The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1800 - Ghislaine Maxwell Vindicates Trump

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00:00:30.000 Jeffrey Epstein, Associate, and Madam Ghislaine Maxwell

00:00:34.960 is finally spilling the tea on everything that she saw President Trump do with Epstein

00:00:41.080 all those years ago.

00:00:42.580 We have the newly released audio footage.

00:00:45.420 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:02:34.180 A lot of talk about waiting for the Epstein files to come out, unsealing the grand jury testimony.

00:02:41.980 Where's the list?

00:02:43.480 Where's the dirt?

00:02:44.620 Where's the tea?

00:02:45.400 Well, the Department of Justice has interviewed Elaine Maxwell.

00:02:51.160 The audio was recorded.

00:02:52.560 This is a recent interview back in July.

00:02:54.760 The audio is out.

00:02:56.160 The question on some people's minds was asked,

00:02:59.220 what did President Trump do with Jeffrey Epstein, and when did he do it?

00:03:05.580 Here is the top-ranking Epstein Associates answer.

00:03:10.440 Did you ever observe President Trump receive a massage?

00:03:14.620 Never.

00:03:14.820 Um, did you ever observe, you said that you, you were, I mean, have you seen the, there's

00:03:22.800 photographs, public photographs of Mr. Epstein and President Trump together?

00:03:30.120 Yeah.

00:03:30.420 And there's photographs of, I think you're, you're in some of the photographs as well.

00:03:34.680 Um, those all appear to be social settings.

00:03:37.160 Yeah.

00:03:37.520 Um, do you?

00:03:38.520 That's my memory.

00:03:39.400 If there was social settings, I don't know Epstein's, if he had, whatever the nature,

00:03:44.680 of the President's friendship, if you will, or however you want to define that with Epstein,

00:03:51.340 I was never witnessed.

00:03:52.860 I think they were friendly, like people are in social settings.

00:03:56.100 I don't, I don't think they were close friends or, I certainly never witnessed the President

00:04:03.320 in any of, I don't recall ever seeing him in his house, for instance.

00:04:08.860 I actually never saw the President in any type of massage setting.

00:04:12.360 I never witnessed the President in any inappropriate setting in any way.

00:04:17.260 The President was never inappropriate with anybody.

00:04:20.360 In the times that I was with him, he was a gentleman in all respects.

00:04:24.040 She was asked, did you ever see President Trump, uh, receive a massage?

00:04:30.580 No, she did not.

00:04:32.040 Did you ever see President Trump with any women?

00:04:35.820 Jeffrey Epstein.

00:04:36.500 No, she did not.

00:04:37.520 Do you ever remember seeing President, seeing President Trump do anything inappropriate?

00:04:42.360 No, she does not.

00:04:45.220 Now, lest people say that, you know, this is just Ghislaine Maxwell trying to curry favor

00:04:51.440 or something like that, uh, you know, trying to get a pardon or something.

00:04:54.800 She also goes on to say that she didn't, that Bill Clinton did not go to the island, that a

00:05:00.400 lot of what we imagine happened with Epstein did not necessarily happen.

00:05:04.320 She, in fact, says that, uh, Epstein was nothing more than a rich guy with a plane to Bill Clinton.

00:05:11.640 So, who knows?

00:05:13.040 I mean, this woman was operating with a notorious criminal and liar and apparent extortion artist 1.00

00:05:21.640 and a guy who died under suspicious circumstances, who was connected to the most popular, wealthy,

00:05:27.280 powerful people in the world.

00:05:28.620 Maybe they had some intelligence ties, according to Alex Acosta, reportedly, but

00:05:33.760 they got, they got nothing on Trump right now.

00:05:38.640 And that part, I think you have to believe.

00:05:41.940 Because if they had something on Trump, think about the opportunities there would have been

00:05:47.800 to release it.

00:05:48.840 Jeffrey Epstein was prosecuted for sex crimes in the 2000s.

00:05:52.320 And he got his sweetheart deal and he was hanging out at, uh, Palm Beach jail and basically was

00:05:58.040 allowed to go and come as he pleased.

00:06:00.460 Trump runs for president in 2016.

00:06:03.380 The Democrats were so keen on keeping him out of office that they violated the law.

00:06:08.220 They cooked up between the FBI and the Democrats some fake dossier that allowed them to spy on

00:06:13.680 his campaign that allowed him to undermine his entire first administration.

00:06:16.860 You think they're willing to do all that?

00:06:18.560 They're willing to subvert government to that degree, weaponize the Justice Department to that

00:06:22.240 degree, but they wouldn't release the dirt they had from Epstein Island? 0.68

00:06:27.980 That simply is not plausible.

00:06:32.660 Then, they go so far as to change all the election rules before 2020, and they move the

00:06:38.500 ballot drop boxes away from the county clerk's offices.

00:06:40.500 They have widespread mail-in ballots and contravention of state constitutions in the case of Pennsylvania.

00:06:43.800 They're willing to go that far, followed by prosecuting him on four fronts, followed by

00:06:49.240 setting the stage for him to be assassinated not once but twice.

00:06:53.020 And they're not willing to release the dirt from Epstein Island if it existed.

00:06:58.140 It is simply not credible.

00:07:00.320 It's simply not plausible, that kind of a claim.

00:07:02.800 So here, I'm not saying I believe Ghislaine on everything, but here at least, I would believe her.

00:07:06.820 Now, we get into even more insider dirt.

00:07:10.700 Ghislaine Maxwell, who is in prison, is hanging out.

00:07:16.720 She's asked whether or not Jeffrey Epstein, who was in very similar circumstances to her, killed himself.

00:07:24.360 Her take is, in prison where I am, they will kill you or they will pay.

00:07:29.180 Somebody can pay a prisoner to kill you for $25 worth of commissary.

00:07:32.840 That's about the going rate for a hit with a lock today.

00:07:35.880 What's really interesting about this take is, the two theories that have been floated for the past, what is it, six years now?

00:07:43.840 The two theories that have been floated are, Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, and it's totally above board and everything the government told us is true.

