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00:00:38.340 Smiling preacher Joel Osteen, the senior pastor of America's largest congregation,

00:00:44.000 has come under fire for reportedly closing his doors to victims of the Houston floods.

00:00:48.580 We'll analyze on this Prosperity Podcast your best car ride now.

00:00:53.100 Plus, we'll have Pardis Selah and Kelly Campagna join the panel of deplorables to discuss Hillary Clinton live, 0.99

00:01:00.160 God help us, North Korea's latest act of war, and the health benefits of coffee and covfefe. 0.84

00:01:05.840 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:07.720 Talk about the power of positive thinking.

00:01:16.960 We're here today in the Ben Shapiro studio.

00:01:19.500 We have taken over.

00:01:20.720 Maybe this Prosperity stuff really works.

00:01:23.240 It is about 155 million degrees outside right now,

00:01:27.280 which is the one day or one of two days of the year in the Valley of Los Angeles

00:01:32.320 that they've decided to fix our air conditioning units.

00:01:34.800 So we're all in this bunker. We're all broadcasting out of Ben's today.

00:01:39.260 And we're just going to be sweating bullets for you all.

00:01:41.880 That's the kind of charity that we do here.

00:01:44.300 So we have to talk about Joel Osteen.

00:01:46.820 Joel Osteen is this preacher. He's that guy who's always smiling.

00:01:50.120 You see him on TV. He's lumped in with the Prosperity Gospel, big televangelist.

00:01:54.640 He actually has the largest congregation in the country.

00:01:57.960 It's 52,000 weekly attendees.

00:02:00.820 He's gotten very rich doing it.

00:02:02.460 I think his net worth is about $40 million.

00:02:05.720 He lives in a $10.5 million house.

00:02:09.280 And so anyway, he was accused of closing off the doors to his Houston church,

00:02:14.380 which houses or could seat 16,000 during this flood.

00:02:18.880 Initially, there was some confusion.

00:02:21.040 The spokesman said that the property was inaccessible, quote,

00:02:24.240 because of surrounding waters.

00:02:25.780 And then he went on and said, it makes no sense to open church doors when the city and county

00:02:29.840 already have places for the victims to go, where there are medical facilities and food and so on.

00:02:35.740 Now, this was contradicted by some people on social media who drove by the church and noticed that

00:02:43.260 there didn't seem to be any floods on the streets or in the parking lots.

00:02:47.460 Then some members of the church came in and said, really, there are a lot of floods in certain parts of the area.

00:02:53.280 So it's a little confusing.

00:02:55.140 Osteen has firmly denied that they closed the doors.

00:02:57.780 He said, we have never closed our doors, even though people, it appears, didn't go in there for refuge or for housing.

00:03:04.680 So hard to believe that claim exactly.

00:03:07.900 A quote, we will continue to be a distribution center for those in need.

00:03:10.520 We're prepared to house people once the shelters reach capacity.

00:03:14.040 Lakewood Church will be a value to the community in the aftermath of this storm

00:03:18.120 in helping our fellow citizens get on with their lives.

00:03:21.080 Now, for those who haven't been awake at three in the morning and watched Joel Osteen preaching on TV,

00:03:26.620 here is just a short clip to give you a sense of his preaching.

00:03:28.800 That isn't fair.

00:03:51.540 That is not fair.

00:03:52.440 It was actually not Joel Osteen.

00:03:53.900 That was Cartman.

00:03:55.040 But I just love that clip of preacher Cartman.

00:03:57.040 Not totally fair, but it does give you a little sense of the spectacle that Joel Osteen puts on.

00:04:02.740 And finally, we got our producer Marshall saved.

00:04:06.780 That's a pretty good benefit.

00:04:08.100 Let's go to a clip of Joel Osteen actually preaching.

00:04:13.760 Well, God bless you.

00:04:15.620 Always a joy to come into your homes.

00:04:18.220 We love you.

00:04:19.420 If you're ever in our area, I hope you'll stop by and be a part of one of our services.

00:04:24.220 I promise you, we'll make you feel right at home.

00:04:26.300 But thanks so much for tuning in today.

00:04:28.380 Thanks again for coming out.

