The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1794 - Trump's ＂HIGH STAKES＂ Meeting With Putin To End The WAR

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00:00:30.000 We'll get to President Trump's high-stakes meeting with Vladimir Putin

00:00:35.800 over the Russia war in Alaska today.

00:00:39.240 That is the big story, the potential end after 11 years of that war in Ukraine.

00:00:44.460 But first, a Republican member of Congress shares her thoughts with Joe Rogan

00:00:50.160 on how we develop some of the technology that allows us to wage those wars.

00:00:55.160 I think that some of the tech that exists, that whatever these things have,

00:01:02.020 these energy things have...

00:01:04.220 Energy things?

00:01:04.840 What do you mean?

00:01:05.360 Well, they call them interdimensional beings.

00:01:07.920 I think that they can actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have.

00:01:12.300 And that's not something that I came up with on my own.

00:01:16.200 That's based on stuff that we've seen.

00:01:18.160 That's based on information that we've been told.

00:01:21.580 And then also, too, I think that there's this historical aspect of, you know,

00:01:25.580 this gets into the deeper theories and concepts of religion

00:01:30.900 and I think the history that we currently know.

00:01:33.760 And that kind of spins off into another topic of, you know,

00:01:36.540 you have the modern-day Bible.

00:01:38.440 You have this aspect of books of the Bible that have been removed

00:01:42.040 that explain and kind of touch on these topics.

00:01:44.020 And I think that we're in a time and age where you have such a vast amount of information

00:01:50.620 that we have access to via social media, via your cell phone, via the Internet.

00:01:55.020 And so it's really changing the way that we understand, you know,

00:01:58.340 the origins of life and the spiritual reality that we know.

00:02:03.680 So in case you had trouble following that,

00:02:05.780 the claim from this ostensibly conservative member of Congress

00:02:10.020 is that the U.S. government develops technology

00:02:13.560 by reverse-engineering the spaceships of interdimensional extraterrestrial aliens,

00:02:19.220 the existence of which was hidden by the Council of Rome in the year 382,

00:02:24.100 but which has since come to light because now we have cell phones.

00:02:29.540 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:02:31.440 Welcome back to the show.

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00:02:58.460 Although judging by that clip, maybe we're all doing much harder drugs now.

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00:04:30.800 So I watched that clip.

00:04:32.240 You know, I hate to criticize Republicans in Congress or in the administration or anywhere,

00:04:38.920 but that clip, that one really got me because it touched on so many things that aren't true.

00:04:51.100 Like not just the aliens and the spaceships, but really, I guess what tipped me off was

00:04:57.180 this point she made about books of the Bible being removed.

00:05:01.940 Because it's true that people have removed books of the Bible over the years.

00:05:05.240 I don't think she's talking about Martin Luther and, you know, the book of Tobit or something.

00:05:10.140 I don't think we're talking about Ecclesiasticus here.

00:05:13.360 This sounds very Gnostic.

00:05:15.100 This sounds very New Age-y.

00:05:16.920 This sounds real hippy-dippy.

00:05:18.940 And just to make sure that I wasn't reading something into it that wasn't there,

00:05:22.960 I watched another clip where Congress Lady Anna Paulina Luna had this to say 0.96

00:05:30.180 about what she means about people taking books out of the Bible.

00:05:35.240 You know, why is it that you also have this aspect of, you know, a certain religion that

00:05:39.880 has been very controlled and I think rolled out in a certain aspect?

00:05:43.100 And, you know, when you have certain books that are removed because they don't think that

00:05:46.480 people should have access to this information or know it, you know, why remove a book from a Bible?

00:05:51.880 You have to really understand the history of the Bible to be able to figure out

00:05:55.880 what's legitimate, what's not, why they put it into the New Testament.

00:06:00.160 I had some very erroneous ideas about it until I talked to intelligent people that really

00:06:04.160 know the history of it.

00:06:05.800 And it's very strange stuff.

00:06:07.680 Well, so from what I gather, and by the way, I'm not a theologian in any capacity,

00:06:12.460 but just from my personal opinion on this.

00:06:14.360 So you have the Ethiopian Orthodox text, which has, I think, 88 books of the Bible in total.

00:06:21.240 But in the Ethiopian Orthodox text, it's basically kind of like a mainline OG version of the Bible.

00:06:27.780 And then sometime in the fourth century, there was actually a group that came together and

00:06:32.160 they removed certain books.

00:06:34.800 Okay.

00:06:35.360 All right.

00:06:36.040 Listen, I'm not a theologian, but I'm just going to say a bunch of stuff anyway.

00:06:40.620 Listen, I don't know anything that I'm talking about, but I'm going to just start talking.

00:06:44.120 Okay.

00:06:44.340 And I love Rogan here, and he says, yeah, have you considered talking to intelligent people

00:06:51.100 about this?

00:06:52.140 Have you, huh?

00:06:53.040 No, interesting.

00:06:53.920 No, I'm with you.

00:06:54.520 I'm going to let you finish.

00:06:55.380 But have you considered speaking to anyone who knows anything about this?

00:07:00.320 And you can tell that what she's talking about here is the Catholics. 0.88

00:07:04.020 She's taking a hit at Catholics. 1.00

00:07:05.120 She's saying there was a certain religion in antiquity, in the earliest years of the church,

00:07:12.800 a certain organization that was very controlled.

00:07:17.540 Huh?

00:07:18.280 I'm looking at you, you mackerel snappers. 1.00

00:07:20.320 I'm very controlled.

00:07:21.560 And they took books out of the Bible.

00:07:24.520 And so it's clear she's not referring to, say, Protestant revolutionaries later on, you

00:07:29.380 know, taking the deuterocanonical books and calling them apocrypha or taking them out

00:07:33.360 entirely or questioning the epistle of James or any of these things.

00:07:36.940 She's talking about the Gnostic texts, which is what all the new agey pro-alien people are 1.00

00:07:43.020 always talking about.

00:07:43.760 Hey, man, have you ever heard about the gospel of Thomas, man?

00:07:50.100 Yeah, man, they didn't put that one.

00:07:52.000 They took that one out of the Bible.

00:07:53.120 What does it mean they took it out of the Bible?

00:07:55.400 The canon of the Bible was not set until 382.

