The Michael Knowles Show


Ep. 1794 - Trump's ＂HIGH STAKES＂ Meeting With Putin To End The WAR


Summary

In this episode, a Republican member of Congress shares her thoughts with Joe Rogan on how we develop some of the technology that allows us to wage some of our wars. And then, before we get to President Trump s high-stakes meeting with Vladimir Putin over the Russia war in Alaska today, we ll get to the big story: the potential end after 11 years of that war in Ukraine.


Transcript

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00:00:30.000 We'll get to President Trump's high-stakes meeting with Vladimir Putin
00:00:35.800 over the Russia war in Alaska today.
00:00:39.240 That is the big story, the potential end after 11 years of that war in Ukraine.
00:00:44.460 But first, a Republican member of Congress shares her thoughts with Joe Rogan
00:00:50.160 on how we develop some of the technology that allows us to wage those wars.
00:00:55.160 I think that some of the tech that exists, that whatever these things have,
00:01:02.020 these energy things have...
00:01:04.220 Energy things?
00:01:04.840 What do you mean?
00:01:05.360 Well, they call them interdimensional beings.
00:01:07.920 I think that they can actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have.
00:01:12.300 And that's not something that I came up with on my own.
00:01:16.200 That's based on stuff that we've seen.
00:01:18.160 That's based on information that we've been told.
00:01:21.580 And then also, too, I think that there's this historical aspect of, you know,
00:01:25.580 this gets into the deeper theories and concepts of religion
00:01:30.900 and I think the history that we currently know.
00:01:33.760 And that kind of spins off into another topic of, you know,
00:01:36.540 you have the modern-day Bible.
00:01:38.440 You have this aspect of books of the Bible that have been removed
00:01:42.040 that explain and kind of touch on these topics.
00:01:44.020 And I think that we're in a time and age where you have such a vast amount of information
00:01:50.620 that we have access to via social media, via your cell phone, via the Internet.
00:01:55.020 And so it's really changing the way that we understand, you know,
00:01:58.340 the origins of life and the spiritual reality that we know.
00:02:03.680 So in case you had trouble following that,
00:02:05.780 the claim from this ostensibly conservative member of Congress
00:02:10.020 is that the U.S. government develops technology
00:02:13.560 by reverse-engineering the spaceships of interdimensional extraterrestrial aliens,
00:02:19.220 the existence of which was hidden by the Council of Rome in the year 382,
00:02:24.100 but which has since come to light because now we have cell phones.
00:02:29.540 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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00:04:30.800 So I watched that clip.
00:04:32.240 You know, I hate to criticize Republicans in Congress or in the administration or anywhere,
00:04:38.920 but that clip, that one really got me because it touched on so many things that aren't true.
00:04:51.100 Like not just the aliens and the spaceships, but really, I guess what tipped me off was
00:04:57.180 this point she made about books of the Bible being removed.
00:05:01.940 Because it's true that people have removed books of the Bible over the years.
00:05:05.240 I don't think she's talking about Martin Luther and, you know, the book of Tobit or something.
00:05:10.140 I don't think we're talking about Ecclesiasticus here.
00:05:13.360 This sounds very Gnostic.
00:05:15.100 This sounds very New Age-y.
00:05:16.920 This sounds real hippy-dippy.
00:05:18.940 And just to make sure that I wasn't reading something into it that wasn't there,
00:05:22.960 I watched another clip where Congress Lady Anna Paulina Luna had this to say
00:05:30.180 about what she means about people taking books out of the Bible.
00:05:35.240 You know, why is it that you also have this aspect of, you know, a certain religion that
00:05:39.880 has been very controlled and I think rolled out in a certain aspect?
00:05:43.100 And, you know, when you have certain books that are removed because they don't think that
00:05:46.480 people should have access to this information or know it, you know, why remove a book from a Bible?
00:05:51.880 You have to really understand the history of the Bible to be able to figure out
00:05:55.880 what's legitimate, what's not, why they put it into the New Testament.
00:06:00.160 I had some very erroneous ideas about it until I talked to intelligent people that really
00:06:04.160 know the history of it.
00:06:05.800 And it's very strange stuff.
00:06:07.680 Well, so from what I gather, and by the way, I'm not a theologian in any capacity,
00:06:12.460 but just from my personal opinion on this.
00:06:14.360 So you have the Ethiopian Orthodox text, which has, I think, 88 books of the Bible in total.
00:06:21.240 But in the Ethiopian Orthodox text, it's basically kind of like a mainline OG version of the Bible.
00:06:27.780 And then sometime in the fourth century, there was actually a group that came together and
00:06:32.160 they removed certain books.
00:06:34.800 Okay.
00:06:35.360 All right.
00:06:36.040 Listen, I'm not a theologian, but I'm just going to say a bunch of stuff anyway.
00:06:40.620 Listen, I don't know anything that I'm talking about, but I'm going to just start talking.
00:06:44.120 Okay.
00:06:44.340 And I love Rogan here, and he says, yeah, have you considered talking to intelligent people
00:06:51.100 about this?
00:06:52.140 Have you, huh?
00:06:53.040 No, interesting.
00:06:53.920 No, I'm with you.
00:06:54.520 I'm going to let you finish.
00:06:55.380 But have you considered speaking to anyone who knows anything about this?
00:07:00.320 And you can tell that what she's talking about here is the Catholics.
00:07:04.020 She's taking a hit at Catholics.
00:07:05.120 She's saying there was a certain religion in antiquity, in the earliest years of the church,
00:07:12.800 a certain organization that was very controlled.
00:07:17.540 Huh?
00:07:18.280 I'm looking at you, you mackerel snappers.
00:07:20.320 I'm very controlled.
00:07:21.560 And they took books out of the Bible.
00:07:24.520 And so it's clear she's not referring to, say, Protestant revolutionaries later on, you
00:07:29.380 know, taking the deuterocanonical books and calling them apocrypha or taking them out
00:07:33.360 entirely or questioning the epistle of James or any of these things.
00:07:36.940 She's talking about the Gnostic texts, which is what all the new agey pro-alien people are
00:07:43.020 always talking about.
00:07:43.760 Hey, man, have you ever heard about the gospel of Thomas, man?
