The Michael Knowles Show


Ep. 1745 - Glenn Greenwald’s Philosophy Is Worse Than His S＊＊ Tape


Summary

Kanye West's new song, Heil Hitler, is a new version of an old song, except it s a song he had already released before. I think Kanye is saying the Nazis are bad, and that s why he s a Nazi. And I think there s something deeper going on.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 All right, folks, this is it, your final day to save 40% on your new Daily Wire Plus membership.
00:00:04.040 Dailywireplus.com. Use code DW40 to join now. Pride Month kicks off with a bang
00:00:10.260 as a left-wing journalist retweets a video of himself doing extremely gross sex stuff
00:00:16.140 with a male prostitute. That part is not surprising at all. That is pretty much par
00:00:22.280 for the course, I think, for left-wing journalists. What is surprising is that a bunch
00:00:26.020 of conservatives are defending him. Then Elon Musk officially leaves the White House,
00:00:30.980 and I sit down with the extremely insightful and extremely conservative
00:00:35.620 prime minister of Hungary. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:00:56.020 Welcome back to the show. I'm on the flight back from Budapest yesterday,
00:01:01.480 and I see that Kanye West has released a new song, except it's not a new song. It's a new version
00:01:08.520 of an old song, a recent song, but a song he'd already released, called Heil Hitler. We talked
00:01:14.980 about it on the show. A lot of people talked about Kanye's song, Heil Hitler. And I had a slightly
00:01:20.460 contrarian take on that song, you might recall. I said, look, the Kanye critics are going to
00:01:26.460 derive this song, and the Nazis are going to love this song because they're both going to think
00:01:31.320 that Kanye is exalting Hitler. But I don't think that's what he's doing here. I think Kanye is
00:01:35.880 saying the Nazis are bad, and he's become bad, and that's why he's a Nazi. And I said, I think
00:01:39.740 there's something deeper going on. And Kanye has totally vindicated me. I am the most vindicated
00:01:45.780 rap music critic in the world right now. Hold on. There's a lot more to say. First,
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00:02:58.520 I guess it's Pride Month. It's a little bit more of a subdued Pride Month this year. Because as I was
00:03:06.760 flying back yesterday from Europe, I was getting ready to watch a Yankee game. I said, I got a long
00:03:11.760 flight. I'm going to watch the Yankee game. I said, oh no, please don't tell me. Please don't. I know
00:03:15.440 it's June 1st. Please don't tell me. I go to the Yankee. And sure enough, the Yankees post a little
00:03:20.540 Pride thing. And every sports team posts a Pride thing. And a lot of businesses post Pride things,
00:03:28.160 but not as many businesses as I was expecting. Hamilton, the Broadway show, obviously they posted
00:03:33.040 a Pride thing. This was Hamilton actually on the West End, posted a Pride symbol. And it said,
00:03:38.080 love doesn't discriminate. Hashtag Pride Month, hashtag HamFam. Which of course, doesn't make any sense.
00:03:46.080 Love very much discriminates. If you love your wife, you do not love other women in the same way.
00:03:52.140 If you love God, you don't love other gods. Love very much discriminates.
00:03:56.960 Because if you love one thing, then you don't love that which is contrary to it. It's like the
00:04:05.020 law of non-contradiction. But the slogans about Pride Month are always like that. And I'm pleased
00:04:10.500 to see that it's pretty subdued this year. Compared to any of the last 10 Pride Months,
00:04:18.440 I think people have had enough of it. I think people are sick of Pride Month. I think we reached peak
00:04:22.820 LGBT somewhere around 2019. And I think we've been declining ever since. And you know how much I hate
00:04:32.000 to say I told you so. I did predict this would happen. Because the LGBT ideology reached its
00:04:38.940 apotheosis with transgenderism, really with transing the kids. People found that the most repulsive,
00:04:43.840 the most extreme version of LGBTism. And they said, we don't want this. And then there was a
00:04:50.100 little bit of a movement among the more subdued sexual revolutionaries to say, okay, well, we need
00:04:56.200 to just divorce the T from the LGB. We need to get transgenderism out of the broader LGBT movement.
00:05:02.320 But I said that's not possible because transgenderism is just the logical conclusion
00:05:06.020 of the LGBT movement. Because the LGBT movement says there's really no difference between men and
00:05:10.440 women. That's the logic for so-called gay marriage. That's the logic for the whole movement.
00:05:14.660 I said, well, if that's true, then it naturally follows that a man effectively could be a woman.
00:05:19.600 And if a man effectively could be a woman, then a kid, effectively a little boy, could become a
00:05:23.680 little girl. And so just as ideas have their own momentum, starting with feminism, really,
00:05:31.620 feminism saying men and women are basically the same, I said, just as that idea leads naturally to
00:05:36.020 the gay rights movement, leads naturally to same-sex marriage, leads naturally to
00:05:41.120 transgenderism, and then therefore transing the kids. So too, when you start to go in the other
00:05:45.480 direction, you don't just stop. You don't just stop with the T. You keep going. And I predict that
00:05:52.100 we'll keep going. I think there's a big backlash against the whole LGBT thing and the broader gender
00:05:56.600 dysphoria that goes back many, many decades. And that includes feminism, which says that men and women
00:06:02.080 are the same. I suspect next year's so-called Pride Month is going to be even more subdued,
00:06:08.480 and that's a wonderful thing. Now, the Pride Month did begin with one particularly explosive scene.
00:06:16.440 I've had the editors just pull one. I actually asked them to blur it. They didn't blur it enough.
