The Michael Knowles Show - June 16, 2025


Ep. 1755 - Most People Don't Get It： The Israel-Iran War Explained


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Trump vetoes a plan to kill Iran's supreme leader. Two Minnesota lawmakers are shot and killed. What does that have to do with Iran? And why does it matter to the rest of the world? Today on the Knowles Show, Michael talks about it.

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00:00:37.680 Are we at war with Iran?
00:00:39.640 According to President Trump, we are not yet, but soon could be, if Iran does not agree to a nuclear deal.
00:00:45.840 But of course, the U.S. is involved in basically every event around the world.
00:00:49.620 So President Trump's statement to me sounds less like a disinterested analysis and more like a threat.
00:00:56.080 More like a negotiation from the man who wrote the art of the deal.
00:00:59.920 There's a news story out from Reuters reporting that President Trump has been restraining the Israelis by vetoing a plan to assassinate Iran's supreme leader.
00:01:08.640 Which, likewise, strikes me less like a news report and more like a negotiation and a threat.
00:01:15.180 As if Trump is saying, hey, mullahs, I told the Israelis not to kill you, but don't test my patience.
00:01:22.280 I could not tell them that, too.
00:01:25.040 Pundits and activists on both sides of the aisle are fuming over this war.
00:01:30.380 On the one side, you've got the hawks screaming that Iran is five minutes away from building a nuclear bomb.
00:01:36.780 And the fate of the world rests on our glassing Iran right now.
00:01:40.060 On the other side, you've got the doves screaming that this war is nothing more than a fight between two dusty countries in the Middle East,
00:01:47.860 one of which is dragging us against our will into war.
00:01:51.300 And as usual, the people in politics who are screaming their heads off don't know what they're talking about.
00:01:59.100 They're wrong.
00:01:59.940 That's a good rule of thumb.
00:02:00.960 If someone's screaming his head off, it probably doesn't have the tightest grip on reality.
00:02:04.960 This war is not about what anybody seems to think it's about.
00:02:10.220 So we will get into what it is.
00:02:11.540 I'm Michael Knowles.
00:02:12.200 This is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:02:31.960 Welcome back to the show.
00:02:33.280 A lot of death on the show today.
00:02:35.600 Two Minnesota lawmakers have been shot.
00:02:38.820 One of them, along with the spouse, has died.
00:02:41.540 The shooter, we're learning a little bit more about the shooter.
00:02:44.920 This is the weirdest shooter story, politician assassin story that I have heard since Butler, Pennsylvania,
00:02:52.820 since President Trump came within one twentieth of an inch of getting his head blown off.
00:02:56.620 Really bizarre stuff.
00:02:59.120 The Dems are saying he's a Republican.
00:03:00.640 The Republicans are saying he's a Democrat.
00:03:01.920 The story's even weirder than that.
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00:04:23.300 What is the war in Iran really about?
00:04:26.380 So the update is the Israelis have gone in. 1.00
00:04:31.580 They've just decapitated the top of the Iranian military establishment.
00:04:36.540 They have gone in.
00:04:37.980 They haven't yet killed the Supreme Leader, though President Trump is suggesting
00:04:41.740 the only reason they haven't yet is because he's told them not to, that the Israelis have lost.
00:04:46.700 I think the number today is up to 24 people.
00:04:50.200 Last night it was 14 people.
00:04:51.800 I guess now it's being reported it's closer to two dozen.
00:04:54.720 The Iranians have lost like hundreds of people.
00:04:56.960 So it's a much, much larger casualty count in Iran.
00:05:02.040 What's this really about?
00:05:04.480 On the one hand, you have the hawks saying that Iran is five minutes away from a nuclear weapon.
00:05:10.720 And if we don't stop them right now, if we don't go into this war right now, then the world is going to end.
00:05:18.080 The fate of the world rests upon the Israelis going in and attacking Iran right now. 0.99
00:05:23.480 I don't totally buy that.
00:05:25.500 On the other hand, you have these isolationists.
00:05:27.720 And in some cases, you have isolationists, critics of the state of Israel, and in some cases, actual anti-Semites who just don't like the Jews on an ethnic basis.
00:05:38.440 You've got all of them accusing Israel of dragging us, kicking and screaming into a war that we want no part of, but they're just dog walking us into this war.
00:05:47.660 I don't really buy that either.
00:05:49.100 So what is actually going on here?
00:05:52.800 I think what's actually going on is much bigger than either of those things.
00:05:55.740 The question you've got to ask yourself is why now?
00:06:00.080 Why are the Israelis going in now? 1.00
00:06:03.580 The official story is because Iran is five seconds away from a nuclear bomb.
00:06:06.920 I don't really buy that.
00:06:07.920 We've been hearing that Iran is five minutes away from a nuclear bomb since the early 80s, okay?
00:06:12.320 Then we heard it again in the early 90s, and we heard it in the early 2000s.
00:06:15.220 I don't buy that exactly.
00:06:18.140 Iran definitely wants a nuclear weapon.
00:06:19.860 Iran definitely has a nuclear program.
00:06:22.860 The Israelis are arguing that the International Atomic Energy Agency, the IAEA, has a new report that came out in June to show that Iran is five seconds away from a bomb, and that's why they had to go in.
00:06:34.700 But the IAEA actually kind of denies that justification.
00:06:38.760 So I don't think that's really it.
00:06:39.700 I think the reason that the Israelis went in now is not really primarily about a nuclear weapon.
00:06:46.940 I think it's about regime change in Iran.
00:06:49.600 They believe that Iran poses an existential threat to the state of Israel.
00:06:52.940 Iran has said, isn't it in the Iranian constitution they want to wipe out the state of Israel?