00:07:50.100 Yeah, man, they didn't put that one.
00:07:52.000 They took that one out of the Bible.
00:07:53.120 What does it mean they took it out of the Bible?
00:07:55.400 The canon of the Bible was not set until 382.
00:07:58.420 She says, well, the Ethiopians, some of the Ethiopians have a different canon of the Bible.
00:08:02.800 Okay, well, who died and made the Ethiopians pope?
00:08:05.740 Who cares?
00:08:06.680 I'm not listening.
00:08:07.680 It's interesting.
00:08:08.360 It's interesting to compare different canons.
00:08:10.600 But I don't even understand the argument that would impel this woman to say, well, yes,
00:08:16.480 the Ethiopians, they clearly are the infallible authority on what constitutes the canon of the
00:08:21.760 Bible compared to ecumenical councils many, many times over the years at Rome, Hippo, Carthage,
00:08:32.980 Florence, Trent.
00:08:34.480 Finally, Trent really just reiterates everything that we've been hearing since antiquity.
00:08:39.620 Those were ecumenical councils with bishops from all over the place.
00:08:43.860 She saw this group of people got together.
00:08:45.680 They took books out of the Bible.
00:08:46.700 There was no canon of the Bible until the canon was set.
00:08:51.580 And this is the other thing about the Gnostic texts that are all really weird and hippie
00:08:55.640 and new agey.
00:08:56.420 And a lot of people who are into this stuff cite them.
00:08:59.300 If you've ever read, I've read some of these books.
00:09:01.620 If you've ever read like the heretical gospel of Thomas or something like that, the one takeaway
00:09:06.180 you'll have is, you know, I think the church fathers, I think the ecumenical councils,
00:09:10.440 they probably got it right because these books were written much later.
00:09:13.240 They don't have good provenance.
00:09:15.380 They're ridiculous in most ways.
00:09:17.280 I think they probably got it right.
00:09:18.640 But also, just because something's not included in the canon of the Bible doesn't mean you can't
00:09:23.460 read it.
00:09:23.880 You can read it and judge for yourself and recognize why it's not in the canon of the Bible.
00:09:27.900 I mean, there are good books that are not in the canon of the Bible, like the Proto-Evangelium
00:09:30.280 of James, for instance.
00:09:31.520 But there are also stupid, ridiculous books that are not in the canon of the Bible, like a
00:09:35.460 bunch of Gnostic, Manichaean nonsense and heretical pseudo-gospels that were written
00:09:39.560 centuries after the fact.
00:09:41.640 All for what?
00:09:42.340 Because, man, because you don't understand, man, they've been covering up the alien spaceships
00:09:47.700 since the fourth century, man.
00:09:49.700 Good grief.
00:09:52.320 Not, I don't, I don't think that's the most plausible explanation for how we got drones.
00:09:56.680 I don't know.
00:09:57.180 Call me, call me crazy.
00:09:58.580 Now, speaking of tech and the technology we use to wage wars, President Trump today is
00:10:05.060 meeting with Vladimir Putin on American soil that used to be Russian soil in Alaska.
00:10:11.040 And the president, ever the showman, posts on Truth Social, high stakes.
00:10:17.140 All caps, three exclamation marks, exclamation points, I should say.
00:10:24.560 What's this meeting about?
00:10:26.520 Is this just going to be a sort of, they go, they don't resolve anything, the war doesn't
00:10:30.940 end?
00:10:31.240 Not quite, because the Trump administration is signaling something big could happen if
00:10:36.880 they don't come to a deal.
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00:12:01.120 Axios reporting that a senior U.S. official told them, quote,
00:12:05.760 This is Trump being the most serious he's ever been and the most direct.
00:12:09.100 He wants to show the world.
00:12:10.720 Now the onus is on Putin.
00:12:12.640 Agree to a ceasefire or show real movement or there will be severe repercussions.
00:12:17.240 Putin has to show very positive movement.
00:12:20.860 Trump Trump Trump is signaling that if the meeting goes well, then they'll have a follow up summit
00:12:27.100 that involves Zelensky.
00:12:29.200 And if it doesn't go well, according to Axios, quote, we are not going to have a second meeting.
00:12:35.580 So everyone's going to attack Trump.
00:12:37.260 The squishes and the hawks and the libs and the neocons and everyone's going to attack Trump.
00:12:43.420 He shouldn't be meeting with Putin.
00:12:45.180 He shouldn't meet on U.S. soil.
00:12:46.720 He shouldn't, he shouldn't, he shouldn't.
00:12:50.240 One observation.
00:12:53.080 Trump is one of the only people in the world who wants to end the war in Ukraine.
00:12:59.540 The Democrats don't want to end the war in Ukraine.
00:13:02.060 The establishment Republicans don't want to end the war in Ukraine.
00:13:06.100 Some don't want to end the war in Ukraine because they are pretending that Ukraine is some liberal
00:13:12.020 democracy utopia, which it obviously is not.
00:13:14.700 Some have better reasons because they say, well, Putin is the aggressor in this war and
00:13:18.660 we don't want to cede American influence and American hegemony.
00:13:24.320 Some are looking at it more cynically, but understandably from a grand strategic perspective
00:13:30.760 and saying, look, the Russians are bogged down in this war.
00:13:33.660 It's a meat grinder.
00:13:34.920 The cost of that meat grinder is killing a whole generation of Ukrainian men.
00:13:38.660 But the benefit will be that we're going to kill a whole generation of Russian men and
00:13:43.580 we'll degrade the Russian army.
00:13:45.360 Russia still has a lot of intercontinental ballistic missiles pointed at us.
00:13:48.900 Russia was our chief geopolitical adversary for most of the 20th century.
00:13:52.860 And so seems like a win-win, right?
00:13:56.320 Well, let's keep the war going.
00:13:57.500 The more Russians we can kill, the better.
00:13:58.980 That is the grand strategic argument that is being made implicitly and in some cases explicitly.
00:14:05.300 Trump is one of the only guys saying, we have to stop the bloodshed.
00:14:11.140 This war has gone on long enough.
00:14:12.740 This war has been going on for 11 years.