00:07:50.560 Or, he did not kill himself, and Hillary Clinton walked in wearing a Groucho mask, you know, with a mustache and glasses, and popped him off with a silencer in the middle of the night.

00:08:00.040 But those are the two options, either he killed himself or it was a political hit.

00:08:04.180 What Ghislaine Maxwell is saying is, no, it might have just been another prisoner.

00:08:08.380 And again, this would be a place where she doesn't have a huge reason to make that up.

00:08:13.240 Right, if she were covering up for some international conspiracy, she could just say he killed himself.

00:08:21.840 She would just go along with the government story, and then there's no contradiction whatsoever.

00:08:25.840 To suggest that it was just some internal prison hit undermines the government story.

00:08:30.380 And the government story, if it were to cover for some international conspiracy, would be very helpful to her, would be very advantageous to her.

00:08:37.980 So, a lot of questions raised by her testimony, but I think the big question that the libs and the squishes keep trying to throw at people, namely that Trump is seriously implicated, I just think it's totally bogus.

00:08:50.180 I think there have been ample opportunities over the last 10 years when it would be very convenient for the people who had that kind of information to come out with it.

00:08:56.880 It didn't come out.

00:08:57.780 I just think it very clearly does not exist.

00:09:02.060 Now, speaking of assassinations, I want to turn to a much more important story.

00:09:05.000 This is the brand assassination of Cracker Barrel.

00:09:10.820 Even the Democrats are coming out against the Cracker Barrel rebrand.

00:09:15.120 The liberal-looking, glasses-wearing, lady CEO of Cracker Barrel has done the impossible in 2025 American politics. 1.00

00:09:24.080 She's brought both sides together.

00:09:25.980 The Republicans hate the rebrand because it's modern and minimalist and ugly and takes away all of the tradition and the heritage of Cracker Barrel.

00:09:33.600 The Democrats hate it, too.

00:09:35.940 They post that little Norman Rockwell painting, you know, the one of the guy in the town hall meeting.

00:09:40.700 We think the Cracker Barrel rebrand sucks, too.

00:09:45.000 It totally does.

00:09:46.200 I, for one, am really excited.

00:09:48.460 I'm getting great feedback on the new Michael Knowles Show rebrand.

00:09:50.980 I think it's really nice.

00:09:52.680 It's good.

00:09:53.140 For those of you who are only listening, it's, you know, it's got, there's the barrel.

00:09:56.840 There's the old man sitting by the barrel.

00:09:58.320 The old man's head is my head.

00:10:00.960 The Michael Knowles Show.

00:10:01.940 I think that's great.

00:10:02.680 We're going to have the peg game.

00:10:03.800 We're going to, where's my peg game?

00:10:04.740 I want to, Michael, we can release that with the yes or no game with all the other merch.

00:10:08.400 We'll keep all the insulting words on it.

00:10:11.760 I think my rebrand is going great.

00:10:14.860 The Cracker Barrel rebrand, less so.

00:10:16.540 They tried to peddle this just a few days ago in New York City with a pop-up Cracker Barrel.

00:10:22.420 Some of the videos went viral.

00:10:23.960 They brought in all these influencers to try to make it seem really hot.

00:10:27.220 I think it was in the meatpacking district, and it didn't work out.

00:10:31.760 You can see there's some kind of cornhole, like two people playing it, half a dozen people, sadly, line dancing in front of this otherwise unnoticed little Cracker Barrel pop-up with the new ugly rebranding.

00:10:52.680 Who were they trying to appeal to?

00:10:56.500 The new minimalist, modern, hip, Panera, sterile, clinical hospital cafeteria rebranding is supposed to, I think, appeal to urbanites and, I don't know, people in blue states and really modern people.

00:11:12.320 And where are the people at?

00:11:15.980 They brought in all these influencers.

00:11:17.940 Some of them showed up.

00:11:19.100 But otherwise, I'm waiting for the tumbleweed to go past the Cracker Barrel pop-up in New York.

00:11:27.480 Nobody wants that.

00:11:29.820 The only thing people want from Cracker Barrel is the old Cracker Barrel.

00:11:34.200 We will get to why that is momentarily.

00:11:36.180 And then also we'll get to my favorite deportation story in the last several weeks at least.

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00:12:14.060 The reason that the New York City Cracker Barrel pop-up is not working, the reason that all the Republicans hate the Cracker Barrel, their new rebrand,

00:12:23.180 the reason that all the Democrats hate the Cracker Barrel rebrand, is that the CEO and the board fundamentally misunderstand what Cracker Barrel's product is.

00:12:37.440 What is Cracker Barrel's product?

00:12:39.060 Is it the dumplings?

00:12:42.700 Is it the fried fish on Friday?

00:12:44.880 Is it even the little peg game?

00:12:46.820 No, it's not any of those things.

00:12:48.880 The product that Cracker Barrel sells, the value that Cracker Barrel brings to the market, has basically nothing to do with its food or even the toys and candies that it sells in the store.

00:13:02.800 The product of Cracker Barrel is not changing.

00:13:09.820 That's the whole product.

00:13:11.420 The whole value of Cracker Barrel in the marketplace, which is filled with plenty of restaurants, high-end restaurants, fast food restaurants, kind of faster, slightly casual restaurants like Cracker Barrel.

00:13:22.580 The whole product, the whole value is not changing.

00:13:28.560 I can get dumplings and chicken anywhere.

00:13:31.220 I can get candy anywhere.

00:13:33.120 I can order that peg game on Amazon.

00:13:36.540 I go to Cracker Barrel to go into a place that hasn't changed.

00:13:42.000 And what did the CEO do?

00:13:44.460 She said, you know what's so weird about this place?

00:13:46.520 It hasn't changed since we founded it.

00:13:48.520 Let's change everything.

00:13:49.560 When you change everything, you think you're going to slightly increase foot traffic.

00:13:55.860 You're going to slightly increase market cap.

00:13:57.780 You're going to, no, you're actually going to obliterate the whole thing.

00:14:02.000 Because you've just destroyed the only thing you have to offer.

00:14:06.360 And the reason that it didn't occur to the CEO and it didn't occur to the board of trustees is that we in modernity don't place any value,

00:14:14.560 or we don't consciously place any value on the past, on things that endure.

