The Michael Knowles Show - July 16, 2025


Ep. 1772 - The Missing 3 Minutes: New Analysis Of The Epstein Cell Footage


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On the heels of the Democratic decision to release the Epstein files, a new report reveals that a minute of footage from inside Epstein's jail cell may have been missing. Why the flip? What is going on in politics?

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00:00:00.000 Ten years ago, the granola hippies were on the left and the corporate GMO Monsanto defenders
00:00:05.620 were on the right. Today, that has flipped. Ten years ago, the anti-vaxxers were on the left
00:00:10.920 and the jab-happy expert trusters were on the right. Today, that has flipped.
00:00:16.560 The flip has happened on so many other issues. Workers' rights, used to be Dems were the party
00:00:23.080 of workers, and that's flipped. Family policy, war and peace, it's all flipped.
00:00:27.520 And yesterday, it happened with yet another issue. Ten years ago, and still ten months ago even,
00:00:34.980 Republicans were the party sounding the alarm on Jeffrey Epstein, and Democrats were covering it
00:00:41.300 up. Yesterday, Democrats voted to release the Epstein files, and Republicans broadly voted
00:00:47.800 against it. Why the flip? We'll get into it. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.
00:00:57.520 Welcome back to the show. You remember when we were told that the Epstein jail cell didn't have
00:01:18.160 any cameras outside? Or it did have cameras, but the cameras went out, so we didn't have any video
00:01:21.480 footage. And then we were told we did have video footage, and they released the video footage.
00:01:24.520 But then we found out there was a minute missing there. Well, now, there's a new report out of
00:01:28.380 Wired. Looks like there's more than a minute missing of that footage. What happened in that
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00:02:39.020 to 989898 today. There are a lot of flips.
00:02:43.980 There are a lot of flips that happen in politics. This is not actually all that unusual.
00:02:48.040 Do you remember, you probably won't remember, in the early days of COVID,
00:02:51.740 how the Democrats and Republicans were talking about it? Because it came to be that Republicans
00:02:56.320 didn't really believe in COVID at all, or at least any of the dumb mandates that came out of COVID.
00:03:02.560 And the Dems just had 17 face masks on inside a space suit while they were three miles away from
00:03:10.000 anybody. You remember that? Well, in the early days of COVID, it was the opposite.
00:03:14.520 It was the conservatives who were sounding the alarm. And it was the Democrats who were saying,
00:03:18.720 don't worry. Actually, if you are worried about COVID, you're xenophobic. You might be racist.
00:03:23.820 Nancy Pelosi was saying, come on down to Chinatown. Come on down to Chinatown. 0.77
00:03:27.920 And then it flipped. I think it was internationally, you could see this in different
00:03:33.440 countries. I remember Israel in particular, it was the right-wing party that was very cautious
00:03:38.160 about COVID. It was the more liberal groups that were loose about COVID. These things flipped.
00:03:46.500 Okay. So what's going on here? What's going on here is, in politics, we take cues from our enemies.
00:03:56.560 So when our opponents are doing something, just as a rule of thumb, because it's usually reliable,
00:04:02.640 we do the opposite. So for most of the Epstein saga, it has been the Democrats who are trying to
00:04:07.860 play it down, cover it up, get people to move along. It's been Republicans sounding the alarm,
00:04:13.180 because Epstein was, he was connected to everybody, but he seemed to be more connected
00:04:18.080 to prominent liberal figures than he was to conservative figures. Yes, Epstein was a member
00:04:22.940 of the Mar-a-Lago club before Donald Trump kicked him out. But he was also buddies with
00:04:29.220 Bill Clinton and Bill Gates and the liberal prime minister of Israel, not even the conservative
00:04:36.320 prime minister, the liberal prime minister of Israel. And he was friends with liberal lawyers and
00:04:41.800 some conservative lawyers, but he was friends with Stephen Hawking. And he was friends with
00:04:47.340 liberal universities and Harvard and MIT. And he was more a kind of a lib guy, it seemed like.
00:04:54.520 Hollywood celebrities. And so it was the conservatives who were saying, this is a cover up. This is the
00:04:59.540 Clintons are trying to cover this up. In the early days, the joke was that Hillary Clinton was the 1.00
00:05:04.120 one who went in there into the jail cell. And then something flipped. The moment that the Trump
00:05:09.020 administration said, hey, we're not going to release everything or we're going to release a lot of
00:05:12.740 stuff, but there's really not a list and we're not going to follow this. And we've come to the
00:05:16.120 conclusion that this wasn't backed by any state actors or whatever. The minute that the administration
00:05:20.260 signaled that, the Democrats took that as a signal to say, okay, well, now we're going to be the
00:05:24.900 pro-Epstein disclosure people. And that's what happened.
00:05:28.620 So there was a vote on the House Rules Committee over whether or not to release all the Epstein files.
