The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 180 - Read My Lips： No New Taxes

00:00:00.000 Read my lips. No new taxes. Grover Norquist stops by to discuss how you don't even realize all the

00:00:06.300 money that you're making thanks to the Trump administration. And then Grover spills the beans

00:00:10.240 on an incredible piece of executive action that may make you even more money. This is all good

00:00:14.880 news. After that, with conservatives like Tommy Lauren, who needs leftists, we will finally have

00:00:20.440 to analyze Tommy's very unfortunate comments on television. But to make us all feel better again,

00:00:26.040 Daily Wire 2 sports correspondent Jeremy the God King Boring stops by for a World Cup update.

00:00:31.580 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:40.740 There is so much going on today. I don't even know where to begin. Obviously, the Trump judicial

00:00:46.540 nominee, the Supreme Court nominee, has not quite come out yet. We're hearing little rumors. I don't

00:00:52.020 want to report on it quite yet, but we'll have more on that tomorrow. Some other great news.

00:00:56.460 I am going on tour. I am coming to a college near you. There's a time and a place for everything,

00:01:01.460 and that place is college. That's right. I'm teaming up with the YAF, Y-A-F, Young America's

00:01:06.460 Foundation, to go on a college tour this fall. It's going to be a lot of fun. You can check out,

00:01:10.720 they just did a story on it at yaf.org. You can read all about the tour. It's going to be called

00:01:15.120 Covfefe on Campus. We're going to be addressing the eternal questions. Politics, religion, how to be a

00:01:21.760 man when you look like a Maddow, how to not write anything and sell 100,000 copies. We are going

00:01:30.160 to analyze on this tour once and for all what Covfefe really means. If you want your college to

00:01:35.980 be a part of that tour, go to yaf.org and put in a request ASAP. I'd really put it in quickly because

00:01:41.920 there are only going to be limited engagements, and we're going to start looking at that list

00:01:45.400 really soon. So go to yaf.org and put in a request ASAP if you want Covfefe on your campus

00:01:51.580 this fall. And again, it is time to join the conversation. On Tuesday, July 17th at 5.30

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00:04:31.300 more about what's going on in the news and about this YAF tour. Before that, I need an update from the

00:04:36.460 world of sports. For that, we turn to our sister network, DailyWire2 sports correspondent,

00:04:40.860 Jeremy the God King Boring.

00:04:49.600 Yowza! Thank you, Michael. It's great to be back with you for a segment one YouTube commenter

00:04:54.460 observed as coming off more like ignorance than humor. That's our DailyWire2 coverage of the Fuji

00:04:59.880 Water World Cup. Let's get right into the action, or what passes for action in a sport where the tied

00:05:05.740 game can be resolved by giving two teams yet another opportunity to tie.

00:05:10.140 That, however, is not what happened in our first story of the week. That is host Russia's

00:05:16.220 humiliating defeat at the hands of their former socialist protégés, Croatia. After a tied match,

00:05:22.660 Michael, it all came down to the shootout, in which each team was given five penalty kicks to

00:05:27.740 determine the winner. It's actually the most eventful and near stimulating moment in any soccer

00:05:32.820 match, which raises an obvious question. Since any tie is statistically indistinguishable from a

00:05:38.660 zero-zero score, which is how every game begins, why can't we just skip the entire deathly dull affair

00:05:45.220 and go straight to the shootout in every soccer match? Of course, that would admittedly make soccer

00:05:50.820 feel like a completely frivolous non-game in which the winner is essentially determined by luck,

00:05:55.800 which I believe is the answer to YouTube commenter Mikey87's question of the week.

00:06:00.820 Well, you're half right, Mikey87, as Russia found out the hard way by being unmanned by a nation with 0.99

00:06:16.260 roughly 3% of their gross domestic product. Also, if you skip the entire match, where would you put the

00:06:22.640 funny commercials? Oh, that's right. There aren't any funny commercials in soccer, since no human being

00:06:28.300 anywhere on earth has the kind of willpower and discipline over their attention span to actually

00:06:32.780 wait even longer to see what's going to happen in the next slow-moving children's game in which not

00:06:38.060 a single thing has ever happened since that one guy was hurt ironically while faking an injury in 1957.

00:06:43.820 Also, most people for whom this dreadful exhibition is their only escape don't have the individual income

00:06:49.020 to purchase things in the first place. Still, the biggest news of the week, at least for Anglophiles,

00:06:55.660 was England's defeat of Sweden, both in GDP, $2 trillion to $511 billion, and in gameplay, 2-0.

00:07:03.580 That's right. England has officially made the semifinals, bringing their number one best-selling

00:07:09.180 single dream one step closer to reality. It's coming to the house.

00:07:17.260 Of course, I know that many of our viewers, as proud and patriotic Americans, are wondering why

00:07:22.380 we here at The Daily Wire 2 haven't devoted a bit more time to covering America's standing in the

00:07:27.180 current worldwide tournament. We too have been confused as to why we haven't seen Old Glory waving

00:07:33.020 above more matches. Fortunately, angry YouTube Killjoy Morosa pointed us to the answer with this

00:07:39.420 edifying comment, quote, clearly you're triggered because the US couldn't qualify against the likes

00:07:46.140 of Panama and Trinidad and Tobago, LOL. Candidly, Morosa, this sports journalist had no idea, as I,

00:07:54.460 like almost every one of America's native sons who didn't grow up doing missionary work in the third

00:07:58.620 world or being a girl, never contemplated this farce of a competition, even once since I was five

00:08:05.260 years old and learning basic motor functions. I am, however, certainly triggered now that I know.

