The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1779 - Dem Congressman Defends Aborting Christ on Joe Rogan

00:00:00.000 With Christianity rising once again to play a dominant role in popular American politics, 0.99

00:00:05.420 Democrats are seeking to control the narrative by sending some heretic state representative 1.00

00:00:11.460 onto Joe Rogan to argue, I kid you not, that the Holy Mother of God had every right to abort the

00:00:20.320 messiah. I don't, in the craziest Hollywood version of a political party recognizing a

00:00:30.740 vulnerability, trying to win over the voters that they're losing, I could not possibly imagine a 0.98

00:00:38.300 stupider thing for Democrats to do. So we'll get into what he says. I'm Michael Knowles, this is the Michael Knowles Show. 0.91

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00:02:43.160 It is back in politics in a way that we have not seen in 25 years at least. Religion went away from

00:02:50.840 politics for a while. I mean, you can never really take religion away from politics because all politics

00:02:54.360 is ultimately religious. But overt appeals to Christianity, to God, even to virtue and morality,

00:03:02.360 that went away for a while. In the 2000s, especially after 9-11, the secularists and the atheists used

00:03:08.420 this as an opportunity to try to kick God out of the public square. And this was the rise of

00:03:13.040 Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris. And atheism was cool and

00:03:18.760 religion wasn't cool. And politicians in both parties took note. So the right started speaking 0.96

00:03:24.840 in much more secular terms, started speaking in much more libertarian kind of terms, ideological terms.

00:03:32.180 The religious right from the 1990s kind of fell a little bit by the wayside. The left hates God and

00:03:38.700 hates religion. And so that's been true since the French Revolution. So they were happy as clams. 1.00

00:03:43.660 That is over now. All that secularism, cringe. Christopher Hitchens, at least he was clever.

00:03:52.560 The rest of those guys, cringe. Lame. The idea that we have of atheists now is just Reddit tippers

00:03:59.300 who don't shower on Reddit, you know, just with their fedoras on. It's just, it's out. So you're

00:04:07.160 seeing much more direct discussions of religion. For goodness sakes, you have the vice president of the

00:04:12.420 United States giving lectures on Augustinian and Thomistic theology, talking about the Ordo

00:04:17.820 Amoris, the Ordo Caritatis on Twitter. We're back. We're back. Which makes a problem for Democrats

00:04:25.780 because Democrats hate God and hate religion, and they don't know how to speak about religion. So 0.74

00:04:30.000 they recognize the problem. They send some state rep. By they, by the way, I just mean the left broadly.

00:04:36.220 I don't think this was cooked up in the halls of the DNC. I don't think the Democrats are really

00:04:41.820 unified enough to cook up a unified plan. But they send this guy on, James Tallarico. I'm ashamed

00:04:48.780 that he has what appears to be at least a vaguely Italian last name. James Tallarico goes on Joe

00:04:55.400 Rogan, the biggest podcast in the world, to discuss his apparently devout Christianity and why his 0.98

00:05:03.340 devotion to God and religion leads him to defend a ton of weird sex stuff and murdering babies.

00:05:11.540 So it just, I get suspicious when anybody, whether it's a televangelist or a politician, tells me that

00:05:18.440 something is central to my faith when Jesus never talks about it. To me, that should, I think,

00:05:23.800 ring alarm bells as to what is the agenda here. Put a pause just right there.

00:05:29.000 First problem that he's got, he says, I just, I have some real alarm bells that come up

00:05:34.660 when people say something about the Christian faith that Christ did not directly say, like in the red

00:05:42.220 letters of your Bible. But of course, our Lord, if you look at the entire text of scripture, our Lord

00:05:47.840 Lord directly says relatively few things. Now, of course, all scripture is inspired by God and it is

00:05:56.980 inerrant. But the actual red letter words of Christ on earth, relatively few. So is he saying that we

00:06:04.860 can't come to any conclusions beyond that? Why do we have the rest of the Bible? Why do we have the

00:06:09.060 entire Old Testament? Why do we have the epistles? Why do we have the book of the apocalypse? Why do we

00:06:15.200 have most of the gospels? If what this, if this guy's contention is that if Christ does not directly

00:06:22.260 say something during his sojourn on earth, you should ignore it. That should have nothing to do

00:06:26.600 with your faith. Already, you're starting out on real shaky ground. He goes on.

00:06:31.780 What is someone trying to, to get across? And I think if we're looking at the last 40, 50 years,

00:06:37.740 the religious right has made a concerted effort to make homosexuality and abortion the two biggest

00:06:44.600 issues for Christians. And, you know, the Southern Baptist Convention was pro-choice until the late

00:06:51.900 1970s. So this, this idea that to be a Christian means you have to be anti-gay and anti-abortion,

00:06:58.060 there really is no historical, theological, biblical basis for that.

00:07:02.280 Okay, put a pause here, put a pause here. So he starts out and look, you know, I love my Southern

00:07:08.800 Baptist friends. Southern Baptists have been great recently on the IVF issue. You know, I have a

00:07:12.340 Baptist grandpa, but to say, hey, hey, the Southern Baptists supported killing babies or at least 0.99

00:07:19.640 tolerated killing babies. That's not, that's not a great argument. That's a criticism of Southern 0.96

00:07:24.840 Baptists. But he says, there's no ancient support for a Christian proscription on killing babies.

