The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1773 - Science Gone Too Far： Babies Born From THREE People's DNA

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00:00:06.140 Yesterday, doctors in the UK announced the birth of eight babies, each one made in a test tube

00:00:12.420 with DNA from not two, but three parents. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:02:16.600 Eight babies born in the UK after IVF using DNA from three people. That's the headline. And

00:02:29.480 before you recoil in horror that we've now made human persons with three parents, just listen

00:02:36.500 to the first paragraph. So genetic material from mother and father transferred to healthy

00:02:42.280 donor egg to reduce risk of life-threatening diseases. Okay, well, that makes it sound really

00:02:46.120 nice. First paragraph, doctors in the UK have announced the birth of eight healthy babies

00:02:50.020 after performing a groundbreaking procedure that creates IVF embryos with DNA from three

00:02:56.220 people to prevent the children from inheriting incurable genetic disorders. The mothers were 0.62

00:03:03.160 all high risk for passing on life-threatening diseases to their babies due to mutations in

00:03:07.960 their mitochondria, which are the tiny structures that sit inside cells and provide the power they

00:03:12.580 need to function. That's probably one thing. If you remember anything from eighth grade biology

00:03:18.000 class, it is that the mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cell. So anyway, this sounds

00:03:26.220 really nice on the surface. And yet we all recoil in horror when we read the headline. Why? Why is that?

00:03:32.600 Because that's how all temptation works. On the surface, it always sounds like a good thing.

00:03:41.600 That's why it's tempting. On the surface, the people who give no care to bioethics are going to say,

00:03:47.860 well, these moms were at risk of passing on a bad condition to their kids. So, you know, 0.99

00:03:53.800 we did this little procedure. We just did a little scientific advanced procedure. And now the kids aren't

00:03:59.360 going to have the genetic disorders. What could be wrong with that? And it only starts to look a

00:04:06.520 little dark when you peer below the surface. So for instance, you've now created human beings

00:04:14.440 with more than a mommy and a daddy. Now there's a mommy and a daddy and another mommy, I guess.

00:04:21.820 What does that do to a child's identity? You have now exerted a very serious degree of control over the

00:04:27.560 DNA, not only of that human person, but of every human being down the line. You've exerted a godlike

00:04:34.540 power over the genome, over the roadmap of the cell, over the blueprint of life for every child

00:04:44.700 down the line. Did the grandchild consent to that? Did the great grandchild consent to that? Is consent

00:04:49.100 even the chief moral criteria on here? How did you make the babies in the first place? Well, you used

00:04:54.760 IVF. So through IVF, that means that you got a guy to perform a disgusting and gravely disordered

00:05:02.500 and sinful action. Then you put a woman through a very painful and seriously invasive procedure,

00:05:09.540 and then you created a bunch of babies. And some of those babies you worked with here to inject new 0.53

00:05:17.680 DNA into them, or inject them into new DNA, or whatever the scientists do. And then the rest of

00:05:24.300 them you discarded, or you froze in a freezer forever, until you eventually, ultimately discard

00:05:29.820 them. How did you do that? Maybe you did it by selecting the sex. Maybe you said, okay, I only want 0.71

00:05:36.040 boys, I don't want girls, or I only want girls, I don't want boys. So because I don't like girls,

00:05:39.980 I'm going to kill them, or because I don't like boys, I'm going to kill them, or because I want some

00:05:43.740 perfect combination, the rest of them, I'm just going to kill. Now, because you're using the

00:05:50.060 process of IVF, you could very easily implant these babies into women that are not the mothers. 0.99

00:05:55.260 And so you could be robbing them of knowing their natural mother or father. You could then,

00:05:59.760 you could be using a surrogate and then robbing the kids of the only mother they've ever really known.

00:06:03.560 And all for what? So that you can reduce the risk of a child or a parent suffering. Far from a

00:06:13.900 guarantee, but just a risk, but also that you can play God. And so ultimately, when we get to these

00:06:20.500 issues, the question has to be, would you rather live in a world made by God and controlled by God,

00:06:26.540 or a world in where, in which you presume to create and control everything? Who do you think

00:06:34.820 is going to be a better, going to be better at playing God? God or you? God who is perfect and

00:06:40.220 all good. You who are not. God who knows everything. You who know basically nothing. I know the reaction

00:06:48.640 to this is going to be, Michael, you just sound like a Luddite. You sound like you're retrograde. You

00:06:51.680 sound like you just want to let children inherit genetic disorders. You sound like you just want

00:06:57.260 to allow people to suffer and not advance in science. No, no, no. I'm all for scientific

00:07:01.540 advancements. I frequently say, I don't want to go back to 2012 as many so-called conservatives do.

00:07:07.540 I don't want to go back to the politics of 13 years ago to 2012. I want to go back to the politics

00:07:12.140 of 1220, but I don't want to go back to the dentistry of 1220. I don't want to go back to everything

00:07:17.380 from 1220. I'm happy for certain scientific advancements, but they have to be ethical.

00:07:23.100 You do not have the right in the name of science or progress to violate the moral order. No end is

00:07:29.960 so good that it justifies immoral means. And the same kind of stupid moral reasoning you're going

00:07:35.340 to hear here. Well, healthier babies is always a good thing. It's the same argument you hear for

00:07:39.800 IVF in general, which is, well, more babies is always a good thing. I thought we were pro-life.