00:04:29.900 I like to start each week with something funny.

00:04:32.040 And I heard about this man.

00:04:33.660 He was walking up to a country store.

00:04:35.860 And there was a little boy sitting on the front porch with a huge dog sitting next to him.

00:04:41.260 The man said, son, does your dog bite?

00:04:43.660 He said, no, sir.

00:04:44.580 My dog doesn't bite.

00:04:46.140 The man reached down to pet the dog.

00:04:47.720 And the dog took about half of his arm off.

00:04:49.920 He pulled it back.

00:04:50.960 He said, son, I thought you said your dog didn't bite.

00:04:53.220 The little boy said, that's not my dog.

00:04:57.380 Now, this clip reminded me of something that my priest that I talk about often, George Rutler, my priest in New York said, which is that those preachers who tell jokes like a ham actor in a dying vaudeville show should limit their repertoire to those jokes that St. John told the Blessed Virgin while her son bled on the cross.

00:05:14.600 Which is a different preaching style, you might tell.

00:05:17.960 Joel Osteen, a little bit lighter, a little lighter on theology in particular.

00:05:22.660 And the message he's preaching is all about being positive.

00:05:26.820 Let's go.

00:05:27.560 He really zeroes in on exactly what he's talking about to a clip of what the thesis of Joel Osteen's sermons is.

00:05:34.140 You may not realize it, but you entered a guilt-free zone.

00:05:38.400 You might as well leave it outside.

00:05:40.480 This is a righteous place.

00:05:42.540 It's a guilt-free zone.

00:05:43.880 This is very different than my own liturgical experiences as a Catholic where we strike our breast and say, my fault, my fault, my grievous fault.

00:05:52.120 It's all about building up self-esteem.

00:05:55.020 He's written a lot of books to this idea, and this may be in part why he attracts 50,000 people a week to his church.

00:06:02.680 Here is Osteen describing this to Chris Wallace.

00:06:05.280 The voice inside yourself and making sure that your inner conversation is positive.

00:06:12.220 I was really struck by that.

00:06:13.280 Explain what that means.

00:06:14.080 Yeah, I think it's a problem that a lot of people have, and it keeps them back.

00:06:18.360 It holds them back in life.

00:06:19.480 And I believe in our subconscious or in our thinking that we have a conversation going with ourselves, or I call it a recording playing.

00:06:26.940 And a lot of people, the recording is negative.

00:06:29.680 You know, I have friends.

00:06:31.360 They'll preach a great sermon, and they'll drive home thinking, well, I didn't do good today, and if I'd just done it a little bit better.

00:06:35.820 But I try to teach people that I believe God wants us to be positive toward ourselves, meaning that, you know what, I like the way I look.

00:06:42.600 I like the way I sound.

00:06:44.260 I'm happy with what I'm doing in my career.

00:06:46.260 And not always be beating ourselves down.

00:06:48.140 I think that's just, you know, I see people, they won't be negative toward other people, but inside they're negative toward themselves, and I think that holds us back.

00:06:56.640 Now, it's really hard not to like this guy.

00:06:58.720 Some people describe him as Tony Robbins, who occasionally talks about God.

00:07:02.480 He is just this very positive, nice, obviously very talented speaker, articulate.

00:07:08.600 And so this is what he's preaching, is positivity.

00:07:13.220 Whether or not it was a fair attack, it's unclear.

00:07:15.720 There are some tweets said that, you know, he did close the doors to his neighbors.

00:07:20.700 Some tweets said that he did not close the doors to his neighbors.

00:07:24.260 I'm really not sure, nor does it really matter.

00:07:26.720 They're doing a great job at the recovery efforts in Houston anyway.

00:07:30.060 The more interesting thing is this theology, is this movement that is so, in many ways, American, this prosperity theology.

00:07:37.500 And for a reference of this, Joel Osteen sent out one tweet that's gotten quite popular, which said, quote,

00:07:46.480 Don't waste time with people who don't appreciate what you have to offer.

00:07:49.940 The people around you should celebrate who you are.

00:07:52.880 And this presents an obvious problem because the center of the religion that Joel Osteen is ostensibly preaching was a guy who spent a lot of time with people who didn't appreciate him.

