The Michael Knowles Show


Ep. 180 - Read My Lips： No New Taxes


Summary

Grover Norquist stops by to discuss how you don t even realize all the money that you're making thanks to the Trump administration, and then Grover spills the beans on an incredible piece of executive action that may make you even more money. After that, with conservatives like Tommy Lauren, who needs leftists, we will finally have to analyze Tommy's very unfortunate comments on television. And to make us all feel better again, Daily Wire 2 sports correspondent Jeremy the God King Boring stops by for a World Cup update.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Read my lips. No new taxes. Grover Norquist stops by to discuss how you don't even realize all the
00:00:06.300 money that you're making thanks to the Trump administration. And then Grover spills the beans
00:00:10.240 on an incredible piece of executive action that may make you even more money. This is all good
00:00:14.880 news. After that, with conservatives like Tommy Lauren, who needs leftists, we will finally have
00:00:20.440 to analyze Tommy's very unfortunate comments on television. But to make us all feel better again,
00:00:26.040 Daily Wire 2 sports correspondent Jeremy the God King Boring stops by for a World Cup update.
00:00:31.580 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.
00:00:40.740 There is so much going on today. I don't even know where to begin. Obviously, the Trump judicial
00:00:46.540 nominee, the Supreme Court nominee, has not quite come out yet. We're hearing little rumors. I don't
00:00:52.020 want to report on it quite yet, but we'll have more on that tomorrow. Some other great news.
00:00:56.460 I am going on tour. I am coming to a college near you. There's a time and a place for everything,
00:01:01.460 and that place is college. That's right. I'm teaming up with the YAF, Y-A-F, Young America's
00:01:06.460 Foundation, to go on a college tour this fall. It's going to be a lot of fun. You can check out,
00:01:10.720 they just did a story on it at yaf.org. You can read all about the tour. It's going to be called
00:01:15.120 Covfefe on Campus. We're going to be addressing the eternal questions. Politics, religion, how to be a
00:01:21.760 man when you look like a Maddow, how to not write anything and sell 100,000 copies. We are going
00:01:30.160 to analyze on this tour once and for all what Covfefe really means. If you want your college to
00:01:35.980 be a part of that tour, go to yaf.org and put in a request ASAP. I'd really put it in quickly because
00:01:41.920 there are only going to be limited engagements, and we're going to start looking at that list
00:01:45.400 really soon. So go to yaf.org and put in a request ASAP if you want Covfefe on your campus
00:01:51.580 this fall. And again, it is time to join the conversation. On Tuesday, July 17th at 5.30
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00:04:24.700 silent, simple solution to household insect control. Without further ado, I do want to talk a little bit
00:04:31.300 more about what's going on in the news and about this YAF tour. Before that, I need an update from the
00:04:36.460 world of sports. For that, we turn to our sister network, DailyWire2 sports correspondent,
00:04:40.860 Jeremy the God King Boring.
00:04:49.600 Yowza! Thank you, Michael. It's great to be back with you for a segment one YouTube commenter
00:04:54.460 observed as coming off more like ignorance than humor. That's our DailyWire2 coverage of the Fuji
00:04:59.880 Water World Cup. Let's get right into the action, or what passes for action in a sport where the tied
00:05:05.740 game can be resolved by giving two teams yet another opportunity to tie.
00:05:10.140 That, however, is not what happened in our first story of the week. That is host Russia's
00:05:16.220 humiliating defeat at the hands of their former socialist protégés, Croatia. After a tied match,
00:05:22.660 Michael, it all came down to the shootout, in which each team was given five penalty kicks to
00:05:27.740 determine the winner. It's actually the most eventful and near stimulating moment in any soccer
00:05:32.820 match, which raises an obvious question. Since any tie is statistically indistinguishable from a
00:05:38.660 zero-zero score, which is how every game begins, why can't we just skip the entire deathly dull affair
00:05:45.220 and go straight to the shootout in every soccer match? Of course, that would admittedly make soccer
00:05:50.820 feel like a completely frivolous non-game in which the winner is essentially determined by luck,
00:05:55.800 which I believe is the answer to YouTube commenter Mikey87's question of the week.
00:06:00.820 Well, you're half right, Mikey87, as Russia found out the hard way by being unmanned by a nation with
00:06:16.260 roughly 3% of their gross domestic product. Also, if you skip the entire match, where would you put the
00:06:22.640 funny commercials? Oh, that's right. There aren't any funny commercials in soccer, since no human being
00:06:28.300 anywhere on earth has the kind of willpower and discipline over their attention span to actually
00:06:32.780 wait even longer to see what's going to happen in the next slow-moving children's game in which not
00:06:38.060 a single thing has ever happened since that one guy was hurt ironically while faking an injury in 1957.
00:06:43.820 Also, most people for whom this dreadful exhibition is their only escape don't have the individual income
00:06:49.020 to purchase things in the first place. Still, the biggest news of the week, at least for Anglophiles,
00:06:55.660 was England's defeat of Sweden, both in GDP, $2 trillion to $511 billion, and in gameplay, 2-0.
00:07:03.580 That's right. England has officially made the semifinals, bringing their number one best-selling
00:07:09.180 single dream one step closer to reality. It's coming to the house.
00:07:17.260 Of course, I know that many of our viewers, as proud and patriotic Americans, are wondering why
00:07:22.380 we here at The Daily Wire 2 haven't devoted a bit more time to covering America's standing in the
00:07:27.180 current worldwide tournament. We too have been confused as to why we haven't seen Old Glory waving
00:07:33.020 above more matches. Fortunately, angry YouTube Killjoy Morosa pointed us to the answer with this
00:07:39.420 edifying comment, quote, clearly you're triggered because the US couldn't qualify against the likes
00:07:46.140 of Panama and Trinidad and Tobago, LOL. Candidly, Morosa, this sports journalist had no idea, as I,
00:07:54.460 like almost every one of America's native sons who didn't grow up doing missionary work in the third
00:07:58.620 world or being a girl, never contemplated this farce of a competition, even once since I was five
00:08:05.260 years old and learning basic motor functions. I am, however, certainly triggered now that I know.
