The Michael Knowles Show


Ep. 1795 - The Confusing Trump-Putin Meeting Explained In 5 Minutes


Summary

Trump and Putin's Alaska summit raises more questions than answers. What did the meeting mean, and why is everyone so confused about it? Plus, what s going on with the dinosaur juice? And why are the critics so angry?


Transcript

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00:00:30.000 President Trump met with Vladimir Putin in Alaska on Friday.
00:00:35.480 He's meeting with Zelensky and European leaders at the White House today.
00:00:39.300 The Ukraine war, which has been going on for 11 years,
00:00:42.720 maybe you've forgotten it's been going on forever,
00:00:45.700 it might finally end in a peace deal.
00:00:49.700 Except that the aforementioned Alaska summit raised more questions than answers.
00:00:56.120 President Trump warmly embraced Putin on the tarmac.
00:00:58.780 But then the summit did not end in the ceasefire that Trump went in demanding.
00:01:04.500 And the summit ended abruptly. Everyone actually left before lunch.
00:01:07.940 But before they all left, the two leaders held a press conference
00:01:10.960 in which they sounded as upbeat as they could be.
00:01:14.180 Putin and Trump once again praised each other.
00:01:16.760 And Putin claimed that they'd reached an agreement before Trump said that they didn't.
00:01:20.580 And now everyone is confused.
00:01:24.800 But the fact that everyone's confused should not be confusing,
00:01:28.500 as it apparently is to the entire media and the political class.
00:01:32.660 Because everyone's scratching their heads.
00:01:34.100 What did the summit mean? Why? What is that? What happened?
00:01:36.160 I don't even know what to think about it.
00:01:38.220 If you've paid any attention at all to the president over the past decade,
00:01:42.220 you will notice that, unlike most politicians,
00:01:45.660 confusion is precisely the context in which Trump loves to negotiate.
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00:03:10.600 Speaking of dinosaur juice, we turn up to Alaska, the much anticipated Trump-Putin meeting face-to-face on U.S. soil.
00:03:23.040 Well, liberals are furious about this.
00:03:26.820 And Trump's consistent critics on the right, they're inconsistent in their support of Trump,
00:03:31.720 but they're consistent in just always trying to take cheap jabs.
00:03:34.540 They're furious too.
00:03:35.960 Why?
00:03:37.420 Here's the reason.
00:03:38.020 Here's what happened.
00:03:39.000 Here's the too-long-didn't-read brief of the Alaska summit.
00:03:43.260 President Trump went in saying we need a ceasefire if there are going to be further negotiations.
00:03:47.240 He left without the ceasefire, but saying there are future negotiations.
00:03:51.400 Trump is not threatening any further sanctions on Russia.
00:03:54.780 There are already sanctions on Russia, but he's not threatening further sanctions on Russia.
00:03:58.120 And he seemed friendly to Putin.
00:04:01.020 That's on the one side.
00:04:02.220 That's what the libs are furious about.
00:04:03.620 Then there's something kind of strange, which is that Trump seems to be insisting on security guarantees for Ukraine.
00:04:11.480 So that any deal to end the war in Ukraine will involve security guarantees like we have with NATO.
00:04:17.340 With NATO, if a NATO member is attacked, Article 5 of NATO says that all the other NATO countries are going to go in and defend that country as if it were attack on their own countries.
00:04:26.580 So we're going to have security guarantees in Ukraine, but Ukraine's not going to be in NATO.
00:04:33.720 But we're going to act as though it is in NATO, and Putin's kind of happy because he didn't insist on a ceasefire, but what?
00:04:45.240 What is happening here?
00:04:47.740 Okay, first I want to take on the critics.
00:04:50.380 People saying that this is a terrible strategy.
00:04:52.480 Trump shouldn't have invited Putin to America, to Alaska, which is right next to Russia.
00:04:56.900 Trump shouldn't have warmly embraced him.
00:04:58.540 He shouldn't have literally rolled out the red carpet.
00:05:00.660 He shouldn't have spoken in a diplomatic way.
00:05:02.980 He shouldn't, he shouldn't, he shouldn't, he shouldn't.
00:05:05.740 Okay, I said earlier, the war's been going on for 11 years.
00:05:10.360 We've been adversaries with Russia for 80 years at this point.
00:05:15.800 My first question to all of Trump's critics and whiners and complainers,
00:05:20.340 what is the evidence that the opposite strategy has worked?
00:05:25.880 What is the evidence?
00:05:28.360 Trump rolled out the red carpet.
00:05:29.620 Obama would never have done that.
00:05:30.980 McCain, not McCain, Biden.
00:05:32.980 Never would have done that.
00:05:34.240 McCain also talked up on Russia.
00:05:35.780 So and so would never have done that.
00:05:38.740 Okay.
00:05:40.220 Did the Obama strategy work?
00:05:42.460 We'll get to the Obama strategy in a second.
00:05:44.720 I don't think it worked.
00:05:45.820 Did the Biden strategy work?
00:05:47.060 I don't think so.
00:05:47.620 The definition of madness is pursuing the same thing again and again and again and expecting different results.
00:05:55.640 Even get down to the clarity versus confusion point.
00:06:00.940 There were clear goals for this meeting.
00:06:02.720 We need a ceasefire.
00:06:03.780 We need this.
00:06:04.260 We need that.
00:06:04.780 And we didn't get them.
00:06:05.640 And yet we are.
00:06:06.860 Trump is kind of doubling back and we are getting more negotiations.
00:06:09.440 And so Lindsay's coming to the White House.
00:06:10.440 And what?
00:06:13.080 Well, sure.
00:06:13.980 You got really clear red lines under Barack Obama.
00:06:17.660 Obama was the president of the red line.
00:06:20.960 Remember, he drew the red line and then his enemies crossed the red line and then he didn't do anything about it.
00:06:25.300 And he looked ridiculous and America looked weak.
00:06:27.080 But there was a lot of clarity in Obama's negotiations.
00:06:30.920 With Trump, it is confusing.
00:06:32.500 I'm a big Trump supporter, but it's very confusing.
00:06:35.540 People don't know what to make of this.
00:06:38.200 I think the takeaway is just that.
00:06:41.320 Trump loves to negotiate from confusion.
00:06:43.860 I'll give you a clear example of this.
00:06:47.580 Look at how Trump is negotiating all the trade deals.
00:06:50.500 Think of all the chaos that's ensued.
00:06:52.280 The volatility to the bond markets, to the stock market generally.
00:06:57.080 Look at Liberation Day.
00:07:00.020 He institutes these blanket tariffs on the entire world.
00:07:03.520 And what does he base the tariffs on?