00:08:02.940 They so didn't appreciate him that they nailed him to a cross and killed him, and then three days later he came back from the dead.

00:08:07.920 So there is a little bit of a problem in this theology, and some people are angrier at him than others.

00:08:17.820 A lot of people call him a heretic and someone a false prophet, and you see these sort of things.

00:08:23.280 I'm not sure that that's quite fair because I don't know that he's ever called himself a true prophet.

00:08:28.900 The question is what does prosperity mean?

00:08:32.560 This prosperity theology that he preaches has roots back in the 19th century, goes back to a guy named Oral Roberts, who is a minister.

00:08:40.060 Joel Osteen attended Oral Roberts University, and he basically said expect material, expect a material prosperity, trusting God, and good things are going to happen to you.

00:08:51.820 It comes from a mixture of Pentecostalism, the New Thought, which was a movement also in the 19th century.

00:08:58.920 It comes from the unpublished writings of Phineas Quimby, and it's basically The Power of Positive Thinking, and The Gospel of Wealth, which is Andrew Carnegie's theory of philanthropy,

00:09:08.420 that when wealth disparity became immense in the United States during that time, it was incumbent upon the rich to help the poor in a way that would actually benefit them

00:09:19.020 and not encourage the promulgation of vice or something to that effect.

00:09:22.420 Now, there is some biblical warrant to this point of view that if you trust in God and you have faith and, you know, you do your best and God will do the rest, that you'll have a good material life.

00:09:33.280 We see this especially in Deuteronomy.

00:09:35.520 If you follow God's commands, you will prosper.

00:09:37.720 If you don't, then you won't.

00:09:39.300 We see it in Psalms.

00:09:40.420 Psalms is constantly talking about following God's will, and it will bring you good returns.

00:09:46.640 And Christ says this, too, in the New Testament, we have,

00:09:50.900 Seek ye the kingdom, first the kingdom of God, the rest will be given unto you.

00:09:54.720 The birds of the air and the flowers of the field are dressed very well, and they don't do anything.

00:09:59.540 How much more will our Lord take care of you?

00:10:02.140 How much more will your Father in heaven take care of you?

00:10:04.800 And so there is a scriptural basis for a lot of what he's saying,

00:10:08.480 and it seems unfair to criticize him as being totally outside of Scripture.

00:10:12.740 The trouble is there are a lot of Scriptures that also don't talk about this,

00:10:16.360 and it's hard to talk to someone in the third world or someone who's suffering from a terminal illness and say,

00:10:21.780 well, just have better faith and more good things will happen to you.

00:10:25.380 That seems shallow and unlikely because the Scripture also includes Job.

00:10:30.040 Job is a good guy.

00:10:31.040 He does everything God asks him to do, and because God makes a bet with the devil,

00:10:35.200 well, just the worst imaginable things befall him.

00:10:38.100 He loses his family.

00:10:39.020 He loses his wealth.

00:10:39.780 He loses his health.

00:10:40.880 Everything is taken away from him.

00:10:43.840 You know, it's not so much that what Joel Osteen says is wrong.

00:10:47.200 It's that he leaves out a lot of things that are right.

00:10:49.600 So you'll notice on his altar, on his stage, there's no cross.

00:10:54.260 And one reason given for that is that he doesn't want to alienate people who would find the cross offensive or off-putting.

00:11:02.020 And there's no serious accounting for suffering.

00:11:04.100 Suffering is always a test, you know, in his account of things.

00:11:08.460 And that doesn't seem to be the case throughout our experience of humanity and in Orthodox Christianity.

00:11:14.640 So, you know, the rain falls on the just and the unjust alike.

00:11:18.140 Aquinas has asked this.

00:11:19.340 Why do wicked men prosper?

00:11:21.160 And, you know, what do we really mean by prosperity?

00:11:24.720 If you read Joel Osteen and think of prosperity as a spiritual prosperity and the joy that comes from faith,

00:11:31.820 then he's absolutely right.

00:11:32.880 Then what he's saying is absolutely true.

00:11:34.760 If you read it and it means you make $40 million and you have a very nice house in Houston,

00:11:40.120 I don't know that that's exactly theologically sound.

