The Michael Knowles Show - September 04, 2025


Ep. 1807 - Missing Minute Of Epstein Cell Footage REVEALED


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In the wake of the Epstein scandal, the government releases a full minute of footage from the night that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered in his jail cell. But what happened to that missing minute? And why is it so important that it be released?

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00:00:30.000 Hey, remember when the government said all the cameras malfunctioned
00:00:36.200 outside of Jeffrey Epstein's jail cell so that we could never know,
00:00:40.180 could never see what supposedly went on the night that he killed himself?
00:00:44.720 Then, then the government released 11 hours of the supposedly original footage,
00:00:49.660 which it had previously said didn't exist.
00:00:51.680 But then a cursor was discovered on the screen,
00:00:55.360 proving that the footage was not original.
00:00:57.460 A fact also proven by the disappearance of a full minute of footage just before midnight,
00:01:02.660 which the government then told us did not exist
00:01:04.980 because the cameras always skip a minute before midnight for some reason.
00:01:09.800 Well, if you remember all that, you are ready for the latest update to the story,
00:01:14.440 which is that the cameras didn't actually lose a minute at midnight.
00:01:18.780 The minute of footage exists, and it's been released,
00:01:22.000 and the media are reporting that it doesn't show anything except it does.
00:01:26.320 We'll get into it. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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00:03:15.980 You'll remember the missing minute.
00:03:17.460 I know it's hard to track every aspect of the Epstein story,
00:03:22.320 but there was this 11 hours of footage that was released
00:03:27.180 after we were told there was no footage.
00:03:28.800 11 hours released, and I said, see, here it is.
00:03:30.840 Nothing really happens.
00:03:32.060 Except right before midnight, you're looking at the footage of the cells,
00:03:36.740 and then the timer changes.
00:03:39.920 It goes up one minute.
00:03:41.200 The frame changes, and you say, well, hold on.
00:03:43.500 What happened to that minute?
00:03:44.360 So we now have footage of what occurred during that missing minute.
00:03:52.680 Now, hold on a sec.
00:03:53.760 Wait, I don't know if I, if you're only listening to this, I don't.
00:03:57.100 That is, it was a woman in a blue pantsuit. 1.00
00:04:00.480 It's a kind of odd haircut.
00:04:03.100 That, I think that was fake.
00:04:05.460 I don't think that was actually Hillary walking into, 0.89
00:04:07.960 but we do, do we have, do we have the more credible missing minute?
00:04:11.480 We do?
00:04:12.040 Okay.
00:04:12.560 All right, take it away.
00:04:17.320 So it's same, same shot.
00:04:19.140 Hold on.
00:04:21.120 I'm seeing something moving a little bit in the background.
00:04:23.520 Maybe it could just be pixels on the screen.
00:04:27.620 Oh, no, it looks like someone is moving.
00:04:30.560 In the background, you're looking downstairs to a lower floor.
00:04:38.180 59 seconds, 59 minutes and 18 seconds, 19 seconds.
00:04:42.240 So you're, you're almost halfway into this missing minute.
00:04:47.620 The missing minute that we're told is just a quirk of the recording devices.
00:04:51.600 Then we were told, oh, no, well, never mind.
00:04:54.240 There is the footage, but nothing really happens.
00:04:56.300 Is that something on the screen?
00:04:59.520 Is that, I don't know, it's like a bug or something?
00:05:02.960 40 seconds.
00:05:03.980 Hold on.
00:05:04.320 Wait, who's that?
00:05:06.280 There's just a guy.
00:05:10.980 There's just a guy walking in the background.
00:05:15.440 And because of the present, is that another guy?
00:05:18.780 Yeah, we're 56, 58, 59.
00:05:22.020 There's another person in the background.
00:05:22.820 There are two people.
00:05:23.460 Is it two people in the background?