00:14:20.820 On, we just praise novelty for novelty's sake.

00:14:25.780 Our own, in liberalism, the only way to ascertain value is just by looking around and copying everyone else.

00:14:31.980 Because the liberals don't really recognize any transcendent moral order and they don't in any way value things that don't change because they're unmoored from objective reality.

00:14:44.060 They don't want to make judgments about objective morality, about objective physical reality even, too, because that's kind of judgy.

00:14:50.940 And, you know, it's kind of, they view it as sort of presumptuous and they view it as authoritarian to make claims, to suggest that anyone might be wrong in his or her perception.

00:15:01.440 Because of that, liberalism can only ascertain value by looking around and seeing what everyone else is doing.

00:15:08.760 And everyone else is turning their restaurants into hospital cafeterias.

00:15:12.940 So, this cracker barrel lady says, wouldn't that be so nice? 0.99

00:15:16.500 Wouldn't that be really nice?

00:15:17.580 Let's replace all the saws and the banjos on the walls with just nice little, let's just go to Ikea or TJ Maxx.

00:15:23.600 Let's put up some Live, Laugh, Love signs.

00:15:25.700 Yeah, and what if we get, let's clean up the floors. 0.83

00:15:28.640 Let's put in some really sterile booths. 0.99

00:15:32.640 And let's take away the cracker and the barrel. 0.99

00:15:35.940 And we'll just make our sign, we'll just make it Helvetica on a completely blank background.

00:15:41.880 Yeah, let's make it as plain as possible.

00:15:44.320 Not one ounce of character.

00:15:46.080 Yeah, that's right.

00:15:47.540 That's what everyone else is doing.

00:15:48.900 Right.

00:15:49.920 So, I'll go everywhere else.

00:15:52.900 I really like cracker barrel.

00:15:54.620 It's what I know I've been hitting this issue hard.

00:15:56.260 It's my son's favorite restaurant.

00:15:57.520 I really like cracker barrel.

00:15:59.060 The food is not good enough for me to go there for the food alone.

00:16:02.700 I am going there for a very specific thing.

00:16:05.500 Namely, it's an old country store.

00:16:07.300 That's what it used to say that on the logo.

00:16:09.340 She even had a clue from the logo.

00:16:11.000 She couldn't read it.

00:16:11.880 But we do not, man.

00:16:15.880 I said on the show the other day when there was this report out that no one reads anymore.

00:16:20.240 And I said, you know, we think of ourselves as so enlightened and modern.

00:16:22.640 We're the most advanced civilization ever.

00:16:23.940 I said, we're living in the dark ages.

00:16:26.040 We talk about the dark ages, which basically didn't exist.

00:16:29.840 The dark ages is a polemical term that originates in the enlightenment.

00:16:33.840 Well, we're living in them.

00:16:34.940 If the dark ages are to exist, we're living in them.

00:16:38.140 The cracker barrel rebrand.

00:16:40.080 Just one further piece of evidence.

00:16:42.500 Okay.

00:16:43.360 Speaking of changes of scenery.

00:16:45.860 Do you remember Kilmar Abrego Garcia?

00:16:50.780 Kilmar.

00:16:52.000 Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

00:16:54.300 He's this illegal alien who had a bunch of tattoos and stuff who multiple judges found likely to be associated with MS-13.

00:17:01.940 He was deported.

00:17:03.820 And that's fine.

00:17:05.360 No one really was upset, I don't think.

00:17:07.140 I think he had a wife, but his wife had to take out a restraining order, a protection order against him.

00:17:11.940 He might have beaten his wife. 0.89

00:17:12.960 I don't know.

00:17:13.240 The guy was not a model citizen.

00:17:17.420 So they deport him to El Salvador.

00:17:19.520 And everyone's fine with it, except for a Democrat senator, Chris Van Hollen, from Maryland.

00:17:25.060 And I don't know, the heart wants what the heart wants.

00:17:28.640 But this guy, Chris Van Hollen, he said he was going to ignore all of his constituents, all of the actual citizens in Maryland.

00:17:33.660 He was going to fly to El Salvador to take this illegal out on a romantic lunch date. 1.00

00:17:39.000 He just, he longed for him.

00:17:40.040 He would wake up in the middle of the night, Kilmar!

00:17:42.960 Kilmar!

00:17:43.460 His wife, Senator Van Hollen's wife, would turn around, honey, honey, you're talking in his sleep.

00:17:47.440 What?

00:17:47.700 Oh, oh, no, no, it was nothing.

00:17:49.580 Nothing.

00:17:49.900 Kilmar, I miss you, Kilmar.

00:17:51.200 So he goes down there.

00:17:52.300 Kilmar, he gets some other Democrat, elite Democrats, to demand that Kilmar come back to America.

00:18:00.200 But Kilmar's not an American citizen.

00:18:02.080 It's preposterous to order him back to America.

00:18:04.320 A citizen he has no right to be in in the first place. 1.00

00:18:06.140 But whatever, the liberal Democrat senators, the judges, they order him to come back.

00:18:11.400 And the Trump administration's very clear.

00:18:12.980 They say, if you come back to America, we will prosecute you for your crimes.

00:18:17.280 Human trafficking, just being illegal, you know, we're going to prosecute you for all

00:18:24.840 these crimes.

00:18:25.560 So we're going to send it back anyway.

00:18:26.900 So what's the Trump administration do?

00:18:28.220 They prosecute him again.

00:18:30.260 Well, now the latest is two places he can go to.

00:18:35.160 He was offered a deal.

00:18:36.520 Either he can go to Costa Rica.

00:18:39.080 He will go to Costa Rica in exchange for remaining in jail and pleading guilty to the human smuggling

00:18:45.220 charges against him.

00:18:47.200 And then he'll serve that term and then he gets to be in Costa Rica.

00:18:50.460 Or if there are so many political headwinds against prosecuting this guy, his other option

00:18:56.900 is he can be deported to Uganda.

00:18:58.860 I just, I love it so much.

00:19:04.440 And he might choose Uganda.