00:14:15.500 People forget because they only trace it back to the big invasion into Ukraine, which happened
00:14:21.200 after Trump left office when Biden was in office because Biden looked weak and essentially
00:14:26.020 invited Putin in.
00:14:26.960 But this doesn't only post-date the first Trump administration, it actually predates it because
00:14:33.160 Putin went into Crimea under Obama.
00:14:36.760 This goes back to 2014.
00:14:40.800 And there's all sorts of U.S. involvement in 2014.
00:14:43.780 There was the Maidan revolution.
00:14:45.380 The CIA would appear to have had some role, as it does in most geopolitical affairs.
00:14:50.560 So this goes on for a long time.
00:14:52.720 How much longer are we going to let it go on?
00:14:54.380 How many more people are going to die?
00:14:56.040 How long, from a strategic viewpoint, how long are we going to allow this regional war,
00:15:02.100 which is really a proxy war, to continue, thereby raising the risk of a global conflict
00:15:09.360 or even a nuclear conflict?
00:15:11.200 How long are we going to let that go on?
00:15:12.840 The meeting is between Trump and Putin.
00:15:15.360 Trump and Putin are the only two people who can end the war because it's not really a war
00:15:18.280 between Ukraine and Russia.
00:15:19.380 It's a war between the United States and Russia.
00:15:20.860 And the battlefield is Ukraine.
00:15:23.620 And Trump is saying, I want to wind this down.
00:15:26.000 I want to focus on other things.
00:15:27.200 I want to keep our powder dry.
00:15:28.540 I want the bloodshed to stop.
00:15:31.160 When people call him a tyrant and an authoritarian and this and that,
00:15:34.580 Trump is basically the only guy on earth who is not only calling for peace,
00:15:38.740 but actually trying to achieve peace.
00:15:40.480 That is a cause for reflection, whether you're on the Nobel Peace Prize Committee
00:15:46.420 or whether you're just an average Trump critic.
00:15:49.140 Okay.
00:15:49.760 Speaking of foreigners on our soil, Gavin Newsom.
00:15:53.540 This was delicious.
00:15:55.020 Gavin Newsom held a rally.
00:15:57.040 It wasn't really a rally.
00:15:58.160 The word rally is overstating it.
00:15:59.740 He got a handful of people into a room and he wants to run for president.
00:16:02.840 So he's dressed up in his best presidential looking suit and he's got his presidential
00:16:06.760 looking campaign behind him with signs that say, defend democracy.
00:16:10.720 It's not really a rally.
00:16:11.420 It's kind of a weak press conference.
00:16:13.140 Anyway, as he is speaking, right as the rally is going on,
00:16:19.960 Trump sends ICE in to arrest illegals who are all around the rally.
00:16:26.700 And right outside, at this exact moment, are dozens and dozens of ICE agents.
00:16:38.220 Donald Trump, you think it's coincidental?
00:16:44.180 Donald Trump and his minions, Tom Homan, tough guy,
00:16:50.180 clearly decided, coincidentally or not, that this was a location to advance ICE arrest.
00:16:56.040 Border patrol agents are making arrests, illegal immigrants.
00:16:59.720 I don't know if they were at this press conference, if they were in the area,
00:17:03.480 but this is a very, as John put it when we first saw this video, a very in-your-face way.
00:17:08.620 Yeah, it is in-your-face and the optics are brilliant.
00:17:11.860 The optics are brilliant here.
00:17:13.100 If I were Newsom, I would not have called attention to this.
00:17:15.720 One, because ICE is popular, the mass migrations are popular,
00:17:18.500 it won the popular vote in November.
00:17:19.720 But two, the implication is that the Democrat constituency is foreigners.
00:17:29.340 It's illegal aliens.
00:17:30.740 It's foreign criminals.
00:17:32.240 That's the insinuation.
00:17:34.900 Because Newsom can whine and complain and say,
00:17:37.580 you think the timing is coincidental?
00:17:39.560 Tom Homan, tough guy.
00:17:41.380 Yeah, he is a tough guy.
00:17:42.380 He looks tougher than you.
00:17:43.340 I wouldn't point that out.
00:17:45.020 That's not, you got to keep your mouth shut on some of these things.
00:17:47.580 That doesn't look good.
00:17:49.640 And then, but he keeps yapping.
00:17:50.720 And he says, he sent the ICE agents in and they're arresting illegals outside.
00:17:55.980 Why were they able to do that?
00:17:57.700 How were they able to do that?
00:17:59.680 They were able to do that because your state is teeming with illegal aliens.
00:18:04.880 Tom Homan could send a team in to basically any part of California at any hour of the day,
00:18:10.100 any day of the week.
00:18:10.920 And he would round up a lot of illegals.
00:18:12.760 Because you let them in.
00:18:15.880 And you continue to support them there.
00:18:18.100 And you do so cynically because you think it's going to give you an electoral permanent majority.
00:18:23.080 And the American people hate that.
00:18:25.260 This was shooting fish in a barrel.
00:18:28.060 And the fact that they could do this shows how terrible your leadership is.
00:18:33.900 And it shows how weak your constituency is.
00:18:36.220 This is a horrible look for Newsom.
00:18:38.240 You should keep your mouth shut, man.
00:18:41.060 If they're arresting the illegals all around you, don't call attention to it.
00:18:46.900 Unless Newsom's going to lean into being the far-left candidate that he was earlier in his career.
00:18:53.600 The guy who was officiating gay marriages when it was illegal in San Francisco.
00:18:58.220 That was the first part of his career.
00:18:59.740 But I thought Newsom was going to try to moderate now.
00:19:02.120 Remember?
00:19:02.720 He was going to become a podcast bro.
00:19:04.620 And he was going to become a debate me bro.
00:19:06.220 And he was going to ape the American right circa 2016.
00:19:09.680 And he was going to suck up to Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon.
00:19:12.120 Remember that?
00:19:13.140 What happened to that?
00:19:14.060 Well, that didn't play either.
00:19:15.920 Because that was going to lose him the primary.
00:19:18.980 But if he plays to the Democrat primary base and he sucks up to illegal alien criminals,
00:19:24.340 then he's going to lose the general.
00:19:26.560 And he is a talented politician.
