The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1757 - We're Officially Not Not At War

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00:00:37.680 We are officially not at war in Iran.

00:00:42.420 We're not quite at war.

00:00:45.040 Are we at war?

00:00:45.920 We're definitely not not at war, but it's official.

00:00:50.500 It's coming from the top levels of the government.

00:00:52.660 By officially, I don't mean by an act of Congress.

00:00:56.460 I don't even mean by an Oval Office decree.

00:01:00.040 I mean we are officially not not at war via a post on Truth Social, which in our constitutional system actually is all that it takes.

00:01:09.220 So what's happening now?

00:01:10.520 What comes next?

00:01:12.080 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:01:12.700 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:13.460 Welcome back to the show.

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00:02:30.840 We are officially not not at war.

00:02:33.080 Here's the post on Truth Social that did it.

00:02:35.940 From President Trump yesterday, 1055 a.m.

00:02:38.360 We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran. 0.85

00:02:45.540 That first word there is what gives it a we?

00:02:48.160 Hold on.

00:02:48.660 Who is we here?

00:02:49.760 I thought it was Israel's war and we had nothing to do with it. 0.89

00:02:55.080 Like around the same time, you had a U.S. senator saying, you know, we're doing X, Y, and Z over the skies of Iran.

00:03:01.180 So hold on.

00:03:01.560 We?

00:03:01.800 Well, no, we're supporting.

00:03:02.980 Are we supporting?

00:03:03.660 Are we leading?

00:03:04.220 Are we involved?

00:03:04.960 Are we not involved?

00:03:06.100 Are we defending?

00:03:06.800 In any case, President Trump's exact words.

00:03:10.060 We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran. 0.85

00:03:13.560 Iran had good sky trackers and other defensive equipment and plenty of it.

00:03:16.980 But it doesn't compare to American made, conceived, and manufactured stuff.

00:03:21.740 Nobody does it better than the good old USA.

00:03:25.220 So look, I don't mean to make light of America potentially going to war.

00:03:32.740 We're kind of in Schrodinger's war.

00:03:33.980 We're simultaneously at war and not at war.

00:03:35.820 But that's a funny line at the end.

00:03:39.900 That is a funny line.

00:03:41.820 You know, look, he's even showing respect to Iran.

00:03:44.380 This is a hallmark of President Trump's foreign policy.

00:03:47.860 He shows respect to leaders that we don't like, to North Korea, to Putin, to Iran.

00:03:53.760 He gives them credit.

00:03:54.700 And it actually serves a purpose because it allows them to keep some of their dignity and hopefully come to a deal.

00:03:59.300 Though we'll see.

00:03:59.920 The time for a deal is clearly running out in Iran.

00:04:01.840 But he says, look, they did a good job.

00:04:04.880 They did their best.

00:04:06.160 But we, none of that stuff compares to old American made, conceived stuff.

00:04:11.440 Nobody does it better than the good old USA.

00:04:13.360 Like it could be a commercial for Boeing or for Earth at Brahman or something like that.

00:04:18.440 Okay, then the next tweet or the truth social post.

00:04:21.720 We know exactly where the so-called supreme leader is hiding.

00:04:24.500 He is an easy target but is safe there.

00:04:26.780 We are not going to take him out. 1.00

00:04:28.260 Kill! 0.99

00:04:29.100 At least not for now. 0.98

00:04:31.220 But we don't want missiles shot at civilians or American soldiers.

00:04:34.700 Our patience is wearing thin.

00:04:36.020 Thank you for your attention to this matter.

00:04:37.540 So two things going on here.

00:04:38.840 One, President Trump is presenting two options for this war.

00:04:44.800 This can either be a war that just takes out your nuclear program or sets it back five or ten years.

00:04:51.720 Or this could be a regime change war.

00:04:54.020 That's the Trump perspective.

00:04:55.260 That's the perspective of the United States.

00:04:58.100 He's giving a little carrot to the Iranians. 0.99

00:05:01.340 He's saying, look, we know where the Ayatollah is.

00:05:03.160 We could easily decapitate this regime.

00:05:05.440 We're not going to do that yet. 0.95

00:05:07.540 We're going to let you keep your country. 1.00

00:05:09.720 But one, we don't want any attacks on U.S. soldiers.

00:05:14.620 And two, you've got to give up the nuclear program.

00:05:18.800 So the second thing that's going on here is he's giving the Iranians an excuse,

00:05:23.200 a face-saving excuse and a legitimate incentive not to attack American soldiers.

00:05:27.080 Because that's what Americans are really concerned about here.

00:05:29.520 It's not that Americans are super concerned about taking out the Iranian nuclear program

00:05:32.900 or even dropping bombs on Iran.

00:05:34.500 It's not that we have any particular love of the Ayatollahs.

00:05:36.360 But we don't want reprisals on American troops, which would then trigger America to become

00:05:40.480 even more involved in this war and could bog us down in another dusty Mideastern war for 20 years.

00:05:46.920 We don't want that.

00:05:48.860 Okay?

00:05:49.260 And Trump gets that.

00:05:50.340 Which is why he's saying, look, we are not necessarily pushing for regime change.

00:05:56.500 The Israeli government wants regime change.

00:05:58.460 No question about that.

00:05:59.720 I think that's even implicit in the name Operation Rising Lion, which is a double entendre.

00:06:04.940 It refers to Judah.

00:06:06.020 You know, it refers to the state of Israel.

00:06:07.780 But it also refers to the deposed Shah and his son, the Crown Prince Riza Pahlavi,

00:06:13.100 who we'll get to in one moment.

00:06:14.580 The symbol of the old Shah, the lion. 0.93

00:06:17.740 Oh, maybe we're talking about regime change here.

00:06:19.760 But this would be an area where the goals of the state of Israel and the goals of the United States

00:06:23.360 are a little bit different.

00:06:24.400 It's not that they're totally different, but they're different.

00:06:27.280 They're distinct.

00:06:29.220 Trump, I think, would be happy just setting the nuclear program back a little bit

00:06:32.120 and keeping the Ayatollahs in power.