00:07:06.080 Does he base the tariffs on really clear economic factors that have a really clear relationship to the health of our trade relationship?
00:07:15.800 Things like, I don't know, a nation illegally subsidizing its steel industry like China did.
00:07:21.460 Or a nation stealing intellectual property like China does.
00:07:24.760 Or a nation devaluing its currency like China does, manipulating its currency.
00:07:30.700 No.
00:07:31.700 Trump tied the tariffs to trade deficits.
00:07:35.460 Maybe the most dubious economic indicator.
00:07:39.300 Because trade deficits can be bad.
00:07:41.320 Trade deficits can be neutral.
00:07:42.900 Trade deficits can be good.
00:07:44.160 It's totally unclear.
00:07:46.840 And for certain nations that just can't possibly produce things that we're going to buy in large quantities, the trade deficits don't really mean much of anything.
00:07:56.600 What's our trade deficit with Mauritius?
00:07:58.260 What's our trade deficit with some tiny little countries?
00:08:01.780 Why does that matter?
00:08:03.080 Some people said, Trump's a madman.
00:08:04.400 He's economically illiterate.
00:08:05.460 He has no idea what he's doing.
00:08:06.360 And yet, look at the conclusion of all those trade deals.
00:08:11.360 Bond market recovered just fine.
00:08:12.820 The stock market recovered just fine.
00:08:14.800 We didn't get the massive inflation that all the panic ends were predicting.
00:08:17.940 And we got really good trade deals.
00:08:19.720 We got a great trade deal with Europe, which was not even primarily about the trade.
00:08:23.020 It was mostly about the zillions of dollars of investment that they were promising to us, all in exchange for basically nothing.
00:08:28.360 Good trade deals with the United Kingdom, good trade deals all over the world, China, all over the world.
00:08:36.500 I think that those two facts are not disconnected.
00:08:40.840 I think the fact that Trump's negotiations were extremely confusing and he focused in on the most dubious and obscure economic marker, namely trade deficits.
00:08:51.440 I think that was part of the point because it meant that his adherents thought he was a crazy person or he didn't know what he wanted.
00:08:57.060 And they certainly didn't know what he wanted.
00:08:58.780 And it just gave him the upper hand.
00:09:00.460 I think that's how he does this.
00:09:02.740 And you can say, well, I disagree with that strategy.
00:09:04.260 I don't like that strategy.
00:09:04.940 But it's clearly his strategy.
00:09:06.580 He loves negotiating from confusion.
00:09:08.360 And so if he makes a bunch of demands and dangles out a bunch of promises, some of which conflict, and he's talking to Putin in one way and he's talking to Zelensky in the other way, he's talking to Europe in another way.
00:09:18.680 And then he just brings them all together.
00:09:20.360 I think Trump's idea is if I win them all over to my side, then I'll be able to work it out in the end.
00:09:29.680 And not everybody's going to get what they want, but I'll be able to work something out.
00:09:32.200 I think that's clearly what's going on.
00:09:33.660 And for all of Trump's critics, the consistent malcontents on the right, and especially for his critics on the left, I would just say, look, he's been pursuing this kind of strategy for 10 years.
00:09:46.480 It's worked the vast majority of the time, almost all the time.
00:09:52.900 What's your evidence that it's not going to work now?
00:09:54.600 Is this another, the walls are closing in, the sky is falling.
00:09:56.780 Oh, no, this is it.
00:09:57.600 They've got him now.
00:09:58.340 It's Mueller time.
00:09:59.020 Give me a break.
00:09:59.520 Now, they did hold this press.
00:10:02.840 It was weird.
00:10:03.460 I mean, they ended the thing early.
00:10:04.640 They didn't go to lunch.
00:10:05.400 They still held this press conference.
00:10:07.160 There was a very, very telling moment at the press conference as to how things are going to go moving forward.
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00:11:39.520 After the bizarre meeting, it was an hour and a half meeting.
00:11:43.020 Everyone looked kind of confused and upset after the meeting.
00:11:45.640 But here is the triumphant press conference between Putin and Trump.
00:11:50.680 Today, when President Trump saying that if he was the president back then, there will be no war.
00:11:56.000 And I'm quite sure that it would indeed be so.
00:11:59.440 I can confirm that.
00:12:00.980 I love this line here.
00:12:02.960 This was kind of a throwaway line, but it was really significant.
00:12:05.580 Putin says, look, Trump has claimed that had he been president, had Biden not been installed as president, we would never have invaded Ukraine.
00:12:16.340 He goes, I can confirm that.
00:12:17.960 The war would not have broken out had Trump remained president.
00:12:20.900 Now, some people are going to say, well, Putin is just flattering Trump.
00:12:26.820 He's just buttering him up because he's got him just where he wants him.
00:12:31.740 And he's getting all these concessions from Trump.
00:12:33.880 And this is it.
00:12:34.700 Trump is so gullible to believe all this stuff.
00:12:38.420 That is not flattery.
00:12:39.600 What Putin just did to Trump is not flattery.
00:12:42.320 I once had a very insightful diplomat explain to me the difference between flattery and diplomacy.
00:12:47.400 Flattery is when you lie to someone to ingratiate yourself to that person and to butter him up.
00:12:53.600 Diplomacy is when you say true things, but only the good, positive-sounding true things.
00:13:01.200 But there's a big, big difference.
00:13:02.920 Flattery is lies.
00:13:04.220 Diplomacy is the truth, even if it's often a partial truth.
00:13:07.260 What Putin just said is obviously true.
00:13:12.820 What's the evidence?
00:13:15.540 Putin invades a country on George Bush's watch, invades Georgia.
00:13:19.540 Then he invades a country on Obama's watch, invades Crimea.
00:13:23.620 Then he stops invading countries on Trump's watch.
00:13:27.960 Then Biden becomes president.
00:13:29.380 He goes further into Ukraine.
00:13:32.100 That's just what happened.
00:13:33.360 So when Putin says, yeah, I wouldn't have done it had Trump remained president, there's good cause to believe that that's true.
00:13:42.060 There is another apparent protocol breach here, which is that Putin spoke first at the press conference.
00:13:47.380 Usually the American president would speak first, American soil at this guy.
00:13:50.220 But Putin spoke first.
00:13:51.300 Again, Trump's critics are going to say, he gave Putin just what he wanted.
00:13:56.980 He gave him legitimacy on the national stage.
00:13:58.680 He gave him deference.
00:13:59.540 He gave him this.
00:14:00.040 He gave him that.
00:14:00.880 I say, what's your evidence that the opposite strategy has worked?