00:19:29.060 But he is just running up against the Democrat problem right now,
00:19:33.960 which is that they have nowhere to turn.
00:19:36.060 Anything they do hurts them with the voters.
00:19:40.460 This is so terrible.
00:19:42.580 Outside of our rally, all of our supporters are getting rounded up because they're foreign criminals.
00:19:47.680 Oops.
00:19:48.520 Whoops.
00:19:49.340 Now, speaking of big conservative wins, this is a cultural win, but it's a win.
00:19:53.840 It's a win.
00:19:54.460 Beyond Meat is heading to bankruptcy.
00:19:58.860 Do you remember Beyond Meat?
00:20:00.600 This was a fad over the last 10 years during the rise of veganism and the environmental activism
00:20:08.820 and the climate change hysteria when the corporations and the political elites told us
00:20:14.360 that they were going to take away our meat, take away our hamburgers, take away our steaks,
00:20:17.500 and they were going to serve as these lab-grown, congealed, bizarre concoctions of vegetable pseudo-meat.
00:20:24.740 And they put it on the menu at fast food restaurants, and they tried to put it into grocery stores,
00:20:30.900 and Beyond Meat is now filing Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
00:20:35.960 Why?
00:20:36.640 Because there's no market for that.
00:20:38.760 And part of the shift is no one cares about climate change anymore.
00:20:42.780 That Democrat boogeyman just had diminishing marginal returns.
00:20:45.880 Even the Democrats don't talk about it really anymore.
00:20:47.920 So that's done.
00:20:50.140 And we no longer trust our scientific elites and public health officials because of COVID.
00:20:56.620 And the crunchies all moved to the right.
00:21:00.640 So now the real hippy-dippy, all-natural, anti-Monsanto, don't want the GMOs and the antibiotics.
00:21:06.700 They used to be on the left.
00:21:07.740 Now they're on the right.
00:21:08.560 And as a combination of all of those factors, the crunchies want natural.
00:21:16.740 They don't want the supposedly lab-grown health food.
00:21:20.540 They want natural.
00:21:22.560 And they want meat.
00:21:23.360 And we realize meat is good, and our bodies are made to eat meat.
00:21:25.940 And it's cool.
00:21:27.540 You're not going to destroy the world if you eat a hamburger.
00:21:29.640 So Beyond Meat headed to Chapter 11.
00:21:32.800 Sign of the times.
00:21:33.680 It's not just Beyond Meat.
00:21:35.560 There's a restaurant in New York that yuppies and fancy people and foodies, and they love it.
00:21:44.280 It's called Eleven Madison Park.
00:21:46.820 I've never eaten there.
00:21:49.060 The $500 tasting menus are not my things.
00:21:51.640 I like good stuff.
00:21:52.840 I'm a simple man.
00:21:53.520 I'm easily satisfied by the very best of everything.
00:21:55.500 But I'm a little more trad in my tastes.
00:21:57.960 If I'm in New York going to a restaurant, I want to go to a really good steakhouse or something.
00:22:01.540 I don't want to go to one of these fancy things where you get 15 plates, and it's got a little bit of seafoam on a sprig of arugula next to a dollop of salt water from the Himalayas.
00:22:14.700 That's not my thing.
00:22:16.400 But Eleven Madison Park is one of those places.
00:22:17.960 A lot of people love it.
00:22:19.480 Four years ago, Eleven Madison Park, one of the hottest restaurants in the world.
00:22:24.060 It was actually listed in 2017 as one of the world's 50 best restaurants.
00:22:28.980 It has three Michelin stars.
00:22:30.460 They decided they were going to go vegan.
00:22:33.500 They were going to take not just meat off the menu.
00:22:35.900 They were going to take dairy, eggs, everything.
00:22:39.360 And so they would serve up these course.
00:22:40.960 It would be a three-hour, a three-hour, nine-course prefix meal for $350 a head, starting at $350 a head.
00:22:49.080 One of the meals, according to reporting, I've never been there, included a beet, quote, cooked 18 ways and tasting like pretty much any other beet.
00:22:58.880 That's according to a review on Eater.com.
00:23:01.360 Even according to the New York Times, it tasted like lemon pledge and smells like a burger joint.
00:23:08.280 Oh, sorry, like a burning joint, like the Asian oregano, not even a burger joint.
00:23:13.160 That would actually smell pretty good.
00:23:15.520 The fancy, bougie restaurants are going back to meat.
00:23:18.980 Beyond Meat is headed to bankruptcy.
00:23:21.800 We won.
00:23:24.140 We won.
00:23:25.420 Trans is dead.
00:23:27.060 The Supreme Court might overrule so-called gay marriage.
00:23:30.760 Cindy Sweeney is selling jeans, just looking pretty.
00:23:33.980 And the vegans are ostracized.
00:23:38.600 Meat is coming back to 11 Madison Park.
00:23:41.160 Meat is coming back to meat companies.
00:23:43.580 We won.
00:23:44.520 We won.
00:23:46.700 We won.
00:23:48.340 We won the popular vote.
00:23:50.760 That was a sign of the times, and then it was a cause, and everything changed.
00:23:55.800 The left, it's not that the left is dead forever.
00:23:57.860 It's kind of lying dormant right now, or it's receding.
00:24:02.100 It could come back.
00:24:02.880 It will come back at some point.
00:24:03.800 But for right now, every single sign points to the right advancing.
00:24:09.800 So, of course, Republicans want to take that and distract with a bunch of stupid issues or
00:24:14.220 start infighting or do that.
00:24:15.760 Leave it to the right to try to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
00:24:19.840 But all the cultural signs, looking good, man.
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00:25:54.200 Speaking of sacrificing animals, there's a guy who went on TimCast.
00:25:58.100 He was on Tim Pool's show.
00:25:59.520 His name is Adam King.
00:26:01.800 And he was bragging, or excitedly relating, I suppose, the fact that apparently Israel
00:26:13.040 Israelis have sacrificed a red heifer for the first time in millennia, and this could inaugurate
00:26:20.720 the period where they are able to build the third temple in Jerusalem.
00:26:27.260 It's a little confusing.
00:26:28.800 I'll let him relate it.