00:06:21.880 But I just, I'm not going to play the video. But there's this left-wing journalist,
00:06:26.840 Glenn Greenwald. And he's been around for a long time. And he retweeted a video of himself
00:06:37.060 wearing a skirt, shirtless, with what appears to be some kind of Palestinian flag or something on his
00:06:46.240 chest. And he was performing various eccentric actions that had at least a tangentially sexual
00:06:55.980 nature to them. This is a family show, so we're not going to play the video. Obviously,
00:06:59.440 we'll have the most wholesome screenshot that we can. I don't think you could really call it
00:07:07.220 wholesome. What is this about? What is he doing here? So for those who don't know who Glenn Greenwald
00:07:12.840 is, he began his career as a left-wing journalist writing for places like Salon, very left-wing outlets.
00:07:19.200 He was critical of the Republican administration. He participated in the Edward Snowden leaks from
00:07:25.840 the NSA. He was involved with part of the Bradley Manning, Bradley Manning, who became a transvestite
00:07:33.500 and called himself Chelsea Manning. He was part of that affair. And so that all coded left-wing 15
00:07:38.960 years ago. Now, because Bush has fallen out of favor, plenty of people on the right actually kind
00:07:45.280 of like Glenn Greenwald. But Glenn Greenwald is a left-wing guy. He is about as left-wing as it comes.
00:07:51.140 He does sometimes criticize the libs, and he did kind of defend Trump from Russiagate,
00:07:58.700 though he's attacking Trump now. But he's a man of the left. If you dress like that,
00:08:03.380 and if you're gay married, as Glenn Greenwald was, and if you do gay adoption, you know,
00:08:10.300 like two fellas adopting kids, you're pretty on the left. And so he not only had this video leak,
00:08:18.700 he retweeted it. And then he un-retweeted it. Then he blamed the leak on a political agenda.
00:08:26.480 But what's weird here is the content that he retweeted and that he obviously participated in
00:08:31.820 is about humiliation. The way he dresses, the way he behaved, the whole thing is about
00:08:37.220 being humiliated. And so Ali Stuckey made a good point. She said, I'm wondering if he retweeted that
00:08:42.680 on purpose because this is just part of his fetish or kink or something that he likes to be humiliated.
00:08:49.200 And maybe that was part of it too. I don't know. Here's what I do know. I would not have commented
00:08:55.660 on this story if all he had done was film this video and maybe even post this video. I would not
00:09:02.640 have commented on it. I am one of the few people in media, including in conservative media,
00:09:08.740 who have, up until this moment, never had even the slightest temptation to promote Glenn Greenwald.
00:09:14.640 Some people on the right have promoted him. They thought, well, he's hitting this one enemy of
00:09:19.900 mine right now, so I'm going to promote him. I always thought this guy, he and I do not share
00:09:24.000 really any basic political principles. Our political philosophies are radically different.
00:09:30.660 So even if some of our enemies overlap, I don't know. I don't really see a reason to promote him.
00:09:34.420 And I wouldn't have promoted this leak if it were only the leak. Because I think, look,
00:09:40.480 he's obviously a deeply troubled man. We're all sinners. Maybe we don't all do that,
00:09:45.620 but we all do bad stuff. And we don't want to engage in scandal and gossip and salacious
00:09:50.720 rumor mongering or any of it. And we should encourage him to get straight, as it were.
00:09:59.240 We should encourage him to fix his life. The reason that this became a political story and
00:10:05.600 the reason that I do feel we have to comment on it, and the reason I think it is misguided for
00:10:11.120 people on the right to defend the man, is the statement that he released. He posted this. He
00:10:16.680 said, last night, videos were released online depicting behavior in my private life. Some were
00:10:23.060 distorted and others were not. So the videos are real. They were published without my knowledge or
00:10:29.160 consent. And its publication was therefore criminal. Maybe. He's the one who, didn't he
00:10:33.720 retweet it? Though we do not yet know exactly who is responsible, we are close to knowing. And the
00:10:38.620 motive was a maliciously political one. Yeah. Was it? Your political enemies made you put a skirt on
00:10:44.260 and do weird stuff and then film it and then retweet it? Okay. I don't know. Maybe. Whatever.
00:10:50.240 As for the content of the videos, this is the key. This is the key here as to why we have to talk
00:10:55.440 about this and why this is political. As for the content of the videos, I have no embarrassment or
00:11:02.480 regret about them. The videos depict consenting adults engaged in intimate actions in their private
00:11:08.260 lives. They all display fully consensual behavior, harming nobody. This is why, this is why I am
00:11:14.820 totally vindicated in never having promoted this man ever. Hold on. Put a pause. Hold up.
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00:12:42.700 extra months for free. As for the content of the videos, Glenn Greenwald writes, I have no
00:12:47.980 embarrassment or regret about them. Really? You have no embarrassment? I'm not saying people
00:12:54.340 shouldn't feel sorry for him if this video was leaked without his approval. I'm not saying people
00:12:59.500 shouldn't feel sorry for him that he's in such a way that he even films videos like this.
00:13:06.080 One can have a great deal of pity for Glenn Greenwald.
00:13:08.540 You don't have any embarrassment about it? I think you should. You certainly should have.