00:06:57.560 So they see an existential threat there.
00:06:59.260 They see that the mullahs are weak right now. 0.91
00:07:03.140 And as a result of the war that followed the October 7th attack, the Israelis have systematically taken out all of Iran's proxies.
00:07:11.020 So Hamas, which is just a proxy for Iran, neutered.
00:07:14.980 Hezbollah, which is just a proxy for Iran, neutered with those pagers, literally neutered in that case. 0.81
00:07:20.700 The Houthis have been taken out largely by the Americans.
00:07:26.380 So Iran is really vulnerable.
00:07:28.540 They don't really have a lot of their proxies left.
00:07:30.940 So that's why it's not primarily about the bomb.
00:07:33.720 It's primarily about regime change.
00:07:35.080 The reason why right now is not because Iran's five seconds away from a bomb, though I'm sure they're advancing in their nuclear program. 0.96
00:07:40.880 The reason right now is because Iran is super weak because the mullahs are super weak. 0.99
00:07:45.380 Okay, so then is this just about the Israelis dragging us, kicking and screaming into a war? 0.59
00:07:51.160 I don't think it's really about that either because a lot of people don't like the mullahs in Iran.
00:07:57.900 Saudi Arabia doesn't really like the mullahs in Iran.
00:08:00.560 Egypt doesn't really like the mullahs in Iran.
00:08:02.700 The United States obviously doesn't really like the mullahs in Iran.
00:08:05.600 Even some other countries.
00:08:08.580 Qatar.
00:08:09.880 Well, even around the Middle East, Bahrain doesn't like the mullahs in Iran.
00:08:12.780 You know, the list goes on and on.
00:08:13.940 But even other countries, Qatar.
00:08:15.400 Qatar kind of helps Iran proxies sometimes, but Qatar also sucks up to the United States.
00:08:20.420 And Qatar also gives us nice airplanes.
00:08:22.680 And so I don't know that Qatar would be so upset if the mullahs in Iran went away.
00:08:27.080 Turkey.
00:08:27.400 Turkey, we have tensions with Turkey, but also Turkey is a NATO ally going back to the 50s.
00:08:34.660 So we kind of play nice with them.
00:08:37.260 And I don't think Turkey would be so upset if the mullahs in Iran went away.
00:08:40.800 So I think what you're seeing here is great power politics.
00:08:44.120 Because who are the allies of the mullahs?
00:08:46.940 The allies of the mullahs in Iran are Russia, China.
00:08:51.280 Those are the big powers.
00:08:53.340 Venezuela.
00:08:54.740 North Korea.
00:08:56.820 Places that we don't get along with and that our allies don't really get along with either.
00:09:00.600 This is, what's going on in Iran is a great power struggle. 0.84
00:09:06.500 That's what it is.
00:09:07.140 What's going on in Ukraine is a great power struggle.
00:09:10.260 Very often, these wars that break out are great power struggles.
00:09:15.160 Very rarely, certainly in geopolitics, but even in domestic politics, very rarely is the apparent issue the whole story.
00:09:24.300 We think we're fighting over one tiny little issue, but really there's a lot more going on.
00:09:27.920 There are coalitions that have been built.
00:09:29.820 There are great power struggles.
00:09:32.520 How did World War II break out?
00:09:34.420 Why did World War II break out?
00:09:36.520 Can you explain in one sentence how and why World War II broke out?
00:09:39.880 Even people who are going to say it's because Hitler invaded, what, Poland?
00:09:43.860 I guess Czechoslovakia?
00:09:46.180 Austria?
00:09:46.940 I don't know.
00:09:47.600 France?
00:09:48.120 I don't know.
00:09:49.220 Was it become a global war because the Japanese hit Pearl Harbor?
00:09:52.680 Even harder than that, how did World War I break out?
00:09:56.300 Is it because a Serbian nationalist shot the Archduke Franz Ferdinand?
00:09:59.980 I guess technically that's why, but obviously there was much more going on.
00:10:03.740 There were major great power struggles, and that's what's going on here.
00:10:07.480 The reason this is breaking out now is because of the context of a longstanding great power struggle,
00:10:12.680 which is not completely separate from the war in Ukraine.
00:10:17.300 Trump was asked about the strikes, and he's been playing it cool as a cucumber.
00:10:21.180 He says, look, we didn't do this.
00:10:22.640 We're not part of this.
00:10:23.440 Iran better not hit our bases. 1.00
00:10:25.820 He said, but, and this is according to reporting from CNN, but everyone I've been dealing with in Iran is now dead.
00:10:34.320 He's been trying to get a nuclear deal.
00:10:36.200 He gave Iran 60 days. 0.93
00:10:38.000 Iran would not budge on certain American demands.
00:10:41.060 So day 61, the Israelis go in and rain down hellfire on them. 1.00
00:10:46.200 And Trump says, look, everyone I've been dealing with in the Iran negotiations is now dead.
00:10:51.500 And the reporter asked, well, this is, unfortunately we don't have a tape of it.
00:10:56.640 I'm sure it would have been a great performance.
00:10:57.760 But the reporter asked, well, are they dead because of the negotiations because they wouldn't come to a deal?
00:11:05.120 And Trump says, well, they didn't die of COVID.
00:11:08.020 They didn't die of the flu.
00:11:10.600 So all of that to say, I mentioned on this show on Friday,
00:11:15.820 I do not want the United States to be dragged into a regime change war in the Middle East.
00:11:20.200 I don't want American soldiers involved in this.
00:11:22.480 I don't want to be bogged down in some Middle East quagmire. 1.00
00:11:24.620 I don't want our resources and our attention to be taken up by this battle
00:11:28.200 because I'd much rather keep an eye on China and Taiwan and wrap up the Ukraine conflict
00:11:34.460 and not have to sink American blood and treasure into another regime change war in the Middle East.