00:07:58.420 She says, well, the Ethiopians, some of the Ethiopians have a different canon of the Bible.

00:08:02.800 Okay, well, who died and made the Ethiopians pope?

00:08:05.740 Who cares?

00:08:06.680 I'm not listening.

00:08:07.680 It's interesting.

00:08:08.360 It's interesting to compare different canons.

00:08:10.600 But I don't even understand the argument that would impel this woman to say, well, yes,

00:08:16.480 the Ethiopians, they clearly are the infallible authority on what constitutes the canon of the 0.99

00:08:21.760 Bible compared to ecumenical councils many, many times over the years at Rome, Hippo, Carthage,

00:08:32.980 Florence, Trent.

00:08:34.480 Finally, Trent really just reiterates everything that we've been hearing since antiquity.

00:08:39.620 Those were ecumenical councils with bishops from all over the place.

00:08:43.860 She saw this group of people got together.

00:08:45.680 They took books out of the Bible.

00:08:46.700 There was no canon of the Bible until the canon was set.

00:08:51.580 And this is the other thing about the Gnostic texts that are all really weird and hippie

00:08:55.640 and new agey.

00:08:56.420 And a lot of people who are into this stuff cite them.

00:08:59.300 If you've ever read, I've read some of these books.

00:09:01.620 If you've ever read like the heretical gospel of Thomas or something like that, the one takeaway

00:09:06.180 you'll have is, you know, I think the church fathers, I think the ecumenical councils,

00:09:10.440 they probably got it right because these books were written much later.

00:09:13.240 They don't have good provenance. 0.98

00:09:15.380 They're ridiculous in most ways. 0.98

00:09:17.280 I think they probably got it right. 0.89

00:09:18.640 But also, just because something's not included in the canon of the Bible doesn't mean you can't

00:09:23.460 read it.

00:09:23.880 You can read it and judge for yourself and recognize why it's not in the canon of the Bible.

00:09:27.900 I mean, there are good books that are not in the canon of the Bible, like the Proto-Evangelium

00:09:30.280 of James, for instance. 0.98

00:09:31.520 But there are also stupid, ridiculous books that are not in the canon of the Bible, like a 0.99

00:09:35.460 bunch of Gnostic, Manichaean nonsense and heretical pseudo-gospels that were written 0.99

00:09:39.560 centuries after the fact.

00:09:41.640 All for what?

00:09:42.340 Because, man, because you don't understand, man, they've been covering up the alien spaceships

00:09:47.700 since the fourth century, man.

00:09:49.700 Good grief.

00:09:52.320 Not, I don't, I don't think that's the most plausible explanation for how we got drones.

00:09:56.680 I don't know.

00:09:57.180 Call me, call me crazy.

00:09:58.580 Now, speaking of tech and the technology we use to wage wars, President Trump today is

00:10:05.060 meeting with Vladimir Putin on American soil that used to be Russian soil in Alaska.

00:10:11.040 And the president, ever the showman, posts on Truth Social, high stakes.

00:10:17.140 All caps, three exclamation marks, exclamation points, I should say.

00:10:24.560 What's this meeting about?

00:10:26.520 Is this just going to be a sort of, they go, they don't resolve anything, the war doesn't

00:10:30.940 end?

00:10:31.240 Not quite, because the Trump administration is signaling something big could happen if

00:10:36.880 they don't come to a deal.

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00:12:01.120 Axios reporting that a senior U.S. official told them, quote,

00:12:05.760 This is Trump being the most serious he's ever been and the most direct.

00:12:09.100 He wants to show the world.

00:12:10.720 Now the onus is on Putin.

00:12:12.640 Agree to a ceasefire or show real movement or there will be severe repercussions.

00:12:17.240 Putin has to show very positive movement.

00:12:20.860 Trump Trump Trump is signaling that if the meeting goes well, then they'll have a follow up summit

00:12:27.100 that involves Zelensky.

00:12:29.200 And if it doesn't go well, according to Axios, quote, we are not going to have a second meeting.

00:12:35.580 So everyone's going to attack Trump.

00:12:37.260 The squishes and the hawks and the libs and the neocons and everyone's going to attack Trump.

00:12:43.420 He shouldn't be meeting with Putin.

00:12:45.180 He shouldn't meet on U.S. soil.

00:12:46.720 He shouldn't, he shouldn't, he shouldn't.

00:12:50.240 One observation.

00:12:53.080 Trump is one of the only people in the world who wants to end the war in Ukraine.

00:12:59.540 The Democrats don't want to end the war in Ukraine.

00:13:02.060 The establishment Republicans don't want to end the war in Ukraine.

00:13:06.100 Some don't want to end the war in Ukraine because they are pretending that Ukraine is some liberal

00:13:12.020 democracy utopia, which it obviously is not.

00:13:14.700 Some have better reasons because they say, well, Putin is the aggressor in this war and

00:13:18.660 we don't want to cede American influence and American hegemony.

00:13:24.320 Some are looking at it more cynically, but understandably from a grand strategic perspective

00:13:30.760 and saying, look, the Russians are bogged down in this war.

00:13:33.660 It's a meat grinder.

00:13:34.920 The cost of that meat grinder is killing a whole generation of Ukrainian men. 0.99

00:13:38.660 But the benefit will be that we're going to kill a whole generation of Russian men and 1.00

00:13:43.580 we'll degrade the Russian army. 0.99

00:13:45.360 Russia still has a lot of intercontinental ballistic missiles pointed at us.

00:13:48.900 Russia was our chief geopolitical adversary for most of the 20th century.

00:13:52.860 And so seems like a win-win, right?

00:13:56.320 Well, let's keep the war going. 1.00

00:13:57.500 The more Russians we can kill, the better. 1.00

00:13:58.980 That is the grand strategic argument that is being made implicitly and in some cases explicitly. 0.91

00:14:05.300 Trump is one of the only guys saying, we have to stop the bloodshed.

00:14:11.140 This war has gone on long enough.

00:14:12.740 This war has been going on for 11 years.

00:14:15.500 People forget because they only trace it back to the big invasion into Ukraine, which happened

00:14:21.200 after Trump left office when Biden was in office because Biden looked weak and essentially

00:14:26.020 invited Putin in.

00:14:26.960 But this doesn't only post-date the first Trump administration, it actually predates it because

00:14:33.160 Putin went into Crimea under Obama.