00:26:29.700 It was an announcement that they were going to do a practice run of the red heifer.
00:26:36.520 And prior to this, the media outrage that the Jews were going to go do this red heifer, you
00:26:43.720 had these lunatics like Stu Peters and others who were saying, this is going to usher in
00:26:49.040 the Antichrist, blah, blah, blah.
00:26:50.660 And it was like a real big media bologon.
00:26:53.000 It was really a bad twist.
00:26:56.060 So, they said that they were, and also the government wasn't going to let them.
00:26:59.760 So, what they did was they said, we're just going to do a practice one with a disqualified,
00:27:04.600 one of the five disqualified cows.
00:27:06.840 The government said, okay, whatever.
00:27:09.000 They ended up going out, doing a real cow.
00:27:13.700 We can't build the temple until this happened.
00:27:17.080 And now that this happened, the Messiah can come build the third temple.
00:27:21.100 Okay, so that's the claim.
00:27:24.460 I don't know if any of that is true.
00:27:25.720 I don't know if the cow that they allegedly sacrificed had a couple of black hairs on it,
00:27:30.020 disqualifying it.
00:27:30.880 I don't know.
00:27:32.300 What I do know, though, is if they build the third temple, they should be very, very careful.
00:27:41.200 Now, you know, I'm a Christian.
00:27:42.440 So, I don't, I think we have the third temple.
00:27:45.280 I think the third temple is the resurrected Christ.
00:27:47.960 And so, things are going to play out in history.
00:27:50.260 You know, history is set in many ways.
00:27:52.480 We can, we still have freedom and we, we can cooperate with God's grace or reject God's grace.
00:27:56.380 But the beginning, the turning point of history and the end of history, we already know.
00:28:01.240 We know, we know the broad strokes of the story.
00:28:04.020 And so, you know, I don't really worry about this stuff.
00:28:06.400 Some people sweat.
00:28:07.220 They stay up all night.
00:28:08.120 Oh no, is it the end times?
00:28:09.780 I don't know.
00:28:10.220 I guess some generation is going to live in the end times.
00:28:12.060 Maybe, maybe not.
00:28:13.600 I don't know.
00:28:13.920 Whatever.
00:28:14.880 Oh no, what happens if the Antichrist comes?
00:28:17.320 Well, he's going to come at some point, you know, and I just want, but I, you know,
00:28:19.940 my, my savior lives.
00:28:21.220 So I'm not, it's going to be what it's going to be.
00:28:23.540 And I think the story has a happy ending.
00:28:25.400 Oh no, why are they sacrificing?
00:28:27.240 I don't know.
00:28:27.720 I mean, you know, they'll all convert in the end.
00:28:30.980 You know, look, it's all, it's all, it has a happy ending.
00:28:33.560 There's a lot of trouble in the middle of it, but I don't, I don't sweat these kinds of
00:28:36.360 things, right?
00:28:37.360 I just, you know, we have faith.
00:28:38.720 We have hope.
00:28:39.140 We have charity.
00:28:39.680 That's very exciting.
00:28:40.260 However, if one does wish to build a third physical temple, just a word of warning from
00:28:48.660 antiquity, they have tried it before and it did not work out very well.
00:28:53.240 Does, are you familiar with Julian the apostate?
00:28:56.140 You know, Emperor Julian the apostate was, he, he was not, he was an apostate.
00:28:59.660 He wasn't Christian.
00:29:00.400 He, he was promoting paganism and he decided it'd be a nice thing to rebuild the temple.
00:29:07.880 So there was the first temple that the first temple was destroyed by the Babylonians in
00:29:15.640 586 BC.
00:29:17.180 Then there was the second temple.
00:29:19.440 Second temple was destroyed by the Romans in AD 70, very shortly after the resurrection
00:29:26.660 and during the apostolic age.
00:29:29.420 Then 363 AD, Julian the apostate decides that he's going to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.
00:29:35.360 And according to multiple historical accounts, some Christian, some pagan, when they tried
00:29:42.420 to build the temple, a fireball shot out of the earth.
00:29:47.840 This is a lot of people have never heard this, but so this is, I'm not even quoting a Christian
00:29:51.340 source here.
00:29:51.940 This is Ammianus Marcellinus, pagan source says, Julian thought to rebuild at an extravagant
00:29:57.320 expense, the proud temple once at Jerusalem and committed this task to Olypius of Antioch.
00:30:01.600 Olypius set vigorously to work and was seconded by the governor of the province.
00:30:04.900 When fearful balls of fire, breaking out near the foundations, continued their attacks
00:30:10.480 till the workmen, after repeated scorchings, could approach no more and he gave up the
00:30:14.720 attempt.
00:30:16.320 So anyway, you know, history is going to play out as it is and our Lord has finally tuned
00:30:19.880 the cosmos to his purposes and can turn good out of even the bad that we do in our free
00:30:26.100 will.
00:30:26.340 And so, you know, again, don't you just stick close to, stick close to Christ, pray, you
00:30:30.920 know, avail yourself of the sacraments and it's okay.
00:30:33.800 Pray hope and don't worry, like Padre Pio says.
00:30:35.540 But for any of the workmen who are getting into building the third temple and everything,
00:30:40.700 watch out.
00:30:41.360 I would definitely, I would, I would take a dip in some cold water before you do that.
00:30:47.100 Things could get kind of hot.
00:30:48.300 All right, speaking of moral habits, surprising study out, Americans are drinking less.
00:30:54.940 I'm trying to make up the difference for them.
00:30:56.580 No, I'm joking.
00:30:57.260 Even after my third kid, I rarely drink now.
00:31:02.140 Republicans are leading the decline.
00:31:05.780 This is the, Americans are drinking less.
00:31:07.460 That doesn't totally surprise me.
00:31:09.640 There are all sorts of factors in here.
00:31:11.380 First of all, marijuana is becoming much more prominent.
00:31:13.420 So some people are just switching their preferred intoxicants and we're in this kind of health
00:31:18.480 moment where we're all eating sort of, you know, natural, non-GMO, all that stuff.
00:31:26.140 I don't think that totally explains it.
00:31:28.080 And what's really weird is that Republicans are leading the decline.