00:05:24.580 And some people are saying, oh, well, there are people in the background, but they couldn't
00:05:28.920 have made it to Jeffrey Epstein's cell because they didn't go up or down the stairs.
00:05:32.220 That's, that's not clear.
00:05:33.900 Just from the camera angle, you can't really tell if they went up or down the stairs.
00:05:37.400 So you're telling me, you're telling me that the government story is Epstein killed himself,
00:05:47.540 totally obvious, case closed.
00:05:49.720 Even though he was on suicide watch, even though he was the most, I don't know, the most interesting
00:05:56.780 prisoner in the American justice system, the guards weren't paying attention and the cameras
00:06:02.620 turned off and his bunkmate was moved out of the cell.
00:06:06.560 And there's no footage, except there is footage, except for that one minute, except there is
00:06:12.900 footage for that one minute, which was clearly edited out quite intentionally.
00:06:16.620 And that's the only minute in which anything happens on camera.
00:06:23.400 Seriously, seriously, that's, oh man.
00:06:30.040 Even, even if the guy or guys in the background of that footage didn't do anything, didn't kill
00:06:35.880 Epstein, didn't smuggle him out of there, didn't do whatever anyone thinks they could
00:06:39.400 have done, this means that the government, by the way, this is not just or even primarily
00:06:46.780 about the Trump administration.
00:06:48.300 This Epstein story goes back 20 years at this point.
00:06:51.800 We've been getting crazy, conflicting details the whole time.
00:06:56.480 But at the very least, what that means is the government didn't give us the true story,
00:07:02.940 whether through deception or through incompetence.
00:07:07.340 The story's changed like a hundred times at this point.
00:07:11.000 So every detail that drops just looks worse and worse.
00:07:14.360 As I've said from the beginning, I never thought we were going to get the whole story on Epstein
00:07:17.680 because it could be one of two things.
00:07:21.420 Either it's all just a bunch of weird coincidences and the official story that Epstein was not mobbed
00:07:27.740 up with intelligence, that Epstein was not blackmailing people, that that, that just, that's true.
00:07:31.880 And everything else is a coincidence and he's just a sex freak and he killed himself.
00:07:35.600 And if that's the case, we've already heard everything we're going to hear about Epstein.
00:07:38.580 Or there's a little more to the story.
00:07:42.340 Or he is what a lot of people think he is.
00:07:45.800 Super spy connected to all these various intel agencies, in which case,
00:07:51.180 you're also never going to get any more of the story.
00:07:54.000 So that's, I hate to be the bearer of realism.
00:07:56.780 I don't really hate it, but I know it's disappointing to some people,
00:08:00.360 but that's just how it works.
00:08:02.180 Governments are not totally transparent.
00:08:03.880 There are clandestine activities and you're not going to get the JFK files.
00:08:08.780 I remember the day they dropped the 80,000 pages of the JFK files.
00:08:11.880 So why aren't you talking about this?
00:08:13.200 I said, I'm not going to read one page of this.
00:08:14.620 You read one page.
00:08:15.520 You tell me if there's anything interesting here.
00:08:17.200 They've been putting this off for decades.
00:08:19.060 They violated executive orders.
00:08:21.220 They violated laws passed by Congress.
00:08:23.820 You think you're going to get the full story?
00:08:25.160 No chance.
00:08:25.620 In any case, the government story changes yet again.
00:08:32.200 Every new drip of information, more questions than answers.
00:08:35.760 So on the outside of the government, on the lawn, actually, of some government buildings,
00:08:43.200 you have the Epstein victims, all the girls and the women who were trafficked by Epstein, worked for Epstein.
00:08:52.660 They held a press conference yesterday saying that if the government won't release the list of names of Epstein's clients, they will.
00:09:00.660 Transparency is justice, release the files and the secrecy and stand with us in declaring that no one, no billionaires, no politicians, not world leaders is above the law.
00:09:13.800 And let me announce now, several of us Epstein survivors have been discussing creating our own list of names.