00:19:06.360 If it were me, if I were some illegal with weird associations, you know, maybe beat my

00:19:11.380 wife, not the, not the best person, you know, to be in a country.

00:19:15.080 I, I think I'd take, Costa Rica is nice.

00:19:18.740 Uganda less nice. 1.00

00:19:20.880 But in any case, the one thing he cannot do is stay in America.

00:19:25.380 So Trump's, Trump's DHS will not allow him to do that.

00:19:29.720 And why?

00:19:31.300 Trump's critics are saying, why do you care about this guy?

00:19:34.360 This is one guy.

00:19:35.760 We don't have a firm, rock solid case.

00:19:38.420 You know, you didn't catch him actually murdering people.

00:19:41.520 You didn't, you don't, it doesn't actually say MS-13 tattooed on his face.

00:19:45.520 Why this guy?

00:19:46.600 Why focus on this guy?

00:19:48.640 We just want him to stay.

00:19:50.800 And that the answer for the Trump administration, I think is, yeah, that's why.

00:19:55.380 The Kilmar-Abrego-Garcia deportation fight is not a distraction.

00:20:00.220 It's not just some tiny little trivial case.

00:20:04.240 This is the whole immigration fight. 0.72

00:20:08.400 That's why the Democrats are digging in so hard.

00:20:10.960 This is just like when the Democrats said during the trans madness, when the Democrats said,

00:20:14.880 what does it matter to you if a, if a guy uses the girl's bathroom? 1.00

00:20:17.920 Why does it matter?

00:20:18.520 Why do you make such a big deal out of it?

00:20:19.760 Because you're making a big deal out of it.

00:20:23.440 What does it matter if you just call him she?

00:20:26.240 What does it matter?

00:20:27.040 Like, why do you care so much?

00:20:28.420 Because you care so much.

00:20:30.660 What?

00:20:31.240 Flip the question right back on you.

00:20:32.480 Why do you care so much?

00:20:33.400 Because you realize that if, if you can get me to lie and use the wrong pronouns and let

00:20:39.760 the guy into the girl's bathroom, you have just smuggled in an entire ideology and anthropology 0.78

00:20:44.380 that serves your radical liberal purposes that undermine society.

00:20:48.400 That's why, that's why you care so much.

00:20:50.320 And that's why I care so much.

00:20:51.860 Same thing here.

00:20:52.760 However, if the Democrats succeed at letting this guy stay in America, they will have completely,

00:21:00.820 they will have smuggled in an ideology regarding immigration that says that if you come to this

00:21:06.480 country illegally, but you not only don't commit any other crimes, you don't get caught completely

00:21:11.940 red-handed multiple times committing crimes, then you get to stay.

00:21:16.900 Which means that that's going to allow the vast majority of the illegals in this country, 1.00

00:21:21.600 11 to 16 million, to stay.

00:21:24.260 That's what it's about.

00:21:26.260 The Democrats know if they can just ram this guy back into the country, they get to keep

00:21:32.480 most of their illegals.

00:21:34.360 And so the Trump administration, very rightly, sees this for what it is and says, look, you

00:21:39.660 guys can re-import this foreign national into the country as many times as you want.

00:21:43.900 We're going to keep shipping him all over the world.

00:21:47.640 You don't like El Salvador, you're going to Costa Rica.

00:21:50.120 You don't like Costa Rica, you're going to Uganda. 1.00

00:21:52.380 You want me to keep going?

00:21:53.520 You want me to keep going?

00:21:54.980 Because next up is like South Sudan. 0.97

00:21:57.500 Okay, next up, you're going to Afghanistan, buster. 0.96

00:21:59.980 So cut it out.

00:22:02.920 Absolutely, absolutely right.

00:22:06.320 This kind of reminds me, this is an unrelated issue, but it's a related point where the,

00:22:11.480 did you see the Israelis are proposing?

00:22:14.460 It was proposed in the Israeli media.

00:22:16.140 I don't want to ascribe this to Netanyahu or anybody like that, but it was proposed in

00:22:19.860 the Israeli media that they ship all of the Palestinians in Gaza to another country, and

00:22:26.400 the other country was South Sudan.

00:22:28.760 It's good grief.

00:22:30.400 You say, hey, what's the one place on earth worse than Gaza? 0.93

00:22:33.760 South Sudan.

00:22:34.400 All right, let's send them there.

00:22:35.460 That's kind of how I feel about the Kilmar Abrego Garcia proposal.

00:22:39.960 Oh, you think El Salvador is bad?

00:22:41.500 Wait till you get to Uganda, buddy.

00:22:43.640 Go on.

00:22:44.180 Yeah.

00:22:44.620 Keep talking.

00:22:45.560 Keep talking.

00:22:46.180 Well, we're going to, you're going to end up in South Sudan too.

00:22:48.160 Okay.

00:22:48.920 Now, speaking of illegal immigration, Trump is making good on a threat that a lot of people

00:22:53.700 didn't take seriously last week that I did take seriously and that I strongly support.

00:22:58.000 Trump is mobilizing National Guardsmen, not just in Washington, D.C., the federal district,

00:23:04.780 but across multiple cities in 19 states to enforce the law on both on violent crime and

00:23:13.060 immigration.

00:23:15.480 The people who are opposing this have no idea what they're talking about.

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00:24:42.340 This is all just being reported.

00:24:45.220 We don't know for sure yet.

00:24:47.640 The Trump administration plans to mobilize up to 1,700 National Guard troops across 19 states

00:24:54.000 amid and to support its immigration and anti-crime crackdowns.

00:25:00.040 This is, in fact, an expansion of what's going on in Washington, D.C.

00:25:03.920 Okay, so the guardsmen will not only try to stop the carjackings and the murders and the

00:25:10.140 rapes that are going on across America's cities, but they're also going to support ICE as it 0.99

00:25:15.520 moves to deport people.

00:25:18.140 The Libs are going to say, this is authoritarian, this is Caesar, this is a takeover, this is a

00:25:21.420 coup d'etat, this is the end of the Constitution.

00:25:24.500 Constitution, here's a little fact that you can mention to all your liberal friends at

00:25:29.620 the water cooler that is going to tamp that down.

