The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1797 - Everyone Is Mad That Trump Wants to Go to Heaven

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00:00:45.360 Another day, another reason fanatics are furious at President Trump.

00:00:51.180 Today's non-traversy, I kid you not, is that Trump wants to end a war

00:00:57.160 because he wants to save lives because he wants to go to heaven.

00:01:03.820 That's why everyone's mad at him today.

00:01:05.680 I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:07.120 Welcome back to the show.

00:01:27.620 Gavin Newsom wants to distinguish himself among the field of mediocrities

00:01:32.560 in the Democrat 2028 presidential primary, and he is doing so by attempting to roast Trump

00:01:39.320 on social media.

00:01:40.780 Some people are getting a kick out of it.

00:01:42.720 I don't think it's totally working.

00:01:44.580 We'll get to why in a moment.

00:01:45.960 First, though, this is the greatest non-traversy.

00:01:49.100 We hate Trump because he said this, because he did that.

00:01:51.720 We hate Trump because he supports Russia. 0.99

00:01:54.300 We hate Trump because he called Rosie O'Donnell ugly or whatever. 0.91

00:01:59.380 We hate Trump because all these reasons, all that for 10 years, for 10 years, all the

00:02:04.560 now they hate Trump because he wants to end a war, because he wants to save lives, because

00:02:12.480 he wants to go to heaven, as he explained when he called into Fox and Friends yesterday.

00:02:16.980 I just want to end it.

00:02:18.200 I want to end it.

00:02:18.940 You know, we're not losing American lives.

00:02:20.740 We're not losing American soldiers.

00:02:22.340 We're losing Russian and Ukrainian, mostly soldiers.

00:02:25.700 Some people, as missiles hit wrong spots or get lobbed into cities like Kiev and towns.

00:02:32.560 But, you know, if I can save 7000 people a week from being killed, I think that's a pretty

00:02:39.240 I want to try and get to heaven if possible.

00:02:41.180 I'm hearing I'm not doing well.

00:02:43.040 I'm really at the bottom of the totem pole.

00:02:45.540 But if I can get to heaven, this will be one of the reasons.

00:02:48.960 Well, I think.

00:02:50.340 Beautiful.

00:02:51.260 Can I can I tell you?

00:02:54.280 Of of all of the things to attack a politician for this, this will never be topped.

00:03:00.480 Attacking a president because he wants to go to heaven.

00:03:03.800 Now, some people said, well, he's just joking around.

00:03:06.820 Caroline Levitt was asked in the briefing room yesterday, was Trump just joking around?

00:03:11.360 Here's her answer.

00:03:11.900 I know the president said on Fox News this morning that he's partially seeking peace in

00:03:17.700 order to get to heaven.

00:03:18.860 Was he joking or is there spiritual motivation behind his peace deals here?

00:03:23.600 I think the president was serious.

00:03:25.840 I think the president wants to get to heaven, as I hope we all do in this room as well.

00:03:30.420 That was a very good question.

00:03:32.060 Who is that excellent reporter in the room?

00:03:33.820 Oh, was that Daily Wire's very own Mary Margaret Olihan?

00:03:35.920 I think it was.

00:03:36.820 There are two groups attacking him for this, and both attacks are really funny.

00:03:43.260 The funnier attacks are from the liberals who are upset that Trump is talking about heaven.

00:03:47.880 They're posting this on social media. 0.69

00:03:49.180 They say, look at this wacko. 1.00

00:03:50.760 Look at this crazy person talking about heaven. 0.65

00:03:54.140 You know, there was a time not so long ago when political leaders spoke of eternal things. 0.99

00:03:59.820 I know it's hard to believe in our stupid, modern, degraded age, but there was a time 0.98

00:04:04.580 when political leaders talked about things like morality, felt that they were accountable 1.00

00:04:10.320 to a power higher than themselves, actually believed in God and religion, took seriously

00:04:17.820 the human person and the eternal soul and justice.

00:04:21.240 There was a time.

00:04:22.640 It wasn't that long ago.

00:04:24.580 That's what Trump is doing a little bit here.

00:04:26.140 When political calculations were not merely based on temporal personal self-interest, but

00:04:32.820 it actually included things like, I don't know, considering the commandments, considered

00:04:38.160 the Sermon on the Mount, blessed are the peacemakers.

00:04:40.660 There was a time when such a thing existed.

00:04:43.520 The other group that is attacking Trump is extreme Protestants.

00:04:48.020 You know, I love my Protestant friends, and it's not far from every Protestant attacking him, 0.62

00:04:52.460 but there's some people, some really ideological people who are saying, well, President Trump

00:04:57.540 is presenting a false gospel because he's suggesting that you could be saved by works.

00:05:00.720 This is a works-based salvation.

00:05:02.560 This is Pelagianism. 0.90

00:05:04.080 Calm down.

00:05:05.480 Calm down, people.

00:05:07.780 This was not a theological treatise from the president.

00:05:11.960 He was saying, I want to end a war because that would be good, and it would save people, 0.99

00:05:16.280 and blessed are the peacemakers, and I want to go to heaven, and I want it.

00:05:21.180 The Pelagian heresy, which says that we do not have original sin, which says that we earn

00:05:26.520 our salvation, we can deserve our place in heaven, that was condemned.

00:05:30.520 That was condemned at the Council of Carthage in A.D. 418.

00:05:35.260 I don't think that President Trump is a neo-Neo-Pelagian resurrecting this ancient heresy.

00:05:42.520 I think that President Trump is expressing a pretty basic, broadly Christian intuition because

00:05:51.700 there are three parts to what he says there.

00:05:53.740 He says, I want to end the war and save lives because I want to go to heaven because I don't

00:06:00.540 think I'm top of the list for getting into heaven.

00:06:02.540 And that last part is the one that no one's talking about, but that's the most important

00:06:06.000 part because that's the expression of humility.

00:06:08.980 There we have the beginning of wisdom.

00:06:11.620 He is saying, I don't deserve to go to heaven.

00:06:14.740 Do you get it?