00:11:44.680 You know, Osteen also talks about charity a lot.

00:11:47.280 And he's dinged for this.

00:11:48.560 Here's him on Larry King talking about his works, talking about charity.

00:11:51.300 We've had ministers on who said, your record don't count.

00:11:56.080 You either believe in Christ or you don't.

00:11:57.700 If you believe in Christ, you are.

00:11:59.780 You are going to heaven.

00:12:00.860 And if you don't, no matter what you've done in your life, you ain't.

00:12:03.600 Yeah, it's, I don't know.

00:12:05.100 You know, there's probably a balance between, I believe you have to know Christ.

00:12:08.600 But I think that if you know Christ, if you're a believer in God, you're going to have some good works.

00:12:14.560 And I think it's a cop-out to say, well, I'm a Christian, but I don't ever do anything to help anybody.

00:12:17.740 What if you're Jewish or Muslim and you don't accept Christ at all? 0.74

00:12:21.460 You know, I just, I'm very careful about saying who would and wouldn't go to heaven.

00:12:25.360 I don't know.

00:12:25.680 I think only God.

00:12:26.180 But you believe you have to believe in Christ.

00:12:27.920 I believe it.

00:12:28.560 They're wrong on it.

00:12:29.360 Well, I don't know if I believe they're wrong.

00:12:31.060 I believe here's what the Bible teaches.

00:12:32.620 And from the Christian faith, this is what I believe.

00:12:34.580 But I just think that only God can judge a person's heart.

00:12:38.440 And Osteen here, you have to give it to him, is quite honest.

00:12:42.580 He, this is theologically sound.

00:12:45.380 James says faith without works is dead.

00:12:48.020 Christ says, whoever does the will of my father is my brother and my sister and my mother.

00:12:53.820 And now one issue here is Osteen says, well, only God can judge.

00:12:58.360 Nobody has the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

00:13:00.020 But we know that isn't true.

00:13:01.520 We know that Christ tells Peter, Peter, you're now Simon.

00:13:05.960 You are Peter.

00:13:06.660 And on this rock, I will build my church.

00:13:08.480 Here are the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

00:13:09.960 Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.

00:13:11.960 Whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

00:13:14.160 And there's a real honesty in Osteen saying, that guy isn't me.

00:13:16.960 I do not have the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

00:13:19.680 I'm not going to condemn people.

00:13:21.080 And I'm not going to tell you who is going to heaven.

00:13:25.180 And his reluctance to talk about that is seen as cowardice, I think, in a lot of quarters in Christianity and on the right.

00:13:31.360 But at least he's honest.

00:13:33.200 He's not overstepping his bounds.

00:13:35.980 One issue is he always talks about how good we are, build up self-esteem.

00:13:40.560 But let's not forget, Jesus says in the scripture, why callest thou me good?

00:13:44.180 There is none good but one that is God.

00:13:47.120 But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

00:13:50.580 So now we're talking about Joel Osteen's charity and we're brought up against this one big act, his moment to shine.

00:13:58.340 This once in a lifetime natural disaster hits his hometown and it appears that he did not handle this very well.

00:14:04.740 Whether he really locked the doors or not, clearly he was not opening this monster church to invite the people of his neighborhood in.

00:14:11.840 This is going to fuel his critics.

00:14:13.180 This is going to fuel people who say he's only in it for the money.

00:14:15.760 I'm not accusing him of that.

00:14:17.060 I'm not certain of it.

00:14:18.360 He's always seemed a lot better than some of the other prosperity preachers and televangelists to me.

00:14:24.020 But it's a real mark against him and he's going to have to answer for that.

00:14:27.420 You know, he is primarily a televangelist and an author.

00:14:31.100 All of his books have basically the same title.

00:14:33.660 Become a Better You, Your Best Life Now, It's Your Time, Think Better, Live Better.

00:14:37.700 And he's really, he's honest about what he does and what he doesn't do.

00:14:40.400 Here's him also on Fox News Sunday.

00:14:41.760 You know, as a pastor, I'm not trying to get everybody to, that's not my main calling.

00:14:49.960 Like Billy Graham's, he was an evangelist.

00:14:51.440 He went out trying to win everybody to Christ.

