The Michael Knowles Show - June 05, 2025


Ep. 1748 - Karine Jean-Pierre Leaves The Democrat Party


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Former White House Press Secretary Corrine Jean Pierre (KJP) is leaving the Democratic Party. She tells us why she left the party in a tell-all book and why she thinks it s time to move on from Joe Biden.

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00:00:47.000 Former White House Press Secretary Corrine Jean-Pierre is leaving the Democrat Party.
00:00:54.000 Do you remember Corrine Jean-Pierre, KJP?
00:00:57.000 I think you do, but just to jog your memory.
00:01:00.000 Here is how Corrine Jean-Pierre answered when asked about why Joe Biden dropped out of the 2024 race.
00:01:08.000 You read the president's statement where he said that it's in the country's best interest for him to step aside.
00:01:13.000 Why is it in the country's best interest for him to step aside?
00:01:16.000 Does it have to do with his health?
00:01:17.000 It does not have to do, they have nothing to do with his health.
00:01:20.000 Nothing, absolutely nothing to do with his health.
00:01:22.000 Joe Biden had both dementia and cancer when she said that.
00:01:25.000 So, KJP, not exactly the most prolific truth teller in the country.
00:01:30.000 Now, much like her fellow Democrat Jake Tapper, she wants to come clean in a tell-all book with, I'm sure, a very hefty advance that comes along with it.
00:01:41.000 She wants to tell the truth long after any of it would have mattered.
00:01:46.000 Now, I'm not a sailor, but I have been told when a ship is capsizing, the rats all scurry to the deck to try to escape.
00:01:56.000 First Tapper, now KJP.
00:01:59.000 I predict a lot more scurrying as that Democrat ocean liner continues to go down. 0.90
00:02:07.000 I'm Michael Knowles, this is the Michael Knowles Show.
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00:03:14.000 What is this book?
00:03:16.000 Am I going to read it?
00:03:17.000 Am I going to read the KJP book?
00:03:18.000 No, I won't.
00:03:20.000 But I'll read about it at least because I want to see if she's going to give us any tea.
00:03:26.000 She probably won't.
00:03:27.000 These books always over promise and under deliver.
00:03:30.000 But what kind of exit is it for KJP?
00:03:35.000 I guess that's the politically interesting question.
00:03:38.000 On what grounds is she leaving the Democrat Party?
00:03:41.000 Is she leaving the Democrat Party because she was so disgusted with what she saw and really what she participated in in the Biden White House?
00:03:47.000 Is that why?
00:03:49.000 Or is she disgusted with the Democrat Party because of something going on today?
00:03:54.000 Well, she tells us in the book's press release.
00:03:56.000 Until January 20th, I was responsible for speaking on behalf of the President of the United States.
00:04:00.000 At noon on that day, I became a private citizen who, like all Americans and many of our allies around the world, had to contend with what comes next for our country.
00:04:07.000 I determined that the danger we face as a country requires freeing ourselves of boxes. 0.98
00:04:13.000 We need to be willing to exercise the ability to think creatively and plan strategically.
00:04:20.000 We don't need these labels, man.
00:04:23.000 What does that mean?
00:04:25.000 Is it because she's adopted right wing positions? 0.99
00:04:28.000 It drives me crazy.
00:04:30.000 People say, you've got to stop identifying with a political party.
00:04:33.000 Why?
00:04:34.000 Political parties clarify our political order.
00:04:37.000 And there is a kind of coherence to the beliefs and policies advocated by each party.
00:04:43.000 If you're a big lib, that's going to signify something for you on abortion, on immigration, on the economy, on environmental policy, on war, on all of these things.
00:04:54.000 They seem disconnected, but there is a kind of coherence to it.
00:04:57.000 And there's a kind of coherence on the right side, too.
00:04:59.000 So is it because KJP's had a big change of heart?
00:05:01.000 She's no longer a big lib? 1.00
00:05:03.000 No.
00:05:04.000 Is it because she was disgusted by the lies and deceit of the Biden White House?
00:05:09.000 No.
00:05:10.000 She's just upset that her boss didn't get to run again and she didn't get to keep her job. 0.99
00:05:14.000 She says, this is in the book's press release, Green Jean-Pierre takes us through the three weeks that led to Biden's abandoning his bid for a second term and the betrayal by the Democratic Party that led to his decision.
00:05:29.000 Betrayal.
00:05:31.000 Betrayal.
00:05:32.000 Betrayal by the Democratic Party.
00:05:33.000 The guy couldn't speak.
00:05:35.000 The guy was drooling.
00:05:37.000 The guy had dementia, obviously, and now we know, almost certainly had cancer at the time.
00:05:42.000 And the Democrats, I can't believe I'm defending the Democrats, the Democrats were kind of nudging him.
00:05:47.000 Hey, Joe, you can't speak anymore.
00:05:49.000 You can barely stand up.
00:05:50.000 How about you let someone else have a shot?
00:05:52.000 And he said no.
00:05:54.000 So it's not that KJP's beliefs have changed.
00:05:57.000 It's not even that her loyalties have changed.
00:05:59.000 She's just irritated that she lost her job. 1.00
00:06:01.000 And politically, what's crucial is she realizes that the Democrat brand is toxic.