00:13:15.300 If you don't have embarrassment or regret about putting on a skirt and whatever else,
00:13:21.820 what is it, a Palestine flag on his chest and doing all sorts of stuff that I'm not even going
00:13:25.560 to describe on the show. Luckily, I haven't seen the video, but I did read about it on Twitter and
00:13:29.320 I did see the screenshot. If you don't have embarrassment and regret about that, something
00:13:34.000 is seriously wrong with you. In fact, this statement in which you defend that behavior
00:13:40.480 and you defend it on the basis of a consent-only based morality, that demonstrates worse judgment
00:13:49.220 than filming the video in the first place. Because this is what liberalism, lowercase l,
00:13:56.860 always comes down to. In liberalism, it's not merely the highest moral maxim. It's actually
00:14:03.120 the sole moral criterion that consenting adults can do whatever they want, which is based on a
00:14:09.660 false understanding of consent. Because first of all, reportedly, the guy, the other guy in this
00:14:14.620 video was a prostitute. And very often, prostitutes are not exactly consenting, even by the modern
00:14:20.100 liberal definition of consent. Very often, they're coerced. Very often, they're trafficked. I'm not saying
00:14:25.520 this guy is trafficked. I'm just saying that happens in the prostitution industry. But furthermore,
00:14:31.720 the liberal conception of freedom, which I talk about on the show a lot, is a false conception
00:14:36.860 of freedom. And actually, the prime minister of Hungary made this point very well when we were
00:14:40.140 sitting down in Budapest. Freedom is not just neutrality in choosing, it's willing predicated on
00:14:46.340 knowledge. And what that means is, if your will is twisted by vice and sin, you're not going to be
00:14:54.300 totally free. You think Glenn Greenwald wants to do this stuff in a deep sense? No, he doesn't want
00:14:59.080 to do this stuff. No more than a really fat guy wants to eat the 10th cupcake. Part of his lower
00:15:04.540 appetite wants the 10th cupcake. Glenn Greenwald's lower appetite wants all this weird stuff.
00:15:09.400 But his rational will, if he has one, and we all have one at least to some degree,
00:15:14.000 doesn't want that. Because it is embarrassing, and it does fill one with regret. The big fat guy
00:15:18.800 doesn't really, at a higher level, doesn't want the 10th cupcake. Because he knows it's bad for him,
00:15:24.300 it's going to make him sad. True freedom is willing predicated on knowledge. So if your will is
00:15:30.740 twisted by vice, or if you're ignorant, you can't be truly free. So he has to defend this. And then
00:15:37.660 this is the craziest part. He goes on, and he says, he defends himself by attacking Trump.
00:15:47.580 Do I have the, where's the, yes, here we go. Serious, thoughtful question. How have you been
00:15:54.960 able to separate what you regard as Donald Trump's inspired and noble political leadership from the
00:15:59.540 repeated behaviors in his private life, long considered deeply immoral and degenerate under
00:16:04.440 the most widespread and longstanding? For some reason, this cuts off here. He's saying Trump was
00:16:09.220 married multiple times, and he's friends with Jeffrey Epstein, and blah, blah, blah, blah. He says,
00:16:13.840 I know that I'm going to get caught doing something completely degenerate and humiliating. I'm then
00:16:18.780 going to say it's not humiliating at all. I'm going to double down on the behavior. Then I'm going to
00:16:23.040 bizarrely be defended by a bunch of prominent conservatives, and I won't even be able to
00:16:27.540 take the undeserved win there. I'm going to start attacking Trump. I feel for the guy. We should pray
00:16:34.260 for the guy. Hope he gets right. We could all use a little fixing and sanctifying and growth and
00:16:42.060 virtue in our own lives. So it is a little bit there, but for the grace of God go all of us.
00:16:46.800 However, I feel vindicated in never having promoted him as the voice of conservative journalism and
00:16:56.060 philosophy. And that statement, those multiple statements, they show worse judgment than the
00:17:03.960 video. Okay. Speaking of consenting adults, Elon Musk is leaving the White House. President Trump
00:17:11.700 gave him a send-off, the first buddy, this richest man in the world who helped Trump win the election,
00:17:19.420 campaigned with Trump, said he was going to lead Doge, Department of Government Efficiency,
00:17:22.980 to clean up the federal government. It was one of the biggest figures of the first 100 days,
00:17:27.020 really 130 days, because it was at that point that Elon Musk was limited by the law
00:17:32.500 in being a temporary government employee. He's still running his businesses. He's not a full-time
00:17:36.760 government employee. And so after that period was over, Elon had to leave the White House and
00:17:40.940 President Trump gave him a big send-off. A little special something we have here.
00:17:45.700 Thank you. A very special that I give to very special people. I have given it to some,
00:17:52.660 but it goes to very special people. And I thought I'd give it to Elon as a presentation from
00:17:58.800 our country. Thank you. Thank you, Elon. Thank you. Take care, Elon. Thank you.
00:18:06.840 The luck in this is amazing.
00:18:10.960 Thanks, Elon. Large luck.
00:18:13.720 It's a big key to the White House. So it's a nice send-off. People are reporting on this as though
00:18:17.960 Musk is being fired. This is the liberal media. Musk is being fired. He's not being fired. Every,
00:18:23.900 we want to talk about saying I told you so. Everyone has known from the beginning that Musk was going to
00:18:28.680 have to leave at about 130 days. And he'll maybe still be around. He'll still be helping to advise
00:18:34.300 things, but he can't, unless he were to give up his businesses, which he's obviously not going to do,
00:18:38.840 he cannot stick around longer than that. People have been saying, oh, there's rivalry between
00:18:43.160 the two men, all this salacious reporting on screaming matches and all the rest of it.
00:18:47.000 And Trump, I think, gave Elon this big send-off with the key to the White House
00:18:51.980 as a middle finger to the media to say, no, this isn't true. You're not going to drive a
00:18:58.100 wedge between the two of us. He came in, he did his job, and he's great. We love Elon. We like him
00:19:02.840 so much. We're giving him a key to the White House. The media have been desperate to drive a
00:19:07.360 wedge between the two men. The reason the media are so desperate to drive a wedge between the two
00:19:12.220 men is because only the Democrats are supposed to have the billionaires. Only the Democrats certainly
00:19:18.560 are supposed to have the Silicon Valley billionaires, the big tech billionaires. It was really problematic
00:19:23.760 for the Dems that Elon Musk came and helped Trump. Elon Musk helped Trump win the election.