00:07:44.920 If any way you can make a baby, that's a good thing in my book. Well, is it? You can make a baby

00:07:51.560 through rape. Are you, you're okay with rape? No, no, of course no one's okay with. Okay. So then

00:07:57.200 you're, you're granting, there is at least one circumstance in which you can arrive at a good

00:08:02.980 end, the creation of life, the beginning of life, but, but through an immoral means that would be

00:08:08.480 unacceptable and that would not be justified. Well, how about the same here? It seems so good when

00:08:14.840 you're, well, what you're against curing embryos. You're against curing kids. You're against reducing

00:08:20.740 the likelihood that babies and parents suffer. No, no, no. I'm not, I'm not against that.

00:08:24.520 That all sounds really good, but at what cost? At the cost of doing something intrinsically evil

00:08:30.800 with all sorts of, of totally predictable consequences, just some of which I've laid out

00:08:36.740 here. No, this is the Faustian bargain. Hey, you can get the good thing, but you got to do an evil

00:08:43.000 thing and that it doesn't pay off. It never pays off, but it always sounds good. That's how it

00:08:49.280 entices people. Okay. Speaking of babies conceived in unusual ways, really beautiful clip from my friend

00:08:57.180 Charlie Kirk show yesterday. This was making the rounds a little bit because Charlie is quite Protestant.

00:09:03.380 He's, he's been a, he's a very prominent voice among Protestants. He's really prominent voice

00:09:09.360 among just political conservatives generally, but he's got a special interest in faith and

00:09:14.420 Christianity. He loves to explore matters of faith, talks to all sorts of people, talks to Catholics,

00:09:19.580 macro snappers like me, talks to atheists. He's, is a curious guy. And he had this to say about

00:09:27.220 Christianity. But let me first say, I think we as Protestant evangelicals under venerate Mary.

00:09:34.320 She was very important. She was a vessel for our Lord and savior. I think that we as evangelicals and

00:09:41.240 Protestants, we've over-corrected. We don't talk about Mary enough. We don't venerate her enough.

00:09:48.200 Mary was clearly important to early Christians. There's something there. In fact, I believe one of the

00:09:53.880 ways that we fix toxic feminism in America is Mary is the solution. 100%. Have more young ladies 1.00

00:10:01.280 be pious, be reverent, to be full of faith, slow to anger, slow to words at times. Mary is a phenomenal

00:10:12.940 example. And I think a counter to so much of the toxicity of feminism in the modern era. 1.00

00:10:18.740 Yeah. Preach! Pastor Charlie, preach! I love it. I love it. Charlie and I have talked about religion

00:10:26.700 for a long time. Now he's talking about religion with a lot of people for a long time. And I love

00:10:31.680 to hear him say this. And actually, about a year, two or three years ago now maybe, I was speaking to

00:10:37.660 a very, very prominent evangelical Christian Protestant pastor. And I won't say his name because

00:10:44.980 it was a private conversation. He may have said these things publicly too. But he said basically

00:10:48.980 what Charlie said here. He said, you know, Michael, I think evangelicals don't venerate Mary enough.

00:10:57.660 I was kind of surprised to hear this. And he went on and gave similar explanations to what Charlie said

00:11:02.200 there. Some of the stuff Charlie's talking about is so true. You know, Mary was obviously very important

00:11:06.860 to early Christians. This is undeniable. You know, we have the Rylan's papyri. These are papyri, 0.86

00:11:13.980 papyrus from antiquity. There's one, the Rylan's papyrus 470. This is from AD 250. This is so you're

00:11:21.780 talking about the middle of the third century, long predating even the Council of Nicaea. And we see

00:11:27.260 a prayer to Mary, referring to Mary as the mother of God, not merely trying to divide Christ into two

00:11:35.780 persons or trying to have a clean demarcation as if to say that Christ's divine nature and human nature

00:11:41.980 mean that he's really two people or his divine nature is an illusion or his human nature is an

00:11:45.800 illusion or any manner of ancient heresies. No, no. The prayer from antiquity long before the Council

00:11:51.500 of Nicaea says, mother of God, do not despise our petitions and adversity. Not only acknowledging

00:11:57.900 Mary as the mother of God, but also praying to Mary. We know that Christians did this from at least 1.00

00:12:07.060 middle of the third century and certainly much earlier than that. We also have just from scripture,

00:12:13.060 you know, Luke chapter one, hail full of grace, hail Mary full of grace. All generations will call her

00:12:19.840 blessed. This is a special woman. And we even have evidence of Mary as a mediatrix. So like we have

00:12:30.420 from St. Irenaeus, this is in the second century, teaching that Mary's, yes, when the angel Gabriel

00:12:36.860 comes down and says, you know, you're going to conceive a child. And she says, yes, I'm the Lord's

00:12:43.220 servant, his will be done. That this untied the knot of Eve's disobedience. As Eve by disobeying became

00:12:50.440 the cause of death for herself and the whole human race. So Mary by obeying became the cause of 0.97

00:12:54.600 salvation for herself and the whole human race. The cause of salvation, that's St. Irenaeus. St.

00:12:59.300 Irenaeus is a disciple of Polycarp, who is a disciple of John the apostle. St. Irenaeus himself

00:13:05.000 might've been a disciple of John the apostle. So why do I mention all of this? Why bring all of this

00:13:12.500 theology and ancient history into this conversation of Charlie Kirk, who mostly hosts a political show

00:13:19.080 because it's a sign of the times. Okay. Charlie is, he's an unusual figure because, well, he's extremely

00:13:26.760 successful. He's effectively running the Republican party. You know, he's a, he's a big figure in

00:13:32.200 politics. Didn't go to college, self-taught. He's a, an alum of the Lincoln fellowship at the Claremont

00:13:38.140 Institute. You know, he's, he's a really intellectually curious guy. So he loves to, to pursue the truth as

00:13:44.280 he can find it. And he's, he's doing what a lot of us did. Even those of us who did go to college

00:13:47.860 where we say, we didn't really get a full education there. We got to play catch up in our twenties and

00:13:51.720 in our thirties. And so he's learning things. He's, he's really interested in not only knowledge

00:13:57.500 generally, but understanding the knowledge that formed our civilization, things that have deep

00:14:03.460 roots. And he says, you know, I came to this conclusion. Mary's actually really important.