00:14:36.760 This goes back to 2014.

00:14:40.800 And there's all sorts of U.S. involvement in 2014.

00:14:43.780 There was the Maidan revolution.

00:14:45.380 The CIA would appear to have had some role, as it does in most geopolitical affairs.

00:14:50.560 So this goes on for a long time.

00:14:52.720 How much longer are we going to let it go on?

00:14:54.380 How many more people are going to die?

00:14:56.040 How long, from a strategic viewpoint, how long are we going to allow this regional war,

00:15:02.100 which is really a proxy war, to continue, thereby raising the risk of a global conflict

00:15:09.360 or even a nuclear conflict?

00:15:11.200 How long are we going to let that go on?

00:15:12.840 The meeting is between Trump and Putin.

00:15:15.360 Trump and Putin are the only two people who can end the war because it's not really a war

00:15:18.280 between Ukraine and Russia.

00:15:19.380 It's a war between the United States and Russia.

00:15:20.860 And the battlefield is Ukraine.

00:15:23.620 And Trump is saying, I want to wind this down.

00:15:26.000 I want to focus on other things.

00:15:27.200 I want to keep our powder dry.

00:15:28.540 I want the bloodshed to stop.

00:15:31.160 When people call him a tyrant and an authoritarian and this and that,

00:15:34.580 Trump is basically the only guy on earth who is not only calling for peace,

00:15:38.740 but actually trying to achieve peace.

00:15:40.480 That is a cause for reflection, whether you're on the Nobel Peace Prize Committee

00:15:46.420 or whether you're just an average Trump critic.

00:15:49.140 Okay.

00:15:49.760 Speaking of foreigners on our soil, Gavin Newsom.

00:15:53.540 This was delicious.

00:15:55.020 Gavin Newsom held a rally.

00:15:57.040 It wasn't really a rally.

00:15:58.160 The word rally is overstating it.

00:15:59.740 He got a handful of people into a room and he wants to run for president.

00:16:02.840 So he's dressed up in his best presidential looking suit and he's got his presidential

00:16:06.760 looking campaign behind him with signs that say, defend democracy.

00:16:10.720 It's not really a rally.

00:16:11.420 It's kind of a weak press conference.

00:16:13.140 Anyway, as he is speaking, right as the rally is going on,

00:16:19.960 Trump sends ICE in to arrest illegals who are all around the rally.

00:16:26.700 And right outside, at this exact moment, are dozens and dozens of ICE agents.

00:16:38.220 Donald Trump, you think it's coincidental?

00:16:44.180 Donald Trump and his minions, Tom Homan, tough guy,

00:16:50.180 clearly decided, coincidentally or not, that this was a location to advance ICE arrest.

00:16:56.040 Border patrol agents are making arrests, illegal immigrants.

00:16:59.720 I don't know if they were at this press conference, if they were in the area,

00:17:03.480 but this is a very, as John put it when we first saw this video, a very in-your-face way.

00:17:08.620 Yeah, it is in-your-face and the optics are brilliant.

00:17:11.860 The optics are brilliant here.

00:17:13.100 If I were Newsom, I would not have called attention to this.

00:17:15.720 One, because ICE is popular, the mass migrations are popular, 0.93

00:17:18.500 it won the popular vote in November.

00:17:19.720 But two, the implication is that the Democrat constituency is foreigners.

00:17:29.340 It's illegal aliens. 1.00

00:17:30.740 It's foreign criminals. 1.00

00:17:32.240 That's the insinuation. 0.79

00:17:34.900 Because Newsom can whine and complain and say,

00:17:37.580 you think the timing is coincidental?

00:17:39.560 Tom Homan, tough guy.

00:17:41.380 Yeah, he is a tough guy.

00:17:42.380 He looks tougher than you.

00:17:43.340 I wouldn't point that out.

00:17:45.020 That's not, you got to keep your mouth shut on some of these things.

00:17:47.580 That doesn't look good.

00:17:49.640 And then, but he keeps yapping.

00:17:50.720 And he says, he sent the ICE agents in and they're arresting illegals outside.

00:17:55.980 Why were they able to do that?

00:17:57.700 How were they able to do that?

00:17:59.680 They were able to do that because your state is teeming with illegal aliens. 0.99

00:18:04.880 Tom Homan could send a team in to basically any part of California at any hour of the day,

00:18:10.100 any day of the week.

00:18:10.920 And he would round up a lot of illegals.

00:18:12.760 Because you let them in.

00:18:15.880 And you continue to support them there.

00:18:18.100 And you do so cynically because you think it's going to give you an electoral permanent majority.

00:18:23.080 And the American people hate that.

00:18:25.260 This was shooting fish in a barrel.

00:18:28.060 And the fact that they could do this shows how terrible your leadership is.

00:18:33.900 And it shows how weak your constituency is.

00:18:36.220 This is a horrible look for Newsom. 0.99

00:18:38.240 You should keep your mouth shut, man. 0.98

00:18:41.060 If they're arresting the illegals all around you, don't call attention to it.

00:18:46.900 Unless Newsom's going to lean into being the far-left candidate that he was earlier in his career.

00:18:53.600 The guy who was officiating gay marriages when it was illegal in San Francisco.

00:18:58.220 That was the first part of his career.

00:18:59.740 But I thought Newsom was going to try to moderate now.

00:19:02.120 Remember?

00:19:02.720 He was going to become a podcast bro.

00:19:04.620 And he was going to become a debate me bro.

00:19:06.220 And he was going to ape the American right circa 2016. 0.59

00:19:09.680 And he was going to suck up to Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon. 0.81

00:19:12.120 Remember that? 0.53

00:19:13.140 What happened to that?

00:19:14.060 Well, that didn't play either.

00:19:15.920 Because that was going to lose him the primary. 0.90

00:19:18.980 But if he plays to the Democrat primary base and he sucks up to illegal alien criminals,

00:19:24.340 then he's going to lose the general.

00:19:26.560 And he is a talented politician.

00:19:29.060 But he is just running up against the Democrat problem right now,

00:19:33.960 which is that they have nowhere to turn.

00:19:36.060 Anything they do hurts them with the voters.

00:19:40.460 This is so terrible.