00:06:07.000 This is the same sort of thing that you see from Republicans if they're in really Democrat areas and they want to fit in and they want to be cool and they want to get invited to parties and go on dates and stuff.
00:06:18.000 They say, oh, me, I'm kind of independent, you know, on Tinder.
00:06:22.000 I've never been on Tinder, but I'm told from many of my friends who've been on Tinder.
00:06:26.000 If someone lists his or her political views as independent, it means Republican.
00:06:31.000 But it's just when you're dating, Democrats are so vindictive they might swipe left on you if if they see that you're a Republican.
00:06:37.000 Same thing here.
00:06:38.000 Oh, yeah.
00:06:39.000 No, me.
00:06:40.000 I don't really.
00:06:41.000 I eschew labels.
00:06:42.000 I don't really.
00:06:43.000 I don't want to limit myself to.
00:06:44.000 Yeah.
00:06:45.000 Are we allowed to admit?
00:06:46.000 Yeah, I'm a Republican.
00:06:47.000 That's what that's what KJP is doing here for the Democrats. 0.93
00:06:51.000 That's what's so interesting for basically my whole life.
00:06:56.000 It has been socially acceptable and encouraged to be a Democrat.
00:06:59.000 It has been sometimes more than others socially unacceptable taboo to be a Republican.
00:07:06.000 That's now flipping.
00:07:07.000 If you want to have a mainstream career, if you want to seem like a normal person, if you want to appeal to people and sell books.
00:07:14.000 Today.
00:07:15.000 Today.
00:07:16.000 You can't admit that you're a Democrat, even if your views obviously haven't changed.
00:07:20.000 You got the Democrats today are in the position Democrats have been Republicans have been in for most of my life.
00:07:25.000 You got to hide the ball a little bit.
00:07:27.000 Me?
00:07:28.000 Oh, no, no.
00:07:29.000 I'm not a Democrat.
00:07:30.000 No, no.
00:07:31.000 I mean, I still believe all this Democrat things, but no, no.
00:07:32.000 Me?
00:07:33.000 No, no.
00:07:34.000 I'm an independent.
00:07:35.000 Was that good?
00:07:36.000 Will that get me invited to the parties?
00:07:37.000 Now, speaking of infighting, Elon continues his full frontal assault on President Trump's big, beautiful bill.
00:07:45.000 There's a lot of, a lot of a Twitter storm going on from Elon.
00:07:51.000 Now, one, one tweet that he responded to said, we have the White House, Senate and House.
00:07:58.000 It's actually from John LeFevre, who I like.
00:08:00.000 We have the White House, the Senate and the House.
00:08:02.000 It's not rocket science.
00:08:04.000 All we are asking for is legislation that aligns with what we voted for.
00:08:08.000 Elon says, yes.
00:08:10.000 And to that, I say, look, I sympathize with not liking the big spending bill.
00:08:15.000 I totally get where John and Elon are coming from.
00:08:18.000 I get it.
00:08:19.000 I sympathize.
00:08:20.000 Where I disagree, though, is that the big, beautiful bill is not what we voted for.
00:08:25.000 The big, beautiful bill is exactly what the people voted for.
00:08:28.000 It's exactly what the people voted for.
00:08:30.000 The people voted for tax cuts.
00:08:32.000 They don't want, they don't want a massive tax hike when the 2017 tax cuts expire.
00:08:36.000 So they definitely voted for that.
00:08:38.000 They voted for cutting waste fraud and abuse in the entitlement programs.
00:08:42.000 They got that.
00:08:43.000 They voted for more border funding.
00:08:45.000 They got that.
00:08:46.000 They voted for more military funding.
00:08:48.000 They got that.
00:08:49.000 The more ideologically sophisticated among them voted for a family policy.
00:08:52.000 They got that in the child tax credit.
00:08:54.000 They got the beginnings of that, at least.
00:08:56.000 They got exactly what they wanted.
00:08:59.000 They voted for no tax on tips.
00:09:01.000 They got it.
00:09:03.000 They voted for maybe raising the SALT deductions a little bit, maybe to bring over some of the moderate Republicans in the blue states.
00:09:10.000 They got exactly what they wanted.
00:09:12.000 And it's this line that I've mentioned a little more frequently in recent weeks from H.L. Mencken, that democracy is the theory that the common man knows what he wants and deserves to get it good and hard.
00:09:23.000 If you just go through, take the prices aside for a second.
00:09:26.000 You just go through every policy, every funding priority that's in the big, beautiful bill.
00:09:32.000 The Trump voting coalition, which is to say the popular vote, would say, yeah, I want all of that.
00:09:38.000 But then you show them the numbers.
00:09:40.000 They say, wait, wait, I don't want that.
00:09:41.000 I don't want to exacerbate the national debt.
00:09:44.000 I don't want to maintain a major deficit.
00:09:46.000 I don't want.
00:09:47.000 I don't want.
00:09:48.000 I don't want.
00:09:49.000 Yeah.
00:09:50.000 Okay.
00:09:51.000 So again, I don't mean to just flack for the Trump administration here, but what do you want the guy to do?
00:09:58.000 He, he and the Republicans in the House and the Senate are giving the people what they wanted.
00:10:06.000 And it turns out that what the people want involves a ton of spending.
00:10:10.000 And if the people don't want a ton of spending, then they're going to have to lose some of their priorities.