00:14:09.200 And going all the way back to the earliest days of the church, Mary was really important and she

00:14:14.480 should be important for us too. We need to maybe return to a little bit of tradition. We need to

00:14:18.820 pay more attention to what our forebears thought. We need to, we need to rediscover some of these

00:14:23.160 forgotten truths or truths that have been forgotten, at least in certain communities. This is, Charlie is

00:14:28.560 not only in part a cause of, of some of the great developments we're seeing in politics, but he is a sign

00:14:34.620 of the times too, because this is what's happening. It's happening among Protestants. It's happening among

00:14:39.600 Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. It's happening among atheists. Even there was a return 0.96

00:14:45.520 to faith. The fashionable Reddit fedora tipping atheism of the two thousands done deader than

00:14:52.620 disco, super lame. Christianity is hot again, ever ancient, ever new. It's where we went from 20 1.00

00:15:00.800 years ago thinking only stupid people believe in religion to thinking only stupid people are atheists

00:15:04.580 because we're now rediscovering the intellectual tradition of Christianity. We're rediscovering

00:15:09.760 the liturgical aspect of Christianity. There's a movement among conservative Protestants to retake

00:15:15.080 the mainline Protestant churches, which have totally fallen into liberalism and disarray. I don't know if

00:15:19.880 that's going to work, but at least there's an impulse in that way. There's a movement among evangelicals to

00:15:24.440 dig into some of the, the traditions of, of Christianity. And obviously you've seen a huge uptick

00:15:30.600 in conversions to Eastern Orthodoxy to some degree, and especially to Catholicism, to the oldest,

00:15:37.080 most liturgical, traditional smells and bells, ancient kind of theology. That is a sign of the

00:15:43.240 times. And the sign is that we are here in the year of our Lord, 2025. We've just come off this

00:15:51.300 high of modernity and innovation and saying, forget about the past. And we're going to knock down statues.

00:15:57.380 And the people in the dark ages are dumb. And we know everything to realizing we don't know 1.00

00:16:02.920 everything. We know actually much less than our forebears did. We know much less than our

00:16:07.400 grandparents did, for goodness sakes. Things have fallen apart. We don't get married anymore. We

00:16:11.640 don't have babies anymore. We can't sustain our political order anymore. We can't even protect

00:16:15.620 our borders. Something has fallen apart in our political thinking, which relies on practical

00:16:21.740 morality, which ultimately comes down to religion. Man, maybe we need to rethink that.

00:16:26.120 But that's what's happening. You get all of that and more and a very good theology out of that clip

00:16:34.960 from Charlie. This is good stuff, man. Whenever some people, you know, conservatives, they just want

00:16:41.720 to be down in the dumps all the time. And it's always about how the West is over and everything's

00:16:45.680 lost and it's all going to hell in a handbasket. These are good developments. Speaking of signs of the 0.59

00:16:52.100 times, while the Republicans are going in one direction, Democrats are going in another, in a

00:16:57.040 very different direction. And it's creating a lot of problems for Democrat candidates. 0.97

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00:18:33.780 free gifts. Speaking of signs of the times, a CNN pollster, CNN pollster is shocked at how anti-Israel

00:18:43.120 Democrats have become. Andrew Cuomo during the primary attack Mondani is being insufficiently

00:18:49.140 pro-Israel. I'm not quite sure the former governor understood how much the politics have changed around

00:18:55.000 this issue among Democrats. What are we talking about here? All right, who Democrat sympathize more

00:18:59.940 with? Israelis or Palestinians? In 2017, the Democratic Party was a pro-Israeli party. Look

00:19:05.200 at this. They sympathize with the Israelis by 13 points, more with the Israelis than the Palestinians.

00:19:09.280 But look at this sea change. Now Democrats sympathize more with the Palestinians by 43 points.

00:19:16.620 Oh my God, that is a change in the margin of 56 points over the course of just eight years. So all of

00:19:24.100 a sudden, it's the pro-Palestinian position that actually reigns supreme in democratic politics,

00:19:29.200 not the Israeli position. And that is part of the reason why Mondani was able to do so well in this

00:19:34.040 primary, because those attacks over Israel simply put did not ring true for Democrats.

00:19:38.620 That's an unbelievable swing. The CNN pollster is right to be that shocked. You're talking about a

00:19:44.340 56-point swing in what, eight years, 2017 to today? A 56-point swing. So when Democrat politicians

00:19:53.100 like Andrew Cuomo, who was just trying to run for mayor of New York and got blown out of the water by

00:19:58.160 Zoran Mamdani, the socialist Muslim millennial who's going to become the next mayor of New York,

00:20:06.640 I'm not surprised that Cuomo would say, this guy, he's anti-Israel, he's pro-Palestine, 0.94

00:20:13.000 this is crazy, and be totally unaware that the Democrats have completely flipped on the issue,

00:20:19.960 completely flipped. Now why is that? I want to bookend something for a second.

00:20:24.760 In part, public opinion for Israel, public approval has dropped because of Israeli actions. Just today

00:20:31.440 there was news that Israel hit, I guess accidentally, the one Catholic church in Gaza.