00:19:29.620 They can't tolerate that. Elon is cool. Even if you hate Elon, he's pretty cool. He's weird. He's
00:19:37.320 eccentric. He wants to go to Mars. He's one of the most interesting people in the world. Those guys
00:19:42.340 are supposed to vote for Democrats, not for Republicans, certainly not for Trump. It was a big
00:19:45.940 problem. So they're always trying to drive a wedge. Trump here signaling at the end, he's not going to
00:19:49.780 let them happen. It must, the same thing. They're just not going to let the media happen, despite the
00:19:54.520 constant negative press. Covfefe. Other huge news that happened yesterday. Ukraine obliterated Russia
00:20:03.140 with facts and logic and drones. You know, I've been pretty clear-eyed on the whole Ukraine war. I've not
00:20:08.620 exactly been waving the blue and yellow flag, Slava, Ukraine. Oh, Zelensky's the greatest hero since
00:20:14.680 Winston Churchill. That ain't me. That ain't my take on the war. And I have consistently urged
00:20:20.700 restraint and peace in that war. But you got to give them their due in Ukraine. Ukraine carried
00:20:27.460 out an amazing military operation yesterday, destroyed 41 Russian aircraft in a drone attack
00:20:36.420 inside Russia. Something like a third of the Russian fleet that can really inflict serious
00:20:43.720 damage. This was 2,670 miles beyond the Ukraine front line. So you're talking deep into Russia.
00:20:49.960 This is at the Balaya Air Base. The operation was called Operation Spider's Web. And that's all the
00:20:57.720 good side. You got a good job on Zelensky. Very impressive. Probably good job on the United States,
00:21:01.780 which is really the serious power in this war against Russia. But what this does risk is
00:21:10.520 seriously escalating the war. Now, we're on the brink of potentially a peace deal with the Russians.
00:21:15.760 When I was chatting with a lot of great European conservatives from all over, from Italy, from
00:21:21.660 Spain, from Brussels, from obviously from Hungary when I was in Budapest, it became quite clear. In fact,
00:21:29.200 the prime minister of Hungary made this point. The only two powers that can resolve the Ukraine war
00:21:33.660 are the United States and Russia. It's not Ukraine and Russia. It doesn't matter if Ukraine and Russia
00:21:37.280 sign a deal. America is the superpower backing Ukraine. So the deal can only come from the US
00:21:43.440 and Russia. If this latest attack from the Ukrainian side puts the Russians on their back feet and helps to
00:21:51.960 bring about a more favorable deal for the West, great. That's really good. But what this attack shows is
00:21:58.860 something I've been worrying about the whole time in the Ukraine war, which is the neocons and the
00:22:04.060 libs and the globalists have been saying that the war in Ukraine basically has no cost whatsoever.
00:22:11.360 Their argument is the war in Ukraine is a great military investment because we give them a little
00:22:15.500 bit of money. We don't have to send them soldiers necessarily. We don't need to have boots on the
00:22:19.760 ground necessarily. We just give them a lot of money and we turn Ukraine into a meat grinder and we get
00:22:24.540 to kill off an entire generation of Russian men. And we'll also have to kill off an entire generation
00:22:28.800 of Ukrainian men, but at least it's not American men. And it's a small price to pay to degrade the
00:22:34.940 Russian military. That is the argument made by the neocons, the libs and the globalists.
00:22:41.100 Okay. And you can kind of, it's a gruesome calculation. It's a cold calculation, but you can
00:22:46.860 understand it. The thing that those people are missing is wars don't just remain static.
00:22:52.560 It's not as though you can have this meat grinder go on forever and not risk any downside.
00:22:59.460 The downside is today and always has been that that regional war between, well, one nuclear
00:23:07.280 former superpower and ostensibly Ukraine, really it's between two nuclear powers because it's really
00:23:12.660 between the United States and Russia. The risk is that tiny little meat grinder becomes a major
00:23:18.140 regional war and becomes a global conflict and potentially a nuclear conflict as has been
00:23:23.280 threatened multiple times. That's the risk. And that's the risk you're seeing here.
00:23:29.780 So good job to Ukraine. That's great. I hope it helps us get a decent peace deal, but
00:23:34.320 really the way this news story is going to be played off in the liberal presses,
00:23:39.900 this shows that the Ukraine skeptics were wrong and the Ukraine hawks were right.
00:23:44.880 Au contraire, mes frères, this actually vindicates the Ukraine skeptics as well. It vindicates the
00:23:51.440 Ukraine hawks because it says, look, they can really fight back. Look at this amazing
00:23:54.600 operation they pulled off where they drove a bunch of little sheds into Russia and then the
00:24:00.320 roofs came off and the drones came out and they blew up all these planes. That's very impressive.
00:24:03.880 But it also vindicates the Ukraine skeptics because this war is escalating in real time
00:24:10.640 as we're getting a lot of saber rattling from Iran and Israel over the Iranian nuclear program.
00:24:18.160 As we're getting a major terror attack in Boulder, Colorado over the Israel-Gaza conflict.
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00:25:41.820 much you could save that. It's policygenius.com slash Knowles. Folks, three-fingered mummies, alien
00:25:47.520 abductions, giants, all sorts of things that I mostly think are not real, but at the very least
00:25:54.460 they're interesting. In this episode of Michael and the Rogue Archaeologist Part 2, I continue my
00:25:59.700 conversation with explorer and author Timothy Albarino. After our previous episode was left on
00:26:04.440 a cliffhanger, we discuss his most recent expedition to Peru, testimonies of self-purported alien abductees,
00:26:11.800 and the potentially Nephilim-like remains of giants. We get into it all in this episode. Check out this
00:26:17.720 quick teaser.