00:14:07.640 Obama talked a real tough game on Russia, and Russia ran roughshod over Obama.
00:14:14.100 George Bush talked a tough game on Russia.
00:14:16.080 Eventually, initially, he was trying to do the Trumpy diplomatic strategy.
00:14:19.480 Then he talked tougher on Russia.
00:14:21.300 Russia ran roughshod over Bush.
00:14:23.800 Russia ran roughshod.
00:14:25.220 Joe Biden talked the toughest game on Russia.
00:14:28.360 And Russia flicked their finger under their chin, and they invaded a country under Biden.
00:14:32.820 And Biden was impotent.
00:14:36.060 So if you got one strategy, which is talk really tough and then look weak, then act in a weak way,
00:14:41.420 and you got another strategy, which is talk nice, speak softly but carry a big stick,
00:14:46.060 it seems to me the Trump strategy is at least worth a shot.
00:14:49.920 The other ones have failed spectacularly.
00:14:52.420 Obviously, the Trump strategy is worth a shot.
00:14:54.800 It's just called a little bit of diplomacy, okay?
00:14:57.280 I think Trump's earned some grace on that.
00:15:00.360 Trump's enemies, they don't know what to make of it.
00:15:02.440 They can't really criticize any particular aspect of the conference because it's just unclear even what happened.
00:15:08.980 So what they've honed in on, did you see this headline?
00:15:11.620 What they've honed in on, this is a headline from NVR.
00:15:14.920 Government papers found in an Alaskan hotel reveal new details of the Trump-Putin summit.
00:15:21.440 These idiots, these idiot Trump administration people, they left documents from the summit printed in a hotel.
00:15:29.620 Oh, what a security breach.
00:15:31.660 What a bunch of nincompoops.
00:15:33.840 Oh, this is an international incident, a geopolitical disaster.
00:15:40.160 Okay, what were the documents?
00:15:42.300 Let's see, what new details of the Trump-Putin summit were revealed?
00:15:46.920 Well, we have the documents right here.
00:15:48.360 I have them.
00:15:49.240 They're screenshots, but I have them right here.
00:15:50.620 They are.
00:15:51.440 First one, it's a list of Russia participants and U.S. participants.
00:15:57.920 And who's on the Russian list?
00:15:59.240 First, the Minister of Defense, the Minister of Finance, and the Representative for Economic Cooperation.
00:16:09.020 Is that like a state secret?
00:16:11.460 The Minister of Defense came to the peace summit.
00:16:14.040 Is that like a big, wow, new details.
00:16:16.580 What about the U.S. participants?
00:16:17.840 This is my favorite one.
00:16:19.720 U.S. participants.
00:16:22.260 President Donald Trump, Secretary of State Rubio, Treasury Secretary Scott Besson.
00:16:29.600 Stop the presses!
00:16:31.340 Stop!
00:16:31.800 Hold on!
00:16:33.200 Two big stories here.
00:16:35.560 The President of the United States went to the U.S. summit in Alaska, and they, now we know that, because there is a document.
00:16:45.360 It doesn't seem like a big state secret to me.
00:16:47.400 What about the other document?
00:16:49.420 Michael, Michael, Michael.
00:16:50.980 Admit that there was another document left in the printer.
00:16:53.760 That's true.
00:16:54.880 It was the lunch menu.
00:16:56.000 This is, I hope I don't get in trouble with the FBI, CIA, NSA for revealing highly classified information.
00:17:05.180 The first course was going to be a green salad with champagne vinaigrette dressing.
00:17:08.980 Does that, we can blur this out in post-production.
00:17:12.580 If that's going to imperil United States interests around the world, then I, then we can blur out the fact that they were going to have sourdough bread with rosemary lemon butter.
00:17:21.780 And then filet mignon with, ooh, with brandy peppercorn sauce?
00:17:25.340 That's spicy.
00:17:27.160 Or halibut?
00:17:29.240 And if we're dessert, a creme brulee.
00:17:30.800 Whoa.
00:17:32.840 Whoa, that's big stuff.
00:17:35.300 We need to, can we redact that menu, please?
00:17:37.160 They got nothing.
00:17:37.800 They have nothing.
00:17:39.220 They have nothing really to attack in the summit.
00:17:41.360 This, I think, in part is, is, is also Trump's strategy.
00:17:44.860 You just leave things a little bit up in the air.
00:17:47.540 It's hard for your enemies, not just your enemies in Russia to pin you down, but your enemies in the U.S. press.
00:17:53.680 I don't, I don't know who poses a greater threat to U.S. interests.
00:17:57.120 Before we move on from, from Russia, though, one last bit.
00:18:00.480 Because there's a meme going around, and all the libs were posting it.
00:18:05.980 It's a picture of Obama and Putin.
00:18:08.800 And Obama's looking real tough.
00:18:10.980 He's meeting Putin.
00:18:12.660 He's looking real tough.
00:18:14.500 And the tweet says, just for those who may be a little confused, this is how an American president should treat Putin.
00:18:24.820 This, look at Obama.
00:18:25.980 He looks all tough.
00:18:27.900 Trump, he shook Putin's hand and smiled, but Obama's looking all tough.
00:18:32.120 Allow me to transport you back in time, especially the liberals who have no memory.
00:18:40.200 Here's a piece from April 2016.
00:18:42.120 It's called The Obama Doctrine, written by Jeffrey Goldberg.
00:18:44.620 Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic, of The Atlantic, a liberal magazine.
00:18:48.220 Jeffrey Goldberg was the liberal journalist who was caught up in that Signal chat fiasco.
00:18:53.340 Okay, look how thick, for those of you who are watching, you can see how thick the Obama,
00:18:57.480 this is probably the definitive piece on Barack Obama's geopolitical foreign policy doctrine.
00:19:04.780 Here is Jeffrey Goldberg quoting Obama.
00:19:07.740 Just a few little excerpts.
00:19:09.040 This piece is very, very long.
00:19:11.400 Quoting Obama.
00:19:13.440 Putin acted in Ukraine in response to a client state that was about to slip out of his grasp.
00:19:18.620 And he improvised in a way to hang on to his control there.
00:19:21.720 Pause right there.
00:19:22.480 The liberals are criticizing Trump for engaging in realpolitik and recognizing that Russia has a
00:19:31.220 traditional sphere of influence and that Ukraine was not the most independent, free, liberal,
00:19:37.100 democratic state in the history of the world, but was rather a client of two great powers.
00:19:42.980 One being the regional power of Russia, and then after the Maidan in 2014 of the United States.
00:19:48.680 That's the criticism.
00:19:49.600 You're not treating Ukraine like an independent country, the beacon of democracy and liberalism
00:19:54.340 and independence.