00:10:16.000 It's not, you know, there, there is something of a disconnect between the elites that run our country and the people, but it's not as great as many people think.
00:10:26.000 One of the challenges to our country as we fall into decadence and decay and overspending and mortgaging our future is, is kind of what the people want.
00:10:36.000 Politicians generally are kind of cowardly and they will pretty much just give the people what they want.
00:10:42.000 Okay.
00:10:43.000 Well, this is what you want.
00:10:44.000 Are you happy?
00:10:45.000 Are you not entertained?
00:10:46.000 Is this not why you have come?
00:10:49.000 Is that I can't tell if Elon is just a weirdly enough, a little naive here.
00:10:53.000 He's a genius.
00:10:54.000 He's extremely knowledgeable.
00:10:55.000 He's got lots of important businesses, but this is his first time in government in a really direct way.
00:11:01.000 And I wonder if he's a little, a little bit shocked by how the sausage is made.
00:11:07.000 You know, I wonder, I wonder.
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00:12:25.000 Speaking of wasting money, I love this one.
00:12:28.000 The Democrats.
00:12:29.000 The capsizing Titanic of the Democrat Party has decided to spend $20 million to figure out how to appeal to male voters.
00:12:42.000 Not even to appeal to male voters.
00:12:47.000 To study how to appeal to male voters.
00:12:51.000 They've partnered up with the Speaking with American Men Project.
00:12:56.000 Speaking with American Men Project has a two-year $20 million budget to study young men and how the Democrats can better appeal to them.
00:13:06.000 Here is just one example of some of the insight that Democrats are gleaming from their $20 million investment.
00:13:13.000 This is from one of the guys involved in Speaking with American Men.
00:13:16.000 Democrats are seen as weak, whereas Republicans are seen as strong.
00:13:23.000 How much money do you think he got paid for that insight?
00:13:25.000 How much?
00:13:27.000 I'll do it for $15 million.
00:13:29.000 Democrats, you want to give me that contract?
00:13:32.000 This proves one thing, at least.
00:13:36.000 If the Democrats are good at only one thing in the entire world, it is spending money inefficiently.
00:13:42.000 And that's what they're getting here.
00:13:44.000 I'll tell you why the Democrats don't appeal to men.
00:13:47.000 Because they don't appeal to men.
00:13:50.000 They don't say, hey men, we want your vote.
00:13:54.000 We like you.
00:13:55.000 We support you.
00:13:56.000 We'd like to help you.
00:13:58.000 And we would like you to vote for us.
00:14:00.000 They don't say that.
00:14:02.000 That's how you get people's votes.
00:14:04.000 And they won't do it.
00:14:06.000 Instead, they'll say, hey men, you're disgusting pigs and you're toxic and you're all crypto rapists.
00:14:12.000 You're all at the very least potential rapists and probably murderers too.
00:14:16.000 You're certainly racist and bigoted.
00:14:18.000 We hate you.
00:14:19.000 You're disgusting.
00:14:20.000 You repulse us.
00:14:21.000 If you repulse us, the country would be much better off without you.
00:14:24.000 Why?
00:14:27.000 Why?
00:14:28.000 Does anyone know why these men aren't voting for us?
00:14:31.000 Hey, give me $20 million.
00:14:32.000 I want to figure out why these men aren't voting for us.
00:14:35.000 The left has a misandrist problem.
00:14:40.000 Misandry, like misogyny, misandry.
00:14:43.000 Do you know that word?
00:14:44.000 That's a good word to tuck away.
00:14:46.000 You don't hear it very much because the libs don't like men and they don't care about any injustice against men. 1.00
00:14:51.000 But they have this problem.
00:14:53.000 They don't like men.
00:14:54.000 And it's not just an accident.
00:14:56.000 And it's not just from wokeness or political correctness or something.
00:15:00.000 It goes all the way down to the liberal understanding of men and women.
00:15:04.000 Conservatives, we like men and we like women.
00:15:09.000 The libs like to accuse us of not liking women, but the women don't even buy that. 1.00
00:15:14.000 Women largely vote for Republicans and even 40% of women under the age of 30 in this last election voted for Republicans.
00:15:20.000 So why is it that the Republicans don't have this problem of hating men or hating women?
00:15:26.000 Because we view men and women as complementary.
00:15:29.000 So at a fundamental human nature level, we think that men need women and women need men. 0.79
00:15:36.000 We think that babies need mommy and daddy.
00:15:39.000 Democrats don't think that.
00:15:41.000 They certainly don't think babies need mommy and daddy.
00:15:44.000 And the Democrats don't think that men and women are complementary.
00:15:48.000 The Democrats believe, the liberals believe, that men and women are identical for all intents and purposes.
00:15:54.000 Indiscernible.
00:15:55.000 And therefore, in competition with each other.
00:15:59.000 If a woman's going to get ahead, she's got to dislodge a man from his position of privilege. 1.00
00:16:05.000 That's how the libs view the sexes. 1.00
00:16:08.000 That's not how we view it.
00:16:10.000 I'm not in competition with my wife.
00:16:11.000 We do different things.
00:16:12.000 So there's really, it'd be easy for the Democrats if they could say, all right, we're going to spend 20 million bucks, get this survey, and then we're going to tell our politicians to stop being so nasty to men.
00:16:23.000 It's not that easy because their view of human nature requires them to view men and women as in a competition, as hostile one to the other.