00:09:27.260 We know the names, many of us, many of us were abused by them.
00:09:40.000 Now, together as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names we all know we're regularly in the Epstein world, and it will be done by survivors and for survivors.
00:09:51.960 No one else is involved.
00:09:57.220 Stay tuned for more details on that.
00:10:01.120 Because history is washing, and so are the women who will come after us. 1.00
00:10:06.300 That's right.
00:10:06.800 Thank you.
00:10:07.380 Thank you.
00:10:11.520 Okay, hold on.
00:10:12.460 So, you know, like this whole time I've said, we're not getting the whole Epstein story.
00:10:16.260 This is ridiculous.
00:10:17.240 I don't believe the official narrative.
00:10:18.680 So you don't need to convince me that there's more to the story.
00:10:22.260 But now, now they're kind of losing me on the other side.
00:10:26.460 Because this is all we ever get, even from the victims, even from the associates of Epstein is, you know, we've got the names.
00:10:35.400 You know what I'm going to do?
00:10:36.740 I'm going to release the names.
00:10:38.680 Oh, you know, I'd like to hold a press conference right now to announce that I will be giving a speech at which I promise at some point in the future to release the names.
00:10:48.840 Why don't you just release the names?
00:10:51.300 Well, you're going to do it.
00:10:52.660 You're going to announce that you're going to do it.
00:10:53.900 What?
00:10:54.540 Just do it.
00:10:55.680 It's been 20 years.
00:10:57.520 It's been 20 years.
00:10:58.960 This story broke in 2005.
00:11:01.160 It then hit the major national news in 2015.
00:11:04.060 It's now 2025.
00:11:05.240 And we're still doing this.
00:11:09.000 Why wouldn't they release the names?
00:11:10.620 Well, a few reasons.
00:11:12.420 Could be that they don't want to be accused of defamation.
00:11:16.580 Because again, some of these people have not been accused of crimes.
00:11:19.200 Even the word she used there, she said, we know the names.
00:11:23.100 We know the people who are regularly in Epstein world.
00:11:26.060 So hold on.
00:11:26.340 That's different than we know the men who abused us.
00:11:28.600 We know the men who groomed us underage.
00:11:31.020 That's not what she said.
00:11:32.220 She said, we know the men who are regularly in Epstein world.
00:11:34.260 What?
00:11:34.520 Like his lawyer?
00:11:35.480 Like his cook?
00:11:36.140 Like his delivery man?
00:11:37.340 Hold on.
00:11:37.640 You can't just go around insinuating that all these people are pedophiles.
00:11:41.680 If they're not, if you don't have any evidence for that.
00:11:44.480 Why else might they not have named the names already?
00:11:46.640 Have they received settlements, for instance?
00:11:49.460 Have they taken money not to name names?
00:11:51.940 Could that be a reason?
00:11:53.420 And then this gets to the next point.
00:11:56.300 This is feeling a little me too-y.
00:11:59.380 This is feeling a little bit.
00:12:02.760 Because there are actually two groups of people that could be plausibly called
00:12:07.500 Epstein victims.
00:12:09.420 And they're very, very different groups of people.
00:12:12.320 The reason any of us, normal people, care about the Epstein story is because the girls
00:12:17.460 were underage.
00:12:19.040 Because Epstein trafficked in underage girls.
00:12:22.420 That's what makes the story particularly lurid and horrifying.
00:12:27.480 That's who I'm referring to when I call them victims.
00:12:31.300 There's another group, though.
00:12:33.480 And I am beginning to fear that that other group is in this for a different kind of motive
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00:14:26.960 The Department of Justice says there were 1,000 victims of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse.
00:14:33.560 But as I just mentioned, there are two very different groups.
00:14:36.240 There were the underage girls, girls who were underage.
00:14:40.960 Some of the girls were 16.
00:14:43.040 At least one of the girls was as young as 14.
00:14:48.080 That's bad.
