The Michael Knowles Show - May 22, 2025


Ep. 1740 - BREAKING： ＂Free Palestine!＂ Yelled After DC Tragedy

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persecution of white people in South Africa Free Palestine movement privacy vs propriety black T-shirt
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Michael Knowles
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Jeremiah Johnston Maria
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Shroud Trump James Comey Armra Colostrum Cyril Ramaphosa Greta Thunberg Bernie Sanders Good Ranchers Davies John Stuart Mill Christopher Columbus Emmanuel Macron Hillary Clinton Jeremy Bentham John Cathedral Carlo Acutis Text Knolls Michael Yan Joe Biden Giga Chad and 11 more
Ep. 1739 - Rep. Nancy Mace BARES ALL In Congress Ep. 1741 - Kanye West Gives Up Antisemitism

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In this episode of the Michael Knowles Show, host Michael Kinsley is joined by Jeremiah Johnston, an expert on the Shroud of Turin. They talk about the Shroud, and how it relates to white farmers in South Africa.

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00:00:45.820 A couple weeks ago, the Trump administration announced that it would accept white farmers from South Africa
00:00:51.420 as refugees fleeing rape and murder and overt persecution by their own government.
00:00:58.240 The media, of course, immediately denied that any such persecution was happening.
00:01:04.400 So yesterday, President Trump treated both the president of South Africa and, more importantly, the media
00:01:10.560 to a private screening of public calls to genocide the whites all in the Oval Office.
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00:03:24.480 This performance yesterday in the Oval Office,
00:03:27.140 even by the standards of a great showman like Trump, was really top notch.
00:03:33.320 Trump is sitting there with Cyril Ramaphosa, the president of South Africa.
00:03:37.820 This is as the media have been denying that there's any persecution of white farmers in South Africa. 0.94
00:03:42.860 This is as President Ramaphosa is calling the white refugees from South Africa cowards as well.
00:03:49.340 Everyone's downplaying the issue. 0.84
00:03:51.520 Trump's got not only the president there, but also all these reporters.
00:03:56.400 And he says, hey, dim the lights, roll the tape.
00:03:59.840 Look at the president.
00:04:06.900 Ramaphosa, he's there, he just kind of smirks.
00:04:10.300 Kind of nods a little. 1.00
00:04:11.520 Oh yeah, shoot to kill, shoot the bower, kill the farmer. 1.00
00:04:15.020 Laugh? He laughs. 1.00
00:04:16.340 He's laughing at kill the farmer, kill the bower. 1.00
00:04:18.140 The president announced that it would be accepting a Qatari jet to be used as Air Force One. 0.89
00:04:22.380 What are you talking about?
00:04:25.200 What are you talking about?
00:04:27.020 You know, you to get out of here.
00:04:29.640 What does this have to do with the Qatari jet?
00:04:32.120 They're giving the United States Air Force a jet, okay?
00:04:35.720 And it's a great thing.
00:04:37.060 We're talking about a lot of other things.
00:04:39.360 It's NBC trying to get off the subject of what you just saw.
00:04:42.300 You are a real, you know, you're a terrible reporter.
00:04:45.400 Look at this. 0.98
00:04:46.380 White South African couples say that they were attacked violently.
00:04:50.780 Why don't you go and see for yourself if it is a big deal?
00:04:53.900 Well, I could do that.
00:04:54.940 Look, here's burial sites all over the place.
00:04:57.280 These are all white farmers that are being buried. 0.51
00:04:59.720 And he asks about a jet that was given.
00:05:02.900 You ought to be ashamed of me.
00:05:04.620 I'm sorry, I don't have a plane to give you.
00:05:07.160 I wish you did.
00:05:08.180 What an amazing.
00:05:12.300 Amazing performance.
00:05:13.940 This performance was a microcosm of everything you've seen on the South African Afrikaner refugee issue over the past, I was going to say several weeks, really several years or more at this point. 0.98
00:05:25.000 We say, hey, the white farmers in South Africa are being targeted and raped and murdered, not only by street criminals, but also by some of the biggest political leaders in their country who go to rallies, ANC rallies or economic freedom fighter rallies and say, shoot to kill, kill the farmer, kill the boar, shoot, shoot, shoot. 0.95
00:05:46.540 And, you know, that seems really bad, don't you think? 0.99
00:05:49.360 And everyone says, that's not happening.
00:05:52.300 That's not happening.
00:05:53.160 Forget about it.
00:05:53.780 That's not real.
00:05:54.400 So Trump forces them all to watch it.
00:05:56.160 And what do they do?
00:05:56.980 Immediately, the reporter says, oh, we can't talk about that.
00:05:59.500 We can't talk about whites being persecuted in South Africa.
00:06:01.820 What about the Qatari jet?
00:06:05.320 Qatari jet?
00:06:06.140 What are you talking about?
00:06:08.140 Forget about that.
00:06:09.040 Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
00:06:10.600 What about you got a good deal on an airplane for the Air Force from Qatar?
00:06:16.260 Can you please talk about that?
00:06:17.380 Please talk about anything other than the persecution of white people in South Africa.
00:06:21.940 And Trump just totally knocks him down.
00:06:23.680 Yeah, whatever.
00:06:24.820 You're a joke reporter.
00:06:26.060 I'm going to keep talking about this.
00:06:27.420 Then he starts pulling up all the news articles.
00:06:30.420 Because occasionally, maybe not with the TV news, but occasionally you get a report out.
00:06:35.320 Look, look at this report.
00:06:36.560 Look at this report.
00:06:37.320 And all the establishment media journalists in the room, they say, no, no, stop.
00:06:41.060 Stop.
00:06:41.340 One person yells out, you should, if you care about this issue, you should go over there.
00:06:45.040 We shouldn't talk about this now.
00:06:46.000 You should just go over there and see it yourself.
00:06:47.660 And he goes, yeah, I suppose I could.
00:06:48.800 But all right, what about this report?
00:06:49.880 What about this report?
00:06:50.520 What about this report? 1.00
00:06:52.180 And then finally, the president of South Africa himself goes back to the same stupid line 1.00
00:06:56.880 that the joke reporter had used. 0.97
00:06:59.720 He goes, well, I am sorry that I do not have an airplane for you.
00:07:03.100 And Trump brushes that one off too.
00:07:04.580 He goes, yep, well, you should have.
00:07:05.580 If you had one, I would have taken it.
00:07:06.640 Anyway, let's keep talking about the real issue that all you people want to deny.