00:19:55.020 Well, hold on.
00:19:55.360 Here's Obama quoted by an ally of his, Jeffrey Goldberg, in the Atlantic.
00:20:01.000 Putin acted in Ukraine in response to a client state that was about to slip out of his grasp,
00:20:04.700 meaning Ukraine was a client state of Russia, and it was slipping out of his grasp
00:20:10.520 because of US involvement, because the CIA was on the ground after the Maidan revolution that we
00:20:16.500 funded because Russia was going to lose Ukraine to the United States.
00:20:22.860 Russia was much more powerful when Ukraine looked like an independent country, but was
00:20:28.240 a kleptocracy that he could pull the strings on.
00:20:31.160 Okay.
00:20:31.960 Yep.
00:20:32.340 Russia has this major interest in Ukraine.
00:20:34.620 And then Goldberg goes on.
00:20:36.160 Obama's theory here is simple.
00:20:37.680 Ukraine is a core Russian interest, but not an American one.
00:20:41.480 So Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.
00:20:47.920 People are attacking Trump because they're saying he's making America look weak.
00:20:50.920 He's weakening the American empire.
00:20:53.380 He, Trump is not, you know, just remember World War II when we won everything and the
00:20:59.100 other side didn't concede anything.
00:21:00.580 We dominated the whole globe and every conflict is supposed to be like that.
00:21:03.360 We're giving in, we're recognizing that the Russians might have a say in countries around
00:21:09.320 their own.
00:21:10.800 That's weakness.
00:21:12.500 That's a betrayal of democracy.
00:21:15.260 Well, Obama said the same exact thing.
00:21:17.040 He said the same thing quoted by an ally of his in the liberal magazine.
00:21:21.520 The fact that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military
00:21:26.100 domination by Russia, no matter what we do.
00:21:30.640 That's what the fact is, according to Barack Obama.
00:21:34.200 Ukraine, non-NATO country, are going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia,
00:21:38.000 no matter what we do.
00:21:40.500 That's what Trump is saying.
00:21:41.380 When Trump is sitting in the Oval Office, he says, you guys don't have the cards.
00:21:44.080 And the liberals all attack him.
00:21:45.420 How dare you?
00:21:46.040 You're betraying the great democracy that we could save Ukraine if we would only give
00:21:49.780 him a little more money.
00:21:51.200 Obama said you can't.
00:21:53.400 Obama said the same thing Trump said.
00:21:56.040 I asked Obama whether his position on Ukraine was realistic or fatalistic.
00:21:59.760 It's realistic.
00:22:01.040 But this is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests
00:22:03.960 are and what we're willing to go to war for.
00:22:05.680 This is exactly the Trump point.
00:22:07.780 This is exactly the J.D.
00:22:08.840 Vance point.
00:22:09.280 This is exactly what the conservatives and the Republicans are saying right now that we're
00:22:13.180 being pilloried by the liberal media for.
00:22:16.460 You forgot Jeffrey Goldberg.
00:22:17.940 This wasn't even that long ago.
00:22:18.900 This was nine years ago.
00:22:19.700 The Obama, this was the doctrine.
00:22:24.780 What's the difference?
00:22:26.420 The liberals all cheered Obama for articulating the exact same views that Trump and Vance
00:22:31.180 are articulating right now.
00:22:32.620 The only difference is that the Trump administration has actually had success advancing them.
00:22:38.800 That's the only difference.
00:22:39.760 They're speaking the same way.
00:22:41.040 The only difference is Obama couldn't actually put those views into effect.
00:22:47.100 He failed on foreign policy spectacularly.
00:22:50.500 And Trump has succeeded.
00:22:52.580 That's the only difference.
00:22:53.720 Remember, you guys did like, you know, you liked it.
00:22:56.140 Remember when you liked it?
00:22:57.040 Now the libs are, they're getting very confused.
00:22:58.780 Because you remember the libs before the election, they were talking about how we need to defend
00:23:03.960 the Constitution, Trump's threat to the Constitution, an existential threat to our democracy.
00:23:10.160 And now they're changing their tune.
00:23:13.300 They're actually calling on a New York Times podcast for the abolition of the U.S. Senate
00:23:19.340 and the packing of the U.S. Supreme Court and a complete rewriting of the Constitution.
00:23:24.360 It's amazing.
00:23:25.440 Wow.
00:23:26.340 What changed between October and today?
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00:24:50.980 Now, we must defend our sacred institutions, our democracy, our constitution.
00:24:58.620 That was the liberal line, October 2024.
00:25:03.060 Now, we turn to Osita Noanivu, who has a new book, The Right of the People, Democracy,
00:25:09.640 and the Case for a New American Founding, explaining what the left is thinking today.
00:25:15.920 I think it's time for us to consider, you know, the extent the people are angry about
00:25:19.540 Donald Trump, again, what are the elements of the system that allow Donald Trump to rise
00:25:24.380 as a political figure and that have sustained them?
00:25:25.960 I think they're, to an ironic extent, some of the elements that the founders hoped would
00:25:31.260 prevent somebody like Donald Trump from coming into power.
00:25:33.700 Now, actually, something that's being acted upon in states across the country to move to
00:25:38.200 a national popular vote by interstate compact without needing a constitutional amendment.
00:25:43.540 I mean, the amendment process itself is one of the things that needs amending very, very
00:25:47.140 hard.
00:25:47.600 I've advocated in the past for adding new states to the Senate.
00:25:52.000 I think that there is an ideological imbalance now for all kinds of reasons.
00:25:56.000 Or to make ODC, the territories.
00:25:59.480 So, right.
00:26:00.200 So, an ideal Senate.
00:26:01.480 Or would there be a Senate at all?
00:26:03.100 Well, that's another question.
00:26:04.560 That's another question.
00:26:05.360 I mean, I think that's worth exploring, kind of radical idea, but it's an argument that
00:26:09.280 you have to make on the basis of getting people to understand not only that the system is
00:26:12.880 not democratic, but, like, what is the value of democracy actually to begin with?
00:26:18.020 I love it.
00:26:21.660 Libs, October 2024.
00:26:23.620 We have to defend our democracy.
00:26:25.680 Trump is an existential threat to democracy.
00:26:28.900 Libs, after the democracy elects Trump.
00:26:31.020 I mean, what's the value of democracy anyway?
00:26:32.880 You know, what's the value of that democracy?
00:26:36.000 I hate that democracy.
00:26:38.680 Libs, October 2024.
00:26:41.540 Our sacred constitution is imperiled, and we need to defend that beautiful, precious piece
00:26:48.520 of parchment.