00:05:35.080 And it was the Democrats who voted for it. It was the Democrats with, I think, what,
00:05:40.720 one Republican or something that voted for it. Now that that failed, you've got Ro Khanna,
00:05:47.180 huge lib dem in the Congress, and Thomas Massey, the libertarian in the Congress,
00:05:53.040 who's made an enemy of Donald Trump. So now he's, Trump is threatening to primary him and Massey is
00:05:58.680 saying, no, I'm standing firm on libertarian principle. It's Massey teaming up with the Democrats,
00:06:03.360 proposing a bill to fully release the Epstein files, a plan that is supported by a lot of the
00:06:08.980 MAGA base, all very, very confusing. What does Massey say? He says, we all deserve to know what's
00:06:14.520 in the Epstein files, who's implicated, and how deep this corruption goes. Now I want to correct
00:06:19.680 something here. As I've said from the beginning, there's obviously much, much more to the Epstein
00:06:24.980 story. It's not, it's not simply the case that this man was a rich pervert and he was friends with
00:06:30.740 the most powerful people in the world. And those two facts have nothing to do with each other.
00:06:33.720 I don't buy that for one second. There's obviously much more to the story and the government for
00:06:37.960 whatever reason is not releasing it. However, I guess I differ from everyone in that I, I believe
00:06:43.980 that the government can, in principle, have many good reasons not to disclose everything.
00:06:49.460 I don't believe in radical transparency. I, I do think that the government has to exercise judgment
00:06:55.480 and for all sorts of reasons, for reasons of avoiding defamation, for reasons of justice,
00:07:01.200 for reasons of maintaining the global order. Sometimes the government needs to conceal certain
00:07:05.120 things. That's why we have classified designations. That's why we have top secret designations.
00:07:10.340 That's why we elect representatives, not just to do exactly what we say and to tell us everything,
00:07:14.660 but to exercise their judgment. So I actually disagree with Tommy, Thomas Massey in principle here,
00:07:18.940 when he says, we all deserve to know what's in the Epstein files.
00:07:24.120 We don't deserve to know what's in the Epstein files. You, you don't, you don't deserve to know
00:07:28.760 all manner of classified and otherwise clandestine information. What we deserve from our civil authority
00:07:36.300 is justice. That's what I want from the Epstein situation. I don't, I don't need you to release
00:07:42.440 every hidden document. I don't need you to tell me everything about JFK or everything about any other
00:07:46.780 government operation. That's, that's not my role as a, as a private citizen. I want justice. And I
00:07:53.520 think that's what most people want here. Okay. I'm, I'm, I'm a plan truster. All right. Donald
00:07:59.580 Trump's the best president of my lifetime. I, I think I, I broadly trust him to carry out the functions
00:08:06.460 of the executive branch. And so if there is some reason I've said from the beginning, I strongly
00:08:11.020 suspect Trump is more frustrated than anyone that, that this issue keeps coming up and that he can't
00:08:16.200 release all the files or whatever it is. But we need to believe that justice is being done.
00:08:25.120 There can be perfectly good reasons not to be fully transparent. There frequently are,
00:08:29.220 but we need to believe that justice is being done. And so I, I do trust Trump and the Trump
00:08:34.800 administration to, to make the right decision here, but the white house needs to get that message,
00:08:41.240 right. That's I am not the whole chorus of people who are, you'll notice, including a lot of Trump's
00:08:48.940 enemies, a ton of Democrats and members of the Republican party who hate Trump for personal
00:08:54.600 reasons, maybe ideological reasons who face political threats from Trump. They're all unifying
00:08:59.040 right now to attack Trump over this. And my, my view is really quite different from their view.
00:09:06.180 My view is the white house needs to get the message right to assure us that justice is being done
00:09:13.160 justice, which is the only thing that the government really owes us. If we were going to have radical
00:09:18.680 transparency, if we were going to see every single thing that goes on in government, we wouldn't really
00:09:22.960 need a government. We would just have a kind of direct, direct democracy or I don't know,
00:09:27.500 quasi anarchy or something. Now, president Trump, as I alluded to earlier, is bemoaning the continued
00:09:33.860 interest in the Epstein files. He was asked about this right in front of Marine One.
00:09:38.160 I know you urge people to move on, but I'm curious, why do you think your supporters in particular
00:09:43.060 have been so interested in the Epstein story? I don't understand. I don't understand why they
00:09:49.820 would be so interested. He's dead for a long time. He was never a big factor in terms of life.
00:09:57.080 I don't understand what the interest or what the fascination is. I really don't. And the credible
00:10:04.620 information has been given. Don't forget, we went through years of the Mueller witch hunt and all
00:10:09.620 of the different things, the Steele dossier, which was all fake. All that information was fake. But I
00:10:16.440 don't understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody. It's pretty boring stuff.
00:10:22.600 It's sorted, but it's boring. And I don't understand why it keeps going. I think really only
00:10:29.900 pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep something like that going.
00:10:35.120 But credible information, let them give it. Anything that's credible, I would say, let them have it.
00:10:42.660 Everyone who's playing this clip today, everyone who's talking about this clip is only focusing on
00:10:46.800 the first part. Trump wants to move on from Epstein. Trump is trying to get people to stop talking
00:10:51.700 about Epstein. Trump is attacking people for talking about Epstein. You're missing the key
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00:11:56.700 You catch that bit at the end there? He says, but look, anything that's credible, I want that to be
00:12:04.320 released. So there you have it. This is an amazing message pivot. Once again, Trump kind of leading on
00:12:12.340 it, I think doing a better job than some of the other government departments. He's looking out,
00:12:19.020 he's saying, okay, hold on. Flips happen. Flips on COVID, flips on vaccines, flips on the food supply,
00:12:26.980 flips on war and peace. We're seeing a flip happen right now where the Democrats are starting to own
00:12:31.880 the Epstein disclosure issue. And Republicans don't want to totally disclose that. So I'm going to
00:12:38.480 push that further and say, oh, it's really, it's fake news that's so focused on Epstein.