00:06:33.360 Or the Israelis clearly want regime change.

00:06:37.180 And then Trump posts, as if not to put too fine a point on it,

00:06:41.800 all caps, unconditional surrender.

00:06:45.160 So whatever the nuances and the details, which are changing a little bit by the moment,

00:06:51.420 Trump is making clear here, we're involved in the war.

00:06:55.580 Now, everyone knew that.

00:06:56.360 Everybody with two functioning brain cells knew that.

00:06:58.180 But we're involved in the war.

00:07:01.100 And we can do that.

00:07:02.180 You're going to hear libertarians and you're going to hear isolationists and non-interventionists

00:07:07.400 and all these people say, the president has no right to do this.

00:07:11.780 We have not had a formal declaration of war from the Congress.

00:07:15.540 We don't need one.

00:07:17.080 We don't need one.

00:07:17.900 The president is the commander in chief.

00:07:19.540 The president has a lot of power.

00:07:20.860 It's good that the president has a lot of power.

00:07:23.480 But the president really, whether you think it's good or bad that the president has power,

00:07:26.600 he has this power.

00:07:27.540 Under the War Powers Act, the president can do basically whatever he wants with the military.

00:07:32.180 For 90 days.

00:07:33.640 60 days and then 30 days to withdraw.

00:07:36.080 And you don't need a declaration of war by Congress.

00:07:38.240 And the way Trump is looking at this war, I don't think he wants to get bogged down in some major regime change war for 10 years.

00:07:43.260 I think he wants to have a precise military operation.

00:07:46.320 Or to assist the Israelis in a precise military operation.

00:07:50.640 And then get out.

00:07:51.440 Like we saw in the first term with dropping the Moab.

00:07:54.960 Like we saw in the first term with taking out Qasem Soleimani, the top Iranian general.

00:07:59.900 Like we saw all over the place.

00:08:03.200 Regardless of what you think, though.

00:08:04.540 Because I did the show yesterday on how people are accusing Trump of breaking a promise he never made.

00:08:09.680 You know what I'm saying?

00:08:10.040 He said he'd keep us out of war in Iran.

00:08:11.380 The guy consistently for 10 years has said, we're not going to let Iran have a bomb.

00:08:15.360 He doesn't want to get bogged down in these long-term regime change wars.

00:08:18.520 But likewise, he's not going to let Iran have a bomb.

00:08:20.320 And he has a pretty muscular foreign policy.

00:08:22.740 People just seem to be confused about what Trump is.

00:08:26.260 I'm not confused about it.

00:08:27.700 I've been saying for a long time.

00:08:29.740 He's not a libertarian.

00:08:31.040 And he's not an isolationist.

00:08:32.580 And if you voted for him because you think he's some arch-libertarian, arch-isolationist.

00:08:36.480 Then that's on you.

00:08:37.960 Because he's not.

00:08:38.900 And he's never pretended to be that thing.

00:08:41.140 And if that's what you read into him.

00:08:43.560 Then you were just making up fantasies.

00:08:45.900 So sorry that you got it wrong.

00:08:47.520 But that is not him.

00:08:49.740 I know the term isolationist is a little bit of a pejorative.

00:08:53.080 So the term that the people that the critics of isolationists would call isolationists.

00:08:57.880 The term that those people prefer would probably be non-interventionist.

00:09:01.000 Whatever term you want to use.

00:09:03.280 That ain't Trump.

00:09:05.000 He's not even really a nationalist.

00:09:06.940 As much as he is an imperialist who wants to put America's interests first.

00:09:10.340 Not merely as some kind of yeoman republic looking in on itself.

00:09:13.220 But America's interests all over the world.

00:09:15.300 In Greenland.

00:09:16.040 In Canada.

00:09:16.700 In Panama.

00:09:17.420 In China.

00:09:18.160 In Russia and Ukraine.

00:09:19.580 And in the Middle East.

00:09:20.940 He recognizes that we're an imperial power.

00:09:23.020 And he's totally right about that.

00:09:24.320 So then the question is what is the American interest here?

00:09:27.280 Why are we doing this?

00:09:28.980 Why are we involved in this war in the Middle East?

00:09:32.880 There are some good arguments to be somewhat involved.

00:09:36.420 I don't think there are very good arguments to be all the way involved.

00:09:38.500 But there are some arguments to be somewhat involved.

00:09:40.400 However, there is one popular argument going around that I think is not convincing.

00:09:44.920 This argument comes from a guy that I quite like actually.

00:09:47.640 But I think he's not making a good argument here.

00:09:49.560 And that is Tony Perkins from the Family Research Council.

00:09:52.920 America needs Israel more than Israel needs America. 0.96

00:09:56.600 By standing with Israel, we unlock the blessings of God.

00:10:00.320 As God promised Abraham in Genesis 12.3,

00:10:02.780 I will bless those who bless you and I will curse him who curses you.

00:10:07.020 And in you, all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

00:10:10.360 The prophet Joel says nations will be held to account by how they treat Israel. 0.74

00:10:14.300 For behold, in those days and at that time, I will gather all the nations and I will enter into judgment with them there on the account of my people.

00:10:21.720 My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations. 0.99

00:10:25.240 They have also divided up my land.

00:10:28.060 This is not just about ancient empires.

00:10:30.100 This is a prophetic declaration that includes all modern nations, including the United States.

00:10:36.740 For those who say we cannot afford to support Israel, I say we cannot afford not to. 0.88

00:10:41.920 If we abandon our support for Israel, we will soon discover that the account of God's blessing on America is overdrawn.

00:10:49.600 We have long benefited from the undeserved favor of God.

00:10:53.520 This is more than geopolitical.

00:10:55.800 It is about biblical truth.

00:10:57.160 So we have to support the nation state of Israel, because if we don't, God will be totally finished blessing America.

00:11:05.540 That's the argument.

00:11:07.940 I don't quite buy that.

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00:12:21.020 I like Tony Perkins.

00:12:22.720 Do not take this to be a broad attack on Tony Perkins.

00:12:25.780 I think he's right about a ton of things, and he's done a lot of great work.