00:07:10.580 That is undeniable now, because I have forced you to watch it on the biggest stage on earth.
00:07:16.620 That is the Oval Office.
00:07:20.360 Everyone's talking about how Trump totally destroyed the president of South Africa with
00:07:23.480 facts and logic.
00:07:24.480 That, what Trump did yesterday, was not primarily an attack on the president of South Africa.
00:07:30.140 It was primarily an attack on the media. 0.97
00:07:33.200 Because the media have revealed themselves to be liars, to be corrupt, to be dishonest, 0.99
00:07:39.680 to be awful propagandists. 0.99
00:07:41.380 And so Trump had to become the media.
00:07:43.160 People are knocking Trump because he has this media company,
00:07:44.960 the Trump Media and Technology Group.
00:07:47.080 Why did he have to create that company?
00:07:49.240 Because the media and big tech platforms kicked Trump off.
00:07:53.600 And so between his first term and his second term, he said, well, I guess I'm just,
00:07:56.600 I'm going to be the media now.
00:07:59.140 Look at me, look at me, look at me.
00:08:01.240 I am the media now.
00:08:02.460 We are the media now.
00:08:04.140 That's what he said.
00:08:06.160 And so while all of these credentialed genius journalists denied the reality that was happening
00:08:11.560 in front of our faces, Trump said, okay, well, I'm going to get to the biggest stage in the 0.72
00:08:16.200 world and I'm going to show everyone that we're right and you people are liars. 0.85
00:08:19.260 Absolutely right.
00:08:20.280 Now, speaking of death and killing, really awful story out of Washington, D.C. last night,
00:08:25.040 which is that this young Jewish couple was attending a Jewish event, the American Jewish
00:08:31.320 Committee Gala, and they were murdered as they were leaving the event.
00:08:36.360 They were shot by what appears to be a single suspect.
00:08:41.020 And what was that suspect chanting as he murdered them?
00:08:45.320 God, God.
00:08:46.900 Hey.
00:08:52.000 No, no, no.
00:08:53.720 No, no.
00:08:54.260 No, no, no.
00:08:56.380 Free, free Palestine.
00:08:58.400 Come on.
00:08:58.920 And free, free Palestine.
00:09:01.660 Come on.
00:09:02.540 Come on.
00:09:03.380 Free, free Palestine.
00:09:05.540 Come on.
00:09:06.540 Come on.
00:09:07.020 Come on.
00:09:08.720 There it is.
00:09:10.780 There is the free Palestine movement in America.
00:09:14.940 This is one, you know, I often, I joke, I say, I hate to say I told you so, but I really
00:09:18.760 secretly like to say I told you so.
00:09:20.040 This is one instance where I sincerely hate to say I told you so.
00:09:25.080 I said on the show yesterday or the day before, the clip went viral, that I just can't really
00:09:30.140 get on board with the free Palestine stuff.
00:09:32.800 It, that I've tried, I've got an open mind, you know, I'm not exactly all that tied to the state of Israel.
00:09:38.960 I don't really care.
00:09:39.680 I don't really believe in the historical or religious arguments for Zionism as an ideology.
00:09:45.800 My broad support of the state of Israel is much more prudential and practical, and it's not really all that ideological.
00:09:52.600 But I said, I've tried every way from Sunday to, to make a case for the free Palestine movement, and it just, just doesn't seem coherent to me.
00:10:03.580 I just don't really see how you can make an argument that the state of Israel was not justified in going to war against Gaza, and even continuing that war because of the hostage situation.
00:10:13.020 And I can't really see how you make an argument.
00:10:15.480 If you believe in the principle of the Westphalian system of nation states, generally, I don't see how you can really make an argument against the existence of the state of Israel, which is, I think, the end of all the free Palestine stuff. 0.98
00:10:24.880 Because that's what the phrase means, free Palestine from the river to the sea, obliterate the state of Israel and get the Jews out of the land. 0.99
00:10:29.720 So I just don't, I just couldn't make a coherent case for it.
00:10:34.800 There's another aspect, though, which I have talked about on this show over the years, but this really drives the point home.
00:10:40.700 So, politics involves coalitions.
00:10:45.920 You need different groups of people who are not going to agree on everything, who don't totally job together, to come together in a coalition to do something.
00:10:53.100 And sometimes coalitions make sense, and sometimes they don't make sense.
00:10:59.280 And I've tried as best I can to figure out how the conservatives could have a common cause with the free, free Palestine types. 0.58
00:11:07.800 And it just doesn't really work.
00:11:10.460 Because you could say, all right, Trump comes in and he changes the political coalition.
00:11:15.840 So he brings in a lot of blue-collar workers.
00:11:19.360 Well, I can be in coalition with blue-collar workers.
00:11:22.400 I already have great sympathy with and common cause with blue-collar workers.
00:11:28.080 So that's an easy coalition.
00:11:29.900 How about the Maha moms, you know, the crunchy granola moms who Trump brought into the coalition? 1.00
00:11:34.820 Yeah, that's fine.
00:11:36.720 I can have common cause with them.
00:11:38.140 They're a little kooky sometimes, but that's okay.
00:11:40.400 My wife got rid of the seed oils in our home.
00:11:42.080 That's okay.
00:11:42.740 It kind of makes sense.
00:11:44.640 It's not, at least it's not totally discordant. 0.84
00:11:46.480 When it comes to the free, free Palestine people, that movement is led by frothing lunatic leftists 0.99
00:11:54.300 who are inclined toward violence, like the guy who shot that Jewish couple last night. 0.93
00:11:59.180 That movement is led by Greta Thunberg and Keffia-wearing left-wing nutjobs at Columbia University 0.92
00:12:08.260 and Islamists.
00:12:10.180 It's basically the most sensible part of that coalition are the Islamists, okay? 1.00
00:12:13.980 So it just doesn't really make sense.
00:12:18.060 And these people, like political leftists broadly, are a little too inclined toward violence
00:12:23.440 for my liking.
00:12:24.920 And it just, I just don't, I can be in a coalition with people I disagree with.
00:12:29.480 I can't go all the way to being in a coalition with Greta Thunberg.
00:12:32.740 Okay, that's not going to work.
00:12:35.260 It's not, I don't want the baggage that comes with that coalition.
00:12:38.120 I don't want the ideology behind that coalition doesn't make sense.
00:12:41.480 It just doesn't, doesn't really work, guys.