00:12:42.860 It's boring. I know about the Epstein stuff. It's boring. This is another hoax, like the Russia hoax.
00:12:48.420 So you're seeing that messaging start to flip that may or may not persuade you. But then you saw there
00:12:53.200 right at the end, there's a little pivot to a pivot from, we're going to release all the files,
00:13:00.120 Pam Bondi, I've got the list up, the client list on my desk. Then there was a flip to, actually,
00:13:04.380 there is no client list and we've released everything we're going to release. Now there's
00:13:08.640 a pivot to, yeah, yeah, anything that's credible, anything that's credible. I certainly think that
00:13:14.080 should be released. What are you talking about? That's the, that's the middle ground. That's the
00:13:18.880 thesis, antithesis, synthesis. There is that, there's where Trump is saying, look,
00:13:23.940 there is a legitimate issue at stake here in the Epstein files, which is a lot of the allegations
00:13:29.820 are unsubstantiated and unprosecuted, and you could be defaming innocent people.
00:13:36.060 Even, even if, if Jeffrey Epstein is exactly what you think he is, he's an intelligence asset designed
00:13:42.200 to get compromise on people and blackmail them and make them look bad. Innocent people are going to
00:13:46.760 be caught up in this. Alan, Alan Dershowitz, I don't care why, I like Alan Dershowitz a lot.
00:13:51.200 Whatever you think about Alan Dershowitz, he's got plenty of enemies. That man was accused of sex
00:13:56.400 crimes on Epstein Island and he took it all the way. He, he took it to court. He pursued this for years
00:14:02.700 and his accuser dropped the accusation. So he followed, he said, I am wrongly accused. I think
00:14:09.860 I was, it was either my show or maybe I was guest hosting Ben's show years ago. Alan was on the show.
00:14:15.660 We were talking about the impeachment of Trump and he said, well, look, Trump's facing a false
00:14:20.760 accusation. And a lot of people have, I've, I have faced a false accusation and he doggedly pursued
00:14:25.800 that. And that could be the case for, for a number of people. So what Trump is saying is whatever is
00:14:30.560 credible, release that. Whatever is credible, that's fine. So you're saying, no, no, no. Okay.
00:14:36.640 What's credible here? And then maybe, maybe there will be more disclosures. That's how I read that.
00:14:41.660 He's giving it. Trump is very good at giving himself opportunities, exit ramps, ways to make
00:14:47.100 a deal. I see a lot of deal making there. Okay. Last point on, on Epstein.
00:14:52.520 We were told there's no jail video. Oh yeah. The, the camera's all cut out. Oopsie daisy. And the
00:14:57.560 guards weren't there and whoops, you know, crazy, but he killed himself. And we know you just have to
00:15:02.760 take our word for it, but there's no, no cell footage to another pivot, which is actually there
00:15:07.240 is cell footage and we're going to release all 10 hours of it. But then if you watch the 10 hours,
00:15:10.940 you notice at one moment, the, the camera cuts out a minute is jumped in the tape and the frame
00:15:19.500 changes. We actually have it. So you see 58, 11, 11, 58 and 54 seconds, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59. Okay.
00:15:30.000 Hold on. And then it jumps a minute to 12 AM. And what's weird is the camera frame changes. So it's
00:15:36.920 not even just that the numbers change at the bottom. It's that the whole frame of the camera changes.
00:15:40.680 So there's one minute, it looks like one minute and one second missing. Well, Wired now has an
00:15:47.300 analysis of the metadata from, from the footage. And it shows that actually about three minutes
00:15:53.400 are missing. So metadata, according to, just according to Wired, metadata from the raw Epstein
00:15:59.340 prison video shows approximately two minutes and 53 seconds were removed from one of two stitched
00:16:04.920 together clips. The cut starts right at the missing minute. Yeah, of course. I mean, it doesn't,
00:16:10.200 you don't need to be some tech genius to realize, uh, someone edited the video.
00:16:16.620 And so it just, it raises all of these issues. It would, it would be easier to say, move along,
00:16:22.300 move along. If you only had one or two weird things with the Epstein story, but you have, okay,
00:16:28.660 a guy who doesn't graduate college, who's a teacher at a prep school goes on to be a zillionaire.
00:16:36.840 How, how do you get his money? He's then friends with all the richest, most famous people in the
00:16:41.960 world. Now rich people are friends with other rich people and powerful people, but this guy seemed to
00:16:48.040 be friends with like all of them. This, this was a little more concert. I know plenty of rich people
00:16:53.580 and I know plenty of people in high political office and this guy Epstein was on another level.
00:16:58.100 How did he make all of those friends? And what did he do on that Island? Why did he have all the
00:17:03.860 cameras in all of the rooms of his, of his townhouse and his Island and his other properties when he
00:17:09.600 was prosecuted? How do you get that sweetheart deal where he basically got to treat the Palm Beach
00:17:15.040 jail as though it were a hotel come and go as he pleased. How did he get that deal? Why did Alex Acosta
00:17:21.000 when he was up for labor secretary say that he was told as U S attorney in the Epstein case that
00:17:25.480 Epstein was above his pay grade and, uh, to that he belonged to intelligence? That's according to
00:17:29.880 reporting from the daily beast. It hasn't really been properly disputed. Uh, how did, how did Epstein
00:17:37.500 then die? Had it, did he kill himself? Why did the cameras go out? Why were the guards not there?
