does not map neatly onto an institution that

00:17:57.700 predates the left-right paradigm by almost 1,800 years.

00:18:01.580 So, you say, oh, he's a Republican.

00:18:03.240 Yeah, he should be.

00:18:05.800 You know, if you're a Catholic prelate or a priest or even a lay Catholic, you can't really

00:18:13.580 be a Democrat today because the Democrats openly cheer on the mass slaughter of babies 0.57

00:18:19.740 and the butchering of little kids according to an ideology that denies the sexual nature

00:18:24.720 that God has given us and makes a mockery of marriage, which is the image of Christ's 0.89

00:18:28.360 love for his church.

00:18:29.400 So, yeah, I hope he was a Republican.

00:18:32.600 I hope he's voted Republican.

00:18:33.520 I hope every Catholic prelate and priest is a Republican.

00:18:37.080 No matter what you think of immigration or, I don't know, some tax policy or something,

00:18:40.940 talking about pretty basic stuff, when the alternative is a party that openly celebrates,

00:18:46.240 not even just tolerates, openly celebrates the mass slaughter of infants and that mocks 1.00

00:18:52.460 sexual nature and marriage and mutilates little kids, you can't be a Democrat. 0.89

00:18:58.220 If you are a serious Catholic, you can't be all in on the Democrat party.

00:19:02.920 Okay, so again, even that just doesn't tell you exactly what this pontificate is going to

00:19:10.000 be, but we hope, you know, hope is a theological virtue and we are called to hope and there

00:19:17.000 are good signs, you know, the sign that, that, that he's chosen this name, that he's accepting

00:19:22.640 these vestments that, so we trust, I'm a Catholic.

00:19:25.840 So, you know, I, I trust that the Holy Spirit will, will stay with the Holy Mother Church.

00:19:31.820 If you're, if you're not a Catholic, then you don't think of it quite in that way, but

00:19:34.840 I'm, I'm hopeful and we're going to pray and that's what we do as Christians.

00:19:41.420 Okay.

00:19:43.060 And it ain't a democracy, man.

00:19:45.260 This ain't, this, the Catholic church, well, Hiller Bellock had a good line.

00:19:51.180 He says, I'm bound to believe that the church is divinely instituted because I'm a Catholic.

00:19:56.360 But if you're not a Catholic, one proof of her divine institution is that no other institution 0.97

00:20:01.580 conducted with such nabous imbecility would have lasted a fortnight, much less 2000 years. 0.87

00:20:07.140 So we don't, the church does not, does not, just as the church doesn't map neatly onto the 0.93

00:20:10.780 left, right paradigm, the church does not measure her, her history in weeks or years or administrations.

00:20:19.540 The church measures her history in centuries and millennia.

00:20:23.560 So that's how it goes.

00:20:25.380 That's all I have to say about the Pope for now, because there's really not much else to

00:20:29.060 know or to say.

00:20:29.740 And so we pray.

00:20:30.460 Okay.

00:20:30.740 Now turning back to the administration and legacy, President Trump has gone viral, even

00:20:37.360 amid everyone focusing on, on the Pope, because of these comments that President Trump made

00:20:43.160 about the legacy of the former transportation secretary and the former mayor of South Bend,

00:20:48.140 Indiana, former Democrat presidential candidate, Pete Buttigieg.

00:20:51.620 And when they took over Buttigieg, who has no clue, you know, he drives to work on his

00:20:58.760 bicycle with his, with his, in all fairness, with his husband on the back, which is a nice

00:21:03.080 loving relationship.

00:21:04.600 But he didn't have a clue.

00:21:07.100 This guy didn't have a clue.

00:21:09.140 And he's actually a contender for president between him and Crockett.

00:21:12.560 You can have that party.

00:21:13.640 But, uh...

00:21:15.280 This is exactly the right tone.

00:21:18.680 And this is something I really love about Trump.

00:21:21.300 He's talking about Buttigieg and what a bad job he did as transportation secretary.

00:21:25.100 And he gets a little joke in there about Pete Buttigieg's somewhat aberrant and interesting

00:21:31.120 personal life.

00:21:33.500 And, but it's, when you're, when you're married, whether you're really married or even fake

00:21:36.700 married, that's not just personal.

00:21:38.280 That's a political action.

00:21:39.160 Because it's a public action.

00:21:40.060 It's the basic unit of politics. 0.87

00:21:41.480 He says, yeah, Buttigieg was always awful, how ridiculous he drove to work on his bicycle 0.81

00:21:45.380 with, in all fairness, with his husband sitting on the back of the bicycle. 0.87

00:21:50.160 And then, you know, look, that's a loving relationship, isn't it?

00:21:52.300 Anyway.

00:21:54.000 You guys hear about this?

00:21:55.000 Get a load of this.

00:21:56.300 This is, this is my tone.

00:21:59.300 I'm not talking about substantive views.

00:22:01.560 I'm not talking about even attitude necessarily.