00:14:53.580 And I am ultimately trying to do that.

00:14:55.240 But I'm trying to teach people how to live their everyday lives.

00:14:57.980 And so I do focus on it, probably not as much as some people would like.

00:15:02.460 He admits he's not an evangelist in the traditional sense.

00:15:06.040 He's very straightforward about that.

00:15:07.800 I took a look at his Twitter feed.

00:15:09.180 He has, Joel Osteen has tweeted 16,100 times.

00:15:13.440 He's used the words Jesus or Christ 112 times, which is a fairly small percentage of all of his tweets.

00:15:21.240 Now, the guy is honest about what he is.

00:15:23.540 We're seeing his true colors probably in this storm.

00:15:27.600 And that would be just fine, except that he is the senior pastor of the largest church in America.

00:15:34.800 So now we need to bring on our all-female panel of deplorables. 1.00

00:15:37.940 And we have two new guests today.

00:15:39.720 We have Kelly Campagna and Partis Sela, who has written for The Daily Wire before and now is writing for lots of other people.

00:15:48.080 Kelly, you are no stranger to that old-time religion.

00:15:51.980 Is there any room in this world for the prosperity gospel?

00:15:54.420 Well, I'm going to step back for a minute and put the question aside.

00:16:03.060 I think that the problem with Joel Osteen not opening his church is more so a liability question because my dad was actually a pastor for 10 years.

00:16:11.460 And we had a school actually come to – and they had some problems with their boiler.

00:16:17.840 It blew up or something.

00:16:18.820 And they wanted to use our building, which was right across the street.

00:16:21.280 And they said, can we do that?

00:16:22.640 And my dad said, okay.

00:16:23.480 But then he actually had to increase the insurance just on the building just so that they could use the church building for three weeks or whatever it was for the Christian school across the street.

00:16:36.100 So I – shockingly enough, I'm defending Joel Osteen on this issue.

00:16:40.380 There may be other liability reasons why he can't open the doors that are not being talked about because churches have to bend over backwards just to keep their own property.

00:16:49.580 I went to a church in the San Francisco Bay Area that they were requiring all kinds of expensive changes just so that they could keep the building.

00:16:56.500 And then they were told afterwards, oh, yeah, you're going to have to fix – revert the building back to its original status when you leave.

00:17:04.580 So that's kind of beside the whole prosperity gospel thing.

00:17:09.640 No, but I felt that too.

00:17:11.140 I agreed that I often judge a man by his critics.

00:17:15.220 And the people who were pouncing on Osteen didn't seem to me people who thought he wasn't Christian enough.

00:17:20.760 It was people who were pouncing on him because he purports to be a Christian.

00:17:24.600 And there is this obvious liability issue.

00:17:26.840 There are what seemed to be plenty of housing facilities for these victims already in Houston.

00:17:32.040 So if they don't need to open up this space, which doesn't have adequate doctors and perhaps food and so on and so forth, then why do it?

00:17:41.680 I felt it was a little bit of a disingenuous attack on him, though there are plenty other reasons to discuss the issues with his – what he does.

00:17:48.920 Just on the point of the prosperity gospel, I noticed with Joel Osteen that there's never any biblical references.

00:17:56.000 There's never any citations of verses.

00:17:58.560 And that's kind of – for me, I can't take somebody seriously if they don't actually know the Bible and they're trying to tell me how to live my life and what I should and shouldn't be doing.

00:18:06.000 I've grown up with these types of people all my life, and I'm repulsed by a lot of what they do.

00:18:13.060 It's – I mean, he's – you know, you've got to think better about yourself.

00:18:18.100 This is a guilt-free zone.

00:18:19.720 Romans 3.23, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

00:18:23.220 Did we forget about that verse there?

00:18:25.100 I mean, Jesus died to make you wealthy.

00:18:27.960 Yeah, he was thinking that when he was – when he had nails in his hands and feet.

00:18:31.660 That's exactly what he was thinking about right there.

00:18:33.740 Man, that was quite a defensive Joel Osteen.

00:18:36.300 That really took a turn.

00:18:39.140 Well, on that point, dear viewers, we have to say goodbye to Facebook and YouTube.