00:12:28.640 This argument, I think, is pretty weak, though he comes by it honestly.

00:12:33.640 This speaks to a divide among Protestants, and the Catholic view is different from both of these views.

00:12:40.040 But there is a little bit of a divide over the meaning of Israel and the place of the Jewish people in history among Protestants,

00:12:48.040 Protestants, between dispensationalism, dispensational theology, and covenant theology.

00:12:53.920 And dispensationalism is a relatively novel concept proposed and promoted by John Nelson Darby.

00:13:02.060 It's what?

00:13:02.320 It's about two centuries old or so.

00:13:05.780 And then there's covenant theology.

00:13:08.460 Dispensationalism holds that God, as we approach the end times, is going to deal really specifically with the Jews.

00:13:15.060 And an implication of that is that the modern nation state of Israel is really essential to God's plan and is synonymous with biblical Israel.

00:13:24.500 And we need to, we have, as Tony Perkins is pointing out here, we have this religious obligation, not merely political, but also religious obligation, to support the modern nation state of Israel.

00:13:37.580 Covenant theology would say, nah, God's basically done with the Jews as a people and is just dealing with the church now. 0.93

00:13:44.100 And forget about the Jews. 0.98

00:13:45.160 They don't really matter anymore.

00:13:45.960 The Catholic Church, which is my church, you know, I'm a mackerel snapping papist myself, actually takes the truth of both of these positions, the good stuff in both of these positions.

00:13:56.500 Namely, the Catholic Church recognizes that the church is the new Israel, as we are described in, that's amazing.

00:14:04.500 As I said that, the light just came on in the studio, out of the blue.

00:14:06.960 That was a little eerie.

00:14:09.380 That seemed almost providential.

00:14:11.260 That the church is the new Israel, the spiritual Israel.

00:14:13.540 This is attested to in documents of the Second Vatican Council, agentes.

00:14:19.380 This is the traditional understanding of the church, even among Protestants.

00:14:24.040 However, that doesn't mean that God is totally done with the Jews and doesn't care about the Jews as a people anymore.

00:14:28.220 The Catholic Church also holds that God has a plan for the Jews as a people.

00:14:32.380 So you kind of get a little bit of both of these positions in the Catholic view.

00:14:37.000 But what you don't get in the Catholic view or even just the broad traditional view within a variety of Christian perspectives is the notion that the United States has a religious obligation to support the modern nation state of Israel.

00:14:54.120 That, I think, is pretty weak.

00:14:56.300 There are plenty of reasons to have broad support or an alliance with the modern nation state of Israel.

00:15:00.640 But I don't think it's a religious obligation.

00:15:02.460 And I don't think that God turns his back on the United States because we don't support the modern nation state of Israel.

00:15:09.180 Other politicians or other political voices want us all the way in on this war in the Middle East for different reasons.

00:15:15.900 Not for religious reasons, but for security reasons like Lindsey Graham.

00:15:19.620 Can you guarantee that?

00:15:22.260 Can President Trump in any form?

00:15:24.180 I mean, can you make the commitment that this would not lead to a longer war?

00:15:28.720 I can guarantee you that if the Ayatollah gets a nuclear weapon, he will use it. 0.96

00:15:33.000 I believe that with all my heart and soul.

00:15:35.060 So the men and women who serve, they're the ones going, not people answering a poll.

00:15:39.820 And if you ask them, would you be willing to risk your life to stop the Ayatollah from having a nuclear weapon? 0.87

00:15:45.240 And all of them would say yes, because it makes their country, our country safer.

00:15:49.940 So we live in a world where you've got to confront problems.

00:15:52.880 You want to avoid World War III? 0.87

00:15:54.800 Learn the lessons from World War II.

00:15:56.960 People in World War II appeased Hitler to the point that it got so much out of hand.

00:16:02.680 We had a world war and 60 million people got killed.

00:16:05.920 So we live in a world where you pay now or you pay later.

00:16:08.840 Let's stop this threat before he gets a nuclear weapon. 0.99

00:16:11.820 Let's end this reign of terror.

00:16:13.580 Let's do it now.

00:16:14.480 It's not going to take 20 months, but I can't guarantee you your freedom and your safety unless we're willing to fight for it.

00:16:21.260 I can guarantee you this.

00:16:22.580 If we don't fight for our freedom, we will lose it.

00:16:25.160 Yeah, well, Senator.

00:16:26.280 Okay, so I'm sure most people could have scripted Lindsey Graham's response to this without hearing a word that he actually said.

00:16:34.260 We need to go in, boots on the ground.

00:16:37.000 We need to take over Iran. 1.00

00:16:38.760 We need to be there for indefinitely, however long it takes.

00:16:42.420 And we have to do this because if we don't, we're Neville Chamberlain and every global conflict is World War II and every enemy is Hitler. 0.57

00:16:50.480 And we, they threaten our freedom and they're going to pose an existential threat.

00:16:56.740 So we need to occupy every country in the Middle East and incite revolutions there and there's just no appetite for this.

00:17:08.300 There was not a lot of appetite for this the first time around in 2003 with Iraq.

00:17:12.580 And there's really no appetite after Iraq and no one really believes this.

00:17:17.020 Even the people who are open to some military support for this war in Iran, even people who recognize that America has alliances, not just with the state of Israel, but with Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

00:17:30.200 And we kind of get along with Qatar a little bit and we recognize their regional kinds of axes here and Iran has alliances with Russia and China and Venezuela and North Korea.

00:17:40.660 So we kind of want to oppose them.

00:17:42.020 And even the people who take a more nuanced view of foreign policy, I guess you would say, especially the people who take a more nuanced view of foreign policy.

00:17:50.360 Don't, don't, don't go along with Lindsey Graham's prescription here.

00:17:55.320 There is zero appetite among the Republican base to go in and just have American troops be sitting targets in Iran to overthrow the government of Iran to occupy that place forever where we'll supposedly be greeted as liberators and where, where we can be totally confident that we won't make the situation worse.

00:18:16.540 Really? Is that what happened in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya?

00:18:20.580 You remember Libya? Oh, that was going to be easy. 1.00

00:18:22.060 That was going to be two days.