00:22:03.540 I love this tone, which is, we can make a little joke, okay? 0.99

00:22:08.620 Trump is not saying, Buttigieg, that damned, blasted sodomite, the purity police will take 1.00

00:22:13.920 him and throw him off a rooftop. 1.00

00:22:15.060 He's not saying that.

00:22:16.660 Nor is he, does he have this sort of liberal piety of, you know, how beautiful and brave

00:22:22.120 and stunning and beautiful the LGBT LMNOP lifestyle is.

00:22:26.420 And isn't that just so, he just makes a joke.

00:22:28.400 He goes, yeah, you know, and he probably rides to work with his husband on the back,

00:22:31.020 which isn't that great, he's got that kind of, you know, he's got that husband, isn't

00:22:34.060 that, that's a good tone.

00:22:36.840 You say, you're not, it's not totally, you know, banging your fist on the table condemning

00:22:41.480 someone, he's just saying, that's a little weird, right?

00:22:43.240 I mean, we all admit they're not really married.

00:22:45.620 It's two fellas, you can't be, a fella can't be married to a fella. 1.00

00:22:49.140 I'm not saying we got to be like really mean to them, right?

00:22:51.240 But come on, let's give me a break.

00:22:52.600 That's a little weird, isn't it?

00:22:54.220 I love that.

00:22:54.660 I like that tone.

00:22:55.480 That's a very normal tone.

00:22:57.320 Got a bit of levity to it, but it's got a little reality to it.

00:23:00.200 I, this is one of the things that's really attractive about Trump's political campaign

00:23:07.480 and Trump's political persona.

00:23:09.920 It's got so many layers to it.

00:23:12.440 Speaking of layers, Kanye West has just released a song called Heil Hitler.

00:23:17.200 Maybe that shouldn't even be surprising.

00:23:19.260 What is surprising, though, is the artistic complexity of the song, which I think a lot

00:23:23.100 of people are missing.

00:23:24.420 The Nazis who love the song are missing it.

00:23:26.260 And everyone else who, you know, doesn't love Hitler, they're missing it, too. 0.71

00:23:30.920 There's actually a lot of artistic complexity to this song.

00:23:32.940 We'll get to it in one second.

00:23:33.720 First, though, there's nothing more challenging, more profound, or more essential than being

00:23:37.640 a parent.

00:23:38.320 This Mother's Day weekend, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson unveils the trailer for Parenting, a new series

00:23:42.100 rooted in decades of clinical wisdom.

00:23:44.320 Here is the trailer exclusively on Daily Wire+.

00:23:47.680 There is nothing you'll do in life that's more challenging, difficult, and rewarding

00:23:53.100 than being a parent.

00:23:57.000 Nothing with greater highs or lower lows.

00:23:59.880 You have little kids for a very short period of time.

00:24:03.000 It is a major mistake not to notice that and not to appreciate it.

00:24:10.180 We're dealing with a pattern of misbehaviors with our son, who's three years old.

00:24:14.100 Whenever we want to leave the house, he starts running away.

00:24:16.680 We have to be places at certain times.

00:24:19.140 When a disciplinary issue arises, you need to make space to master it.

00:24:23.140 I have to not do what I thought I was going to do for ten minutes to set this right.

00:24:28.660 Our 13-year-old throws tantrums quite often when he doesn't get his way.

00:24:32.600 We spoil the heck out of him.

00:24:34.820 When you spoil a child, so to speak, you take away from them the opportunity to develop

00:24:39.400 their own competence by doing too many things for them.

00:24:41.760 The consequences of his abdication of thought is that other people think for him.

00:24:47.900 That's what will happen.

00:24:49.900 Our daughter was bullied at her school.

00:24:53.240 As this is happening, our son turned to some substance abuse.

00:24:56.460 Look for mood changes and behavioral changes, and then you can tell your kid, look, it might

00:25:03.580 be an unpleasant conversation that we have to have, but I'm not going to let you be miserable

00:25:10.400 and drift away.

00:25:17.320 Discuss the disciplinary strategies.

00:25:19.520 Discuss the rules.

00:25:20.880 Discuss what it is that you want from your child.

00:25:23.540 Talk that through so that you're the same person.

00:25:26.560 The more effective you are in laying out these disciplinary rules, the more they'll like you.

00:25:31.080 Rules consistently applied with minimal force and plenty of patience.

00:25:38.960 You don't want to let your worry destroy the pleasures of the moment.

00:25:42.040 Just because children know less about the world doesn't mean they're not paying attention 1.00

00:25:47.060 and certainly doesn't mean that they're stupid. 1.00

00:25:49.560 They're not stupid, and they're watching. 1.00

00:25:52.040 Parenting with Dr. Jordan B. Peterson premieres May 25th, only on dailywireplus.com. 0.95

00:26:06.280 My favorite comment yesterday is from MattyC24, who says, maybe the, oh, now, hold on.

00:26:10.780 I didn't pick this.

00:26:11.940 So, those are the producers who picked this comment.

00:26:13.620 We're going to see if it's a good one.