00:06:15.200 He's, I think I'm the bottom of the totem pole.

00:06:19.580 And when I, and I've said this for years, I've said, Trump is a humble guy and none of

00:06:22.920 you get it because none of you know how comedy and you don't know how to talk like a New 1.00

00:06:25.580 Yorker. 0.79

00:06:26.380 And so when, when the libs would say, he's so arrogant, he's so narcissistic, he's so 0.99

00:06:31.100 prideful.

00:06:31.420 I said, I actually think there's a kind of humility to him.

00:06:34.760 Like when he was asked if he was going to have a beer in Ireland or a beer on St.

00:06:38.080 Patrick's day, he said, no, I don't drink beer.

00:06:40.220 I'm probably the only president ever who doesn't drink beer.

00:06:42.240 It's the only good thing you can say about me.

00:06:44.360 Can you imagine if I drank, I'd be the worst?

00:06:46.980 That's an expression of humility.

00:06:48.520 That's a self-deprecating joke here.

00:06:50.520 He says, look, I want to save lives.

00:06:52.100 Why do I want to save lives?

00:06:53.420 Just because it's in the American interest?

00:06:55.200 No, it's actually not necessarily in the American interest to save lives.

00:06:58.680 That's the party's, the liberal grand strategists who have been talking about how important it

00:07:03.640 is to keep the Ukraine war going.

00:07:05.080 People like Joe Biden, people like Mitt Romney who said, well, this is a great way to degrade

00:07:08.840 the Russian military and we don't have to sacrifice any American lives to do it.

00:07:12.020 This is great.

00:07:12.560 Keep the war going forever.

00:07:14.680 They are articulating the grand strategy that keeping this meat grinder moving in Ukraine 1.00

00:07:19.700 serves the American interest.

00:07:21.840 And Trump says, yeah, but 7,000 people a week are dying.

00:07:24.200 I don't want that.

00:07:25.580 Why don't you want that?

00:07:26.620 Isn't that good for the American?

00:07:27.540 I don't want that because I want to go to heaven.

00:07:30.080 That's why.

00:07:32.660 You think you earn your salvation?

00:07:34.700 You think you deserve a place in heaven?

00:07:36.100 No, I don't.

00:07:37.200 I don't.

00:07:37.780 I think I don't deserve to go to heaven.

00:07:39.860 I think that I'm the bottom of the totem pole now.

00:07:41.880 And I think that if I can, in my power, do any good whatsoever and cooperate with what

00:07:46.400 I think God is demanding of me, I think it might help.

00:07:48.840 That's a very Christian point of view, folks.

00:07:51.540 Not to sound like a preacher here, like a Bible thumper, but I am recalling a verse. 0.99

00:07:58.100 I think it's what James 2.24, which is man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

00:08:06.020 Do we forget that?

00:08:07.120 The phrase faith alone appears exactly one time in the Bible, and it's in James 2.24,

00:08:11.600 and it says a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

00:08:14.400 Now, this is a little bit confusing, of course, because we don't earn our salvation, and Pelagianism

00:08:20.120 is heretical, and the initial justification that comes to us is purely from God.

00:08:28.540 We do absolutely nothing to earn that, but that's not the whole story, because then we

00:08:33.900 are called on to cooperate with God's grace.

00:08:37.080 James goes on to tell us that faith without works is dead.

00:08:39.920 What he is telling us, what God is telling us, inspiring the authors of the Bible, is that

00:08:45.800 faith looks like something.

00:08:47.400 What our Lord tells us in the Gospel of St. Matthew is that a man will be judged according

00:08:52.560 to his works.

00:08:53.700 That doesn't mean that he earns his salvation.

00:08:56.120 That doesn't mean that he is not totally in need of God's grace, but it means that it looks

00:09:00.320 like something.

00:09:01.360 That's what Trump's saying.

00:09:02.560 Are we clear on the theological point?

00:09:04.700 Can we not?

00:09:05.440 You know, it's like we can't ever take yes for an answer.

00:09:08.400 We have, for the first, maybe the first time in my life, a president openly expressed

00:09:17.380 a longing to be with God, expressing profound humility in, I think, a sincere way, trying

00:09:25.180 to end wars, which is exceedingly rare at the Oval Office in my lifetime, and saying

00:09:32.880 that he's humble.

00:09:34.880 He's saying, I don't deserve heaven, and I want to be with God.

00:09:37.700 What does it mean to say I want to go to heaven?

00:09:38.800 It means I want to be close to God.

00:09:41.360 Those are the three least objectionable things I've ever heard out of the Oval Office, and

00:09:45.660 people find a way to complain about it, not just the libs, but even sometimes people

00:09:48.580 on our own side.

00:09:49.800 Give me a break.

00:09:50.540 I think we could all use a little dose of humility.

00:09:53.800 And in fact, we could learn a lesson or two in humility from President Trump.

00:09:58.040 You ever think you'd hear that?

00:09:59.020 Okay.

00:09:59.500 Now, speaking of the Oval Office, an amazing photo that tells you a lot about our world

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00:11:22.760 President Trump had this meeting.

00:11:24.280 He had the meeting on Friday in Alaska with Vladimir Putin.

00:11:27.340 Then they end that early.

00:11:28.400 He rushes home, and then he calls the leaders of all of Europe together and Zelensky and

00:11:33.860 says, get to the White House by Monday.

00:11:35.180 And then they all have a meeting at the White House.

00:11:37.840 And there's a photo that's come out of this meeting that tells you everything about the

00:11:41.860 political order today.

00:11:43.180 It is Trump sitting behind the resolute desk, and then the leaders of all these European

00:11:48.260 nations, European and the UK.

00:11:50.460 You see Keir Starmer there at the end.

00:11:52.060 And Zelensky in Eastern Europe, all sitting like they're Trump's assistants, all sitting

00:12:02.120 there like you've got the deputy director of such and such agency, and like you've got

00:12:09.400 the special assistant to this and that agency.

00:12:12.960 They don't look like the heads of sovereign states.

00:12:16.780 They look like people who are getting their marching orders from Trump, and that is the

00:12:23.180 Western world order.