00:08:11.020 You mean to tell me that despite having a GDP equal to 25% of the world's total economy,
00:08:16.860 owning the world's reserve currency, having the finest athletes in the world as evidenced by almost
00:08:21.340 every metric, including having won more medals than any other country in the Olympics by double,
00:08:27.500 having the longest enduring constitutional republic in human history, and having almost single-handedly
00:08:32.220 invented all of the splendid wonders of modernity, and having kept the free nations of the world
00:08:36.540 largely safe for more than a half century, America can't beat a Caribbean island nation with fewer than
00:08:41.740 a million and a half people and a GDP lower than that kid who invented putting pictures of your food
00:08:46.380 on the internet for people to like? Why? I dare say one begins to wonder if this whole soccer business
00:08:52.860 is even a fair measurement of human accomplishment at all. Michael, yowza! Back to you.
00:09:00.140 A really thorough report, Jeremy. I really appreciate that. I was wondering, would you say you spent more
00:09:06.620 time looking at the YouTube comments on our segment or watching the World Cup?
00:09:11.580 Yowza! Back to you.
00:09:16.540 Terrific. Well, I can't wait for the next update. I do have to ask, as I think are all red-blooded
00:09:22.460 patriotic Americans, how much longer is this World Cup going to go on?
00:09:25.740 Hell if I know, Michael.
00:09:27.340 Well, I gotta tell you, I sort of hope this World Cup keeps going on and on, because
00:09:32.860 well, I haven't been watching it. I really, these segments have really kept me so abreast. I feel
00:09:40.780 like I've learned something in every single one, and I hope the rest of our audience has finally
00:09:45.260 learned something too. Jeremy, Jeremy the God King Boring, everybody. See you next week.
00:09:52.460 Really thorough stuff. I'm really glad we finally started up that sister network, you know,
00:09:57.740 for all of that important sports coverage that we couldn't get to. Really great.
00:10:01.420 So we had Grover Norquist come by. We're obviously all waiting for the Supreme Court
00:10:07.660 nomination decision right now. I have noticed that people are just saying a little gossip
00:10:13.660 on Twitter and everything. All of the people in the Trump coalition who really matter to the Trump
00:10:20.220 coalition from a wide variety of places in it, movement conservatives, Republicans, officeholders,
00:10:25.340 grassroots activists, all this, they all seem to be pushing for Amy Coney Barrett, though it's unclear
00:10:30.300 right now who it's going to be. We'll talk about that a little at the end, what Trump has to gain
00:10:34.700 or lose from the possible nominees. I also am going to take on Tommy Lahren, and you know it kills me.
00:10:40.940 I try to be so nice to people, and I don't want to like destroy so-and-so or destroy or whatever,
00:10:46.220 like be mean to people within the broad tent of the right wing. Tommy Lahren has just gone too far,
00:10:51.260 and she's slandered pro-life conservatives one too many times, and she's really spouting destructive
00:10:57.100 nonsense. So we're going to cover that at the very end. Before we get to Grover, I got to make
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00:13:51.840 of the conservative movement for the last 50 years, Grover Norquist. He's the head of Americans for
00:13:57.920 Tax Reform. He was the head of the College Republican National Committee when he was a young man.
00:14:02.940 I believe it was President Reagan who asked him to start Americans for Tax Reform.
00:14:06.660 He has been a conservative leader to keep the Republican Party to the right, to keep our taxes
00:14:11.660 low, to stop the government from taking away our freedom and our property. He stopped by to talk
00:14:16.440 about what's really going on in the Trump tax plan, what it means for the rest of us, what President
00:14:22.260 Trump's administration can do and might be doing to give you even more disposable income, and where he
00:14:28.340 sees the conservative movement going. Without further ado, here's my interview with Grover Norquist.
00:14:32.040 Grover, thank you for being here. Yes. So, I look around right now. I see a deregulation,
00:14:38.800 government on the way to being able to drown itself in a bathtub. I see major tax reform.
00:14:50.140 Grover, thank you for being here. Yes. So, I look around right now. I see a deregulation,
00:14:56.500 government on the way to being able to drown itself in a bathtub. I see major tax reform. I see a movement
00:15:03.820 for smaller government. I see more originalists on the court who are willing to rein in an expansive
00:15:09.460 government. Are you ready to declare victory? I'm ready to declare that we're moving in the right
00:15:15.280 direction. We have a long way to go because the other team took a hundred years to mess it up. Half of
00:15:22.600 the federal government was created in four years, between 34 and 36, the New Deal, a bunch of
00:15:29.060 entitlements, and between 64 and 66. That's 10% of GDP absorbed by government programs created in four
00:15:36.920 years only. But to get there, they had to get a supermajority, pass it, back off, and lose the next
00:15:44.040 set of elections, and then keep going with some steady upward movement, largely because of their
00:15:50.680 entitlement. So, we have a long way to go, but we are heading in the right direction on several
00:15:55.700 parallel paths. As you say, regulation, taxes, even on spending. I mean, we're going to make,
00:16:02.340 we're making some progress. Absolutely. It's difficult to keep in mind how much ground we lost
00:16:08.820 during the Obama administration. And this was such the argument in 2016. You say, guys, you know,
00:16:14.620 we have careened off of this cliff. We need to do anything we can to pull it back in the right
00:16:19.360 direction. On tax reform, which a lot of President Trump's critics said that it's never going to get
00:16:24.900 through. They're not going to be able to pass it. He's able to get it through in his first year.