00:08:11.020 You mean to tell me that despite having a GDP equal to 25% of the world's total economy,

00:08:16.860 owning the world's reserve currency, having the finest athletes in the world as evidenced by almost

00:08:21.340 every metric, including having won more medals than any other country in the Olympics by double,

00:08:27.500 having the longest enduring constitutional republic in human history, and having almost single-handedly

00:08:32.220 invented all of the splendid wonders of modernity, and having kept the free nations of the world

00:08:36.540 largely safe for more than a half century, America can't beat a Caribbean island nation with fewer than 1.00

00:08:41.740 a million and a half people and a GDP lower than that kid who invented putting pictures of your food

00:08:46.380 on the internet for people to like? Why? I dare say one begins to wonder if this whole soccer business

00:08:52.860 is even a fair measurement of human accomplishment at all. Michael, yowza! Back to you.

00:09:00.140 A really thorough report, Jeremy. I really appreciate that. I was wondering, would you say you spent more

00:09:06.620 time looking at the YouTube comments on our segment or watching the World Cup?

00:09:11.580 Yowza! Back to you.

00:09:16.540 Terrific. Well, I can't wait for the next update. I do have to ask, as I think are all red-blooded 1.00

00:09:22.460 patriotic Americans, how much longer is this World Cup going to go on?

00:09:25.740 Hell if I know, Michael.

00:09:27.340 Well, I gotta tell you, I sort of hope this World Cup keeps going on and on, because

00:09:32.860 well, I haven't been watching it. I really, these segments have really kept me so abreast. I feel

00:09:40.780 like I've learned something in every single one, and I hope the rest of our audience has finally

00:09:45.260 learned something too. Jeremy, Jeremy the God King Boring, everybody. See you next week.

00:09:52.460 Really thorough stuff. I'm really glad we finally started up that sister network, you know,

00:09:57.740 for all of that important sports coverage that we couldn't get to. Really great.

00:10:01.420 So we had Grover Norquist come by. We're obviously all waiting for the Supreme Court

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00:10:30.300 right now who it's going to be. We'll talk about that a little at the end, what Trump has to gain

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00:13:51.840 of the conservative movement for the last 50 years, Grover Norquist. He's the head of Americans for

00:13:57.920 Tax Reform. He was the head of the College Republican National Committee when he was a young man.

00:14:02.940 I believe it was President Reagan who asked him to start Americans for Tax Reform.

00:14:06.660 He has been a conservative leader to keep the Republican Party to the right, to keep our taxes

00:14:11.660 low, to stop the government from taking away our freedom and our property. He stopped by to talk

00:14:16.440 about what's really going on in the Trump tax plan, what it means for the rest of us, what President

00:14:22.260 Trump's administration can do and might be doing to give you even more disposable income, and where he

00:14:28.340 sees the conservative movement going. Without further ado, here's my interview with Grover Norquist.

00:14:32.040 Grover, thank you for being here. Yes. So, I look around right now. I see a deregulation,

00:14:38.800 government on the way to being able to drown itself in a bathtub. I see major tax reform.

00:14:50.140 Grover, thank you for being here. Yes. So, I look around right now. I see a deregulation,

00:14:56.500 government on the way to being able to drown itself in a bathtub. I see major tax reform. I see a movement

00:15:03.820 for smaller government. I see more originalists on the court who are willing to rein in an expansive

00:15:09.460 government. Are you ready to declare victory? I'm ready to declare that we're moving in the right

00:15:15.280 direction. We have a long way to go because the other team took a hundred years to mess it up. Half of

00:15:22.600 the federal government was created in four years, between 34 and 36, the New Deal, a bunch of

00:15:29.060 entitlements, and between 64 and 66. That's 10% of GDP absorbed by government programs created in four

00:15:36.920 years only. But to get there, they had to get a supermajority, pass it, back off, and lose the next

00:15:44.040 set of elections, and then keep going with some steady upward movement, largely because of their

00:15:50.680 entitlement. So, we have a long way to go, but we are heading in the right direction on several

00:15:55.700 parallel paths. As you say, regulation, taxes, even on spending. I mean, we're going to make,

00:16:02.340 we're making some progress. Absolutely. It's difficult to keep in mind how much ground we lost

00:16:08.820 during the Obama administration. And this was such the argument in 2016. You say, guys, you know,

00:16:14.620 we have careened off of this cliff. We need to do anything we can to pull it back in the right

00:16:19.360 direction. On tax reform, which a lot of President Trump's critics said that it's never going to get

00:16:24.900 through. They're not going to be able to pass it. He's able to get it through in his first year.

00:16:29.960 Does tax reform mean a better PR strategist? It seems like this should be much more popular than it

00:16:35.640 is. It's a tax cut for virtually all Americans. And when you factor in the corporate tax cut,

00:16:39.540 it is a tax cut for all Americans. Why is it not more popular? There are two challenges. The first

00:16:45.140 is that today, 83% of Americans have direct deposit for their paychecks. I don't see my paycheck. It

00:16:52.880 goes straight to the bank. I couldn't, I couldn't tell you how much of a tax cut I got because I don't

00:16:59.440 look at that difference. And so quite a number of Americans have not looked and seen that every two

00:17:05.420 weeks, every month, they've got more being put into their bank accounts than last year.