00:12:24.120 That has been the Western world order since World War II.

00:12:28.540 And this is the clearest expression of that.

00:12:31.520 And you got Zelensky there because Zelensky doesn't really matter all that much.

00:12:36.220 I don't mean to diminish him.

00:12:37.200 He's shown some courage.

00:12:38.260 But this is a war between the West, led by Trump, led by America, and Russia.

00:12:46.000 And Ukraine is just the battleground for that, and Ukraine is just a proxy for that. 0.95

00:12:51.020 And Trump is marshalling the leaders of Europe, so-called, who are really vassals for this

00:12:57.600 American empire.

00:12:58.700 And I mention all of this not to even say that I recommend it.

00:13:02.400 I have plenty of thoughts on empire versus nation.

00:13:04.160 But just to remind you, that's what it is.

00:13:09.640 Trump's critics and some of his supporters have misunderstood his political vision for

00:13:14.200 10 years.

00:13:14.980 They've said, this man is an arch-nationalist.

00:13:16.780 Oh, no, we have the rise of nationalism.

00:13:18.380 This is Christian nationalism.

00:13:19.680 N, N, N, N, N, N.

00:13:22.120 It's just the N-word for 10 years.

00:13:23.640 We've been hearing the N-word constantly for 10 years, applied to Trump.

00:13:29.000 But he's not the N-word.

00:13:30.420 Trump is not an N-word.

00:13:31.620 He's not a nationalist.

00:13:35.200 He's an imperialist.

00:13:37.860 And I, for one, do think that empire is a more natural form of political order.

00:13:42.660 I think it's an inescapable form of political order.

00:13:45.100 I think it is the providential form of political order.

00:13:48.640 We were talking about religion earlier.

00:13:50.400 Our Lord is incarnate during the Augustan age in the Roman Empire, which claims jurisdiction

00:13:56.640 over the whole earth, which is significant, actually, for the meaning of salvation, the

00:14:01.540 meaning of the passion.

00:14:02.280 But that's a digression and a topic for another time.

00:14:05.800 Trump is leading an empire.

00:14:08.040 That's why he wants to acquire Greenland.

00:14:10.960 That's why he wants to invade Canada.

00:14:12.380 That's why he is, because he has that clear political vision, that's why he's able to

00:14:18.580 marshal the forces of Europe.

00:14:20.500 And that's why he's able to deal directly with Putin.

00:14:24.700 Putin said at the summit, he confirmed what Trump has said for years.

00:14:27.960 He said, this war would not have broken out had Trump been president.

00:14:30.560 This war broke out because of Biden.

00:14:32.900 The war first broke out under Obama.

00:14:35.880 Then it laid dormant when Trump was in his first term.

00:14:38.740 And then it exploded again when Biden was president.

00:14:43.560 Because, and this is another thing that maybe you wouldn't have believed 10 years ago, because

00:14:48.780 Trump understands the dynamics of the world order in the year of our Lord, 2025 and 2016

00:14:54.740 and every year in between, better than all the geniuses who went to all the think tanks

00:14:58.600 with all of the degrees in international relations.

00:15:00.480 He just gets it.

00:15:01.340 That image in the Oval Office, that's the West.

00:15:04.140 That is the West today.

00:15:06.940 That's not the Westphalian system exactly.

00:15:09.440 That's not the UN exactly.

00:15:12.060 That's not, but that's how the West works.

00:15:15.260 I think about this sometimes, speaking of life and death.

00:15:19.080 You know, I've mentioned before, my mother died when I was in high school.

00:15:23.040 And we were close, you know, grew up in New York.

00:15:27.540 Trump was a very popular figure.

00:15:29.500 And sometimes you think when a loved one dies, you know, a long time, you think, wow, if

00:15:34.460 that person came back, what would I tell them today?

00:15:39.020 It sounds crazy.

00:15:40.920 But the two things I would have to tell my mother before I say, hey, this happened and

00:15:45.920 that, and look at my beautiful family and look at this great part of my life and look

00:15:49.540 at this company that I've been.

00:15:50.700 The things that I would have to rush to tell her, having grown up as a New Yorker in the

00:15:56.620 90s and the 2000s, I say, you're not going to believe this one.

00:15:59.440 You know, two things you're not going to believe.

00:16:01.980 You know who became president?

00:16:05.380 Trump.

00:16:06.720 Say what?

00:16:07.380 You got to be.

00:16:07.820 I said, no, but the crazy part is he became president and he's good at it.

00:16:14.360 He's like really good at it.

00:16:16.420 That, let's say, oh, by the way, I got married.

00:16:18.780 I have all these kids, you know, I started this company, I have this show, I have whatever,

00:16:22.200 you know, but it's just, it's crazy, man.

00:16:25.660 And even in that image, there's, you can see up in the corner is Reagan is looking down.

00:16:31.920 Reagan seems to be looking down with a smile on his face in that, in that Oval Office image.

00:16:35.840 Very, very beautiful.

00:16:37.520 Okay, speaking of security threats, I talked yesterday on the show about this trucker,

00:16:43.120 this illegal alien trucker who killed three people because he made an illegal U-turn.

00:16:48.800 Well, we're getting more information now.

00:16:51.940 This semi-truck driver who killed three people while making an illegal U-turn in Florida

00:16:56.020 was given an English language proficiency test.

00:17:00.040 You will not be surprised to know that he failed.

00:17:02.700 Federal investigators also tested him to see if he could read highway traffic signs.

00:17:11.160 You will not be surprised to find out he failed.

00:17:13.620 He only accurately identified one in four highway traffic signs,

00:17:17.180 and he only correctly answered two out of 12 verbal questions.

00:17:21.240 So, what people are going to say, whenever they see an illegal alien commit a crime,

00:17:27.740 or, you know, kill someone in a terrible apparent accident, they'll say, well, you know, look,

00:17:33.040 that happens, but statistically, they're really no worse than legal immigrants or native-born Americans. 1.00

00:17:39.980 You say, well, no, actually.