00:12:45.760 And then when you see the, the apotheosis of that movement, which is this leftist unmoored
00:12:52.440 from proper morality, coming out and murdering a couple, a couple of civilians for attending
00:12:59.440 a gala, you just say, oh, okay, this is, I want nothing to do with this.
00:13:04.000 I want absolutely nothing to do with this.
00:13:05.780 As I've said from the beginning, the intractable problem about the Israel-Palestine conflict
00:13:10.700 is that the rational desire for both sides is at least the ethnic cleansing of the other.
00:13:17.900 Not necessarily genocide, but people think that those two things are the same, but they're
00:13:22.960 actually not.
00:13:23.520 Ethnic cleansing can just refer to the removal of people from an area.
00:13:26.060 And it's, it's clear from the Israeli perspective, you would say, okay, well, Gaza has proven 0.98
00:13:32.160 itself to be an unacceptable security risk on its borders.
00:13:34.480 So they can't tolerate the status quo, which is a territory governed by Hamas. 0.89
00:13:38.640 That's totally unacceptable.
00:13:40.160 Any nation state would say that.
00:13:42.060 And then from the Palestinian perspective, they, they are open in their calls really for
00:13:45.980 genocide, which is from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
00:13:49.160 I don't think they're just talking about moving the Jews out of there. 1.00
00:13:51.580 I think they're talking about killing them all. 0.99
00:13:53.320 So you're, you're in this intractable problem. 0.87
00:13:55.720 I'm not denying the complexity of that problem or the historical complexity of not only Zionism,
00:14:01.640 but going back millennia.
00:14:05.740 But are you on the same side as the free, free Palestine guy? 0.65
00:14:08.440 I'm not, I'm not.
00:14:09.740 Sorry, I'm out.
00:14:11.520 Not on the same side as Greta, not on the same side as Columbia grad students, not on
00:14:14.920 the same side as that murderer in DC.
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00:15:22.380 More death.
00:15:23.680 Really, this is kind of a depressing show today, isn't it?
00:15:25.520 Hopefully, well, this doesn't involve direct death.
00:15:28.240 This involves potentially a call to murder.
00:15:31.800 That would be from James Comey, former FBI director, who posted a picture from the beach.
00:15:37.240 And it was little seashells and stones or something like that.
00:15:39.740 And it says 8647.
00:15:42.240 8-6-4-7.
00:15:44.600 What does that mean?
00:15:46.860 Comey just writes, cool shell formation on my beach walk.
00:15:50.460 Cool shell.
00:15:50.860 Hey, cool clock, Ahmed.
00:15:52.980 Similar meaning.
00:15:53.680 86 means to get rid of something.
00:15:56.420 And people have an outcry right now against James Comey.
00:15:58.880 And they say, well, he's talking about murdering Trump.
00:16:02.000 And then Comey responds. 0.77
00:16:03.020 He says, I don't think of it as murder necessarily.
00:16:05.780 You know, you can 86 a dinner order.
00:16:08.700 You can 86 an employee.
00:16:10.240 It doesn't necessarily mean murder.
00:16:11.740 Here is Comey defending himself.
00:16:14.520 Is this Instagram?
00:16:16.440 Instagram, yeah.
00:16:16.840 You grammed this.
00:16:17.960 You were walking on the beach.
00:16:19.040 What happened?
00:16:19.780 You were walking on the beach.
00:16:21.080 And you saw this on the beach?
00:16:22.480 Yeah, my wife and I, Patrice, were walking on the beach and saw those numbers in shells on the beach.
00:16:27.560 You didn't do this.
00:16:28.200 Somebody else did this.
00:16:29.000 Yeah, somebody else did it.
00:16:29.860 We were on a walk preparing for this week.
00:16:32.080 Right.
00:16:32.220 The rollout of my book.
00:16:33.260 Yep.
00:16:33.480 She looked at it and said, why'd someone put their address in the sand?
00:16:36.480 All right.
00:16:37.760 And then we stood at it, looked at it, trying to figure out what it was.
00:16:40.960 And she'd long been a server in restaurants.
00:16:42.980 And she said, you know what I think it is?
00:16:44.280 Yeah.
00:16:44.760 I think it's a reference to restaurants when you would 86 something in a restaurant.
00:16:48.240 Right.
00:16:48.420 It's off the menu.
00:16:49.180 Yeah.
00:16:49.600 I said, no, I remember when I was a kid, you'd say 86 to get out of a place.
00:16:53.280 This place stinks.
00:16:54.060 Let's 86 it. 0.99
00:16:54.800 I was a bartender.
00:16:55.760 You would 86 a customer if they were getting drunk.
00:16:57.880 Like, that's 86.
00:16:59.340 Like, give them a low proof alcohol or something like that.
00:17:01.920 And so I said, I think it's a clever political message.
00:17:05.420 And she said, you should take a picture of it.
00:17:07.380 I said, sure.
00:17:08.200 And then she said, you should Instagram that.
00:17:10.000 And boom. 0.96
00:17:13.120 This guy, he won't even own it.
00:17:15.560 He says, my wife's fault.
00:17:16.820 Blame my wife. 1.00
00:17:17.660 Give me a break.
00:17:19.300 Look, I'll be the one conservative out there who won't totally dogpile on James Comey.
00:17:25.740 Because I actually think there can be an innocent interpretation of 86.
00:17:30.000 You could use the phrase 86 in a way that does not involve killing.
00:17:34.360 Okay. 0.57
00:17:34.740 And James Comey is a weirdo with artistic pretensions.
00:17:37.300 Do you remember?
00:17:37.860 He posted, after the Mueller report came out during the first Trump term, and Trump didn't
00:17:43.420 go to the gulags, Comey was so upset.
00:17:45.780 He posted a picture of himself in a forest looking up at trees.
00:17:49.640 And it said so many questions.
00:17:51.280 I thought, what are you?
00:17:52.900 Are you a Columbia graduate student?
00:17:54.280 Are you one of these people with artistic pretensions?
00:17:56.540 So, sure, Comey could have had an innocent motive here.
00:18:03.360 But you need to have the context of President Trump having almost been murdered twice.
00:18:08.720 One time with a bullet hitting his ear, coming within, what, one twentieth of an inch of blowing 0.91
00:18:13.220 his brains out.
00:18:13.860 Don't you think in that context, you maybe shouldn't put out the message that could easily 0.99
00:18:21.680 be interpreted to be a call to murder the president?