00:18:23.000 And we totally botched that from the political standpoint.

00:18:27.120 It was just, we're not buying that.

00:18:30.480 So then what about regime change?

00:18:33.520 Should we boot out the mullahs? 1.00

00:18:35.380 The mullahs are terrible. 1.00

00:18:36.180 They hate America. 1.00

00:18:37.440 They've been a problem for us for 45 years now.

00:18:41.100 So it's not that they're great.

00:18:42.400 But I, for one, tend to prefer the devil we know to the devil we don't.

00:18:49.180 So when, even going back all the way to Saddam Hussein, when people call to oust Saddam Hussein, people call to oust Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, people call to oust Bashar Assad in Syria, my inclination is, well, hold on.

00:19:01.880 Yeah, maybe those guys are a little rough.

00:19:03.920 Maybe we don't like them.

00:19:05.140 But are we sure that the devil we don't know is really better than the devil we do know?

00:19:09.440 I'm not positive of that.

00:19:10.400 In fact, I'm deeply skeptical of that.

00:19:12.860 Same thing in Iran.

00:19:14.840 Iran is a real country.

00:19:16.760 If you just blow up the political leadership there, who's to say the situation's not going to get worse?

00:19:21.520 Now, there is one little inkling that you could have regime change in Iran that is more successful than it was in Iraq or Afghanistan or Libya or elsewhere.

00:19:34.460 And the one little wrinkle is, because Iran is a real country and has more of a political order to it, we got this guy, the crown prince Riza Pahlavi, who is the son of the deposed Shah of Iran.

00:19:48.080 So, with the question, who comes next, one potential answer to that is, well, what about the crown prince?

00:19:54.800 You put that guy in there.

00:19:56.340 Iran has a living history of this guy's family ruling Iran.

00:20:01.020 Maybe he could just come in and take it over and you'd have relative stability even ousting the government.

00:20:07.040 That is certainly what the crown prince wants to do.

00:20:10.580 There is a campaign for liberation that we've been committed to all these years.

00:20:15.740 The moment is approaching very fast.

00:20:18.080 The regime is on the verge of collapse.

00:20:20.740 We see elements within the regime already talking defections.

00:20:24.520 They get in touch with us.

00:20:25.660 We see a leader who is now hiding in a bunker like a rat, while many high elements are taking flight from Iran.

00:20:34.900 I think all of this is conducive to something that may very soon happen.

00:20:38.440 And finally, my fellow compatriots will be able to overcome.

00:20:43.040 And, of course, there's a plan not only for this phase of our struggle, which is liberation from this regime, but what happens right next.

00:20:50.840 The transition to what we hope will culminate in a democratic outcome.

00:20:55.660 Okay, so this is by far best-case scenario in regime change.

00:21:01.520 If there is regime change, best-case scenario, we install the crown prince, we basically reinstall the Shah, and you have a familiar political order in Iran that the Iranian people had up until 1979. 0.69

00:21:14.080 We've already killed a lot of the top military leadership there, or the Israelis have, and we've supported it. 1.00

00:21:18.260 And it's unclear where Israel begins and we end.

00:21:20.520 But in any case, you keep a lot of the apparatus.

00:21:23.600 You don't make the mistake we made in Iraq where you disband the Iraqi army or something.

00:21:27.140 You keep as much of the political apparatus as you can tolerate, and you just impose this new guy there, the crown prince, and then hopefully everything goes all right.

00:21:36.960 So, look, maybe.

00:21:39.980 To me, that is the strongest case the pro-regime change side could possibly make.

00:21:45.700 But there's a wrinkle to that, too.

00:21:47.720 And it actually gets to one of my biggest political hobby horses.

00:21:50.620 You know, I've joked, am I joking, over the years about Jacobitism. 1.00

00:21:56.260 Jacobitism, which is this movement that came out of the UK because James II of England, King of England, was deposed in the 17th century.

00:22:05.980 And he was thrown out by parliament in an illegitimate act of parliamentary supremacy, and they dragged in these interlopers, William and Mary of Orange, and James II went into exile.

00:22:16.860 James II's grandson, Charles Edward Stewart, decided that he was going to mount a return to the throne.

00:22:23.640 The Bonnie Prince, Bonnie Prince Charlie.

00:22:25.300 And there are all these beautiful legends that come out of all these great songs.

00:22:28.220 You know, ye Jacobites by name, well be king but Charlie. 0.97

00:22:32.220 My Bonnie, you know the song My Bonnie?

00:22:33.520 My Bonnie lies over the ocean.

00:22:35.520 My Bonnie, that song, it's not just a love song.

00:22:37.080 It's actually about Bonnie Prince Charlie.

00:22:38.020 So there's this whole romantic lore that comes out of this because the grandson of the deposed rightful king is going to come back and reclaim the throne.

00:22:46.040 All sorts of Christian echoes to this.

00:22:48.500 But when he actually tried to do it, it was a complete disaster.

00:22:51.840 And the ground of Scotland was soaked in the blood of the Jacobites. 0.99

00:22:56.280 And after the Battle of Culloden, he went off and lived on the continent for the rest of history, the rest of his life rather.

00:23:03.360 And Jacobites, actually some of them came to America.

00:23:06.460 And it just flopped.

00:23:08.280 Okay.

00:23:08.560 So there is a real risk, even for the people, the Lindsey Grimm's of the world, or even the people who say, look, this is going to be an easy regime change.

00:23:15.860 It's not Iraq. 0.92

00:23:16.500 It's not Libya.

00:23:17.240 It's not Afghanistan. 0.67

00:23:19.780 It's going to be easy.

00:23:20.400 We got a guy.

00:23:21.100 We're going to put him in.

00:23:21.740 It's going to be.

00:23:22.100 Well, does Riza Pallavi have the goods?

00:23:27.060 Can he do it?

00:23:29.560 I'm a little skeptical.

00:23:30.540 I grant there is a better chance for success of regime change in Iran than there was in other countries.

00:23:37.220 Can he really do it?