00:17:11.840 The IRS calculates that more than 90% of Americans have a significant cut in their taxes, which means

00:17:18.400 an increase in their pay. It's one of the things we need to say over and over again is a tax cut

00:17:23.060 is a pay increase for taxpayers. A tax cut is a pay increase for taxpayers. And 90% of Americans got

00:17:30.260 that pay increase. In May, there was a jump in consumer spending. Some economists think that people

00:17:35.640 actually looked at their bank account and said, hey, there's more than we thought. And they didn't notice

00:17:40.640 it every two weeks, but they did notice it in May and you saw spending move upward. The other challenge

00:17:47.120 is we made fundamental changes in the economy that will be benefiting us for the next 100 years with more

00:17:53.980 investment in the United States. $300 billion flowed back in in the first three months of this year,

00:17:59.340 $305 billion. $1.7 billion is expected over a two-year period. That translates into higher wages.

00:18:07.700 The economists say between $4,000 or $5,000 for somebody making between $50,000 and $70,000 a year.

00:18:13.320 That doesn't happen tomorrow, but it goes up and it lasts the rest of your life in terms of that

00:18:17.800 increased sustainable pay increase because of more capital here in the United States.

00:18:23.540 That's a great point. And when you talk about rearranging certain institutions and certain

00:18:28.480 structures in the United States for longer-term investment, for longer-term prosperity,

00:18:33.020 the tariffs have been in the news a lot lately. President Trump is threatening these tariffs

00:18:36.500 with people who are ripping us off, who the World Trade Organization would say

00:18:40.140 is playing unfairly. What are the risks? What are the rewards of this tariff fight? And how do you

00:18:45.800 think it's going to play out? Well, Trump is right on two big points that we've agreed to

00:18:50.060 tariff deals, to free trade agreements that are less advantageous to the United States than they

00:18:58.520 should have been. This is after World War II. We felt sorry for everybody. They were all flattened. We

00:19:03.040 were still doing reasonably well. And we gave away more than we needed to over time, both to Japan and

00:19:09.620 to Germany, the people we vanquished and our allies in Europe. Those need to be readjusted. 0.89

00:19:15.720 And just as the fact that the Europeans don't pay enough for their defense on NATO, we pay more than

00:19:22.660 they do. And it's their neighborhood we're defending. We're not worried about the Canadians

00:19:26.720 whacking us. Well, not since 1812 anyway. So we do have to rethink some of this. And Trump is

00:19:35.640 completely right. And the Europeans go nuts because they've been on a free ride for a long time. 0.97

00:19:39.640 And that does have some of our trading partners. He's right about that. Second point is that he

00:19:45.120 wants to get to a more open and freer trading agreement, not to have permanent walls or barriers

00:19:50.640 or protectionism. That's not what he's argued for. He has threatened tariffs in order to get their

00:19:56.200 attention to reduce tariff barriers. And some of the agreements that seem to be coming will do exactly

00:20:03.360 that. The danger that his goals are good and important. The danger is that when you're playing

00:20:08.860 this game of fighting with tariffs, you're not in charge of both sides of this. The Chinese can decide 0.97

00:20:16.880 maybe they like certain tariffs and they can take a lot more pain because they don't have elections in

00:20:22.160 November. And we do. So a trade war that goes on as opposed to a conflict and argument and trying to

00:20:31.720 come to a better agreement, one that's even going to be better for the Europeans and other trading

00:20:36.700 partners over time. I think there is that danger that it spins out of control. And we end up with

00:20:43.640 the Hatfields and McCoys. Nobody can remember who was punching who, why, but we keep punching each

00:20:47.560 other. That is a danger. It's happened before. But I do think that with the people around Trump

00:20:52.960 and Trump himself, they understand that the goal is more open trade because we win that.

00:20:59.480 But we also need to keep our taxes low. We were handicapping ourselves when we had a 35% corporate

00:21:07.420 rate and communist China, 25%. We're at 35. Does that make any sense at all? We shoot ourselves in the

00:21:13.860 foot with trade and then yell at the Chinese because that's their fault? No, that was stupid things 1.00

00:21:19.620 our government did to us. Our trial lawyer laws, our tort laws are destructive. No other country's as 1.00

00:21:26.800 goofy as our tort laws are. We need to reform that. And our regulatory rules are much more damaging to

00:21:36.320 us than any other country does to themselves. So some of the stuff we can just stop beating our own

00:21:41.760 head against the wall. That's helpful. And the other we need to tell the Europeans and the Japanese 0.94

00:21:46.040 and the Chinese, we need to get better agreements. The president's committed to that. We get that in the

00:21:51.320 next couple of months. I think you'll see the stock market shoot through the roof going into November

00:21:55.860 because it's a little bit slower than it could be. The tax cuts done very well, but there's a concern

00:22:02.760 that tariffs could escalate. Yeah, could escalate, could wipe out some of those gains. And it is such

00:22:10.140 a great point. A lot of those trade deals negotiated after World War II, you think now we're 70 years on,

00:22:15.520 we don't need to keep, you know, doling out the charity here. And same thing with NATO. I wonder,

00:22:21.860 looking forward at the election, what can President Trump point to? Booming economy, record high

00:22:27.760 employment, tax cut for virtually all Americans, on and on and on. Foreign affairs in a more stable

00:22:32.940 place. The regulatory regime being slashed. I'm sorry? No war. No war. That's right. I mean,

00:22:38.780 we could be here all day naming the concrete policy achievements of the administration.

00:22:44.620 And so what the left throws out is allegations of racism or Nazism or he's a mean person and he's a

00:22:52.360 sexist or whatever. How do you think that will play? You've been in Republican politics a long time.

00:22:57.500 How do you think that plays in November? Historically speaking, probably Republicans should lose the

00:23:01.860 House. How do you see things shaking out? Yeah, I think the Senate looks very good because of the

00:23:06.560 playing field, because of the quality of the candidates we got. We're not running any more

00:23:10.540 moors in Alabama, running top quality candidates. How do you lose Alabama? How do you lose Alabama?