00:19:42.580 Outside of our rally, all of our supporters are getting rounded up because they're foreign criminals. 0.89

00:19:47.680 Oops.

00:19:48.520 Whoops.

00:19:49.340 Now, speaking of big conservative wins, this is a cultural win, but it's a win.

00:19:53.840 It's a win.

00:19:54.460 Beyond Meat is heading to bankruptcy.

00:19:58.860 Do you remember Beyond Meat?

00:20:00.600 This was a fad over the last 10 years during the rise of veganism and the environmental activism

00:20:08.820 and the climate change hysteria when the corporations and the political elites told us

00:20:14.360 that they were going to take away our meat, take away our hamburgers, take away our steaks,

00:20:17.500 and they were going to serve as these lab-grown, congealed, bizarre concoctions of vegetable pseudo-meat.

00:20:24.740 And they put it on the menu at fast food restaurants, and they tried to put it into grocery stores,

00:20:30.900 and Beyond Meat is now filing Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

00:20:35.960 Why?

00:20:36.640 Because there's no market for that.

00:20:38.760 And part of the shift is no one cares about climate change anymore.

00:20:42.780 That Democrat boogeyman just had diminishing marginal returns.

00:20:45.880 Even the Democrats don't talk about it really anymore.

00:20:47.920 So that's done.

00:20:50.140 And we no longer trust our scientific elites and public health officials because of COVID.

00:20:56.620 And the crunchies all moved to the right.

00:21:00.640 So now the real hippy-dippy, all-natural, anti-Monsanto, don't want the GMOs and the antibiotics.

00:21:06.700 They used to be on the left.

00:21:07.740 Now they're on the right.

00:21:08.560 And as a combination of all of those factors, the crunchies want natural.

00:21:16.740 They don't want the supposedly lab-grown health food.

00:21:20.540 They want natural.

00:21:22.560 And they want meat.

00:21:23.360 And we realize meat is good, and our bodies are made to eat meat.

00:21:25.940 And it's cool.

00:21:27.540 You're not going to destroy the world if you eat a hamburger.

00:21:29.640 So Beyond Meat headed to Chapter 11.

00:21:32.800 Sign of the times.

00:21:33.680 It's not just Beyond Meat.

00:21:35.560 There's a restaurant in New York that yuppies and fancy people and foodies, and they love it.

00:21:44.280 It's called Eleven Madison Park.

00:21:46.820 I've never eaten there.

00:21:49.060 The $500 tasting menus are not my things.

00:21:51.640 I like good stuff.

00:21:52.840 I'm a simple man.

00:21:53.520 I'm easily satisfied by the very best of everything.

00:21:55.500 But I'm a little more trad in my tastes.

00:21:57.960 If I'm in New York going to a restaurant, I want to go to a really good steakhouse or something.

00:22:01.540 I don't want to go to one of these fancy things where you get 15 plates, and it's got a little bit of seafoam on a sprig of arugula next to a dollop of salt water from the Himalayas.

00:22:14.700 That's not my thing.

00:22:16.400 But Eleven Madison Park is one of those places.

00:22:17.960 A lot of people love it.

00:22:19.480 Four years ago, Eleven Madison Park, one of the hottest restaurants in the world.

00:22:24.060 It was actually listed in 2017 as one of the world's 50 best restaurants.

00:22:28.980 It has three Michelin stars.

00:22:30.460 They decided they were going to go vegan.

00:22:33.500 They were going to take not just meat off the menu.

00:22:35.900 They were going to take dairy, eggs, everything.

00:22:39.360 And so they would serve up these course.

00:22:40.960 It would be a three-hour, a three-hour, nine-course prefix meal for $350 a head, starting at $350 a head.

00:22:49.080 One of the meals, according to reporting, I've never been there, included a beet, quote, cooked 18 ways and tasting like pretty much any other beet.

00:22:58.880 That's according to a review on Eater.com.

00:23:01.360 Even according to the New York Times, it tasted like lemon pledge and smells like a burger joint.

00:23:08.280 Oh, sorry, like a burning joint, like the Asian oregano, not even a burger joint. 0.89

00:23:13.160 That would actually smell pretty good.

00:23:15.520 The fancy, bougie restaurants are going back to meat.

00:23:18.980 Beyond Meat is headed to bankruptcy.

00:23:21.800 We won.

00:23:24.140 We won. 0.99

00:23:25.420 Trans is dead. 1.00

00:23:27.060 The Supreme Court might overrule so-called gay marriage. 0.83

00:23:30.760 Cindy Sweeney is selling jeans, just looking pretty. 0.94

00:23:33.980 And the vegans are ostracized.

00:23:38.600 Meat is coming back to 11 Madison Park.

00:23:41.160 Meat is coming back to meat companies.

00:23:43.580 We won.

00:23:44.520 We won.

00:23:46.700 We won.

00:23:48.340 We won the popular vote.

00:23:50.760 That was a sign of the times, and then it was a cause, and everything changed.

00:23:55.800 The left, it's not that the left is dead forever.

00:23:57.860 It's kind of lying dormant right now, or it's receding.

00:24:02.100 It could come back.

00:24:02.880 It will come back at some point.

00:24:03.800 But for right now, every single sign points to the right advancing. 0.98

00:24:09.800 So, of course, Republicans want to take that and distract with a bunch of stupid issues or 0.99

00:24:14.220 start infighting or do that. 0.99

00:24:15.760 Leave it to the right to try to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

00:24:19.840 But all the cultural signs, looking good, man.

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00:25:54.200 Speaking of sacrificing animals, there's a guy who went on TimCast.

00:25:58.100 He was on Tim Pool's show.

00:25:59.520 His name is Adam King.

00:26:01.800 And he was bragging, or excitedly relating, I suppose, the fact that apparently Israel

00:26:13.040 Israelis have sacrificed a red heifer for the first time in millennia, and this could inaugurate 0.99

00:26:20.720 the period where they are able to build the third temple in Jerusalem.

00:26:27.260 It's a little confusing.

00:26:28.800 I'll let him relate it.

00:26:29.700 It was an announcement that they were going to do a practice run of the red heifer.

00:26:36.520 And prior to this, the media outrage that the Jews were going to go do this red heifer, you 0.55

00:26:43.720 had these lunatics like Stu Peters and others who were saying, this is going to usher in 0.92

00:26:49.040 the Antichrist, blah, blah, blah. 0.91

00:26:50.660 And it was like a real big media bologon. 0.76

00:26:53.000 It was really a bad twist.