00:17:42.400 The reason that he killed those people, likely, is because he couldn't read the signs and because he couldn't speak English.

00:17:50.120 And the reason that that was true is because he's an illegal alien.

00:17:54.580 Immigrants struggle with these things generally, but you guys, you Democrats,

00:17:58.100 flooded the country with illegal aliens, and then you didn't require anything of them.

00:18:02.000 You didn't require them to assimilate even.

00:18:04.220 That would be the minimum that you could require, and you didn't do that.

00:18:07.500 And so, not to belabor the point, three people are dead because Joe Biden opened the border,

00:18:16.660 and Barack Obama opened the border, and even some Republicans opened the border.

00:18:20.140 It's not just one administration exactly, but three real Americans are dead.

00:18:25.800 And the likelihood of them dying was radically increased because you let people in who can't read 1.00

00:18:32.180 and don't know what street signs mean.

00:18:34.740 And then you gave them commercial driver's licenses.

00:18:36.680 And you did, like, really practical things.

00:18:39.540 And you try to make some argument, and you say, well, statistically, he's no more likely.

00:18:43.220 Statistically, he is more likely to use welfare resources and to commit certain crimes.

00:18:47.520 But even beyond that, three particular Americans, not statistics, three particular Americans are dead

00:18:55.040 because of this particular guy that you particularly let in

00:18:58.680 did things that we all could have predicted.

00:19:02.820 That's the problem.

00:19:05.240 And they're going to flee accountability on the left.

00:19:07.840 But this was all so predictable.

00:19:12.060 It would have been sad enough, but it's so much sadder because it's all so predictable.

00:19:15.600 Okay.

00:19:16.180 Speaking of illiterates, Shmuley Boteik.

00:19:19.500 Do you know Shmuley Boteik?

00:19:20.900 He is this rabbi.

00:19:22.080 I don't want to call him a rabbi, actually.

00:19:24.000 I know he is technically a rabbi.

00:19:25.340 But I don't want to call him a rabbi because there are many rabbis that I like.

00:19:29.020 And I don't want to besmirch their honor by making them associate with Shmuley Boteik. 0.91

00:19:34.040 Shmuley Boteik, he's this attention seeker who I think he's also a sex toy vendor. 0.72

00:19:40.700 But he's a rabbi, technically.

00:19:42.500 And anyway, he took to the Times of Israel to talk about my new series,

00:19:48.760 The Pope and the Fuhrer, The Secret Vatican Files of World War II,

00:19:51.300 available exclusively on Daily Wire+.

00:19:52.820 It's doing very well on the platform.

00:19:54.160 I appreciate all of you for letting me rub it in Matt and Ben's face

00:19:56.780 that my show is doing better than all the other stuff right now.

00:20:00.260 Anyway, the show tells the real story of the venerable Pius XII,

00:20:06.000 the pope during World War II,

00:20:07.320 who has been slandered and maligned as being complicit in the Nazi atrocities,

00:20:12.280 even being Hitler's pope. 0.98

00:20:13.660 So ridiculous. 0.94

00:20:14.380 Anyway, we have the facts, and so we present the reality of it. 0.77

00:20:17.700 And Shmuley Boteik is accusing me, Ben Shapiro,

00:20:21.820 and the Daily Wire of, quote,

00:20:25.240 desecrating the six million and rehabilitating a Nazi collaborator.

00:20:31.980 And he's calling Pope Pius XII the Nazi collaborator.

00:20:35.480 Now, no one has ever accused Shmuley Boteik of being informed. 0.99

00:20:39.460 He is one of the most proudly ignorant people I've ever come across. 0.94

00:20:42.980 But though he is frequently wrong, he is absolutely never in doubt. 0.98

00:20:47.260 And he is always happy for the opportunity to leapfrog off of the attention

00:20:52.480 that other people are getting to try to get some attention for himself.

00:20:55.540 So he's written this absolutely preposterous, incoherent piece in the Times of Israel.

00:21:02.720 I'm just going to throw out a few facts here about this Nazi collaborator,

00:21:06.980 a supposed Nazi collaborator, Pope Pius XII.

00:21:11.220 Hitler wrote to Francisco Franco and said that Pope Pius XII was his personal enemy.

00:21:21.200 De Fuhrer says that the pope was his personal enemy.

00:21:25.780 That's one fact.

00:21:26.840 Next fact, Pope Pius XII personally saved, well, many, many people,

00:21:32.660 but specifically we're talking about Jews here, personally put 800 Jews in Castel Gandolfo,

00:21:39.620 the papal vacation spot, in order to hide them from the Nazis. 0.63

00:21:45.320 Personally was able to save huge numbers of Jews just around Rome.

00:21:51.580 And through his efforts, which were often clandestine and were done in silence,

00:21:56.860 is responsible, I think the consensus number is for saving the lives of some 860,000 Jews

00:22:04.540 during World War II.

00:22:06.140 Okay, final point, the chief rabbi of Rome at the end of World War II,

00:22:12.620 the chief rabbi of Rome converted to Catholicism.

00:22:16.760 Do you know what name he took when he was baptized and became a Catholic?

00:22:20.320 He took the name Eugene, Eugenio.

00:22:23.640 Do you know why?

00:22:24.580 Because that was Pope Pius XII's first name.

00:22:26.860 And that's what a hero he was.

00:22:28.760 Not just to Christians, not just to the whole world, but specifically also to Jews.

00:22:33.400 And so anyway, I guess if you like, you can read Shmuley Boteak's babbling nonsense

00:22:39.040 in the times of Israel.

00:22:40.140 But more important, you should go watch the Pope and the Fuhrer. 0.64

00:22:44.760 Exclusively on Daily Wire Plus, you can sign up for it now.

00:22:48.240 Great.

00:22:48.660 It's a great antidote to Shmuley Boteak syndrome.

00:22:52.240 The antidote being that you fill your head with facts and reality.

00:22:55.620 Okay.

00:22:56.680 Now, speaking of arts and culture, President Trump is going off on the Smithsonian.

00:23:00.480 It's delightful.

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00:24:41.000 President Trump, he has earned the ire of the left.