00:31:31.360 The share of U.S. adults, according to the Financial Times, who drink, who drink anything
00:31:36.400 ever, fell to 54%.
00:31:39.460 That's the lowest level since 1939, since Gallup began asking the question.
00:31:45.380 Only 54% of U.S. adults drink ever.
00:31:49.420 Just 46% of Republicans reported drinking this year.
00:31:54.940 That's a decline of almost a third over the last two years.
00:32:01.460 Now, Democrats are drinking less too, but the share of Democrats who drank fell only by 5%.
00:32:06.860 So Republicans have fell by a third.
00:32:10.500 Less than half of Republican adults have had a drink at all this year.
00:32:16.020 So some are saying, well, it's because they're smoking pot more.
00:32:18.540 Maybe that's probably more the Democrats, but a little bit the Republicans.
00:32:20.940 Okay, maybe.
00:32:21.700 Some say it's the economy.
00:32:22.880 The economy is actually pretty, relatively pretty good, though.
00:32:25.240 I mean, there's economic pinching and stuff, but I don't think that explains it.
00:32:29.020 I'll tell you why.
00:32:29.840 It's actually a very simple answer as to why people are drinking a lot less and Republicans
00:32:34.140 especially are drinking a lot less.
00:32:35.480 It's because Trump doesn't drink.
00:32:38.120 That's actually why.
00:32:40.340 It's not that everything is about Trump, but human beings follow the leader.
00:32:45.700 We're mimetic creatures, and we follow the leader.
00:32:47.700 And when the leader, especially a really prominent, charismatic one who is considered an historic
00:32:54.160 figure, at least an American historic figure, maybe a world historic figure, when he does stuff,
00:32:59.120 we just copy it.
00:33:00.040 We follow the leader.
00:33:03.040 We dress like the leader.
00:33:04.160 We talk like the leader.
00:33:05.680 That's just how humans work.
00:33:08.320 Actually, that fact has nothing to do with Trump.
00:33:10.940 Trump just happens to be the leader.
00:33:12.860 When JFK was president, JFK, a less charismatic leader than Trump by a long shot.
00:33:17.500 When he became president, people stopped wearing hats.
00:33:21.920 Men.
00:33:22.260 Men used to wear hats.
00:33:23.740 JFK decided to swap the hats for sunglasses.
00:33:26.700 Immediately, you saw a massive drop-off in the number of men wearing hats.
00:33:31.240 King Edward VII.
00:33:32.360 Do you remember him?
00:33:33.580 King Edward VII.
00:33:36.220 Not Edward VIII.
00:33:37.180 Not the one who was sympathetic to Hitler.
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00:33:45.920 Anyway, that's a digression.
00:33:47.460 Edward VII got kind of fat, and he looked weird in his jackets and his waistcoats, his vests.
00:33:55.940 So he started unbuttoning the bottom button.
00:33:59.000 That started a trend that persists to this day.
00:34:01.520 Today, if a man buttons the bottom button of his jacket, he looks like a total schlub,
00:34:05.900 like a joker who broke into his grandpa's closet and doesn't know how to dress.
00:34:09.840 That remains the universal rule.
00:34:12.860 That just began because Edward VII was kind of fat.
00:34:16.360 We follow the leader.
00:34:17.720 That's what it is.
00:34:19.460 And that is an important lesson, not just about politics, but about human nature.
00:34:25.140 Yeah, if the next president is a booze hound, you're going to see those numbers jump up through the roof again.
00:34:30.000 If the next president is a pothead or, I don't know, whatever his vices, whatever his virtues,
00:34:37.700 we're going to see that emulated throughout society, which is why it is important,
00:34:45.200 Pace, liberals, ideologues, libertarians.
00:34:48.240 It's why it's important to elect our leaders and elevate people in our culture in a holistic way.
00:34:56.700 It's why we have to be very serious.
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00:36:23.480 My favorite comment yesterday is from Joe Beaudet, who said, hold on.
00:36:29.080 Now, I didn't pick this comment.
00:36:30.320 So this was picked by the producers.
00:36:32.940 I don't know if I agree with it.
00:36:34.380 I'm just, I'm reading, I'm reading it now for the first time.
00:36:38.260 It says, male cheerleading is possibly the single gayest thing I've ever heard of.
00:36:41.820 I'm so glad I'm a hockey fan.
00:36:42.840 I don't agree with that.
00:36:43.980 I don't agree with it.
00:36:44.640 So that's not my favorite comment.
00:36:47.040 George Bush was a cheerleader.
00:36:49.200 It's, I'm, look, I'm not even, I was not a cheerleader.
00:36:51.760 I wasn't on the football team either.
00:36:53.200 You'd be shocked to find out.
00:36:54.420 But I'm not even totally opposed to male cheerleaders.
00:36:57.960 Because I don't know, don't you need a male cheerleader to do some of the stuff where you
00:37:00.940 lift the cute little girls in their short skirts up?
00:37:03.440 Don't, and you have to like throw them in the air.
00:37:04.700 And I don't know, you probably need some strength for that.
00:37:06.880 The issue with, with the male cheerleaders on the NFL teams that they're adding is one,
00:37:13.240 they are replacing female cheerleaders.
00:37:15.500 That's bad.
00:37:16.680 That, that is kind of gay.
00:37:18.160 And two, they're really effeminate.
00:37:20.280 They're like, they're not wearing like big burly sweaters to like lift up cute girls.
00:37:25.440 They're wearing like these weird tight, it's, it's weird.
00:37:28.220 It's effeminate.
00:37:28.880 It's weird.
00:37:29.200 It's gross.
00:37:29.440 So that's the problem.
00:37:30.560 But I disagree with that comment.
00:37:32.300 Sorry.
00:37:32.700 Sorry, Mr. Davies and Jacob.
00:37:33.900 Okay.
00:37:34.340 Finally, finally, we've arrived at my favorite time of the week when I get to hear from you
00:37:37.960 in the mailbag.
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00:37:44.100 Hello, Michael.
00:37:44.920 My name is Adam and I'm a longtime listener of the show.
00:37:47.360 I'm happy to say that you helped me along in my conversion to the Catholic faith, and
00:37:51.220 I am now a high school theology teacher.