00:11:42.060 We've had enough of those over the past quarter century.
00:11:45.040 However, as I point out in the show a lot, America is the global empire.
00:11:51.320 We just are.
00:11:52.300 We're not a yeoman nation. 0.95
00:11:55.380 We're not.
00:11:55.860 We don't just stick to ourselves.
00:11:57.780 It's just not how it works.
00:11:59.640 Even the broad system of nation states that we think we live under since the Westphalian peace is not really true.
00:12:06.940 There are empires.
00:12:07.960 There are spheres of influence.
00:12:09.820 There are strategic alliances.
00:12:11.280 There were coalitions of nations.
00:12:13.280 And so we can't totally avoid it.
00:12:16.200 That's why I'm not screaming my head off.
00:12:17.640 I'm not surprised by the outbreak of this war, just like I wasn't surprised by the outbreak of the war in Ukraine, just like I won't be surprised if there's an outbreak of war around Taiwan.
00:12:26.400 There are great power battles around empires.
00:12:30.840 And what it is incumbent on Trump to do now is to try to maintain the peace.
00:12:36.400 Because I guess this is what would separate my view from the view of, say, the neocons or the liberal imperialists or whatever, is they want to just light up every country in the world.
00:12:43.900 They never saw a non-liberal regime.
00:12:46.500 They didn't want to overthrow.
00:12:47.440 So they love that stuff.
00:12:50.040 That's not my view of empire.
00:12:51.640 My view of empire is not lighted up.
00:12:53.700 My view of empire is the classical view of empire, which is that the empire exists for a reason, which is to establish peace.
00:13:00.820 Going all the way back to the Aeneid and Virgil writing about the Romans, he says the art of the Romans is to govern.
00:13:08.380 Other peoples have other arts, you know, dry cleaning and sushi.
00:13:12.140 But our people, our art is governing.
00:13:14.980 And the purpose of the empire, understood throughout Christendom, is to establish peace.
00:13:21.720 One hopes, because we will be involved.
00:13:23.720 There's no question that we will be involved.
00:13:25.400 We're already involved.
00:13:25.960 We've been involved from the beginning.
00:13:26.880 You can track.
00:13:27.660 There's an account on Twitter called the Pentagon Pizza Index.
00:13:30.820 And when the business, when the wait times at the pizza stores around the Pentagon are extending late at night, you know, uh-oh, they're working on something.
00:13:40.460 Something's about to go down.
00:13:41.340 What we hope occurs is that the aims of this kind of war, which obviously are regime change, that they remain restrained, circumscribed, relatively modest, and are aimed not towards some radical liberal revolution, not toward establishing Madisonian democracy in Iran or whatever, but just toward maintaining the peace, advancing America's interests, keeping our allies in all their ducks in a row, keeping them in their proper place.
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00:14:46.460 A lot of death on this show today.
00:14:48.520 A guy shot two Minnesota lawmakers along with their spouses.
00:14:53.240 A female lawmaker and her husband were killed, and then a male lawmaker and his wife were wounded.
00:14:58.820 The one who was killed is Melissa Hortman, former Speaker of the Minnesota House.
00:15:04.600 She and her husband were shot and killed at their home early Saturday.
00:15:11.580 The notable aspect of her political career is she's a Democrat.
00:15:16.480 So instantly you say, okay, well, it's got to be a right-wing Republican who shot her.
00:15:21.980 She's a Democrat, but she was the only Democrat in the Minnesota House to oppose funding health care for illegal aliens.
00:15:29.860 So she's a Democrat, but she voted with the Republicans. 0.93
00:15:34.880 She was the only lawmaker who was actually killed. 0.97
00:15:37.600 A second state lawmaker, Senator John Hoffman and his wife, were shot multiple times and appear to have survived.
00:15:43.520 Then, we don't know who this guy is, but the police take a photograph of his car, and there are no Kings flyers on his seat.
00:15:53.900 So no Kings, we'll get to that in just a moment.
00:15:56.780 No Kings was this kind of weak, astroturfed, completely cringe protest of Trump over the weekend.
00:16:02.700 So he's got flyers protesting Trump all over his car.
00:16:08.320 He goes out and shoots, allegedly, the only Democrat lawmaker who voted against funding health care for illegal aliens.
00:16:21.160 But then there's some evidence that he's a Republican.
00:16:23.720 So all of the evidence that we've seen so far makes you think this would be a Democrat, a far leftist, who's upset at a moderate leftist and who's upset at Trump.
00:16:30.440 But then we find out the suspect is a 57-year-old guy, and even though it looked like his car was law enforcement, it seems he was just posing as law enforcement.
00:16:41.540 It wasn't a real law enforcement car.
00:16:43.420 We then find out he's got a LinkedIn or other kind of resume that said that he owned a security company.
00:16:52.320 So you say, okay, that sounds more like a right-winger.
00:16:54.400 It says he did security work overseas.
00:16:56.020 But then actually there's no evidence that he ever did any of that.
00:16:58.400 It might have been just totally made up.
00:16:59.760 It might have just been quite just as fictional as the fictional police car that he drove to commit the crimes.
00:17:06.200 Then we find out, on top of all of this, that he was appointed to a state board, the Workforce Development Board, by the super-lib Democrat Governor Tim Walz back in 2019.
00:17:16.960 So then you think, okay, I guess he's a lib.
00:17:18.780 But the board was nonpartisan, and I guess he had been appointed to another board by a Republican, maybe.
00:17:25.280 And then they interview the roommate.