00:17:44.620 How did, come on, we're up to almost a dozen strange things here. Why was he spending so much
00:17:51.740 time with heads of government, foreign heads of government? Why was he, come on, you got it. You
00:17:57.360 got to give me some answers to that. So again, I don't, there are two sides here, which is move
00:18:04.180 along, move along. Everything is concluded. There's nothing to see here. Nothing strange. Stop asking
00:18:09.040 questions. And there is the, you need to release all of the files and we need full transparency.
00:18:14.400 And I need to know every, I need to see every document that's ever passed the government's desk
00:18:19.360 regarding Jeffrey Epstein. Neither of those views is correct. The government can keep some info to
00:18:25.860 itself. The government can pursue justice. Doesn't always have to broadcast everything. Like it's a
00:18:29.960 social media influencer. Okay. The government is not TikTok, but we need an explanation as to
00:18:40.260 why the government is not going to release everything. And, and the reason we need that
00:18:45.160 explanation is just to have confidence as I do actually, because I am a plan truster, but the,
00:18:53.100 the MAGA people who are making a big deal about this need to have confidence that, that the government
00:18:59.140 is doing the right thing and the justice is being, being done. That's it. We're, we're inclined. I'm
00:19:04.020 inclined to believe that, but that's the question that remains. You don't, Trump does not need to
00:19:09.420 give his enemies everything that they're demanding. But if the, the administration can just tip a hand
00:19:16.180 a little bit to the supporters to say, Hey, just don't justice is being done. We're still the guys you
00:19:20.780 voted for. We're still, we're the people you think we are. That, that I think is what's really called
00:19:24.700 for here. Okay. Now, speaking of not being the guys you think someone is, or maybe that you do
00:19:31.000 think that, that they are a Conor McGregor, you know, Conor McGregor at the boxer. He is in a
00:19:36.680 little bit of hot water, not revealing any private sins here because the story is being widely reported
00:19:41.840 in the press. I actually ran into Conor McGregor. I didn't, I saw a conversation with Conor McGregor
00:19:46.260 about cigars at the impeachment. Conor McGregor is, I shouldn't laugh. It's not nice. He's in a little
00:19:54.080 bit of trouble because he, he sent some naughty pictures to another celebrity lady named Azealia
00:20:00.680 Banks. I've heard of her. I couldn't pick her out of a lineup, but there she is. There's a picture
00:20:05.100 of her. There's Azealia Banks. So he sent some naughty pictures of her. And you know, I mentioned
00:20:08.460 Conor McGregor is a weightlifter. He's, this is a family show, so I'll try to describe this in
00:20:13.540 wholesome terms. He, can we get the image off please? Do I have to look? I don't want to look at
00:20:18.340 that image. Can you, can you go back to Azealia Banks? Yeah. Okay. I, he, he was working out and
00:20:24.940 he tied a, like a dumbbell not to an appendage and was apparently lifting the dumbbell
00:20:33.140 with an appendage. So let's just leave it at that. And so anyway, he, he not only does that,
00:20:41.540 that's a bit odd. Then he takes a picture of that and then he sends it to some random woman
00:20:46.620 named Azealia Banks. And he, I guess he threatens her in the text, says, you better not show this
00:20:56.320 to anyone or whatever. And then Azealia Banks immediately posts it to social media. Says,
00:21:01.520 who do you think I am? You don't threaten me.
00:21:03.180 And I don't think Conor McGregor is married. I think he's engaged to be married, but he's,
00:21:11.580 I won't get too much into his personal life, but this is not, probably not a wise decision.
00:21:17.340 And I think he, he would probably acknowledge that. My interest in the whole story is just what,
00:21:25.000 what would get a man to do this? Plenty of guys do it. It's not just him. I'm not just singling him
00:21:32.500 up. Plenty of guys do stupid. We all do stupid things like this when it comes, maybe not like
00:21:37.300 that, but we all do stupid things when it comes to girls. And when it comes to sex at some point 1.00
00:21:41.800 in our lives, for most people, it's more, you're a teenager in your twenties, but, but sometimes later
00:21:46.960 on that happens. But what, what would get you to do that? That is very irrational behavior.
00:21:52.120 I noticed one thing too, with a, with a lot of guys who cheat on their wives or their fiancees,
00:21:57.600 or often the mistress is not as beautiful as the fiance or the wife. It just doesn't. And the
00:22:06.180 behavior is so bizarre and degrading and humiliating. Why, why do you do it? And it reminds me of
00:22:14.780 the joke that Drew Clavin loves to tell. It's a great joke that the guy, I'll do a truncated version
00:22:20.740 of it. Guy walks into a bar. He's got an orange for a head. The bartender says, all right, you got
00:22:26.900 to, you got to tell me what happened. And, and the guy says, okay, yeah, sure. Well, I was walking
00:22:32.200 on the beach. I ran, I found a genie lamp. I rubbed the genie lamp. You know, a genie pops
00:22:36.380 that says you get three wishes. I said, I don't believe this. I said, okay, my first wish, I want
00:22:40.220 to, I want to win. Oh, I want a million dollars. Goes home. Knock, knock, knock on the door. It's
00:22:46.920 Ed McMahon with Publishers Clearinghouse. It's a check for a million dollars. He says, by
00:22:51.060 golly, that's crazy. Then he goes back to the genie lamp. He says, all right, it's wish
00:22:54.960 number two. I want, I want to sleep with every penthouse playmate. Is that Playboy? Every,
00:23:01.600 whatever. I want to sleep with a lot of hot chicks. And he goes back home, whatever.