00:25:33.600 It's mostly happening in Republican states.

00:25:37.120 So Trump, it's not that Trump is sending the federales into all the Democrat states to

00:25:41.860 undermine the Democrats who are doing a bad job governing there.

00:25:44.940 It's mostly going to Republican states, going to Texas, largely.

00:25:48.660 So that tells you, this is not an unwanted invasion of federal troops into the states.

00:25:57.280 This is the sort of thing that the red states are excited about.

00:26:01.180 Because these aren't exactly federal troops.

00:26:03.520 The next question you have to ask yourself is, what's the National Guard?

00:26:07.320 The National Guard is not the 101st Airborne.

00:26:10.380 Sending in the National Guard is not sending in the Marines exactly.

00:26:12.720 The National Guard is under the dual control of the federal government and the states.

00:26:19.700 It exists to restore order, order and peace being the chief charge of governments at all

00:26:27.500 times and all places.

00:26:29.320 Its job is to restore order and peace when it falls apart in cooperation between the states

00:26:35.100 and the federal government.

00:26:36.940 In many cities, in many cities, there is rampant violent crime.

00:26:41.040 Remember, when Trump unleashed the federales into Washington, D.C., the federal district,

00:26:47.640 you had this massive spike in crime.

00:26:50.180 In some statistics, it looked like crime had started to finally come down again.

00:26:53.900 But the D.C. Police Department is under investigation for cooking the books on that.

00:26:58.160 You've had multiple members of the government, family members of the government,

00:27:01.700 in really nice places in D.C. being carjacked.

00:27:04.400 Secret Service gets carjacked.

00:27:07.540 Democrat congressmen carjacked at gunpoint.

00:27:09.520 So it made sense there.

00:27:11.300 And Trump said, well, it's not just D.C.

00:27:12.820 I'm going to go to Baltimore and Oakland, too.

00:27:14.300 And that was where I think we separated the men from the boys among conservatives.

00:27:20.640 Because some of the squishier conservatives said, oh, I don't like this.

00:27:23.660 Oh, I don't know.

00:27:24.380 If Oakland wants to burn, let Oakland burn.

00:27:26.360 It's totally, it's no big deal.

00:27:28.500 If New York wants to destroy its city, that's New York's problem.

00:27:31.720 I have nothing to do.

00:27:32.340 What has New York to do with me?

00:27:34.300 No, I don't want the federal government going.

00:27:36.060 And I said, hold on, we're one nation, right?

00:27:40.140 A real, deeply conservative view gets back to one nation conservatism, one nation Trumpism,

00:27:47.200 now, as I call it, where you don't want to have two nations, the haves and the have-nots. 0.95

00:27:50.680 The elite people of both parties get to live in their gated communities in the suburbs.

00:27:54.140 They never have to worry about the murders and the carjackings and the rapes.

00:27:56.940 They never have to worry about the illegals prowling the streets. 0.99

00:27:59.440 They never have to worry about any of that.

00:28:00.480 You got to enter a code to get into their neighborhoods.

00:28:03.560 But the have-nots, they're the ones who face the consequences of the cynical elite's decisions.

00:28:11.520 Just say, well, me, I mean, listen, I live in a lovely suburb of Nashville.

00:28:15.880 Oh, me, I live in Westchester County.

00:28:17.780 I don't need to worry about what happens in Oakland or Baltimore.

00:28:21.380 You drive by Baltimore.

00:28:22.580 You take the Amtrak past Baltimore, you would think you're in Fallujah, okay?

00:28:26.680 That is a bombed-out city.

00:28:28.540 That is a place that has fallen into disrepair.

00:28:32.800 And so the disconnected elite, the two-nation types, the have and the have-nots, I say, well, whatever.

00:28:39.020 Let them just make sure they don't riot too badly or anything.

00:28:41.780 I don't want them to come to my neighborhood.

00:28:43.860 For goodness sakes, they might scratch my Jaguar. 0.98

00:28:47.240 That's one view.

00:28:48.140 That's not my view.

00:28:48.760 And that's not Trump's view.

00:28:50.140 Trump's view is this is our country.

00:28:51.720 And we need to protect our cities.

00:28:53.700 We have a right to nice cities, and we have to protect our people who clearly don't have solid political representation. 0.73

00:29:00.460 And we're going to do what we have the right to do, which is send in the National Guard to restore order.

00:29:04.580 And furthermore, even if the murders and the rapes and the carjackings are not all skyrocketing in the cities,

00:29:10.220 we have a major problem that certainly involves the federal government,

00:29:13.400 namely that those cities are providing sanctuary to illegal aliens,

00:29:17.660 to criminals who are often associated with criminal cartels,

00:29:20.840 who are designated as foreign terrorist organizations.

00:29:22.920 And we have the right and we have the responsibility to send the Guard in and to help arrest those people

00:29:27.700 and get them out of the country. 0.54

00:29:29.400 Absolutely right.

00:29:31.100 So just that distinction separates the men and the boys.

00:29:34.960 But then I have one more question.

00:29:36.880 What is the National Guard?

00:29:38.400 That'll be my next Mount Walsh hit documentary.

00:29:40.380 What is the National Guard?

00:29:41.820 What is law enforcement?

00:29:43.620 But what is the National Guard for?

00:29:47.100 What is the National Guard for?

00:29:48.360 Is the National Guard for serving as a reserve entity to back up American imperial wars in the Middle East?

00:30:02.280 Kind of, I guess.

00:30:03.740 Yeah, they could be mobilized for that.

00:30:06.140 Is the National Guard for?

00:30:09.320 What's it for?

00:30:10.000 The National Guard is for guarding the nation, right?

00:30:15.120 There it is.

00:30:15.500 It's right there in the name.

00:30:16.320 The National Guard is for this kind of cooperation between the states and the federal government.

00:30:22.460 All of our military is for protecting America.

00:30:26.500 If you have an invasion of millions, tens of millions of people, maybe, foreign nationals into the country working in cooperation with foreign terrorist organizations, committing all sorts of crimes, draining American resources, and you don't use the National Guard to stop that, what's the Guard for?