00:26:56.060 So, they said that they were, and also the government wasn't going to let them.

00:26:59.760 So, what they did was they said, we're just going to do a practice one with a disqualified,

00:27:04.600 one of the five disqualified cows.

00:27:06.840 The government said, okay, whatever.

00:27:09.000 They ended up going out, doing a real cow.

00:27:13.700 We can't build the temple until this happened.

00:27:17.080 And now that this happened, the Messiah can come build the third temple.

00:27:21.100 Okay, so that's the claim.

00:27:24.460 I don't know if any of that is true.

00:27:25.720 I don't know if the cow that they allegedly sacrificed had a couple of black hairs on it,

00:27:30.020 disqualifying it.

00:27:30.880 I don't know.

00:27:32.300 What I do know, though, is if they build the third temple, they should be very, very careful.

00:27:41.200 Now, you know, I'm a Christian.

00:27:42.440 So, I don't, I think we have the third temple.

00:27:45.280 I think the third temple is the resurrected Christ.

00:27:47.960 And so, things are going to play out in history.

00:27:50.260 You know, history is set in many ways.

00:27:52.480 We can, we still have freedom and we, we can cooperate with God's grace or reject God's grace.

00:27:56.380 But the beginning, the turning point of history and the end of history, we already know.

00:28:01.240 We know, we know the broad strokes of the story.

00:28:04.020 And so, you know, I don't really worry about this stuff.

00:28:06.400 Some people sweat.

00:28:07.220 They stay up all night.

00:28:08.120 Oh no, is it the end times?

00:28:09.780 I don't know.

00:28:10.220 I guess some generation is going to live in the end times.

00:28:12.060 Maybe, maybe not.

00:28:13.600 I don't know.

00:28:13.920 Whatever.

00:28:14.880 Oh no, what happens if the Antichrist comes?

00:28:17.320 Well, he's going to come at some point, you know, and I just want, but I, you know,

00:28:19.940 my, my savior lives.

00:28:21.220 So I'm not, it's going to be what it's going to be.

00:28:23.540 And I think the story has a happy ending.

00:28:25.400 Oh no, why are they sacrificing?

00:28:27.240 I don't know.

00:28:27.720 I mean, you know, they'll all convert in the end.

00:28:30.980 You know, look, it's all, it's all, it has a happy ending.

00:28:33.560 There's a lot of trouble in the middle of it, but I don't, I don't sweat these kinds of

00:28:36.360 things, right?

00:28:37.360 I just, you know, we have faith.

00:28:38.720 We have hope.

00:28:39.140 We have charity.

00:28:39.680 That's very exciting.

00:28:40.260 However, if one does wish to build a third physical temple, just a word of warning from

00:28:48.660 antiquity, they have tried it before and it did not work out very well.

00:28:53.240 Does, are you familiar with Julian the apostate?

00:28:56.140 You know, Emperor Julian the apostate was, he, he was not, he was an apostate.

00:28:59.660 He wasn't Christian. 0.93

00:29:00.400 He, he was promoting paganism and he decided it'd be a nice thing to rebuild the temple.

00:29:07.880 So there was the first temple that the first temple was destroyed by the Babylonians in

00:29:15.640 586 BC.

00:29:17.180 Then there was the second temple.

00:29:19.440 Second temple was destroyed by the Romans in AD 70, very shortly after the resurrection

00:29:26.660 and during the apostolic age.

00:29:29.420 Then 363 AD, Julian the apostate decides that he's going to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.

00:29:35.360 And according to multiple historical accounts, some Christian, some pagan, when they tried

00:29:42.420 to build the temple, a fireball shot out of the earth.

00:29:47.840 This is a lot of people have never heard this, but so this is, I'm not even quoting a Christian

00:29:51.340 source here.

00:29:51.940 This is Ammianus Marcellinus, pagan source says, Julian thought to rebuild at an extravagant

00:29:57.320 expense, the proud temple once at Jerusalem and committed this task to Olypius of Antioch.

00:30:01.600 Olypius set vigorously to work and was seconded by the governor of the province.

00:30:04.900 When fearful balls of fire, breaking out near the foundations, continued their attacks

00:30:10.480 till the workmen, after repeated scorchings, could approach no more and he gave up the

00:30:14.720 attempt.

00:30:16.320 So anyway, you know, history is going to play out as it is and our Lord has finally tuned

00:30:19.880 the cosmos to his purposes and can turn good out of even the bad that we do in our free

00:30:26.100 will.

00:30:26.340 And so, you know, again, don't you just stick close to, stick close to Christ, pray, you

00:30:30.920 know, avail yourself of the sacraments and it's okay.

00:30:33.800 Pray hope and don't worry, like Padre Pio says.

00:30:35.540 But for any of the workmen who are getting into building the third temple and everything,

00:30:40.700 watch out.

00:30:41.360 I would definitely, I would, I would take a dip in some cold water before you do that.

00:30:47.100 Things could get kind of hot.

00:30:48.300 All right, speaking of moral habits, surprising study out, Americans are drinking less.

00:30:54.940 I'm trying to make up the difference for them.

00:30:56.580 No, I'm joking.

00:30:57.260 Even after my third kid, I rarely drink now.

00:31:02.140 Republicans are leading the decline.

00:31:05.780 This is the, Americans are drinking less.

00:31:07.460 That doesn't totally surprise me.

00:31:09.640 There are all sorts of factors in here.

00:31:11.380 First of all, marijuana is becoming much more prominent.

00:31:13.420 So some people are just switching their preferred intoxicants and we're in this kind of health

00:31:18.480 moment where we're all eating sort of, you know, natural, non-GMO, all that stuff.

00:31:26.140 I don't think that totally explains it.

00:31:28.080 And what's really weird is that Republicans are leading the decline.

00:31:31.360 The share of U.S. adults, according to the Financial Times, who drink, who drink anything

00:31:36.400 ever, fell to 54%.

00:31:39.460 That's the lowest level since 1939, since Gallup began asking the question.

00:31:45.380 Only 54% of U.S. adults drink ever.

00:31:49.420 Just 46% of Republicans reported drinking this year.