00:18:44.620 Thank you to all the current subscribers who can go over right now to dailywire.com.

00:18:48.180 We really appreciate it because normally we're able to take those subscriptions and have studios with air conditioning, except for today.

00:18:56.720 Today we're in this bunker, and that's totally fine.

00:18:59.160 If you go over there right now, it is $10 a month, $100 a year.

00:19:03.000 You get me, you get the Andrew Klavan show, you get the Ben Shapiro show, but forget all that.

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00:19:10.800 On a day like this, 105 degrees outside, I cannot wait for that camera to go off.

00:19:15.460 I'm going to fill this up with some nice, icy, cold, always salty and delicious Leftist Tears and sit out by the pool.

00:19:21.420 It is going to be absolutely fantastic.

00:19:23.160 And if you can stick around and watch the rest of the panel of Deplorables, we will teach you the seven tricks to have a better life today, to be the best you.

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00:19:34.360 Hillary Clinton is hitting the road.

00:19:47.400 This is the worst story.

00:19:49.540 This is worse than the North Korean nukes. 0.78

00:19:51.700 Hillary Clinton is going on the road.

00:19:53.740 It's going to be a 15-city Hillary Clinton live tour.

00:19:57.440 You can attend for a mere $1,200 per ticket.

00:20:00.680 Is that all?

00:20:01.200 That's all.

00:20:01.960 That for a one low price of $1,200 a ticket to see a woman who just keeps losing the presidency. 1.00

00:20:06.960 Pardis, I hesitate to even ask.

00:20:09.240 This tour is going through some states that she lost last time around.

00:20:13.160 Is she seriously considering running a third time?

00:20:17.960 Well, she's done it before.

00:20:19.340 I wouldn't be surprised if she did it again. 0.53

00:20:21.180 God help us.

00:20:21.800 When you know that you have, you know, you've already lost and continuing to run.

00:20:27.140 I don't see any reason why she would stop.

00:20:28.900 She didn't have a better chance before.

00:20:30.940 I guess that's true.

00:20:31.680 What is she going to do now?

00:20:32.780 Kelly, when will it end?

00:20:34.060 When will Hillary Clinton finally, after I think 3,000 years of haunting this earth, 0.90

00:20:39.440 when will she finally fade away?

00:20:41.900 Well, I thought that the name of her tour, Hillary Clinton Live, was rather an oxymoron

00:20:47.220 since we were all making fun of her for looking like a fourth-class family. 1.00

00:20:51.980 Hillary Clinton, undead.

00:20:53.520 That's going to be the new name of the tour.

00:20:55.660 It's The Walking Dead, season five, starring Hillary Clinton, who, by the way, is Michael

00:21:02.300 Knowles' distant relative, which is just very disturbing to me.

00:21:05.540 I was hoping nobody would bring that up.

00:21:07.260 I didn't want to have to relive that trauma.

00:21:09.320 But Hillary Clinton is, I believe, my second cousin once removed. 0.99

00:21:13.820 That is a damn shame. 0.98

00:21:15.660 But I think that Hillary just doesn't understand that it's time to quit. 1.00

00:21:22.560 I mean, obviously, I think she should have quit after the 2008 run or, you know, certainly

00:21:27.720 after the incredible smackdown in 2012.

00:21:31.620 You should think, OK, I'm really unpopular.

00:21:34.520 I should just fade away, be a grandma. 0.98

00:21:37.380 It's time to be done.

00:21:38.300 But when you have somebody who has spent her entire life and devoted her entire life to

00:21:42.740 one thing, and that's running for president, it's probably just impossible for her to let 1.00

00:21:47.740 that go.

00:21:48.240 She doesn't know how to do anything else other than, you know, make or request money and 1.00

00:21:55.480 run for office.

00:21:56.240 And what else is she going to do? 1.00

00:21:57.320 I have this image of her at her kitchen sink with a Brillo pad, like out damn spot, you 1.00

00:22:01.860 know, and she's just rubbing it for years and years. 0.98

00:22:04.120 She says, OK, I got to do something else.

00:22:05.800 I got to go on the road or something, part is Hillary Clinton in this tour.

00:22:10.660 I have to quote this.