00:16:35.000 And they've got to pick one or the other.
00:16:37.000 I don't think they're going to become misogynist, so they're going to be misandrists.
00:16:40.000 And they're going to continue to repel young men, which is happy enough for me. 1.00
00:16:45.000 We in the Republican Party are happy to take you.
00:16:47.000 Now, speaking of what the young men want, there's a Democrat activist, Olivia Juliana, very prominent on social media, young whippersnapper trying to gather all the young votes for Dems.
00:17:00.000 I got to give a hat tip to libs of TikTok here.
00:17:03.000 She found this clip of this prominent young Democrat activist explaining how to appeal to men in rhetorical terms.
00:17:12.000 I spent a lot of time on college campuses and I spent a lot of time with young men.
00:17:18.000 You love young men.
00:17:19.000 I love young men.
00:17:20.000 I love frat guys.
00:17:22.000 And in that, I've realized, like, even the ones that identify as conservative are almost always pro-choice.
00:17:29.000 They're almost always pro-gay marriage. 0.86
00:17:31.000 You'd be surprised at the number of them who supported Black Lives Matter.
00:17:35.000 And so I feel like people just kind of lump them into this box when the truth is, again, a lot of them are with us on the issues.
00:17:44.000 They're just not part of our coalition because they feel like they're not welcomed in it.
00:17:47.000 Yeah, no, that's not true.
00:17:50.000 The views she's expressing are laughable.
00:17:54.000 Even, let's say, that the frat guys that she's supposedly talking to are open to abortion. 0.66
00:18:00.000 That might be true.
00:18:01.000 She says even the conservative ones.
00:18:02.000 I'm skeptical even the conservative ones.
00:18:04.000 But plenty of young college guys are open to abortion, either because they want to be able to have promiscuous sex and not be accountable for it, or because they want to flatter young women, some of whom are rabidly pro-abortion, and they're willing to sacrifice their integrity in order to sleep with them.
00:18:21.000 So maybe.
00:18:22.000 Let's put that one as a maybe.
00:18:24.000 Most of the frat guys are pro-LGBT.
00:18:27.000 No, they're not.
00:18:29.000 No, they're not.
00:18:31.000 They're not.
00:18:32.000 Even when I was a young man in college, at a very gay university, at the height of all the super gay stuff, I think that peaked somewhere in the early to mid-20-teens. 0.73
00:18:44.000 Even then, like, nah, the frat guys were not.
00:18:49.000 They're not pro-LGBT.
00:18:51.000 Okay.
00:18:52.000 And then the cherry on top.
00:18:53.000 Pro-BLM. 0.95
00:18:54.000 Pro-BLM. 0.95
00:18:55.000 You think the way that you're going to win over fraternity brothers for the Democrat party is to go over there and start talking about St. George Floyd and the supposed lynching of, what was his name?
00:19:09.000 Michael Brown, the criminal who charged the cop and grabbed his gun, and then the Democrats lied about it for two years?
00:19:15.000 You think that's how you're going to get young frat guys talking about black power and solidarity and America's evil and take a knee at the football games?
00:19:21.000 I don't think so, honey.
00:19:22.000 That's not going to work.
00:19:23.000 And so, why even listen to this woman? 1.00
00:19:27.000 Because, one, it makes me feel more comfortable for the midterms and the 2028 election.
00:19:32.000 But two, it shows you, she's so wrong on her substantive view of things, but it shows you even the young Democrats, even the radical Democrats, know that Democrats have this existential problem with men.
00:19:48.000 Even the most diehard true blue believers, young, inflexible, sticking to their guns, even they realize the Democrat ship is capsizing right now.
00:20:01.000 And they need to fix something.
00:20:03.000 And the end, they just have no idea how to do it.
00:20:07.000 This woman sincerely believes that the way to attract young, normal, conservative men back to the Democrat Party is to brag about killing babies, be super gay, and exalt George Floyd. 0.80
00:20:24.000 Cool, cool, good luck.
00:20:26.400 Let's see how it plays out.
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00:20:57.740 Now, speaking of how to win over the liberals, speaking of the makeup of the Democrat Party, Nate Silver has an interesting survey out.
00:21:10.640 Nate Silver, you know, the pollster from FiveThirtyEight, one of the most prominent political observers and pollsters and statisticians of our time.
00:21:19.760 Nate Silver says that actually there's a fundamental psychological difference between the libs and the conservatives, namely that the libs are crazy.
00:21:31.020 This is Nate Silver, who's kind of a lib himself.
00:21:32.860 He observes that liberals are more than twice as likely to say they have poor mental health.
00:21:40.460 Conservatives are more than twice as likely than the liberals to say their mental well-being is excellent.
00:21:45.620 This comes from data that was collected in the 2022 Cooperative Election Study.
00:21:52.420 This is from Tufts, reported by Nate Silver.
00:21:56.780 Among voters who said that they had poor mental health, 45% identified as liberal, 19% as conservatives.
00:22:06.660 Among those who say they had excellent mental health, the majority of them, 51%, identified as conservative, only 20% were liberal.
00:22:15.620 This is not exactly man bites dog.
00:22:17.400 I'm not even just joking.
00:22:18.260 It's like, oh, those libs, they're crazy, aren't they?