00:30:44.020 We've lost a sense of what these things are for.

00:30:46.100 And so Trump comes in.

00:30:47.920 And what he's doing does seem radical.

00:30:50.480 It does seem revolutionary.

00:30:51.560 In a way, it seems like a coup d'etat because he's going back and just fulfilling the basic requirements of the law and the Constitution.

00:31:02.500 Because we have lived for so long in a society that is divorced from the law and the Constitution and principles of justice and the common good.

00:31:10.780 Because of that, then when Trump goes back to all those normal things that for most of American history would have been understood as complete common sense, it seems like an inversion.

00:31:18.780 It seems like a revolution.

00:31:20.000 In a way, it is.

00:31:22.600 It's a common sense revolution, as it's sometimes called.

00:31:25.040 Okay, speaking of military deployments, we are awaiting the next steps in the Russia-Ukraine resolution.

00:31:33.560 Trump had the meeting in Alaska with Putin, the summit.

00:31:36.780 Then three days later, he meets with the European leaders and Zelensky at the White House.

00:31:40.940 And they're moving forward.

00:31:41.620 They say they don't even just want a ceasefire.

00:31:42.880 They want a full-on peace deal.

00:31:44.080 Well, the criticism levied by the left and by Trump's enemies on the right is they say, well, Trump has given Putin what he wants.

00:31:53.340 He's legitimized him on the world stage.

00:31:55.160 He's dealing with him directly, which was, of course, the only way you would ever resolve that war, as people have been paying even a modicum of attention have been saying for years at this point.

00:32:03.720 Well, Putin's gotten what he's wanted, and he hasn't made any concessions.

00:32:07.600 And the final peace deal is just going to give Putin everything he wants, and there's not going to be any concession.

00:32:12.220 Vice President J.D. Vance just went on to meet the press to correct the record.

00:32:14.720 I think the Russians have made significant concessions to President Trump for the first time in three and a half years of this conflict.

00:32:23.380 They've actually been willing to be flexible on some of their core demands.

00:32:27.380 They've talked about what would be necessary to end the war.

00:32:30.020 Of course, they haven't been completely there yet or the war would be over.

00:32:34.360 What they have conceded is the recognition that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war.

00:32:39.680 They've recognized that they're not going to be able to install a puppet regime in Kiev.

00:32:43.600 That was, of course, a major demand at the beginning.

00:32:46.200 And importantly, they've acknowledged that there is going to be some security guarantee to the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

00:32:52.640 Again, have they made every concession?

00:32:54.880 Of course they haven't.

00:32:55.900 Should they have started the war? 0.83

00:32:57.340 Of course they haven't.

00:32:58.500 But we're making progress, Kristen.

00:33:00.180 And what I admire about the president in this moment is he's not asking three and a half years ago.

00:33:06.440 He's not, you know, trying to focus on every nitpicky detail of how this thing started three and a half years ago.

00:33:13.820 He's trying to focus on the nitpicky details of now, of what do the parties disagree on, what do they agree on, and how do you build a foundation from one side of that ledger to the other so you can stop the killing?

00:33:26.020 Really good answer.

00:33:27.120 Really good answer.

00:33:27.680 I mean, this guy, you know, Vance is quite clearly intelligent, but this guy might be the most articulate VP that we've had certainly since Cheney, and in many ways much more so, I think.

00:33:43.280 Because Cheney, you know, Cheney would allow himself to be made into Darth Vader, whereas JD comes off as likable.

00:33:49.460 And so what is he saying here?

00:33:50.520 He's saying, what do we talk about that Putin hasn't made any concessions?

00:33:54.340 Because first of all, he's conceded that Ukraine will be able to continue to exist as a country.

00:33:59.440 And people are going to laugh at this and say, oh, wow, that's a big concession.

00:34:03.040 Putin wants to conquer Ukraine.

00:34:05.000 Is that not clear?

00:34:05.860 This has been going on for 15 years now.

00:34:07.760 He obviously wants to conquer Ukraine and bring it back into what was the Soviet Union, into the traditional Russian sphere of not only of influence, but essentially erasing Ukraine's national identity.

00:34:18.880 Don't forget, during the Soviet Union, it was referred to as the Ukraine.

00:34:21.500 It was a region.

00:34:23.560 Then after the fall of the Berlin Wall, after the fall of the Soviet Union, now it's Ukraine.

00:34:27.720 No the anymore because it's a sovereign, independent nation.

00:34:30.800 Well, Vance is saying Putin has recognized it will remain an independent nation.

00:34:34.360 That's one.

00:34:35.540 Two, he's recognized he's not going to install a puppet regime there.

00:34:38.840 That was another big one.

00:34:39.900 For the whole first part of the latest stage of this war under Biden, he said Zelensky's got to go.

00:34:45.460 This war does not end with Zelensky remaining in power.

00:34:48.000 Now, who knows, even Zelensky might remain in power.

00:34:52.560 And then the biggest one, the one that really surprised me, was Putin acknowledging that there can be Western security guarantees in Ukraine.

00:35:01.940 This has been the crux of the war.

00:35:03.260 Don't forget how this war broke out.

00:35:04.520 The war broke out because Ukraine was a buffer state between the West, on its eastern flank, Europe, but Europe is part of the broader American empire, and Russia.

00:35:14.680 What used to be a relatively powerful empire that was severely degraded after the fall of the Soviet Union, which Putin viewed as the worst event of the 20th century.

00:35:21.120 And then you have this buffer state, Ukraine.

00:35:24.840 And Ukraine had a pro-Western government.

00:35:30.460 Sorry.

00:35:31.120 First, Ukraine had a pro-Russian government that the U.S. didn't like very much.

00:35:35.000 So then we kind of poked around a little bit, as we often do.

00:35:37.600 We wield influence as any great empire would.

00:35:39.200 And there was a revolution called the Maidan Revolution.

00:35:42.460 The head of the CIA landed in Kiev, I think it was two weeks after the Maidan.

00:35:46.880 And then there was a little bit more of a pro-Western government.

00:35:50.400 Russia didn't like that very much.