00:26:14.840 Maybe the six to eight spam calls I get from India and Pakistan, I will finally see. 0.82

00:26:19.680 So, okay, all right, that's a little bit too much of a glass-half-full way to view the brink of nuclear winter.

00:26:28.780 But, okay, but, hey, look, you're always looking for the bright side.

00:26:31.560 That's fine.

00:26:33.460 Kanye West has a new song out titled Heil Hitler, and it's going viral.

00:26:40.560 Kanye West, say what you will about him.

00:26:42.360 He's really good at getting attention.

00:26:44.420 I'm just going to play you a little bit of the song,

00:26:46.200 because I think the Nazis who really love Kanye's turn to de Fuhrer and everyone else who's condemning Kanye,

00:26:55.300 I think they're actually missing what this song is about.

00:27:02.580 If you're just listening to it, it's opening up with a bunch of black guys shirtless wearing animal masks. 0.99

00:27:06.920 Kind of dark room, dimly lit, kind of ominous sound opening up,

00:27:14.820 all standing in a formidable position.

00:27:17.020 Put a pause here.

00:27:38.820 Just notice how he's opening up.

00:27:40.920 He says, I got so much anger in me, I don't know how to take it out.

00:27:44.540 Then he talks about my nitrous, which Kanye West is reportedly addicted to nitrous,

00:27:49.200 which is a very, very serious drug that really screws up your head.

00:27:51.800 So right off the top, he's saying, I got so much anger in me, I don't know how to take it out.

00:27:56.140 I'm not acting rationally.

00:27:58.000 I'm not acting logically.

00:27:59.000 I'm just so full of wrath and anger, which are bad.

00:28:03.700 Those are vices, deadly sins.

00:28:06.740 And I'm hooked on drugs, which are poisoning my brain.

00:28:09.720 That's really screwing up with my logical thinking.

00:28:11.980 And so, and it's all because I can't get my kids back,

00:28:14.380 and I'm just totally losing my reason, and I'm just becoming a ball of wrath.

00:28:18.980 Keep going.

00:28:20.000 With all of the money and fame, I still don't get to see my children.

00:28:23.760 They don't see my Twitter, but they don't see how I be feeling.

00:28:26.560 So I became a Nazi, yeah. 0.87

00:28:28.780 I'm the villain.

00:28:32.020 They don't understand the things I don't see. 0.96

00:28:35.160 I'm a Nazi, now she's a foul hero, a foul hero. 0.99

00:28:40.080 And basically, that's the rest of the song. 0.92

00:28:41.740 And it closes out, it's actually like a Hitler speech in German at the end.

00:28:44.220 Like, Heißer, Viesch, Heißer.

00:28:45.860 But that's the lyric, the lyric of the song.

00:28:49.900 Because we understand taboos on this show, and we're a family show,

00:28:53.740 you know, we don't like to use a lot of naughty words.

00:28:56.440 I'll just say the word ninja.

00:28:57.720 I think you know what word that refers to.

00:28:59.540 So he says, they don't understand the things I say on Twitter, ninja. 0.88

00:29:04.980 All my ninjas, Nazis. 0.85

00:29:08.360 Ninja, Heil Hitler. 0.95

00:29:11.620 This is a paradox, right?

00:29:14.580 These are contradictory things. 0.95

00:29:16.720 All my ninjas, Nazis. 0.85

00:29:18.220 Now, how are the ninjas? 0.98

00:29:19.240 It refers to black fellas, by the way, if you didn't interpret what the word was. 0.83

00:29:22.900 How are ninjas, Nazis? 0.99

00:29:24.080 The Nazis view black people as subhuman. 0.99

00:29:28.900 The Nazis viewed them as untermenschen. 0.99

00:29:31.400 They're subhuman.

00:29:32.380 So how could a Nazi, how could a ninja be a Nazi?

00:29:36.400 It's not possible.

00:29:38.300 The exoteric meaning of the song is not possible.

00:29:42.460 It doesn't make any sense.

00:29:44.300 So, Kanye's either a nut, yeah, maybe,

00:29:46.580 or he's saying something else beyond the exoteric meaning.

00:29:52.320 It seems to me that the introduction to the song actually sets that up.

00:29:56.900 Because he's saying, I'm not in my right mind.

00:29:58.720 I'm not thinking logically.

00:30:00.200 I'm just full of anger and wrath and sin and vice.

00:30:03.820 And I'm the villain.

00:30:07.780 So, Heil Hitler, I'm a Nazi.

00:30:09.380 I became a Nazi. 0.87

00:30:10.280 I'm the villain. 0.73

00:30:11.500 Right there off the top.

00:30:13.920 He's not saying Hitler is good.

00:30:17.380 That's how this is going to be reported in the press.

00:30:19.460 That is how Nazis are going to take it.

00:30:21.760 And that is how the Kanye haters are going to take it.

00:30:23.760 But it's not what he's saying.

00:30:25.200 Right there off the top.

00:30:26.240 He's saying, I'm bad.

00:30:28.260 I'm doing bad things.

00:30:29.620 I'm not being smart.

00:30:30.680 I'm not being logical.