00:23:16.540 It's unbelievable. Yes, it was not helpful. And had we gotten that, there are a number of things we

00:23:23.060 could have accomplished this year that we just weren't able to, that we will be able to do next

00:23:26.480 year. Now, I'm a little less worried about the House than some people because when they say the

00:23:31.120 average over the last 10 elections is to lose 30, the reason that's the average is that when

00:23:36.300 Clinton raised taxes, he lost 60. When Obama raised taxes, he lost 60. You average those with the two

00:23:42.900 Bush years where they didn't really lose much at all and gained a little bit. 60 and zero averaged to

00:23:50.020 30. But our guy, Trump, and the Republican House and Senate didn't raise taxes, didn't explode new

00:23:57.320 government programs. And so I'm not sure that there's some sort of rule about 30. It's a historical

00:24:05.800 accident. But I think it is if you raise taxes and throw on massive new spending programs, you lose a

00:24:11.360 lot of house seats. So we do have to worry. The other team's very energized. They see their whole future

00:24:16.200 evaporating in front of them. They see a Supreme Court that no longer drags the country to the left

00:24:22.200 every three months with some new lurch. I mean, they think we're going to go whack back the other

00:24:27.660 way. If we just got a Supreme Court which held things steady and let the House and the Senate and 0.99

00:24:31.900 the American people make decisions, we wouldn't be dragged leftward, ever leftward. And there are

00:24:37.720 some decisions on questions like racial quotas and property rights and how much power the bureaucrats

00:24:44.620 have, Chevron deference and other issues like that, where I think we will see sizable shift as we did

00:24:50.400 with the Janus case, which says 5 million people who've been forced to pay union dues even though

00:24:55.800 they didn't want to join the union, you don't have to do that anymore. That's huge. That's a

00:25:01.740 tremendous step forward towards liberty and has the side benefit of defunding the modern left.

00:25:07.140 That is it. And that is the focus. I know some people, particularly Trump's critics on the right,

00:25:13.200 they were just arguing over how many Republicans can dance on the head of a pin. And of course,

00:25:18.900 the object here is liberty and liberty is increasing. The Janus case is a good example

00:25:23.560 of that. Although we do see, even from the Tea Party years onward into this new Trump era of

00:25:30.140 politics, a shift in the conversation from issues like deficits, the primacy of lowering taxes,

00:25:37.960 increasing economic liberty. There is a bit of a shift into cultural issues. We're talking,

00:25:42.340 you know, Andrew Breitbart was fond of saying politics is downstream of culture. Now there are these

00:25:46.580 larger cultural issues. Do you see that trend moving even more in that direction? Do you see

00:25:51.900 that as opposed to the economic agenda or do they work in tandem? Well, the establishment press,

00:25:57.940 I don't know why people call them mainstream press. They don't work out in the middle of the country.

00:26:01.300 Nobody watches. I think I get more viewers than MSNBC. I'm on the internet.

00:26:05.920 But the establishment press, the three networks and PBS and stuff like that,

00:26:09.720 they find cultural issues, left of center cultural issues, endlessly fascinating because you can talk

00:26:17.620 about them without knowing anything. And you can also talk about them without any numbers involved

00:26:22.240 to get in the way of your theory. Whereas if you want to talk about spending and taxes and growth,

00:26:27.440 you do have some numbers that are kind of hard reality to bounce up again. We're better off

00:26:33.300 expanding liberty. I think culture is downstream of politics in the sense that if we give people

00:26:39.320 more liberty, we now have 2 million people homeschooling. 30 years ago, only two states

00:26:44.600 allowed homeschooling. We changed the law to allow concealed carry permits in more than 40 states.

00:26:51.240 There's 17 and a half million Americans with concealed carry permits. That changed the nature of the

00:26:56.440 Second Amendment debate more than anything else. Not hunting. Hunting's been fairly stable,

00:27:01.180 declining even. But people with concealed carry permits feeling comfortable carrying to defend

00:27:06.940 themselves and their families have changed the culture. And with the decline in union power,

00:27:15.820 meaning power over workers, workers are more free to vote the way they want to instead of how they're

00:27:21.720 told to. Hence, Trump and the Republicans carrying Ohio and Michigan and Wisconsin and Indiana and Iowa

00:27:27.680 all have a unionized states that years ago the unions would have driven the vote and the politics in

00:27:33.500 those states with forced union dues. Now we have right to work in Michigan. In Iowa, they passed Act 10

00:27:41.020 like they did in Wisconsin saying no more stolen money in politics. I'm not opposed to money in

00:27:48.140 politics. I'm opposed to stolen money in politics. Right. That's a great point. And when you give people

00:27:53.060 liberty, they will react. It is funny. You can picture two people bickering over politics and this

00:27:58.680 and that. But then when you present them with the reality of prosperity, the reality of deregulation,

00:28:05.420 the reality of just being more free to say what you want to say and do what you want to do and

00:28:10.180 spend your money the way you want to spend your money, raise your kids the way you want to raise

00:28:13.840 your kids, a lot of that goes away. There's an entire generation now, my generation, that grew up with

00:28:19.880 really only foggy memories of economic prosperity. And I think the reality of that is really finally

00:28:26.040 setting in. I have to harken back because you're so famous for Americans for tax reform being the

00:28:31.760 central force in conservative politics for decades. You also were the executive director of the College

00:28:37.440 Republican National Committee. Now, having spent some time with the College Republicans, I go to

00:28:42.660 campuses and speak a fair bit. Do you see any shift there? Have you paid attention to what's going on

00:28:47.840 on the campuses? Obviously, the universities themselves have imploded because of leftist

00:28:53.320 tyranny, basically. But what's going on with the conservative movement as it takes place on

00:28:58.820 university campuses? Well, I was in college 74 to 78, and we were coming right out of the 60s.