00:16:29.960 Does tax reform mean a better PR strategist? It seems like this should be much more popular than it
00:16:35.640 is. It's a tax cut for virtually all Americans. And when you factor in the corporate tax cut,
00:16:39.540 it is a tax cut for all Americans. Why is it not more popular? There are two challenges. The first
00:16:45.140 is that today, 83% of Americans have direct deposit for their paychecks. I don't see my paycheck. It
00:16:52.880 goes straight to the bank. I couldn't, I couldn't tell you how much of a tax cut I got because I don't
00:16:59.440 look at that difference. And so quite a number of Americans have not looked and seen that every two
00:17:05.420 weeks, every month, they've got more being put into their bank accounts than last year.
00:17:11.840 The IRS calculates that more than 90% of Americans have a significant cut in their taxes, which means
00:17:18.400 an increase in their pay. It's one of the things we need to say over and over again is a tax cut
00:17:23.060 is a pay increase for taxpayers. A tax cut is a pay increase for taxpayers. And 90% of Americans got
00:17:30.260 that pay increase. In May, there was a jump in consumer spending. Some economists think that people
00:17:35.640 actually looked at their bank account and said, hey, there's more than we thought. And they didn't notice
00:17:40.640 it every two weeks, but they did notice it in May and you saw spending move upward. The other challenge
00:17:47.120 is we made fundamental changes in the economy that will be benefiting us for the next 100 years with more
00:17:53.980 investment in the United States. $300 billion flowed back in in the first three months of this year,
00:17:59.340 $305 billion. $1.7 billion is expected over a two-year period. That translates into higher wages.
00:18:07.700 The economists say between $4,000 or $5,000 for somebody making between $50,000 and $70,000 a year.
00:18:13.320 That doesn't happen tomorrow, but it goes up and it lasts the rest of your life in terms of that
00:18:17.800 increased sustainable pay increase because of more capital here in the United States.
00:18:23.540 That's a great point. And when you talk about rearranging certain institutions and certain
00:18:28.480 structures in the United States for longer-term investment, for longer-term prosperity,
00:18:33.020 the tariffs have been in the news a lot lately. President Trump is threatening these tariffs
00:18:36.500 with people who are ripping us off, who the World Trade Organization would say
00:18:40.140 is playing unfairly. What are the risks? What are the rewards of this tariff fight? And how do you
00:18:45.800 think it's going to play out? Well, Trump is right on two big points that we've agreed to
00:18:50.060 tariff deals, to free trade agreements that are less advantageous to the United States than they
00:18:58.520 should have been. This is after World War II. We felt sorry for everybody. They were all flattened. We
00:19:03.040 were still doing reasonably well. And we gave away more than we needed to over time, both to Japan and
00:19:09.620 to Germany, the people we vanquished and our allies in Europe. Those need to be readjusted.
00:19:15.720 And just as the fact that the Europeans don't pay enough for their defense on NATO, we pay more than
00:19:22.660 they do. And it's their neighborhood we're defending. We're not worried about the Canadians
00:19:26.720 whacking us. Well, not since 1812 anyway. So we do have to rethink some of this. And Trump is
00:19:35.640 completely right. And the Europeans go nuts because they've been on a free ride for a long time.
00:19:39.640 And that does have some of our trading partners. He's right about that. Second point is that he
00:19:45.120 wants to get to a more open and freer trading agreement, not to have permanent walls or barriers
00:19:50.640 or protectionism. That's not what he's argued for. He has threatened tariffs in order to get their
00:19:56.200 attention to reduce tariff barriers. And some of the agreements that seem to be coming will do exactly
00:20:03.360 that. The danger that his goals are good and important. The danger is that when you're playing
00:20:08.860 this game of fighting with tariffs, you're not in charge of both sides of this. The Chinese can decide
00:20:16.880 maybe they like certain tariffs and they can take a lot more pain because they don't have elections in
00:20:22.160 November. And we do. So a trade war that goes on as opposed to a conflict and argument and trying to
00:20:31.720 come to a better agreement, one that's even going to be better for the Europeans and other trading
00:20:36.700 partners over time. I think there is that danger that it spins out of control. And we end up with
00:20:43.640 the Hatfields and McCoys. Nobody can remember who was punching who, why, but we keep punching each
00:20:47.560 other. That is a danger. It's happened before. But I do think that with the people around Trump
00:20:52.960 and Trump himself, they understand that the goal is more open trade because we win that.
00:20:59.480 But we also need to keep our taxes low. We were handicapping ourselves when we had a 35% corporate
00:21:07.420 rate and communist China, 25%. We're at 35. Does that make any sense at all? We shoot ourselves in the
00:21:13.860 foot with trade and then yell at the Chinese because that's their fault? No, that was stupid things
00:21:19.620 our government did to us. Our trial lawyer laws, our tort laws are destructive. No other country's as
00:21:26.800 goofy as our tort laws are. We need to reform that. And our regulatory rules are much more damaging to
00:21:36.320 us than any other country does to themselves. So some of the stuff we can just stop beating our own
00:21:41.760 head against the wall. That's helpful. And the other we need to tell the Europeans and the Japanese
00:21:46.040 and the Chinese, we need to get better agreements. The president's committed to that. We get that in the
00:21:51.320 next couple of months. I think you'll see the stock market shoot through the roof going into November
00:21:55.860 because it's a little bit slower than it could be. The tax cuts done very well, but there's a concern
00:22:02.760 that tariffs could escalate. Yeah, could escalate, could wipe out some of those gains. And it is such
00:22:10.140 a great point. A lot of those trade deals negotiated after World War II, you think now we're 70 years on,
00:22:15.520 we don't need to keep, you know, doling out the charity here. And same thing with NATO. I wonder,
00:22:21.860 looking forward at the election, what can President Trump point to? Booming economy, record high
00:22:27.760 employment, tax cut for virtually all Americans, on and on and on. Foreign affairs in a more stable
00:22:32.940 place. The regulatory regime being slashed. I'm sorry? No war. No war. That's right. I mean,
00:22:38.780 we could be here all day naming the concrete policy achievements of the administration.