00:30:31.800 I'm not making any sense.

00:30:33.060 I'm bad.

00:30:33.760 I'm a villain. 0.97

00:30:34.600 That's why I'm a Nazi. 0.96

00:30:35.720 In other words, the Nazis are the bad guys. 0.98

00:30:38.000 And Hitler's the bad guy. 0.92

00:30:39.600 And I'm the bad guy now.

00:30:42.400 And then it goes into this pretty clever, by pop culture standards,

00:30:46.380 kind of a clever rhyme, a crazy sounding rhyme.

00:30:49.680 Twitter, Ninja, Hitler.

00:30:52.460 Wow.

00:30:53.640 And it grabs your attention because he's saying the thing you can't say.

00:30:58.240 We've been talking about how the N-word is the unutterable word.

00:31:00.020 Well, he goes to a taboo that's even more central to the culture, which is Hitler. 0.83

00:31:04.200 Like the worst guy ever, right?

00:31:05.680 Even Hitler is not Hitler because Hitler is a stand-in in modern parlance for the devil.

00:31:09.800 And the old understanding that we had of the Christian understanding,

00:31:12.760 which is there's the incarnation of absolute good and evil as a privation of the good,

00:31:16.740 is flipped on its head in secular modernity, which says there is no such thing as good.

00:31:20.720 There's no absolute good, but there is absolute evil in the person of Hitler. 0.70

00:31:23.800 Hitler is just a substitute for the devil. 0.93

00:31:25.320 It's just kind of, I won't even call it Manichaean.

00:31:27.900 It's just totally flipping religious reality on its head saying there's only absolute evil

00:31:32.100 and whatever you would call good is merely somewhat distant from absolute evil.

00:31:37.120 You can never be good.

00:31:38.400 The notion of God, Christ, the person of Christ, the Christian religion,

00:31:42.100 that's just to be mocked according to the popular culture.

00:31:44.840 The best you can hope for is not to be good.

00:31:46.760 It's not to be holier.

00:31:48.180 It's just to be less of a Nazi. 0.96

00:31:49.740 But Kanye is saying here, the Nazis are bad, and I'm bad.

00:31:56.980 I think, look, Kanye opens up by saying something that I think is true,

00:32:01.700 which is he's lost his mind because of wrath and drug addiction.

00:32:06.280 I think he's admitting that.

00:32:07.140 I think that's pretty sincere.

00:32:08.440 And that sets up the rest of the song to say, don't take this literally,

00:32:12.160 or don't take this sincerely.

00:32:13.380 I think at a deeper level, too, that the song is a commentary on popular culture and on technology.

00:32:21.440 The way he's grabbing attention here, he's grabbing everyone's attention.

00:32:24.160 The song's going super viral.

00:32:25.380 There are a zillion memes all over the internet.

00:32:26.900 I'm talking about it on this show.

00:32:27.900 A lot of podcasts are talking about it.

00:32:31.400 He's kind of pointing out where the commentary has gone.

00:32:33.980 We are so desensitized because we're plugged into ever more radical media all the time.

00:32:44.260 I mean, radical and extreme, not only in the message, though there's that,

00:32:48.980 but also in the form of the media.

00:32:52.520 We're not just reading newspapers anymore.

00:32:54.180 We're getting lights, and we're getting flickering images,

00:32:56.180 and we're not even listening on 1x anymore.

00:32:57.800 We're listening on 1.5x and 2x, and it's also extreme.

00:33:00.240 And Kanye has now said the ultimate thing you can say to get attention.

00:33:05.220 He said it on the Alex Jones Show.

00:33:06.460 I love Hitler. 0.99

00:33:07.080 And now he's done a whole song about this.

00:33:08.600 And there's nowhere to go.

00:33:11.460 You know, even you think about political commentary.

00:33:14.400 15 years ago, if someone said,

00:33:16.160 I support the Constitution, I want to cut taxes.

00:33:17.920 That was extreme.

00:33:19.940 Then five years ago, if someone said,

00:33:21.780 I don't know, I don't think a man can be a woman. 1.00

00:33:23.480 That was extreme.

00:33:24.340 Now this is all blasé stuff.

00:33:25.480 People need more.

00:33:26.220 If you are engaging with politics not to be civically engaged

00:33:31.060 and to advance the common good,

00:33:32.800 if you're just engaging in it for a dopamine hit,

00:33:34.940 as many people do,

00:33:36.560 then this is it.

00:33:38.160 Now you've reached the end of the road.

00:33:41.860 Ninjas are, my ninjas are Nazis, Heil Hitler.

00:33:44.860 That's the end of the road.

00:33:45.680 There's no more extreme thing you can possibly say.

00:33:49.760 There's no more incoherent thing you can possibly say.

00:33:53.900 There can be no coherence to this at all.

00:33:55.620 As Kanye admits off the top of the show,

00:33:57.400 he says, I'm not being coherent.

00:33:59.340 I'm just pure wrath right now.

00:34:02.080 I'm a villain.

00:34:02.780 I'm the bad guy.