00:26:50.300 Libs, Libs, did I burn the thing to the ground?
00:26:52.260 Light that vellum on fire?
00:26:53.680 I hate the constitution.
00:26:54.740 We need a new one.
00:26:57.000 Yeah.
00:26:57.600 Oh, okay.
00:26:58.260 Wow.
00:26:58.480 What changed?
00:26:59.980 Oh.
00:27:00.460 All the things you said that you were defending actually chose to keep you out of power and
00:27:09.420 to put your enemy into power.
00:27:11.560 And so now, all the things you previously said you wanted to defend, you want to destroy.
00:27:17.760 Even, the Libs have had it out for the Supreme Court for a while.
00:27:21.340 They previously loved the Supreme Court when the Supreme Court was just inventing new supposed
00:27:25.640 rights.
00:27:26.000 It's when the Supreme Court invents the right to kill babies, then the Supreme Court needs
00:27:29.940 to be the ultimate political institution in the country.
00:27:34.300 They need to dominate the legislature and the executive.
00:27:37.000 It's all about the court.
00:27:38.300 The court is the final say.
00:27:39.640 When the court is redefining marriage based on thin air, then the court is the final word
00:27:45.000 and the president and the legislature can go stuff it.
00:27:47.340 But when the court starts to overrule Roe v. Wade, all of a sudden, the court needs to
00:27:52.640 be packed.
00:27:53.560 When the court starts to question transgenderism or whatever, the court needs to be destroyed.
00:27:59.320 So what about the legislature?
00:28:00.820 The Libs at least love the legislature, right?
00:28:02.480 It's so democratic.
00:28:03.200 It's the most democratic part of the government.
00:28:05.400 We need direct election of senators.
00:28:07.920 We need to empower the legislature.
00:28:10.180 We want the House and the Congress, the Senate rather, to dominate the other two branches.
00:28:17.860 Except when the Republicans control both houses.
00:28:20.240 Now we need to abolish the Senate.
00:28:21.400 We need to seriously think very hard.
00:28:23.280 That's a radical idea.
00:28:24.120 We need to think about abolishing the Senate.
00:28:25.440 You might notice that the way that the left thinks about politics is purely from ends.
00:28:34.100 The ends are we need power.
00:28:38.000 We need power to do the things that we want to do.
00:28:41.540 And they make procedural arguments about means.
00:28:45.400 And they make procedural arguments about instruments and institutions.
00:28:50.080 But they change on a dime.
00:28:53.260 The Libs opinion of the Senate and the Supreme Court and the Electoral College and the Constitution
00:28:59.780 and all of that will change on a dime based on whether or not those institutions give them power.
00:29:05.260 That's all it's about.
00:29:06.080 And look, there's something to be said for thinking about substantive goods in politics.
00:29:10.560 But the arguments that the left is making right now are completely hypocritical,
00:29:14.640 completely outside the scope of morality, tradition, jurisprudence, the law.
00:29:20.540 It's purely a matter of power.
00:29:24.000 That's it.
00:29:24.760 And the most offensive part of it to me, because look, I've had the left's number on this for a long time.
00:29:29.140 And some people are seeing it now, too.
00:29:30.880 The thing that's most offensive to me is guys like, what's his name?
00:29:33.200 The most offensive part is that he has the temerity to dress and make his voice sound so reasonable.
00:29:44.000 When what he's saying is forget about reason.
00:29:46.640 Forget about reason.
00:29:47.860 Forget about logic.
00:29:48.820 Forget about argumentation.
00:29:50.040 Forget about any guardrails that exist in any ordered political society.
00:29:53.220 We're going to burn this to the ground to get power.
00:29:56.060 But he also, you know, look, I did my tie.
00:29:58.900 I did a foreign hand tie today, which looks a little bit casual.
00:30:01.720 It's kind of prep.
00:30:02.420 And look, I just think it's very important.
00:30:04.440 I mean, if you've studied, if you've read all the books, if you are a reasonable person like me,
00:30:09.200 you need to burn our whole government system to the ground because we lost a single election.
00:30:13.900 And that's not acceptable.
00:30:17.080 Pathetic.
00:30:17.620 Pathetic.
00:30:17.940 Very funny.
00:30:19.140 I mean, what's the value of democracy?
00:30:20.620 Now, also speaking of Ross Douthat's show, that was a clip from New York Times columnist
00:30:24.940 Ross Douthat's show.
00:30:26.620 And there's another clip going viral.
00:30:28.340 Got to tell you, Ross Douthat's great.
00:30:29.440 He's one of my favorite commentators, pundits.
00:30:31.820 But he works for the New York Times, which is awful.
00:30:34.360 New York Times, you got to give the devils their due.
00:30:36.960 They did one smart thing, which is let this guy have a show.
00:30:39.920 And they actually have adapted to the new media space pretty well.
00:30:42.080 Now, he's getting the clicks because he's bringing on voices from the left who are articulate
00:30:48.180 and representative of broader left-wing thinking and extremely radical.
00:30:54.120 He's showing them for what they are in their own words.
00:30:56.580 And nowhere is this clearer than on designer babies.
00:31:00.080 I've been hearing about someday we're going to have designer babies.
00:31:02.080 You're going to be able to order your baby and pick all of the attributes.
00:31:05.860 So, he's going to be tall and good-looking and really smart, really athletic, and really
00:31:11.240 this and really that.
00:31:13.760 But then what happens when you can't afford that?
00:31:16.700 To have the designer baby through this woman's company, Orchid, costs $2,500 per embryo.
00:31:21.480 Not per baby that is born, but per embryo.
00:31:23.820 And that's a big part of this too.
00:31:26.240 What about the people who can't afford that?
00:31:27.880 Now, you're going to have the lower classes are going to have their ugly, stupid babies.
00:31:32.560 And the elite classes are going to have their beautiful, genius, chemically enhanced babies.
00:31:40.080 And you're going to have a horrifying caste system based on money.
00:31:45.560 Talk about subverting democracy and human solidarity.
00:31:49.860 So, Douthat has the founder of this company, Orchid, Noor Siddiqui, on the show.
00:31:55.540 And here's her pitch.
00:31:56.560 What Orchid can do is it gives parents the power to protect their children before pregnancy begins.
00:32:04.380 So, what happens today in IVF centers is that, you know, they're operating essentially almost blind, right?
00:32:12.680 So, this really, really critical decision about which embryo to transfer happens with extremely limited information.
00:32:20.660 So, what happens is that the embryo that looks best under the microscope kind of wins this morphology beauty contest is often the one that's selected.
00:32:29.500 Other times, there's a very limited genetic test that's offered that looks like a tiny fraction of genetic diseases that could affect a future baby.