00:22:44.620 And so what the left throws out is allegations of racism or Nazism or he's a mean person and he's a
00:22:52.360 sexist or whatever. How do you think that will play? You've been in Republican politics a long time.
00:22:57.500 How do you think that plays in November? Historically speaking, probably Republicans should lose the
00:23:01.860 House. How do you see things shaking out? Yeah, I think the Senate looks very good because of the
00:23:06.560 playing field, because of the quality of the candidates we got. We're not running any more
00:23:10.540 moors in Alabama, running top quality candidates. How do you lose Alabama? How do you lose Alabama?
00:23:16.540 It's unbelievable. Yes, it was not helpful. And had we gotten that, there are a number of things we
00:23:23.060 could have accomplished this year that we just weren't able to, that we will be able to do next
00:23:26.480 year. Now, I'm a little less worried about the House than some people because when they say the
00:23:31.120 average over the last 10 elections is to lose 30, the reason that's the average is that when
00:23:36.300 Clinton raised taxes, he lost 60. When Obama raised taxes, he lost 60. You average those with the two
00:23:42.900 Bush years where they didn't really lose much at all and gained a little bit. 60 and zero averaged to
00:23:50.020 30. But our guy, Trump, and the Republican House and Senate didn't raise taxes, didn't explode new
00:23:57.320 government programs. And so I'm not sure that there's some sort of rule about 30. It's a historical
00:24:05.800 accident. But I think it is if you raise taxes and throw on massive new spending programs, you lose a
00:24:11.360 lot of house seats. So we do have to worry. The other team's very energized. They see their whole future
00:24:16.200 evaporating in front of them. They see a Supreme Court that no longer drags the country to the left
00:24:22.200 every three months with some new lurch. I mean, they think we're going to go whack back the other
00:24:27.660 way. If we just got a Supreme Court which held things steady and let the House and the Senate and
00:24:31.900 the American people make decisions, we wouldn't be dragged leftward, ever leftward. And there are
00:24:37.720 some decisions on questions like racial quotas and property rights and how much power the bureaucrats
00:24:44.620 have, Chevron deference and other issues like that, where I think we will see sizable shift as we did
00:24:50.400 with the Janus case, which says 5 million people who've been forced to pay union dues even though
00:24:55.800 they didn't want to join the union, you don't have to do that anymore. That's huge. That's a
00:25:01.740 tremendous step forward towards liberty and has the side benefit of defunding the modern left.
00:25:07.140 That is it. And that is the focus. I know some people, particularly Trump's critics on the right,
00:25:13.200 they were just arguing over how many Republicans can dance on the head of a pin. And of course,
00:25:18.900 the object here is liberty and liberty is increasing. The Janus case is a good example
00:25:23.560 of that. Although we do see, even from the Tea Party years onward into this new Trump era of
00:25:30.140 politics, a shift in the conversation from issues like deficits, the primacy of lowering taxes,
00:25:37.960 increasing economic liberty. There is a bit of a shift into cultural issues. We're talking,
00:25:42.340 you know, Andrew Breitbart was fond of saying politics is downstream of culture. Now there are these
00:25:46.580 larger cultural issues. Do you see that trend moving even more in that direction? Do you see
00:25:51.900 that as opposed to the economic agenda or do they work in tandem? Well, the establishment press,
00:25:57.940 I don't know why people call them mainstream press. They don't work out in the middle of the country.
00:26:01.300 Nobody watches. I think I get more viewers than MSNBC. I'm on the internet.
00:26:05.920 But the establishment press, the three networks and PBS and stuff like that,
00:26:09.720 they find cultural issues, left of center cultural issues, endlessly fascinating because you can talk
00:26:17.620 about them without knowing anything. And you can also talk about them without any numbers involved
00:26:22.240 to get in the way of your theory. Whereas if you want to talk about spending and taxes and growth,
00:26:27.440 you do have some numbers that are kind of hard reality to bounce up again. We're better off
00:26:33.300 expanding liberty. I think culture is downstream of politics in the sense that if we give people
00:26:39.320 more liberty, we now have 2 million people homeschooling. 30 years ago, only two states
00:26:44.600 allowed homeschooling. We changed the law to allow concealed carry permits in more than 40 states.