00:17:26.440 The roommate says that this shooter was a Trump supporter.
00:17:31.240 So then you say, okay, he's a Republican.
00:17:32.960 But then the roommate says he actually hadn't really talked about politics much recently.
00:17:38.140 And then we get the text.
00:17:39.580 So the alleged shooter sends a text to his roommate saying, first of all, this is like a 57-year-old guy who seems like kind of a loner.
00:17:47.520 He's got roommates.
00:17:49.020 Doesn't seem like he's living in a great family situation.
00:17:52.840 Seems like he's making up a fair bit of his resume.
00:17:56.320 Says, I just want to let you know that I love you guys both.
00:17:58.640 I don't want to say anything more and implicate you in any way because you guys don't know anything about this.
00:18:04.420 But I love you guys, and I'm sorry for all the trouble this has caused.
00:18:08.640 Totally bizarre.
00:18:10.180 They then interview the roommate about the alleged shooter's security background.
00:18:16.360 They said, yeah, we basically just played pretend.
00:18:19.280 We played pretend cops.
00:18:21.780 Played pretend army men.
00:18:23.180 And he wanted to get a security company off the ground, but he couldn't.
00:18:26.100 I think he worked in the food industry or a convenience store or something.
00:18:30.380 So this is really bizarre.
00:18:33.540 This reminds me of Butler, Pennsylvania.
00:18:37.500 This reminds me of the attempt to kill Trump.
00:18:42.120 Because just as in this case, in Butler, Pennsylvania, the alleged shooter,
00:18:48.300 I guess I don't need to worry about him suing me for slander or libel.
00:18:51.960 You know, that's why we say alleged in journalism is, you know,
00:18:54.560 you don't want to be sued for slander or libel, even if all of the evidence points to the guy.
00:18:58.280 But in this case, that guy had his brains blown out.
00:18:59.920 So I guess I don't need to say alleged anymore.
00:19:01.620 Just force of habit.
00:19:02.900 That guy was a ostensibly registered Republican,
00:19:06.540 but his only political donation ever were to Democrats.
00:19:09.360 And he obviously tried to murder Trump.
00:19:11.140 So you can't quite pinpoint his politics.
00:19:15.040 Same thing with this guy.
00:19:17.240 He, I guess, said he was a Republican and liked Trump.
00:19:19.700 But then he had the No Kings anti-Trump flyers in his car.
00:19:23.860 And then he attacked a Democrat, but it was the Democrat who disagreed with the other Democrats.
00:19:28.160 And sometimes, sometimes political violence,
00:19:35.520 sometimes violence is motivated by politics, by ideology.
00:19:39.260 That does really happen.
00:19:40.660 And it tends to happen more on the left.
00:19:42.100 You see a lot of political violence on the left, basically none on the right.
00:19:45.500 And so I'm not discounting that.
00:19:48.040 Sometimes ideology motivates violence.
00:19:51.020 Sometimes religion motivates violence.
00:19:53.440 Sometimes terrorism, which is targeting civilians for political purposes, motivates violence.
00:20:00.180 And sometimes people are just kind of crazy.
00:20:02.800 And I know that's going to seem like a cop-out to a lot of people, but it's really not.
00:20:08.160 That expresses a truth about human nature that in secular modernity, we don't want to acknowledge.
00:20:13.860 Namely, that the perversity of the human heart is much deeper and broader and much less predictable than we acknowledge in modernity.
00:20:22.580 We think human beings are like computers, and we just kind of figure them out, and we run an operating system, and that's that.
00:20:26.920 No, no, no, concupiscence and the perversity of the human heart are a lot more complex than that.
00:20:36.040 And this guy might have just been kind of a weirdo.
00:20:40.520 And the fact that you can't quite place him politically speaks to that.
00:20:47.200 And the fact that unlike in Butler, Pennsylvania, where there were these totally inexplicable security failures,
00:20:53.360 and where you're talking about Trump, and it's right before the RNC, and it seems like there might have been,
00:20:59.800 if you're going to suggest a conspiracy, that one makes a little more sense.
00:21:02.560 That there were so many just inexplicable errors, apparently, leading up to that.
00:21:07.340 The timing was so on the nose.
00:21:09.820 In this case, though, no one had really ever heard of these state lawmakers.
00:21:14.100 What was this about?
00:21:17.280 Might, it might just have been a crazy guy.
00:21:20.260 We don't like to hear that, but it might just have been a crazy guy.
00:21:22.580 Now, I told you, he had these flyers, the No Kings flyers.
00:21:25.540 There were protests.
00:21:26.640 There were supposed to be 2,000 No Kings protests throughout the United States.
00:21:32.980 And they were supposed to involve millions and millions of people.
00:21:35.940 A popular uprising against Trump.
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00:23:08.460 Two hundred or thereabouts organizations set up the Know Kings protest.
00:23:16.880 We're talking about the American Federation of Teachers, the ACLU, those guys,
00:23:23.120 the Communications Workers of America, all these super lib groups organized the Know Kings protests.
00:23:29.160 And there were supposed to be about 2,000, millions of protesters expected.
00:23:35.320 Some of them were canceled before they were even to begin.
00:23:38.580 And the reason they were canceled was lack of attendance.
00:23:42.080 So one that made the news was Hollywood, Florida.
00:23:44.940 Hollywood, Florida had a big protest planned, and they had to cancel it because no one was going to show up.
00:23:49.780 So the organizers officially said that.
00:23:51.500 Now, a bunch of them were pretty lackluster.
00:23:53.040 Here's Chicago.
00:23:53.800 So this is Chicago.
00:23:54.400 This is a big city, super lib stronghold.
00:23:57.820 You know, they shut down the street for it.