00:22:12.060 She promises to let loose and tell her audience a personal, raw, detailed and surprisingly funny

00:22:19.240 story of her election loss.

00:22:22.220 Nobody buys her books.

00:22:23.260 Her own party hates her. 0.95

00:22:24.280 Who is going to show up for this thing?

00:22:28.040 Uh, I mean, anyone who's for her.

00:22:31.560 OK, on to someone who won the presidency.

00:22:36.920 President Trump has warned that all options are on the table with regard to North Korea

00:22:42.240 after they launched a missile that fired over Japan on Tuesday.

00:22:46.280 Now, this is the fourth missile that North Korea has fired in four days.

00:22:50.400 Kelly, I thought we took care of this.

00:22:53.020 What is the end game here for North Korea?

00:22:54.640 That's an excellent question.

00:22:57.800 And I'm not really sure what I mean.

00:22:59.760 I think that North Korea is basically trying to, you know, put show that it has muscle or

00:23:05.780 whatever.

00:23:06.880 But I think that my first instinct with North Korea has always been to bomb them and, you 1.00

00:23:14.460 know, pick up pieces later.

00:23:15.560 But that's why I'm not president.

00:23:16.960 Yeah, the people of Seoul are very happy that you're not in the Oval Office.

00:23:22.560 I think so, yeah.

00:23:24.100 But I think Trump needs to respond with a very measured response.

00:23:32.280 You know, in the past, and this is why I've actually supported President Trump's foreign

00:23:36.300 policy largely.

00:23:37.660 In the past, we've had President Obama, you know, come up with a red line and then Russia 0.75

00:23:43.900 or Syria or whatever will cross the red line.

00:23:46.180 Like, OK, we're drawing a new red line now.

00:23:48.580 You know, part of-

00:23:49.140 Well, it seems like they've already been doing that.

00:23:49.780 I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:23:51.960 It seems like they've already been doing that.

00:23:53.900 It just hasn't been reported yet.

00:23:55.780 And even, I think it was earlier today on Fox and Friends, Gorka, who had just resigned,

00:24:03.020 he had kind of hinted that that's what the Trump administration was already doing, that

00:24:09.400 the U.S. has already been interfering in North Korea's missile tests.

00:24:16.180 But, I mean, this was something that was confidential and it hasn't been reported in the media for

00:24:22.920 obvious reasons.

00:24:24.200 And they, I mean, it might be at this point.

00:24:27.160 See, it's not confidential anymore.

00:24:28.640 I don't think Fox and Friends is the...

00:24:30.580 It is a morning briefing for the president, but I don't know if it's the classified one.

00:24:36.920 Yeah.

00:24:37.320 Now, on a much more important story, a much more relevant story to all of our lives, coffee

00:24:42.280 is apparently good for your health.

00:24:44.860 The European Society of Cardiology is reporting that participants who consumed at least four

00:24:50.640 cups of coffee per day in a fairly broad study had a 64% lower risk of all-cause mortality than

00:24:58.260 those who almost never consumed coffee.

00:25:00.660 Now, Pardis, we already know that covfefe is good for your health.

00:25:03.920 Uh, is coffee also healthy and is this just evidence that scientists have no idea what

00:25:09.800 they're talking about because one day they tell us one thing and the next day they tell

00:25:13.000 us completely the opposite?

00:25:16.180 It's just evidence that I know what I'm talking about because I've been drinking coffee for

00:25:20.240 a long time now.

00:25:21.760 Uh, and so I secretly knew that coffee...

00:25:25.080 I started drinking coffee when I was six years old and I think I'd probably be like six foot

00:25:29.220 four if I hadn't, you know, but I don't regret it one bit.

00:25:32.480 I have no regrets.

00:25:33.640 Every one of those delicious double lattes I cherish in my memory.

00:25:37.800 Kelly, is there a strain of anti-science on the right?

00:25:41.460 You know, we joke about these guys don't know what they're talking about and it'll be the

00:25:44.820 opposite tomorrow.

00:25:45.800 But is there something about the right that does question these scientists?

00:25:50.020 And if so, is it justified?

00:25:52.440 I think it's definitely justified because one minute it's, it's butter that's bad.