00:34:03.560 I'm going to say something,

00:34:04.280 the craziest, least coherent thing you can possibly say.

00:34:06.720 And that's the end of it.

00:34:07.600 So where do you go from there?

00:34:09.900 Where does popular music go from there?

00:34:11.600 Where does Kanye go from there?

00:34:12.560 His life is in shambles.

00:34:13.820 This is what the song is about.

00:34:15.960 How do you become a good guy again?

00:34:19.480 This is the song that he says at the top,

00:34:21.820 I've reached rock bottom.

00:34:23.600 I'm a villain.

00:34:24.300 I've lost my kids.

00:34:25.440 I've lost my money.

00:34:26.520 I've lost my everything.

00:34:27.840 I'm a villain.

00:34:29.640 So then how do you become good again?

00:34:32.840 You got to give the guy a little bit of credit.

00:34:36.100 He is artistically capturing people's attention

00:34:39.520 and artistically interesting.

00:34:41.680 Saying much more than a lot of pop music does.

00:34:44.280 At this point, everyone's dopamine receptors

00:34:49.260 or everyone's kind of stimulations

00:34:51.360 could be totally blown out.

00:34:53.620 What do you say?

00:34:54.060 Okay, what if you don't want to be the villain?

00:34:57.300 I don't want to be a villain.

00:34:58.580 So then what do we do?

00:35:00.240 And oddly enough, the two news stories from today

00:35:02.440 actually kind of form a nice bookend.

00:35:04.840 You've got looking toward God

00:35:06.240 and looking toward the logos

00:35:08.280 and looking with reason toward the divine,

00:35:11.240 which, you know, grace perfects nature. 1.00

00:35:13.980 Or you can go the other way.

00:35:15.300 Which way, Western man?

00:35:16.200 You can go the other way

00:35:16.720 and just be a villain

00:35:17.360 and give up your reason

00:35:18.240 and give up virtue

00:35:19.620 and again, just plunge into drugs

00:35:21.720 and vice and wrath and Nazism. 0.65

00:35:24.740 Which way?

00:35:25.420 Which way do you want to go?

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00:35:36.300 Hey Michael, Ryan from Florida.

00:35:39.880 Yesterday's show you had a tongue-in-cheek joke

00:35:42.680 about Trump's third, fourth, and fifth term.

00:35:46.520 And you've made those jokes in the past.

00:35:48.440 But I wanted to know

00:35:49.300 how you would feel in earnest

00:35:50.720 if they actually did change the amendment

00:35:53.620 and allowed for that.

00:35:56.140 Would you legitimately be for that?

00:35:59.960 Or would you support just keeping it

00:36:03.400 at a term limit of two terms?

00:36:07.040 Thank you, buddy.

00:36:09.160 The only thing that I like

00:36:10.920 about the presidential term limit

00:36:12.240 is that it pays respect to George Washington

00:36:14.760 who only served two terms.

00:36:16.720 And Washington is the father of our country

00:36:18.260 as this political figure

00:36:19.660 who from a civic perspective,

00:36:21.560 he gets veneration.

00:36:23.140 Other than that,

00:36:23.780 I have no support for term limits.

00:36:25.340 I know this will make me unpopular

00:36:27.320 with certain branches,

00:36:28.960 especially the more libertarian branches of the right.

00:36:31.240 I'm with Reagan on this.

00:36:32.440 Reagan at the end of his second term

00:36:34.740 and afterward,

00:36:36.360 after he had left office,

00:36:38.260 campaigned to repeal the 22nd Amendment,

00:36:40.640 which is the term limits.

00:36:42.520 I'm much more on the side

00:36:43.960 of letting people decide.

00:36:45.800 There is a natural term limit.

00:36:47.980 The natural term limit

00:36:49.280 is at the ballot box.

00:36:50.840 People can throw you out if they want

00:36:51.980 or they can re-elect you if they want.

00:36:54.280 And some really good presidents,

00:36:55.760 maybe they'd give three terms to.

00:36:57.300 Plenty of presidents,

00:36:58.120 they'd give one term to.

00:37:00.220 A lot of people,

00:37:00.760 they don't want to give any terms to.

00:37:01.780 But there's always a term limit.

00:37:05.140 The question is,

00:37:05.700 how is the term limit going to be enforced?

00:37:07.420 Is it going to be enforced by the law?

00:37:08.500 Is it going to be enforced by the Constitution?

00:37:09.520 Is it going to be enforced

00:37:10.060 by the people of the ballot box?

00:37:12.240 So I have no great love

00:37:14.260 of formal term limits

00:37:16.060 because the power is going to go somewhere.

00:37:18.200 This is the other thing.

00:37:18.740 It's not that term limits

00:37:19.760 restrain the power of the government.

00:37:20.960 It just puts the power

00:37:21.640 in different places.

00:37:23.160 If you term limit a president

00:37:24.640 or a senator

00:37:25.240 or a member of Congress,

00:37:26.600 it's not that the power goes away.

00:37:28.080 It just goes somewhere else.

00:37:28.920 The power could go to the staff.