00:18:26.160 Especially as the leaders of your political party, up to and including Joe Biden, repeatedly
00:18:33.220 justify the assassination of Trump by saying that he poses an existential threat to the country. 1.00
00:18:37.860 Within that context, either James Comey is the dumbest person, dumb as the rocks that 1.00
00:18:44.380 he posted on his Instagram, or he understood how this could be interpreted and just didn't 1.00
00:18:50.700 care.
00:18:51.400 I don't know.
00:18:51.920 I'll let you decide which is the more charitable interpretation.
00:18:55.820 Okay, one last story on death.
00:18:57.920 We do one more on death.
00:18:59.060 I know we've done death for 15 minutes, but one last, it's a slightly different story on
00:19:03.400 death.
00:19:04.260 Another leftist terrorist came out, I talked about him on the show a week or two ago. 0.65
00:19:09.680 He burned down an IVF clinic.
00:19:13.240 And you'd think, because a lot of the serious criticisms of IVF come from the right, you'd
00:19:17.840 say, oh no, is he a right-winger?
00:19:19.000 Is he a pro-lifer?
00:19:19.580 But no, pro-lifers and right-wingers just generally don't behave like that.
00:19:22.480 The left is much more inclined to behave in this violent, unruly way, which is in part
00:19:26.180 why we can't make common cause with them in coalitions.
00:19:28.520 But the guy was on the left.
00:19:30.360 He wasn't a pro-lifer at all.
00:19:31.820 He was a pro-mortalist.
00:19:35.240 This from the Telegraph, they've got a pretty good expose on this guy, says, he appeared
00:19:42.220 to subscribe to an ideology that humans should cease to exist to prevent future suffering
00:19:46.840 and that having children is fundamentally immoral because they could not consent to being born.
00:19:53.480 So this is a radical example of an ideology that is common among liberals.
00:20:01.020 The notion that humans could cease to exist.
00:20:07.620 We might call for humans to cease to exist in order to prevent future suffering.
00:20:11.280 The idea that the goodness of life is just measured by maximizing the pleasure that it
00:20:17.080 brings and minimizing the suffering that it brings for the greatest number of people.
00:20:21.000 That's just a form of utilitarianism developed by Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill, very,
00:20:26.320 very mainstream liberal philosophers.
00:20:28.400 The notion that having children is fundamentally immoral because they can't consent to being
00:20:31.720 born.
00:20:32.100 Therefore, the idea that consent is the highest, if not the sole moral criterion, that is at
00:20:38.380 the heart of liberalism.
00:20:39.660 Liberalism, which diminishes the role of virtue, which diminishes the role of morality, and
00:20:45.720 simply places consent at the highest peak.
00:20:51.880 Consent predicated on a dubious definition of liberty that suggests that liberty is neutrality
00:20:57.940 in choosing rather than willing predicated on knowledge.
00:21:02.640 It sounds like a little bit of a word salad if you're not familiar with these philosophical debates,
00:21:06.680 but the liberal conception of liberty, meaning just being able to pick whatever you want,
00:21:11.400 rather than forming a goodwill and intellect so that you can do what you ought to do,
00:21:16.780 which is what the smart statesmen and political thinkers in our civilization have understood
00:21:22.380 liberty to be.
00:21:24.040 This is mainstream liberalism through and through taken to its logical conclusion.
00:21:29.060 One last line from The Telegraph says,
00:21:30.540 it primarily promotes suicide, this ideology, rather than terrorist attacks among its adherents,
00:21:36.920 adding that philosophy itself is dangerous because it promotes the devaluation of life.
00:21:42.060 So similar ideologies to this have cropped up over time.
00:21:45.320 I don't mean to just place the blame solely at the feet of liberalism that has existed for
00:21:49.340 about 300 years.
00:21:50.480 There was an ideology, a religious movement in the 12th and 13th centuries, and up to the
00:21:56.680 14th century, really, called Catharism or Albigensianism, and it was this heresy that
00:22:03.020 spun off of Christianity, which said that life is bad, basically.
00:22:07.700 This life is bad, the world is bad, the body is bad, and so it discouraged marriage, 0.87
00:22:13.740 it promoted suicide, it was a death cult, and it would have destroyed Europe had the Catholic 1.00
00:22:18.900 Church not led a crusade against the Albigensians and gotten rid of them properly.
00:22:22.580 So these kinds of death cults, these kinds of ideologies crop up a lot over time.
00:22:29.920 We're in one of those now.
00:22:31.960 We're in one of those now.
00:22:33.220 Because even, you see the headline there, this ideology promotes the devaluation of life.
00:22:41.140 Well, if the philosophy that undergirds it is utilitarianism, that's just kind of the
00:22:47.660 basic liberal philosophy now, promotes the devaluation of life.
00:22:52.780 Oh, you mean like abortion?
00:22:55.960 Would you say abortion?
00:22:57.480 Because abortion says life is less important than the choice of consenting adults.
00:23:03.520 Would you say that promotes the devaluation of life?
00:23:05.500 How about contraception?
00:23:06.780 The premise of which is that life is a bad thing, a thing to be avoided.
00:23:11.000 How about euthanasia, so-called euthanasia?
00:23:14.120 It's just suicide at the end of your life.
00:23:15.740 Well, suicide is always at the end of your life.
00:23:17.860 It's suicide primarily for older people or people who are suffering, people who are sick. 0.97
00:23:21.500 But we all suffer.
00:23:22.320 We all get sick.
00:23:22.960 We all age.
00:23:24.820 Wouldn't you say that that promotes the devaluation of life?
00:23:29.620 There really does not appear to me to be much of a difference between the pro-mortalist
00:23:35.220 who blew up that IVF clinic and the mainstream liberal philosophy.
00:23:39.580 It's just that this guy followed that philosophy to its logical conclusion.
00:23:42.560 Whatever you're thinking, whatever I'm saying, we're going to take a pause for a second so
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00:24:55.040 Speaking of IVF, a lady has just gone viral on Instagram for speaking out about the perils of conceiving a child through donor sperm.
00:25:07.200 This lady, I guess, is a lesbian. 1.00
00:25:08.940 She posts a picture of herself and another lady, and they have two little kids. 0.75
00:25:12.900 And she says, as the headline here,
00:25:14.900 I wish I knew this before using a donor.
00:25:18.960 A donor.
00:25:19.420 What's a donor?
00:25:20.120 She says, this goes on for a little bit, so I'll just pick the best parts.
00:25:24.160 She says, today is International Donor Conception Awareness Day.
00:25:27.780 First of all, I am calling for a complete and total shutdown on made-up holidays until we figure out what the hell is going on.