00:22:19.940 I mean, this is backed up in survey after survey that people who are more anxious, more depressed, more neurotic, more likely to have these psychological conditions are much more likely to be liberal.
00:22:31.820 So this is not exactly a man bites dog story.
00:22:34.940 But why?
00:22:38.720 Why are the libs so crazy? 0.81
00:22:40.800 I think this, too, comes down to the essence of the political ideology.
00:22:46.200 Because liberalism comes about in the Enlightenment, really solidifies in the French Revolution, develops in all its various ways into classical liberalism, libertarianism, progressive liberalism, socialism and communism are kind of cousins to liberalism or even offshoots of it.
00:23:05.080 But something they all share is that all of these ideologies seek to change the world in a fundamental way.
00:23:15.200 Classical liberalism less so.
00:23:17.740 Classical liberalism at least says that it wants to understand the world and work in accord with nature.
00:23:24.400 Though in practice, a lot of classical liberalism involved eradicating old institutions, eradicating tradition and old ways of life.
00:23:32.660 But at least classical liberalism recognizes that fundamentally transforming the world is unlikely to work, even though liberalism does endeavor to do that.
00:23:40.060 The other forms, libertarianism, progressive liberalism, socialism, communism, they all pretty explicitly seek fundamentally to change the world.
00:23:48.460 And you can't.
00:23:49.700 This was the subject of my Ave Maria University commencement speech this year.
00:23:55.480 You can't change the world.
00:23:56.920 You shouldn't change the world.
00:23:58.260 That's the classic advice in liberal self-help, therapeutic culture.
00:24:01.740 But it's a bad idea because the world is not going to change.
00:24:04.740 The world is as it is.
00:24:06.540 And what you should do is seek to understand the world and live in accord with nature and to cooperate with supernatural grace so that you can be transformed.
00:24:15.520 So that the love that created the world can transform you.
00:24:19.820 That's really what you're after.
00:24:22.360 Bringing it back to earth a little bit.
00:24:25.160 If your political ideology comes down to, as George Bernard Shaw says, some people see things that are and say why.
00:24:30.980 I dream things that never were and say why not.
00:24:32.880 You're going to get frustrated.
00:24:33.940 Because the liberal worldview is just a little disconnected from reality.
00:24:40.920 Why does marriage have to be what it always has been?
00:24:44.020 Why does this baby have to grow inside?
00:24:46.560 Why can't I just get rid of the baby? 0.90
00:24:48.440 Why do people behave the way they behave?
00:24:51.000 Why, why, why?
00:24:53.360 You get very frustrated and anxious.
00:24:54.900 Whereas if you live in a resigned acceptance of reality as it is, and you endeavor to do your best within the confines of reality, you're much more likely to be happy.
00:25:08.380 Now, speaking of health, we turn from mental health to, well, all of our health, public health.
00:25:16.680 Chinese nationals are trying to poison our food through our universities. 1.00
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00:26:55.300 Yun Ching-chan, 33 years old, and Sun Yong-lu, 34 years old, have been charged with conspiracy, smuggling goods into the United States, false statements, and visa fraud.
00:27:09.120 Because Yun Ching-chan was working at a university, and her boyfriend, Sun Yong-lu, was smuggling in toxic fungus that could poison the U.S. food supply. 0.85
00:27:25.780 And apparently, what they were going to do was work on these pathogens at the university, this is the University of Michigan, and they might have already been working on it.
00:27:37.120 At least Lou, no, Jan is the girl, and Lou is the guy.
00:27:43.880 I'll try to remember that, because they both sound like men's names, John and Lou, but in any case, John was the girl.
00:27:51.100 She might have already been working on it.
00:27:52.400 Lou, when he tried to come into the country, was turned around at the Detroit airport.
00:27:55.640 He was just sent back, and they abandoned his poor girlfriend.
00:27:58.320 His poor girlfriend, I guess, has been arrested.
00:28:02.340 Why?
00:28:02.740 Why are the Chinese sending students to bring toxic fungus to American university campuses? 1.00
00:28:09.880 First of all, most things on university campuses are toxic today, so had the fungus made it, it would have fit in just fine.
00:28:17.320 But the reason that the CCP is trying to bring fungus to the campuses is to work on it, to investigate it.
00:28:25.860 You know, there are a lot of scientific instruments available to them to work on this, and presumably, in case they need to use it.
00:28:35.560 These guys have ties to the Chinese Communist Party, as do many students of Chinese origin who are at American universities, which is why Marco Rubio is going to revoke a lot of their visas.
00:28:48.820 Why is the CCP targeting campuses?
00:28:50.680 Because the CCP understands something that American liberals have understood for many decades at this point, and that conservatives need to figure out, which is that the campuses matter.
00:29:04.180 The campuses really matter.
00:29:05.720 They're power centers.
00:29:07.420 They produce elites who will go on to run the country.
00:29:11.080 They conduct scientific research.
00:29:14.180 They are a nexus for powerful people coming out.
00:29:18.040 They matter, okay?
00:29:20.000 And the conservative view, and I've heard many conservatives say this, and I've heard relatively few state the opposite opinion, which is they'll say, oh, who cares about the stupid campuses?
00:29:31.120 Let the left have them. 0.94
00:29:32.160 Oh, who cares?
00:29:32.940 You know, don't go to college.
00:29:34.660 Oh, no, it's all dumb.
00:29:36.140 It's all a waste of time.