00:37:53.660 One contentious issue that often comes up in the classroom is that of immigration.
00:37:57.860 I remember a number of months ago that you stated that if you were king of the United
00:38:01.460 States, you would grant the illegal immigrants in this country a kind of amnesty where they
00:38:05.880 could remain in America and live in the shadows.
00:38:08.520 However, you now seem to strongly oppose any bipartisan efforts for a policy approximating
00:38:13.340 this.
00:38:14.140 It seems to me that the best way to act in a way that is both just and merciful would
00:38:18.820 be to secure the border and grant amnesty to illegal immigrants who are not committing
00:38:23.400 crimes.
00:38:24.580 My question is, what caused you to change your mind on this issue, and how do you reconcile
00:38:29.260 mass deportation of nonviolent illegal immigrants with Christ's call for mercy?
00:38:34.540 Thank you for all you do for the church, and God bless.
00:38:37.680 Marvelous, marvelous question, but you misunderstand my point.
00:38:40.200 Okay, so I'll take your second question first.
00:38:42.500 You say, how do you reconcile mass deportation with Catholicism?
00:38:46.880 Christ is merciful.
00:38:47.940 Yes, Christ is also just, and Christ tells us to render to Caesar what is Caesar's, and
00:38:53.960 St. Paul tells us in the Bible, which is inerrant, that the civil authority is here for our
00:38:58.120 own good, and God gives it to us, and that's important as a matter of natural justice, and
00:39:02.340 the civil authority doesn't wield the sword in vain.
00:39:03.780 So, when the Bible tells us to be hospitable to the sojourner, to the foreigner who's passing
00:39:10.240 through our lands, yes, we should be hospitable.
00:39:12.640 That's a good thing to do, but that implies that they're going to leave at some point.
00:39:17.040 When they're a sojourner, when they're a foreigner in a foreign land, that implies that they're
00:39:22.080 going to get out of there at some point.
00:39:23.840 It doesn't imply that we have to immediately give them citizenship, set them up with welfare,
00:39:28.640 and look the other way when they commit serious crimes.
00:39:33.460 So, that's the issue.
00:39:34.420 There's no problem deporting illegal aliens.
00:39:36.480 Now, I have said that if you can't get the mass deportations, actually, one way the mass
00:39:43.200 deportations are working is through self-deportation.
00:39:45.320 You had the Center for Immigration Studies study that just came out based on the Bureau of Labor
00:39:50.140 statistics numbers that showed that over 2 million foreigners have left the country
00:39:56.100 since January, and 1.6 million of them are illegal aliens, 1.6 million, that's 10% of
00:40:01.600 a conservative estimate, high-end conservative estimate of the number of illegals in the
00:40:04.760 country.
00:40:05.060 So, you actually are getting a decent amount of mass deportations, mostly through self-deportation.
00:40:10.400 But I did say, I said, look, if you can't actually get rid of all of them, and if most
00:40:14.160 people don't want to, and if it's a political impossibility, there is an option, let them live
00:40:17.680 in the shadows.
00:40:18.760 That is totally different from what you're conflating that with, which is you said, so why do you
00:40:22.620 oppose a bipartisan amnesty plan where you secure the border and give amnesty?
00:40:26.100 We can't give amnesty.
00:40:28.380 Amnesty is a path to citizenship.
00:40:30.560 Amnesty is opening the border because you're creating such a massive incentive for people
00:40:35.560 to continue to cross.
00:40:37.000 I said, if political necessities require it, that I would be okay with them living in the
00:40:44.300 shadows, not having legal status, being at risk of deportation, having to behave.
00:40:51.380 When they commit crimes, they immediately get deported and go to Naive Bukele's Candyland
00:40:56.160 down there in El Salvador.
00:40:57.680 That would be a middle ground.
00:41:00.080 The libs don't want that, though.
00:41:01.520 They need to give them amnesty to eventually give them citizenship, to at least allow their
00:41:05.740 children to have birthright citizenship, because they believe, with some reason, that that
00:41:10.920 will give them a permanent electoral majority.
00:41:12.560 We cannot allow that.
00:41:13.560 Okay, next question.
00:41:14.160 Hi, Michael.
00:41:15.780 Thanks for taking my question.
00:41:17.440 So, I was blessed to have been born into a fourth-generation Christian home, but despite
00:41:20.960 the biblical foundation, I realized after I got married how manipulative my mother is.
00:41:25.820 She would advise me to actively undermine my husband's authority.
00:41:29.120 Thankfully, I ignored the advice, but now my husband and I have a beautiful one-year-old,
00:41:33.240 and my mom is undermining our authority in front of her.
00:41:36.060 I've confronted her about this, but she says she never undermines her children, but I have
00:41:40.460 multiple examples of her undermining me and my siblings.
00:41:43.900 What do I do?
00:41:45.180 Thanks.
00:41:46.000 What do you mean by undermine authority?
00:41:47.420 Do you mean like a passing comment?
00:41:49.840 You know, you say one thing, and the mother-in-law says, oh, come on, dear, give it away.
00:41:53.720 Come on, don't, no, you don't mean that, or whatever.
00:41:55.620 Or do you mean like, okay, Sally, you can't have any candy, and then grandma gives her candy.
00:42:01.800 Or do you mean like, okay, Sally, we believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven
00:42:05.540 and earth, and then, you know, your mother-in-law or your mother says, no, we're Buddhists
00:42:09.800 or something, no, because I don't know.
00:42:11.060 Those are different degrees of undermining authority.
00:42:14.040 But in any case, you need to draw those boundaries.
00:42:19.080 You have to do it in charity, with reverence for your mother.
00:42:21.220 I wouldn't just cut her out entirely.
00:42:22.940 I wouldn't tell her she can't see her grandkids.
00:42:25.080 I wouldn't quite go that far.
00:42:27.600 But I would say, hey, it's very important.
00:42:29.540 We're pretty, we keep it pretty trad around here, okay?
00:42:33.500 It's in the tiny things that the rot begins, and we have an orderly household, and we're going
00:42:38.260 to maintain an orderly household, and kids are sponges, and they soak up everything.
