The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1764 - “Brain-Dead” Woman Gives Birth To A Baby

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00:00:37.780 The Supreme Court deals a major blow to Planned Parenthood just days after the birth of a baby from a supposedly brain-dead woman

00:00:46.660 causes not only infanticidal leftists but even a prominent pro-lifer to criticize the abortion ban that saved the baby's life.

00:00:55.060 I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.

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00:02:47.860 Great news out of the Supreme Court.

00:02:49.860 Here we have the decision. There's just one page of it.

00:02:51.980 Obviously, these decisions are a little bit longer.

00:02:54.000 But the upshot of the Supreme Court decision is that state Medicaid programs don't have to fund Planned Parenthood.

00:03:03.660 Your tax dollars, through state Medicaid programs, do not need to pay to murder babies.

00:03:11.380 And this is a great Supreme Court decision.

00:03:14.220 Huge congratulations to Alliance Defending Freedom, which just keeps racking up wins.

00:03:17.860 But it shows you how much ground conservatives had lost in recent decades.

00:03:23.760 The fact that we have to celebrate this victory, the fact that we have to celebrate the victory that, you know, I don't know, that men, that states are allowed to pass laws against castrating little kids so that men don't pretend to have a right to be women or something like that.

00:03:42.720 I mean, it's crazy how much ground we've lost.

00:03:46.380 But what specifically does this do?

00:03:48.700 This case rules on a South Carolina woman and Planned Parenthood, which claimed a legal right to bring a lawsuit challenging South Carolina's decision to keep Planned Parenthood out of the state's Medicaid program.

00:04:03.240 Now, South Carolina took Planned Parenthood out of the state's Medicaid program because Planned Parenthood exists to slaughter babies.

00:04:13.920 Federal law already prohibits tax dollars from going to abortions.

00:04:18.380 So you'd say, OK, well, how on earth does Planned Parenthood get the money anyway?

00:04:24.580 And the answer is that Planned Parenthood pretends to do other stuff.

00:04:28.280 So they say, OK, look, we and they do it technically, you know, they say, OK, we pass out condoms sometimes.

00:04:33.780 So, OK, that means that not all of our money goes to abortion.

00:04:38.420 So, hey, you give me millions and millions of dollars and I'm not going to use the millions and millions of dollars for abortion.

00:04:45.400 I'm going to use the millions and millions of dollars to keep the lights on.

00:04:48.380 Or to keep the rent paid or to but but of course, money is fungible.

00:04:53.280 So if you're giving any money to Planned Parenthood, which is an abortion bill, then you are paying for abortions.

00:04:57.500 So it's a 6-3 vote.

00:04:58.840 And the court says an opinion written by Neil Gorsuch that the Medicaid Act requiring states to ensure that Medicaid patients can obtain care from any qualified provider does not create.

00:05:11.600 A clear and unambiguous right that the Supreme Court would need to see in order to allow this lawsuit to go through all good stuff.

00:05:20.300 Really glad to see it.

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00:05:29.020 I think we do have our aim set higher and we need to claw back as much ground as we possibly can.

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00:05:54.540 We won't have them forever.

00:05:56.600 So we got to make hay while the sun shines.

00:05:59.080 Now, on abortion, on pro-life politics, there's an amazing story.

00:06:04.380 Really, it's a sad story.

00:06:06.920 It's also got a ray of hope to this story, but it's a really bizarre one.

00:06:12.160 There's this woman, Adriana Smith in Georgia.

00:06:15.780 This woman was declared brain dead in February.

00:06:20.080 She was pregnant.

00:06:21.700 And she was kept alive, but she was brain dead.

00:06:26.380 But she was kept alive, and her baby kept growing.

00:06:30.800 And the reason that she was kept on ventilators and life support was so that her baby could be saved.

00:06:37.600 And then she was born via emergency C-section.

00:06:42.160 And this should be, you know, the silver lining in a storm cloud.

00:06:46.080 This should be the ray of hope in this otherwise terribly sad story.

00:06:49.380 Except people are furious about it.

00:06:51.620 The pro-abortion crowd is furious that this baby is alive.

00:06:55.060 So there's one comment that went viral from the left, from the infanticidal left.

00:06:59.960 It says, I still hope the baby doesn't survive more than another day or two.

00:07:07.480 People are seriously not understanding the precedent across the country that will happen if the baby survives.

00:07:14.660 It really is the absolute worst thing that can happen.

00:07:18.900 7.9,000 retweets, 107,000 likes, 3.3,000 bookmarks, not even ratioed, under 1,000 replies.

00:07:30.680 So I was tempted to think initially that this was satirical, dark satire, but there's satirical of the left-wing position.

00:07:40.540 I don't think it is, but even if it were, all of the retweets, all of the likes, not being ratioed, suggest, no, this is a mainstream position, saying, no, no, no, you can't.

00:07:48.720 But if we admit that the baby is a baby, if the baby survives and it is possible, and now we have really firm, undeniable proof, the baby is a baby, the baby is a separate person.

00:08:02.660 If we see this example of a mother living for a longer period of time on life support, then that'll kill our abortion ideology. 1.00

00:08:13.460 And our abortion ideology, our political ability to persuade people to kill babies is worth more than the life of this actual baby who happily survived.

00:08:24.820 But it's not just the left.

00:08:26.760 So this is ghoulish stuff.

00:08:28.040 The notion that you want the baby to die because the baby was able to be saved, which tells you that the baby is his own person, which tells you that life is good, which suggests that maybe,

00:08:43.460 the baby has a right to life.

00:08:44.900 So the infanticidal left has this, to my mind, demonic hatred of life, of innocent life.

00:08:53.940 They love guilty life.

00:08:55.220 They love getting people on death row off, serial killers and rapists and total freaks.

00:09:00.540 But innocent life, little babies, grandma, grandpa, they want to kill those people.

00:09:05.780 So they're for abortion.

00:09:07.460 They're for so-called euthanasia, for all these things.

00:09:11.560 But it's not just the left.

00:09:14.080 There is a very, very prominent pro-life activist, Abby Johnson.

00:09:17.500 I like Abby a lot.

00:09:19.680 But Abby also had problems with this story.