00:32:36.780 So, Orchid completely changes that.
00:32:39.420 We're the first company in the world that allows parents to actually sequence the entire genome of an embryo.
00:32:44.700 So, it's also sequenced 99% of the bases in an embryo's genome, which allows parents to detect risks for some of the most serious conditions.
00:32:53.820 So, heart defects, birth defects, pediatric cancers, developmental disorders, things that are, you know, massively change the trajectory of a child's life.
00:33:04.540 The vast majority of these diseases don't have cures.
00:33:08.320 So, what's really exciting about this possibility is that, you know, now parents have this ability to protect their children from an entire category of disease that, you know, previously we had to just hope for the best and wish that, you know, our children wouldn't be affected by them.
00:33:28.320 Sounds great, right?
00:33:29.380 You see that phrase, she keeps coming back to protect our children.
00:33:31.920 It allows parents to protect their children before they're born.
00:33:35.360 We're offering protection for children.
00:33:37.260 How?
00:33:38.320 By creating a bunch of people, creating a bunch of embryos in a laboratory, and then slicing off little parts of them and checking their genome.
00:33:51.300 And then, if there's any imperfection, ORCID will, ORCID doesn't actually do this directly, but ORCID makes the recommendation that it's then carried out by other companies, they'll kill them.
00:34:03.500 If there's any imperfection, he's going to be, he's going to have a limp.
00:34:06.380 Hmm, his IQ is only going to be 97.
00:34:10.620 Hmm, he's going to be, he's going to be a little short.
00:34:12.760 He's going to be a little fat.
00:34:14.040 He's going to be, there's something that's a little wrong with him.
00:34:16.460 Kill him.
00:34:17.360 You're going to go kill him.
00:34:18.300 We're, we're just giving you the information and you're going to decide to go kill those children so that you can have the perfect baby who doesn't have any problems.
00:34:24.900 And who knows, I don't, what if the baby accidentally comes out and, you know, he's, his hair is brown instead of blonde.
00:34:31.800 Do they get a refund?
00:34:32.500 Do they get a partial refund?
00:34:33.520 Because what does this cost?
00:34:34.460 This costs 2,500 bucks per embryo to then decide, like your, your Caesar in the Coliseum, thumbs up, thumbs down.
00:34:41.160 Do we kill the baby?
00:34:41.840 Do we let the baby live?
00:34:42.800 It costs 2,500 bucks and your kids and maybe your soul.
00:34:50.880 What does this, what is this?
00:34:53.740 I'll tell you exactly what this is.
00:34:55.100 And it's really ironic.
00:34:57.160 This is the thing that the libs were just criticizing eight days ago.
00:35:01.540 This is eugenics.
00:35:03.720 This is one of the most horrifying forms of eugenics I've ever heard.
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00:35:51.360 My favorite comment on Friday is from Matthew Hubley, 7282, who says,
00:35:55.720 You know you've gone off the rails when Joe Rogan corrects your theology of the canon.
00:35:59.260 You know, Joe Rogan, very, very intelligent guy, very inquisitive, thoughtful guy.
00:36:04.740 He's no Bible expert.
00:36:05.800 I don't think he would call himself a Bible expert.
00:36:07.180 And yet he had that Republican Congress lady on.
00:36:09.900 And she starts babbling about aliens in the Bible and how the evil Catholic Church and the Council of Rome in 382 kept the alien books out or whatever.
00:36:19.840 And he's just looking at her like she's a crazy person.
00:36:22.540 He says, Have you considered speaking to anyone intelligent about this?
00:36:27.040 That's almost his exact words.
00:36:29.800 Have you considered, like, learning anything about the thing that you're talking about?
00:36:34.380 No, I haven't.
00:36:35.840 I haven't.
00:36:36.480 I'm just going to talk about how they took the aliens out of the Bible.
00:36:39.800 Okay.
00:36:39.940 Here is the founder of Orchid, the custom baby company, describing the great moral defenses of her company.
00:36:50.600 IVF is also met with a massive amount of, you know, pitchforks and concern.
00:36:57.500 12 million people wouldn't exist today if IVF wasn't invented.
00:37:01.620 So I think people discount future people too much, right?
00:37:05.400 Like those 12 million people that wouldn't exist.
00:37:07.700 And then at the time, people were so against the idea of IVF.
00:37:10.560 So I think people, when thinking about this technology, really need to consider future people, right?
00:37:16.180 Future.
00:37:16.540 We got to consider future people.
00:37:17.700 But notice what's implicit here.
00:37:20.440 We ignore present people.
00:37:23.020 Because she says there are 12 million people who wouldn't exist with that IVF.
00:37:25.780 I think that number might be fair.
00:37:27.300 But then I looked up the telegraph.
00:37:29.360 It says this.
00:37:30.720 Official statistics show that almost half of embryos used to help a woman conceive through in vitro fertilization were thrown away during or after the process.
00:37:39.260 About half.
00:37:40.460 So she says, look, there are 12 million people who wouldn't exist without IVF.
00:37:43.300 But you could point to that and say, yeah, there are 12 million people who have been conceived and murdered.
00:37:47.700 Because of IVF.
00:37:49.740 Basically the same number.
00:37:50.680 If the telegraph statistic is true.
00:37:53.820 Then yeah, for every baby where you say he was born because of IVF.
00:37:57.420 See, someone else was murdered because of IVF.
00:38:01.620 This is just think about the future people.
00:38:03.720 But how about you think about the present people, lady?
00:38:06.740 Because what is the end goal of this?
00:38:10.040 The end goal is we're going to eliminate suffering.
00:38:13.320 That's what she's saying.
00:38:14.040 We're going to eliminate all disease.
00:38:15.880 We're going to eliminate.
00:38:16.860 We're going to have to kill a bunch of people to do it.
00:38:18.580 The actual cost is not $2,500 in embryo.
00:38:20.940 The actual cost is you have to have a system probably sponsored by the state.
00:38:25.600 She says it requires a kind of state funding to avail this to poorer people.
00:38:32.720 But you're going to have a system that kills most people who are, it kills most people or at least half of people.
00:38:39.340 But under this, if you're going to pick the really perfect embryo, it's going to kill the vast majority of people.
00:38:44.280 But then, as a consequence, you're going to eliminate suffering.
00:38:49.120 This is the clearest Faustian bargain I have ever heard offered.
00:38:54.700 At least since the Garden of Eden.
00:38:57.620 Hey, don't just commit an immoral action to get a potential good.
00:39:04.040 Commit basically the most immoral action you can possibly conceive of.
00:39:09.480 Namely, killing most babies who are conceived.