00:25:35.140 We used to have liturgical feast days in the church, you know, based on Saint so-and-so and Saint this and that.
00:25:41.600 And now we have like five of these holidays every single day, but it's for things like International Donor Conception Awareness Day.
00:25:49.120 Anyway, this lady has a really good point.
00:25:50.800 She says, I'm endlessly grateful for my beautiful twins.
00:25:54.780 And how they came to be.
00:25:55.940 Okay, are you?
00:25:57.200 But, here comes the but, there's also so much I wish I had known before using a donor.
00:26:02.640 I was young and naive and excited.
00:26:04.660 There were things I wasn't told and I didn't ask.
00:26:06.560 I didn't understand just how unregulated the sperm donation industry is.
00:26:10.540 In many places, there are no enforced limits on how many families can use the same donor.
00:26:13.920 So, you end up in a world in which, you know, in one town you might have 50 half-siblings, which makes dating a little difficult down the road.
00:26:22.220 Because, as she says, there's no national tracking system, no centralized registry, no one's keeping count.
00:26:28.440 I didn't know that donors can stretch the truth on their applications.
00:26:31.840 No one is seriously validating their medical history, education, or identity.
00:26:35.140 So, you go there, you say, I want the sperm of Mr. Giga Chad, who's 6'4", blonde hair, blue eyed, graduated from Harvard, medical doctor, and a lawyer, and a triathlete.
00:26:47.380 The guy could write it on his application.
00:26:49.280 There's really no way of verifying it.
00:26:52.000 I wish I had known to listen to donor-conceived adults.
00:26:54.760 This is key here.
00:26:56.260 Many speak openly about the pain, identity struggles, and emotional complexity that can come from not knowing who contributed half of their DNA.
00:27:04.400 Even that phrase, who contributed half of their DNA.
00:27:06.520 You mean who their dad is?
00:27:08.900 Or who their mom is in the case of homosexual men who do this? 0.68
00:27:13.180 But in this lady's case, who is their dad?
00:27:15.160 Do you think dads matter? 1.00
00:27:17.960 Do you think, let me try to use the liberal language.
00:27:19.980 Do you think representation matters?
00:27:21.720 You know, they say, we need more women to be involved in corporate America. 1.00
00:27:27.020 We need this company to have half of its executives be women. 1.00
00:27:31.560 We need this company to have half of its employees be women. 1.00
00:27:34.400 Oh, yeah, well, what about the family?
00:27:35.420 Should the family have half of its parents be women and half be men? 0.99
00:27:39.760 If you think men and women each have something to contribute to the world, don't you think that would certainly be true of the bedrock political institution, the family?
00:27:45.780 I love that this woman says, the pain of donor-conceived adults.
00:27:51.080 Adults who are people who were conceived with the intent to deprive that person of his natural mother or his natural father.
00:27:58.120 Awful.
00:27:59.740 These are the closest relationships you're ever going to have, just about.
00:28:03.420 I didn't think about the fact that sperm banks are for-profit companies.
00:28:06.340 Sometimes money is put ahead of ethics, transparency, and long-term consequences.
00:28:09.180 I wish I had understood that when you're using a donor, you're not just making a decision about your future, you're making decisions that will have a lifelong impact on your children.
00:28:18.660 So true.
00:28:19.560 She goes on and on and on.
00:28:20.740 Most importantly, my advice is center your future child in every decision you make.
00:28:26.700 Good on this woman for looking at the issue, at least somewhat honestly.
00:28:30.580 The problem for her last piece of advice is when you conceive a child via a sperm donor, you are immediately denying the needs of your child because your child needs his mommy and his daddy.
00:28:45.640 The moment you do that, you are neglecting the needs of your child, denying the needs of your child, putting your own selfish desires before the natural needs of a child.
00:28:56.580 You're starting off on the wrong foot.
00:28:58.300 And some people do it out of ignorance.
00:29:00.660 Many people, I think, do it out of ignorance.
00:29:02.360 But we're becoming more aware.
00:29:03.880 We're discussing this novel technology in ways that finally involve ethics and morality, and it's got to stop.
00:29:10.800 These sperm banks, these for-profit companies, which are just one aspect of the baby store incorporated, got to go.
00:29:18.800 It's deeply wrong.
00:29:20.220 It is contrary to human dignity.
00:29:21.900 It denies the legitimate rights of children.
00:29:24.120 It is totally disordered, and it turns human beings into commodities.
00:29:29.420 Got to go. 0.91
00:29:30.580 If even the lesbian moms who do this, who create babies in this way, are recognizing it, you should too. 1.00
00:29:37.440 Speaking of kids, France, there's good news out of France.
00:29:41.500 That's a shocking headline.
00:29:43.100 There's good news out of France.
00:29:46.120 France is expanding a ban on veils in public to children.
00:29:52.100 France already has a ban on veils in public.
00:29:55.140 Now, I actually kind of like the veils.
00:29:56.540 You know, I know in the West, everyone knocks the hijab.
00:29:59.200 I think the hijab can look perfectly nice.
00:30:01.040 I like it when women veil in church, in mass. 0.97
00:30:03.980 And so I don't mind a little modesty.
00:30:06.160 I think the West could use a little more modesty, actually.
00:30:08.660 For all the things we're going to knock our Muslim friends for, that's not one.
00:30:11.460 But the burqa, the full dress, the whole thing, it's too much, okay? 1.00
00:30:16.860 It's too much, and more importantly, even, it's not our culture.
00:30:22.480 So if you walk around Paris and everyone's wearing a burqa, you're not really walking around Paris, are you? 1.00
00:30:29.600 Because whatever makes Paris, Paris is kind of ceased to be.
00:30:34.760 It's like you're walking around some city in the Middle East.
00:30:38.400 And I don't want to walk around some city in the Middle East. 1.00
00:30:40.500 It's like you're walking around a Muslim city. 0.89
00:30:42.020 I don't want to walk around a Muslim city. 1.00
00:30:43.400 I want to walk around Paris in France, the first daughter of the church.
00:30:49.720 That's a Christian city, because we're a Christian civilization.
00:30:53.040 And Muslims can come and visit sometimes.
00:30:54.960 That's fine.
00:30:55.280 But they can't take over.
00:30:57.680 They can't totally change the standards and the norms.
00:31:00.040 So previously, the veil ban said adult women can't wear the burqas in public, but kids can. 0.65
00:31:07.800 And that didn't make a lot of sense.
00:31:08.920 So Emmanuel Macron, president of France, his political party has called for a ban on young girls wearing the Islamic veils in a new law against Islamist entryism.