00:26:51.240 There's 17 and a half million Americans with concealed carry permits. That changed the nature of the
00:26:56.440 Second Amendment debate more than anything else. Not hunting. Hunting's been fairly stable,
00:27:01.180 declining even. But people with concealed carry permits feeling comfortable carrying to defend
00:27:06.940 themselves and their families have changed the culture. And with the decline in union power,
00:27:15.820 meaning power over workers, workers are more free to vote the way they want to instead of how they're
00:27:21.720 told to. Hence, Trump and the Republicans carrying Ohio and Michigan and Wisconsin and Indiana and Iowa
00:27:27.680 all have a unionized states that years ago the unions would have driven the vote and the politics in
00:27:33.500 those states with forced union dues. Now we have right to work in Michigan. In Iowa, they passed Act 10
00:27:41.020 like they did in Wisconsin saying no more stolen money in politics. I'm not opposed to money in
00:27:48.140 politics. I'm opposed to stolen money in politics. Right. That's a great point. And when you give people
00:27:53.060 liberty, they will react. It is funny. You can picture two people bickering over politics and this
00:27:58.680 and that. But then when you present them with the reality of prosperity, the reality of deregulation,
00:28:05.420 the reality of just being more free to say what you want to say and do what you want to do and
00:28:10.180 spend your money the way you want to spend your money, raise your kids the way you want to raise
00:28:13.840 your kids, a lot of that goes away. There's an entire generation now, my generation, that grew up with
00:28:19.880 really only foggy memories of economic prosperity. And I think the reality of that is really finally
00:28:26.040 setting in. I have to harken back because you're so famous for Americans for tax reform being the
00:28:31.760 central force in conservative politics for decades. You also were the executive director of the College
00:28:37.440 Republican National Committee. Now, having spent some time with the College Republicans, I go to
00:28:42.660 campuses and speak a fair bit. Do you see any shift there? Have you paid attention to what's going on
00:28:47.840 on the campuses? Obviously, the universities themselves have imploded because of leftist
00:28:53.320 tyranny, basically. But what's going on with the conservative movement as it takes place on
00:28:58.820 university campuses? Well, I was in college 74 to 78, and we were coming right out of the 60s.
00:29:05.500 I was at Harvard, where the left took over buildings and trashed up. So the idea that conservatives
00:29:12.760 today are put upon strikes me is this is not completely new. This has happened before. They were blowing up
00:29:20.900 things in the 60s and the 70s with bombs and killing people. So the left on campus, the weathermen and so on,
00:29:29.240 the Black Panthers, these were serious, deadly, serious political structures. And now, you know,
00:29:39.440 they trained Mau Mau people. But even I think one of the advantages the right had coming out of the 70s
00:29:46.400 was the boy named Sue phenomenon, which is to be a liberal. All my left-wing friends at the Harvard
00:29:53.320 Crimson Student Newspaper was me and a bunch of Bolsheviks. And they would say things like, well,
00:29:58.580 you know, the death marches in Cambodia, they're bringing people into rural health clinics. That's
00:30:03.700 what they would say was going on. And everybody would go, oh, that's very nice that they're moving
00:30:07.880 people into rural health clinics. It's hundreds of thousands died and were murdered. But nobody
00:30:13.360 challenged them. But if I could say, I think property rights are important, you'd get 20
00:30:18.900 questions. Well, what if you're on an island and there's only one, you know, well, and you own the
00:30:23.720 you really had to be on the top of your game to be involved in politics. The Dartmouth review crowd
00:30:30.060 at Dartmouth University, they put out a feisty, well-written free market conservative publication,
00:30:38.200 and they got hit all the time. They really had to learn to defend themselves. And a lot of talent
00:30:43.240 came out of the campuses because they were oppressed, because they were asked 50 questions,
00:30:51.120 defend yourself, defend yourself, defend yourself. And the left guys like Gore could go around going,
00:30:55.080 I invented the internet. And nobody said, excuse me, come again. And now they're even more
00:31:03.880 lackadaisical on the left. They have a couple of magic words. They say diversity, and they're
00:31:08.360 supposed to have won the argument, whatever that is supposed to imply. Well, now it's really the
00:31:13.280 boy named Sue phenomenon where you just have to call boys Sue. That's the, that's the thing you say,
00:31:18.000 okay, we can't question this. Okay. Yes. Yes, it has to be a challenge. But, but I think our guys
00:31:24.900 are tougher coming out of campus because of that, and we'll be again. You are totally right. I can
00:31:30.140 attest to this just from my own brief experience. You know, there, there was, when I was in college,
00:31:36.260 they, the lefties had their Occupy New Haven protest and they weren't going and taking over.
00:31:42.800 I'm sorry. Why would you want to do that? I've been to New Haven. I know. Listen, I, you know,
00:31:48.000 I was in New Haven for four years. Then I stopped occupying. I got out of there basically right
00:31:51.920 afterward, but these people, they come in and they just occupy, they didn't take over Willard Hall
00:31:56.480 and, you know, with machine guns or something. They just sort of sat around like boring hippies.
00:32:00.880 And, but for the 10 of us or so on campus who were conservatives, they, there were all of these
00:32:06.820 jibes. You were constantly having to defend your thoughts. And this was really good because you,
00:32:10.740 you actually did change your thoughts. It's why I recommend to people who write in and say,
00:32:15.240 should I, you know, should I never send my kid to any left-wing institution? I said, no,
00:32:19.960 send him to some crazy left-wing school. As long as he can defend his thoughts, it'll either,
00:32:24.440 it'll ruin him or it will make him actually understand what he thinks and think through
00:32:28.620 his own conservative thought. They had at Yale, they had the Buckley program, uh, free speech
00:32:34.460 gala a few years ago, and they had Yale students spitting on the attendees. They said, how dare you
00:32:40.460 want to have free speech and consider other ideas? I mean, that's, that's really the education
00:32:45.680 that the left gets on campus. The right has so much more opportunity. I'll just, uh, I want to
00:32:51.020 leave on this one question. Where do you see it going? You know, uh, from the campuses all the way
00:32:56.680 up through the white house, what is next for the conservative movement? You've been, you've been
00:33:00.780 at the center of it for so long. Where are we headed? Sure. The next big win is this Supreme court
00:33:07.040 appointment, which will give us a five, four, uh, control that really will, uh, reign in some of
00:33:14.500 the abusive drift to the left. And that has nothing to do with president Trump, right? That's what my
00:33:18.940 Trump critic friends on the right, that had nothing to do with Trump. Trump won. Romney forgot to win.