00:39:11.920 Parents killing most babies of their own babies that are conceived.
00:39:15.060 In order to eliminate suffering, go back to the Garden of Eden.
00:39:19.740 Give me a break.
00:39:20.640 And in the process, you divorce sex from procreation.
00:39:23.980 And she talks about this explicitly.
00:39:25.740 She says, look, sex is for fun.
00:39:27.980 Orchid is for procreation.
00:39:29.360 Orchid is for babies.
00:39:30.580 Sex is for fun, but this science is for babies.
00:39:33.800 So then you eliminate the connection between sex and procreation and what?
00:39:38.560 This is the fulfillment of the liberal people referring to their spouses as their partner.
00:39:43.900 You know how they do that?
00:39:44.740 Not just the gay ones, but the regular ones too.
00:39:47.040 Even though it's a very gay thing to do.
00:39:48.860 You say, oh, this is my partner, Sally.
00:39:50.460 This is my partner.
00:39:51.140 Like you have an accounting firm.
00:39:52.360 Or you're lesbians or something.
00:39:53.540 This is my partner.
00:39:55.360 It's so clinical.
00:39:56.200 It's so cold.
00:39:56.820 It's so sterile.
00:39:57.540 Well, yes, now it is.
00:39:58.520 That is what it is.
00:39:59.300 Sex, if you have it at all, is going to be purely indulgent, just about your own pleasure.
00:40:04.960 And babies are going to be about becoming gods, I guess.
00:40:09.340 Babies are going to be about eliminating suffering, making yourself into God, and killing most of them.
00:40:13.980 The libs were criticizing Sidney Sweeney for promoting eugenics through blue jeans eight days ago.
00:40:23.640 It was like eight days ago.
00:40:25.700 And now the liberals are openly cheering the most extreme form of actual eugenics practice that we've seen since the 1930s.
00:40:35.760 Okay.
00:40:35.980 Speaking of mating rituals, a redhead girl has gone viral on the internet because guys did not want to date her.
00:40:42.720 This clip from some random show has everyone wondering, what does a girl have to do to get a date in 2025?
00:40:53.140 I'm Riley.
00:40:54.220 I'm 24.
00:40:55.140 I'm from Houston, Texas.
00:40:56.740 And honestly, I'm down for any good adventure.
00:40:58.960 I just got scuba dive certified, and I'm planning to go to Australia this summer.
00:41:03.040 So I'm super excited about that.
00:41:04.500 And then I just picked up skiing like two years ago, and I honestly love any themed party.
00:41:11.540 Like, those are like my favorite things to go to, my favorite things to plan.
00:41:15.120 And I'm looking for someone that wants to be my adventure buddy, and it's someone that I can trust in, and is going to be there for me.
00:41:22.240 Aww.
00:41:23.140 If any gentleman would like to get to know Riley, Mark, please step forward.
00:41:27.820 No one steps forward.
00:41:29.420 That's a poor girl.
00:41:30.000 No one, two guys are kind of giggling.
00:41:35.320 No one went up.
00:41:36.000 No one's getting up.
00:41:36.820 Come on, guys.
00:41:38.100 Anyone.
00:41:38.920 Come on.
00:41:41.800 Hey, Riley, we're going to have you sit down.
00:41:43.520 All right.
00:41:43.980 See you, Riley.
00:41:44.700 Okay.
00:41:45.080 Now, I played the real clip.
00:41:47.460 The thing that was going around on the internet that was dishonest, I think, was it was just the picture of Riley and then the picture of the guys.
00:41:54.280 And you couldn't tell there was a curtain in between them, so it seemed like the guys were not picking her because they didn't find her attractive.
00:42:00.240 Perfectly cute girl.
00:42:01.420 Perfectly good-looking girl.
00:42:03.100 But it's not, and they couldn't see each other.
00:42:05.960 On top of that, this is not just a regular dating show.
00:42:08.800 This comes from a TV show called The Altar, and it's a very specific kind of dating show.
00:42:13.580 It's Mormon blind dates.
00:42:14.940 Hi, I'm Remington, and welcome to The Altar.
00:42:19.320 We've gathered together 10 single men and 10 single women all across Utah Valley.
00:42:32.520 They'll be coupling up and going on a journey of love, starting from love at first sight and ending at the altar.
00:42:39.260 We'll be eliminating couples over three rounds until we have one couple left who will win our date.
00:42:45.320 Now, this is important context because it tells you why poor Riley didn't get a date.
00:42:49.640 There are structural issues here.
00:42:51.440 Okay, the first one is, it's called the secretary problem.
00:42:54.520 It's this problem of optimal stopping, which is like a math problem or probability problem, which is you don't, you have 10 girls.
00:43:04.040 Only seven of them you're going to match up with.
00:43:06.700 You don't, you think there's going to be a better one coming up next.
00:43:12.580 So that's just built into any kind of selection process like this.
00:43:16.620 On top of that, she was the first one to go, so also likely that she would be picked over.
00:43:21.940 On top of that, there are some lessons for men and women and Riley to learn from this.
00:43:28.080 Why, beyond all the structural issues, the Mormon thing, look, these people might get married.
00:43:32.300 There's all sort of built-in structural specific issues.
00:43:35.180 But beyond that, why?
00:43:40.120 I think part of it is, she was the first one up.
00:43:43.700 And guys, they don't want the girl to be too eager.
00:43:46.540 If the girl is too eager, it signals to guys that other men aren't pursuing her.
00:43:52.420 And so you don't have the social proof that she's desirable.
00:43:54.780 And that's the first red flag.
00:43:58.340 Why?
00:43:58.720 She's too, oh, women are to be pursued.
00:44:02.180 So that was her first mistake.
00:44:03.820 The second mistake is speaking about what she wants from a relationship in really friendly terms.
00:44:15.260 I actually am, in a moment of candor.
00:44:17.060 I hate the phrase, you know, I married my best friend.
00:44:18.880 But in a moment of candor, I'll admit, sweet little Lisa and I are very, we're buds too.
00:44:24.100 I'll also chase her around the house.
00:44:25.120 But there is an actual friendship within a good marriage.
00:44:31.780 And so you want the friendship thing.
00:44:33.500 But I have buddies.
00:44:35.300 I don't need a wife so I can go smoking cigars or out drinking or skiing or scuba diving or whatever.
00:44:40.740 I need a wife to be a wife.
00:44:42.540 I want a girlfriend to be a girlfriend.
00:44:43.660 And so the way she's talking about it, you know, you want her to get up there and say, you know, there's somebody that I'm longing to see.
00:44:52.220 Do, do, do, do.