00:20:38.080 So now you have the Pope talking about this. Okay, not great, not a good look for the state of Israel.

00:20:42.880 Okay, so, but I want to bookend that for a second. Bookend the Israeli actions and the military

00:20:48.200 actions because I don't think that's the whole story. I think there is something kind of funny,

00:20:53.640 maybe darkly funny, about the criticism for Israel beyond actions like that, which is the Democrats

00:21:02.220 hate Israel. The Zoran Mamdani types hate Israel because they view it as a Western imperial project.

00:21:10.360 And some elements, many, many fewer, but some elements on the right hate Israel because they

00:21:17.020 view it as an anti-Western project. So you see, the state of Israel is being hit for almost opposite

00:21:23.700 reasons. The Libs say, this is just a bunch of white people coming into the Middle East,

00:21:29.460 which belongs to the brown people. For some reason, the Arab conquest of the Levant is the only just 0.99

00:21:36.080 conquest ever in the seventh and eighth centuries. And so now it belongs to these people and no white 1.00

00:21:43.020 people are allowed anymore. And the Jews are white, which isn't even totally true. And the Jews are 1.00

00:21:48.100 white and they came in and Israel's a colonial project set up by the British and the UN. And 0.74

00:21:52.460 anyway, that's why it's evil because it's Western. And then there are some elements on the right that

00:21:56.780 say, no, no, no, no, you misunderstand leftists. The reason Israel is evil is because it's anti-Western.

00:22:01.720 But we can all agree that we hate Israel and the Jews, but at least Israel. Okay. It's kind of a 1.00

00:22:09.780 funny thing, if you can laugh about such matters. It's being attacked for opposite reasons, but that's

00:22:16.420 the big shift. And so in New York, New York is a Democrat town mostly, and that's what's going to

00:22:23.000 play. Soran Mamdani is going to play. But people should not be confused here. Mamdani is not anti-Israel

00:22:31.660 because he's an Islamist, because he's a follower of Saeed Qutb, because he's a Wahhabi or something 0.51

00:22:36.940 like that. Far from it. I would be surprised if this guy took Islam seriously at all. 0.99

00:22:42.540 You know, it's funny. We were speaking earlier about ancient Christian heresies and specifically

00:22:46.220 the heresy of Nestorianism that tries to divide Christ as human and as God. And it probably was 0.99

00:22:53.400 the ancient heresy of Nestorianism that helped to kick off Islam in the first place because 1.00

00:22:57.800 Muhammad went on a merchant trip with his uncle, was it Abu Talib, and ran into a heretical Christian 1.00

00:23:03.980 monk. And I think the monk, it's unclear exactly what heresy he took part in, but he very well

00:23:08.200 might have been a Nestorian. So in any case, you see these heresies come down the line. Even if you

00:23:14.740 think, as I do, that the Islamic theology is rather mistaken. I don't think Mamdani is thinking about

00:23:19.740 that at all. I think he's just a regular lib. And the reason the libs attack Israel is not because

00:23:24.860 they care about the Intifada in the way that Hamas does. It's because they hate the West 0.96

00:23:33.340 and colonialism and imperialism and all the rest of it. So on the Mamdani front, there's an update.

00:23:40.580 There's a big update. And you know how much I hate to say I told you so, but I've been saying

00:23:43.040 that from the beginning. I said, all these conservatives are attacking Mamdani as though

00:23:46.820 he were Osama bin Laden. It's just a farce. He's not. In many ways, if Mamdani were a serious 0.97

00:23:54.280 Islamist, a jihadi even, he would be easier to deal with. He would be more reasonable than these 1.00

00:23:59.960 leftists and these communists who speak about queer liberation and other gobbledygook. Well, 0.83

00:24:06.480 Mamdani was asked if he supports globalizing the Intifada. This is a phrase used by the left,

00:24:15.020 especially since the Gaza war kicked off. And Mamdani refused to condemn the phrase.

00:24:20.880 Globalize the Intifada. What does globalize the Intifada mean? It means promote jihad and 0.97

00:24:26.420 specifically attack Jews, but attack other people too, but especially Jews. Globalize the Intifada. 0.96

00:24:32.660 And he said, I'm not going to condemn that phrase. Well, what do you know? Now that he's the nominee

00:24:37.280 reported in the New York Times, so Ron Mamdani is not going to use the phrase. He doesn't like the

00:24:43.260 phrase as much anymore. He said that he would discourage others from using the phrase because

00:24:51.040 it's seen as a call to violence. New York Times saying these comments came in a closed-door meeting

00:24:55.400 with roughly 150 business executives at the offices of Tishman Spire in Rockefeller Center,

00:25:00.980 hosted by the Partnership for New York City, a consortium of members representing banks,

00:25:05.140 law firms, and corporations. Yeah, when you're in a room surrounded by Jews, 1.00

00:25:08.940 you probably want to downplay your Intifada cred. But he would have done it anyway. He would have

00:25:13.220 done it anyway. Because as I said from the beginning with Zoran, it's not that he's an

00:25:18.640 Islamist. No way. I don't even know that he's all that ideological as a leftist. The phrase they

00:25:27.020 use for it now, it used to be politically incorrect, then it was woke. Now we call it gay race 0.93

00:25:30.920 communism. But it's the same kind of radical leftist ideology. I don't even know if it's that.

00:25:36.060 I think the guy wants power. I think he's wanted to be president since he was in the womb.