00:24:49.320 They're really upset because he wants to go to heaven.

00:24:52.480 They're really upset because he wants to save people's lives.

00:24:54.760 And then the other reasons, a secondary reason that they're upset is because he wants to improve

00:25:00.480 the Smithsonian, you know, the series of museums, art, history, culture.

00:25:06.800 So Trump writes, the museums throughout Washington, but all over our country are essentially the last

00:25:12.380 remaining segment of woke.

00:25:13.760 The Smithsonian is out of control where everything discussed is how horrible our country is,

00:25:18.060 how bad slavery was, and how unaccomplished the downtrodden have been.

00:25:21.220 Nothing about success, nothing about brightness, nothing about the future.

00:25:25.080 We are not going to allow this to happen, and I have instructed my attorneys to go through the museums

00:25:29.180 and start the exact same process that has been done with colleges and universities,

00:25:32.860 where tremendous progress has been made.

00:25:35.180 This country cannot be woke because woke is broke.

00:25:37.220 We have the hottest country in the world, and we want people to talk about it, including our museums.

00:25:41.600 I love this.

00:25:44.680 The part that the left is seizing on to attack Trump is when he says that the Smithsonian's out of control

00:25:50.960 where everything discussed is dot, dot, dot, how bad slavery was, dot, dot, dot.

00:25:56.000 And they're saying, you don't, you're upset because the museums say that slavery was bad?

00:26:02.780 You think slavery was good?

00:26:04.500 The operative word for our increasingly illiterate friends.

00:26:11.480 The operative word here is not bad.

00:26:14.640 The operative word is not slavery.

00:26:17.040 The operative word is everything.

00:26:20.200 Trump's issue, I don't wish to presume to speak for the president, but I will.

00:26:25.940 The issue is not that a museum in some exhibition on slavery mentions that slavery is bad.

00:26:33.140 I don't think people really need to be told that, but the issue is not that it sort of just mentions that. 0.99

00:26:37.660 The issue is that everything the museums say about our country is that we're bad, is that we're stupid, is that we're evil, 0.97

00:26:45.960 is that we have an original sin called slavery. 1.00

00:26:48.520 And the issue is that that's everything.

00:26:51.160 That's the whole focus, is all the errors in American history, all of the moral failings.

00:26:58.220 Because when we look at our country, I mean, slavery is actually a perfect example of this.

00:27:03.480 We had slavery in America for a vanishingly short period of time, and then we sacrificed 600,000 Americans to end it.

00:27:10.500 Slavery still exists today in Africa and the Middle East and East Asia and like everywhere, basically, outside of the West.

00:27:16.840 But they all get a pass. 0.94

00:27:21.680 All the Muslim pirates that have been enslaving people since that religion has existed, they all get a pass. 1.00

00:27:31.540 We don't get a pass. 0.97

00:27:33.720 We don't get, in fact, not only do we not get a pass, that is our defining feature.

00:27:38.400 That's Trump's issue.

00:27:40.160 He says, you know, our museums are really telling a really slanted story.

00:27:44.360 We have a hot country.

00:27:45.080 We want people to talk about it.

00:27:46.720 And then the Libs will say, well, our museums need to tell the truth.

00:27:51.100 Yeah, okay, but there are different ways to tell the truth, right?

00:27:54.040 The museums are not currently telling the truth.

00:27:55.820 If the museums are saying America's evil, which is what our schools say, and it's what our museums say, and it's what our cultural exhibits say and have for decades.

00:28:03.700 Is that the truth?

00:28:04.960 America's just evil. 1.00

00:28:05.980 It's rotten. 0.99

00:28:06.520 I don't think that's the truth.

00:28:09.380 Like some bad things have happened.

00:28:10.980 Sure.

00:28:11.220 But that's not the truth.

00:28:12.660 What museums and centers of art and culture do is they tell stories, and the story is false.

00:28:22.420 And Trump was just elected on an important narrative, which is to make America great again, and he won the popular vote.

00:28:29.820 And so he's going in, and he's telling that story as we enter the bicesquicentennial, the 250th anniversary of America, when we want to rearticulate our story, remind ourselves of who we are, maybe reimagine that story, reconceptualize that, reset that story.

00:28:44.680 And I guess I would ask the libs who are whining about this.

00:28:49.780 What do you think a country is?

00:28:52.060 What do you think a country is?

00:28:53.400 Some people are asking this question.

00:28:55.760 What is America?

00:28:56.520 That's the question of 2026.

00:28:59.480 What is America?

00:29:01.400 Well, any country is its people.

00:29:04.800 It's ethnic makeup of its people.

00:29:07.080 It's cultural makeup.

00:29:08.500 It's religious makeup of its people.

00:29:10.440 Beyond its people, it's geography.

00:29:12.760 Beyond its geography, it's resources.

00:29:15.160 Beyond.

00:29:15.280 And its narrative, its stories.

00:29:20.740 Think, go back to Rome.

00:29:21.980 You know, the Aeneid is the story of Rome.

00:29:25.220 And it's a story that Virgil wrote for Augustus, for the Augustan age, to reimagine, as Rome was rapidly changing, to tell a story of Rome that would then give Rome an identity.

00:29:39.720 And the left knows this, which is why the left has sought to demoralize us, communists during the Cold War, speaking of Russia, and then our own internal enemies have sought to demoralize us for decades. 0.98

00:29:52.740 And so the story of our country is we suck. 0.97

00:29:55.380 And Trump is saying, we don't. 0.99

00:29:57.060 Hey, like, yes, there's bad stuff.

00:30:00.100 We're humble.

00:30:00.980 We're, you know, we're, I don't know.

00:30:02.400 We don't deserve heaven.

00:30:04.600 But we would like to be there.

00:30:06.420 We want to do good things.

00:30:08.200 We want to end wars.

00:30:09.120 We want to save lives.

00:30:10.320 We want to be a shining city on a hill.

00:30:12.580 We want to, we want to be with God.

00:30:14.280 We want to go to heaven.

00:30:14.980 We want to do that stuff.