00:31:18.320 After a government report showed that the Muslim Brotherhood has been waging a multi-generational campaign to infiltrate Western institutions and reshape the West into an Islamic civilization. 0.57
00:31:32.200 This gets back to my point earlier on coalitions, you know, and taking the side of, like, Islamists.
00:31:40.260 Islam has, and I actually have a grudging but reasonable amount of respect for Muslims. 1.00
00:31:47.720 In many ways, I can speak to Muslims about serious things much more easily than I can speak to Western liberals and secularists and atheists.
00:31:54.800 So this is really nothing against the Muslims per se.
00:31:58.980 It's not exactly hostile or antagonistic.
00:32:01.700 But Islam, as a cultural force, has been attempting to invade and conquer the West for 1,400 years. 1.00
00:32:10.240 Immediately, immediately after the founding of Islam in the 7th century, they were on the move trying to conquer the West. 1.00
00:32:16.780 And they were largely successful.
00:32:18.280 And they made it 150 miles outside of Paris by the year 732, the Battle of Poitiers.
00:32:23.640 And only because Charles the Hammer, grandfather of Charlemagne, was able to turn them back, did they not conquer the West in the 8th century. 0.90
00:32:32.120 They obviously conquered Iberia, controlled Spain and Portugal and all that area, all the way up until the Reconquista in 1492.
00:32:39.640 When Ferdinand and Isabella finally put the final nail in the coffin of the Islamic Iberia. 1.00
00:32:44.420 And then Christopher Columbus went and sailed the ocean blue and discovered America.
00:32:48.280 But it's been a long time.
00:32:49.960 And it wasn't just the Battle of Poitiers.
00:32:51.400 It was the Battle of Lepanto, 1571.
00:32:54.040 It was the Battle of Vienna, largest cavalry charge in history.
00:32:57.320 It was again and again and again.
00:32:58.640 They keep trying to come in and conquer the West. 0.95
00:33:00.940 And now we kind of invite them in.
00:33:06.120 We say, oh, yes, take over, turn churches into mosques. 1.00
00:33:09.160 Oh, yes, change whatever customs you want.
00:33:11.500 I don't think that's a good idea.
00:33:13.380 You have to ask yourself, was it good?
00:33:16.160 Even if you're a kind of centrist lib, was it good that the West turned Islamic invaders away at the Battle of Poitiers and the Battle of Lepanto and the Battle of Vienna? 0.90
00:33:25.560 Is it good that we resisted the Islamization of the West at those periods? 1.00
00:33:31.140 I think most people, even many centrist libs, would say, yeah, that was good that we weren't overrun by Islam and Christianity wasn't blotted off the face of the earth. 0.99
00:33:40.520 Okay.
00:33:40.880 Well, if it was good then, it's good now.
00:33:46.540 And this kind of law in France is good, and we should see more of these kinds of laws.
00:33:50.260 They're not a threat to free speech or free expression or the great, wonderful liberal ideas that didn't build our civilization.
00:33:56.040 They're a defense of our civilization, and it's a necessary defense at that.
00:34:01.140 That's right.
00:34:31.120 A short comment yesterday is from PuffinStuff117.
00:34:33.100 It says, Michael, what the hell are you talking about?
00:34:35.540 Who paid you to try to convince us that less privacy is good? 0.98
00:34:39.060 The only people that should have cameras on them 24-7 are criminals.
00:34:41.680 Okay, hold on.
00:34:42.380 Hold on.
00:34:43.560 I knew, I anticipated some of this reaction from the liberal and libertarian wonderful people in our audience.
00:34:51.940 But I said, in response to the Nancy May story about how we need more privacy everywhere and, you know, you can't, you're not allowed to have a security camera.
00:34:58.900 Your boyfriend's not allowed to have a security camera in his apartment.
00:35:01.360 I said, well, look, that's one conclusion.
00:35:05.260 But if you want to look at the glass half full here, you should recognize you don't really ultimately have privacy.
00:35:12.500 Because even if you think that you have privacy, God is watching you.
00:35:15.620 Now, I would rather God watch me, God who is merciful.
00:35:18.080 I would rather God watch me all the time than have the government watch me all the time or have some private corporation watch me all the time.
00:35:23.460 But it is a fact of our culture that we just have cameras on us basically all the time.
00:35:28.340 Everyone is a roving cameraman because of their cell phones and there are security cameras everywhere.
00:35:32.940 And if you don't want to be caught on a friend or a stranger's security camera, don't walk naked through their apartment.
00:35:41.060 Because you're just going to know.
00:35:42.280 And maybe that's not fair.
00:35:43.380 Maybe you say, well, 20 years ago, that wouldn't have been true.
00:35:45.040 Yeah, but it is true today.
00:35:45.900 Okay, and just to jar you out of your liberal perspective here a little bit, the idea of privacy is the greatest possible good.
00:35:57.920 That is a very modern liberal idea.
00:36:02.460 Man is not primarily an isolated individual.
00:36:04.900 We are social creatures.
00:36:07.420 And when we in our civilization at least used to recognize that God could see what we were doing.
00:36:12.820 And so character is the thing you do when you think no one is watching.
00:36:16.400 You know, we need to behave ourselves a little bit better.
00:36:18.860 I think maybe we need to de-center privacy is the greatest good in our civilization.
00:36:24.260 And I think we need to maybe buff up virtue and behaving as you ought and manners and just propriety.
00:36:33.260 I think we need to, I'm not saying we totally get rid of privacy.
00:36:36.640 There's a place for privacy in certain instances.
00:36:38.740 But maybe we put propriety over privacy.
00:36:41.920 Maybe propriety is a little bit more than privacy.
00:36:44.480 A little more important.
00:36:45.140 What do you think?
00:36:45.520 I don't know.
00:36:46.020 That's going to get me in trouble again.
00:36:47.420 But so what? 0.99
00:36:48.540 You're not here for me to suck up to you. 0.99
00:36:51.180 You're not here for me to pander to you. 0.99
00:36:53.320 No, sir.
00:36:54.420 You're here for the truth.
00:36:56.080 You're here for me to tell you how much I hate to tell you I told you so.
00:36:59.080 Okay.
00:36:59.680 Speaking of threats.
00:37:01.520 No, sorry.
00:37:02.180 Speaking of dress codes.
00:37:03.240 I have to get to this story.
00:37:04.320 I've been teasing it all week.