00:23:38.360 Are we going to end up with another Bonnie Prince Charlie here and another country thrown into chaos in the Middle East and more regional instability that takes our attention off places like Ukraine and Russia, off places like Taiwan?

00:23:55.880 That's the question.

00:23:56.880 Are we at war?

00:23:57.540 We are somewhat at war, but we're somewhat at war in Ukraine.

00:24:01.400 Okay, when we, you know, the United States, U.S. politicians will refer to our winning the war in Ukraine, our standing up against Putin, whatever.

00:24:11.720 It's still the Ukrainians technically fighting, but we're supplying them a lot of the military equipment, and we're advising them.

00:24:19.080 Same thing's going on here.

00:24:20.920 Empires fight wars. 0.93

00:24:22.900 But empires can also fall, too, if they stretch themselves too thin.

00:24:25.960 Those are the stakes right now.

00:24:28.420 The person who had the best take on this, I think, best explanation of this, of anyone who's gone on TV or gone on social media, it's actually the vice president, J.D. Vance.

00:24:37.280 We'll get into what his perspective is, which is a little different from a lot of what we've heard.

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00:25:10.980 Okay, best take before we move on from Iran and get to important stuff like terminal lucidity and Alzheimer's researchers proving that the intellect is distinct from the mind and that materialism is fake and stupid and all the rest. 0.99

00:25:24.780 J.D. Vance tweets out this long post. 0.99

00:25:29.240 He posts these long explainer posts, and because he's quite intelligent and quite articulate, and I think his political views are quite in line, not only with the base, but especially with young conservatives.

00:25:41.080 He, I'm just going to read a little bit of this.

00:25:44.520 He says,

00:25:45.460 Look, I'm seeing this from the inside, and I'm admittedly biased toward our president, my friend, but there's a lot of crazy stuff on social media, so I want to address some things directly on the Iran issue.

00:25:54.540 First, POTUS has been amazingly consistent over 10 years that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

00:26:00.580 This is funny.

00:26:01.280 This post came out yesterday, a couple hours or something after I wrapped my show, and I was pleased to see that first point because I said,

00:26:08.800 Oh, right, that was the open of my show.

00:26:10.480 It was basically like, hey, you can attack Trump because you don't want to go to war in the Middle East or whatever, but you can't attack him for lying.

00:26:17.040 He's been telling you for 10 years straight he is not going to allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon.

00:26:24.860 Then J.D. goes on.

00:26:25.860 He says,

00:26:26.640 Iran could have civilian nuclear power without enrichment, but Iran rejected that.

00:26:30.060 Meanwhile, they've enriched uranium far above the level necessary for any civilian purpose.

00:26:34.140 Great.

00:26:34.660 This is the cause of his belly right here.

00:26:35.980 This is the justification for some kind of action, at least on the part of Israel.

00:26:40.920 And then he says,

00:26:41.460 The president has shown remarkable restraint in keeping our military's focus on protecting our troops and protecting our citizens.

00:26:47.520 He may decide he needs to take further action to end Iranian enrichment. 0.55

00:26:50.720 That decision ultimately belongs to the president. 0.99

00:26:52.700 And of course, people are right to be worried about foreign entanglement after the last 25 years of idiotic foreign policy. 0.98

00:26:58.820 But I believe the president has earned some trust on this issue. 0.94

00:27:02.500 And having seen this up close and personal, I can assure you that he is only interested in using the American military to accomplish the American people's goals.

00:27:10.640 Whatever he does, that is his focus.

00:27:13.560 That is precisely my view.

00:27:15.600 That is precisely my view.

00:27:18.080 The vice president clearly has his finger on the pulse, because at least he's got his finger on the pulse of my political views.

00:27:23.260 This is precisely my view.

00:27:27.880 It's not that all of a sudden we want to go back in and drop bombs in the Middle East and swap out regimes and lead revolutions.

00:27:34.280 I don't want that.

00:27:35.480 Maybe Lindsey Graham wants that. 1.00

00:27:36.420 I don't want that.

00:27:38.000 I don't think most Republicans want that.

00:27:40.800 But likewise, Trump has been consistent on not allowing Iran to get a nuclear weapon.

00:27:46.660 One can question how close Iran is to a nuclear weapon.

00:27:50.560 We've been hearing that Iran's close to a nuclear weapon for 45 years.

00:27:53.040 But there have been some setbacks to the Iranian nuclear program.

00:27:55.320 And anyway, I don't think Trump is just lying to us or something.

00:27:59.360 And I think he's a pretty shrewd guy.

00:28:00.840 And I think, I guess, ultimately, when we're talking all the way, what we're talking about at the top of the show, the War Powers Act,

00:28:05.740 the fact that the executive has a lot of discretion for the use of the military, at least for a couple months, really three months.

00:28:12.520 I think Trump has earned at least some trust on this issue.

00:28:18.700 We don't put all of our faith in princes.

00:28:20.820 We don't do anything like that.

00:28:22.020 But I think Trump has earned at least some trust on this issue.

00:28:25.360 I think the people are screaming and panicking and always say that the walls are closing in and Trump's about to destroy the country. 0.96

00:28:30.220 On the left and some people on the right have made themselves out to be fools time and time again. 0.96

00:28:36.880 I agree with the vice president. 0.94

00:28:38.960 I think Trump has earned some trust on this issue.

00:28:40.880 He's giving us a little bit of an inside view here.

00:28:42.900 I'm not working in the White House.

00:28:44.640 I don't know what's going on.

00:28:45.900 That's the inside view.

00:28:47.260 I think Trump has shown a great deal of restraint so far.

00:28:50.920 So as I say, we let him cook a little bit.

00:28:53.100 I think he, not ad infinitum, but for now, I think he's earned a fair bit of trust on the issue.

00:28:59.320 Okay, speaking of lucidity, lucid views, really interesting news story just came out.

00:29:06.380 Flashes of lucidity.

00:29:08.280 This is from El Pai.

00:29:09.940 It's a science article.

00:29:11.860 Flashes of lucidity before death.

00:29:13.540 The debate shaking up neuroscience.

00:29:15.200 Near-death experiences.