00:29:05.500 I was at Harvard, where the left took over buildings and trashed up. So the idea that conservatives

00:29:12.760 today are put upon strikes me is this is not completely new. This has happened before. They were blowing up

00:29:20.900 things in the 60s and the 70s with bombs and killing people. So the left on campus, the weathermen and so on,

00:29:29.240 the Black Panthers, these were serious, deadly, serious political structures. And now, you know, 1.00

00:29:39.440 they trained Mau Mau people. But even I think one of the advantages the right had coming out of the 70s 0.94

00:29:46.400 was the boy named Sue phenomenon, which is to be a liberal. All my left-wing friends at the Harvard

00:29:53.320 Crimson Student Newspaper was me and a bunch of Bolsheviks. And they would say things like, well,

00:29:58.580 you know, the death marches in Cambodia, they're bringing people into rural health clinics. That's

00:30:03.700 what they would say was going on. And everybody would go, oh, that's very nice that they're moving

00:30:07.880 people into rural health clinics. It's hundreds of thousands died and were murdered. But nobody

00:30:13.360 challenged them. But if I could say, I think property rights are important, you'd get 20

00:30:18.900 questions. Well, what if you're on an island and there's only one, you know, well, and you own the

00:30:23.720 you really had to be on the top of your game to be involved in politics. The Dartmouth review crowd

00:30:30.060 at Dartmouth University, they put out a feisty, well-written free market conservative publication,

00:30:38.200 and they got hit all the time. They really had to learn to defend themselves. And a lot of talent

00:30:43.240 came out of the campuses because they were oppressed, because they were asked 50 questions,

00:30:51.120 defend yourself, defend yourself, defend yourself. And the left guys like Gore could go around going,

00:30:55.080 I invented the internet. And nobody said, excuse me, come again. And now they're even more

00:31:03.880 lackadaisical on the left. They have a couple of magic words. They say diversity, and they're

00:31:08.360 supposed to have won the argument, whatever that is supposed to imply. Well, now it's really the

00:31:13.280 boy named Sue phenomenon where you just have to call boys Sue. That's the, that's the thing you say,

00:31:18.000 okay, we can't question this. Okay. Yes. Yes, it has to be a challenge. But, but I think our guys

00:31:24.900 are tougher coming out of campus because of that, and we'll be again. You are totally right. I can

00:31:30.140 attest to this just from my own brief experience. You know, there, there was, when I was in college,

00:31:36.260 they, the lefties had their Occupy New Haven protest and they weren't going and taking over.

00:31:42.800 I'm sorry. Why would you want to do that? I've been to New Haven. I know. Listen, I, you know,

00:31:48.000 I was in New Haven for four years. Then I stopped occupying. I got out of there basically right

00:31:51.920 afterward, but these people, they come in and they just occupy, they didn't take over Willard Hall

00:31:56.480 and, you know, with machine guns or something. They just sort of sat around like boring hippies. 0.70

00:32:00.880 And, but for the 10 of us or so on campus who were conservatives, they, there were all of these

00:32:06.820 jibes. You were constantly having to defend your thoughts. And this was really good because you,

00:32:10.740 you actually did change your thoughts. It's why I recommend to people who write in and say,

00:32:15.240 should I, you know, should I never send my kid to any left-wing institution? I said, no,

00:32:19.960 send him to some crazy left-wing school. As long as he can defend his thoughts, it'll either,

00:32:24.440 it'll ruin him or it will make him actually understand what he thinks and think through

00:32:28.620 his own conservative thought. They had at Yale, they had the Buckley program, uh, free speech

00:32:34.460 gala a few years ago, and they had Yale students spitting on the attendees. They said, how dare you

00:32:40.460 want to have free speech and consider other ideas? I mean, that's, that's really the education

00:32:45.680 that the left gets on campus. The right has so much more opportunity. I'll just, uh, I want to

00:32:51.020 leave on this one question. Where do you see it going? You know, uh, from the campuses all the way

00:32:56.680 up through the white house, what is next for the conservative movement? You've been, you've been

00:33:00.780 at the center of it for so long. Where are we headed? Sure. The next big win is this Supreme court

00:33:07.040 appointment, which will give us a five, four, uh, control that really will, uh, reign in some of

00:33:14.500 the abusive drift to the left. And that has nothing to do with president Trump, right? That's what my

00:33:18.940 Trump critic friends on the right, that had nothing to do with Trump. Trump won. Romney forgot to win.

00:33:25.940 Okay. He just let it out of his mind, but it's, oh, I should have won. Yeah. Darn.

00:33:30.680 Um, there is, there is virtue in winning. Um, and also again, he put together that list. This is, 0.99

00:33:38.940 you know, the idea that somehow this, he put together a list. He said, hold me to this. This

00:33:43.360 is what I'm going to do. Uh, better than what, than, than either Bush did better than what Reagan

00:33:48.620 had, frankly. Now he had over time, a conservative movement around him. It made that a lot easier.