00:30:15.900 Let's tell that story.

00:30:17.140 That's what he's saying.

00:30:17.660 He's completely right about it.

00:30:18.940 Completely right.

00:30:19.840 Now, speaking of a changing cultural landscape, this is, where's my champagne?

00:30:25.780 Where is my champagne?

00:30:28.060 I didn't ask for any of the producers, but I'll yell at him anyway.

00:30:30.540 Because MSNBC, the liberal cable channel, the openly liberal cable channel, CNN, like, pretends

00:30:40.780 to be neutral.

00:30:41.740 Fox is right wing.

00:30:44.280 MSNBC is the openly liberal cable channel.

00:30:47.080 And it is no more.

00:30:48.680 Pour one out.

00:30:49.560 There is no more MSNBC.

00:30:51.100 It's done.

00:30:52.420 They are rebranding.

00:30:54.120 It's MSNOW now.

00:30:59.720 MSNOW stands for My Source News Opinion World.

00:31:05.600 What?

00:31:08.360 MSNOW.

00:31:09.960 And why is this happening?

00:31:12.080 Well, what the company is saying is, it's because MSNBC was spun off of NBC Universal.

00:31:17.920 And so, you know, it just naturally, they were going to lose the NBC from their name.

00:31:22.060 It's no big deal.

00:31:23.080 It's going to remain largely the same.

00:31:24.760 It's just, this is just a kind of clerical issue.

00:31:28.660 My BS detector is going off.

00:31:31.180 It's actually flying off the upper limit.

00:31:35.740 Because MSNBC has already undergone structural and investment change.

00:31:39.360 What is MSNBC?

00:31:40.000 When MSNBC started, it was a partnership between NBC and Microsoft.

00:31:45.400 That's where the MS comes from. 1.00

00:31:46.980 Even the MSN.

00:31:49.600 Microsoft News and then NBC.

00:31:52.860 And so you had MSN and NBC.

00:31:55.180 People don't even remember MSN.

00:31:56.480 But then they merged together and you get MSNBC.

00:31:59.400 Okay.

00:31:59.800 Then Microsoft pulled out in 2005.

00:32:02.600 Mostly pulled out in 2005.

00:32:04.240 Was completely out by 2012.

00:32:06.420 But MSNBC kept its name.

00:32:08.200 Microsoft remained a company.

00:32:10.620 Microsoft was totally out of this network.

00:32:12.240 MSN was done.

00:32:13.880 But it kept the name.

00:32:16.580 There was no fear of brand confusion at the time.

00:32:19.300 There was no, why did it keep the name?

00:32:21.580 Because at that time, the network was strong.

00:32:23.600 At that time, some people liked the network.

00:32:26.420 MSNBC could have been spun off of NBC Universal and kept the name MSNBC.

00:32:30.100 Just like it kept the MS and the MSN in 05 and 12.

00:32:33.820 It could have done that if the brand were not completely toxic.

00:32:39.000 Don't let them gaslight you on this.

00:32:40.960 Changing the name is not primarily because of some corporate spinoff and it's no longer associated with NBC Universal.

00:32:47.140 This is a great sign of the times.

00:32:49.160 MSNBC is simply a toxic brand.

00:32:51.500 The Joy Reads of the world and the Chris Hayes of the world and the Al Sharptons of the world and even a touch, the Rachel Maddow's of the world, though I have a great deal of sympathy for my doppelganger.

00:33:05.000 That is, Professor, are you bringing, did you bring me?

00:33:09.460 Thank you.

00:33:16.120 This, wow.

00:33:17.880 We are such a decadent, we are such an absolutely decadent company that we just keep tiny little bottles of, it's not quite champagne, but it's decent Prosecco.

00:33:28.040 Just on site.

00:33:30.460 Do I, what do I turn it?

00:33:31.460 Are we going to, are we pouring one out for my doppelganger, Rachel Maddow?

00:33:36.320 Are we pouring one out for MSNBC?

00:33:39.460 See you later, MSNBC.

00:33:46.940 See you.

00:33:49.300 It's MS Now.

00:33:50.820 Man, drinking at 9 a.m. Central?

00:33:55.100 That's aggressive even for me.

00:33:57.320 Folks, do you know what the number one piece of content, all content on the Daily Wire Plus app and dailywire.com is this week?

00:34:04.560 The number one of anything.

00:34:07.020 I'll tell you what, it's not Ben Shapiro's latest series.

00:34:10.260 It's not one of Matt Walsh's blockbuster movies.

00:34:13.060 It is, in fact, my docu-series on Pope Pius XII.

00:34:18.380 It's called The Pope and the Fuhrer of the Secret Vatican Files of World War II.

00:34:21.440 I so love that a 20th century pope is the top content on Daily Wire, beating all the other guys.

00:34:29.800 Now, I have a personal request.

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00:34:59.260 My favorite comment yesterday is from, it's kind of nice, a little mimosa in the morning.

00:35:06.700 My favorite comment is from Samantha Ross in 4216.

00:35:10.280 It says, Junior Prom Michael Knowles looks like he should be singing,

00:35:14.360 shu-wop, shu-wada-wada, yibbidi-boom-da-boom.

00:35:17.860 Oh, shu-wop, shu-wada-wada, yibbidi-boom. 0.99

00:35:19.800 I couldn't tell if initially that was an Italian joke.

00:35:23.400 Like, hey, bibbidi-bubbidi-bibbidi-boom.

00:35:25.580 Or, okay, it was, I didn't know if it was like, shaboom, shaboom.

00:35:29.080 Yada-da-da-da, no, no, it's a grease joke.

00:35:30.960 I looked like I was in grease.

00:35:33.040 I did, I looked, I definitely looked a little more greaser when I was a kid.

00:35:37.020 Leant a little bit more into the Italian side.

00:35:39.640 The wasp sartorial inclinations took over a little bit later. 0.99

00:35:43.780 Okay, speaking of toxic brands, Gavin Newsom.

00:35:48.340 Gavin Newsom really, really wants to be the Democrat nominee for president in 2028.