00:24:00.200 And you look at the protest, and it's, you know, it's about one street wide, kind of slow, kind of orderly.
00:24:09.760 Not, it's not that there's nobody there.
00:24:11.640 There are some people there.
00:24:13.120 But it's just much more subdued than you would expect.
00:24:15.980 The crowd is much older.
00:24:17.320 And, in fact, the people I know, I know, you know, I'm friends with a bunch of libs, and I have libs in my family and, you know, friend groups.
00:24:24.560 I'm from New York.
00:24:25.220 I lived in L.A.
00:24:26.240 The people I know who went to the No Kings protest were not the radical blue-haired anarchists throwing Molotov cocktails.
00:24:35.540 It was like boomers. 1.00
00:24:38.720 It was like boomer Dems who just really don't like Trump, but they're orderly people.
00:24:44.140 They have jobs.
00:24:45.100 They don't.
00:24:45.460 They're just, it wasn't, they were reliving Woodstock or something, man.
00:24:52.780 I don't know.
00:24:53.220 They were, it was, you know, hey, remember the 60s?
00:24:55.760 It was not forceful.
00:24:58.740 I was driving in Nashville.
00:24:59.840 I was about to get on the freeway, and I see there was a No Kings protest.
00:25:03.020 It was half a dozen people, median age, probably about 67, you know, really excited to get the signs.
00:25:09.980 We don't like Trump, No Kings, whatever.
00:25:11.880 It was, it seemed relatively small, the whole thing.
00:25:15.360 It skewed a bit older.
00:25:17.720 It was weak sauce, of course.
00:25:21.120 Because when the libs had popular protests of Trump in the first term, they could at least gin up some media attention and gin up some excitement around it because, they say, well, Trump lost the popular vote.
00:25:31.120 You know, Trump, there were all these, Russia hacked the election.
00:25:34.080 It was a total fluke, whatever.
00:25:35.580 But then Trump just, like, kept winning.
00:25:37.840 And then this time, he won not only the electoral college, but the popular vote.
00:25:41.340 And he won not only white guys, but also almost half of Hispanics and a ton of women and a disproportionate number of black guys.
00:25:50.060 And it just, it's hard to have a popular uprising against the guy who won the popular vote.
00:25:54.640 So why no kings?
00:25:57.140 Why no kings?
00:25:58.360 This is new.
00:26:03.640 And I think it's a weak rebranding.
00:26:05.760 Because normally, when the Dems protest a Republican, it's no Nazis, no Hitler, no dictators, no fascists.
00:26:14.660 Now it's no kings.
00:26:16.720 Which, as sweet little Elisa pointed out last night, is really bad PR.
00:26:21.540 Because it's cool to be a king, man.
00:26:23.400 You know, you come at the king, you best not miss.
00:26:25.220 Be like, yo, king, you dropped your crown.
00:26:26.780 Hey, what's up, king?
00:26:28.500 That's not just a far right-wing ideologue kind of expression.
00:26:34.900 It's cool to be a king, man.
00:26:36.340 Kings are cool.
00:26:38.400 So, why no kings?
00:26:40.440 I think they were trying to impel their followers to behave a certain way.
00:26:49.980 I think that when you say Trump's Hitler or whatever, Trump's a Nazi, poses an existential threat to the country.
00:26:57.020 I think you are pushing your followers to behave in ways that are a little more radical, a little more modern.
00:27:05.580 You know, who are the enemies of the Nazis? 0.90
00:27:09.300 Well, it's not just the American and British troops.
00:27:11.100 It's the communists.
00:27:12.160 Antifa's going to get out there.
00:27:14.860 You know, you got the fascists, you got the anti-fascists.
00:27:16.820 Oh, no, we don't want our guys to behave like Antifa.
00:27:18.620 That makes us look really bad.
00:27:20.680 We don't want, especially following the riots in LA, we don't want our followers to seem anti-American.
00:27:24.880 We don't want them waving the flags of foreign nations. 1.00
00:27:26.480 That was a complete mistake.
00:27:27.960 Okay, how can we make our followers get out in the streets but also seem kind of patriotic?
00:27:32.560 Well, let's rewind it.
00:27:33.800 Let's not focus this around 20th century mythology, you know, the mythology of surrounding the Second World War.
00:27:40.940 We need to frame this around 18th century mythology.
00:27:44.880 We're going to make this about the American Revolution.
00:27:46.520 No kings.
00:27:49.000 No king.
00:27:49.780 Okay, so what?
00:27:50.420 We're going to wave the Betsy Ross flag. 0.97
00:27:51.920 The libs already told us the Betsy Ross flag is racist. 0.95
00:27:53.820 You can't even put it on sneakers.
00:27:54.700 So what are they really going to get?
00:27:58.460 I think the libs picked no kings because they want their followers to seem less anti-American for the TV cameras because the LA riots were a complete flop.
00:28:07.260 The LA riots were organized by the left, and they were a flop.
00:28:10.720 They did not win the left votes.
00:28:12.300 They actually lost the left support.
00:28:14.080 So they tried their best, and this one flopped too, flopped hard.
00:28:18.260 And part of that is just the historical fact.
00:28:20.320 Even if you wanted to frame this around an 18th century idea, America was not founded in opposition to monarchy.
00:28:26.860 We almost had a monarchy in America.
00:28:28.680 Alexander Hamilton was advocating for a kind of a monarchy in America.
00:28:33.420 America was founded on principles that demanded political independence, but it wasn't anti-monarchy.
00:28:40.040 The French Revolution that followed was anti-monarchy.
00:28:42.640 But as Edmund Burke, for instance, pointed out, the American Revolution was much more conservative.