00:25:40.560 And he realized that there's a system of sticks and carrots that encourages ambitious young

00:25:47.020 politicos to adopt certain positions like radical leftism, to identify as a minority, in this case,

00:25:53.740 a religious minority, pretend to be Muslim, even if he doesn't go to mosque very much,

00:25:58.180 to identify as a racial minority. That's why he pretended to be a black guy on his college 0.97

00:26:01.240 application. And so he saw that system of incentives. And if the system of incentives had been

00:26:05.600 otherwise, if the system of incentives had been toward the right, then Zoran Mamdani would probably

00:26:11.000 be wearing overalls, playing banjo, calling himself Bubba, okay? Had it been more for a

00:26:16.780 conservative identity, you'd get that out of him too. Now he's trying to moderate a little bit and

00:26:23.920 just fall into the fashionable leftism of New York. So my answer to that is, well, if you want to have

00:26:30.120 a political order that's a little more sensible, you just got to change the incentives. And that's

00:26:35.080 why it's so important that Trump and the Supreme Court are going in and getting rid of affirmative 1.00

00:26:40.020 action programs and diversity statements on college applications. Part of the reason is you need to

00:26:44.980 create new incentives in the culture to gain power. And if the current incentives are become a radical

00:26:50.220 leftist, you're going to get a ton of radical leftists because the class of sociopathically

00:26:54.860 ambitious kids is just always going to go where the power is. Create those new incentives, 1.00

00:26:59.920 you're going to get a new political order. Culture is downstream of politics. Okay. Now,

00:27:04.140 speaking of that, speaking of really codifying cultural movements into law, great news coming out

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00:28:38.560 with Stopbox. Vice President J.D. Vance has cast the tie-breaking vote to enshrine

00:28:47.340 doge cuts, the Elon government efficiency cuts, specifically to foreign aid, into law.

00:28:53.800 One of the big criticisms was that Elon's going to come into the government. He doesn't really have

00:28:58.520 the authority to make these cuts, and he's doing all of these cuts, but they might not have any effect

00:29:02.780 immediately. And even if they do have an immediate effect, they're not going to have a long-term effect

00:29:05.660 because Congress needs to get involved. And this is all just coming out of the White House, and

00:29:08.740 what can be signed into law with executive orders and pens can be taken out of law just as easily.

00:29:13.720 Well, there was a 51-50 vote where the Senate had a rescission request to pull back some of the

00:29:23.120 funding that had been set aside. This was out of the Appropriations Committee, despite the centrists

00:29:30.040 and the squishes who didn't want to cut foreign aid, worried this would impact global health and

00:29:36.580 the American empire. It's the usual suspects. Lisa Murkowski, senator from Alaska, Susan Collins

00:29:41.920 from Maine, Mitch McConnell now. They voted no, didn't matter, because that meant that the VP,

00:29:47.400 president of the Senate, could walk over from the White House, cast the tie-breaking vote.

00:29:52.880 It's not just executive orders. It's not just executive orders here. The Republicans,

00:29:57.860 even with a challenging situation, getting Republicans in Congress to do anything is like

00:30:02.460 herding cats. And yet, we are seeing stuff get done. The EOs would be good, but we are seeing

00:30:10.580 stuff get done. And not just the big legislative achievement, the big beautiful bill, but we are

00:30:14.860 seeing an effective, competent administration. More effective and more competent than we saw in the

00:30:21.860 first term. Good stuff. It's not as splashy. It doesn't get as much play as scandals or fake

00:30:26.680 scandals or non-traversies from the establishment media, but it's pretty good stuff. Now, speaking

00:30:31.360 of Republicans in Congress, I got some bad news. There's some guy, Gabe Evans. Gabe Evans is some

00:30:39.880 millennial congressman. I guess he's a Republican, and he has this bright idea that we're winning on a

00:30:45.220 lot. We're winning on a lot of stuff coming out of the White House, a little bit coming out of

00:30:48.560 Congress. Trump won the popular vote running on mass deportations. It's now a mainstream majority

00:30:54.400 political issue. So what are the Republicans in Congress going to do? The Republicans in

00:30:59.400 Congress who can't win for losing, who clutch defeat from the jaws of victory, the only thing

00:31:03.220 they can do, they're going to push for amnesty. Hi, I'm Congressman Gabe Evans from Colorado's 8th

00:31:09.820 Congressional District, and today I am so happy to be able to help introduce the Bipartisan Dignity Act.

00:31:16.780 I'm the grandson of immigrants from Mexico, and so this bill is particularly important to me

00:31:21.660 because it does three critical things. It makes sure that we have resources to secure the border.

00:31:27.380 It helps us crush the criminals, the cartels, and the gangbangers that are in our community illegally 1.00

00:31:32.380 and causing problems, but it also provides a pathway for hardworking immigrants who want to come to the

00:31:38.920 United States, work hard, raise their family, be a contributing part of the American dream, and this

00:31:45.280 is something that I've heard from the employers and from the Latino community in my district. They want

00:31:50.720 that path forward to be able to comply with the law and earn their version of the American dream.

00:31:56.440 That's what the Dignity Act does, and I'm so honored to be able to help introduce it today.

00:32:01.640 Yeah, no. No, I'm going to say no. I don't know Gabe Evans. Maybe he's a nice guy.

00:32:08.440 Gabe, if you're watching this, nice to meet you. No. No. Delete that video. Delete that legislation.

00:32:17.460 Delete that video. With Republicans like this, we don't need Democrats.

00:32:22.500 Are you out of your mind? Are you out of your ever-loving mind?

00:32:29.940 We won the election on immigration. Not just immigration. Not just enforcement of the border.