00:26:21.360 I had this intuition. There's something under that pyramid in Peru. These three-fingered
00:26:28.100 tridactyl beings, the largest, most bizarre elongated skulls. Let me tell you the most compelling thing
00:26:34.880 though. Two of the mummies are pregnant. Maybe there is a crypto-terrestrial, non-human
00:26:41.580 race, species, inhabiting planet Earth, probably subterranean. It sounds crazy. It sounds absolutely
00:26:48.740 crazy. Even according to the Smithsonian's own records, there were the remains of people of
00:26:55.020 unusually large stature were discovered. What does it mean for us? What does it mean for everything from
00:27:01.100 our human nature to salvation history if that actually happened? Well, those are the essential
00:27:05.120 questions.
00:27:12.440 Watch a full episode now at the Michael Knowles YouTube channel for the full uncensored ad-free
00:27:16.800 version. You go to Daily Wire Plus.
00:27:21.260 Major terror attack in Boulder, Colorado. The FBI has charged a 45-year-old man. His name is Mohammed,
00:27:29.520 you'll be shocked to hear. He seems to have had some kind of flamethrower and was setting Israel
00:27:40.840 supporters on fire in Boulder, Colorado. And it wasn't even a young kid. This guy's 45 years old and his
00:27:46.940 victims were older. Six people between the ages of 67 and 88 were injured by this guy attempting to,
00:27:55.020 in some cases, successfully setting them on fire. They were taken to the hospital. And what was Mr.
00:28:00.220 Mohammed screaming? Well, this was taking place. According to the FBI, he was screaming, free Palestine.
00:28:08.060 Checks out. It is always, always, almost always, the ones you most expect. Apparently, he was also
00:28:17.440 yelling, how many children have you killed? We have to end the Zionists and they are killers.
00:28:21.640 This is the free Palestine movement. I know that some people on the right, a little more fringy,
00:28:29.240 but some people on the right have flirted with the free Palestine movement because they've been
00:28:34.200 taken in by the propaganda of a movement that is essentially leftist and liberationist down to its
00:28:40.920 core, liberal truly down to its very core. I know they've been taken in by this, just as people on
00:28:49.640 the right have been taken in by all sorts of left-wing activist campaigns throughout history.
00:28:54.620 This always happens. Whether we're talking about geopolitical events, I don't know, in Africa or
00:29:01.460 Asia, or whether we're talking from domestic issues like the LGBT movement or like, I don't know,
00:29:07.020 any of the other ones, the free speech movement or whatever. Sometimes right-wingers get taken in
00:29:12.320 by this. And I just, as I've pointed out on the show, and I've pointed it out as recently as last
00:29:16.120 week, this is not our movement. These are not our people. The free Palestine movement is made up of
00:29:25.960 Greta Thunberg. Okay, the free Palestine movement is made up of Hollywood lunatics and the establishment
00:29:34.340 media, largely, and Islamists named Muhammad. And weirdly enough, the Islamists are probably the most
00:29:41.620 reasonable people among them. And that's not a good sign for a movement. Furthermore, even take the
00:29:48.900 immediate substance of Palestine and, you know, the Middle East out of it. This whole notion of free
00:29:54.800 such and such, you know, these kind of movements, march into the street, we will be free, liberate us,
00:29:59.840 whatever. They're always left-wing. That kind of language, that kind of rhetoric, the anti-colonial,
00:30:07.940 anti-imperial, free yourself from the constraints of tradition and nation and empire, all that stuff.
00:30:16.820 That's for the libs. Okay, this is not our movement. So before, I guess this is the thread on
00:30:23.860 the show today. It's just associating with people and, well, you're known by the friends you keep.
00:30:28.760 So you got to make sure you're not making a misstep. You're not being lured in by the temptation of
00:30:33.920 of seeing someone attack a group that you want to attack, that you're not lured in into making a
00:30:38.880 political alliance that is ultimately incoherent. There is no coherent alliance between normal people
00:30:44.440 and the Greta Thunberg, Hollywood elites, Muhammad shrieking while he lights people on fire.
00:30:49.780 It's not going to work in the long run. And you're going to be embarrassed and you're going to be
00:30:54.340 filled with regret. Even if you deny it in your subsequent statements, you're going to be embarrassed
00:30:58.860 and filled with regret if you associate with those people. It's intrinsically radical and liberal.
00:31:06.580 They ain't our kind of people. They ain't my kind of people, I'll tell you that. Okay, now,
00:31:11.160 speaking of anti-Semitism, I guess, and claims of anti-Semitism,
00:31:17.100 I feel so vindicated. Boy, oh boy. And I was thinking this on the airplane yesterday,
00:31:24.880 because someone pointed out that Kanye West has released a new version of his song,
00:31:30.480 Heil Hitler. I talked about the song Heil Hitler on the show. I think my show is probably one of
00:31:35.000 the few places left on YouTube you can still hear a clip of Heil Hitler because it was taken off all
00:31:38.680 the platforms. And I said, hey, hey, you guys are misunderstanding it. I said, there are people
00:31:44.780 who are pro-Nazi and they love this song because they think that Kanye West is saying the Nazis are good.
00:31:50.580 And then there are people who are criticizing Kanye because they're an anti-Nazi and they think Kanye
00:31:55.700 West is saying the Nazis are good. And I said, I think both of these groups are misunderstanding
00:31:59.300 what Kanye is saying because they're not listening to his words. Kanye West in the song, he says,
00:32:05.620 these people took my kids from me and my bank accounts and I've lost everything and I'm filled
00:32:11.220 with wrath and I don't know what to do with it. And I'm addicted to drugs and I'm doing weird sex stuff
00:32:17.740 and I'm just so out of my mind. I'm being so unreasonable that I'm becoming a villain.