00:29:17.040 And terminal lucidity raise questions about what we know about consciousness.

00:29:21.900 And it opens up with one of these stories that, you know, many of us have experienced.

00:29:26.720 Which is, you have a loved one who, well, I'll just read the testimony.

00:29:30.900 My mother had advanced Alzheimer's.

00:29:32.120 She no longer recognized us and seemed indifferent to the strangers who visited her once or twice a week.

00:29:35.740 The day before she died, however, everything changed.

00:29:38.580 Not only did she recognize us, but she wanted to know what had happened to each of us in the past year.

00:29:43.600 This happens.

00:29:45.580 Where, where dementia patients, Alzheimer's patients who are really out of it, who might not even be able to speak.

00:29:51.040 Right at the end, they kind of snap back in.

00:29:55.000 Totally.

00:29:55.500 Oh, Nancy Reagan talked about this.

00:29:56.780 Nancy Reagan said that at the very end, Ronald Reagan had been out of it for years.

00:30:00.260 And then finally, in moments before he died, he just opened his eyes, looked right at her.

00:30:04.880 They, he was totally back on.

00:30:07.200 Totally plugged in.

00:30:09.040 What explains that?

00:30:10.280 I love this science article because often, and increasingly actually, scientific studies prove that scientism is nonsense and prove more classical and indeed Christian philosophical and anthropological assumptions.

00:30:27.280 For one, that we're not just matter, that we're not just stuff.

00:30:32.440 There is a modern presumption, a false one, in my humble opinion, that our identity, our consciousness, our soul, if you want to call it that, is really just our brain.

00:30:46.080 That our mind and our brain are synonymous.

00:30:49.300 And that what we refer to as the mind or the intellect or even the soul is just synapses firing off in matter.

00:30:56.740 That is not possible.

00:30:59.020 And the classical Christian tradition and the scholastic tradition and people like St. Thomas Aquinas, not a day goes by on the show, I don't mention something from St. Thomas Aquinas.

00:31:07.260 These guys demonstrate that quite easily.

00:31:08.960 The way St. Thomas Aquinas does in Summa Contra Gentiles or the Summa Theologiae is to point out that the intellect or the mind receives certain forms, forms using the language of Plato or Aristotle.

00:31:26.060 So like to bring it down to earth, the eye receives colors.

00:31:32.840 That's the kind of stuff, substances that the eye receives.

00:31:37.300 So the eye doesn't receive smells.

00:31:41.060 You don't smell through your eye.

00:31:42.540 The eye doesn't receive texture.

00:31:45.320 You don't feel through your eye.

00:31:46.500 You see through your eye.

00:31:48.600 Colors.

00:31:49.840 That's what the eye deals with.

00:31:51.780 What does the intellect deal with?

00:31:53.680 The intellect doesn't just deal with material stuff.

00:31:56.820 Your hands deal with material stuff.

00:31:58.020 I'm feeling the microphone.

00:31:59.020 I'm feeling the leftist ears tumbler.

00:32:00.280 I'm smelling the delicious Mayflower cigars with my nose.

00:32:02.820 The nose deals.

00:32:03.360 But the mind, the intellect doesn't just deal with material stuff.

00:32:06.080 The intellect deals with abstract things, immaterial substances, notions of justice, of equality, mathematics, things that are abstract.

00:32:19.820 Therefore, the intellect cannot merely be matter, cannot merely be a body.

00:32:25.640 Because the body cannot receive things and deal in things that are so beyond it, that are immaterial.

00:32:33.780 That's it.

00:32:34.240 That's what Thomas Aquinas would say.

00:32:37.260 That's what the classical philosophical and Christian tradition holds. 1.00

00:32:40.260 Modern people say, no, that's all just dumb. 1.00

00:32:42.160 The soul is fake. 1.00

00:32:43.000 It's imaginary.

00:32:44.200 We're all just matter.

00:32:45.320 You know, Karl Marx is a materialist.

00:32:46.880 A lot of modern philosophy is materialism.

00:32:48.280 Well, science is saying no.

00:32:51.440 Because let's just say that the modern people are right.

00:32:56.440 And the brain is just matter.

00:32:57.760 It's just stuff.

00:32:59.320 Well, and the mind is just stuff.

00:33:02.880 Alzheimer's disease is plaque on the brain.

00:33:05.700 Alzheimer's disease is irreversible.

00:33:07.480 There's no cure for it.

00:33:08.720 And you just get plaque on your brain and your brain stops working.

00:33:11.460 And that's why your memory fails.

00:33:12.600 And that's why you lose your ability to communicate. 0.83

00:33:15.460 And, you know, you become kind of a vegetable.

00:33:18.540 If that is all that your intellect is, I'm not saying the intellect doesn't relate to the brain.

00:33:22.360 It certainly does.

00:33:23.180 I'm not saying that the mind doesn't relate to the body.

00:33:25.400 I'm certainly not saying the soul doesn't relate to the body.

00:33:27.180 But if that's all that it is, terminal lucidity makes absolutely no sense.

00:33:32.980 But if your intellect is something different, then terminal lucidity makes sense.

00:33:37.880 Near-death experiences make sense.

00:33:39.080 Where people can, as they are clinically dead, can see their bodies, can describe the operating room,

00:33:45.460 that they were ostensibly dead in, that, you know, they wouldn't have seen with their own eyes.

00:33:49.940 That's, there is, to quote Hamlet, since we're quoting old people, 0.73

00:33:54.620 there is more in heaven and earth than is dreamt of in our modern philosophy, Horatio.

00:33:58.940 No question about that.

00:33:59.780 Now, speaking of intellect and modern prejudices that are dumb and the old gods of the copybook headings being vindicated,

00:34:08.600 there is a notion that I've heard since I was in school, and now it's gone viral on TikTok,

00:34:14.580 namely that we know so much more than the founding fathers, than the old philosophers,

00:34:21.860 than the men who built our civilization.

00:34:24.220 We know so much more than them.

00:34:26.400 And I'll tell you why we don't.

00:34:28.820 And also, terrible new law out of the UK.