00:32:39.600 Not just deporting criminals. We won the election with the popular vote and 46% of Hispanics on mass 0.71

00:32:49.460 deportations. We have 11 to 16 million illegal aliens in the country. That's a very conservative

00:32:54.760 estimate. They're not all wearing face tattoos worshiping Satan. Very few of them are, actually.

00:33:00.840 Many of them work very hard. That's not the point. The point is they broke the law. They came into this

00:33:06.800 country illegally. Their first action in this country was to disrespect us, violate a basic law. 0.97

00:33:11.940 They're taxing our resources. They are, by flagrantly violating the law. It's not that we

00:33:17.120 wouldn't have let them come in legally had they done the right thing, but maybe we would have. Maybe

00:33:20.960 we wouldn't have. That's our right as citizens. It's about sovereignty. It's about justice. It's about

00:33:25.880 social solidarity. No freaking amnesty. What's the matter with you? What is a matter with these people?

00:33:31.680 Ah! You know I lose my temper about two, maybe three times a year. Crazy stuff. Delete that video

00:33:39.560 and delete that legislation. And any Republican that votes for this stuff, that votes for mass

00:33:46.880 amnesty after the 2024 election, like five seconds after the 2024 election, any Republican congressman

00:33:53.160 who votes for that, delete them from the Congress rolls, okay? Send them back to the private sector.

00:33:58.440 Get them out of government. Completely insane. Maybe he's a nice guy. Delete that video.

00:34:05.060 Now, speaking of the state of the GOP, President Trump is very upset about the fact that some people

00:34:12.340 are still talking about Jeffrey Epstein. He's railing against Republicans and he is now being criticized

00:34:18.420 by people who say he's turned on his base. I don't think that's what's going on. I think what's

00:34:23.580 going on has a lot more to do with Congress. We'll get to exactly what he said in a second. First,

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00:34:59.520 My favorite comment yesterday is from Chestnut Gun Shop. When my daughters started middle school, 0.58

00:35:06.940 I told them almost weekly, never let anyone take a picture of you doing anything you don't want your

00:35:11.080 mother to see. Great, great point. I said this yesterday to everyone who watches the show,

00:35:17.280 but especially the young people. I know there are a lot of very young people who watch the show.

00:35:19.740 teenagers, 12-year-olds, 11-year-olds. There are young people who come up to me at events and they

00:35:25.200 say, oh, hello, Mr. Knowles, I want your show. So anyway, this is to all of you, but to the adults

00:35:29.600 too. Don't, don't ever send a photo of yourself nude or in a compromising position to anyone. Let me

00:35:39.840 go further. Don't ever take a photo of yourself in that kind of position. Don't, nothing good can come

00:35:47.780 from that. And what you're going to say is, well, everyone does that now. I don't care that everyone

00:35:52.460 does that. Do you, do I have to, am I your father? No, I got to talk to you like you. If everyone

00:35:56.440 drove off a bridge, would you drive off a bridge? The liberals would. This was a great point. I think

00:36:01.160 Adrian Vermeule, the great Harvard law professor made this point yesterday on X, said for liberals,

00:36:06.760 the only criterion for, for making judgments is social proof because they, they're not rooted in

00:36:14.320 anything eternal or lasting, lasting really at all. So it's just, well, if everyone's doing it,

00:36:19.440 it must be the right thing to do, but that's not how we, they're wrong. Don't do that. No

00:36:26.440 nude pictures, no sexting, no, none of that. Don't do that ever. I don't care what age you are.

00:36:32.260 I don't care if you're 52. In fact, it's, in some ways it's worse if you're 50. Don't,

00:36:37.320 none of that. That was very good advice that you gave to your daughter. Okay. President Trump,

00:36:41.880 very irritated at the state of the GOP. President Trump has written a lot on truth. So the truth

00:36:48.100 social posts have gotten longer. It says the radical left Democrats have hit pay dirt again,

00:36:52.760 just like with the fake and fully discredited steel dossier, the lying 51 intelligence agents,

00:36:56.540 the laptop from hell, which the Democrats swore had come from Russia. No, it came from Hunter

00:36:59.920 Biden's bathroom, even though, speaking of, speaking of weird nude selfies sexting, even the Russia,

00:37:05.060 Russia, Russia scam itself, a totally fake and made up story used in order to hide crooked

00:37:08.020 Hillary's big laws in 2016 presidential election. These scams and hoaxes are all

00:37:11.780 the Democrats are good at. It's all they have. They're no good at governing,

00:37:14.740 no good at policy, no good at picking winning candidates. And unlike the Republicans,

00:37:18.100 they stick together like glue. Okay. So there's the flip. The preface

00:37:21.100 is to remind you of how many, not just how many times the Democrats have tried to get Trump,

00:37:27.020 but he's reminding you how many times it seemed like Trump was totally on the ropes and he was done

00:37:31.980 and his career was over and he was going to jail and he was, and then he survived. And now we forget

00:37:37.020 about a lot of those, those non-traversies. And he lived through all of these. He had to really

00:37:41.580 fight, fight like a dog to get out of these things. So he's reminding you, hey, you think this is a

00:37:46.620 big problem. It's a tempest in a teapot. That's the subtext. Then he goes to what he really wants

00:37:50.700 to talk about. He says, the Democrats stick together like glue. We don't. You, some of my supporters

00:37:57.060 are attacking me over the Epstein thing. This is their new scam. This is what we will forever call

00:38:02.780 the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. And my past supporters have bought into this BS hook, line, and sinker.