00:44:53.360 Someone to watch over me.
00:44:55.440 That's what you want to hear from a woman.
00:44:57.880 I want to, and I want to bring this to the table.
00:44:59.560 And I want to do this for a guy.
00:45:01.020 And I want the guy to do this for me.
00:45:02.460 And I want there to be complementarity there, not indiscernible.
00:45:05.200 That's the second thing.
00:45:08.460 Two, it's all just these adventures, these experiences.
00:45:12.200 It's not, yeah, that, okay, life.
00:45:13.780 Scuba diving is fun.
00:45:14.540 Going on vacation.
00:45:15.220 So it's kind of like getting up there and she says, you know, I just really want somebody to go on vacation with.
00:45:18.700 Well, that's not what I care about in a wife or in a girlfriend.
00:45:21.380 I want the day-to-day.
00:45:23.020 What does Tuesday look like?
00:45:24.360 That's what matters a lot more.
00:45:25.760 What are we building?
00:45:26.360 What are we actually doing?
00:45:27.620 So I think those were, those were Riley's mistakes.
00:45:30.040 She's very, seems like a very sweet girl.
00:45:31.780 Very cute.
00:45:32.160 I'm sure she'll find a, find a guy anytime soon.
00:45:34.400 But for the women watching, trying to draw some gender lessons, that's a good lesson to learn.
00:45:40.820 Okay.
00:45:41.900 Before we go, there's a story I have to get to.
00:45:43.980 This is a much, much sadder story than the, the altar show.
00:45:48.440 It's gone viral because an illegal alien driving some kind of Mack truck made an illegal U-turn
00:45:55.220 and killed three people in Florida.
00:45:58.440 It's not just any kind of illegal alien.
00:46:00.000 We think of an illegal alien being from Venezuela or something.
00:46:02.680 This is an illegal alien.
00:46:03.700 Seems like from the subcontinent.
00:46:05.060 Hard genders sing.
00:46:06.780 So already it's calling to mind, oh, the illegal alien problem is not just that we got to plug up the Rio Grande.
00:46:11.940 It's, it's the entire globe is committing illegal immigration against us.
00:46:16.260 He entered the country illegally, reportedly, according to officials, in 2018.
00:46:23.300 So somewhat recently, he obtained a commercial driver's license in California.
00:46:28.900 He's been charged with three counts of vehicular homicide.
00:46:32.780 Now, some people would say, well, 2018, Trump was president.
00:46:36.020 Yeah, Trump was president.
00:46:36.760 Trump was president.
00:46:37.280 He tried to close the border.
00:46:38.320 He, he very effectively did stop illegal immigration, but there were all those roadblocks, all those roadblocks being put up by the courts, being put up by the liberal legislators, all the Democrat congressmen going and crying and trying to gum up the works.
00:46:51.500 So I think it's completely disingenuous to say, well, if an illegal entered when a Republican was president, you know, it's on the Republican.
00:46:57.540 No, the Republicans have been trying to close this border with great determination, doing everything they can.
00:47:02.200 It's the Democrats who have stopped it, explicitly tried to stop it.
00:47:04.740 So the Democrats own illegal immigration.
00:47:07.240 Some, and then when Democrats are officially in power, they welcome them with open arms as they cross the border.
00:47:12.300 Come on, come on down.
00:47:14.800 Not only did he enter the country illegally, he got a commercial driver's license in California.
00:47:19.040 How's that?
00:47:19.580 Because the liberals insist on giving out regular driver's licenses.
00:47:22.460 And I don't know how he got a commercial driver's license.
00:47:24.820 The victims are confirmed to be a 37-year-old woman from Pompano Beach, a 30-year-old man from Florida City, and a 54-year-old man from Miami.
00:47:32.180 The big takeaway on this, the open borders crowd, and the Beltway crowd, and the policy want crowd, they're going to say, well, you know, look, it's a very sad incident, but just look at the statistics.
00:47:46.480 Statistically, illegal aliens don't commit much more crime than the native population.
00:47:50.660 That's a little dubious we can debate, but statistically, they're not more likely to get into car accidents, I don't know, whatever they're going to say.
00:47:57.880 Statistically, statistically.
00:48:00.780 But it's simply a fact.
00:48:02.180 If the Democrats had not cynically undermined our laws, passed by the representatives of the people that every sensible nation has had for all of history, if the Democrats had not done that, this guy would not be in the country, and three real people would be alive today.
00:48:20.320 And three real families would not be grieving and have had their lives forever changed, and in some cases may be ruined.
00:48:29.300 And we don't know the identities other than a few details over the victims.
00:48:35.180 Did they have kids?
00:48:37.280 Then a bunch of kids would have their parents.
00:48:40.860 Real kids, real people who are our fellow citizens.
00:48:43.940 All these people had parents, and those parents would have their sons and daughters.
00:48:47.460 Real people.
00:48:51.460 Had real Democrats who are in office and who have been in office not been so selfish and exploitative and cynical, three real people and countless others downstream, kids and siblings and parents, would be around today and have their family members today.
00:49:09.980 That's what illegal immigration is.
00:49:12.600 That's what it is.
00:49:13.120 There's a guy down the street.
00:49:14.320 There was a guy down the street.
00:49:15.520 He had a chicken shop.
00:49:16.280 He was a really nice guy.
00:49:16.860 No, no, no, chicken shop.
00:49:18.100 Been working on it for like 10 years.
00:49:19.980 They were just dismantling the shop the other day.
00:49:21.880 Why?
00:49:22.480 It was a year or so ago, a year and a half ago.
00:49:24.460 An illegal ran him over in his own parking lot.
00:49:27.060 Killed him in his own parking lot.
00:49:31.160 If particular Democrats had not pushed this, that guy wouldn't be in the country.
00:49:35.640 That guy would be alive.
00:49:36.260 That chicken shop would be around.
00:49:37.220 That family would be doing better.
00:49:38.660 That's illegal immigration.
00:49:40.600 That's what illegal immigration looks like.
00:49:42.240 And no amount of whitewashing and soft soap is going to get the blood off people's hands.
00:49:47.680 That is really what it looks like.
00:49:50.900 And any statistical argument, which is probably dubious anyway, is really just around to obfuscate the particular victims of that.
00:50:01.880 His people, his Democrats should be given no quarter for what they've done.
00:50:05.380 Okay, on that happy note, no member block today.
00:50:07.860 We've got to move on, but there's, all will be revealed in time.
00:50:11.980 I'll see you tomorrow.
00:50:12.580 I'm Michael Knowles.
00:50:13.060 This is the Michael Knowles Show.
00:50:13.700 We'll see you tomorrow.