00:32:25.000 I'm becoming evil. And so therefore I'm a Nazi, therefore Heil Hitler, which means the original
00:32:31.880 song and like no one got this, but the original song, if you just listen to the lyrics, you don't
00:32:37.320 need a PhD in music criticism. You can just listen to what he's saying plainly. He's saying the Nazis are
00:32:42.980 bad and I'm bad and therefore I'm a Nazi. And so the obvious, even down to the black men who were
00:32:51.420 in the song, who were in the music video, they're wearing animal skins and animal heads as if to say,
00:32:56.340 I'm surrendering my rational will and my intellect and I'm just becoming a base animal. I'm degrading
00:33:02.880 my humanity and it's kind of guttural grunt, Heil Hitler. And so the obvious question at the end of the
00:33:11.400 song is, how do you get back? If you've reached rock bottom, how do you get back? Which way,
00:33:17.780 Western man, are you going to further degrade yourself, make yourself further an animal,
00:33:22.000 lower yourself to the kind of paganism or worse and become a Nazi? You know, will to power,
00:33:30.560 forget about your intellect, forget about morality, forget about reason, forget about the good.
00:33:33.960 Are you going to become a Nazi or are you going to not be a villain? Can you be a good guy again?
00:33:38.940 How can you be a good guy again and go up and worship God? And there was a sign that I was
00:33:45.520 right about this from about a week ago when Kanye West tweeted out, he said, look, I'm done. He goes,
00:33:50.660 I'm done with antisemitism. I forgive everyone who's hurt me. I'm sorry for the people that I've
00:33:55.280 hurt. I love God. Thank God. And he explained why too. He said, I just got a FaceTime call from my kids
00:34:00.160 and now life is great again and I'm back on top and this is wonderful. And it was this huge shift.
00:34:04.700 And then I think, no coincidence, shortly thereafter, he releases this version of the
00:34:09.700 Heil Hitler song.
00:34:10.280 We bleep that word now too.
00:34:25.220 So he's, I can't, we're bleeping too much. We're bleeping too much around here, folks. But he's
00:34:44.980 saying, you know, I, I became a villain and then there's this turn. He goes, ninja, say ninja,
00:34:53.980 you know what word I'm talking about. Ninja, hallelujah. They don't understand the things
00:34:58.800 I say on Twitter. All my ninjas, godly. No longer all my ninjas, Nazi. All my ninjas, godly. Ninja,
00:35:05.880 hallelujah. So even this though, because Kanye is an interesting artist. There are two reads on it.
00:35:11.760 Either it's Kanye creating an equivalency between God and Hitler, right? It's either Kanye saying that
00:35:19.880 to say Heil Hitler is the same thing as saying hallelujah, which is to call Hitler God. I guess
00:35:23.700 that's one read you could have of it. I just, I don't think that's really supported by the narrative
00:35:28.060 that Kanye has given on this, which is I'm a villain. My life's terrible. Everything's bad.
00:35:33.060 Then on Twitter, which is part of the performance of this song, for goodness sakes, he references
00:35:38.120 Twitter in the chorus repeatedly. Twitter's obviously in this performance he's giving.
00:35:43.080 And he says, oh yeah, I've given it up. It's over. The narrative in that song, I'm changing it.
00:35:47.360 Then he literally changes the song and he answers the question that I observed was implicit in the
00:35:54.020 song in my commentary on it, which is, okay, what do we do now? How can I become a good guy again?
00:35:59.780 Are we going to keep going down into being a villain and being a Nazi and being Hitler?
00:36:04.180 Or are we going to worship God? Or are we going to become the good guys again? And Kanye does it.
00:36:10.800 Kanye actually does it. He does it so clearly that he re-released the song as Hallelujah.
00:36:16.380 I absolutely love saying I told you so. And on this one, this is one of the faster vindications
00:36:24.080 I've ever had on it. Some people doubt that I get pop music and rap music. You should not.
00:36:31.940 You should. I am the most vindicated rap critic in the world.
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00:36:58.940 This is the last day. Do not miss it. My favorite comment on, wow, when was it? When was the last show?
00:37:04.500 Friday? Thursday? It's from the Drummer's Workshop. Norm's Music says, I guess Harry Potter is performing
00:37:09.640 black magic. Do you get it? Because Harry Potter recast at least one actor and maybe
00:37:18.260 multiple actors is black and black magic. Do you get it? Do you get it?
00:37:26.100 Okay. So I was just in Hungary, as you know, I flew over to Budapest for CPAC Hungary. It was
00:37:31.200 wonderful time. We'll put my speech somewhere. I'm sure you can find it somewhere.
00:37:34.500 It's kind of funny to give a speech to a Hungarian audience because they have translator earphones
00:37:39.960 on. So you make a point. You make a joke or you make a point in your speech. And then there's
00:37:45.940 actually a delay between the time you make it and when they react to it. So it's kind of an
00:37:49.820 interesting crowd to do it when you're speaking in translation, especially to Hungarians. A lot of
00:37:55.860 Hungarians speak English, but Hungarian is basically the most difficult language to learn in the entire
00:37:59.620 world. When I landed in Budapest, pretty much the first thing I did was go to meet the prime minister.
00:38:05.320 So you'll see some familiar faces in this little hangout. But I'm sitting there with, I don't know,
00:38:11.180 it's probably about half a dozen of us or so, sitting down with prime minister Orban. And I won't play the
00:38:17.140 whole interview here. This went on for a very, very long time. Two questions in particular, though,
00:38:22.540 I asked him. Because I knew everyone was going to ask him about this policy and that policy and the
00:38:26.580 European elections and why this party in Spain didn't do as well and why whatever, you know,
00:38:31.340 all this kind of daily politics. I wanted to get deeper because Orban strikes me as a deep thinker.