00:09:23.400 She tweets out,

00:09:24.520 I know I'm the very odd man out in this Georgia situation where a woman is being essentially used as an incubator to keep the child alive.

00:09:33.280 She was pronounced brain dead when her unborn child was nine weeks along,

00:09:37.280 and she is being kept artificially alive for now over 11 weeks in order to continue the pregnancy.

00:09:42.340 I have a huge ethical problem with this.

00:09:44.140 Death is natural.

00:09:45.200 Keeping people alive by dehumanizing the mother into the form of an incubator is, in my opinion, unethical in dehumanizing.

00:09:51.800 Women are not made to have babies even if they are dead. 1.00

00:09:54.300 Natural death is okay.

00:09:57.620 Life and death are two places in medicine where we have gone too far.

00:10:00.920 We've created too many ways to create life.

00:10:02.880 She's right about that.

00:10:03.660 And we have created too many ways to extend life instead of letting people die peacefully.

00:10:10.220 Abby is wrong.

00:10:12.840 But she's right.

00:10:14.820 She has a good point given her mistaken premise.

00:10:18.200 And did you figure out what the mistaken premise is here?

00:10:20.280 She is not wrong in the way that the people on the left are wrong.

00:10:23.840 The people on the left are wrong because they hate innocent life.

00:10:26.460 And they want to, they're wishing death upon an innocent baby who survived in this beautiful way

00:10:31.460 because it contradicts their abortion ideology, which is false and hideous.

00:10:36.260 That's not what's going on with Abby Johnson.

00:10:38.260 The reason Abby Johnson has gone wrong here is because of the mistaken premise of brain death. 1.00

00:10:44.300 Because obviously the woman isn't dead.

00:10:50.040 If the woman were dead, the baby wouldn't have been growing. 0.92

00:10:54.220 If the woman were really dead, the baby would be dead now too. 0.69

00:10:59.480 But the baby is alive, which should cause not only the left to re-examine their abortion priors,

00:11:05.160 but it should cause the right, some people on the right, to re-examine their priors specifically on brain death.

00:11:11.680 Because brain death is fake.

00:11:14.600 It's, it's, it's fake news.

00:11:17.340 The clinical category of brain death dates back to, I think, 1968 and a study out of Harvard.

00:11:24.740 But it's, it's not real.

00:11:26.040 I'll give you a good example.

00:11:27.160 2006, there was a little boy, very sad story.

00:11:28.980 Little boy, four and a half years old, contracts bacterial meningitis and is brain dead.

00:11:35.960 And when I say brain dead, I mean brain dead.

00:11:38.560 I mean, like, doesn't have a brain anymore.

00:11:40.720 By the time they performed the autopsy, his brain did not exist.

00:11:44.960 There was some calcified material.

00:11:46.700 There was nothing that was recognizably brain tissue.

00:11:50.800 And yet, that kid lived for 20 years.

00:11:55.540 And not only did he live, meaning his lungs were on life support, but not only was, were his lungs bringing oxygen into his blood and all that, he grew.

00:12:06.720 He went through puberty.

00:12:10.400 He was alive.

00:12:11.460 He didn't have a brain, but he was alive.

00:12:12.840 And what's very scary, I mean, there's story after story about this with brain death, where a guy will go in, you know, he'll be declared brain dead.

00:12:21.680 And then the organ harvesters get ready to chop him up and take out the organs.

00:12:25.940 And he'll, he'll start twitching, you know, or, you know, a relative will touch him and he'll kind of flinch.

00:12:30.880 This happened in one case, I think it was a cousin, I forget the guy's name, but, but was touching his fingernail, you know, kind of, and, and finally, there was some doubt that he was actually brain dead.

00:12:40.040 And then he woke up and he, he survived and he was perfectly fine.

00:12:43.220 But he would have died from the organ harvesting because the, the actual immediate cause of death for people who donate their organs generally is the organ harvesting, which is why that's what's so ethically suspect.

00:12:54.520 But you, you, you should not look at this case, this amazing case of, wow, at least the baby survived.

00:13:01.240 Don't forget, the original purpose of a cesarean section was to save the baby.

00:13:04.620 It was a death sentence for the mother. 1.00

00:13:06.080 Now, happily, we live in a medical age where, where you can almost always save the mother and the baby with a C-section.

00:13:13.640 But initially, it was just a way to save the baby.

00:13:15.340 It was pretty much just this.

00:13:16.780 It was a rudimentary ancient form of this.

00:13:19.880 Now, instead of looking at this and saying, oh, good, out of this tragedy, at least we were able to save the baby.

00:13:25.340 People are looking at it and saying, oh, this is really unethical.

00:13:29.420 No, no.

00:13:30.860 If you think that saving this baby is unethical, you need to reexamine your ethics, not just on the left, but on the right as well.

00:13:37.980 Okay.

00:13:38.440 Now, one more abortion story that's really crazy out of, out of the Daily Caller.

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00:15:00.400 Daily Caller has an exclusive.

00:15:04.620 You're going to hear that the abortion pill, which now accounts for over 60% of abortions officially.

00:15:10.200 I have heard from pro-life people in the know that it's actually closer to three-quarters of abortions.

00:15:14.960 You'll hear that this is just a medicine that is prescribed by doctors, and it's very serious and clinical, and it's all sorts of—there's no downsides to women, even though something like 11% of women who contract these abortions have serious complications afterward.

00:15:30.540 But there are no downsides for women, and it's all very medical and clinical and serious.

00:15:35.220 Well, the Daily Caller just found that in about five minutes, pretty much anyone can get a prescription for an abortion pill.

00:15:46.440 So Daily Caller finds five minutes they were able to get them.

00:15:53.860 They're obviously approved by the FDA.

00:15:56.340 In 2021, the FDA removed a requirement that providers distribute this poison pill in person.

00:16:03.460 So you can do it now directly through the mail.

00:16:08.400 And the Daily Caller News Foundation got five sets of this poison for $660.

00:16:15.100 Sets ranged from $90 to $150 each just by filling out online medical forms.

00:16:20.060 And that was it.

00:16:21.860 Three of the five organizations that sent the pills to the Daily Caller use GenBioPro.