00:07:33.140 How ancient do you think the Southern Baptists are? That's your example. You know, that ancient

00:07:39.260 sect, but way back in antiquity, there were all sorts of rival claimants to Christianity. The

00:07:44.840 Marcionites, the Gnostics, the Donatists, the Docetists, the Southern Baptists, the Catholics. 0.98

00:07:52.580 Well, I don't think so. But we, we do have sources from antiquity on this issue of abortion, even just

00:08:00.580 that. The oldest catechism that we have coming from what, the second or third century, the Didache

00:08:08.160 prohibits abortion. This is the, this is the oldest text of Christian teaching, how to be a Christian,

00:08:17.080 how to live a Christian life that we have. We also see Christian sexual morality affirmed all the,

00:08:26.940 all the way back, even before year zero, even before the incarnation. Scripture could, could not

00:08:34.400 be more clear on this issue in Leviticus, in Exodus, in the Pauline epistles that, you know, the stuff

00:08:42.280 that the fellows like doing on the Democrat side now, you're really not supposed to do that. But,

00:08:46.940 but what would he have us say? Would he say, well, you have to ignore all of the books of the Old

00:08:51.700 Testament. You have to ignore the letters of St. Paul because Christ didn't say them himself. Well,

00:08:57.020 you know what he did say? He said that he comes not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.

00:09:02.060 You know what he does say on the road to Emmaus? He opens up all of the scripture to the people who

00:09:07.820 are walking with him. You know what he does say? He says he won't change a jot or a tittle,

00:09:12.820 not until all is fulfilled. So even from within his own argument, which is sus and extremely

00:09:18.740 circumscribed, even there, he's contradicting himself. Because when, when push comes to shove,

00:09:25.820 he cares more about killing babies and doing weird stuff with dudes than he cares about the faith. 0.91

00:09:30.140 Then he cares about God. So he's trying to talk himself out of this. He keeps going. 0.99

00:09:35.520 Well, theological, biblical basis for that opinion.

00:09:38.500 Well, when was abortion even invented?

00:09:41.500 Well, there was certainly abortions in the ancient world. There, there is some,

00:09:44.440 well, there's some, there's, and again, I haven't stated this enough to, to say this definitively,

00:09:50.060 but there are interpretations of certain passages from the Torah where some folks will even say that

00:09:56.740 there is a, there is some subtle instructions for how to perform an abortion in the ancient world,

00:10:03.340 certain things to drink, things like that. The point is that this idea that there is a set.

00:10:10.720 So everything he says, it just gets you so tangled up because he says, notice how vague he's being.

00:10:17.160 He says, well, I mean, abortion's been around forever, right? You know how we know that?

00:10:22.140 Because Christianity immediately prohibits it. It's prohibited in scripture, thou shalt not kill,

00:10:28.840 thou shalt not commit murder. But also we can just see in the practice of the church,

00:10:33.320 the church immediately affirms you are not to have an abortion, full stop. So what he,

00:10:39.020 what he is left with to defend his indefensible view is, well, there are, there are interpretations

00:10:45.240 of certain parts of the Bible, which I, the parts of the Bible that I just told you to ignore five

00:10:51.000 seconds ago, but now, now because it's convenient to me, I'll cite them. There are interpretations

00:10:54.960 that some people think encourage abortion. Oh yeah, there are interpretations. Well, yeah,

00:11:03.620 I mean, I couldn't, I can interpret just about anything. However I please, the question is,

00:11:08.080 are those interpretations reliable? On what basis, on what authority are you making those

00:11:13.720 interpretations? Previously, you were citing the Southern Baptist Convention as the ultimate

00:11:18.700 religious authority, but you're not, you're not really doing that because you're contradicting

00:11:22.520 the Southern Baptist Convention when it's, when it's convenient to you. Then you're citing what?

00:11:29.820 You're just citing yourself and your own whims. And this is when it gets really, really heretical.

00:11:35.520 There is a set Christian orthodoxy on the issue of abortion. It's just not rooted in scripture.

00:11:42.860 So there's the, there's the problem. And I'll move on from this guy in a second. But what he's

00:11:49.320 saying is, is showing you not just the problem Democrats have right now, which is as the politics

00:11:55.960 becomes more religious and specifically more Christian and specifically more traditionally

00:11:59.720 Christian again, the Democrats are, are on the back foot because they don't know how to talk that

00:12:04.280 way. Just like conservatives have a hard time speaking in secular liberal terms,

00:12:08.100 left-wingers have a hard time speaking in religious terms. So this guy is going to try to

00:12:13.120 take his chance to be the, he's going to be the religious voice for the left. But he's not only

00:12:19.360 wrong in substance, he's also missing the point. He says the notion that there's some Christian

00:12:25.140 orthodoxy in, on abortion is just not there in scripture.

00:12:29.180 So the, what, what God says about abortion and killing babies is I think clear enough from

00:12:39.040 scripture, but orthodoxy is true teaching and true teaching cannot really ultimately be determined

00:12:49.300 from within the Bible, from within the text. It's teaching. So you are relying on some kind of

00:12:55.980 authority. Orthodoxy relates to when you have a text, when you have something to teach and there

00:13:04.300 are right ways to interpret it and wrong ways to interpret it. So the only way to resolve orthodoxy

00:13:09.720 is to have a way to interpret it, which in this case obviously has to come from outside of the Bible.