00:29:37.020 You're just sitting around reading Derrida or whatever.
00:29:38.860 You need to go out and get a job.
00:29:40.960 Let the left have the campuses.
00:29:42.340 They're all stupid anyway.
00:29:44.580 That's not the CCP's opinion.
00:29:46.020 That's not the American left's opinion.
00:29:47.140 The American left worked doggedly to take over the university campuses because they realize it's powerful.
00:29:53.720 And so, if conservatives want to do anything, we need to exert a little power in those areas.
00:30:01.180 We need to exert a little control.
00:30:02.360 We need to make sure, as President Trump is demonstrating beautifully in the case of Harvard and other schools, but especially Harvard, we need to make sure that the mission of the university is ideally in line with our national and political mission, but at the very least, not totally contrary to it.
00:30:19.420 This is not, the toxic fungus is not the first time the Chinese have tried to take over American universities. 1.00
00:30:26.100 They had the Confucius Institutes.
00:30:27.660 They continue to fund the universities through the tuition of their elite children and through all sorts of other grants.
00:30:34.180 And they buy them off because they know they're very powerful places.
00:30:37.060 And conservatives should play that game too.
00:30:38.500 Now, speaking of young people, a marvelous, marvelous essay by my friend Madeline Kearns, who's been on this show a number of times.
00:30:48.140 Maddie Kearns writes in the Free Press, how Catholicism got cool.
00:30:52.420 Young Americans and people around the world are flocking to the Catholic Church.
00:30:56.100 The Free Press spoke to them to find out why.
00:31:00.540 This is not surprising.
00:31:01.860 A lot of you have noticed this.
00:31:03.120 There is a return to faith broadly.
00:31:05.800 The declining Christianity of the past several decades has leveled out.
00:31:08.960 But there is a turn toward Catholicism in particular.
00:31:13.500 Why?
00:31:14.980 Because young people, many if not most of whom have been raised without religion or without conscious religion, want something solid.
00:31:24.580 And I don't care if you're the most anti-Catholic person out there and you disagree with the veneration of saints and you don't believe in transubstantiation and you hate the Pope or what I'm not.
00:31:37.880 Even the most anti-Catholic person has to admit the Catholic Church is pretty solid.
00:31:43.300 It's the only institution in the West that has persisted from classical antiquity from roughly the year 33 AD all the way up to the present.
00:31:56.380 There are no other institutions in the West that have done that.
00:31:59.820 It's solid.
00:32:02.500 Also, the church makes authoritative claims.
00:32:06.820 Other institutions, including religious institutions, they seem to change their mind left and right.
00:32:10.880 Okay, now this week we're going to have women priests. 1.00
00:32:14.180 You know, this week we're going to redefine marriage. 0.91
00:32:16.120 This week we're going to accept abortion or contraception.
00:32:18.940 The Catholic Church, again, I don't care if you're the most anti-Catholic person in the world.
00:32:23.800 The Catholic Church doesn't really change its opinions, does it?
00:32:28.120 Does she?
00:32:29.640 No.
00:32:30.600 No women priests. 1.00
00:32:32.260 No gay marriage. 1.00
00:32:34.000 No contraception.
00:32:35.980 No, none of that.
00:32:37.120 And in part, this is because the church, with the weight of the magisterium, can't just start changing stuff.
00:32:44.020 Can't just start inventing new doctrines.
00:32:46.240 We just had a relatively very liberal pope.
00:32:49.780 And even that pope, Pope Francis, was constrained.
00:32:53.040 Even if he had wanted to be a radical innovator, he was really constrained.
00:32:57.480 And some of the things that he wanted to do, some of the things, he was a little unclear about whether or not cohabitating people are effectively married.
00:33:05.460 That was one issue that it sounded like Pope Francis was saying that people who aren't married but who are living together in a state of grave mortal sin are, like, basically married.
00:33:14.100 And it just was reported in the news that Pope Leo XIV has come out and kind of clarified, no, no, no, that's not how it works.
00:33:19.920 In case you misunderstood, that's not how it works.
00:33:22.800 So I think the solidity is part of the reason why people are converting, especially young people.
00:33:27.080 But the other thing is, we've just come out of the trans nonsense, and I think that's over. 1.00
00:33:32.880 I think transgenderism is well on its way to being eradicated from public life entirely. 1.00
00:33:37.900 People don't believe it.
00:33:39.140 It's a punchline, again.
00:33:41.780 After the trans nonsense, people want incarnational and sacramental religion. 1.00
00:33:48.280 Christianity is, by definition, incarnational, and I think sacramental as well.
00:33:52.260 But the trans idea said, your identity has nothing to do with your body.
00:33:58.480 And Christianity says, no, the body matters.
00:34:01.740 We're not Gnostics.
00:34:03.580 We're not Albigensians.
00:34:05.880 We're not Manichaeans.
00:34:08.380 We're not any of these ancient heresies that kind of minimize the role of the body.
00:34:13.740 We are body and soul, and the body matters.
00:34:16.880 And the body has something to do with my identity.
00:34:18.400 And if I want to worship in a real way, I'm not just going to go sit in my little room and close my eyes and not engage with my body at all.
00:34:24.980 Because, for goodness, the body matters so much that our Lord becomes flesh and dwells among us, is born to a woman in Bethlehem.
00:34:35.700 It matters.