00:38:07.140 They haven't learned their lesson. They probably never will. Even after being conned by the lunatic

00:38:10.980 left for eight long years, I've had more success in six months than perhaps any president in our

00:38:16.060 country's history. And all these people want to talk about, but strong prodding by the fake news

00:38:19.920 and the success star of Dems is the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. Let these weaklings continue forward.

00:38:24.800 And do the Democrats work. Don't even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success

00:38:28.800 because I don't want their support anymore. Whoa. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

00:38:33.580 Make America great again. I don't want their support. So I think this is being misinterpreted.

00:38:37.140 We've talked about the Epstein thing ad nauseum. So, you know, you, you know, my views on that.

00:38:41.160 I think the government needs a better answer on it. It needs to, I think people want justice and it's

00:38:45.620 not necessarily that they want full transparency. I don't think governments are in the business of

00:38:49.440 full transparency, but, but we want justice. And so the government needs to make clear that some

00:38:52.980 justice is being done. People do want some answers, no doubt about it. But that's a separate point

00:38:58.140 actually to what president Trump's talking about here. Cause he says, I don't want the people who

00:39:02.020 are incessantly focused and yelling at me over Epstein. I don't want their support anymore.

00:39:05.900 I think this is being misinterpreted as him saying, you know, the ordinary run of the mill rank and

00:39:11.420 file MAGA guys who, you know, donated and showed up to the rallies. I don't like you anymore. I don't

00:39:16.640 think that's what he's saying. I think this, he might as well have written this truth social post to

00:39:20.980 Congress. I think he might've opened this up with dear Congress, dear Thomas Massey, dear Marjorie Taylor

00:39:26.880 Green, and then written the rest of it. I don't, I think this is to his politician supporters,

00:39:32.360 the people in his coalition, because you now have guys like Thomas Massey, a libertarian,

00:39:37.340 teaming up with Democrats to try to force the release of the Epstein files, which many people

00:39:40.640 might like, but the Democrats don't like it because they want transparency in government.

00:39:44.280 Democrats like it because it's a way to attack Trump and that's how Trump's viewing it. And so

00:39:47.920 Trump is viewing some of his political enemies, the Democrats, plus his political enemies within the

00:39:53.360 Republican party, Thomas Massey and his erstwhile supporters, people like Marjorie Taylor Greene

00:39:57.740 coming after him for this. And he's viewing this as a loyalty test or a betrayal. And I think the

00:40:01.840 Epstein issue is secondary or tertiary in his mind. It might be primary in most people's minds,

00:40:06.980 but that's not how he's viewing this. The key line to this post is the Democrats stick together like

00:40:12.740 glue, but Republicans don't. That's what this is about. This is the most real threat to his

00:40:20.480 coalition yet. I don't think that it's the end of MAGA. I don't think it's likely to be the end

00:40:25.500 of MAGA, but this is the most real threat to the coalition yet. And conservatives need to learn how

00:40:31.440 to stick together like glue. And part of that is going to be at some point, you're already starting

00:40:35.820 to see some movement on this, but you have people who are not haters of Trump. You have, you have some

00:40:40.300 of Trump's strongest supporters saying, Hey, you gotta, we gotta do something else. The Epstein issue is not

00:40:46.960 going to go away. You gotta do, you gotta offer something. And I think that that's going to be

00:40:51.280 important to keeping the coalition together. This is not just another, uh, you know, the bond market

00:40:56.460 is failing for a day. This is not just, uh, the panic hands. This, this, this does have some legs

00:41:01.740 and there's a way out of it, but you gotta, you gotta work on getting out of it. Okay. Uh, now speaking

00:41:06.080 of speaking of the Epstein issue, Shane Gillis decided to, uh, make this a feature of his monologue

00:41:13.180 while hosting the ESPYs last night. Donald Trump wants to stage a UFC fight on the White House

00:41:19.540 lawn. The last time he staged a fight in DC, Mike Pence almost died. You don't have to do

00:41:25.600 that. It was fine. I didn't write it. Uh, actually there was supposed to be an Epstein joke here,

00:41:32.300 but as it got deleted, must've, uh, probably deleted itself, right? Probably never existed.

00:41:41.380 Actually, let's move on as a country and ignore that. Okay. All right. So you see, I actually like

00:41:47.920 that they included the Mike Pence clip at the top because I like Shane Gillis. I think he's very

00:41:51.480 funny, but Shane Gillis is a fence sitter politically. He is not, he's not on the right.

00:41:58.580 He's not on the left. He is a fence sitter and he is a weather vane. He's, he's a very funny guy too,

00:42:04.720 but he doesn't want to upset the left and he doesn't want to upset the right. And he's going to

00:42:10.060 go basically where the median voter is. I think that's what he wants to do in the podcasting realm.

00:42:16.760 You see Joe Rogan, the greatest podcaster ever. Joe Rogan is the avatar of the median voter. That's

00:42:22.940 part of why he's so effective. Shane Gillis is doing the same thing in comedy. And so

00:42:27.260 what these guys, what guys like Shane Gillis are joking about, not what NBC is joking about,

00:42:33.220 not what some stupid left-wing comedians, but what Shane Gillis is joking about, what Joe Rogan is

00:42:37.780 talking about. That is a decent gauge of where the zeitgeist is and where the culture is.

00:42:42.640 And right now the administration needs to do everything it can not to lose the median voter.

00:42:50.100 This is political advice going all the way back to Antonio Gramsci going on and further back.

00:42:55.160 You got to have the common sense. And Trump won with the popular vote with huge swaths of every

00:43:01.460 demographic because he had the common sense and the libs lost the common sense.