00:23:05.400 Knock, knock, knock on the door. Twelve girls from Playboy. Why? They just walk right up to 1.00
00:23:11.120 the boudoir. Okay. So, so the, the bartender says, okay, I understand. I get it. So,
00:23:16.920 so then what happened? And the, the, the guy with the orange for a head, he says, you
00:23:20.480 know, this, I think this is where I screwed up a little bit. I, uh, then I, I went back
00:23:25.140 and I asked to have an orange for a head. And, uh, some people hate that joke. I don't
00:23:31.160 know. At least it doesn't like that joke, but, but the joke is about, they always say
00:23:34.380 it's, it's really funny when you explain jokes. Uh, the joke is about the perversity of
00:23:40.420 the human heart. The, the joke is about how, how, uh, the, the thoughts, uh, of, of
00:23:46.020 man's heart, the desires of man's heart are wicked from the beginning. And so we
00:23:49.200 do things that are just bad for us. We sabotage ourselves. We humiliate, we
00:23:53.660 degrade ourselves. We, we, uh, allow our, our concupiscence and our desires to just
00:23:59.400 fly away from our reason. And this is very sad. And then we're humiliated and we
00:24:03.860 have really only ourselves to blame. All of that to say, Conor McGregor, you know, he,
00:24:08.920 he can, he can be forgiven. He can, he can receive absolution. He can confess his sins
00:24:13.440 and, you know, seek, seek his redeemer and all that. Um, don't, don't do this. Don't,
00:24:18.940 don't ever send this, especially to the younger people who watch the show, the teenagers in
00:24:24.820 the 20 some weeks, don't ever send a nude photo of yourself to anyone ever under any
00:24:29.320 circumstances. Can you do that? Can you promise me that? Are you listening right now? And I'm
00:24:35.160 talking even to the 50 year olds because apparently people do that. Don't ever under any circumstances
00:24:41.620 send a nude photo of yourself in part or in whole ever to anyone. Can you do that? Can
00:24:47.700 you make me that promise? If you just follow that advice, you will avoid a lot of the pitfalls
00:24:54.080 of, of modern erotic life, but just don't come on guys. This is, this should be common sense,
00:25:00.620 but people want an orange for a head. Okay. Uh, now speaking of, well, we got really actually
00:25:06.500 really interesting political news. Really good. That, that I think is very good news for Trump
00:25:11.120 after a week of, of being harassed on the Epstein thing. Very, very good news for Trump. I have quite
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00:26:30.040 for Americans. There's a race for governor of Florida. We only focus on national politics.
00:26:35.760 We're all, we're so obsessed with that. People used to focus on local politics. Now we're more
00:26:39.140 obsessed with national politics. But there's a race for governor of Florida open. Byron Donalds
00:26:43.400 is running. Very prominent congressman. Very MAGA. Very pro-Trump. He's running. He has Trump's
00:26:51.780 endorsement. There's some rumors that Governor DeSantis' wife Casey might run for that seat. There's
00:26:57.600 some other people who want to run too. What's the polling look like right now? There's a poll out of
00:27:02.420 St. Pete Polls for Florida Politics, which shows that if the field for governor were to include
00:27:09.120 Byron Donalds, Casey DeSantis, Agriculture Commissioner Wilton Simpson, and former House
00:27:14.900 Speaker Paul Renner, right now Byron Donalds is leading the pack not even close. Byron Donalds
00:27:21.480 gets 35% of the vote. He's running a full eight points ahead of Casey DeSantis, the first lady
00:27:28.640 of the very popular, very successful governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis.
00:27:34.880 And those two are way ahead of Simpson got 3%. Renner has 2%.
00:27:39.100 But look, could Casey DeSantis close the gap if she runs? Sure. I guess in principle she could,
00:27:47.820 but that's a big gap really early on. There's no concern that Casey DeSantis doesn't have name ID.
00:27:53.440 She's got plenty of name ID. There's no concern that she's got to introduce her family to politics. 0.79
00:27:58.600 Everyone knows her family and everyone likes her family. And DeSantis is a really successful,
00:28:02.620 good governor. There's really not much bad you can say about him other than he may have
00:28:06.400 miscalculated running for president. But otherwise, he's very good. He's very popular.
00:28:11.380 And the Trump-endorsed congressman is running away with the nomination,
00:28:16.080 running away with the election. The conclusion here is Trump runs the GOP, period. Period.
00:28:25.680 Even today, everyone predicts Trump's demise. I think the reports of Trump's political death
00:28:31.260 are exaggerated and have been for a long time. The only rival that Trump had in the 2024 presidential
00:28:40.040 primary, the only rival who really didn't put up much of a threat was Ron DeSantis in Florida,
00:28:46.800 who did every freaking thing right other than challenge Trump. And Trump can endorse a member
00:28:55.080 of Congress from Florida, and that guy will be leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else. Trump runs the GOP.