00:28:47.780 The American Revolution was undertaken in a much more orderly way, from the top down, partaking of principles of subsidiarity.
00:28:56.720 The French Revolution was a bunch of ravel chopping heads off, opposed to throne and altar, wanted to overthrow not only the monarchy but Christianity, the whole ancien regime. 0.70
00:29:05.920 In fact, I think it was Adrian Vermeule pointed this out on Twitter.
00:29:09.600 There has been an argument that the American presidency is in many ways the last monarchy that survived from the old regime.
00:29:15.140 Even though we're not a monarchy, technically, but we still have an executive that has a lot of power.
00:29:21.860 Trump, man, you know, Trump's kind of the king, man.
00:29:23.760 He really is kind of the king, in a way.
00:29:25.320 But all American presidents are.
00:29:26.840 They have real power.
00:29:27.940 The American presidency has much more in the way of monarchical power than the king of England does, than King Charles does, than any of the kind of sidelined kings, the king of Spain.
00:29:39.880 So the no kings thing was never going to work.
00:29:43.120 And my friend Nate Fisher pointed out, the no kings protest, if the libs are really going to make this the new focal point, Trump's a king and we don't want kings here, whatever, it might actually encourage a healthy reexamination of political regimes, including monarchy on the right.
00:30:00.580 Because America, we've been told in recent years, America's a democracy, not really a democracy.
00:30:05.420 America's a republic.
00:30:06.560 Then the right-wingers say, well, we're not a democracy, we're a republic.
00:30:09.380 But actually, that's not what the American regime is.
00:30:11.300 The American regime, going all the way back to the Constitution, is a mixed regime. 0.99
00:30:16.900 That's the point.
00:30:17.860 The founding fathers were explicit about this.
00:30:20.460 Yes, Benjamin Franklin says, we've given you a republic if you can keep it.
00:30:23.800 But more than that, it is a mixed regime. 0.80
00:30:25.840 Because the American framers and founders wanted to escape the cycle of regimes that causes monarchies to collapse, the three forms of government, monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy into their kind of negative forms, which is tyranny, oligarchy, and mob rule.
00:30:42.600 And so the cycle goes on through revolutions.
00:30:45.400 And the American framers wanted to escape that.
00:30:47.580 And so the way to escape that, as St. Thomas Aquinas points out in the Summa Theologiae, is you have a mixed regime that has a monarchical element, in our case, the presidency, with an aristocratic element. 0.69
00:30:56.660 At the founding would have been the Senate.
00:31:00.200 And maybe some of – now we have direct election of senators. 0.87
00:31:02.200 That's a little bit weakened.
00:31:02.900 And a democratic element, which would be the House of Representatives.
00:31:07.460 And then you have subsidiarity from the federal government all the way down to the local governments.
00:31:11.500 It's a mixed regime. 0.65
00:31:13.820 Now, probably the Libs, when they started their No Kings protest, didn't want Americans to be reflecting on regimes and political philosophy and what America really means.
00:31:22.440 But they didn't get what they really wanted, which was a popular uprising in the street.
00:31:26.640 And the fact that they had to change their tune, I think, shows you they just don't know what they're about right now.
00:31:35.680 Fundamentally, the Democrats don't know what they're about right now.
00:31:38.560 Are they for open borders or are they for border security?
00:31:41.520 They don't know.
00:31:42.620 Are they for free trade or are they for protecting American workers?
00:31:45.580 They don't know.
00:31:46.840 Are they for Israel or are they for Palestine? 0.73
00:31:49.280 They don't know.
00:31:50.780 Are they for what?
00:31:52.760 What are they for?
00:31:53.520 They don't know.
00:31:54.000 No Kings.
00:31:56.880 I don't know, man.
00:31:57.720 Trump looking more and more like a king every day.
00:31:59.500 Speaking of the Libs acting up, a Democrat senator, U.S. senator, Alex Padilla, has just been taken down by the FBI in the United States Secret Service.
00:32:09.560 I mean that very literally.
00:32:10.600 He showed up to an event.
00:32:12.220 He started harassing a member of the Trump administration.
00:32:15.460 And the FBI in the Secret Service had to grab him because he got out of control and started shoving law enforcement officers around.
00:32:24.000 I'm Senator Alex Padilla.
00:32:26.620 I have questions for the secretary.
00:32:27.080 So you can see him.
00:32:27.460 He's pushing on either.
00:32:29.420 I can't tell if that's FBI or Secret Service.
00:32:31.440 He's wearing kind of plain clothes.
00:32:33.840 That's a U.S. senator.
00:32:36.040 This maniac is a U.S. senator.
00:32:37.840 I think here he was protesting Kristi Noem.
00:32:42.780 He was trying to rush the stage with Kristi Noem, this female cabinet secretary.
00:32:48.940 And so Trump comes in, or rather law enforcement of the Trump administration comes in and they say, you're not allowed to do that, Senator.
00:32:55.380 Sorry.
00:32:56.180 We're going to grab you.
00:32:57.020 We're going to get you out of the room.
00:32:58.140 This was probably a stunt to set the stage also for the No Kings protest and that Ed Flop too.
00:33:05.640 Because when I watch that, when I watch Democrat, even elected politicians, go up and physically start to threaten female members of the Trump administration, 0.85
00:33:16.600 it reminds me of Maxine Waters, sitting Democrat Congress lady, who said in the first Trump term,
00:33:20.860 when you see Republicans in public, you push back on them, you tell them they're not welcome here, you go to their house, are you insane lady?
00:33:28.780 When I see Hillary Clinton say, you can't be civil with Republicans. 0.54
00:33:31.940 Well, I see all this stuff.
00:33:33.160 That doesn't make me think that Trump needs to be less forceful.