00:16:27.660 That's one form of this poison pill.

00:16:30.000 The fourth used a different one.

00:16:31.480 The final one sent pills in a plain manila envelope that did not indicate the drug's provider.

00:16:38.360 And the return address was listed as Supplement City.

00:16:41.000 This is dodgy stuff, man.

00:16:42.480 You can order vitamin supplements from AM talk radio that are taken more seriously than a pill that will kill a baby and will quite likely harm the mother, too.

00:16:57.580 This is crazy stuff.

00:16:58.620 So, look, I think abortion is horrifically evil and is always wrong.

00:17:02.880 And we need to protect the most vulnerable among us.

00:17:05.840 And I'm as pro-life as it comes.

00:17:08.860 Even if you're not, though.

00:17:10.480 Even if you're one of these people in the middle who incoherently says, well, abortion is bad at eight months but not at four months or something.

00:17:19.660 You know, somehow a human being becomes a human being at five and a half months or something.

00:17:23.660 Whatever your view, even if you have that incoherent view, or even if you are super pro-abortion, how can you possibly justify this?

00:17:33.540 Just, look, let's say we're sitting here, me and you, super pro-abortion person.

00:17:38.540 We're sitting in a coffee shop, no cameras anywhere.

00:17:40.620 You're going to tell me that's acceptable, a very powerful drug that ends a life that could have serious harmful side effects on women, almost certainly will have harmful psychological side effects, but could have harmful physical side effects, too.

00:17:52.760 You're telling me you should be able to just fill out an online form in five minutes, pay 90 bucks, and get it in a manila envelope from Supplement City?

00:18:00.360 Siri, are you kidding me?

00:18:04.340 I can't get Tylenol with codeine here.

00:18:06.680 I got to go, if I want Tylenol with codeine, I got to cross the border into America's evil top hat, because that's too dangerous to get.

00:18:13.320 But I can order an abortion pill online in five minutes? 0.99

00:18:17.240 No way, no way.

00:18:18.580 So this ties into what we're talking about at the top of the show.

00:18:22.000 The conservative legal movement has so much ground to make up.

00:18:25.980 We've lost so much ground in our culture.

00:18:27.960 It's almost sad when we rack up our wins, because it shows you how far we've fallen.

00:18:31.380 Oh, hey, men, we're not going to castrate the littlest kids anymore.

00:18:36.680 Or, well, we will, but states can sometimes not castrate the littlest kids, maybe, if they want, maybe.

00:18:44.220 Woo! 0.99

00:18:45.420 Yeah!

00:18:47.020 Hey, maybe all of your tax dollars don't need to go to infanticide.

00:18:52.000 In some states.

00:18:53.400 Hey! 0.99

00:18:54.040 You know, so it's very, it's kind of sad.

00:18:57.500 But we are racking up wins right now.

00:18:59.440 And this is, this is one way to go after this.

00:19:02.240 You should say, you know, you wouldn't treat colloidal silver with this kind of lax attitude.

00:19:08.580 You wouldn't, you wouldn't treat like vitamin D supplements like this.

00:19:12.120 You're going to treat the, an abortion poison that kills a baby and might kill a mother. 1.00

00:19:16.200 Are you insane?

00:19:17.680 On what grounds could you do that?

00:19:19.340 One way to challenge it, because that, that is a scary report from the Daily Caller.

00:19:23.480 Okay.

00:19:24.460 Now, on the positive side of birth, the good news coming out of South Korea. 0.99

00:19:28.340 The birth rate in South Korea is up.

00:19:30.560 That's the good news.

00:19:31.440 Bad news is, it was basically at zero.

00:19:34.140 So, it shows you how, I guess that's the theme of today's show, just how far we've fallen.

00:19:38.280 So, the overall birth rate, do you know what it was in South Korea?

00:19:40.860 The birth rate in South Korea was 0.06.

00:19:47.420 What is replacement?

00:19:48.700 Like 2.1.

00:19:49.740 It was 0.06 in April of last year.

00:19:53.460 Now, it's 0.79.

00:19:57.300 So, okay.

00:19:59.060 That's up.

00:20:00.520 Still, obviously, well below what you need for replacement.

00:20:03.600 Natural deaths also rose by 0.8.

00:20:07.240 What, what caused this?

00:20:08.500 The rise in births, according to Statistics Korea, was influenced by increased marriages

00:20:14.460 since last year, growth in the population of women in their 30s, in their early 30s,

00:20:19.700 and various birth promotion policies by the central and local governments.

00:20:24.140 So, there was a pretty conservative leader in South Korea, and this was Yoon Suk-yeol,

00:20:31.660 and he acknowledged that the birth rate problem was a national emergency, which it obviously is.

00:20:36.580 He got booted out of office because he declared martial law, and there were some issues in South

00:20:40.760 Korea.

00:20:41.220 But before he was booted out of office, the Yoon administration had a bunch of measures

00:20:45.600 to reverse the demographic collapse, including more parental leave allowances, flexible working

00:20:51.540 hours, support for childcare, after-school programs, subsidies for employers who need to

00:20:57.240 hire temporary workers when the pregnant workers go on leave.

00:21:00.140 Okay, however it works, this is the existential issue in our countries.

00:21:09.220 The birth collapse, not just in South Korea, not just in America, not even just in Europe.

00:21:14.020 There is a global population collapse, and it's going to crater, and it's going to wreak havoc

00:21:20.040 in our societies.

00:21:20.880 And it's going to cause our entitlement programs to collapse, and it's going to cause social

00:21:26.100 solidarity to collapse.

00:21:27.660 And it is as dangerous an issue.

00:21:29.920 It's more dangerous than Iranian nuclear weapons. 0.79

00:21:32.760 It's more dangerous.

00:21:33.960 It's related to the open border because the only reason that politicians have been able to justify

00:21:38.840 the open border is because we don't have babies ourselves, and so we import the third world, 1.00

00:21:42.660 and we try to use that as a Ponzi scheme to keep our economy afloat.

00:21:47.420 This is the issue, and we need to throw spaghetti at the wall to fix it.

00:21:54.240 And there are going to be some conservatives who say, well, I don't want the government

00:21:56.600 getting involved.