00:25:57.340 No, now it's margarine.

00:25:58.300 No, now it's butter again.

00:25:59.520 That's why I eat them all.

00:26:00.480 I try to keep a balanced diet of butter, margarine, and I, sometimes I'll just spray

00:26:04.560 Pam directly into my mouth. 1.00

00:26:06.580 Oh gosh, that sounds disgusting.

00:26:08.340 But, um, it's, you know, it's cholesterol, it's, it's gluten now.

00:26:12.320 And what's it going to be in 10 years?

00:26:13.520 Um, I do think that there is a tendency because the right has been tricked or, uh, misled so

00:26:20.560 many times that even when the left is correct on some sort of scientific study, the right

00:26:25.700 is just automatically going to question it because so many times you've had, as I said,

00:26:31.120 you know, it's butter, it's margarine.

00:26:32.440 I can't believe it's not butter.

00:26:33.600 I mean, all the rest of it, you know, it's, um, it's almost like a bait and switch.

00:26:38.820 Oh.

00:26:39.140 And because science gets politicized.

00:26:41.540 I mean, the real point is I can't believe it's not science.

00:26:44.640 When we talk about global warming, when we talk about different areas of, of health science,

00:26:50.620 very often it's politicians who are pushing this.

00:26:53.060 Let's not forget it wasn't a scientist who made the movie An Inconvenient Truth.

00:26:56.180 It was a failed presidential candidate.

00:26:58.160 So, I mean, is, is that the issue?

00:27:00.360 Is there any way to depoliticize scientific research or are they always going to have policy

00:27:06.280 recommendations and that's always going to be political?

00:27:09.140 That's actually something I haven't really thought about.

00:27:11.420 I don't, it's very, once you politicize something, I, I, I can't think of a single

00:27:15.860 example of depoliticizing it.

00:27:18.300 Right.

00:27:18.460 It would be nice if we could take the, I think it, it comes down to a money issue.

00:27:23.340 Um, if you take away the federal grants and require that they all be private, um, you're

00:27:28.160 still going to have whatever agenda is behind the private money, but at least it's not, um,

00:27:33.280 tied to the government in any way that you don't have, uh, politicians necessarily pushing

00:27:37.220 it unless they're part of the private organization.

00:27:38.980 So the only thing I can suggest off the top of my head is privatization, but, uh, yeah,

00:27:44.440 it's very hard to depoliticize.

00:27:46.140 That's your answer for everything.

00:27:47.500 Kelly privatize, privatize.

00:27:49.000 That's my answer to, okay, we are running late and I'm melting.

00:27:52.340 So I got to get out of this studio panel.

00:27:54.500 Thank you so much for being here.

00:27:55.900 Part of say Len Kelly Campagna.

00:27:57.220 Now it is time for me to put on my smart glasses and mop the sweat off my brow and read the

00:28:02.760 final thought.

00:28:08.380 If prosperity preachers like Joel Osteen encourage you to do better for yourself, there doesn't

00:28:13.160 seem to me anything particularly wrong with that.

00:28:15.760 Within that narrow scope that Osteen sets for himself, perhaps his message can encourage

00:28:20.280 people.

00:28:20.920 If so, go with God.

00:28:22.480 The worry is that people might take him for something that he himself admits that he's

00:28:26.940 not.

00:28:27.840 In the weight of glory, C.S.

00:28:29.080 Lewis describes heresy, not as the promotion of vice over virtue, but rather as the promotion

00:28:34.480 of some particular virtue over all the others.

00:28:36.980 Charity to the exclusion of prudence, justice to the exclusion of charity.

00:28:41.320 The power of positive thinking is neither a theological nor a cardinal virtue, and it shouldn't

00:28:46.280 be confused for one.

00:28:47.540 Lest another Lewis admonition creep up on you.

00:28:50.040 He warns, if you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end.

00:28:53.640 If you look for comfort, you will not get either comfort or truth.

00:28:57.180 Only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin, and in the end, despair.

00:29:01.720 On that despairing note, I am Michael Knowles.

00:29:04.580 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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The Michael Knowles Show - August 29, 2017

Ep. 18 - Prosperity Podcast： Your Best Car Ride Now!

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