00:33:54.320 He had a Republican house and Senate that made it easier, but that still didn't get Romney or McCain

00:33:59.260 across the finish line. And we, we limped across the finish line twice with, with Bush. So, um,

00:34:05.440 Trump brought something to the table by winning and he is governed, uh, in a way that expands

00:34:11.960 Liberty through the courts. He's focused on the courts along with Mitch McConnell. The two of them

00:34:16.320 are working that very, very well. They keep winning more and more of those, uh, seats. I understand

00:34:22.080 we'll have 20 to 25% of the circuit court seats by December. Wow. So this is very helpful. Keep the

00:34:29.060 Senate. We can keep that, uh, going the next big apple to drop. The next big thing to happen

00:34:35.560 is that there is a movement for the treasury secretary to change the, say by the definition

00:34:43.000 of cost, when you calculate capital gains is not cost, what you paid for land or a building or stock,

00:34:49.740 but cost plus inflation. So it takes inflation out of capital gains. About half of capital gains

00:34:56.180 is inflation. When you sell a home, a building, land, stock, your grandmother's own for 50 years.

00:35:01.680 And it will drop in effect, drop the capital gains tax in half, uh, and tremendously strengthen

00:35:09.660 the economy. Uh, you can do this by not executive order, but by definitional change, by regulatory

00:35:15.340 change. The secretary, uh, Mnuchin of the treasury said that if Congress doesn't do it, he may,

00:35:21.380 uh, many of the people, half the cap that I've talked to is for it. The entire leadership house

00:35:26.460 and Senate supports it. Hasn't gotten a lot of attention. Although the wall street journal did

00:35:30.800 a piece where Mnuchin said, it'd be good for the economy. And if Congress doesn't act, I may.

00:35:35.840 Okay. Uh, so I think that'll happen in the next two months. I think you'll see the stock market begin

00:35:41.420 to go way up very strong. Uh, every house, all land, all stock would all be worth more because it's a

00:35:49.580 hedge against inflating taxes on inflation rather than being the tax on inflation, which makes selling

00:35:57.480 an old house or an old, you know, land or buildings more expensive than it should be. So that should be

00:36:04.580 a tremendous liberalization of the economy. Grover, I have got to have you back more often.

00:36:10.040 I feel so good by the end of this, this, I was already feeling good with the way the country

00:36:14.400 is going, but there's a lot of, uh, light on the horizon and we can just look forward to it.

00:36:19.000 Grover Norquist, thank you so much for being here. Good to be with you. Take it easy.

00:36:24.880 Man, I've got to bring him back all day long. We, we, we don't have the great news yet. We're

00:36:29.160 going to see. I, I, I'm waiting on the, uh, the Supreme court pick to see if Trump just trolls

00:36:34.120 everybody and picks Merrick Garland. He's like, ha ha, I got you. You know, tee hee. And then we'll go on to

00:36:38.780 the next one. I've got so much more to talk about. We've got to talk about Tommy Lauren. I've held my

00:36:42.460 tongue too long on her and another, another little laugh we can all have together before this SCOTUS 0.80

00:36:47.140 pick. But if you're on Facebook or YouTube, I'm sorry. You got to go to dailywire.com to see the

00:36:52.680 rest of the show. It's 10 bucks a month, $100 for an annual membership. You will get me, the Andrew

00:36:57.660 Klavan show, the Ben Shapiro show, ask questions in the conversation, ask questions in the mailbag.

00:37:02.120 None of that matters because unless president Trump nominates Merrick Garland for the Supreme

00:37:09.040 court, which I don't think Vegas is putting a lot of money on right now, then tomorrow morning,

00:37:14.240 Oh, tomorrow morning, most likely we hope knock on wood, you'll be able to just

00:37:17.960 it's, it's, it's right now, even it's too much, just all the, all of the op-eds leading up to the

00:37:27.880 decision. Make sure you get your leftist cheers tumbler. You need it. We'll be right back.

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00:37:43.720 Tommy Lauren. Oh, Tommy Lauren. Look, you know me. I don't like to be mean to people. I don't even

00:37:51.760 like to be mean to lefties. I definitely don't like to be mean to people who are ostensibly in

00:37:56.300 the conservative coalition or sort of right wing or conservative or whatever. That is why,

00:38:02.060 by the way, when Tommy Lauren last year went on the view and called pro-life conservatives,

00:38:07.340 hypocrites, slandered pro-life conservatives, I held my tongue because I actually sort of feel bad

00:38:13.480 for her. She got very famous when she was very young and very ignorant and I wanted to give her a free 1.00

00:38:18.420 pass. And so she could like read a book or something and then stop spouting this sort of 0.92

00:38:23.100 nonsense. Then last night at the most crucial moment as president Trump looks to fill a Supreme

00:38:30.320 Court seat, a generational once in a lifetime opportunity to restore American liberty and

00:38:36.260 constitutional jurisprudence. Tommy Lauren goes on television and spouts this incoherent,

00:38:43.900 destructive blather. Here it is.

00:38:46.040 I'm going to say something my fellow conservatives and Trump supporters may not like, but I must be

00:38:50.960 true to my beliefs, whatever the party line. So it's time for final thoughts. Pressing for a

00:38:55.260 Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade would be a huge mistake. Yes, the new high court vacancy is

00:39:00.840 a huge opportunity for conservative values and principles. I get it. And I understand the passion

00:39:05.140 behind the pro-life movement. But to use conservatives newfound power and poll to challenge

00:39:09.800 decision that, according to new Quinnipiac poll, most Americans support would be a mistake. This

00:39:15.220 president is winning for the American people on the economy, foreign policy and tax reform. These are

00:39:20.560 areas that benefit all Americans, regardless of religion or social beliefs. If we continue to focus

00:39:25.420 on these things and immigration, we'll sail into 2020 with all three branches in our control.