00:38:36.620 And so I asked him about two things. I asked him about freedom. I asked him about his, how his
00:38:42.780 political views have changed. And I asked him about the symbol of the Hungarian nation. Because when,
00:38:50.100 when Orban was in power 25 years ago for the first time, before he was thrown out of power,
00:38:55.160 and then he came back to power, he did something very interesting. He moved the crown of St. Stephen
00:38:59.280 into the parliament building. I asked him, I said, what does that mean? And what can we American
00:39:04.220 conservatives learn about that kind of an action? Here's his answer. This goes back a little ways,
00:39:09.160 not just the policies of the last few years, but roughly 25 years or so. When you were prime minister
00:39:15.740 the first time, you moved the crown of St. Stephen from a museum to the center of parliament.
00:39:22.120 I'm not Hungarian, but looking at that, that seems like a beautiful movement that seems to have
00:39:28.440 great meaning for the political order. But I don't want to put words in your mouth. What's the
00:39:32.880 significance of that move? That's the most complicated element of the Hungarian, being Hungarian,
00:39:40.380 you know. So first of all, the crown belongs to Christianity. And the relationship between the
00:39:47.800 nation and Christianity here in Hungary is very unique. It is even written into the constitution
00:39:53.740 that the Christianity has a role to preserve the nation. And if you look at the history of 1,100 years
00:40:02.580 of Hungary, there were some periods when we survived as a nation just because of the Christianity.
00:40:07.860 And the crown is a symbol of coming together the nation and Christianity, you know, because it's a
00:40:16.860 Christian country which is symbolized by the crown. So that's first. Second, you know, nation is a notion
00:40:25.540 when you discuss and read about it in the Western philosophy and literature, looks like that something
00:40:31.800 would belong to the modern age, 19th century or something, the modern age. But it's not
00:40:37.840 not the case with the Hungarians. The nation as an notion, as a concept is back to more than 1,000 years
00:40:46.080 old for a very simple reason. Because, you know, this territory was occupied by the Hungarians by a move.
00:40:53.280 So we came here to this territory 1,100 years ago as a deliberate move. We decided that from Asia, we move here,
00:41:01.760 we come here, and we take that territory, we took it over. And the Hungarians arrive, which means that these
00:41:08.760 Hungarian guys have spoken or had spoken Hungarian language, surrounded by alien communities, no any relatives,
00:41:19.760 relatives, neither culturally, neither linguistically, no DNA, you know, so we are totally alien here.
00:41:28.000 So therefore, to be a Hungarian and to belong to the community, which is the nation, you know, is a concept of more than 1,000 years old here,
00:41:35.200 because of the special history. So, and the Saint Stephen crown is a kind of testimony of that.
00:41:44.480 So therefore, for Hungarians, we have the saying, still we have the crown, we have the country.
00:41:49.440 It sounds stupid, you know, because crown is just a piece of something, you know, and the country is
00:41:53.120 something else. But in the mind of the Hungarians, still we have the crown, we have the country.
00:41:57.520 So therefore, the crown is so much deeply embedded in the heart and spirit of the Hungarians that
00:42:03.440 is difficult to imagine for somebody who is not belonging to our community.
00:42:06.800 I don't know that it's that difficult. It seems much more solid than a lot of the modern ideologies
00:42:11.280 that political orders are based on these days.
00:42:13.520 So it was a big move. And, you know, it was at the same time an anti-communist move.
00:42:21.200 Because after the Second World War, when the last Hungarian government escaped from Hungary to the
00:42:27.120 West, because the Russians came in, the Soviet Union came in, the communists came in,
00:42:31.280 they delivered with themselves the crown. So the crown was outside the country.
00:42:36.480 It was in Fort Knox, basically, in the United States, you know. And then in the 70s,
00:42:42.800 the United States decided that if the Hungarians communist government asking for that, they can
00:42:47.920 give it back. And there was some legitimacy crisis of the communist leadership here,
00:42:53.200 and they used that gestures to give some profile for them. So then the government of the administration
00:43:00.080 of the United States have given it back. Jimmy Carter. Just blame Jimmy Carter.
00:43:04.640 It's got to be Carter. It's got to be Carter. But the communists said, okay,
00:43:08.480 we need that move and gesture, but it's dangerous. Put it into a museum. In a dark corner, you know.
00:43:16.960 So to let it out of the museum was a kind of re-burn process of the crown and the conservative
00:43:25.600 Christian past of Hungary. So it was a lot of discussion here, ideological one,
00:43:29.840 but finally we decided to do so. It's strange a little bit because the crown is in the parliament,
00:43:35.360 but the crown expressed the essence of the sovereignty of Hungary, and the sovereignty
00:43:39.760 now is in the hand of parliament in the modern age. That's why we think it's possible to store
00:43:44.480 there or to keep there. Everybody can see it. It's wonderful. It's really a unique piece of art.
00:43:50.480 It's important to pay attention to this, this observation of the prime minister here, because,
00:43:56.880 well, Hungary is a small state. It's relatively less influential on the world stage than the United
00:44:02.240 States. It's been around a long time. It's been around a long time, and it's maintained its identity.
00:44:06.240 And unlike Europe and unlike the United States, it has stopped invasions for a very long time,
00:44:13.120 including modern mass migration. And it has really led the way. And you see what he says here?
00:44:18.320 He says, well, the crown's important because it goes back a thousand years.