00:42:41.880 And so, if you're not willing to behave in the appropriate way in the house, we're going
00:42:47.760 to have to put some guardrails on that.
00:42:51.920 And, you know, maybe the kid's not going to go spend the weekend with grandma.
00:42:54.780 And maybe we're not going to, maybe they're going to have to be some consequences.
00:42:59.820 Maybe, you know, if you keep undermining the parents' authority, maybe we're going to have
00:43:07.200 to have maybe visit once a week, not three times a week, once a month.
00:43:11.020 Not, you know, you're going to, you have to draw those lines.
00:43:13.620 You have to do it with love.
00:43:14.520 You have to do it with great respect for your mother.
00:43:15.920 You have to do it with all these things that you're commanded to do.
00:43:18.300 But, to quote the head butler on the first season of The Crown, it's in the little things
00:43:24.520 that the rot begins, and you have to draw a firm line.
00:43:26.980 The household is not a democracy.
00:43:29.100 It's not even like a modern American democracy where foreigners come in and they get a vote
00:43:33.580 all of a sudden.
00:43:34.480 It's a, it's a, it's a monarchy.
00:43:38.340 And there's a paterfamilias, your husband, you know, and, and you are, you know, have a role
00:43:44.760 in running this household and, you know, in, to, to use the modern political line,
00:43:51.360 cuius regio, eius religio, you know, whose reign, his religion.
00:43:54.620 It's, you, you have a lot of authority here and, and your religion happens to be one that
00:43:59.900 is, I guess, ostensibly shared by your mother.
00:44:02.520 So she's, she should agree.
00:44:04.240 And if, if she's not doing that, you just have to gently insist upon boundaries.
00:44:09.300 Okay.
00:44:09.680 Next question.
00:44:10.980 Hey, Michael, as a practicing Orthodox Jew, I find it quite
00:44:14.700 difficult to hear you praise the likes of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella and the
00:44:18.880 Crusaders.
00:44:20.040 May their memories be blotted out.
00:44:22.460 In addition, you seem to take very lightly the Jews' historical and or theological claims
00:44:30.120 to the land, all of this stemming from what it seems is your lack of belief that the Jews
00:44:34.560 are still the chosen nation or special in any way, shape, or form.
00:44:38.720 A cursory reading of the Bible will make it clear beyond any shadow of a doubt.
00:44:44.700 That God has chosen the Jewish people as his chosen nation and that he proclaims many,
00:44:50.420 many, many, many times throughout the Torah, throughout the prophets, that he will never
00:44:54.940 go back on his promise, even if the Jews send under any circumstances.
00:44:59.820 So how do you reconcile these things?
00:45:02.480 Thank you.
00:45:02.820 Sure.
00:45:03.580 Okay.
00:45:03.740 I'll try to take them all.
00:45:04.840 I'll try to hit all of those points.
00:45:06.340 Well, you know, Christians believe that Christ does not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill
00:45:11.980 the law such that God does fulfill his promises to the Jewish people, not merely in a carnal
00:45:18.980 and terrestrial way, but even in a spiritual way in the person of Christ, who is a king,
00:45:25.340 but he's the king of kings who saves the Jewish people.
00:45:28.740 He actually saves the whole world because the people, the Israelites of the Old Testament
00:45:34.160 are a particular people set apart, and also they are a type of all of mankind.
00:45:41.300 So that's how Christians understand the Bible.
00:45:44.320 This doesn't mean that God no longer has a plan for the Jewish people, as you suggest
00:45:47.840 that I believe.
00:45:48.540 I don't believe that.
00:45:49.420 God certainly does have a plan for the Jewish people.
00:45:51.760 But God fulfills his promises in the church.
00:45:54.860 So that would be why I don't believe in Zionism, which is a 19th century ideology.
00:45:59.880 It's not even as though Zionism is some, you know, ancient, intrinsic aspect of rabbinic
00:46:05.880 Judaism.
00:46:06.200 It's an ideology that comes up after nationalism and which makes religious and historical claims
00:46:12.680 to the land, which is ironic because the initial concept of the state of Israel was that
00:46:17.200 it would be secular and that it would be socialist.
00:46:18.840 But in any case, so that's why I don't agree with that.
00:46:22.060 In fact, I don't agree with most modern nationalist ideologies because I think modernity took a
00:46:26.960 wrong turn.
00:46:28.220 So yeah, I don't believe in those sorts of claims.
00:46:32.080 I do, however, think that the Jewish people are a special people set apart, even as a tribe.
00:46:37.440 So I do think they are set apart and it would be great, you know, to bring them on over
00:46:43.600 to Holy Mother Church and you're welcome anytime.
00:46:45.300 The defense of the Crusades and Ferdinand and Isabella is not because, you know, on the
00:46:52.980 Crusades in the Rhineland, you know, Jews were massacred.
00:46:55.480 That was quite bad.
00:46:57.000 The Pope said so at the time.
00:46:58.920 But that's not the whole story of the Crusades.
00:47:00.720 That's a relatively minor, though unfortunate, incident that occurred in the Crusades.
00:47:05.020 But the Crusades were about something much, much more.
00:47:07.920 Ferdinand and Isabella ended the Reconquista, you know, finally booted the Muslims out of Iberia.
00:47:12.980 The Muslims had been there for like 600 years, more than, sorry, like 800 years.
00:47:17.780 And also sent Columbus to discover the Western Hemisphere.
00:47:21.340 So again, that's not, they expelled the Jews.
00:47:23.860 And if I were a Jew, I'd be pretty salty about that too.
00:47:26.220 But there's much more to the story of Ferdinand and Isabella.
00:47:29.360 So that would be the issue.
00:47:31.080 I suppose, yeah, I suppose I have the least popular view of all these days, which is that
00:47:36.020 I don't go along with modern ideologies or even modern theological views, most of which
00:47:42.240 come from the 19th century.
00:47:44.000 Pretty trad and, you know, pretty traditional in my religious views.
00:47:48.380 But I also like the Jews, which is also unpopular these days.
00:47:52.240 So I don't know, I have the least popular view of all.
00:47:55.320 But anyway, there you have it.
00:47:56.500 And I like the Crusades and I like Ferdinand and Isabella.
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