00:37:30.880 The power could go to the deep state,

00:37:32.200 the bureaucracy,

00:37:32.860 which is really what's happened.

00:37:34.420 The power could go to lobbyists.

00:37:36.340 But it's going to go somewhere.

00:37:37.820 So I just as soon

00:37:38.660 give the people

00:37:39.580 a little bit more power

00:37:40.460 to elect their representatives,

00:37:41.720 to allow them

00:37:42.780 to be the arbiters of term limits

00:37:44.520 and not an arbitrary rule.

00:37:46.340 Next question.

00:37:48.160 Hello, Michael.

00:37:50.120 My wife and I wanted your opinion

00:37:52.480 on renewing our wedding house.

00:37:54.340 Now, I know you're generally

00:37:55.960 against the idea,

00:37:57.300 but this isn't something

00:37:58.180 that we wanted to do

00:37:59.100 because our marriage

00:38:00.540 is on the rocks

00:38:01.180 or anything like that.

00:38:02.460 The reason we actually

00:38:03.180 want to do this

00:38:04.020 is our original ceremony

00:38:05.820 was not in a church

00:38:06.980 and it was with a

00:38:08.040 quote unquote female minister. 1.00

00:38:10.540 And as we've gotten

00:38:11.740 a little bit older

00:38:12.320 and a little bit wiser

00:38:13.120 and we've been listening to you

00:38:15.400 and the other hosts,

00:38:16.780 we think that maybe

00:38:18.160 we'd like to go do something

00:38:20.040 a little more traditional.

00:38:22.500 So like I said,

00:38:23.840 we would love to get

00:38:24.940 your input on that

00:38:25.860 and thank you so much.

00:38:27.560 Okay, so you're not asking

00:38:29.300 if you should have

00:38:30.820 a renewal of vows.

00:38:32.660 What you're really asking

00:38:33.840 is should you regularize

00:38:35.320 your marriage?

00:38:37.520 Should you sacramentalize

00:38:38.700 your marriage?

00:38:39.900 Make it proper

00:38:41.380 in the eyes of the church

00:38:42.320 and not just a civil marriage?

00:38:44.360 That's a different question.

00:38:45.100 Because the renewal of vows

00:38:46.820 that sometimes people do

00:38:48.500 is really, in my opinion,

00:38:50.200 just a pre-divorce.

00:38:52.040 You don't have to be

00:38:53.100 too blunt about it,

00:38:54.320 but I think it's the first right.

00:38:57.220 It's the first ceremony

00:38:58.180 in the right of divorce.

00:39:00.540 You don't need to do it.

00:39:01.420 You get married once.

00:39:02.140 You get baptized once.

00:39:03.420 We confess one baptism

00:39:04.340 for the forgiveness of sins.

00:39:05.240 You shouldn't be getting baptized 0.99

00:39:06.000 two, three, four times.

00:39:07.620 The Holy Spirit

00:39:08.240 worked the first time.

00:39:10.040 You don't need to

00:39:10.460 do it again.

00:39:11.980 It's not dependent

00:39:12.560 on your feelings.

00:39:13.200 It's not dependent

00:39:13.740 on the sanctity

00:39:14.800 of the priest

00:39:15.180 or anything like that.

00:39:15.760 It works.

00:39:16.440 Same with marriage. 0.94

00:39:17.120 Marriage once and done.

00:39:18.360 One and done, baby.

00:39:19.300 You're done.

00:39:19.640 Then what God has joined,

00:39:20.840 let no man separate.

00:39:22.320 But what you're saying

00:39:22.960 is should I

00:39:23.420 sacramentalize my marriage

00:39:26.020 and make it right

00:39:26.680 in the eyes of the church?

00:39:27.320 Yeah, you should do that.

00:39:28.420 But that's not another marriage.

00:39:29.760 That's not renewing

00:39:31.040 your vows exactly.

00:39:33.020 And frankly,

00:39:33.920 you could go do that

00:39:34.740 in a nice private ceremony

00:39:36.080 with a priest,

00:39:37.360 you know,

00:39:37.600 or sign some papers,

00:39:38.700 basically get a blessing.

00:39:39.660 That's what I would do.

00:39:40.720 I wouldn't go out

00:39:41.420 and have another wedding.

00:39:42.540 And you might say, 0.99

00:39:43.020 well, darn, you know, 0.99

00:39:43.740 we just did this thing 0.99

00:39:44.980 where we went

00:39:46.300 and got married

00:39:47.200 by justice of the peace

00:39:48.320 or we did it

00:39:48.960 with an officiant,

00:39:50.440 but it wasn't,

00:39:51.320 it was like in a barn.

00:39:52.780 It wasn't in a church.

00:39:53.740 We want to do

00:39:54.840 the big thing again.

00:39:55.720 We wish we had done

00:39:56.300 it differently.

00:39:56.860 Yeah, we all wish

00:39:57.500 we'd done things differently.

00:39:58.760 But you're married.

00:39:59.540 You have the marriage.

00:40:00.180 That's what really counts.