00:34:36.480 And he tells us, you've got to eat my flesh and drink my blood, or you won't have life in you.
00:34:42.420 And he actually tells his apostles that on multiple occasions.
00:34:45.060 That, I think, is the draw.
00:34:48.620 Because a lot of modern religion, just like modern political ideology, minimizes the role of the body, minimizes the role of flesh,
00:34:54.940 pretends that we're all just atoms floating in outer space, without beginning, without end, never going to die.
00:34:59.600 And reality ain't that.
00:35:01.560 Very good stuff.
00:35:03.340 I like it.
00:35:03.840 I encourage you all to go read Maddie's column, talking to the young people, giving their reasons.
00:35:10.080 These are my reasons.
00:35:11.740 But listen to the young people in their own words.
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00:35:41.780 My favorite comment yesterday is from Samantha Ross in 4216, who says,
00:35:46.020 Now that I know Michael comes from a Navy family, his intro makes a lot more sense.
00:35:50.240 Uh-huh.
00:35:50.960 Mm-hmm.
00:35:51.780 Yeah.
00:35:52.780 Mm-hmm.
00:35:54.680 I was waiting for that one.
00:35:55.480 When the producers were sending over the comments today, here are your selection of 10 comments you can pick from.
00:35:59.540 So, Professor Jacob actually sent that one over separately, said,
00:36:02.420 Michael, you can read the other ones if you want, but this one, I think this one really gets it.
00:36:06.560 Yeah.
00:36:06.840 Okay.
00:36:08.240 Speaking of religion, Britain effectively has blasphemy laws again.
00:36:14.120 The UK has and is enforcing blasphemy laws.
00:36:20.000 Not to protect Christianity, of course.
00:36:22.380 No, no.
00:36:22.720 So, you might guess which religious group is being protected by the anti-blasphemy laws.
00:36:29.320 It would be the group that has conquered the entire United Kingdom. 0.62
00:36:32.800 It would be our friends, the Muslims.
00:36:35.560 Hamit Koskun is a 50-year-old, get this, Turkish-born Armenian Kurdish atheist.
00:36:45.640 I do not encourage atheism for anyone.
00:36:48.360 Atheism is wrong.
00:36:50.140 It's spiritually very dark for you, and it's just wrong. 0.98
00:36:53.980 It's just not true.
00:36:55.380 But I kind of get, if you're born in Turkey and you're Armenian and Kurdish, I get how you might be a little religiously confused.
00:37:01.740 He migrated to Britain, and he was just convicted of a, quote,
00:37:05.980 religiously aggravated public order offense over a February protest that he took part in,
00:37:12.540 in which he burned a Quran outside of the Turkish consulate in London.
00:37:16.220 So, a guy born in Turkey, who is Armenian, part of a group that has been genocided or nearly genocided on multiple occasions, 0.93
00:37:24.300 the oldest Christian country in the world, a Christian nation before the Edict of Milan legalized Christianity in the Roman Empire.
00:37:31.460 He's also Kurdish, knows a thing or two about Islam.
00:37:35.160 Now he's an atheist.
00:37:36.620 He burns a Quran.
00:37:37.300 And he wasn't convicted of blasphemy, exactly.
00:37:41.600 It was a religiously aggravated public order offense.
00:37:44.360 But it's effectively a blasphemy law.
00:37:45.880 Now, of course, if someone burned a Bible in the UK, of course, that person would never be prosecuted.
00:37:51.900 This is a special carve-out for Islam, and therein lies the problem. 1.00
00:37:56.240 For a country like the UK, for a country like the United States, therein lies the problem.
00:37:59.860 The libs are going to tell you that the problem with this law is that it's effectively a blasphemy law.
00:38:05.160 That's not the problem.
00:38:06.080 The problem is not that it's protecting religious taboos and the sacred things.
00:38:12.480 The problem is it's protecting the wrong religious type taboos, and it's mistaking the sacred.
00:38:18.120 That's the problem.
00:38:21.680 I've seen a lot of people post about this from the United States.
00:38:24.560 They say, this is crazy.
00:38:25.400 Thank goodness we're not like the UK, and we don't have blasphemy laws. 0.96
00:38:28.940 Blasphemy laws are anti-freedom.
00:38:31.040 They're a counter to our constitution.
00:38:33.240 It's un-American. 0.82
00:38:33.860 That is not true.
00:38:37.560 It's not true.
00:38:39.620 That's not a conservative opinion.
00:38:42.080 It's a very liberal opinion.
00:38:43.840 And like many liberal opinions, it's not true.
00:38:46.520 We have had blasphemy laws in America for most of our nation's history.
00:38:50.560 Even just since the founding in the late 18th century, if you include America going back to the early 17th century, that is Jamestown and Plymouth and all of the early settlements, then we've had blasphemy laws in America for the vast majority of American history. 0.54
00:39:08.180 But even still, even if you just go back to the late 18th century, we've had blasphemy laws in America for most of our history.
00:39:16.100 That all ended.
00:39:17.520 Well, that actually didn't even all end.
00:39:19.120 It started to end 1952.
00:39:22.200 Not 1852, not 1902, 1952, in Burstyn v. Wilson.
00:39:30.560 Burstyn v. Wilson held that the New York State blasphemy law was an unconstitutional prior restraint on freedom of speech.