00:21:57.460 Get the government involved.

00:21:58.440 Get the government involved.

00:21:59.520 Get the police department involved.

00:22:01.500 Get the PTA involved.

00:22:03.360 Get Joe Blow down the street involved.

00:22:05.360 Everybody needs to get involved.

00:22:07.180 You need to get involved.

00:22:08.180 You need, look at me, look at me, look right at me right now.

00:22:10.800 You need to get married and have a lot of kids.

00:22:13.080 Right now.

00:22:14.180 You need to stop.

00:22:15.800 Stop using contraception.

00:22:17.760 Well, first, get married.

00:22:20.260 Then, don't use contraception.

00:22:23.660 Then, have a billion children.

00:22:25.740 You have to do that.

00:22:27.340 In that order, ideally, you have to do that.

00:22:30.980 It's more important than you getting out and marching in the street.

00:22:34.540 It's more important than almost anything you're doing.

00:22:40.300 Have you gotten the message?

00:22:41.980 It's very important.

00:22:42.460 And it can be done.

00:22:43.760 Because you see, these government programs do appear to have helped a little bit in South

00:22:47.120 Korea.

00:22:48.180 In Hungary, Hungary is the only Western nation that has instituted a family policy that has

00:22:54.120 been at all effective.

00:22:54.980 And it happens to be the only Western nation that is turning the demographic problem around,

00:23:01.020 albeit still well below replacement levels.

00:23:03.060 I talked to Prime Minister Orban when I was over in Budapest just a few weeks ago.

00:23:06.740 We asked him about the family policy, if it was working.

00:23:10.420 How do you turn it?

00:23:10.920 How do you turn the demographic problem around?

00:23:12.780 And he said, look, I don't know.

00:23:14.160 That's the million dollar question.

00:23:15.380 But what I'll tell you is, we're trying.

00:23:17.900 And we're the only people that are trying in the West.

00:23:20.940 Got to do it.

00:23:21.820 Okay.

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00:24:53.260 J.D. Vance was recently speaking at an Ohio Republican Party dinner, and he told this

00:25:00.660 little anecdote about sitting with President Trump in the Oval Office.

00:25:03.420 And the president looks over at me, puts the foreign leader on mute, and says, this is

00:25:09.320 not going very well.

00:25:10.440 And he presses the red button.

00:25:11.860 And my eyes get really big, and I'm like, Mr. President, you know, what just happened?

00:25:21.760 And he looks at me, and he goes, nuclear.

00:25:25.740 Nuclear.

00:25:26.140 And two minutes later, a guy walks in with a Diet Coke, and he looks back at me, and

00:25:32.200 he says, it wasn't nuclear, it's just the Diet Coke button.

00:25:35.520 And that's...

00:25:36.040 So that's the kind of guy, my fellow Republicans, that we have as the president of the United

00:25:44.800 States.

00:25:45.600 Love it, love it.

00:25:46.440 I had heard elsewhere about the Diet Coke button.

00:25:49.720 I couldn't tell if it was merely legendary, but no, it's real.

00:25:53.600 There is a Diet Coke button.

00:25:54.460 And that's a funny thing.

00:25:55.300 So, sitting on the phone in the Oval Office, you're sitting there with the President of

00:25:58.460 the United States, it's not going well.

00:26:03.380 Nuclear.

00:26:05.420 What does this mean?

00:26:09.080 What is the political import of this?

00:26:11.140 Because there is political import.

00:26:12.320 It's not just a funny little joke between two friends.

00:26:15.500 The political import is, we're having fun.

00:26:19.660 The political import is, we're cool.

00:26:22.500 The political import is, we're the ones laughing.

00:26:25.300 And fun and laughter and levity are of immense value in politics.

00:26:35.280 In fact, I'm thinking back, in every presidential election in my lifetime, I guess, with the

00:26:46.200 exception of 2020 where they changed all the rules.

00:26:48.280 But every other presidential election in my lifetime, the lighter, more fun, cooler presidential candidate has won.

00:26:56.540 Bill Clinton over George Washington.

00:26:57.540 Bill Clinton over George H.W. Bush.

00:27:01.140 Bill Clinton over Bob Dole.

00:27:04.020 George Bush over self-serious St. Al Gore.

00:27:07.920 George Bush over Gilligan's Island, John Kerry.

00:27:14.580 Thurston Howell III, lovey, monkey, where's my yard?

00:27:18.620 George Bush, George Bush, cool, fun, light guy.

00:27:22.020 Barack Obama over John McCain.

00:27:24.360 Barack Obama over Mitt Romney.

00:27:27.080 Trump over Hillary. 1.00

00:27:29.220 Something happened in 2020.

00:27:30.520 Biden's a little light too, but something happened in 2020.

00:27:33.600 And then, of course, Trump over Kamala. 0.68

00:27:37.520 Lightness, coolness, fun is very, very politically effective.

00:27:42.800 And what's great about that story with J.D. is that's just an apparently private moment.

00:27:48.340 It becomes a public thing because these stories get out.

00:27:50.460 But it's just an apparently private moment.

00:27:55.500 Because you got to be that guy all the time.

00:27:57.840 You can't really fake it.

00:27:58.900 Kamala Harris tried to fake it. 0.99

00:28:00.340 She tried to just completely contrive personas in politics. 0.99

00:28:03.380 It doesn't work.

00:28:05.080 Joe Biden is somewhat contrived.

00:28:06.860 It worked a little better.

00:28:08.120 But Kamala doesn't work. 1.00

00:28:09.560 Hillary tried to crack jokes and be cool. 1.00

00:28:12.800 How about your Pokemon go to the polls?

00:28:15.620 Didn't work.

00:28:16.640 None of that stuff works.

00:28:18.840 Trump just has it.

00:28:19.860 He just is that guy.

00:28:21.020 He's that guy from the moment he wakes up to the moment he goes to sleep.

00:28:24.660 I am positive he is certain.

00:28:27.600 He is that guy with one person and he's that guy with 10 million people.

00:28:31.340 And so it makes perfect sense that the White House official account posted this yesterday.

00:28:39.180 I just want to get your attention.