00:29:01.840 Today, period. No one else does. It's not Governor DeSantis. It's not Congressman Massey.
00:29:09.900 It's not some member of the Trump administration. It's not some operative. It's not some talking head.
00:29:14.520 It's Donald John Trump for now. This creates a little bit of a problem down the road because it
00:29:23.360 is this guy. You know, they say, well, it's not really about Trump. It's about the ideas. It's about
00:29:27.620 this. It's about, no, it's about Trump, actually. It turns out it's about Trump. So then the question
00:29:32.260 is, who runs the GOP when Trump is gone? Is it the vice president? Vance? Could be. He's probably
00:29:42.440 the leading contender. He's doing a great job. It could be him. Could it be? Rubio clearly wants
00:29:47.060 to run for president. Is it Rubio? Is it a governor like DeSantis? Probably not, but I get maybe. But
00:29:53.980 who is it? Is it a talking head? You know, those of us in conservative media, on the right,
00:30:01.440 the media have more of an outsized role in the party itself than in the Democrats. And Democrats
00:30:08.400 are a little more orderly. They have their media over here. They have their operatives over here.
00:30:11.240 They have their politicians over here. They have their activists over here. Where it's a little bit,
00:30:14.340 a little more blurry. Who runs the GOP after Trump is gone, after he's done with the second term?
00:30:20.080 And I think the real answer is going to be Trump. As long as he's involved, he's going to run the
00:30:26.060 GOP. It's going to be a little bit like Reagan. You know, Reagan, unfortunately, Reagan didn't get
00:30:31.680 to extend his influence much after he left office because he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease.
00:30:37.300 Had he not been, he would have been running the GOP through the 1990s, for sure.
00:30:42.720 Because Reagan was transformative in the GOP, just as Trump is transformative.
00:30:47.500 Who runs it now? Trump. Who's going to run it later?
00:30:50.080 Probably still Trump. Now, speaking of the future of the MAGA movement and the man who at this moment
00:30:56.720 looks like the heir apparent, Vice President Vance, J.D. had the funniest reply the other day. It was
00:31:03.200 like a few days ago to Gavin Newsom. I have to get to it because this now tells you something about
00:31:08.260 the 2028 Democrat primary. J.D. goes to Disneyland in California, takes his family. That's nice.
00:31:15.200 There's some clips of it. It looks fine. And Newsom responds. He goes, hope you enjoy your family time,
00:31:21.780 J.D. Vance. The families you're tearing apart certainly won't.
00:31:27.420 J.D. Vance. And Vance responds. And he goes, had a great time. Thanks.
00:31:36.420 The perfect, the perfect response. Evidence that the Vice President is a man who is adept
00:31:48.200 in real life. You know, he can talk to donors. He can talk to older people, the cable news audience.
00:31:54.280 He can talk. But he's pretty online too. You know, he knows, yeah, had a great time. This is how you
00:31:59.280 answer that. You're so bad. I hope you had a good time. Yeah, I had a great time. Thanks, buddy.
00:32:09.100 Anyway, moving on. This is what we do. This is what we do now. This is not what we did 10 years ago.
00:32:14.440 This is what we do now. You're a racist. Okay. You're a sexist and a phobe and a, oh.
00:32:29.280 Got it. Okay. I'll make a note of that. I'm, I'm, I'm those things, I guess. Okay. Cool.
00:32:38.480 Not, not even a, you know, Gavin Newsom is trying to launch his presidential campaign by being like
00:32:43.220 the American right 10 years ago. He's not, he's not like the American right today. He's a little 0.77
00:32:48.300 behind. Used to be, talk about a flip actually of the parties. Used to be the Republicans were always
00:32:53.420 just trying to do the Democrat tactics from 10 years ago. They were just playing catch up and now it's
00:32:58.100 the flip. Now it's the Democrats are doing the catch up tactics on the right. So Gavin Newsom,
00:33:01.920 he says, wow, the American right's been successful over the last 10 years. I'm going to do what they
00:33:05.240 did in 2015. I'm going to start a podcast. I'm going to become a debate me, bro. I'm going to demand
00:33:11.820 that ever, but I'll tell you what, in this little internet, I'm going to, I'm going to be catty online.
00:33:16.000 I'm going to call people cuck. His, his, his media outfit was calling Stephen Miller a cuck.
00:33:22.240 A cuck is a funny insult. You know, the Italians have been using it for centuries. 1.00
00:33:28.480 Cornuto, you know, cuckled, but the American right has adopted this in recent years. But,
00:33:33.200 but even that's like 10 years ago, bro, come on, not going to work. Vance just totally wrecked him
00:33:38.560 on this. And nevertheless, though, Newsom is signaling right now he's probably the head of
00:33:44.060 the pack for the Democrats. All right, everybody, real quick, we are celebrating a decade of the
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00:34:24.740 decade of the daily wire. Go to dailywireplus.com and join today. My favorite comment yesterday is
00:34:30.880 from Christina Ramirez, 7895, who says, Elmo is a perfect example of why three-year-olds should not
00:34:36.220 have social media. Great point. Wow, great point. Because some people say three-year-olds shouldn't have
00:34:40.860 social media because they're going to get addicted to the screens. Yeah, that's true.