00:44:22.640 The crown of St. Stephen, it's a sturdier foundation for a country than civil laws. It's a
00:44:30.080 sturdier foundation than, I don't know, certain rituals. It's a sturdier foundation than the
00:44:37.280 constitution. And we in the United States have to remember that because we love our constitution.
00:44:41.980 Don't we love our constitution, folks? But the country's deeper than the constitution. It's
00:44:46.360 older than the constitution. Its foundation is stronger than the constitution. As Orban says here,
00:44:53.400 the crown of St. Stephen, an actual saint with a cross on it, reminds us that Christianity
00:45:00.520 has an important role in preserving nationhood. That's in the Hungarian constitution.
00:45:05.560 And that this crown is the symbol of that power. And so the crown can move. And it can move even to
00:45:10.920 have a paradox where the crown is in the people's house. The symbol of the monarchy or a symbol of
00:45:16.040 the monarchy is in the house of the people in the parliament. And that shows you where the
00:45:20.040 authority of the government lies. Very important. We're not just a country that came out of thin air or
00:45:25.080 out of enlightenment ideas in the 18th century. If we're going to preserve our country and our
00:45:31.640 civilization, it's going to have to be founded on something deeper. Ultimately, it's going to have to be
00:45:35.640 grounded in God. I then asked one more question. That's very important also for the American
00:45:40.220 understanding. I said, how have your political views changed? You were in office in the late 90s.
00:45:44.520 Then you were out of office. Then you came back into office in 2010 or so. And you've been in office
00:45:49.140 for about 15 years. Have your views changed over time? A cheap politician would say, my views haven't
00:45:55.280 changed at all. What Orban says here is really interesting because he admits that his views have
00:46:04.440 changed. But listen to how he says they've changed. Has your thinking on this changed?
00:46:09.660 Because you've had a very long political career. We were talking about the kids earlier at the
00:46:12.840 universities who maybe they start out libertarian, they become more traditionalist or something like
00:46:17.600 that. Has your thinking on these questions changed much over 30 years? Definitely yes.
00:46:24.260 Definitely yes. First of all, when I was young, in the 80s, it was obvious that liberals fight for
00:46:33.960 freedom. And freedom is the most important issue. Yeah. So I'm a freedom fighter, street fighter,
00:46:40.380 whatever. So freedom. And it took two decades to understand that now, slowly but surely, the liberals
00:46:48.480 became the enemy of the freedom. So something bad in the concept. So we have to rethink everything.
00:46:55.560 So then I have got some help from the God as well to understand that this is bad and this is good.
00:47:01.140 And I reshape my ideas and reshape my program and so on. But the core is unchanged. The core is
00:47:07.580 freedom. I desperately believe that freedom is the best thing. And the God has given the freedom for us
00:47:15.880 to make good things. So let's be so simple. That's all. That's all. And if you continue, if you follow
00:47:21.980 that track, you will win. So the freedom stays solid, but there's a changing conception of freedom.
00:47:27.880 Yeah. Because, because, sorry, I came from a dictatorship. Freedom means to be free from
00:47:35.340 something, from the communist, from Soviet Union, you know, to be free from something. But I realized
00:47:41.880 that after several years, it's not enough because freedom is for something. So it's not, it's not
00:47:48.580 enough to say that freedom is against something. Freedom, it must be for something, you know,
00:47:52.440 you have to do something. And then you, it's easy to understand that in the human being's lives,
00:47:58.280 if you would like to have a real, a real value, valuable life, you have to admit that there are
00:48:07.520 things which are more important than yourself. This is the key point. This is a turning point. That's
00:48:12.660 my turning point. There are things which are more important than my own personal life.
00:48:16.460 This is the family, the God, and the nation. And the best way of life to serve the things which
00:48:22.800 are more important than you are. Be humble and serve the more important things. When you
00:48:28.520 understand that, you became conservative. Yeah. That's so simple. Brilliant, brilliant answer
00:48:34.500 here from Prime Minister Orbán. Shows you, this is a, this is a serious political person. This is a deep
00:48:39.400 thinker. He says, he says, well, my views have changed. Certainly my approach to politics,
00:48:45.600 my views have changed over the decades, but it's always been about freedom. Well, the only way
00:48:51.440 those two statements can be true is if his understanding of freedom has changed, which he
00:48:56.860 acknowledges there after the follow-up. He says, well, yes, of course, I used to think freedom was
00:49:01.660 just freedom from, freedom from the Soviet Union, freedom from what? Coercion, freedom, the same kind
00:49:07.940 of freedom, quote unquote, that the guys like Glenn Greenwald are talking about in, at the top of the
00:49:14.100 show. In that, in that statement, he says, oh, I'm just consenting adults. All that matters is
00:49:19.420 consent. But Orbán says, it took me a couple of decades, but I had, I realized freedom has to be
00:49:24.780 for something. It has to be grounded on real things, faith, family, the nation. It has to be for, it's not
00:49:32.700 just about stopping attacks. It's not just about stopping coercion. It's about building something.
00:49:40.800 It has a purpose. It has a T-loss. Freedom without a substantive content means nothing at all.
00:49:49.000 Which way are we going to go? It took, it took Prime Minister Orbán a couple of decades in politics
00:49:54.040 to understand that fact, and he's understood it beautifully, and he's done a very good job in
00:49:57.160 Hungary as a result of it. Are we American conservatives going to remember that? Are we going to stand up,
00:50:02.700 for the freedom of consenting adults to degrade themselves on video, and then pretend they're
00:50:08.040 not embarrassed or ashamed of it? Or are we going to stand up for real freedom, which is the freedom
00:50:13.380 to do the things we ought to do, and the freedom, the higher, exalted freedom, to have a good country,
00:50:18.380 to have flourishing families, to have a civilization? Which freedom are we going to have? Which way,
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