00:31:54.940 That's a decline of almost a third over the last two years.

00:32:01.460 Now, Democrats are drinking less too, but the share of Democrats who drank fell only by 5%.

00:32:06.860 So Republicans have fell by a third.

00:32:10.500 Less than half of Republican adults have had a drink at all this year.

00:32:16.020 So some are saying, well, it's because they're smoking pot more.

00:32:18.540 Maybe that's probably more the Democrats, but a little bit the Republicans.

00:32:20.940 Okay, maybe.

00:32:21.700 Some say it's the economy.

00:32:22.880 The economy is actually pretty, relatively pretty good, though.

00:32:25.240 I mean, there's economic pinching and stuff, but I don't think that explains it.

00:32:29.020 I'll tell you why.

00:32:29.840 It's actually a very simple answer as to why people are drinking a lot less and Republicans

00:32:34.140 especially are drinking a lot less.

00:32:35.480 It's because Trump doesn't drink.

00:32:38.120 That's actually why.

00:32:40.340 It's not that everything is about Trump, but human beings follow the leader.

00:32:45.700 We're mimetic creatures, and we follow the leader.

00:32:47.700 And when the leader, especially a really prominent, charismatic one who is considered an historic

00:32:54.160 figure, at least an American historic figure, maybe a world historic figure, when he does stuff,

00:32:59.120 we just copy it.

00:33:00.040 We follow the leader.

00:33:03.040 We dress like the leader.

00:33:04.160 We talk like the leader.

00:33:05.680 That's just how humans work.

00:33:08.320 Actually, that fact has nothing to do with Trump.

00:33:10.940 Trump just happens to be the leader.

00:33:12.860 When JFK was president, JFK, a less charismatic leader than Trump by a long shot.

00:33:17.500 When he became president, people stopped wearing hats.

00:33:21.920 Men.

00:33:22.260 Men used to wear hats.

00:33:23.740 JFK decided to swap the hats for sunglasses.

00:33:26.700 Immediately, you saw a massive drop-off in the number of men wearing hats.

00:33:31.240 King Edward VII.

00:33:32.360 Do you remember him?

00:33:33.580 King Edward VII.

00:33:36.220 Not Edward VIII.

00:33:37.180 Not the one who was sympathetic to Hitler.

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00:33:45.920 Anyway, that's a digression.

00:33:47.460 Edward VII got kind of fat, and he looked weird in his jackets and his waistcoats, his vests.

00:33:55.940 So he started unbuttoning the bottom button.

00:33:59.000 That started a trend that persists to this day.

00:34:01.520 Today, if a man buttons the bottom button of his jacket, he looks like a total schlub,

00:34:05.900 like a joker who broke into his grandpa's closet and doesn't know how to dress.

00:34:09.840 That remains the universal rule.

00:34:12.860 That just began because Edward VII was kind of fat.

00:34:16.360 We follow the leader.

00:34:17.720 That's what it is.

00:34:19.460 And that is an important lesson, not just about politics, but about human nature.

00:34:25.140 Yeah, if the next president is a booze hound, you're going to see those numbers jump up through the roof again.

00:34:30.000 If the next president is a pothead or, I don't know, whatever his vices, whatever his virtues,

00:34:37.700 we're going to see that emulated throughout society, which is why it is important,

00:34:45.200 Pace, liberals, ideologues, libertarians.

00:34:48.240 It's why it's important to elect our leaders and elevate people in our culture in a holistic way.

00:34:56.700 It's why we have to be very serious.

00:34:58.340 It's why we have to consider the intangibles.

00:35:00.080 It's why electing the president isn't all just about policy.

00:35:02.980 It isn't all just about regulations.

00:35:04.560 It isn't all just about ideology.

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00:35:13.440 It's about the credibility.

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00:36:23.480 My favorite comment yesterday is from Joe Beaudet, who said, hold on.

00:36:29.080 Now, I didn't pick this comment.

00:36:30.320 So this was picked by the producers.

00:36:32.940 I don't know if I agree with it.

00:36:34.380 I'm just, I'm reading, I'm reading it now for the first time.

00:36:38.260 It says, male cheerleading is possibly the single gayest thing I've ever heard of.

00:36:41.820 I'm so glad I'm a hockey fan.

00:36:42.840 I don't agree with that.

00:36:43.980 I don't agree with it.

00:36:44.640 So that's not my favorite comment.

00:36:47.040 George Bush was a cheerleader.

00:36:49.200 It's, I'm, look, I'm not even, I was not a cheerleader.

00:36:51.760 I wasn't on the football team either.

00:36:53.200 You'd be shocked to find out.

00:36:54.420 But I'm not even totally opposed to male cheerleaders.

00:36:57.960 Because I don't know, don't you need a male cheerleader to do some of the stuff where you 1.00

00:37:00.940 lift the cute little girls in their short skirts up? 1.00

00:37:03.440 Don't, and you have to like throw them in the air.

00:37:04.700 And I don't know, you probably need some strength for that.

00:37:06.880 The issue with, with the male cheerleaders on the NFL teams that they're adding is one,

00:37:13.240 they are replacing female cheerleaders. 1.00

00:37:15.500 That's bad. 0.99

00:37:16.680 That, that is kind of gay. 1.00

00:37:18.160 And two, they're really effeminate. 0.98

00:37:20.280 They're like, they're not wearing like big burly sweaters to like lift up cute girls. 1.00

00:37:25.440 They're wearing like these weird tight, it's, it's weird.

00:37:28.220 It's effeminate.

00:37:28.880 It's weird. 0.93

00:37:29.200 It's gross.

00:37:29.440 So that's the problem.

00:37:30.560 But I disagree with that comment.

00:37:32.300 Sorry.

00:37:32.700 Sorry, Mr. Davies and Jacob.

00:37:33.900 Okay.

00:37:34.340 Finally, finally, we've arrived at my favorite time of the week when I get to hear from you

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00:37:44.100 Hello, Michael.

00:37:44.920 My name is Adam and I'm a longtime listener of the show.

00:37:47.360 I'm happy to say that you helped me along in my conversion to the Catholic faith, and

00:37:51.220 I am now a high school theology teacher.

00:37:53.660 One contentious issue that often comes up in the classroom is that of immigration.