00:33:37.020 Makes me think, no, no, Trump needs to be more forceful in maintaining order and enforcing the law.
00:33:42.200 What I'm hoping for, by the end of Senator Padilla's nonsense, by the end of the No Kings protest,
00:33:48.200 I'm basically waiting for President Trump to go full Charles II.
00:33:53.820 Anyone who denies this truth makes themselves an enemy of God, king, and country.
00:34:02.560 Think on that before you take another step towards chaos.
00:34:08.200 All the world may see what a point we have come to.
00:34:13.200 Nothing that begins in such division is likely to end well.
00:34:18.200 I declare Parliament dissolved.
00:34:24.960 Gentlemen, go home.
00:34:29.300 I will not trouble you any further.
00:34:32.800 Gentlemen, go home.
00:34:34.680 The Parliament is dissolved.
00:34:36.120 I know, I'm very happy to say, I know that there are members of the administration who listen to this show regularly.
00:34:42.580 And I know, and plenty of Republicans on Capitol Hill.
00:34:46.300 Take note.
00:34:47.800 That's what I want to see.
00:34:49.640 That's the response to the No Kings protest.
00:34:52.400 I want Trump to saunter in.
00:34:54.640 You know, look, Charles II had drip.
00:34:56.540 Trump's got a lot of drip in his own way.
00:34:58.380 Walk in there, you know, shiny, glammed up.
00:35:02.840 Gentlemen, go home.
00:35:04.660 You're dissolved.
00:35:07.760 Okay, I won't trouble you any further.
00:35:10.220 Bye.
00:35:10.700 Bye, Alex Padilla.
00:35:12.660 Get out.
00:35:14.360 That's what I want.
00:35:15.380 I mentioned the Harvard professor, Adrian Bermule, just now on the show.
00:35:21.380 I loved his response to the No Kings protest.
00:35:25.020 He said, No Kings.
00:35:26.480 But as a complaint.
00:35:27.800 Oh, No Kings?
00:35:28.860 Not yet.
00:35:29.300 Not yet.
00:35:29.780 Not yet.
00:35:30.140 We got to wait for Octavian Baron Augustus Trump to come in.
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00:36:53.440 My favorite comment yesterday is from Mernush Makh, who says,
00:37:00.840 you Americans can say whatever you want, but as an Iranian that I know what's going on in Iran,
00:37:07.560 people in Iran pray for Bibi in Israel.
00:37:09.660 We call IDF the Freedom Army for Iran.
00:37:12.860 Yeah, look, I believe that, okay?
00:37:15.380 I don't know if you mean you're in Iran right now or you're more likely in America
00:37:19.360 or outside of Iran, but you still have people in Iran.
00:37:22.520 That's true.
00:37:23.440 I, as an American, want to minimize the American involvement in this war because I don't want
00:37:29.120 to get bogged down in a two-decade quagmire to establish Madisonian democracy in the Middle East
00:37:33.060 when it doesn't necessarily serve our immediate interests.
00:37:36.260 It might serve our strategic interests long term, but not our immediate interests.
00:37:39.140 And the risks, I think, are very high, and the public doesn't want it.
00:37:42.900 And it could also imperil the rest of Trump's agenda.
00:37:46.880 And the list goes on and on as to why I want to minimize our involvement in this war.
00:37:50.460 However, this is another point where I was mentioning at the top of the show,
00:37:54.380 some people think, you know, it's just the Israelis trying to drag us into this war.
00:37:56.920 There are other people.
00:37:57.680 The most pro-war-in-Iran people I have ever met are Iranians who left Iran,
00:38:05.660 maybe whose families left after the Shah was deposed or whose families left in the 80s or 90s.
00:38:11.220 Those guys very much pro-Israel going in and messing things up. 0.52
00:38:16.140 Same thing, that's how I feel about the Lebanese.
00:38:18.600 I have Lebanese friends who love, love it when Israel goes in and messes things up 1.00
00:38:23.200 because they hate the Muslims and they hate what the Muslims did to their country. 0.82
00:38:25.640 So anyway, I get it.
00:38:27.480 I get that lots of people with lots of backgrounds from lots of different countries
00:38:32.000 all have views and desires in this war.
00:38:34.920 I'm just articulating my view as an American.
00:38:37.440 But I get it.
00:38:38.260 I get it.
00:38:38.900 And I recognize also these are imperial power plays,
00:38:41.980 and there's a lot more going on than meets the eye.
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00:40:50.620 So, okay.
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00:40:57.280 They're all providing a kind of tawdry,
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00:41:39.360 and you've cultivated a large following.
00:41:41.820 And God gave me this body.
00:41:43.460 That's certainly true.
00:41:44.200 And God gave me this voice,
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00:41:50.180 And ultimately, I suppose, of all pornography,
00:41:52.200 even than the body does.
00:41:53.840 That's what's so interesting about the second porn lady, 1.00
00:41:55.920 the one who says she's sleeping with a thousand men 0.98
00:41:57.980 and she goes into the burger joint and says,
00:41:59.660 I want five guys. 0.81
00:42:01.160 Because the reason she's, 0.97
00:42:03.360 I can honestly say, I'm happy to say that I've never seen her work.
00:42:07.140 I've never seen her behind the OnlyFans paywall work.
00:42:11.220 But I have seen her popular media stuff pop up.
00:42:14.020 I've seen all these little clips go viral.
00:42:16.160 And the scintillating, titillating kind of porn that that girl's putting out 1.00
00:42:19.720 actually never involves her taking off any of her clothes.
00:42:23.560 It's just using her voice,
00:42:26.200 using her language to degrade herself,
00:42:28.660 to play on the dark fantasies of men.