00:37:05.220 A couple weeks ago, I played a clip of Starbucks employees whining and screaming about how they had a new dress code and how this was a terrible violation.
00:37:16.080 And what was the dress code?
00:37:17.040 The dress code said they had to wear black t-shirts and normal looking pants.
00:37:21.180 By the way, Starbucks employees wear a green apron over their clothing already.
00:37:25.100 So it's not as though this was changing all that much about their appearance.
00:37:30.100 And I love Starbucks.
00:37:31.980 I'll be contrarian conservative on that too.
00:37:34.120 Actually, the only thing I'm being contrarian is admitting that I love Starbucks.
00:37:37.940 Plenty of conservatives love Starbucks.
00:37:39.160 They just don't want to admit it because they think it's not fashionable or what.
00:37:42.000 Starbucks is great.
00:37:42.920 They've got the largest public bathroom program in the history of cities around the world.
00:37:47.600 The coffee is pretty good.
00:37:49.100 It's a little expensive, but it's just a well-run corporation.
00:37:52.760 Even when there are extremes from a small percentage of the baristas, like these people,
00:37:58.780 who have now gone further to claim not only is the new dress code an imposition, it is a violation of all of their civil rights.
00:38:06.520 We just demand that Starbucks follow the law. 0.66
00:38:13.220 They don't have the right to overthrow the National Labor Relations Act.
00:38:18.260 They're imperiling every civil right that we have, not just as workers, as union workers.
00:38:25.100 But that's the framework that all of our rights are under.
00:38:27.760 So all of our rights are in danger, and the only thing we can rely on is each other and taking direct action and solidarity.
00:38:35.300 Perfect.
00:38:36.020 Colin?
00:38:37.680 Exactly what Jacob said.
00:38:39.160 Perfect.
00:38:39.780 It's up to us to stand up for our rights and for our workplace.
00:38:43.640 Love it.
00:38:44.400 Thank you, guys.
00:38:46.220 No contract.
00:38:47.260 No contract.
00:38:48.020 Having to wear a black T-shirt for four to eight hours a day in exchange for a pretty decent wage and benefits,
00:39:00.100 that violates every one of their civil rights, apparently.
00:39:06.500 The Second Amendment, gone.
00:39:08.100 How can you carry a gun if you wear a black T-shirt?
00:39:10.660 The right to prevent foreign soldiers from being quartered in your house, oh, that's done. 0.90
00:39:16.460 I mean, if you have to wear a black T-shirt, how could you possibly, your Fifth Amendment right,
00:39:22.680 your First Amendment rights, the 22nd Amendment, how could you possibly prevent a president from running for a third term
00:39:30.460 if you have to wear a black T-shirt?
00:39:32.180 I don't know.
00:39:32.680 All of our civil rights, I don't think they're all threatened by the black T-shirt.
00:39:37.060 I think the Starbucks employees are going to be just fine.
00:39:42.680 It'll be okay.
00:39:43.600 There are serious threats to our democracy, notably the Democrat Party.
00:39:51.020 That's not my phrase.
00:39:52.280 It's not me throwing bombs and being a cheap polemicist.
00:39:54.740 That is the phrase of former Democrat presidential candidate Bernie Sanders.
00:40:00.260 Could we not also say, ostensibly, there hasn't been a fair primary for the Democrats since 2008.
00:40:05.800 Are they not also a threat to democracy?
00:40:07.720 We often hear-
00:40:08.600 Fair enough.
00:40:09.680 That is, yeah, I'm not going to argue with that point.
00:40:15.420 And that's why I'm proudly an independent.
00:40:18.160 There it is.
00:40:19.080 You heard it from the horse's mouth.
00:40:20.580 Is that the horse's mouth?
00:40:21.860 That's part of the horse, I think.
00:40:23.320 Bernie Sanders says, you're right, the Democrats are a threat to democracy.
00:40:28.100 That's why I'm proudly an independent.
00:40:29.400 Except you weren't an independent when you were running for president as a Democrat.
00:40:32.320 You heard it from him.
00:40:35.700 On this point of political coalitions, I guess that's the through line today.
00:40:39.840 The Republicans are in a pretty good spot right now.
00:40:42.280 Because we've made common cause with the people we should make common cause with.
00:40:45.800 Blue-collar workers.
00:40:47.500 Certain ethnic minorities.
00:40:50.200 Women, married women in particular. 0.87
00:40:52.700 With the people concerned about health and wellness.
00:40:57.000 The anti-corporate, anti-elite kind of figures.
00:40:59.460 That's good stuff.
00:41:00.100 We've kept out certain groups that we don't want to make common cause with because they're going to poison our coalition.
00:41:05.260 Democrats have not done that.
00:41:07.560 Democrats have let in a lot of people who are damaging their coalition.
00:41:11.600 And Democrats, as a result of that, because you have this incoherent coalition of the radicals, burn it down, abolish prisons, open borders, river to the sea, all this kind of discordant craziness.
00:41:23.440 Also with the moderate part of the Democrat party that just can't get along with them at all.
00:41:27.400 They can't really do anything.
00:41:28.480 And because of that, the only way that the party can continue to operate is by tightening its grip.
00:41:35.180 So you have the party elites who say, we're not going to have a fair primary.
00:41:38.960 We're not going to let Bernie say it.
00:41:40.160 We're going to give the debate questions ahead of time to Hillary Clinton. 1.00
00:41:43.620 They're going to have to tighten their grip.
00:41:44.920 And so then you have this even clearer contradiction, which is that the Democratic Party undermines democracy within its own party.
00:41:52.640 Even their presidential candidates admit it.
00:41:54.740 Now, turning to deeper matters, not just mere partisan politics, but to what undergirds all of politics, all of human conflict, which is religion.
00:42:04.120 I am very pleased to be joined by Jeremiah Johnston, who you saw on the Michael and episode for the Shroud of Turin.
00:42:13.940 It's one of our best performing episodes, I think, when you factor in all of the very media platforms it was on.
00:42:19.500 Jeremiah brought in a life-size or, you know, real-life version of the Shroud. 0.74
00:42:24.320 It's a facsimile, obviously.
00:42:25.680 But Jeremiah just saw the actual Shroud over in Turin.
00:42:29.340 Jeremiah, thank you for coming on the show.
00:42:31.600 Michael, you're a scholar and a gentleman.
00:42:33.360 It's so great to be back with you, my man.
00:42:34.700 I say it to myself in the mirror every morning.
00:42:37.320 Every day I'm brushing my teeth.