00:28:42.800 I really want to be all up in your head.

00:28:47.800 Yeah.

00:28:49.040 If you're just listening, it's Trump.

00:29:16.260 You know, he walks up there, of course, one.

00:29:18.060 All the guys are going around to talk.

00:29:19.980 Daddy's back at NATO, baby.

00:29:22.540 It's not just him, though.

00:29:23.580 It also shows Pete Hegsatz.

00:29:25.080 It also shows Marco Rubio are also there.

00:29:27.040 Sharing the spotlight a little bit.

00:29:28.280 Oh, Zelensky's coming up.

00:29:29.180 Hi, Dad.

00:29:30.160 Hey, Dad.

00:29:30.800 How was work today?

00:29:31.520 Do you have any more missiles for me?

00:29:35.800 I gave you a missile last week, Vladimir.

00:29:38.500 But it's not just Trump.

00:29:41.240 Notice they're sharing the limelight a little bit.

00:29:44.280 Because they'll even give solo shots to Pete and Marco Rubio.

00:29:48.220 Daddy's home is referring to Trump and it's referring to this comment that the chief of NATO made,

00:29:53.440 that Trump is dealing with Iran and Israel like daddy.

00:29:56.920 He's dealing with all these nations that were like daddy.

00:29:58.640 But it's really America's daddy.

00:30:01.840 America is daddy.

00:30:03.920 Okay, we're not micromanaging everything.

00:30:06.560 We're not.

00:30:07.020 But we're daddy.

00:30:08.020 We kind of call the shots.

00:30:09.420 We ultimately, we have the authority.

00:30:12.400 And Pete Hegsatz is a representative of that at the Pentagon.

00:30:15.640 Marco Rubio is a representative of that at the State Department.

00:30:18.340 Daddy's home.

00:30:19.880 Okay, it's fun, man.

00:30:21.120 It's fun.

00:30:22.160 It's really fun that the official White House account is posting Usher songs about how daddy's home.

00:30:28.680 And it's Trump looking like the Riz King, just full of swag, walking down Air Force One.

00:30:33.640 It's fun.

00:30:34.140 You could not imagine a Republican doing that over 10 years ago.

00:30:39.460 Now you can't imagine a Democrat doing that.

00:30:41.920 Isn't that crazy?

00:30:42.520 What a shift.

00:30:44.500 You know who the Riz King used to be before that word was even in use?

00:30:48.040 It was Obama.

00:30:49.440 Oh, he was no drama Obama, man.

00:30:51.520 He was cool from the Chum Gang, you know? 1.00

00:30:54.600 Mr. Obama, he's slick and cool.

00:30:56.780 Not like those stodgy Republican, Mitt Romney and George Bush.

00:31:00.360 Yeah, and then it totally flipped.

00:31:03.620 And that's fun, and that's effective, and it has real political import.

00:31:07.960 And what can they say about it?

00:31:09.660 It's daddy's home.

00:31:11.260 Okay, speaking of daddy and all sorts of scintillating kinds of language,

00:31:17.020 Sabrina Carpenter has a new album out.

00:31:19.540 Do you know Sabrina Carpenter?

00:31:20.920 I've been introduced to Sabrina Carpenter by my producers.

00:31:25.620 They've had me review two of her songs, Man Child and Please, Please, Please.

00:31:30.560 And I watched them, and I was prepared to not like them and think they were trash.

00:31:35.380 And yet, I found them quite whimsical.

00:31:37.960 I found them quite charming.

00:31:39.100 And she's in big trouble now because Sabrina Carpenter has a new album cover where it's a guy 1.00

00:31:44.280 grabbing her by the hair, and she's in a kind of slinky little dress and stilettos. 0.99

00:31:50.460 And he's dragging her along.

00:31:53.080 She's looking subservient.

00:31:54.880 And the album is called Man's Best Friend.

00:31:57.220 Like, she's a dog.

00:31:58.520 And then she posted a dog collar.

00:32:00.760 It says, Man's Best Friend.

00:32:02.000 So this is real saucy stuff.

00:32:04.460 Apparently, it's coming out at the end of August.

00:32:05.820 Can't wait for it to be yours, ex.

00:32:10.560 And people are going after her.

00:32:12.180 Feminists are going after her. 1.00

00:32:13.340 Even some feminists who are kind of on the side of the religious conservatives when it 1.00

00:32:16.340 comes to things like obscenity and transgenderism. 0.98

00:32:19.180 And they're all going after her.

00:32:20.100 This is setting women back 100 years. 0.99

00:32:22.080 This is tawdry.

00:32:22.860 It's terrible.

00:32:23.380 Yeah, it's a bit tawdry.

00:32:25.100 But it's charming.

00:32:28.820 It's charming.

00:32:29.580 And do you know why?

00:32:30.520 It's charming because this woman is self-conscious. 0.98

00:32:35.820 Her lyrics, I should say, are self-conscious.

00:32:38.640 I've only listened to two Sabrina Carpenter songs when my producers made me.

00:32:42.540 Man, Child, and Please, Please, Please.

00:32:43.980 And what is notable about the Sabrina Carpenter songs is she's not saying,

00:32:49.040 I'm doing all the right things.

00:32:50.460 Everyone's treating me bad.

00:32:51.720 And I'm totally right.

00:32:53.160 And I can do whatever I want.

00:32:56.080 And no one can ever judge me.

00:32:57.540 Her songs are saying, yeah, I'm making some mistakes, aren't I?

00:33:01.800 Ooh, I'm bad.

00:33:03.100 Ooh.

00:33:03.540 Ooh, that's the thesis.

00:33:06.420 Mm.

00:33:07.500 Oh, you men.

00:33:08.380 You men are like man children, but I keep falling for you, don't I? 1.00

00:33:11.740 Maybe I'm a girl child.

00:33:14.640 You know, maybe everything I'm accusing you of, I'm guilty of, too.

00:33:18.840 Ooh, I'm bad.

00:33:20.200 Which is why I find the album cover charming.

00:33:23.040 Because it's bad within normal bounds.

00:33:29.580 It's bad.

00:33:30.540 It's just, oh, I'm doing something naughty.

00:33:32.140 And I'm admitting it's naughty.