00:35:53.560 And he's right now looking at a wide field, but a shallow field.

00:35:57.520 So, you got your Kamalas.

00:36:01.220 Kamala ain't going nowhere.

00:36:03.220 She would be the heiress apparent.

00:36:05.280 You've got who else?

00:36:07.000 Pete Buttigieg?

00:36:08.360 I don't think so.

00:36:10.020 You've got AOC.

00:36:12.320 AOC is actually the strongest in that field so far.

00:36:14.900 You've got Whitmer in Michigan.

00:36:17.420 I don't think so.

00:36:17.960 You got Josh Shapiro.

00:36:18.920 Democrats don't like Jews anymore.

00:36:20.540 You got, who do you have?

00:36:23.960 Liz Warren?

00:36:24.680 Bernie's going to run again?

00:36:26.540 He's 150 now?

00:36:28.060 You don't have a lot.

00:36:29.480 So, Newsom sees an opportunity.

00:36:31.520 He says, this is my chance, but I'm a white man, straight, in the current Democrat field.

00:36:38.220 That's rough.

00:36:38.840 It would help him in the general, but it would hurt him in the primary.

00:36:42.120 And, oh, by the way, I'm like the worst governor in America ever.

00:36:46.000 So, he was a very liberal mayor of San Francisco.

00:36:49.720 He's a totally failed governor of California.

00:36:52.380 Let LA burn to the ground on his watch because of his policies.

00:36:55.540 So, he's got an issue.

00:36:58.320 The way he is trying to distinguish himself is by trolling Trump, you know, by being really bad.

00:37:05.040 So, here is just one example.

00:37:07.320 Trump posts on Truth Social.

00:37:08.920 Bela, I think he's probably writing Belarus, but this is sort of a, despite the constant negative press,

00:37:12.780 Covfefe situation, he started to post it, and then he just, whatever, he just posted it,

00:37:16.400 didn't worry about it, let it go.

00:37:18.860 Newsom responds, all caps, Donald Tiny Hands has written his autobiography this morning.

00:37:26.700 This is all caps, the whole thing.

00:37:28.280 Unfortunately, low IQ, he spelled it wrong, beta.

00:37:31.640 Soon you will be fired, beta, because of my perfect, beautiful maps.

00:37:36.480 Thank you for your attention to this matter, GCN.

00:37:40.860 Gavin Newsom, I don't know what his middle name is.

00:37:42.780 Yeah, I don't know.

00:37:46.520 I don't know.

00:37:46.960 The account has posted some that are kind of funny.

00:37:49.580 They did one of, like, Tucker Carlson and the ghost or angel of Hulk Hogan praying over Newsom.

00:37:56.860 It was kind of weird and absurd.

00:37:58.340 Still didn't totally, but that was, like, somewhat interesting, somewhat funny.

00:38:02.720 But this stuff doesn't hit.

00:38:04.880 The ones where it's just Newsom, and this is an actual Newsom press office account.

00:38:10.180 The one where it's just Newsom doing the Trump shtick, it doesn't totally hit.

00:38:16.860 It's getting people to talk about it, so in that way, I guess it's helping Newsom to distinguish himself.

00:38:21.240 But it doesn't hit to me.

00:38:22.940 It reminds me of when Rubio in 16 tried to do the Donald Trump bit.

00:38:28.240 Actually, on the tiny hands.

00:38:29.380 Remember, he went out there.

00:38:31.060 He did his Don Rickles routine.

00:38:32.720 He was like, oh, this is Trump.

00:38:34.180 This guy's got tiny hands.

00:38:35.820 You know what they say about small hands?

00:38:39.240 Weak leadership or something like that.

00:38:40.780 And it just didn't work.

00:38:42.620 It just didn't work.

00:38:43.300 Because you don't want tab cola when you can get the real thing, you know, when you can get the real Coca-Cola classic.

00:38:49.660 You know, it doesn't.

00:38:50.840 The reason it also doesn't work for Newsom is because it makes it all about Trump.

00:38:58.720 You know, right now, Newsom could say in the Democrat field, look, I'm the big dog.

00:39:03.200 I'm the big dog in the field.

00:39:04.380 All these other ones, other than maybe AOC, all these other ones are really weak compared to me.

00:39:08.460 So I'm just going to present myself as the alpha and the real presidential guy.

00:39:13.040 But by just trolling Trump, attempting to troll Trump like this, he's basically just saying, I'm like a reply guy to Trump.

00:39:19.900 He actually is diminishing himself and making Trump the main character.

00:39:23.820 And he's just this sort of ancillary character, this like 80s movie villain.

00:39:27.740 I don't think it works.

00:39:29.260 I don't think it lands.

00:39:30.160 So whatever, he can keep doing it.

00:39:31.300 That's fine by me.

00:39:33.060 I also think the other problem for Newsom right now, he's trying to distinguish himself quite early.

00:39:37.520 You know, we're six, seven months into the first year of Trump's second term.

00:39:42.760 You don't want to peak too soon in a presidential primary. 0.82

00:39:46.180 This is completely silly season.

00:39:48.500 And peaking too soon has hurt other candidates. 0.84

00:39:51.020 I mean, I think of one, Scott Walker.

00:39:52.720 I love Scott Walker.

00:39:53.960 He is one of my favorite politicians ever.

00:39:56.340 He's just a wonderful guy.

00:39:57.780 He would be a great president.

00:40:00.260 He peaked really early in the 2016 cycle.

00:40:03.420 He was the guy that all the smart money was on.

00:40:05.500 And had he peaked a little bit later, who knows?

00:40:07.580 Maybe Trump was just like an avalanche that was going to take over that primary.

00:40:10.720 But had he peaked a little bit later, he would have done well.

00:40:14.140 He should not have been the first guy out of the primary.

00:40:17.020 He was a very serious candidate.

00:40:18.340 He was a very, very serious governor.

00:40:19.980 And Newsom is a complete failure.

00:40:21.480 So the fact that he's peaking early, I don't know.