00:13:18.780 Knowing what books are in the Bible has to come from outside of the Bible because the Bible doesn't

00:13:22.560 tell you. The Bible is made by a church. When, when our Lord creates the church, he gives authority, 0.96

00:13:30.140 interpretive authority and other authority to a man named St. Peter. And he breathes the Holy Spirit

00:13:37.340 on the apostles and he gives them certain powers and authorities and he gives them a great commission.

00:13:41.480 And this guy doesn't want to accept that, but, but it's not just about him. I mean, this, he's a

00:13:46.520 complete joke, complete joke. He goes on in this interview. It's so horrifying. He goes on to say

00:13:53.580 that the blessed mother, the Virgin Mary, what was so beautiful about the annunciation, I kid you,

00:14:00.780 I don't, I'm not even going to play it on my show. What was so beautiful about the annunciation

00:14:04.720 is that she could have aborted Christ. He goes on to, I'm not playing it on the show. I'll tell you

00:14:12.680 what he said. I don't need to give him air time for that. Crazy stuff. Great, crazy. But where does

00:14:19.520 he get it from? He gets it from Pope, Pope Tallarico. And, and I guess this is the broader

00:14:26.840 issue, even beyond the religious questions that are coming up in politics. This is the bigger issue

00:14:30.880 for our politics. Sometimes Catholics get criticized because we follow the Pope and there's, that's a

00:14:35.960 whole separate conversation. But the, the alternative to having a Pope is not not having

00:14:42.840 a Pope. The alternative to having a Pope is having every man be his own Pope. Either having some random

00:14:51.020 church have the authority and claim the authority of the Pope, or just having every individual claim

00:14:55.440 it. So it's not that this guy doesn't have a Pope. This guy has just made himself the Pope. It's

00:15:00.520 actually worse because the Pope's power is, is limited. The Pope can't just go about and do

00:15:05.640 whatever he wants and claim whatever he says is totally infallible. This guy is not just making

00:15:10.160 himself the Pope. He's making himself the Pope and the church fathers and all the ecumenical councils

00:15:15.280 for 2000 years, all in one. That's what he's claiming. You can't even really argue with him

00:15:20.300 because if you were to debate him and say, no, no, here's what the Didache said. Here's what the

00:15:24.600 council of Ephesus said. Here's what the council of Rome said. Here's what this council said. Here's what

00:15:28.180 this. Here's what Tertullian said. Here's what Thomas Aquinas said. Here's what, here's how the,

00:15:31.780 he would say, yeah, yeah, but no, they got it wrong. And I got it right. This guy, I don't even,

00:15:37.120 I think he's a Presbyterian of some sort. Apologies to the Presbyterians who are listening that you have

00:15:41.620 to associate with this man. I think he started out as a Baptist. You can't really argue with him

00:15:46.160 because his problem is epistemological. And this is our, our problem is epistemological.

00:15:52.540 And a lot of our confusion these days is epistemological. Can we trust the experts?

00:15:58.560 Can we trust the government? Can we trust, can we trust anyone to tell us what a man or a woman is?

00:16:02.840 Can we trust our neighbors? Can we trust this group or that group? Can we can't, we don't know

00:16:07.540 what to trust. We don't have any, any sense of authority anymore. And this isn't just a problem

00:16:13.760 of our time that the elites are all lying to us. There's some of that too, but this is a consequence

00:16:18.640 and a cause of liberalism. Liberalism, which ultimately seeks the maximal autonomy for the

00:16:25.140 individual. So you take down the Pope, you say, all right, great. What's the, you take down one Pope,

00:16:31.180 8 billion Popes rise up in his place. Except you don't have unity. You don't have authority. You

00:16:36.700 don't have real authority. You just have this wacko going on, speaking about hideously blasphemous 0.91

00:16:42.940 things. And broadly, just really ridiculous things, making himself look ridiculous. 1.00

00:16:49.380 Ultimately, this is an epistemological crisis. This is not going to work out well for Democrats, 0.88

00:16:54.480 but they can, they can send this guy on. If I didn't, if I didn't so hate the sacrilege that

00:16:58.380 he engages in, I would say, send this guy, make him the face of the Democrats. Democrats right now,

00:17:02.960 they're, they got some bad faces right now. The faces of the Democrats, this guy, Zoran Mamdani,

00:17:08.300 and their, their biggest one, who we'll get to in just a moment, Hunter Biden. Hold on one second.

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00:18:28.000 the Israeli embassy in the U.S. is warning of anti-Semitism. And it's not just a kind of broad,

00:18:33.280 vague anti-Semitism. It's not just a sort of way to shut down debate or anything. They're pointing

00:18:40.080 to real examples. And it would be hard for someone to watch this example at least and dispute what

00:18:46.000 the Israelis are saying. This is from the Fresh and Fit podcast. What do you guys think about Hitler?

00:18:52.100 What if the Jewish did something to the Germans that made them act a certain way, but nobody wants 0.99

00:18:59.860 to talk about it. Like the Jews don't want to take accountability. Yes. I'm with you on that one. 1.00

00:19:06.940 Okay. That's why, that's why, like, that was up to something. So the Germans wanted to take them 0.95

00:19:12.180 out. Like payback. It had to be something, like Germans wanted to take them out, all of them out. 1.00

00:19:16.680 The Holocaust was the only way he can take out a huge population, like a huge amount of Jews all in 1.00

00:19:26.380 one setting. But I already know what's going on. Like, I'm not dumb. Like, I know, like, the Jews did 1.00

00:19:31.860 something. That's why they sent up here. They're trying to take back, like, they're trying to take

00:19:35.720 back and get repercussions, especially from America, like from Americans. So they're taking over the 0.95

00:19:40.880 government and stuff like that. I'm telling you, how do we take them down? How do we take them down?