00:33:25.940 Okay. He just let it out of his mind, but it's, oh, I should have won. Yeah. Darn.
00:33:30.680 Um, there is, there is virtue in winning. Um, and also again, he put together that list. This is,
00:33:38.940 you know, the idea that somehow this, he put together a list. He said, hold me to this. This
00:33:43.360 is what I'm going to do. Uh, better than what, than, than either Bush did better than what Reagan
00:33:48.620 had, frankly. Now he had over time, a conservative movement around him. It made that a lot easier.
00:33:54.320 He had a Republican house and Senate that made it easier, but that still didn't get Romney or McCain
00:33:59.260 across the finish line. And we, we limped across the finish line twice with, with Bush. So, um,
00:34:05.440 Trump brought something to the table by winning and he is governed, uh, in a way that expands
00:34:11.960 Liberty through the courts. He's focused on the courts along with Mitch McConnell. The two of them
00:34:16.320 are working that very, very well. They keep winning more and more of those, uh, seats. I understand
00:34:22.080 we'll have 20 to 25% of the circuit court seats by December. Wow. So this is very helpful. Keep the
00:34:29.060 Senate. We can keep that, uh, going the next big apple to drop. The next big thing to happen
00:34:35.560 is that there is a movement for the treasury secretary to change the, say by the definition
00:34:43.000 of cost, when you calculate capital gains is not cost, what you paid for land or a building or stock,
00:34:49.740 but cost plus inflation. So it takes inflation out of capital gains. About half of capital gains
00:34:56.180 is inflation. When you sell a home, a building, land, stock, your grandmother's own for 50 years.
00:35:01.680 And it will drop in effect, drop the capital gains tax in half, uh, and tremendously strengthen
00:35:09.660 the economy. Uh, you can do this by not executive order, but by definitional change, by regulatory
00:35:15.340 change. The secretary, uh, Mnuchin of the treasury said that if Congress doesn't do it, he may,
00:35:21.380 uh, many of the people, half the cap that I've talked to is for it. The entire leadership house
00:35:26.460 and Senate supports it. Hasn't gotten a lot of attention. Although the wall street journal did
00:35:30.800 a piece where Mnuchin said, it'd be good for the economy. And if Congress doesn't act, I may.
00:35:35.840 Okay. Uh, so I think that'll happen in the next two months. I think you'll see the stock market begin
00:35:41.420 to go way up very strong. Uh, every house, all land, all stock would all be worth more because it's a
00:35:49.580 hedge against inflating taxes on inflation rather than being the tax on inflation, which makes selling
00:35:57.480 an old house or an old, you know, land or buildings more expensive than it should be. So that should be
00:36:04.580 a tremendous liberalization of the economy. Grover, I have got to have you back more often.
00:36:10.040 I feel so good by the end of this, this, I was already feeling good with the way the country
00:36:14.400 is going, but there's a lot of, uh, light on the horizon and we can just look forward to it.
00:36:19.000 Grover Norquist, thank you so much for being here. Good to be with you. Take it easy.
00:36:24.880 Man, I've got to bring him back all day long. We, we, we don't have the great news yet. We're
00:36:29.160 going to see. I, I, I'm waiting on the, uh, the Supreme court pick to see if Trump just trolls
00:36:34.120 everybody and picks Merrick Garland. He's like, ha ha, I got you. You know, tee hee. And then we'll go on to
00:36:38.780 the next one. I've got so much more to talk about. We've got to talk about Tommy Lauren. I've held my
00:36:42.460 tongue too long on her and another, another little laugh we can all have together before this SCOTUS
00:36:47.140 pick. But if you're on Facebook or YouTube, I'm sorry. You got to go to dailywire.com to see the
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00:36:57.660 Klavan show, the Ben Shapiro show, ask questions in the conversation, ask questions in the mailbag.
00:37:02.120 None of that matters because unless president Trump nominates Merrick Garland for the Supreme
00:37:09.040 court, which I don't think Vegas is putting a lot of money on right now, then tomorrow morning,
00:37:14.240 Oh, tomorrow morning, most likely we hope knock on wood, you'll be able to just
00:37:17.960 it's, it's, it's right now, even it's too much, just all the, all of the op-eds leading up to the
00:37:27.880 decision. Make sure you get your leftist cheers tumbler. You need it. We'll be right back.
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00:37:43.720 Tommy Lauren. Oh, Tommy Lauren. Look, you know me. I don't like to be mean to people. I don't even
00:37:51.760 like to be mean to lefties. I definitely don't like to be mean to people who are ostensibly in
00:37:56.300 the conservative coalition or sort of right wing or conservative or whatever. That is why,
00:38:02.060 by the way, when Tommy Lauren last year went on the view and called pro-life conservatives,
00:38:07.340 hypocrites, slandered pro-life conservatives, I held my tongue because I actually sort of feel bad
00:38:13.480 for her. She got very famous when she was very young and very ignorant and I wanted to give her a free
00:38:18.420 pass. And so she could like read a book or something and then stop spouting this sort of
00:38:23.100 nonsense. Then last night at the most crucial moment as president Trump looks to fill a Supreme
00:38:30.320 Court seat, a generational once in a lifetime opportunity to restore American liberty and
00:38:36.260 constitutional jurisprudence. Tommy Lauren goes on television and spouts this incoherent,
00:38:43.900 destructive blather. Here it is.