00:33:33.960 And what our modern culture does is they do things that are naughty.

00:33:37.600 And they say they're really good.

00:33:40.600 Our modern culture, a non-charming version of this album cover would be some like old gross guy in her position. 1.00

00:33:50.960 You know, and I don't know, it'd be totally perverse.

00:33:55.260 It would be totally out of the normal bounds.

00:33:59.000 It would be calling good, evil, and evil good.

00:34:01.160 But here she's saying, no, I'm being kind of bad, aren't it?

00:34:03.800 That's what pop music has done for a long time.

00:34:06.300 Even her whole aesthetic is late 70s, early 80s, which is nostalgic.

00:34:13.480 And by the way, it shows you how far we've fallen as that culture.

00:34:16.060 I didn't consciously line the stories up this way.

00:34:20.100 It's just, that's kind of how they fell.

00:34:21.680 But it shows you how far we've fallen, that we long for the good old days of virtue, the 1980s.

00:34:27.300 Oh, yes, that virtuous age, the late 70s through early 90s.

00:34:32.620 Ah, yes, a quasi-Victorian era that was.

00:34:36.840 No, not really.

00:34:38.400 But relative to today, it is.

00:34:41.660 At least when Sabrina Carpenter is going to be tawdry, it's going to be like, hey, I'm a hot young girl dressing in a kind of promiscuous way.

00:34:52.420 And I'm lusting, which is bad.

00:34:55.200 It's bad to lust, but I'm lusting after a man, which is bad in a normal way.

00:35:00.080 It is, in its transgression, it is upholding good, normal values and behaviors and nature.

00:35:06.180 Which is why it's kind of charming.

00:35:09.260 It's why I'm a little bit, at least, of a Sabrina Carpenter Stan.

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00:36:15.380 My favorite comment yesterday is from Jack Lyles, 3187.

00:36:21.280 Says, Michael, undoubtedly the best Tucker Carlson impression there at the end with the intonation, quick speech, and especially the laugh.

00:36:27.080 Ha ha.

00:36:27.400 Thank you.

00:36:28.760 Thank you so much.

00:36:29.620 I've worked on my Tucker impression for a while, because it was very nice when I would get to go on Tucker's show.

00:36:34.700 And sometimes he would, I would say something, and he'd look, and I couldn't tell if he was going to destroy me.

00:36:40.820 Kind of look at, but then I'd make a little joke, and he would open his eyes, and he'd do that.

00:36:45.960 Ha ha ha.

00:36:48.360 Is that, is that okay?

00:36:49.700 Is that all right if I do that?

00:36:50.620 It's not, someone accused me yesterday in the creme de la creme comment section of, said my Tucker and my Jordan were the same impression.

00:37:00.240 That's not true.

00:37:01.600 Tucker, last I checked, doesn't, he doesn't really have a kind of a Canadian accent.

00:37:05.760 It's more of like a high-pitched kind of, ha ha ha.

00:37:07.380 Whereas with Jordan Peterson, you know, it's a little more like I'm ordering a coffee and a donut at Tim Hortons, bucko, but I'm doing it in the most serious way possible.

00:37:16.180 You think a donut is some joke?

00:37:17.960 You think it's a trivial matter?

00:37:19.860 I don't think so, bucko.

00:37:21.740 Okay, so, anyway, that's enough.

00:37:24.140 Can you tell that I'm about to go on vacation?

00:37:26.860 I am about to go on.

00:37:27.720 I'm very excited.

00:37:28.700 I'm going to Il Belpaese.

00:37:29.980 But before we get there, we get to my favorite time of the week, the mailbag.

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00:37:40.560 Take it away.

00:37:41.900 Hi, Nicole.

00:37:42.560 My name's Asher.

00:37:43.340 I'm an Orthodox Jew from Switzerland.

00:37:45.160 Love the show.

00:37:46.300 Thank you for your hard work.

00:37:47.420 I had a question regarding your views on Zionism.

00:37:49.940 I recall you saying several times that you were not convinced by the historical nor the theological claims of Zionism.

00:37:56.520 I understand you don't agree with the religious claims since you're a Christian.

00:38:00.000 However, I'm confused as to why you disagree with, you seem to disagree with the historical and national claims of Zionism.

00:38:07.740 So, setting religion and theology aside, I'm sure you know it has been proven historically, culturally, linguistically, and even now genetically,

00:38:15.920 that modern-day Jews originate from the Holy Land and that we Jews are direct descendants of the Hebrews and Israelites

00:38:24.440 and that we have kept a distinctive ethnic and genetic background as well as a strong cultural, national, and historical tie to our native homeland,

00:38:34.540 the land of Israel, from which we were expelled several times.

00:38:37.980 So, my question is, why do you seem to disagree with the national and historical claims of Zionism,

00:38:44.220 despite ample proof that we, the Jews, are the native people of the land of Israel

00:38:50.760 and that we, as a people, have a right to national sovereignty in our homeland,

00:38:56.340 a sovereignty that we have fought for and are still fighting for tooth and nails for?

00:39:02.280 Just curious.

00:39:03.240 Thank you.

00:39:03.620 All the best.

00:39:04.240 Love the show.

00:39:04.780 May God bless you and all your loved ones.

00:39:07.920 All the best.

00:39:08.840 Thank you.

00:39:09.380 Very, very good question.

00:39:10.760 The reason I don't buy the historical argument of Zionism is that I don't buy that principle for any people.

00:39:18.520 So, you rightly say, you say, look, you're a Christian.

00:39:20.600 I get why you don't believe in the religious arguments for Zionism, but why not the historical ones?

00:39:25.540 We're the native people.

00:39:26.860 What do you mean you're the native people?

00:39:28.240 Did you spring out of the ground like a root vegetable?

00:39:31.020 No.

00:39:31.280 Was there a time before the Jews or the Israelites were in the Holy Land?

00:39:39.660 There was.

00:39:41.380 So, I'm not persuaded that because you were in a place 2,000 years ago, as you point out,

00:39:48.880 the Jews have been expelled from the Holy Land a handful of times, that therefore you're entitled to it today. 1.00

00:39:56.180 Because I wouldn't apply that same principle to any other people.