00:39:31.200 That's how we get things done for the American people. That's how we win. Let's go after sanctuary cities 1.00

00:39:36.780 and push for voter ID laws. We lose when we start tampering with social issues. Consider this. When

00:39:42.580 Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch got to his confirmation hearings with the Senate Judiciary

00:39:46.400 Committee, he was grilled on the so-called Trump litmus test on abortion. He responded by telling

00:39:51.820 Senator Lindsey Graham he would have walked out the door if Trump had asked him to overturn Roe. 0.78

00:39:57.620 Even if conservatives decide to go for the Roe v. Wade jugular, it's unlikely to succeed.

00:40:02.460 Legal tradition makes it harder to overturn a past decision unless there are strong grounds

00:40:06.440 for doing so. And a departure from precedent like Roe, which has since been upheld by other cases,

00:40:12.020 is even harder to come by. During his hearing, Justice Gorsuch made a point of noting the decision

00:40:16.880 had already been reaffirmed several times. Do we really want to fight for this? Alienate Democrats,

00:40:23.140 moderates and libertarians all to lose in the end anyway? That's a risk I don't think is worth

00:40:27.820 taking. And I'm saying this as someone who would personally choose life, but also feels it's not

00:40:33.060 the government's place to dictate. This isn't a black and white issue and I would never judge

00:40:37.660 anyone in that position. I believe the way to encourage someone to choose life is to treat

00:40:42.620 her with compassion, understanding and love, not government regulation. Because let's be honest,

00:40:47.940 the federal government does few things well and I believe regulating social issues is an area where

00:40:52.600 it fails. Let the churches, the non-profits and the community groups step in, not almighty Uncle Sam.

00:40:58.520 But those are my final thoughts. Feel free to disagree.

00:41:02.360 I don't even know where to begin. I don't even, where do I begin with that? I think just about

00:41:08.460 everything she said was wrong and just utterly uninformed and ignorant of even what the question 0.97

00:41:17.080 is. So I, and the worst part of this is that we're at this crucial moment. We're at the, 0.94

00:41:22.080 this most important hour and she uses this opportunity to spout this destructive nonsense. 1.00

00:41:27.820 To begin. So let's just, let's, I don't know, let's just jump in. She says, look, I would personally 0.62

00:41:33.160 choose life, but I would never tell other people to choose life. Why? Why would you personally choose

00:41:39.460 life? Is it because it's a, it's a living being? Is it because it's a human and you don't want to kill

00:41:46.580 the human? Or is what you're saying, basically, I would never kill my beautiful special progeny,

00:41:52.640 but all those poor ethnic minorities, they should kill theirs. That's what you're saying. When you say, 1.00

00:41:57.020 I would personally never choose life because my baby is like special, but all your little babies 1.00

00:42:02.080 kill those babies. We don't need those babies. So let's go back to the top. She says that we, 0.99

00:42:08.280 not just that we shouldn't be pro-life anymore as conservatives, we shouldn't overturn Roe v. Wade.

00:42:13.460 Roe v. Wade is the worst decision in the history of the Supreme Court. It is based on absolutely 0.94

00:42:17.480 nothing. It comes from a fabricated constitutional right to abortion based on an earlier fabricated

00:42:23.780 constitutional general right to privacy that does not exist. The judges who said that it exists,

00:42:28.920 who invented it, said that it doesn't come from the constitution. It comes from the penumbras and

00:42:33.960 emanations of the penumbral emanating blah, blah, blah, blah. We just want it to exist. It's totally made 0.78

00:42:40.360 up. So just to begin, regardless of what you think about abortion, Roe v. Wade has to be overturned

00:42:45.180 because it's anti-constitutional. It steals the right to decide public policy questions from where it

00:42:51.260 belongs in the legislature, with the states, with the people. And it steals that for the government.

00:42:56.000 If Tommy's argument here is that we shouldn't give undue power to the government, that decision just in

00:43:02.140 and of itself, without regard to the question of abortion, it gives utterly undue power to the

00:43:08.240 constitution. It almost cracks our constitutional system. Then afterward, the notion that running on

00:43:14.840 social issues will hurt Republicans is simply not true. President Trump ran on social issues. He ran a

00:43:20.540 vigorously pro-life campaign. She actually references it in this incoherent segment. She says

00:43:26.000 that Neil Gorsuch, when he was up for the court, had to answer for President Trump's policy because

00:43:31.080 in his campaign, President Trump promised, I will appoint justices to overturn Roe v. Wade. He won on

00:43:36.500 that. That's what won, Tommy, not running away from that. So even her own evidence for her point

00:43:41.940 actually utterly undercuts her point and argues for the opposite of her point. Also then, to say that

00:43:47.160 we're going to lose future elections if we talk about abortion, young Americans are the most 0.99

00:43:51.060 pro-life generation in the country. It's not that Americans have gotten more in favor of abortion

00:43:56.440 over time. Since Roe v. Wade, America has moved much more in the direction of pro-life. The country's

00:44:01.920 about evenly split right now. And actually, when you drill down and ask proper questions about when

00:44:08.400 babies should be allowed to be killed, the country becomes overwhelmingly pro-life. But young Americans, 0.82

00:44:13.400 millennials are the most pro-life generation in the country. So at that point, it doesn't make

00:44:17.880 any sense. And then she says, we need to win. We need to win, win, win, win. So we've already seen

00:44:24.840 that her strategy wouldn't win, right? The winning strategy is the one that we're doing, the pro-life

00:44:28.820 strategy. But what is winning if we say, look, guys, if we just stop trying to do conservative

00:44:33.700 things, then conservatives will win. That's a Pyrrhic victory, darling. That's not, that isn't a win.