00:34:46.180 Or kids shouldn't have social media because they might look at something naughty, really violent
00:34:50.320 or sexual porn or something. But the other reason, and Elmo shows this, is you don't want your three-year-old
00:34:57.140 to become a Nazi. That's a real threat. Hey, buddy, what do you want for dinner tonight? I want. 0.78
00:35:04.660 I want. I want the blood of my enemies is what I want. Okay. All right. Now, Newsom is the leading
00:35:13.620 candidate. I don't know if you know that. And he is running for president. This is not mere idle
00:35:17.300 speculation now because Newsom is swinging through South Carolina. You know, those early states that
00:35:23.560 really matter. Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada, some other states. But South Carolina is a
00:35:29.620 really big one. It's going to be really important for the Democrats in particular. Well, who went
00:35:34.800 through? Tim Walls went through? Remember him? Tim Walls, the Tim Kaine of three years ago.
00:35:43.160 No. Oh, man, he only ran a year ago. But he's so yesterday's news that we forget about that. Tim Walls,
00:35:50.440 I guess he wants to run for president. He ran through South Carolina. Wes Moore? Who's Wes Moore?
00:35:55.800 I guess he's the governor of Maryland. Do you even? It's my job to know about these people. I don't
00:36:01.860 know anything about him. So he's kind of a joker. And then you had Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom comes
00:36:11.460 through. And these are the first three candidates, I guess you'd say, in the race. Newsom is leading
00:36:15.700 the pack right now. I wonder, though, if Newsom has staying power. Because the problem for Newsom is the
00:36:23.140 problem for the Democrat Party. He doesn't know who he is. Is he the super progressive mayor of San
00:36:27.280 Francisco who's officiating gay weddings when it's illegal? Is that him? Is he the guy who's 0.81
00:36:32.540 participating in assisted suicide? He's so progressive. Is he that guy? Or is he just a
00:36:41.260 rich white guy who goes to the French Laundry and marries beautiful women? He's kind of Bill Clinton.
00:36:47.640 And he's, hey, honey, listen, I feel your pain. I'm going to be friends with Charlie Kirk and Steve
00:36:53.860 Bannon. I'm going to look at my hair. Which is he? Which is he? He's trying to be both right now,
00:37:01.760 and it's schizophrenic. And the reason he's trying to be both is a deeper problem, which is that the
00:37:05.920 Democrats don't know what they want to be. They want to be the party of normal. We're the normal
00:37:10.360 ones, not like this crazy Trump. Or do they want to be the globalize the intifada, trans to all the
00:37:15.880 kids, open up all the borders, that party? What do they want to be? They don't know. They have no
00:37:21.400 idea. With the parties flipping, the Democrats, it's like they got caught in the middle. So they
00:37:28.220 don't, are Democrats the party of blue-collar workers or are they the party of Wall Street?
00:37:32.680 Right now, they're kind of both and neither. Are they the party of bombing the Middle East or are
00:37:39.400 they the party of restraint and peace? They're kind of both and neither right now. They don't,
00:37:45.600 they have no idea. Are they the party of Israel or the party of Palestine? They don't,
00:37:49.160 they're kind of both and neither right now. They don't, they don't know what they are.
00:37:53.200 So it's so early. You could be in a situation, this happens a lot on the Republican side too,
00:37:58.860 where the candidate who's really leading in the beginning, he might be the very first one out of
00:38:03.780 the race. Newsom right now, he's got to figure something out. Now, what the New York Times wants the
00:38:11.480 Democrats to be? Because I think the New York Times recognizes the woke stuff is, has really turned a
00:38:17.540 lot of people off. The trans stuff turned a lot of people off. The nastiness, the vindictiveness 1.00
00:38:22.540 really turned a lot of people off. So I think they want the party to be more of the party of Bill
00:38:26.020 Clinton. I think that's where they see the future. And they have a really, really funny article.
00:38:31.900 Do we have it? Do I have my article? You didn't even give me my article. It's so outrageous.
00:38:35.340 New York Times has an opinion headline that it's time to stop snubbing your right-wing family
00:38:44.160 members. It is time to stop snubbing your right-wing. The New York Times, which called on its people
00:38:53.120 to either lecture and hector your conservative uncle at Thanksgiving or just to dissociate from
00:39:00.860 them all together. Now, maybe it's time we can deign to speak to those family members. Maybe.
00:39:08.660 Okay. I don't know if I've ever said this explicitly because I'm not the sort of breakup
00:39:15.340 families for politics guy. The right generally is not the breakup families for politics kind of party.
00:39:22.020 But let me just, if for any liberals, I know liberals listen to this show. For the liberals who are
00:39:27.420 listening, who are maybe, maybe I'll speak to my family again. I don't know. I mean, it's going to
00:39:31.800 take, I'm going to have to be a very big man to speak to my family again. I mean, he, my uncle,
00:39:36.800 my cousin voted for Trump. Can you imagine? And I maybe, because I'm so magnanimous, maybe I'll go
00:39:42.780 speak to him again. Let me just tell you from our perspective, you're a conservative. You look out at
00:39:49.240 your family, you love your family, and you realize some members of your family, the ones who voted for
00:39:54.380 Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. Those members of our family support the murder and dismemberment of
00:40:02.600 babies. That's the, if we really think about it, that's the fact that we have to understand about
00:40:09.500 you. You, our family members who are liberal, support the murder and dismemberment of innocent
00:40:19.660 little babies screaming out in pain while, while your, uh, representatives do that.