00:39:58.520 I wouldn't say just because the Comanche used to occupy a certain area of the United States that they have a right to that land.

00:40:05.660 I mean, you will recall that before the Israelites got to the Holy Land, there were some other people there.

00:40:12.520 And the Israelites routed those other people happily. 0.98

00:40:16.680 But what was it?

00:40:17.180 The Canaanites, the Jebusites, the Hittites, the Amorites.

00:40:21.940 There were a lot of ites that got ousted from the land. 1.00

00:40:26.140 So, I think that's just how it works.

00:40:28.400 I occupy, I guess, I have the least popular view on Israel-Palestine of any group that I have yet seen.

00:40:37.100 Which is, I don't believe in the religious arguments of Zionism.

00:40:42.020 I don't believe in the historical arguments of Zionism or any such historical arguments.

00:40:46.480 But I am broadly supportive of Israel, and I'm completely dismissive of the Palestine Liberation Movement, the river-to-the-sea people, on grounds of prudence and practice, the shared historical experience of Christians and Jews, the development of Zionism as an essentially Western imperial project. 0.85

00:41:07.860 Which is what the anti-Zionists argue.

00:41:10.560 They say, it's a Western imperial project.

00:41:12.040 I say, listen, you're trying to sell it to me.

00:41:14.360 All right, I'm convinced.

00:41:15.820 And because the West has been in a hostile relationship with Islam for roughly 1,400 years.

00:41:24.460 So, you know, the fact that Islam has been trying to expand into the West from the very beginning and by the year 732 made it to 150 miles outside of Paris.

00:41:33.860 So, these are all really practical reasons why I'm generally favorable toward Israel over, say, these kind of radical Islamist liberation movements.

00:41:44.100 But it has nothing to do with the religious or historical claims of Zionism, which I wouldn't accept for really any group.

00:41:51.780 Though I suppose I would accept religious claims made by Christianity, obviously, because that's my religion.

00:41:56.580 And I think it's the true one.

00:41:57.620 Okay.

00:41:58.080 So, anyway, now that I've alienated every single person on all sides of that question who can listen to the show, next question.

00:42:06.080 Hey, Michael.

00:42:06.880 Fellow Tennessean here.

00:42:08.300 Appreciate all your work.

00:42:09.500 First of all, the Mayflower Dawns are great.

00:42:11.760 I had some for Father's Day yesterday with my dad and my brother and also with my groomsmen at my wedding.

00:42:17.320 So, thanks for being a part of those occasions.

00:42:19.400 My question today is about Protestants, especially Baptists.

00:42:22.860 So, I'm more of a Reformed Baptist.

00:42:25.060 And I know that you're connected with Reformed figures like Allie Stuckey.

00:42:28.680 So, I'm just curious, what are your overall thoughts on Protestants?

00:42:32.120 Obviously, we're not a part of the Roman Catholic Church.

00:42:35.680 But many would say that we're a part of the small C, the little C Catholic Church or the Kingdom of God.

00:42:41.760 So, do you believe that Protestants are Christians?

00:42:43.860 In my view, anyone with genuine faith is a part of the church, and this transcends denominations.

00:42:50.240 And I believe that those who have faith in Christ will worship the Lord in heaven one day.

00:42:53.840 So, in your opinion, what happens to me when I die?

00:42:56.940 You know, do I go to purgatory?

00:42:59.300 Do I go to hell?

00:43:01.000 Can a Baptist achieve sainthood? 1.00

00:43:03.020 We'd love to hear your thoughts.

00:43:04.020 Thanks, Michael.

00:43:04.580 Okay.

00:43:04.920 Really good question.

00:43:05.660 And so, I want to address, it's really two parts of this.

00:43:08.980 We think, you know, the lower C Catholic Church and then also our Protestants Christian.

00:43:13.320 So, for the lower C Catholic Church, I think that's a little bit Cope. 1.00

00:43:17.580 I think that's capital C Cope.

00:43:19.920 Because it comes from the creed.

00:43:21.660 You know, we believe in one holy Catholic and apostolic church.

00:43:24.060 And so, if you, in practice, don't really believe in the four marks of the church, then you have to try to figure out a way to back yourself into it.

00:43:33.600 So, you say, okay, well, no, I believe that anyone who's a professing Christian is part of the lower C Catholic Church. 0.96

00:43:39.700 Now, first of all, our Lord gives us a visible church.

00:43:41.860 He picks actual men, gives us visible signs of a church.

00:43:45.320 So, the notion that the church is somehow invisible or something, I think, is contrary to the Christian tradition.

00:43:51.480 But furthermore, I don't even know that you believe that.

00:43:54.140 You believe that anyone who says he's Christian is really Christian?

00:43:56.900 What about a Mormon? 0.74

00:43:58.620 Do you think a Mormon is Christian?

00:44:00.580 I actually have sort of complex thoughts on LDS, and I like actually a lot of aspects of LDS, but that's a question for another time.

00:44:07.340 Do you think a Mormon is Christian?

00:44:08.980 Most Baptists would say no.

00:44:10.580 Do you think a Jehovah's Witness is Christian?

00:44:12.600 Most Baptists, I think, would say no.

00:44:14.080 So, do you think an Albigensian is Christian?

00:44:17.120 But do you think a Pelagian is Christian?

00:44:19.120 Do you think an Arian with an I, not a Y, is Christian? 0.98

00:44:22.380 Probably most people would say no.

00:44:23.940 If someone denies the divinity of Christ but says he believes in Jesus, would you say he's Christian?

00:44:27.780 Probably not.

00:44:28.300 So, there obviously have to be some guardrails here.

00:44:31.980 There has to be some limits.

00:44:34.120 And so, your question then is, well, am I a Christian?

00:44:36.240 I don't know exactly what you believe.

00:44:37.640 I don't know exactly, you know, your kind of version of, I have a great love and respect for my Baptist friends.

00:44:42.320 In fact, I had a Baptist grandpa who went to Mass for 70 years, but a Baptist grandpa.

00:44:46.120 On my Mayflower line, it's Puritans and Protestants and Separatists all the way back. 1.00

00:44:53.000 A lot of the way back.