00:42:39.360 Now, you have not only—I want to hear what you saw in Turin and your experience of the Shroud in person.
00:42:45.240 But I also want to hear—I know you've got an upcoming project on other physical proofs of Christ.
00:42:52.020 Because I think what really jazzed people about the Shroud of Turin episode is that in our modern age,
00:42:59.520 we think that everything is just ethereal and in outer space, and you can't really touch anything.
00:43:04.440 And we have this view of religion that it involves just taking a leap of faith that has nothing to do with reason.
00:43:09.080 In some ways, it's supposed to reason, blah, blah, blah.
00:43:11.460 And you think, like, no, this is the burial cloth of Christ.
00:43:16.100 Like, no, we have relics and religious artifacts.
00:43:18.460 And we actually have physical, tangible objects that pertain to our faith and pertain to spiritual matters.
00:43:24.820 So before we get to some of those, what did you see in Turin?
00:43:28.180 What was your experience there?
00:43:30.080 Well, first, it was surreal.
00:43:31.620 I was in the eight-day exhibition in Turin, Italy that took place—you were just talking about feast days and holy days in the earlier monologue.
00:43:39.080 And it was fascinating to me because I'm in the actual tent sponsored by the Carlos Acutis Foundation.
00:43:45.420 This is—there's thousands of people walking through.
00:43:48.080 And I finally get to the exhibition with the Shroud, and a stranger literally looks at me across from the Shroud and says,
00:43:54.480 I saw you on Michael Knowles.
00:43:57.500 And there I am in Turin, Italy.
00:43:59.760 So they actually liked, I think, the Michael Knowles show better than actually seeing the Shroud in Turin.
00:44:05.000 That's a lot.
00:44:05.380 It was amazing.
00:44:06.300 It's Italian solidarity, really.
00:44:08.600 That's exactly right.
00:44:10.040 You're an OG.
00:44:11.180 You're there with the Blessed Carlo Acutis Foundation.
00:44:15.180 So Carlo Acutis, for those who don't know, he's the first millennial who's on his way to be canonized a saint by the Catholic Church.
00:44:22.300 And so you're there.
00:44:23.220 And how many people are there?
00:44:24.240 I mean, who—I've never seen the Shroud in person.
00:44:27.160 It was thousands every day.
00:44:28.960 They had to turn it off.
00:44:29.860 I collabed with them on several projects.
00:44:31.720 And being in front of the Shroud, which is in the St. John Cathedral, the tent was outside.
00:44:38.940 It was a virtual experience for those that couldn't get in to see the actual Shroud in the cathedral.
00:44:44.180 It was incredible.
00:44:46.140 And not only that, I went to the Museum of the Holy Shroud just down the road with the Chapel of the Holy Shroud.
00:44:52.880 I saw the first-ever picture taken.
00:44:56.300 We showed it on the Michael Ann broadcast that we had together on the podcast.
00:45:00.600 But I saw the actual photo from 1898, Michael, that kicked off the worldwide fascination.
00:45:07.500 I saw the box that the Shroud survived the fire in.
00:45:11.940 And I talked, most importantly, to the physicists, the mathematicians, the chemists, those that are in charge of caring for the Shroud.
00:45:21.100 And I learned a lot of fascinating details, such as the two greatest enemies right now of the Shroud are light and oxygen.
00:45:28.960 And this is why the Shroud did not go on full public display this year.
00:45:32.760 I interviewed my friend Enrico.
00:45:34.760 I can call these guys my friend now because Enrico is in charge of changing the argon gas twice a year for the reliquary,
00:45:42.720 which looks like something right out of Star Wars that protects the Shroud right now, Michael.
00:45:47.220 They change it twice a year.
00:45:48.660 It's 99% argon gas, 1% oxygen to preserve the Shroud.
00:45:53.440 And something I wanted to share as a follow-up, the image is fading, Michael, off the Shroud.
00:46:00.020 And we're not guaranteed to always have the image with us.
00:46:03.100 That's why programs like yours are so important where we can expose people while we still can to the great evidence for our faith.
00:46:11.020 There's so much more I could share.
00:46:12.180 Speaking of the film, I think we have a little bit of footage of your visit.
00:46:18.660 You're the only one in the world who has ever been able to duplicate what could have caused the image in the Shroud of Turin.
00:46:28.300 The Shroud, unlike any other grave cloth, contains an anatomically perfect image of a body.
00:46:34.980 What is the probability that the man of the Shroud is anyone other than Jesus?
00:46:42.520 It's one thing to see it on television.
00:46:46.120 It is a whole other thing to witness it firsthand.
00:46:51.380 The red of the blood was more, let's say, red.
00:46:58.440 The kind of light energy it would take to produce the image that we have on the Shroud of Turin.
00:47:06.000 34 billion watts.
00:47:08.200 Do you believe that the man of the Shroud is Jesus of Nazareth?
00:47:11.940 I must believe.
00:47:13.200 Right, right.
00:47:14.140 I must because the numbers caused me to be sure.
00:47:19.760 Why is the carbon dating wrong or is it wrong?
00:47:23.260 That is something went wrong.
00:47:25.860 So the question is why?
00:47:27.660 Maybe this is what science is pointing to us now more than ever.
00:47:31.040 That maybe this is a resurrection cloth.
00:47:33.320 It's piqued my interest.
00:47:38.620 Now, I'm also interested in the other physical proofs of Christ.
00:47:44.400 So we'll get to that in the Membrum Segmentum.
00:47:47.140 For right now, just listen, folks.
00:47:48.960 If you want to hear about the Jesus discoveries,
00:47:50.740 10 historic finds that bring us face-to-face with Jesus,
00:47:54.160 you need to—well, you can go get the book, I guess, eventually.
00:47:56.860 But you can also go to the Membrum Segmentum right now.
00:47:59.300 If you're the hoi polloi watching publicly, too bad.
00:48:01.560 Fork over your cash.
00:48:03.580 You know, these lights cost money to keep on.
00:48:07.160 And we will be joined by Jeremiah Johnston at Daily Wire+.
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00:48:15.100 We'll see you there.
00:48:31.560 You get two months free on all annual plans.
00:48:33.600 You are going to be joined by Maria every час.
00:48:35.060 And you can go to the moon of the millennial plans.
00:48:35.900 I'm going to get two months for your birthday in for those days.
00:48:36.940 Thank you.
00:48:37.200 Excuse me.
00:48:37.600 Thank you.
00:48:38.040 Thank you for listening.
00:48:38.560 Every day.