00:38:46.040 I'm going to say something my fellow conservatives and Trump supporters may not like, but I must be
00:38:50.960 true to my beliefs, whatever the party line. So it's time for final thoughts. Pressing for a
00:38:55.260 Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade would be a huge mistake. Yes, the new high court vacancy is
00:39:00.840 a huge opportunity for conservative values and principles. I get it. And I understand the passion
00:39:05.140 behind the pro-life movement. But to use conservatives newfound power and poll to challenge
00:39:09.800 decision that, according to new Quinnipiac poll, most Americans support would be a mistake. This
00:39:15.220 president is winning for the American people on the economy, foreign policy and tax reform. These are
00:39:20.560 areas that benefit all Americans, regardless of religion or social beliefs. If we continue to focus
00:39:25.420 on these things and immigration, we'll sail into 2020 with all three branches in our control.
00:39:31.200 That's how we get things done for the American people. That's how we win. Let's go after sanctuary cities
00:39:36.780 and push for voter ID laws. We lose when we start tampering with social issues. Consider this. When
00:39:42.580 Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch got to his confirmation hearings with the Senate Judiciary
00:39:46.400 Committee, he was grilled on the so-called Trump litmus test on abortion. He responded by telling
00:39:51.820 Senator Lindsey Graham he would have walked out the door if Trump had asked him to overturn Roe.
00:39:57.620 Even if conservatives decide to go for the Roe v. Wade jugular, it's unlikely to succeed.
00:40:02.460 Legal tradition makes it harder to overturn a past decision unless there are strong grounds
00:40:06.440 for doing so. And a departure from precedent like Roe, which has since been upheld by other cases,
00:40:12.020 is even harder to come by. During his hearing, Justice Gorsuch made a point of noting the decision
00:40:16.880 had already been reaffirmed several times. Do we really want to fight for this? Alienate Democrats,
00:40:23.140 moderates and libertarians all to lose in the end anyway? That's a risk I don't think is worth
00:40:27.820 taking. And I'm saying this as someone who would personally choose life, but also feels it's not
00:40:33.060 the government's place to dictate. This isn't a black and white issue and I would never judge
00:40:37.660 anyone in that position. I believe the way to encourage someone to choose life is to treat
00:40:42.620 her with compassion, understanding and love, not government regulation. Because let's be honest,
00:40:47.940 the federal government does few things well and I believe regulating social issues is an area where
00:40:52.600 it fails. Let the churches, the non-profits and the community groups step in, not almighty Uncle Sam.
00:40:58.520 But those are my final thoughts. Feel free to disagree.
00:41:02.360 I don't even know where to begin. I don't even, where do I begin with that? I think just about
00:41:08.460 everything she said was wrong and just utterly uninformed and ignorant of even what the question
00:41:17.080 is. So I, and the worst part of this is that we're at this crucial moment. We're at the,
00:41:22.080 this most important hour and she uses this opportunity to spout this destructive nonsense.
00:41:27.820 To begin. So let's just, let's, I don't know, let's just jump in. She says, look, I would personally
00:41:33.160 choose life, but I would never tell other people to choose life. Why? Why would you personally choose
00:41:39.460 life? Is it because it's a, it's a living being? Is it because it's a human and you don't want to kill
00:41:46.580 the human? Or is what you're saying, basically, I would never kill my beautiful special progeny,
00:41:52.640 but all those poor ethnic minorities, they should kill theirs. That's what you're saying. When you say,
00:41:57.020 I would personally never choose life because my baby is like special, but all your little babies
00:42:02.080 kill those babies. We don't need those babies. So let's go back to the top. She says that we,
00:42:08.280 not just that we shouldn't be pro-life anymore as conservatives, we shouldn't overturn Roe v. Wade.
00:42:13.460 Roe v. Wade is the worst decision in the history of the Supreme Court. It is based on absolutely
00:42:17.480 nothing. It comes from a fabricated constitutional right to abortion based on an earlier fabricated
00:42:23.780 constitutional general right to privacy that does not exist. The judges who said that it exists,
00:42:28.920 who invented it, said that it doesn't come from the constitution. It comes from the penumbras and
00:42:33.960 emanations of the penumbral emanating blah, blah, blah, blah. We just want it to exist. It's totally made
00:42:40.360 up. So just to begin, regardless of what you think about abortion, Roe v. Wade has to be overturned
00:42:45.180 because it's anti-constitutional. It steals the right to decide public policy questions from where it
00:42:51.260 belongs in the legislature, with the states, with the people. And it steals that for the government.
00:42:56.000 If Tommy's argument here is that we shouldn't give undue power to the government, that decision just in
00:43:02.140 and of itself, without regard to the question of abortion, it gives utterly undue power to the
00:43:08.240 constitution. It almost cracks our constitutional system. Then afterward, the notion that running on
00:43:14.840 social issues will hurt Republicans is simply not true. President Trump ran on social issues. He ran a
00:43:20.540 vigorously pro-life campaign. She actually references it in this incoherent segment. She says
00:43:26.000 that Neil Gorsuch, when he was up for the court, had to answer for President Trump's policy because
00:43:31.080 in his campaign, President Trump promised, I will appoint justices to overturn Roe v. Wade. He won on
00:43:36.500 that. That's what won, Tommy, not running away from that. So even her own evidence for her point
00:43:41.940 actually utterly undercuts her point and argues for the opposite of her point. Also then, to say that
00:43:47.160 we're going to lose future elections if we talk about abortion, young Americans are the most
00:43:51.060 pro-life generation in the country. It's not that Americans have gotten more in favor of abortion
00:43:56.440 over time. Since Roe v. Wade, America has moved much more in the direction of pro-life. The country's
00:44:01.920 about evenly split right now. And actually, when you drill down and ask proper questions about when
00:44:08.400 babies should be allowed to be killed, the country becomes overwhelmingly pro-life. But young Americans,
00:44:13.400 millennials are the most pro-life generation in the country. So at that point, it doesn't make
00:44:17.880 any sense. And then she says, we need to win. We need to win, win, win, win. So we've already seen
00:44:24.840 that her strategy wouldn't win, right? The winning strategy is the one that we're doing, the pro-life
00:44:28.820 strategy. But what is winning if we say, look, guys, if we just stop trying to do conservative
00:44:33.700 things, then conservatives will win. That's a Pyrrhic victory, darling. That's not, that isn't a win.