00:19:46.020 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I hate to say it. My bad, y'all. My bad. All right. Not exactly a televised

00:19:57.440 Mensa meeting, but you get the picture. You get this guy who is, what do you think about Hitler? And

00:20:04.060 then the girl says, I like Hitler. And he goes, yeah. And she's like, yeah, the Holocaust is fine or 0.77

00:20:10.160 whatever. Yeah. And then we say, what are we going to do about those dastardly Jews? And the girl 1.00

00:20:15.580 says, we got to kill them all. She said that and they say, yeah. And that's so, you know, 1.00

00:20:22.320 I have plenty of disagreements with the Israeli government over a number of matters, but I get 1.00

00:20:26.700 why they are a little concerned about this. It's a very popular podcast. However, one thing that people

00:20:32.840 are arguing is that this is something new. And I don't think this is really new. This kind of talk,

00:20:39.000 is straight out of Malcolm X. Malcolm X was saying the same kind of stuff, even more recently than

00:20:44.220 Malcolm X. You had Jesse Jackson. You remember him in the nineties, Jesse Jackson, race hustler,

00:20:49.200 black guy in New York. He would, he called New York Hymie town, I think. I shouldn't laugh, 1.00

00:20:56.520 but he's, you know, it's, it seems so quaint these days. Al Sharpton, same thing. Al Sharpton started a

00:21:01.980 race riot with the Jews. So I think, I think he also used the word Hymie. I think he said,

00:21:06.420 come get me Hymie or something like that. So that's not new. There, there has been a hostility

00:21:13.800 to Jews, especially pronounced among prominent black people in recent decades. That's been going 0.99

00:21:21.160 on for a while. The thing that is new is this previously was almost entirely on the left.

00:21:28.040 Malcolm X, kind of a, I guess you wouldn't, he's not like a hippie or anything, but he was a left-wing

00:21:32.240 figure, certainly Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, left-wing figures. Now you're seeing it creep

00:21:37.240 a little bit on the right. It's pretty minor. It's more pronounced on social media, obviously,

00:21:42.320 but it's a little, it's relatively minor on the right, but it's there. And I, I think a lot of

00:21:47.840 people are missing the point of how that happens though. And I really hate to say, I told you so on

00:21:52.500 this. I did call this, I've called this for years where you're seeing it crop up mostly is on the

00:22:00.500 irreligious right. Mostly guys who are not, I don't know the guys on that show. I don't think 1.00

00:22:06.300 they're showing up to church on Sunday and they're in their Sunday best with their ties all done. I

00:22:11.220 don't, I don't think they're doing a lot of corporal or spiritual works of mercy. Don't think

00:22:15.940 they avail themselves of that. I don't think they're very religious. And I've said for years

00:22:20.820 while the, this is for at least 10 years now, as religion was beginning to enter back into American

00:22:27.060 politics, you heard these phrases, Christian nationalism, we're a Christian country. We need

00:22:32.280 a great awakening or we need a reconquest of the Protestant churches, or you're especially seeing a

00:22:38.040 mass conversion to Catholicism. And a lot of the libs were screaming about this, whining about this.

00:22:44.420 They hated it. This is terrible. I, I hate Christian nationalism. And I said, if you think

00:22:51.660 Christian nationalism's bad, just wait till you see unchristian nationalism. You think the religious 1.00

00:22:57.380 right is bad? Wait till you see the irreligious right. You're really going to hate that. And I like 1.00

00:23:02.280 the religious right. And I like the Christian nation. I like Christian empire for that matter.

00:23:07.620 But if I were a lib, well, the left actually hates the Jews now too, much more clearly than the,

00:23:16.460 than the right does. But if I wanted to protect multiculturalism and tolerance and getting along

00:23:21.980 and all this, I would, I would not be going after the religious right. I'd be going after 0.95

00:23:27.060 the irreligious right if I were on the left. And I would, I might even make common cause with those

00:23:32.900 Christians. Turns out, turns out there, there were worse people in politics than Christians. 1.00

00:23:38.060 Now, speaking of the podcast circuit, Hunter Biden, he's back, baby. He's back. He's not holding back.

00:23:47.540 He did another podcast interview for some reason now. And this time he wasn't extolling the virtues

00:23:53.580 of crack as he did on the last show we were talking about him. But he has an analysis of what happened

00:24:00.160 in 2024. The Democrats, what are, what are we now? What are we going to be? Are we going to go,

00:24:04.600 are we going to be more religious? Are we going to be less religious? Are we going to be more woke?

00:24:07.940 Are we going to be more establishment? Are we, he's got an answer. Hold on one second. Wait a minute.