00:40:01.620 And now you go

00:40:02.180 and you can have it

00:40:03.820 raised up to the level

00:40:05.780 of a sacramental marriage.

00:40:06.760 That's good.

00:40:07.800 But don't redo it.

00:40:09.120 You know, just like,

00:40:09.920 you know, say,

00:40:10.300 well, I wasn't a good student

00:40:11.840 in college,

00:40:13.000 but I was a better student

00:40:13.880 as a master's student.

00:40:15.180 I wish I could have gotten

00:40:16.180 my bachelor's from a better school.

00:40:17.560 Maybe I'll go back

00:40:18.020 and get another bachelor's.

00:40:18.800 No, don't.

00:40:20.240 You can go on.

00:40:21.180 Sorry, you're married.

00:40:21.800 You got the real thing.

00:40:23.060 Now go and make it

00:40:24.140 right in the eyes of the church.

00:40:25.880 That's good,

00:40:26.400 but you don't need to redo it.

00:40:28.720 You just can have

00:40:29.100 a bunch of kids.

00:40:30.020 That's what you should do.

00:40:31.360 Next question.

00:40:31.900 Hi, Michael.

00:40:33.740 A point about deportations

00:40:35.020 that I don't ever hear.

00:40:36.660 If we deport a person,

00:40:37.800 that doesn't necessarily mean

00:40:39.020 they're going to prison.

00:40:40.040 So the fact that a guy

00:40:40.880 gets deported

00:40:41.440 and then ends up in prison

00:40:42.700 in his home country

00:40:43.460 means he has a reason

00:40:44.640 to be in prison there.

00:40:46.480 If we deport them,

00:40:47.460 we're just sending them

00:40:48.120 to their home country

00:40:49.040 free as a bird

00:40:49.840 in their own country.

00:40:51.000 I don't understand

00:40:51.700 why people think

00:40:52.420 we put him in prison.

00:40:53.460 All we did was send him home.

00:40:54.820 He deserved to be in prison

00:40:55.700 at his home.

00:40:56.360 Why is this never talked about?

00:40:58.380 Yeah, that's a good point,

00:40:59.740 and that's fair enough

00:41:00.880 on a lot of deportations.

00:41:03.120 You know,

00:41:03.480 even if we wanted to say,

00:41:04.940 let that deported illegal alien 0.99

00:41:08.080 out of jail in Guatemala.

00:41:10.300 He said,

00:41:10.440 well, we don't run Guatemala.

00:41:11.440 Guatemala is its own country.

00:41:12.400 If the guy's wanted

00:41:12.880 for a crime in Guatemala,

00:41:13.880 he's going to sit in the jail.

00:41:15.580 However,

00:41:16.440 we did cut a deal

00:41:17.340 with Nayib Bukele,

00:41:18.740 the president of El Salvador,

00:41:20.620 to take some of our criminals.

00:41:22.040 I mean,

00:41:22.160 these people have committed crimes

00:41:23.340 in America.

00:41:24.780 And so they get their due process.

00:41:27.040 They're processed in America

00:41:28.260 and then we send them

00:41:28.940 to prisons,

00:41:29.940 at least one prison

00:41:30.740 in El Salvador.

00:41:32.060 So there we are,

00:41:32.920 kind of sending them to prison.

00:41:34.320 But, you know,

00:41:35.640 presumably they deserve it

00:41:36.740 because they've been committing

00:41:37.880 a bunch of crimes.

00:41:38.560 So when you commit crimes,

00:41:39.380 you go to prison.

00:41:40.000 Next one.

00:41:41.160 We all know how the left

00:41:42.660 has been ruining the arts

00:41:44.240 in the West for many years.

00:41:46.520 We all know how they've sidelined

00:41:48.160 Shakespeare in favor

00:41:49.240 of slam poetry,

00:41:50.320 Beethoven in favor of Beyonce,

00:41:52.400 and Michelangelo

00:41:53.200 in favor of Marcel Duchamp.

00:41:55.220 But I think we should be cautious

00:41:56.640 about the conservative response

00:41:58.460 now that the ball is in our court.

00:42:00.560 With Trump at the helm

00:42:01.960 in the Kennedy Center,

00:42:03.940 Dolly Parton is heralding

00:42:05.400 what conservatives are calling

00:42:06.660 a golden age of the arts.

00:42:08.800 Personally,

00:42:09.360 I don't think we can call it that

00:42:10.720 until the primacy

00:42:11.700 of the Western canon

00:42:12.660 has been restored.

00:42:14.120 And I'm skeptical

00:42:15.060 that right-wing populists

00:42:16.340 are the ones to do it.

00:42:18.180 I've been a conservative

00:42:19.200 and a musician my entire life.

00:42:20.980 And yes,

00:42:21.400 my artistic peers

00:42:22.180 don't seem to think clearly

00:42:23.320 on political issues.

00:42:25.440 Conversely, however,

00:42:26.220 my conservative friends

00:42:27.180 don't seem to understand art.

00:42:28.760 And a lot of people don't,

00:42:29.740 I know.