00:43:05.700 And right now there is a fear and there's a concerted push to try to suggest Democrats now

00:43:11.240 have the common sense on this disclosure issue. And the Republicans don't have the common sense

00:43:15.120 anymore. They're being duplicitous or they're being deceitful. And it doesn't have to be that way.

00:43:18.840 I don't think that is really how it is, but the movement is real. Hold the common sense.

00:43:25.800 Hold the Shane Gillises. Hold the Joe Rogans. Hold tight. This is a real threat. Okay. Speaking of

00:43:32.920 Trump wins, there's a major, major Trump win coming out of Maha. President Trump tweeted out,

00:43:42.240 he said, I'm being slightly facetious, but only slightly. He says,

00:43:45.560 I've been speaking to Coca-Cola about using real cane sugar and Coke in the United States.

00:43:50.840 They've agreed to do so. I'd like to thank all of those in authority at Coca-Cola. This will be

00:43:55.400 a very good move by them. You'll see. It's just better. It's just better. The sugars. And you

00:44:01.200 might say, well, who cares, Michael? We're talking about the world order. We're talking about espionage.

00:44:07.080 We're talking about serious crimes. And you want to talk about Coca-Cola. This is a concrete win.

00:44:11.940 It's a concrete Maha victory. Trump formed this new coalition by bringing in people who were 0.97

00:44:18.560 historically liberal, the crunchy hippie types who worry about the food supply. They were

00:44:23.500 uniformly on the left 10, 15 years ago. Now they're on the right. And he delivered them a real concrete

00:44:29.860 win. Not even through legislation, not even through an executive order, but by bullying a corporation,

00:44:35.960 making them use real cane sugar. Not that cane sugar is good for you. It's not that you should be

00:44:40.080 guzzling Coca-Cola with real sugar. That's also bad for you. But that's a win. That's something

00:44:44.400 concrete groups in his coalition wanted, and they're getting it. They want to get rid of seed

00:44:50.080 oils. They want to get rid of high fructose corn syrup. He got that for them by just picking up the

00:44:53.720 phone and talking to the head of Coca-Cola. That's a win. And I think the administration can point to a

00:44:58.340 lot of these and wants to do more of it. They say, hey, you didn't support me in vain.

00:45:03.500 Listen, I gave you what you wanted. I'm going to deliver on Maha. I'm going to deliver on no new

00:45:09.960 wars. We were told we're going to get World War III in Iran. We didn't get that. We're going to 0.99

00:45:13.460 deliver on wages for workers. We're going to deliver on immigration. They're delivering on 0.98

00:45:18.600 that. We're going to deliver. We're going to deliver. We're going to deliver. That's how you're

00:45:23.200 going to win. It's going to be these concrete victories. The libs, Barack Obama, we'll have to get to

00:45:27.740 this tomorrow. The libs have been promising all this abstract nonsense about gender identity or

00:45:35.120 whatever. And they lost their coalition. They lost the common sense. These concrete wins are

00:45:40.780 going to help. And so the issue with Epstein is that was a concrete win that the coalition was

00:45:50.680 expecting. Here you go. Here are the files. Here's the binder. Here's the whatever. There's got to be

00:45:54.200 some way for the administration to be able to claim a victory here. Okay. Before we get into the

00:45:59.320 member block, it's Theology Thursday. I want to thank all of you. I really want to thank you because

00:46:03.080 I mentioned at the tail end of the show yesterday, there was this new charitable cause that had come

00:46:08.180 to my attention. And it's a Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease. It's this genetic condition inherited by

00:46:14.580 little kids that causes them to lose a lot of their mobility, you know, in wheelchairs and stuff by

00:46:18.740 the time they're teenagers. It really, really damages their life. And a geneticist in Cyprus seems to

00:46:24.180 have found a cure, but they need to raise money for toxicology studies and the final round of

00:46:28.780 clinical trials and all the rest. And so often this happens where you got what looks like pretty

00:46:33.640 reliably a cure and you got a ton of patients, thousands of patients, the little kids who need

00:46:37.580 it. And, but you can't get the cure to the patients because you can't raise some money.

00:46:41.040 So anyway, I mentioned that. I said, uh, it came to my attention because my friend's kid was

00:46:44.600 diagnosed with this condition. They've raised a ton of money. They're very, very close, but they were

00:46:48.100 having trouble getting over the last hump. And the creme de la creme, man, you guys completely came

00:46:52.560 through. It was, that's really beautiful to see. Uh, for those who have not given yet, by the way,

00:46:57.240 the address is justgiving.com slash page slash cure for George, justgiving.com slash page slash cure for

00:47:04.440 George. But I said, I said, if everyone gives a dollar or less than a dollar, 50 cents or something,

00:47:09.880 they'll, they'll, uh, they'll be off to the races. And so many of you didn't donate a dollar.

00:47:15.120 You donated $10, a hundred dollars, more than that. That's some, a thousand dollars. Some of you could

00:47:20.340 donate $10,000. There's some, there's some well-heeled people in the audience, but, but even

00:47:24.780 people who said, I really don't have money to give, but I want to help out and give a buck or two.

00:47:28.920 So, so sweet. Really wonderful. Uh, so beautiful to see. Thank you to all of you. If you haven't

00:47:34.000 done it yet, there's still time. Justgiving.com slash page slash cure for George. I greatly appreciate

00:47:38.620 your generosity. And now you get a great tax deduction at the end of the year and you don't

00:47:42.660 have to give money to old uncle Sam. All right. That's good. That's good too. Thank you. Thank you again.

00:47:46.460 Okay. It's Theology Thursday. The rest of the show continues. Now you do not want to miss it.

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