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00:25:43.680 an advisor free of charge. My favorite comment yesterday is from Razzy P. Razzy P says,

00:25:50.600 it's not nice language, but I think this is about the First Lady of France. It says,

00:25:56.800 didn't that nasty bat groom a 14-year-old? I'd say that part is a bit more concerning. Okay, 1.00

00:26:01.840 is that bat? Does one call a woman a bat? I don't know that I've heard that before. Dingbat,

00:26:05.820 I've heard. Okay, anyway. Yeah, to me, that's also part of the reason that I think it would be hard

00:26:13.720 for the President and First Lady of France to prove actual malice here is there is a lot of weird sex

00:26:20.740 stuff around the case. A woman was 39 when she first got together with this 15-year-old kid,

00:26:30.380 right? Maybe a 14-year-old kid. I don't know. That's weird. Now, the French have always been 1.00

00:26:34.940 into very freaky sex stuff. So that's, I mean, the Marquis de Sade does come from somewhere. But 0.80

00:26:38.640 anyway, that's just another wrinkle in there. I agree, though. That to me is much more concerning

00:26:43.780 than any suggestion that she's a fellow. Okay, Hunter Biden is on the podcast. Speaking of a guy who

00:26:50.700 knows a lot about weird sex, Hunter Biden is on the podcast circuit. He's on some show called

00:26:56.220 At Our Table. And he has a theory as to why the Democrats lost in 2024.

00:27:03.380 I will tell you why we lost the last election. We lost the last election because we did not remain

00:27:10.660 loyal to the leader of the party. That's my position. We had the advantage of incumbency.

00:27:15.500 We had the advantage of an incredibly successful administration. And the Democratic Party

00:27:21.500 literally melted down. Yeah. I think he's about 75% right. People are going to disagree. They're

00:27:30.380 going to say it's great. No, there's no way. They had to try to switch him out. No, you almost,

00:27:36.200 if you're swapping out an incumbent, you're just giving up the game. Joe Biden drooling on his shirt

00:27:42.540 would have been a much better candidate than Kamala Harris. I think he's right about that. So

00:27:46.040 Hunter is giving good analysis, which is leading some libs to say that this man,

00:27:53.520 if they're not going to make that weird, heretical freak from Texas, the face of the Democrat party, 0.99

00:27:59.180 they're going to make Hunter Biden, the man who can shine on Rogan. That's the headline. That's

00:28:05.300 the headline from The Atlantic. Finally, a Democrat who could shine on Joe Rogan's show. Hunter Biden is

00:28:11.740 unrepentant. It was during last year's presidential campaign, Donald Trump's interviews with Rogan,

00:28:17.540 Theo Vaughn, and Logan Paul resonated with many young men. I can imagine that same audience watching

00:28:22.340 Hunter tell Callahan about his crack addiction and thinking, give this guy a break.

00:28:31.500 Great. Great. Either one, pick either one. You can, the guy in Texas or Hunter Biden,

00:28:36.420 either of them can be the, or David Hogg. Remember him? He was going to lead the Democrat party.

00:28:40.020 One of the five least likable Democrats in the entire country. He was going to lead.

00:28:45.000 They wised up and kicked him out of the party, kicked him out of the leadership.

00:28:48.080 But still, they are really scraping the bottom. I love that this is the criterion. They say,

00:28:53.220 well, who can hang on Rogan? Kamala couldn't hang on Rogan. Joe Biden couldn't understand what

00:28:56.980 Joe Rogan was saying. Who's our guy who can hang on Rogan? Hunter Biden. And I bet that's true.

00:29:02.480 I bet Hunter could hang on Rogan, no doubt about it. But think about why.

00:29:07.700 The reason that President Trump and J.D. Vance were able to hang on Rogan and their episodes

00:29:14.460 were very, very successful and they came off great is because the whole time they were sitting

00:29:18.700 there with Joe and they were saying, you know, this Democrat establishment, this liberal establishment 0.98

00:29:24.220 is freaking corrupt. It is corrupt. This whole thing, the uniparty, it's corrupt and we're fighting 0.99

00:29:30.240 against it. That's why they can hang on Rogan. The voice of the median voter, a man who comes at

00:29:36.560 politics from an outside perspective, this Democrat establishment is rough. And the funniest part is

00:29:42.860 the reason everyone's saying Hunter would be great on Rogan now is because he's saying the exact same

00:29:47.940 thing. The Trump and Vance go on, they say these Democrats, these elites, these, the uniparty guys,

00:29:54.780 they're frauds. And then Hunter goes on the crack podcast and goes on whatever this podcast was.

00:30:00.140 He sits down and he says, hey, we're frauds. Our party, we're frauds. We're stupid. We robbed my 0.92

00:30:05.880 dad of the nomination. We shot ourselves in the foot. We have no idea what we're doing. We're totally

00:30:11.000 incompetent. And we smoke and we're crackheads. And the best of us, the best of us, the most incisive 0.99

00:30:19.560 figures in the Democrat party are literal crackheads. Wow. Did not, did not see this implosion of what was

00:30:30.580 once the main American political party happening. Now we turn from the, the future leaders of the

00:30:36.880 left to the bright, the bright young figures on the right. J.D. Vance comes out swinging against not

00:30:43.000 just illegal immigration, not just face tattooed gangsters. He comes out swinging against legal

00:30:49.420 residents who are brought into America to work. He comes out against H-1Bs. 0.85

00:30:55.240 A massive shortage of these jobs. And by the way, you see some big tech companies where they'll lay off

00:31:00.720 9,000 workers and then they'll apply for a bunch of overseas visas. And I sort of wonder my,

00:31:07.080 that doesn't totally make sense to me. The math doesn't.