00:37:57.860 I remember a number of months ago that you stated that if you were king of the United

00:38:01.460 States, you would grant the illegal immigrants in this country a kind of amnesty where they 0.99

00:38:05.880 could remain in America and live in the shadows.

00:38:08.520 However, you now seem to strongly oppose any bipartisan efforts for a policy approximating

00:38:13.340 this.

00:38:14.140 It seems to me that the best way to act in a way that is both just and merciful would

00:38:18.820 be to secure the border and grant amnesty to illegal immigrants who are not committing

00:38:23.400 crimes.

00:38:24.580 My question is, what caused you to change your mind on this issue, and how do you reconcile

00:38:29.260 mass deportation of nonviolent illegal immigrants with Christ's call for mercy?

00:38:34.540 Thank you for all you do for the church, and God bless.

00:38:37.680 Marvelous, marvelous question, but you misunderstand my point.

00:38:40.200 Okay, so I'll take your second question first.

00:38:42.500 You say, how do you reconcile mass deportation with Catholicism?

00:38:46.880 Christ is merciful.

00:38:47.940 Yes, Christ is also just, and Christ tells us to render to Caesar what is Caesar's, and

00:38:53.960 St. Paul tells us in the Bible, which is inerrant, that the civil authority is here for our

00:38:58.120 own good, and God gives it to us, and that's important as a matter of natural justice, and

00:39:02.340 the civil authority doesn't wield the sword in vain.

00:39:03.780 So, when the Bible tells us to be hospitable to the sojourner, to the foreigner who's passing

00:39:10.240 through our lands, yes, we should be hospitable.

00:39:12.640 That's a good thing to do, but that implies that they're going to leave at some point.

00:39:17.040 When they're a sojourner, when they're a foreigner in a foreign land, that implies that they're 0.99

00:39:22.080 going to get out of there at some point.

00:39:23.840 It doesn't imply that we have to immediately give them citizenship, set them up with welfare, 0.88

00:39:28.640 and look the other way when they commit serious crimes.

00:39:33.460 So, that's the issue.

00:39:34.420 There's no problem deporting illegal aliens. 1.00

00:39:36.480 Now, I have said that if you can't get the mass deportations, actually, one way the mass

00:39:43.200 deportations are working is through self-deportation.

00:39:45.320 You had the Center for Immigration Studies study that just came out based on the Bureau of Labor

00:39:50.140 statistics numbers that showed that over 2 million foreigners have left the country

00:39:56.100 since January, and 1.6 million of them are illegal aliens, 1.6 million, that's 10% of

00:40:01.600 a conservative estimate, high-end conservative estimate of the number of illegals in the

00:40:04.760 country.

00:40:05.060 So, you actually are getting a decent amount of mass deportations, mostly through self-deportation.

00:40:10.400 But I did say, I said, look, if you can't actually get rid of all of them, and if most

00:40:14.160 people don't want to, and if it's a political impossibility, there is an option, let them live

00:40:17.680 in the shadows.

00:40:18.760 That is totally different from what you're conflating that with, which is you said, so why do you

00:40:22.620 oppose a bipartisan amnesty plan where you secure the border and give amnesty?

00:40:26.100 We can't give amnesty.

00:40:28.380 Amnesty is a path to citizenship.

00:40:30.560 Amnesty is opening the border because you're creating such a massive incentive for people

00:40:35.560 to continue to cross.

00:40:37.000 I said, if political necessities require it, that I would be okay with them living in the 0.97

00:40:44.300 shadows, not having legal status, being at risk of deportation, having to behave.

00:40:51.380 When they commit crimes, they immediately get deported and go to Naive Bukele's Candyland 0.93

00:40:56.160 down there in El Salvador.

00:40:57.680 That would be a middle ground.

00:41:00.080 The libs don't want that, though. 1.00

00:41:01.520 They need to give them amnesty to eventually give them citizenship, to at least allow their

00:41:05.740 children to have birthright citizenship, because they believe, with some reason, that that

00:41:10.920 will give them a permanent electoral majority.

00:41:12.560 We cannot allow that.

00:41:13.560 Okay, next question.

00:41:14.160 Hi, Michael.

00:41:15.780 Thanks for taking my question.

00:41:17.440 So, I was blessed to have been born into a fourth-generation Christian home, but despite

00:41:20.960 the biblical foundation, I realized after I got married how manipulative my mother is. 1.00

00:41:25.820 She would advise me to actively undermine my husband's authority.

00:41:29.120 Thankfully, I ignored the advice, but now my husband and I have a beautiful one-year-old,

00:41:33.240 and my mom is undermining our authority in front of her. 1.00

00:41:36.060 I've confronted her about this, but she says she never undermines her children, but I have

00:41:40.460 multiple examples of her undermining me and my siblings. 0.97

00:41:43.900 What do I do?

00:41:45.180 Thanks.

00:41:46.000 What do you mean by undermine authority?

00:41:47.420 Do you mean like a passing comment?

00:41:49.840 You know, you say one thing, and the mother-in-law says, oh, come on, dear, give it away. 0.99

00:41:53.720 Come on, don't, no, you don't mean that, or whatever.

00:41:55.620 Or do you mean like, okay, Sally, you can't have any candy, and then grandma gives her candy.

00:42:01.800 Or do you mean like, okay, Sally, we believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven

00:42:05.540 and earth, and then, you know, your mother-in-law or your mother says, no, we're Buddhists

00:42:09.800 or something, no, because I don't know.

00:42:11.060 Those are different degrees of undermining authority.

00:42:14.040 But in any case, you need to draw those boundaries.

00:42:19.080 You have to do it in charity, with reverence for your mother.

00:42:21.220 I wouldn't just cut her out entirely.

00:42:22.940 I wouldn't tell her she can't see her grandkids.

00:42:25.080 I wouldn't quite go that far.

00:42:27.600 But I would say, hey, it's very important.

00:42:29.540 We're pretty, we keep it pretty trad around here, okay?

00:42:33.500 It's in the tiny things that the rot begins, and we have an orderly household, and we're going

00:42:38.260 to maintain an orderly household, and kids are sponges, and they soak up everything.

00:42:41.880 And so, if you're not willing to behave in the appropriate way in the house, we're going

00:42:47.760 to have to put some guardrails on that. 1.00

00:42:51.920 And, you know, maybe the kid's not going to go spend the weekend with grandma.