00:40:23.060 I don't think it bodes well for him. 0.98

00:40:24.780 If anything, the person that I think should be happiest about these stupid posts is AOC. 0.99

00:40:29.020 I think it helps her. 0.99

00:40:30.260 You don't become the main act by turning yourself into a heckler.

00:40:34.240 It's just not how it works.

00:40:35.320 Okay.

00:40:35.660 Speaking of curious uses of language, the Cambridge Dictionary is adding new words.

00:40:41.580 Are you familiar with these words?

00:40:43.600 They've added 6,000 new words, but the ones that are making the rounds right now, broligarchy.

00:40:50.420 Do you know broligarchy? 0.87

00:40:52.460 It's like an oligarchy, but of bros. 0.76

00:40:54.820 That one's easy to figure out.

00:40:56.140 DeLulu.

00:40:57.200 Do you know DeLulu?

00:40:58.880 DeLulu is that, you know that like demon doll that people have? 0.55

00:41:01.920 That's not DeBobo or something.

00:41:03.480 I don't know.

00:41:03.760 DeLulu is when you're delusional.

00:41:05.820 You're DeLulu. 0.94

00:41:06.540 That's a fun one.

00:41:07.940 Luke.

00:41:08.620 I don't totally get Luke.

00:41:11.860 Professor Jacob, are you on the intercom?

00:41:15.580 Phoning Professor Jacob, calling.

00:41:18.980 Hey, okay, you can respond, but you're a millennial.

00:41:20.880 I want to talk to a based Zoomer, like a Giga Chad mogging Zoomer. 0.64

00:41:25.040 What does Luke mean?

00:41:27.620 Hold on.

00:41:28.120 He's coming.

00:41:28.540 He's coming.

00:41:29.160 What's Luke?

00:41:29.820 Because I looked it up.

00:41:30.740 I luke it up.

00:41:31.460 And I think it means it's like a particular kind of fit, like an appearance that day.

00:41:37.080 Like, ooh, that's a Luke.

00:41:38.660 Is that right?

00:41:40.240 I don't know where you're hearing these words.

00:41:42.020 I have no idea what that is.

00:41:42.420 You don't know.

00:41:43.060 I can barely hear you because you talk like a Zoomer and you do a half a decibel when you speak. 1.00

00:41:48.280 But you're clearly not enough of a Giga-based super mogger because that's what it says.

00:41:55.020 I don't know, Urban Dictionary.

00:41:56.100 I mean, it says it's a luke is a luke.

00:41:59.620 I don't know.

00:42:00.600 You look particular that day.

00:42:03.180 But I don't want to talk about luke or DeLulu or Broligarchy. 1.00

00:42:07.280 I want to talk about a word that they added that some people are celebrating I think is a bad sign.

00:42:12.200 Trad wife. 0.84

00:42:13.300 They added the word trad wife to the dictionary.

00:42:16.800 And you know this term trad wife. 0.97

00:42:18.880 It's a portmanteau of traditional and wife, trad wife.

00:42:22.540 It's just simple.

00:42:22.980 It doesn't take a hip Zoomer to figure that one out. 1.00

00:42:26.260 I think it's bad that they added this to the dictionary.

00:42:30.040 I think trad wives are good. 1.00

00:42:32.180 I have a trad wife myself.

00:42:33.660 Love her very much.

00:42:35.080 But adding it to the dictionary is bad.

00:42:38.020 In the same way that adding the word cis man would be bad.

00:42:41.960 You remember the word cis man?

00:42:43.300 It shows you how done transgenderism is. 1.00

00:42:46.100 It shows you how it's been basically eliminated from public life entirely.

00:42:49.300 The whole preposterous ideology at every level.

00:42:51.880 Because three years ago, everyone was talking about cis man.

00:42:54.600 He's a cis man.

00:42:55.540 He's a trans woman.

00:42:56.600 And now we just laugh at that.

00:42:58.200 It's just a total punchline.

00:43:00.100 Remember cis. 1.00

00:43:00.700 Anyway, cis man just meant a normal guy.

00:43:05.740 As Norm MacDonald put it, he said it's a term to marginalize normal people.

00:43:09.860 So it would be bad to add that because the word should just be man.

00:43:14.300 Same thing goes for trad wife. 1.00

00:43:16.860 Like a trad wife is just what we used to call a wife. 1.00

00:43:19.180 It's like a woman who keeps a home, deals with the home economy, raises children, puts on a dress every now and again, cooks dinner. 1.00

00:43:30.600 We used to call that a wife. 1.00

00:43:32.000 Now we have to have a special term because the word that we now use for wife, when we refer to wives, that could also refer to people who behave like husbands.

00:43:43.000 It's bad, man.

00:43:45.540 It shows you how normal language has been perverted, which is one of the chief ways that the left advances its cultural agenda.

00:43:55.340 Okay, speaking of changes, I have a big story that I'm going to tease it.

00:43:59.780 I'm just going to tease it, okay?

00:44:02.000 Now, President Trump is trying to eliminate mail-in ballots before the midterm elections.

00:44:09.820 And this, perhaps more than anything, could swing the midterms in our favor.

00:44:15.160 This is very, very important and I think it's possible.

00:44:20.140 We'll get to that tomorrow, though.

00:44:21.180 Some people are saying, he can't do that.

00:44:22.540 That's impossible.

00:44:23.240 He doesn't have the authority.

00:44:24.140 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:44:25.140 They got to open their imagination.

00:44:26.260 I think it is possible.

00:44:26.900 But I won't tell you how yet because that's a tease.

00:44:32.620 And today is Woke Wednesday.

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00:44:39.120 Well, let's have fun.

00:44:42.460 Look at that.

00:44:44.660 Have fun.

00:44:45.820 Have fun.

00:44:47.600 Thank you.

00:44:50.780 Thank you.

00:44:52.100 Oh, man.

00:44:55.340 Oh, man.

00:44:55.920 Oh, man.

00:44:56.340 Youловico.

00:44:57.500 We'll have fun.

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The Michael Knowles Show - August 20, 2025

Ep. 1797 - Everyone Is Mad That Trump Wants to Go to Heaven

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