00:44:39.920 That's the opposite of a win. That's abdicating responsibility entirely. And it kills me to take
00:44:47.000 shots at people who call themselves conservative or think they're conservatives. But first of all,
00:44:52.340 this was, to give this ridiculous screed on national television, this fact-free screed at so
00:44:58.760 crucial an hour is either utterly reckless and brain dead, or it's sabotage of the conservative
00:45:05.300 movement, as a justice is about to be picked once in a lifetime. So it demands wide-sweeping
00:45:10.940 opprobrium. But also, look, you get second chances, but you don't get endless chances. If you're going
00:45:16.140 to be a national television star, you need to read a book. Like one book. You need to understand at
00:45:22.780 least the question that you're discussing, regardless of your point on it. My problem isn't that
00:45:28.900 Tommy is apparently a pro-abortion fanatic, so to speak. She takes the sacramental view of abortion,
00:45:34.700 apparently, for everybody's babies but her own. That isn't quite the issue. The issue is she
00:45:39.400 doesn't even understand the question. She has no idea what is at stake, and she's spouting this
00:45:43.800 destructive inanity on national television. She's more than welcome. Tommy, if you're watching this
00:45:49.820 clip, you're more than welcome to come on the show, and we can talk about this. I hope you do come on
00:45:53.880 the show. But one cannot remain silent when this sort of nonsense is being spouted by what are
00:46:01.260 apparently saboteurs in the conservative movement. If you've got conservatives like this, who needs
00:46:06.540 leftists? Who needs them? That's just a little fiery point to end on, because it's so, so frustrating
00:46:13.500 when conservatives, or nominal conservatives, try to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
00:46:18.500 Before we go away, I know we're running out of time, but I've just got to turning to the actual
00:46:22.660 question of the Supreme Court today, and the actual question of who this nominee is going to be.
00:46:27.580 Cabot Phillips, a great genius and wonderful media figure from Campus Reform, he went out and he
00:46:35.220 asked students what they thought of President Trump's nominee for the Supreme Court. Now,
00:46:39.700 I know what you're thinking. President Trump hasn't nominated anybody for the Supreme Court,
00:46:43.400 so how did he do that? Well, he just said that he had, and the students, not knowing anything about
00:46:50.300 anything, decided to give their impressions of the person who does not yet exist. Here is Cabot Phillips.
00:46:55.700 What's your reaction to the justice that he nominated today? I'm honestly not surprised
00:47:01.660 by his choice, but that's just worse for us. I just saw the pic and I was like, like, it's almost
00:47:08.300 at a point where you kind of expect that it's not going to be what you want. He's quite, you know,
00:47:13.580 extreme in his views, and I don't know if it would make the Supreme Court very even. I see it all over
00:47:19.300 the news that, like, he's, he's like a racist. This new, like, nominee is very racist, and I think
00:47:25.960 it's starting a new wave of something, something very negative, and I'm really scared about what
00:47:32.340 will happen in the future and my choices he'll make. So what reaction have you seen on social
00:47:35.580 media today after the news? Oh, outrage, as it should be. This is just a reoccurring thing. He keeps
00:47:41.420 doing this with different positions and just doing whatever he wants, abusing his power.
00:47:45.060 Do you feel like his pick is an abuse of power? Uh, basically, yeah. His entire cabinet and
00:47:50.480 everyone he's chosen has been the white supremacist Legion of Doom, and it's dangerous to everyone
00:47:56.300 who looks like me. Do you feel like the Supreme Court nominee today kind of falls in that same
00:48:00.420 line? Of course. They should all wear white hoods and burn crosses at the Capitol because that's
00:48:06.420 exactly, that's exactly the move. That's what they're going for. And the fact that he would put
00:48:10.260 someone up there that is so racist and is not practicing the equality that we need to
00:48:16.120 see, it's, again, it's insulting, and it's, he's not going to last. I mean, I'm not a fan
00:48:21.740 of the pick. I'm really not. They're burning crosses is what they're doing. Who knew? This
00:48:29.420 is a great little video because I'm not surprised at all, of course. That's the reaction. That's
00:48:34.540 what the, forget the students, that's what the left-wing press does. That's what adults in
00:48:39.400 the Democrat Party do. That's what you're going to see regardless of who the nominee is tomorrow.
00:48:44.300 And so she, I hope, is a racist and a this-ist and a sexist and a this and a bigot and a
00:48:50.840 mind. And they don't know anything about her. They don't know anything more than these kids
00:48:53.340 know about the invisible person. But it's going to be a great opportunity to gather these leftist
00:48:57.060 tears. And it's a good reminder, by the way, that they have no idea what they're talking
00:49:00.740 about. They have no clue. They're just spouting little catchphrases. Racist. Sexist. Blah,
00:49:07.180 blah, blah. Blah, blah. When a lefty calls you that, just let it, it's okay. Let it roll
00:49:11.080 off you. It doesn't mean anything. They're not talking about you. They're talking about
00:49:14.080 whatever fantasy is bouncing around their, their echoey imaginations. Just like in that
00:49:20.020 video. All right. We're running late. That's our show. We're, I hope, going to have a good
00:49:24.580 show tomorrow once we decide who the Supreme Court justice is. In the meantime, I'm Michael
00:49:29.940 Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show. I'll see you tomorrow.
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00:49:42.560 Senior producer, Jonathan Hay. Our supervising producer, Mathis Glover. And our technical producer
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