00:31:09.480 That, that displacement and that math worries me a bit. And what the president has said,

00:31:12.920 he said very clearly, we want the very best and the brightest to make America their home. We want

00:31:17.480 them to build great companies and so forth. But I don't want companies to fire 9,000 American workers

00:31:24.440 and then to go and say, we can't find workers here in America. That's a story.

00:31:29.240 What did Microsoft say when you brought that up with Microsoft?

00:31:32.960 I have, I, it's interesting.

00:31:34.500 Have you talked to them about it?

00:31:35.500 I have, I have not. I just became aware of this a couple of weeks ago. Somebody sent me

00:31:38.900 an article about this and they said, well, you know, and it maybe was Microsoft.

00:31:42.360 It was Microsoft.

00:31:42.880 It was Microsoft.

00:31:43.200 That fired, I think, 9,000 people. And then I was like, wait a second.

00:31:47.600 Record profits, record market cap.

00:31:49.880 And, but also saying they're, they're desperate for workers. So I have not yet had that conversation

00:31:53.600 with Microsoft. In my defense, I just found out.

00:31:55.700 It's great. It's great. He's, he's taken names. He's focused on this real issue.

00:32:01.880 This way of talking about migration is the future of the right.

00:32:05.020 10 years ago, the debate was, do we want to flood the country with legal immigrants or

00:32:09.080 do we want to flood the country with legal and illegal immigrants? 1.00

00:32:12.820 Now the conversation is no illegal immigrants, maybe no legal immigrants.

00:32:18.120 And we got to be real precise, even about high value foreign workers.

00:32:21.420 And it's for a number of reasons, social solidarity, maintaining a traditional culture,

00:32:28.320 but also workers' rights. So then Republicans become the party of workers' rights. Meanwhile,

00:32:33.100 Democrats are saying we're going to suppress wages. We're going to flood the country with

00:32:35.980 foreigners. Forget about the common guy. This is why the Teamsters didn't endorse the 1.00

00:32:41.260 Democrats. It's shocking that the Teamsters wouldn't endorse the Democrats, but maybe not so

00:32:44.760 shocking when you see this shift. That's the future of the right. If the right is to have a

00:32:48.100 future, that's where it lands. So the Republicans have a pretty good vision of where they want to

00:32:53.780 go, how they're going to navigate this moment. Democrats torn between an extreme heretic and a

00:33:01.240 crackhead. Speaking of, we're talking about technology here, really dubious technology.

00:33:05.880 I have to get to it briefly at least. There's a new hellscape technology coming to a community near

00:33:14.240 you, is glasses called Waves. Camera glasses for creators. Do we have a video of this?

00:33:21.920 This is it. This is the spot.

00:33:30.960 Clip saved. Got that clip. Filming everything.

00:33:35.520 Drinking beer.

00:33:44.160 Giving someone a high five.

00:33:47.040 Got to save the clips. We got to record it.

00:33:50.960 I'm smoking a cigarette. This is good content.

00:33:54.640 Wrong room.

00:33:55.200 Hey, my buddy. He's wearing a funny costume. Content.

00:33:59.280 Hey, people playing poker.

00:34:02.020 Okay, I've had enough of this. I've had enough of the content. No more content.

00:34:08.780 Introducing Waves. They write camera glasses for creators. Record in stealth.

00:34:13.500 Record in stealth. We used to complain about a surveillance state, Big Brother. Now we say,

00:34:16.940 oh, how great is this? We have a surveillance state with Big Brother. Record in stealth.

00:34:21.220 Livestream all day. To me, that's actually worse than the recording in stealth. The live streaming

00:34:25.260 all day. Pre-order now. I know I've been part of this. I know I've contributed to this issue

00:34:30.260 because I put out a lot of content on the internet and I stream or whatever.

00:34:36.380 I am calling for a complete and total shutdown of all content until we figure out what's going on.

00:34:44.180 We have too much content. There's too much. Stop the content. We used to have television shows,

00:34:51.660 movies, books, symphonies, operas. Now we don't. We don't have any of that. No one goes to that.

00:34:57.540 No one sees it. We have content. Slop content. I'm reminded of a line from Chesterton. I'll adapt

00:35:08.680 it to the modern age. The world will never starve for want of content, but for want of contentedness.

00:35:18.040 You think about that? Chesterton said, the world will never starve for want of wonders,

00:35:22.820 but for want of wonder. I think something's happening here too. Why do I want to watch some

00:35:28.820 20-year-old smoke a cigarette? I don't need more content. I know why people want it though,

00:35:39.360 because they're not actually doing any of that stuff. They don't have a social life.

00:35:43.960 They don't have a robust private life that gives them actual enjoyment.

00:35:49.220 So they have to consume other people's social lives as a parasocial relationship,

00:35:54.040 or at best, they get invited to the beer pong party or whatever, and rather than just enjoy that,

00:36:02.660 they have to monetize it. They have to commoditize it. They have to broadcast it. It's all content.

00:36:07.940 And you don't need, there's a role for content, about 44 minutes a day. That's good content.

00:36:14.880 The rest, you can live your life and you can be content.

00:36:20.380 Now, before we turn off all the content, there is one movie you should see.

00:36:24.640 You ever see a guy fight like his life depends on it? Because it actually did. Joe Pfeiffer did not

00:36:29.200 just beat the odds, he beat the heck out of them. Here's a look at Journey to the UFC.

00:36:33.440 I don't care what you did in your career the last five years. What are you going to do tonight?