00:42:54.780 And maybe we're not going to, maybe they're going to have to be some consequences.

00:42:59.820 Maybe, you know, if you keep undermining the parents' authority, maybe we're going to have

00:43:07.200 to have maybe visit once a week, not three times a week, once a month.

00:43:11.020 Not, you know, you're going to, you have to draw those lines.

00:43:13.620 You have to do it with love.

00:43:14.520 You have to do it with great respect for your mother.

00:43:15.920 You have to do it with all these things that you're commanded to do.

00:43:18.300 But, to quote the head butler on the first season of The Crown, it's in the little things

00:43:24.520 that the rot begins, and you have to draw a firm line.

00:43:26.980 The household is not a democracy.

00:43:29.100 It's not even like a modern American democracy where foreigners come in and they get a vote 0.96

00:43:33.580 all of a sudden.

00:43:34.480 It's a, it's a, it's a monarchy.

00:43:38.340 And there's a paterfamilias, your husband, you know, and, and you are, you know, have a role

00:43:44.760 in running this household and, you know, in, to, to use the modern political line,

00:43:51.360 cuius regio, eius religio, you know, whose reign, his religion.

00:43:54.620 It's, you, you have a lot of authority here and, and your religion happens to be one that

00:43:59.900 is, I guess, ostensibly shared by your mother.

00:44:02.520 So she's, she should agree.

00:44:04.240 And if, if she's not doing that, you just have to gently insist upon boundaries.

00:44:09.300 Okay.

00:44:09.680 Next question.

00:44:10.980 Hey, Michael, as a practicing Orthodox Jew, I find it quite

00:44:14.700 difficult to hear you praise the likes of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella and the

00:44:18.880 Crusaders.

00:44:20.040 May their memories be blotted out.

00:44:22.460 In addition, you seem to take very lightly the Jews' historical and or theological claims

00:44:30.120 to the land, all of this stemming from what it seems is your lack of belief that the Jews

00:44:34.560 are still the chosen nation or special in any way, shape, or form.

00:44:38.720 A cursory reading of the Bible will make it clear beyond any shadow of a doubt.

00:44:44.700 That God has chosen the Jewish people as his chosen nation and that he proclaims many,

00:44:50.420 many, many, many times throughout the Torah, throughout the prophets, that he will never

00:44:54.940 go back on his promise, even if the Jews send under any circumstances. 0.96

00:44:59.820 So how do you reconcile these things?

00:45:02.480 Thank you.

00:45:02.820 Sure.

00:45:03.580 Okay.

00:45:03.740 I'll try to take them all.

00:45:04.840 I'll try to hit all of those points.

00:45:06.340 Well, you know, Christians believe that Christ does not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill

00:45:11.980 the law such that God does fulfill his promises to the Jewish people, not merely in a carnal

00:45:18.980 and terrestrial way, but even in a spiritual way in the person of Christ, who is a king,

00:45:25.340 but he's the king of kings who saves the Jewish people.

00:45:28.740 He actually saves the whole world because the people, the Israelites of the Old Testament

00:45:34.160 are a particular people set apart, and also they are a type of all of mankind.

00:45:41.300 So that's how Christians understand the Bible.

00:45:44.320 This doesn't mean that God no longer has a plan for the Jewish people, as you suggest

00:45:47.840 that I believe.

00:45:48.540 I don't believe that.

00:45:49.420 God certainly does have a plan for the Jewish people.

00:45:51.760 But God fulfills his promises in the church.

00:45:54.860 So that would be why I don't believe in Zionism, which is a 19th century ideology.

00:45:59.880 It's not even as though Zionism is some, you know, ancient, intrinsic aspect of rabbinic

00:46:05.880 Judaism.

00:46:06.200 It's an ideology that comes up after nationalism and which makes religious and historical claims

00:46:12.680 to the land, which is ironic because the initial concept of the state of Israel was that

00:46:17.200 it would be secular and that it would be socialist.

00:46:18.840 But in any case, so that's why I don't agree with that.

00:46:22.060 In fact, I don't agree with most modern nationalist ideologies because I think modernity took a

00:46:26.960 wrong turn.

00:46:28.220 So yeah, I don't believe in those sorts of claims.

00:46:32.080 I do, however, think that the Jewish people are a special people set apart, even as a tribe. 0.99

00:46:37.440 So I do think they are set apart and it would be great, you know, to bring them on over

00:46:43.600 to Holy Mother Church and you're welcome anytime.

00:46:45.300 The defense of the Crusades and Ferdinand and Isabella is not because, you know, on the

00:46:52.980 Crusades in the Rhineland, you know, Jews were massacred.

00:46:55.480 That was quite bad.

00:46:57.000 The Pope said so at the time.

00:46:58.920 But that's not the whole story of the Crusades.

00:47:00.720 That's a relatively minor, though unfortunate, incident that occurred in the Crusades.

00:47:05.020 But the Crusades were about something much, much more.

00:47:07.920 Ferdinand and Isabella ended the Reconquista, you know, finally booted the Muslims out of Iberia. 1.00

00:47:12.980 The Muslims had been there for like 600 years, more than, sorry, like 800 years. 1.00

00:47:17.780 And also sent Columbus to discover the Western Hemisphere.

00:47:21.340 So again, that's not, they expelled the Jews.

00:47:23.860 And if I were a Jew, I'd be pretty salty about that too. 1.00

00:47:26.220 But there's much more to the story of Ferdinand and Isabella.

00:47:29.360 So that would be the issue.

00:47:31.080 I suppose, yeah, I suppose I have the least popular view of all these days, which is that

00:47:36.020 I don't go along with modern ideologies or even modern theological views, most of which

00:47:42.240 come from the 19th century.

00:47:44.000 Pretty trad and, you know, pretty traditional in my religious views.

00:47:48.380 But I also like the Jews, which is also unpopular these days.

00:47:52.240 So I don't know, I have the least popular view of all.

00:47:55.320 But anyway, there you have it.

00:47:56.500 And I like the Crusades and I like Ferdinand and Isabella.

00:47:58.620 Okay, there's much more to get to.

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00:48:02.880 There's more written mail bag.

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The Michael Knowles Show - August 15, 2025

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