00:44:39.920 That's the opposite of a win. That's abdicating responsibility entirely. And it kills me to take

00:44:47.000 shots at people who call themselves conservative or think they're conservatives. But first of all,

00:44:52.340 this was, to give this ridiculous screed on national television, this fact-free screed at so 0.96

00:44:58.760 crucial an hour is either utterly reckless and brain dead, or it's sabotage of the conservative 0.82

00:45:05.300 movement, as a justice is about to be picked once in a lifetime. So it demands wide-sweeping

00:45:10.940 opprobrium. But also, look, you get second chances, but you don't get endless chances. If you're going

00:45:16.140 to be a national television star, you need to read a book. Like one book. You need to understand at

00:45:22.780 least the question that you're discussing, regardless of your point on it. My problem isn't that

00:45:28.900 Tommy is apparently a pro-abortion fanatic, so to speak. She takes the sacramental view of abortion,

00:45:34.700 apparently, for everybody's babies but her own. That isn't quite the issue. The issue is she

00:45:39.400 doesn't even understand the question. She has no idea what is at stake, and she's spouting this

00:45:43.800 destructive inanity on national television. She's more than welcome. Tommy, if you're watching this

00:45:49.820 clip, you're more than welcome to come on the show, and we can talk about this. I hope you do come on

00:45:53.880 the show. But one cannot remain silent when this sort of nonsense is being spouted by what are

00:46:01.260 apparently saboteurs in the conservative movement. If you've got conservatives like this, who needs 0.83

00:46:06.540 leftists? Who needs them? That's just a little fiery point to end on, because it's so, so frustrating

00:46:13.500 when conservatives, or nominal conservatives, try to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

00:46:18.500 Before we go away, I know we're running out of time, but I've just got to turning to the actual

00:46:22.660 question of the Supreme Court today, and the actual question of who this nominee is going to be.

00:46:27.580 Cabot Phillips, a great genius and wonderful media figure from Campus Reform, he went out and he

00:46:35.220 asked students what they thought of President Trump's nominee for the Supreme Court. Now,

00:46:39.700 I know what you're thinking. President Trump hasn't nominated anybody for the Supreme Court,

00:46:43.400 so how did he do that? Well, he just said that he had, and the students, not knowing anything about

00:46:50.300 anything, decided to give their impressions of the person who does not yet exist. Here is Cabot Phillips.

00:46:55.700 What's your reaction to the justice that he nominated today? I'm honestly not surprised

00:47:01.660 by his choice, but that's just worse for us. I just saw the pic and I was like, like, it's almost

00:47:08.300 at a point where you kind of expect that it's not going to be what you want. He's quite, you know,

00:47:13.580 extreme in his views, and I don't know if it would make the Supreme Court very even. I see it all over

00:47:19.300 the news that, like, he's, he's like a racist. This new, like, nominee is very racist, and I think 0.97

00:47:25.960 it's starting a new wave of something, something very negative, and I'm really scared about what

00:47:32.340 will happen in the future and my choices he'll make. So what reaction have you seen on social

00:47:35.580 media today after the news? Oh, outrage, as it should be. This is just a reoccurring thing. He keeps

00:47:41.420 doing this with different positions and just doing whatever he wants, abusing his power.

00:47:45.060 Do you feel like his pick is an abuse of power? Uh, basically, yeah. His entire cabinet and

00:47:50.480 everyone he's chosen has been the white supremacist Legion of Doom, and it's dangerous to everyone 0.62

00:47:56.300 who looks like me. Do you feel like the Supreme Court nominee today kind of falls in that same

00:48:00.420 line? Of course. They should all wear white hoods and burn crosses at the Capitol because that's 0.77

00:48:06.420 exactly, that's exactly the move. That's what they're going for. And the fact that he would put 0.53

00:48:10.260 someone up there that is so racist and is not practicing the equality that we need to

00:48:16.120 see, it's, again, it's insulting, and it's, he's not going to last. I mean, I'm not a fan

00:48:21.740 of the pick. I'm really not. They're burning crosses is what they're doing. Who knew? This

00:48:29.420 is a great little video because I'm not surprised at all, of course. That's the reaction. That's

00:48:34.540 what the, forget the students, that's what the left-wing press does. That's what adults in 0.98

00:48:39.400 the Democrat Party do. That's what you're going to see regardless of who the nominee is tomorrow.

00:48:44.300 And so she, I hope, is a racist and a this-ist and a sexist and a this and a bigot and a 1.00

00:48:50.840 mind. And they don't know anything about her. They don't know anything more than these kids 1.00

00:48:53.340 know about the invisible person. But it's going to be a great opportunity to gather these leftist

00:48:57.060 tears. And it's a good reminder, by the way, that they have no idea what they're talking

00:49:00.740 about. They have no clue. They're just spouting little catchphrases. Racist. Sexist. Blah,

00:49:07.180 blah, blah. Blah, blah. When a lefty calls you that, just let it, it's okay. Let it roll

00:49:11.080 off you. It doesn't mean anything. They're not talking about you. They're talking about

00:49:14.080 whatever fantasy is bouncing around their, their echoey imaginations. Just like in that

00:49:20.020 video. All right. We're running late. That's our show. We're, I hope, going to have a good

00:49:24.580 show tomorrow once we decide who the Supreme Court justice is. In the meantime, I'm Michael

00:49:29.940 Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show. I'll see you tomorrow.

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The Michael Knowles Show - July 09, 2018

Ep. 180 - Read My Lips： No New Taxes

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