00:44:54.080 I guess not all the way back.

00:44:55.680 But are you Christian?

00:44:56.580 I guess I would say, if you're validly baptized, you're Christian.

00:45:00.760 But, you know, 1 Peter 3 says, baptism now saves you.

00:45:07.240 So, yeah, if you are a validly baptized Christian, baptized with water, the Trinitarian formula, you are Christian.

00:45:15.200 But I guess my concern for our brethren of various shades of Christianity and for lapsed Catholics and for all these people is our Lord gives us baptism, which is a sacrament.

00:45:33.020 He gives us other sacraments too.

00:45:34.840 You know, he gives the apostles, who are the visible signs of the church, the power to forgive and retain sins.

00:45:40.780 He does this for a reason.

00:45:41.800 You know, our Lord says in John chapter 6, he says, you know, you have to eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood or you have no life in you.

00:45:50.060 And he repeats this.

00:45:51.120 And it's a hard saying and a lot of people go away.

00:45:52.880 And so, I guess just my point is, I don't say who's going to heaven.

00:45:57.720 I don't say who's going to hell.

00:45:58.460 That's above my pay grade.

00:45:59.880 But it would seem to me if our Lord gives us a great sacrament like baptism, which now saves us.

00:46:06.020 And if he gives us a church and everything, if he gives us these sacraments, which are the meeting of the material and the immaterial, you know, of time and eternity, just as our Lord is incarnate on earth.

00:46:19.960 If we don't avail ourselves of all of the resources that our Lord gives us, especially the sacraments, we're putting ourselves in a kind of spiritual peril.

00:46:27.960 And that would be my concern about it.

00:46:31.820 But if you're baptized, you're a Christian.

00:46:33.780 But then what do we do as Christians?

00:46:35.040 What are we supposed to do?

00:46:35.840 What does our Lord want us to do as Christians?

00:46:37.220 Okay, next question.

00:46:38.080 Hey, Mike, you talk a lot about the true roots of conservatism and Christianity being at the heart of what conservatives are talking about, if they're really honest about what conservatism means.

00:46:53.980 But what would you say to someone that would point out to you that if we really want to conserve America's founding ideals, we would be conserving Anglo-Protestant ideals and not vaguely European ones and not vaguely Christian ones, including Roman Catholicism, but Anglo-Protestant ones?

00:47:21.500 What would you respond?

00:47:22.620 Thanks.

00:47:23.980 Well, how conservative do you want to get?

00:47:26.860 There are some people who call themselves conservatives who want to conserve the late 2000s or the 90s or something.

00:47:32.840 The 90s or the new 50s.

00:47:34.320 But I don't even just want to conserve the 50s.

00:47:36.760 I don't want to go back in time.

00:47:38.420 It's not possible to go back in time.

00:47:39.980 I want to conserve the eternal things and the practices and the traditions and the culture that they have produced.

00:47:48.440 So I don't know why I would stop at 1776.

00:47:52.740 America is older than 1776.

00:47:56.560 America goes back at least to 1620.

00:47:58.880 But doesn't it go further back than that?

00:48:01.660 You know how much I love the Mayflower.

00:48:03.340 It's a great cigar brand.

00:48:04.140 But if we're really going to conserve, don't we want to go further back than that?

00:48:10.100 And our roots do not lie in the Anglo-American experience of some deistic Freemasons in the 18th century.

00:48:21.740 We wouldn't arbitrarily draw the line there.

00:48:24.200 Where does it really come from?

00:48:26.460 It goes back further.

00:48:27.220 Our form of government really, as far as I'm concerned, goes back to Thomas Aquinas, you know, directly or indirectly.

00:48:34.100 And our founding fathers were conscious of modeling the government off of the political philosophy, not only of the Enlightenment, which the liberals want to point out too.

00:48:43.200 But men like Cicero, you know, ancient political philosophers, the Roman Republic, and all manner of antiquity up through the scholastic tradition.

00:48:54.520 So, no, we got to go back deeper.

00:48:56.800 Don't just draw an arbitrary line.

00:48:58.180 Go all the way back.

00:48:59.200 Go all the way to the roots.

00:49:01.620 They think I'm not going to get to the fourth mailbag question, but I will.

00:49:04.360 Take it away.

00:49:04.800 Hi, Michael.

00:49:06.500 I love your show.

00:49:07.620 I've been watching for a long time.

00:49:10.080 I used to watch Matt Walsh.

00:49:11.820 I still do.

00:49:12.620 But he's, like, a little cynical for me at times, and I very much appreciate your catholicism.

00:49:18.300 No, I'm really good.

00:49:18.860 I got to this one.

00:49:19.640 That's good.

00:49:20.260 You know, more positive, hopeful, virtuous, hopeful, upbeat, you know, take on things.

00:49:26.640 My question is, how do I sell the stay-at-home mom life to other moms without sounding judgy? 0.99

00:49:35.600 Thank you so much.

00:49:37.820 Great question.

00:49:38.660 I want all questions to be like that.

00:49:40.560 Michael, Michael, you are so handsome, and I like all that.

00:49:46.460 That's great.

00:49:47.540 Well, you don't need to sell it to him.

00:49:49.880 It sells itself, first of all, and you don't need to sell it to him.

00:49:52.340 You got this great thing, and you want to share it with your friends who you think are unhappy, and you're probably right.

00:50:00.500 So what I would do, actually, to the preface of your question, which is, Michael, you're generally upbeat, you know, and you don't let bad things get you down.

00:50:08.960 I would just kind of show that to them and say, hey, you know, life's good, isn't it?

00:50:15.120 And, okay, maybe we don't have two incomes, so maybe you don't get to go on vacation to Tahiti every six months.

00:50:21.660 Yeah, maybe we don't get the newest car every two years.

00:50:25.180 Maybe we don't.

00:50:25.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but look how great our life is.

00:50:29.160 You don't even need to say it.

00:50:30.600 You just can show it to them.

00:50:32.640 And then when people ask questions, then you can give them answers.

00:50:35.340 All right.

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The Michael Knowles Show - June 27, 2025

Ep. 1764 - “Brain-Dead” Woman Gives Birth To A Baby

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