00:36:38.340 Be fired up to fight. Try to finish the fight. If you want to get into the UFC and this is where

00:36:43.180 you want to be, be Joe Pfeiffer. Pfeiffer left home at 16. He spent the next few years homeless,

00:36:49.300 bouncing around. The pain that I know that kid went through and overcame, if you want to beat

00:36:53.880 him, you got to kill him. The second you lose, everybody forgets you. I wasn't ready to be forgotten. 1.00

00:37:03.440 That's Journey to the UFC, the Joe Pfeiffer story. Watch the premiere now only on DailyWire Plus

00:37:08.940 at dailywire.com. Finally, finally, we've arrived at my favorite time of the week when I get to hear

00:37:13.700 from you in the mailbag. This mailbag is sponsored by PureTalk. Go to puretalk.com slash Knowles. Get

00:37:18.200 your free phone today. I spoke too long in the earlier segments. I've missed you all being out of

00:37:22.280 studio. And so I'm going to fly through this mailbag so I get to all the questions.

00:37:27.260 Hey, Michael, I was just wondering what you think the acceptable age range is for a relationship.

00:37:32.560 As an example, I just asked a woman out who was 11 years older than me. Do you think that's too

00:37:39.380 much? Should I look for someone a little closer to me in age? Thanks for taking my question.

00:37:45.600 Good question. It depends on how old you are and what you want to do. If you are 30 and want to

00:37:52.260 have kids, you should not date the woman who's 11 years older than you. If you're 20, she's 31. That's 0.98

00:37:58.060 a bit of an odd age gap. I don't know. I mean, stranger things have happened, but the purpose

00:38:05.340 of marriage is to have kids. Not everyone gets to have kids. People suffer infertility. It's a

00:38:09.360 fallen world. But marriage is ordered toward having kids. So a guy can marry a girl 11 years 0.57

00:38:15.900 younger, no problem. Might make having kids easier. If a guy marries a girl who's 11 years 0.96

00:38:20.080 older, it's going to make it harder. I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm not saying there

00:38:22.800 aren't arguments for it, but that is something to take into account. I wouldn't go much older

00:38:28.260 than that, 11 years older. I definitely wouldn't marry someone who's 25 years older than you 0.98

00:38:32.700 and was your French teacher. Don't do that. Next one.

00:38:36.580 Hey, Michael. I have a question about men's style when taking a woman out, particularly on 1.00

00:38:43.140 a first date. How much in the modern world is too much? You know, probably dressing up in

00:38:50.840 a full three-piece suit on a first date would come across as overkill to most women. 1.00

00:38:56.760 But on the other hand, showing up in a t-shirt and shorts is definitely underkill. So where's

00:39:03.960 the nice balance for modern guys to look like they take care of themselves and have class,

00:39:09.380 but not look too self-obsessed or just sloppy and lazy? On a similar note, there seems to be

00:39:17.460 a debate among young guys and girls today as to whether or not it's okay for guys to wear

00:39:24.560 chains, just like a generic decorative chain. And I would love your take on the subject. Thanks.

00:39:33.940 Great, great questions. On the chain issue, if you are Italian, you are allowed to wear one chain. I

00:39:41.680 would encourage you to keep it tasteful and ideally underneath the shirt. I know some of my fellow

00:39:47.820 guides like to have the big fat chains over that don't. Otherwise, just avoid it. Just avoid it.

00:39:54.380 I used to wear a chain, sometimes with a crucifix, sometimes with a little cornicello as a little

00:39:57.600 boy, eight years old. But I would avoid it. In terms of what you wear on a date, I really don't

00:40:03.820 think a grown man should go in public without a collar on, at least a polo shirt, maybe a button

00:40:07.840 shirt. Some people disagree. Look, if you're going to work out, if you're going to go, I don't know,

00:40:12.240 cut down trees, you're going to go fishing. I'm not saying you have to wear a collar necessarily for

00:40:15.240 that, though I probably would, but I wouldn't do a lot of those things. In any case, you should have

00:40:20.360 that already. You don't need to wear a three-piece suit. You don't need to look like a total weirdo.

00:40:24.260 It depends how old you are, too. If you're 21, you're going out with a girl, you can wear a shirt, 0.53

00:40:30.240 like a shirt rolled up sleeves, maybe a button-down collar, a shirt that buttons, not a t-shirt or anything.

00:40:37.840 I don't know, maybe chinos, even jeans, probably okay. You should wear shoes that are not running

00:40:45.180 shoes, but that's fine. You don't need to. Now, if you're older, you're 30, 35, going out to dinner,

00:40:50.900 I would not go to dinner probably without a jacket on to most places. Maybe if it's really

00:40:55.800 like a lower-end place or maybe a sweater, but even that, I would, you know, just,

00:41:01.880 you've got to live within your society, but you've got to dress for the job you want. Dress for the

00:41:07.080 girl you want. Dress for the lifestyle you want. Don't, don't LARP about it. Don't, you know,

00:41:13.880 don't show up wearing like crusader chain mail and like you're going to, you say, I'm a real 0.92

00:41:18.460 hardcore traddy, you know, I'm going to go kill the Saracens or something. Don't do that. 0.87

00:41:22.580 Have it be within reason, but have it, it's got to look good. It'll look good, okay? It's about,

00:41:27.800 you're going on a date. You want to attract a girl. Okay, next one.