00:40:29.180 And we still love you. And we still come to Thanksgiving. And we recognize that you probably
00:40:36.280 don't even know what you're supporting. Or if you do know it, you try your best to deny it.
00:40:41.140 Forgive them, Lord, they know not what they do. That's what it takes for us to go to Thanksgiving.
00:40:48.820 Okay. And we do it. I don't even, I don't give it a second thought. Because I understand this is a
00:40:53.040 fallen world and people fall prey to all manner of ignorance and wickedness and vice and delusion.
00:40:58.200 And so we just, I don't, I really don't think about it. We don't actively judge our family members
00:41:03.320 for, we don't, we don't, we don't harbor any kind of hostility, but those are the facts.
00:41:07.280 And so it's kind of rich when our liberal family members led around by groups like the New York
00:41:14.400 Times come out and they say, well, you, you think we should deport MS-13 and I just don't know if I
00:41:21.180 can have a turkey leg with you. Really? Seriously? You're gonna, you want to play this game? You want
00:41:27.520 to play this game right now? And we don't even, we, we, because it's good to cultivate the habit of
00:41:33.560 patience. We don't even, but come on. Well, thank you, New York Times. Thank you for giving
00:41:41.980 permission to your liberal readers to show up to Christmas dinner. Thanks. Let's just move on.
00:41:52.960 How about that? How about that? Because by the way, the only reason the New York Times and the
00:41:57.760 Libs are doing it is because they realize that this strategy of ostracism and stigmatization
00:42:02.280 doesn't work. It's not working electorally. They got blown out of the water and they lost the
00:42:07.080 popular vote. So it's not even that they've had a real proper change of heart. They just realized
00:42:12.380 their strategy isn't working. Okay. I have a bit of a personal request before we get to the
00:42:15.720 member segmentum. This is, speaking of young people, actually, I know some people, you look
00:42:21.640 for good charitable causes and I do too. If you're like anything like me, you wait until the very end
00:42:26.480 of the year, it's 10 PM on New Year's Eve. And you say, I want to give some money to charity this
00:42:31.400 year, but I haven't. And sometimes you actually say, I don't even know what to give my money to.
00:42:35.340 I have a great thing to give your money to. There is a terrible disease that afflicts a lot of kids
00:42:39.560 and it's called, I don't even remember the name, it's Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease. It's this
00:42:44.240 degenerative disease that affects a lot of kids. It can put them into wheelchairs. It can cause all 0.71
00:42:49.460 sorts of problems down the line for them. And a scientist seems to think that he's come up with a
00:42:55.220 cure for this. And it's very, very promising, but it requires some money to get to clinical trials.
00:43:00.220 The only reason I really even recognized this issue, that it even came to my attention,
00:43:05.860 is very close friends of mine have a kid who was diagnosed with this rare condition,
00:43:09.220 but a condition that affects a lot of kids. And then I started looking into the issue more broadly.
00:43:13.460 There are a lot of diseases, not just this one, but a lot of diseases where scientists
00:43:18.020 seem like they've found a cure and the parents know about this. And, but the problem is it just
00:43:24.500 takes so much money to advance to a clinical trial and then go through all the processes
00:43:29.440 that sometimes you have, you have kids with the disease and you have a cure, but you can't get
00:43:33.680 the cure to the kids because, because you can't raise the money. So anyway, uh, my friends have
00:43:38.900 been raising money on behalf of this, this medical research organization, Charcot-Marie-Tooth
00:43:42.840 Association. And, um, they've raised a ton of money. They've raised almost all of it.
00:43:47.120 Uh, 1.7 million dollars, 1.8 million dollars, something like that. They just need a little bit
00:43:52.180 more to get over the hump. And so anyway, I looked at the numbers on this. I'm kind of irritated that
00:43:56.660 it's been so hard to raise the money for this because I realized even just for my show, if every
00:44:02.260 person who watches and listens to my show gave less than $1, gave less than $1, the money would
00:44:09.120 be raised. This would be off to the clinical trial. And a lot of kids potentially could, uh, could
00:44:13.220 avoid really crippling ailments into their teenagers. The cure could stop the disease
00:44:17.960 in its tracks. The faster they get it, the better it is. So anyway, if, if you're looking, I know
00:44:22.460 people are tight. It's a tough economy. People have other charitable commitments, but if you're
00:44:26.400 looking to give a little bit of money, I would say go to justgiving.com slash page slash cure for
00:44:33.660 George. That's justgiving.com slash page slash cure for George. Give less than $1. If all of you do it,
00:44:40.900 we're off to the races. And if you want to give more than a dollar, $10, a hundred dollars,
00:44:45.680 a thousand dollars, maybe $10,000. Some of you, some of you are pretty rich. That would be really
00:44:50.080 great and greatly appreciated. So there's so many good causes out there, but I, if you're like me,
00:44:54.740 you get to the end of the year, you say, I don't even know. I don't even know. So anyway, I'm pleased
00:44:59.180 to give you the opportunity to know about this great cause. And I appreciate your generosity in
00:45:03.300 that. Okay. Today is woke Wednesday. The rest of the show continues. Now you do not want to miss it.
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