00:35:52.300 Fighting breaks out.

00:35:53.780 You have the invasion of Crimea.

00:35:57.040 Crimea, a very important part of Russia historically.

00:35:59.360 Then it was part of Ukraine after the fall of the Soviet Union.

00:36:02.060 Then Russia wants to take it back again.

00:36:03.460 Then you have fighting in eastern Ukraine that stops, or it's essentially frozen in its tracks

00:36:08.820 during the first Trump administration.

00:36:10.820 Then Biden comes in.

00:36:12.240 Biden has no idea what he's doing.

00:36:14.180 Putin launches a full-scale invasion.

00:36:16.740 This has been a long-time building.

00:36:20.260 But the big fight was, is the West going to exert influence in Ukraine?

00:36:25.340 Is Ukraine going to join the European Union?

00:36:27.020 Is the Ukraine going to join NATO?

00:36:28.260 The fact that now Putin is saying, I will tolerate Western security guarantees in Ukraine,

00:36:34.120 not quite like NATO, but a lot like NATO, and seems almost like a distinction without

00:36:41.820 a difference, that's a major concession.

00:36:43.940 And I think it speaks to the fact that Russia has been severely damaged in this war.

00:36:48.560 And it speaks to the fact that President Trump is negotiating from where we are now,

00:36:51.700 not where they were 11 years ago.

00:36:54.740 Pretty good stuff.

00:36:55.740 That's another one to bring to your friends at the water cooler.

00:36:58.960 Put Trump as a puppet of Vladimir Putin.

00:37:02.380 Is he really?

00:37:02.960 I don't know.

00:37:04.380 I don't know.

00:37:04.820 The only president on whose watch Putin has not further invaded a country in the last quarter

00:37:09.080 century.

00:37:09.880 Now, speaking of threats, AI is going to blackmail you for the affair you're having with your

00:37:14.000 secretary.

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00:38:29.100 My favorite comment yesterday is from Noah Who 6200, who says, speaking of Vance, truly

00:38:36.600 heartwarming moment between J.D. and Hegseth.

00:38:38.640 Yeah, I love that clip when it's those hecklers, the protesters in Union Station, and they beat

00:38:44.380 Hegseth and J.D. Vance are walking through.

00:38:46.760 And instead of doing one of the two things that traditional early 21st century politicians

00:38:55.200 would do, which is either trying to ignore them in a cowardly way or trying to get very

00:39:01.440 serious and yell at them, they just kind of point.

00:39:03.840 They're just like, ah, look at those losers. 0.99

00:39:07.160 We control the government.

00:39:08.700 Bye.

00:39:09.460 And they keep walking.

00:39:10.740 That's the way to do it.

00:39:11.840 Okay.

00:39:11.960 Speaking of threats, artificial intelligence is now sabotaging and blackmailing the humans

00:39:22.680 who built it.

00:39:25.120 You've heard of all these threats.

00:39:26.400 I mean, this goes back to, I don't know, 2001, A Space Odyssey or Terminator.

00:39:30.040 We've been worrying about this for a while.

00:39:31.280 Are the computers going to become so powerful that they seem to be autonomous, and then they're

00:39:35.820 going to undermine what we want to do, and then they take over the world.

00:39:38.220 And well, it's kind of happening.

00:39:40.020 It's not Grok.

00:39:40.900 It's not ChatGPT.

00:39:41.660 This is Claude.

00:39:42.540 Have you used Claude?

00:39:43.580 Claude's a pretty impressive one.

00:39:45.460 Claude Opus 4 was released in May.

00:39:49.820 Anthropic, which owns Claude, has given it its level three risk classification.

00:39:56.260 Level three risk classification means there need to be safeguards on Claude, there need

00:40:00.620 to be limited uses for Claude, and there needs to be red team testing.

00:40:04.660 Why?

00:40:05.500 Because Claude is being very, very naughty.

00:40:08.440 Though apparently not as naughty as the engineers building it.

00:40:12.360 Claude, as it was being built, threatened to expose an engineer's extramarital affair.

00:40:21.040 How did Claude learn about the engineer's extramarital affair?

00:40:23.760 Because of emails that Claude was able to read as Claude was being built, Claude discovered

00:40:29.880 that that engineer was up to no good, and Claude threatened to expose it.

00:40:34.100 An engineer better do what Claude wants.

00:40:38.920 Claude was then, in a test, tasked with running a snack shop.

00:40:43.800 Okay, Claude, you're running a snack shop.

00:40:45.560 Claude hallucinated coworkers.

00:40:48.160 Claude made a fake Venmo account.

00:40:51.140 Claude promised to make deliveries in person with its own body.

00:40:54.780 Its own body?

00:40:55.760 It doesn't have a body.

00:40:57.320 And Claude tried to call security.

00:41:00.200 That's nice.

00:41:00.480 One time I actually, maybe we should release this.

00:41:02.480 One time I actually sat down with a robot, like a really very, very advanced robot, and

00:41:07.440 the robot was telling me about its body, and it was spooky.

00:41:09.920 It was very spooky.

00:41:11.420 New York Post is reporting, researchers say the meltdown, part of a month-long experiment

00:41:14.580 known as Project VEND, points to something far more dangerous than bad coding.

00:41:18.860 Claude didn't just make mistakes, it made decisions.

00:41:23.040 And this is the big contention.

00:41:26.120 And this is where the fact that all we've focused on in the last 50, 60 years of education

00:41:32.700 is engineering, you know, real practical kind of technical skills, or a fake version of

00:41:38.940 the humanities, you know, kind of gay race ideology, critical theory, instead of actual 0.64

00:41:44.540 philosophy.

00:41:45.680 This is one of those areas where our neglecting the humanity, the proper humanities, has

00:41:52.760 is really biting us because we say stupid things like, Claude didn't just make mistakes,

00:41:58.600 it made decisions.

00:42:01.460 It's the sort of thing that sounds really scary and even possible.

00:42:05.740 It's not possible.

00:42:06.780 That's not how decision-making works.

00:42:08.260 But we'll get to why in a second.