00:41:29.780 Hey, Michael, I know that you and your wife have boys, but I'm curious, are you ever going to have

00:41:37.200 any girls? Yeah, I'd like to. The problem is I'm not capable of producing one. I'm too virile. I'm

00:41:47.260 too teeming with testosterone and, and manliness. So I've not been able to, I would like one because

00:41:54.740 I don't want to be shoved in a home in my old age. And I want, so I might, do you think the boys are

00:41:58.640 going to take care of me? I need a daughter to help me. And I think it'd be nice. I need a daughter,

00:42:05.120 obviously, if I want to grant criminals favors on, on her wedding. And so I want one, but I guess it's

00:42:13.380 just the T levels are too high. I don't, we need a cure. We need a cure for me producing so many men.

00:42:23.360 Next question.

00:42:24.040 Hi, Michael. I was thinking about the methods of our justice system. And I was wondering,

00:42:29.380 do you think corporal punishment is justifiable for some crimes? Singapore tends to cane their

00:42:34.900 criminals as a deterrent. What are your thoughts? Thank you.

00:42:38.660 Yeah, that's a good idea. I mean, I would stop short of, you know, chopping people's hands off

00:42:42.240 like they do in Afghanistan or whatever, Africa. But, but yeah, I think a little corporal punishment's 0.69

00:42:46.760 okay. Really the way we would do it in a, in a more civilized way is we would, we would do what we

00:42:52.860 used to do in this country, which is hard labor. So you make, you make the criminals turn big rocks

00:42:57.620 into small rocks. That's, that's what we would do rather than actually flogging them constantly.

00:43:01.980 You could do that too. I see no problem with it. And in many ways, it's much more humane to do that

00:43:06.440 and better for the person than to just let them languish in some dirty cell for 30 years.

00:43:12.240 Instead of that, how about we just go, you know, give them a bunch of floggings and, or have them,

00:43:18.440 you know, do hard labor for five years. If you, if you told me I could either languish in a cell for

00:43:23.540 30 years for some crime or, or do very strenuous hard labor for five years, that's not even a

00:43:28.900 question. Time, time is very important. Okay. That, look at that. I flew through the questions

00:43:35.420 because I know I was short on time. I'm going to even try to get through one of the written

00:43:37.800 mailbags. Let's see. There's so many. I have so many. Where are my, where's my mailbag?

00:43:45.520 I don't see it. They didn't print out my mail, but these jerks, why didn't they print out my 0.99

00:43:49.920 mailbag? Okay. From River. Hello, Michael. I'm 16 and a big fan of the show. I'll be starting my 0.99

00:43:55.460 junior year this fall. My parents are really pushing me to go to college. I, on the other hand,

00:43:59.980 want to get my real estate license and start making money right out of high school. Hopefully enough to

00:44:03.640 afford a delicious Mayflower cigar. I attend a small classical Christian school. It's given me an

00:44:07.380 incredible education. And I don't think it makes sense to spend four more years and a ton of money

00:44:10.840 on a degree that in today's world often doesn't hold much value. What do you think I should do?

00:44:15.300 Thank you. The pendulum had swung so much in the direction, especially around the time that I

00:44:21.780 graduated. I think that was almost the all-time high. 70% of high school graduates went to college.

00:44:26.940 That was way crazy. Most of those people should not have gone to college with a huge waste.

00:44:31.740 We don't want the pendulum to swing too far in the other correction and over,

00:44:35.220 over-correct though. You know, a habit or rather a virtue is this nice happy medium between two

00:44:41.060 bad extremes. So it depends what you want. You say, okay, I can get a real estate license and sell

00:44:46.260 houses right now and make a bunch of money. That's true. Now you have to ask yourself,

00:44:50.420 is that what you want to do in 10 years? Is that what you want to do in 20 years?

00:44:54.020 Maybe it is. In which case, all right, there you go. Is that, is there a way to go from that

00:45:00.000 to some other thing you want to do without going to college? Okay, well then maybe that's a good

00:45:05.000 route. But are you not so sure about that? Are you not even aware maybe of the possibilities?

00:45:13.300 Are you, do you do well in school? Do you get good grades? Do you enjoy learning? Do you like books?

00:45:18.080 If so, there are some educational institutions that are still pretty, pretty good. Somewhere you

00:45:24.300 can get a true proper education. I think I just gave the commencement at Ave Maria University.

00:45:29.360 I think of Hillsdale College. I think of Thomas Aquinas College. I think of Franciscan. I think

00:45:34.580 there are, there are, there are more where you can go get a proper education. Even at some of the

00:45:40.180 brand name, you know, prestigious schools, formerly prestigious schools, in some cases, it's still

00:45:45.080 possible to get an education there. Maybe you want that. Maybe that's going to open your mind to

00:45:49.460 possibilities that you as a 17-year-old don't, or 18-year-old don't really know even exist.

00:45:55.060 Don't discount it immediately. Go, go in with a plan and make sure the plan doesn't just get you

00:46:01.400 through, hey, I'm going to make a hundred thousand dollars by the time I'm 23. Yeah, well, look,

00:46:06.240 that sounds great. But also think to 33, 43, 53, which 18-year-olds are not always great at. Okay,

00:46:13.340 today is Fake Headline Friday. The rest of the show continues now. You do not want to miss it.

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The Michael Knowles Show - July 25, 2025

Ep. 1779 - Dem Congressman Defends Aborting Christ on Joe Rogan

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