00:42:30.100 But I think the solution

00:42:31.160 to restoring the arts

00:42:32.200 is to make the Western canon

00:42:33.820 and its aspects

00:42:34.700 more popular

00:42:35.860 rather than making populism

00:42:37.660 more canonical.

00:42:38.820 Your thoughts?

00:42:39.920 Yeah, there's a lot to that.

00:42:41.160 We don't need to all be stuffy nerds,

00:42:42.620 you know,

00:42:42.840 and just only listening to Bach.

00:42:44.500 But maybe you should be

00:42:45.220 because it's a lot better for you.

00:42:46.400 Because as Plato tells us,

00:42:48.020 music,

00:42:48.860 more than any other art form,

00:42:51.700 cuts past the reason

00:42:53.100 to the soul

00:42:53.920 and it stirs the soul.

00:42:55.180 This is my fear

00:42:56.140 with Kanye's Hitler song.

00:42:57.880 My fear with that is,

00:42:59.780 whether Kanye knows it or not,

00:43:01.120 the song has an ironic message.

00:43:04.240 The message of the song 0.97

00:43:05.340 is the Nazis are bad. 0.64

00:43:07.600 But the song, 0.92

00:43:09.140 because music cuts

00:43:10.400 past the reason

00:43:11.320 to the soul,

00:43:13.300 to the more sensitive parts,

00:43:15.200 I fear some people

00:43:16.960 will just interpret it

00:43:17.640 and hear like,

00:43:17.980 oh, Hitler, 0.92

00:43:18.500 Heil Hitler, 0.98

00:43:19.000 that's good,

00:43:19.420 that's a nice sounding song,

00:43:20.600 and okay,

00:43:21.080 I like Hitler. 1.00

00:43:21.640 They're not thinking

00:43:22.880 about it consciously,

00:43:23.580 so they'd miss

00:43:24.200 the real meaning of the song

00:43:26.140 and they would interpret it

00:43:27.520 in exactly the opposite way.

00:43:29.080 So that's a danger,

00:43:30.100 and there is a danger

00:43:30.740 to all art.

00:43:31.980 And I think,

00:43:33.080 you know,

00:43:33.320 the libs and the libertarians

00:43:34.520 would say,

00:43:34.920 well,

00:43:35.120 just let it all out there, man.

00:43:36.460 The answer to bad speech

00:43:37.300 is more speech,

00:43:37.920 but I don't think that's true.

00:43:38.920 I think standards are good.

00:43:40.300 So I'm with you.

00:43:41.960 We should elevate

00:43:43.360 the kind of art

00:43:45.400 and the culture,

00:43:46.040 but we have to do it

00:43:46.580 in a prudential way

00:43:47.620 where you're not just

00:43:48.540 telling a bunch of people

00:43:49.340 that they have to listen

00:43:50.300 to really slow music

00:43:51.380 all at once

00:43:51.860 and they don't really know

00:43:52.600 what to make of that.

00:43:54.340 But a culture that listens

00:43:56.000 to gangster rap

00:43:56.900 and a culture that listens

00:43:59.340 to Bach

00:43:59.780 will be very different cultures.

00:44:01.220 And the culture that listens

00:44:02.000 to Bach

00:44:02.400 is going to be better

00:44:03.340 and more reasonable

00:44:04.780 and almost certainly

00:44:06.680 more virtuous.

00:44:07.560 And the culture that listens

00:44:08.540 to gangster rap

00:44:09.260 is going to be brutish

00:44:10.280 because that music,

00:44:12.400 the kind of percussive,

00:44:13.760 you know,

00:44:13.960 especially if the lyrics

00:44:14.920 are really nasty,

00:44:15.640 that's going to just form

00:44:18.180 your desires

00:44:20.220 and your appetites

00:44:20.920 and your habits

00:44:21.360 in a way that's not

00:44:22.000 going to be good.

00:44:22.640 So, you know,

00:44:23.100 I agree.

00:44:23.880 We should elevate.

00:44:24.960 I love Dolly.

00:44:25.760 No knock on Dolly Parton.

00:44:27.040 You might be knocking Dolly,

00:44:28.120 but Dolly, you know, 1.00

00:44:29.040 she's got some bops. 1.00

00:44:30.240 But yes,

00:44:30.660 we need to elevate the music,

00:44:31.820 but we have to do so

00:44:32.520 in a way that brings

00:44:34.120 people along with it.

00:44:35.560 If all of a sudden

00:44:36.260 we just put on our monocles

00:44:37.240 and say,

00:44:37.540 well, you know,

00:44:38.000 you're going to listen to

00:44:38.920 Gustav Mahler or nothing,

00:44:41.340 you know,

00:44:41.540 then you're going to just

00:44:42.580 totally lose the common sense

00:44:44.140 and no one's going

00:44:44.540 to listen to you anyway.

00:44:45.640 And they're not going

00:44:46.540 to listen to Gustav Mahler.

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Ep. 1732 - Pope Leo XIV Elected： Everything You Need to Know

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