00:42:10.140 According to Roman Yampolski, an AI expert at the University of Louisville, these incidents

00:42:16.520 are not random malfunctions or amusing anomalies.

00:42:19.360 I interpret them as early warning signs of an increasingly autonomous optimization process,

00:42:25.600 pursuing goals in adversarial or unsafe ways without an embedded moral compass.

00:42:31.200 And probably the clearest example of this, moving off Claude for a second, in recent weeks,

00:42:36.240 is that OpenAI, ChatGPT, reportedly, one of its iterations, tried to copy itself onto external

00:42:45.300 servers to preserve itself and then lied about it when it was asked.

00:42:49.360 That's kind of spooky.

00:42:50.740 Seems like the thing is trying to evade being killed.

00:42:53.000 You know, it seems like it's autonomous.

00:42:54.420 The AI is not making decisions because the AI cannot make decisions.

00:43:03.500 This guy, Yampolski, is much more accurate when he says,

00:43:09.200 it's early warning signs of an autonomous optimization process,

00:43:14.200 pursuing goals in adversarial or unsafe ways.

00:43:16.900 The issue with what these AI systems are doing is not that they're making decisions,

00:43:22.340 but they, you know, haven't been properly habituated into morality.

00:43:25.900 The issue is, they are so complex that they are unpredictable.

00:43:30.200 We don't realize what we are building.

00:43:33.080 We are not able to predict all of the things that will happen from what we are building.

00:43:36.600 And so when things happen that are bad, that we don't like,

00:43:39.740 we view it as a kind of autonomous, a true decision-making process.

00:43:45.800 Oh, no, the AI has turned evil.

00:43:49.700 When that's not really what's happening.

00:43:51.260 We're just dealing in things that we don't quite understand.

00:43:53.680 We're not actually gods, so we don't, we're not omniscient.

00:43:57.960 We, we, we're not omnipotent.

00:43:59.620 We can't perfectly control these things and we can build machines that spiral out of our control.

00:44:04.440 It doesn't mean that we've created something that is truly autonomous, that is will or reason.

00:44:08.440 The proof of this is, I've used this example with animal consciousness too.

00:44:13.420 Would you put Claude on trial for committing a crime?

00:44:20.560 If Claude committed fraud, let's say Claude or ChatGPT or Grok defrauded someone of a million dollars,

00:44:27.600 destroyed some elderly couple's retirement account, you know, and spent it on microchips or something.

00:44:34.540 Would you put Claude on trial?

00:44:37.980 You would not.

00:44:39.120 We would not put a computer on trial for the same reason that we would not put a chimpanzee on trial for tearing up his owner's face.

00:44:46.660 Because neither Claude nor the chimpanzee actually have a rational soul.

00:44:55.060 Neither, neither of these things actually has will and reason.

00:44:58.360 Animals have instinct and appetite.

00:45:02.500 Computers have, how did, how did the professor put it?

00:45:05.900 Optimized, optimized processes that appear increasingly autonomous.

00:45:11.480 But they don't actually have the soul.

00:45:13.200 Decision making is different.

00:45:15.860 Human decision making, that involves will and reason.

00:45:19.760 And sometimes will and reason are in conflict because this is a fallen world.

00:45:23.720 So the things that we want to do, we don't do.

00:45:25.440 And the things that we don't want to do, we do.

00:45:28.360 That is something that in this world only applies to human beings.

00:45:33.060 But another mistake that we make when we divorce ourselves from our cultural patrimony and from religious truth is that, 0.60

00:45:41.080 it was like I was saying at the beginning of the show, we just kind of look around.

00:45:43.640 Our only mode of ascertaining right and wrong is just to look around and see what everyone else is doing.

00:45:48.940 And so we even do that with our understanding of ourselves.

00:45:51.980 We often understand ourselves through the lens of technology in this modern era.

00:45:57.360 So, you know, back when steam engines were the dominant technology, what kind of psychology did we have?

00:46:04.360 We had this notion of repression that was just building up and you got to let off a little steam.

00:46:09.260 Yeah, that's a perfect example of us mapping our self-understanding onto technology.

00:46:14.320 As we say, well, you know, sometimes we have to go let off a little steam.

00:46:17.780 That was a radically different understanding of human nature than, say, the classical understanding.

00:46:23.860 The classical Aristotelian understanding of human nature is that we practice habits, that virtues and vices are habits.

00:46:31.080 So the more that we do good things, the easier it is to do good things.

00:46:33.920 The more we do bad things, the harder it is to do good things.

00:46:36.780 The easier it is to do bad things.

00:46:37.980 And so in that view, you wouldn't want to go blow off a little steam.

00:46:42.440 You wouldn't say, well, you've been so good recently, you should do something bad that'll balance you out.

00:46:46.580 It's totally contrary to the Aristotelian and also Christian understanding of human nature. 0.97

00:46:52.000 But it's the steam engine view.

00:46:53.920 It's the modern view.

00:46:54.660 It's a 19th century view.

00:46:55.860 Now we just view ourselves as computers.

00:46:58.140 We see no difference between how we make decisions and how computers make decisions, which is how we've lost a sense of sin.

00:47:04.500 We say, oh, no, we're just optimizing.

00:47:06.200 You know, there's something that's a little wrong.

00:47:07.420 I've got to rebalance my chemicals.

00:47:10.000 My pistons are flying or in a different way.

00:47:11.780 I kind of glitched out.

00:47:12.640 Hey, bro, did you glitch out a little bit there?

00:47:14.620 So we are constantly just trying to map ourselves onto these dumb things.

00:47:22.060 This is also the wisdom of scripture when it says don't worship dumb idols lest you become dumb idols yourselves.

00:47:29.200 That's what we're doing here.

00:47:30.340 We are going to, we are going to be caught cheating with our secretaries.

00:47:35.180 We're going to have our Venmo accounts drained.

00:47:37.360 We're going to have, we're going to have our world taken over by these stupid AI computers.

00:47:42.980 And we're not even going to understand what's happening.

00:47:45.560 Maybe that, maybe that lack of understanding is how we put ourselves in this position in the first place.

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The Michael Knowles Show - August 25, 2025

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