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00:35:28.980 Wow, and of course, of course this comment was picked by the Drummer's Workshop Norm's Music.

00:35:34.060 I really don't see it, but Drummer's Workshop Norm's Music has probably picked more of my favorite comments of the day over the years.

00:35:40.140 Despite all the viewers of the show, then this one might be my favorite ever.

00:35:43.380 Michael is like, I hate to say, I had told you so.

00:35:50.440 I had told you so.

00:35:53.980 I had told you so.

00:35:55.180 That's good.

00:35:56.040 That's good, man.

00:35:56.920 That's good.

00:35:57.320 Okay. 1.00

00:35:58.960 Are the Founding Fathers dumber than a modern-day 12-year-old? 0.99

00:36:02.060 When the Founding Fathers made this great country, I'm going to stop you right there. 0.99

00:36:07.320 The Founding Fathers owned slaves.

00:36:08.700 The Founding Fathers had less access to education than a modern-day 12-year-old.

00:36:12.100 They don't know anything.

00:36:13.560 I don't care what they wanted.

00:36:14.840 I don't care what they think.

00:36:16.100 It's unconstitutional.

00:36:17.340 I should hope so.

00:36:18.720 The Constitution was written by people who didn't think women should vote. 0.67

00:36:21.260 The Constitution was written by people who had 15-year-old wives dying in childbirth frequently.

00:36:27.140 The Constitution was written by people who had little cartoon Elmer Fudd shotguns, not

00:36:31.420 automatic war machines capable of ripping down 100 children in a minute and have and will

00:36:37.340 again.

00:36:38.180 The whole point is to change.

00:36:40.500 The whole point is to progressively make better decisions so we do not repeat the atrocities

00:36:48.180 of our ancestors.

00:36:49.040 Okay, so I think she got a few of the facts a little off there.

00:36:53.780 The Elmer Fudd shotgun.

00:36:55.540 I think she got a few.

00:36:56.120 But her thesis is totally wrong.

00:36:58.440 And I've been told this thesis since I was in school, and you might have too.

00:37:02.740 Namely, we are so much smarter, not only than the Founding Fathers, than Aristotle and Plato.

00:37:08.540 We just know so much more.

00:37:09.960 We have, I have, in this little magical device, virtually the sum total of human knowledge

00:37:16.220 at my fingertips.

00:37:17.240 And in this girl's defense, she does, she qualifies her language.

00:37:22.100 She says, we have access to, the modern day 12-year-old has access to more information

00:37:27.280 and education than the Founding Fathers.

00:37:31.180 That's almost plausibly true, because we have iPhones and stuff.

00:37:35.040 But it's not, it's practically, it's not true.

00:37:36.740 Practically, we have much less access to education than the Founding Fathers, or than Plato and

00:37:43.840 Aristotle did, or really than an illiterate medieval serf.

00:37:47.100 We have much less access, practically.

00:37:51.460 And here's why.

00:37:52.960 Yes, we have public education.

00:37:55.100 But public education doesn't teach us, not only does it not teach us very much and very

00:37:59.240 important things, it teaches us a lot of things that aren't true.

00:38:01.980 About our country, about our history, it totally ignores philosophy, consciously, and when it

00:38:07.920 does make philosophical arguments, it sort of hides them, and it says things that are

00:38:12.820 false.

00:38:13.060 All the way down to the level of human anthropology, and the most obvious example being telling

00:38:17.700 boys that they can be girls.

00:38:19.740 So, public school, that's out.

00:38:21.860 But even all the way up to the most elite, prestigious colleges and universities, Harvard,

00:38:26.460 Princeton, Yale, Stanford, all these places.

00:38:30.200 Most people don't get to go to those places, and the ones who do are told things that are

00:38:33.600 false.

00:38:35.420 In some ways, it's better for a lot of people not to go to those schools.

00:38:38.260 The founding fathers, one, were very well-educated, and two, were told things that were broadly

00:38:47.900 true.

00:38:49.220 So, even if they didn't have iPhones, they had much readier access to true information,

00:38:55.140 and they had teachers that were much more inclined to teach them true things.

00:38:59.020 They had much better pedagogy.

00:39:01.240 We don't know very much.

00:39:03.600 We are really barbarians.

00:39:04.980 You know, I was reading a line from Tertullian the other day, the ancient Christian writer.

00:39:09.060 I think it was Tertullian.

00:39:11.300 Might have been another early Christian writer, but I think it was Tertullian, who said, he

00:39:14.920 said, you know, we Christians, we're different from the pagans, in that we share everything

00:39:20.980 with each other, except our wives.

00:39:23.940 And the pagans are the opposite.

00:39:25.580 They don't share anything with each other, except their wives. 0.53

00:39:28.880 And you look around today, and you think, wow, man, everything old is new again.

00:39:33.260 The ancient pagans considered themselves very tolerant.

00:39:37.240 They would accept any god into their pantheon, but you just can't make exclusive claims about

00:39:41.580 there only being one god.

00:39:43.160 And they were pretty fun-loving and free.

00:39:45.180 You could live your life however you want.

00:39:46.720 You do you.

00:39:47.320 You know, love is love, man.

00:39:48.820 And they would do a lot of weird sex stuff. 0.83

00:39:51.120 There was like sacred prostitution in their pagan temples, and they would do drugs, and they 0.97

00:39:55.020 would get really drunk at their festivals.

00:39:56.800 And they would, they were just, we have this idea, because it was in the old timey past,

00:40:01.720 that paganism is some old foreign thing that we can't possibly, paganism is just basically

00:40:07.620 what we have today. 0.98

00:40:08.440 And the modern-day pagans partake of all the same vices, the weird sex stuff, and the drugs. 0.85

00:40:16.900 They partake of all the same philosophical errors, the misbegotten view of tolerance, 0.71

00:40:23.380 and the notion that a kind of limitless false religion will somehow be conducive to civic

00:40:31.960 virtue, all the same stuff.

00:40:33.420 And they're leading us down the same rotten path, the very same rotten path.

00:40:38.280 You know, there's a claim in antiquity that Christianity was the cause of the fall of

00:40:43.220 the Roman Empire.