00:39:37.200 But that didn't settle the matter.
00:39:40.120 25 years later, 1977, Pennsylvania passed another blasphemy law.
00:39:45.980 And that other blasphemy law was on the books for 33 years, which is the holy life, actually. 1.00
00:39:52.700 Kind of interesting.
00:39:53.800 That blasphemy law was on the books until 2010, when it was ruled by some district court judge to be unconstitutional.
00:40:00.540 The issue is not blasphemy laws per se.
00:40:03.520 Anyway, the issue is what is understood to constitute blasphemy.
00:40:08.100 As you know, it's a little hobby horse of mine.
00:40:09.960 I've pointed out there are all sorts of speech that have never been considered to be protected by the First Amendment.
00:40:14.620 Obscenity, fraud, direct threats, all that kind of stuff.
00:40:19.140 Blasphemy, until 1952, was understood to be the kind of thing that you can discourage as a matter of law.
00:40:27.580 And the response to that is, the liberal response is always going to be,
00:40:31.760 Well, who's blasphemy?
00:40:33.260 Who's going to define what the blasphemy is?
00:40:35.460 You know, is it going to be the Muslims who define it? 0.99
00:40:38.020 Or the Jews? 0.99
00:40:39.000 Or the Zoroastrians? 0.97
00:40:39.880 Or the Christians? 0.99
00:40:42.040 The Christians. 0.69
00:40:43.280 That's who.
00:40:44.180 Because we're a Christian country.
00:40:45.900 So we have religious toleration.
00:40:48.320 We have a long history of religious toleration with the Jews.
00:40:50.920 We have a more recent history of religious toleration with the Muslims.
00:40:53.880 I don't know if we have any Zoroastrians in the country since Freddie Mercury died.
00:40:56.600 But sure, we have religious toleration.
00:40:58.500 But we're a Christian country.
00:40:59.580 So it would be the Christians who would decide that. 0.98
00:41:03.420 But you don't even need to get all too sectarian about it.
00:41:08.240 We all kind of know what blasphemy is.
00:41:12.820 Mocking God.
00:41:14.120 You know, we don't like that.
00:41:15.620 We don't want to do that.
00:41:16.400 I think that's a bad idea.
00:41:17.900 And then you know the liberal response.
00:41:19.560 You say, you authoritarian, you fascist, you anti-American.
00:41:22.080 Hold on, you can't call me anti-American.
00:41:23.620 I just proved to you that for most of American history, we had blasphemy laws. 0.83
00:41:27.980 So on my side of the argument is every American until 1952.
00:41:33.540 On your side of the argument is all of the people since the middle of the 20th century when our country went to pot.
00:41:39.200 So don't tell me you're the strong conservative here.
00:41:42.140 All the conservatives are on my side.
00:41:44.960 And even the liberals in America were on my side until the middle of the 20th century.
00:41:48.620 But the liberal response then is going to be, okay, all right, I won't call you anti-American.
00:41:52.640 I won't call you fascist or this or that.
00:41:54.640 But, Michael, you're just, you're being too capricious with the law.
00:42:00.080 You're being too arbitrary because how can anyone really even know what blasphemy is, you know?
00:42:06.780 How are we supposed to know who God is and therefore what it would mean to attack God?
00:42:12.960 And I say, you know, well, okay, because we have a conscience and we know the difference between good and bad.
00:42:21.360 And some of them are going to say, well, do we?
00:42:23.140 What's good?
00:42:23.380 Maybe your good is my bad.
00:42:24.320 Maybe my bad is your good.
00:42:25.100 Okay.
00:42:25.420 Well, if you think that, you believe that, then we can't have a government because government exists to distinguish between good and bad and to promote good and to discourage bad.
00:42:39.120 That is the basic charge of government.
00:42:42.180 And it is the first precept of the natural law that good is to be done and evil avoided.
00:42:48.240 So, I know there are going to be many people on the right who say, Michael, this is too far defending blasphemy laws.
00:42:53.120 Well, no, I guess you got to ask yourself this question.
00:42:55.560 Why did everyone just about think blasphemy laws were totally fine until the middle of the 20th century at the earliest and really until much later?
00:43:09.780 Why did Pennsylvanians in 1977 think that blasphemy laws were fine?
00:43:13.800 Why did that law only get overturned in 2010, 15 years ago?
00:43:19.100 Maybe it's not that all those people are totally crazy.
00:43:22.200 Maybe we're the ones who have gone a little bit crazy in pretending that we can't distinguish between good and bad.
00:43:28.280 Maybe that's a little crazy for a country that fancies itself as self-government.
00:43:31.380 Now, speaking of modern religious standards, there's a story.
00:43:34.780 I really want to get to it.
00:43:36.080 I really want to get to it.
00:43:38.540 But we're running out of time.
00:43:40.420 I'll give you a little teaser.
00:43:41.320 You know I'm a tease.
00:43:41.840 The libs and the LGBT people are very, very upset because LGBT characters in TV shows have declined by 36% this year.
00:43:55.660 Over a third down on the LGBT LMNOP characters.
00:44:00.620 This is according to GLADS.
00:44:02.480 That's a pro-LGBT group.
00:44:05.320 Their annual report.
00:44:08.380 Even Hollywood is turning on the LGBT pride stuff.
00:44:11.600 We'll get to what that means tomorrow.
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