00:42:32.140 But that's where the porn is.
00:42:33.340 That's really where most of her popular work is.
00:42:35.700 I like to think most people have not seen her actual nude stuff.
00:42:40.720 And I don't think they have.
00:42:42.300 I think most people are just seeing that.
00:42:44.400 But that is enough to show you what pornography is,
00:42:47.760 which is intrinsically about degrading and turning human beings from proper subjects with rights 0.95
00:42:52.880 into objects that can just be melded to one's fantasies.
00:42:57.000 It turns these people into nothing more than objects of amusement.
00:43:03.380 It turns them into clowns.
00:43:05.140 And that's what this girl's getting at. 1.00
00:43:06.600 The first OnlyFans girl criticizing the second one. 1.00
00:43:09.440 She says, God gave me all this stuff.
00:43:10.860 My body, even my platform, certainly my voice.
00:43:13.400 So why wouldn't I use it to go whore myself? 0.96
00:43:15.660 Because God gave you those things for a purpose.
00:43:20.520 He gave you those things.
00:43:21.860 Those things have a purpose.
00:43:23.300 And you have free will.
00:43:25.240 And you can either use all those things to their proper end,
00:43:28.960 or you can turn away from God's grace and turn away from the moral order and degrade yourself.
00:43:33.940 You have that freedom to do it if you want it.
00:43:37.860 But when you don't use things for their proper purpose,
00:43:41.460 you turn yourself into a clown. 0.51
00:43:43.780 If I have my Leftist Tears Tumblr here,
00:43:46.960 I'm drinking delicious Leftist Tears out of it.
00:43:50.060 It's actually fruity millennial seltzer.
00:43:52.000 But okay, I'm drinking it.
00:43:52.880 That's good.
00:43:54.600 If, on the other hand,
00:43:56.020 I took this Tumblr and just dumped it all on my head and wore it as a hat,
00:44:02.260 I would make myself into a clown.
00:44:04.380 It would be kind of funny.
00:44:05.140 You'd probably laugh.
00:44:06.260 I wouldn't be using this for its proper purpose.
00:44:08.920 And it would be funny.
00:44:10.260 It would be incongruous.
00:44:11.520 It would be unexpected.
00:44:12.700 It would be farcical.
00:44:13.780 It would be dumb and stupid.
00:44:15.520 I would degrade myself in doing that.
00:44:17.640 And you would laugh because I'd be a clown.
00:44:20.340 When you use your body in ways that are contrary to its purpose
00:44:25.740 and contrary to your flourishing,
00:44:27.660 you make yourself into a clown,
00:44:29.300 into kind of a joke.
00:44:29.960 People make jokes about you.
00:44:32.520 People call you nasty names and you look ridiculous.
00:44:35.900 When you use your voice in those ways,
00:44:39.080 you make yourself into a clown.
00:44:40.800 The second porn girl, 0.55
00:44:41.960 the one who's talking about sleeping with a thousand guys in a day or whatever,
00:44:45.360 she's kind of funny.
00:44:46.560 When she went into the burger place and said,
00:44:48.260 I want the five guys,
00:44:49.040 that's kind of funny.
00:44:50.560 I think I chuckled at it.
00:44:52.640 But it's funny because it's perverse and subversive and unexpected and incongruous.
00:44:57.380 And it's just wrong.
00:44:59.380 And that's fine.
00:45:00.160 If you want to be a clown,
00:45:01.140 go be a clown. 0.79
00:45:02.620 But the one OnlyFans lady should not be criticizing the other OnlyFans lady.
00:45:06.340 They're both doing exactly the same thing.
00:45:08.840 And it's certainly not about empowering women or anyone else.
00:45:11.680 It's not about empowering men either.
00:45:13.500 It's degrading everyone and making everyone into a clown.
00:45:17.680 The whores and the johns alike, 1.00
00:45:19.740 they're both making themselves into clowns.
00:45:22.000 So maybe it's a good opportunity for all those gals to look themselves in the mirror and say, 1.00
00:45:25.840 I don't have to live this way.
00:45:26.520 I don't have to be a clown.
00:45:27.980 I can take off the makeup and behave as I should.
00:45:30.360 Now, speaking of show business,
00:45:31.460 this big showbiz story that I might not have time to get to.
00:45:36.380 Because you know I'm a little teased.
00:45:37.480 But Justin Bieber might be placed in a conservatorship.
00:45:42.700 Because he seems like he's acting kind of crazy.
00:45:44.520 And this story is actually quite related to the previous story.
00:45:47.480 But we don't have time.
00:45:48.300 So that's going to be my tease for tomorrow.
00:45:50.240 Because today is Music Monday.
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00:46:01.460 Doug Actie wigged.
00:46:03.400 Who will find it?
00:46:04.320 How long I'm doing?
00:46:05.320 Now, until then,
00:46:06.020 you have to go back in the next phase.
00:46:07.840 You know what?
00:46:09.200 Good morning.
00:46:09.940 You're doing all right.
00:46:10.900 And you're doing all right.
00:46:12.060 Oh, how are you doing good?
00:46:14.100 I'm doing all rightling Whitney.
00:46:15.080 I'm doing all right.
00:46:15.700 I'm going to get you all right.
00:46:16.740 I'm gonna do it now.
00:46:17.700 I'm doing all right.
00:46:18.720 What's ce к any of you doing?
00:46:19.400 I'm doing all right?
00:46:20.680 I'm stillезなく Duck Road route.
00:46:22.140 Now I'm making it all right.
00:46:22.560 You're doing all right.
00:46:23.140 I'm doing what I want to see.
00:46:23.800 I don't evenない that too many people.
00:46:25.220 Now, where are you through?