00:40:44.000 And as we now, we're discussing empire a lot because we're involved in these imperial

00:40:47.080 wars in Ukraine, in Iran, in all of, maybe some more popping off.

00:40:53.160 And they say, you know, actually the cause of the fall of Rome was Christianity.

00:40:56.720 Back when we worshiped the old pagan gods, things were fine. 0.99

00:40:59.660 But then once Christianity came about, all of a sudden Rome started to crack. 0.98

00:41:02.540 And St. Augustine writes City of God in part to counter that narrative.

00:41:06.240 He says, no, no, no, the issue is not Christianity.

00:41:10.340 The issue is that paganism has led you all so far astray that you no longer even have

00:41:18.240 the good old solid stoic virtues of Rome.

00:41:21.360 You've become total derelicts.

00:41:24.660 Christianity is still being persecuted.

00:41:27.400 Okay, it's not that Christianity is not the true religion.

00:41:30.320 It's not that morality and virtue have led you astray.

00:41:34.740 It's your old gods and turning away from the best that you can find in natural religion

00:41:39.720 and embracing all of the vices.

00:41:41.460 That's kind of where we are.

00:41:43.120 And the kicker on top of all of it is we think that we're geniuses.

00:41:48.460 We think that we're so moral.

00:41:50.020 We promote orgies and drug-filled Bacchanals.

00:41:53.400 And we think that that's the height of morality. 0.98

00:41:56.720 We promote nonsense.

00:41:59.720 And we think that we're geniuses.

00:42:00.880 We say boys are girls.

00:42:02.520 And we say, wow, we're so much smarter than the founding fathers. 1.00

00:42:04.760 Pretty pathetic. 0.99

00:42:05.560 Okay, speaking of children, one last story to get to before we head out of here. 0.99

00:42:09.600 The UK has just passed a horrific new law.

00:42:13.320 UK lawmakers have just voted to decriminalize abortion,

00:42:16.960 basically at any stage of pregnancy.

00:42:18.580 So they voted yesterday to decriminalize abortion in England and Wales

00:42:22.920 because a woman, a lawmaker, argued that it was cruel 1.00

00:42:27.600 to prosecute women for ending a pregnancy.

00:42:31.580 Even, no woman would be prosecuted up to 24 weeks,

00:42:36.540 well after a baby is able to live on his own outside in the womb,

00:42:39.380 well after a baby is recognizable even to the most morally obtuse people as being a baby.

00:42:43.800 But no, even late, 30 weeks, 39 weeks, I'd be wrong to prosecute a woman for that.

00:42:50.560 Labor MP Tonia Antoniazzi, when did they let the Italians into the UK?

00:42:54.500 She says, this piece of legislation will only take women out of the criminal justice system 1.00

00:42:59.260 because they're vulnerable and they need our help.

00:43:00.980 Just what public interest is this serving?

00:43:03.680 This is not justice, it's cruelty and it's got to end.

00:43:07.000 What purpose, what public interest does it serve to protect babies

00:43:10.520 who are totally recognizable as babies, 39 weeks and six days old?

00:43:17.220 What public interest is served by not allowing butchers to chop them up as they exit the womb?

00:43:22.720 This amendment to the law passed 379 to 137, wasn't even close.

00:43:28.840 Means that in practice, it will legalize abortion up until the moment of birth.

00:43:33.920 Totally barbaric, totally pagan. 0.99

00:43:36.840 You know, in Christianity, abortion has always been condemned, going all the way back to the didache,

00:43:42.260 going back to the earliest catechism we have consistently throughout the history of the church.

00:43:46.460 Various schismatic, supposedly Christian groups have embraced abortion,

00:43:51.520 but they're vile heretics and they'll have to answer for that. 0.86

00:43:54.960 The church has been consistent for 2,000 years. 0.99

00:43:59.100 In paganism, in classical antiquity, paganism killed babies. 0.99

00:44:02.120 Paganism had gay marriage, they had gay marriage, Nero got gay married because he castrated a slave boy. 0.99

00:44:10.120 I think he got gay married twice, actually. 0.89

00:44:11.700 It's kind of, by the way, if you want to argue that same-sex marriage is actually ancient,

00:44:15.580 it's not some innovation, it's not some novel thing.

00:44:17.860 No, no, no, it's actually ancient.

00:44:19.000 Yeah, well, the example you can point to is Nero.

00:44:20.780 That's not a good justification for your policy.

00:44:22.860 But it's not just same-sex marriage, and it's not just abortion,

00:44:25.960 and it's not just the drugs, and it's not just the false conception of tolerance.

00:44:29.100 It's the whole thing, quite pagan, quite decadent. 0.54

00:44:34.880 I don't even want to call it barbaric, because in many ways, when Rome fell,

00:44:38.860 the barbarians were much more moral, had a much keener sense of ethics and morality

00:44:44.560 than the supposedly sophisticated Romans did. 0.98

00:44:47.440 What the UK is saying about this law is they're saying,

00:44:50.560 this gets rid of an outdated, passé Victorian-era protection of innocent babies.

00:44:59.980 What period would you say was more civilized?

00:45:03.560 The Victorian era or today?

00:45:06.020 The Victorian era when England was on top of the world,

00:45:09.000 or today when London looks like Karachi and the country's falling apart with race riots and rape gangs?

00:45:15.720 Today, when the best law the UK can muster is not to protect its own citizens

00:45:19.900 from foreign invaders and rapists and marauders. 1.00

00:45:22.900 No, no, the best law they can muster is to kill more of their own children. 1.00

00:45:25.840 What kind of era should we seek to emulate? 0.96

00:45:30.960 Modern decadents are the much maligned and much better Victorian era.

00:45:36.460 It's a lesson.

00:45:37.420 It's a lesson for us, too.

00:45:39.260 Well, we're getting a lot of lessons from all around the world,

00:45:41.520 not just the Middle East and not just the UK.

00:45:44.300 These are lessons that we can take to heart at home.

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The Michael Knowles Show - June 18, 2025

Ep. 1757 - We're Officially Not Not At War

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