00:14:49.700 That's what has people's attention and ire.
00:14:51.740 According to the Department of Justice, of the 1,000 victims of Epstein, 36 of them were underage.
00:15:02.300 That's the highest number I can find from a credible source.
00:15:07.480 Or a somewhat credible.
00:15:08.620 So DOJ is not the most credible, I guess.
00:15:10.300 But, you know, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. 0.84
00:15:13.460 That means that 1,000 or more of the so-called Jeffrey Epstein victims were not underage.
00:15:24.340 They were young women.
00:15:26.000 Could have been in their 20s.
00:15:27.640 They were young.
00:15:29.020 They weren't in their 40s.
00:15:30.300 I don't think that was Epstein's type exactly.
00:15:32.300 But they also weren't 17 or 16, and they certainly weren't five.
00:15:38.040 They were young women.
00:15:39.480 So in that case, they were prostitutes who were hired to do a job. 0.93
00:15:44.420 They were not groomed as children.
00:15:46.460 They were not underage.
00:15:48.380 Their prostitution is still illegal, at least in some parts of this country.
00:15:51.700 But that's very different to me.
00:15:55.780 And I also think it's offensive to the underage victims of Jeffrey Epstein's grooming
00:16:01.040 to describe themselves as victims.
00:16:03.940 I mean, I guess we're all victims when we engage in sin in any way.
00:16:06.300 But if you're 25 years old and you're taking money from a rich guy to have sex with him,
00:16:13.820 you're a hooker. 1.00
00:16:14.920 And that's bad.
00:16:15.960 You should not be a hooker. 1.00
00:16:17.160 You should go do something else.
00:16:18.460 But you're not necessarily a victim.
00:16:22.340 You're certainly not a victim in the way that a 16-year-old girl would be.
00:16:25.060 And in that case, for apparently the vast majority of these women, like the vast, vast majority 0.97
00:16:33.500 of these women, they're just hookers threatening to reveal the names of their Johns, which again 1.00
00:16:38.140 is like, fine, okay, that's justice, I guess.
00:16:41.720 But it's a very, very different thing than what is presented as the Epstein story.
00:16:47.380 I want justice for the kids, for the underage people.
00:16:52.680 I want justice as a geopolitical matter to figure out which intelligence agencies, if any, were
00:17:00.400 involved in this, which states, if any, were involved in.
00:17:03.520 That's what I'm interested in.
00:17:05.520 But if it's a bunch of hookers who did sex work at the age of 25 and then came to regret 0.99
00:17:12.920 it, and now they want revenge and are claiming to be total victims, having no agency in the
00:17:18.520 whole thing, to me, that just is a replay of the Me Too era, and I don't really want
00:17:22.740 anything to do with that.
00:17:24.120 I don't really see what political motive or grand cause of justice is served by that.
00:17:29.080 What the media want, the reason they're making a big show out of this, is because they want
00:17:33.200 to try to nail Trump with the Epstein story.
00:17:35.660 And I've said from the beginning, if there were anything, if there were any smoking gun,
00:17:41.180 if Trump were seriously implicated in any way in the Epstein saga, they would have released
00:17:45.860 that years ago.
00:17:47.780 They tried to prosecute the guy.
00:17:49.220 They did prosecute the guy four times.
00:17:51.360 They justified murdering the guy.
00:17:53.120 They very nearly did murder the guy in Butler, Pennsylvania.
00:17:55.380 They raided his house.
00:17:56.700 They tried to kick him off the ballot.
00:17:58.220 I promise you, if they had something seriously incriminating, it would have come out years ago.
00:18:03.840 But they're not going to give up trying.
00:18:05.500 NBC News interviewed some of the group of the alleged Epstein victims.
00:18:10.120 And they just came right out and asked the question.
00:18:13.840 They just they said, OK, here's our purpose.
00:18:15.640 We're going to take our mask off.
00:18:17.680 Did any of you ever see Trump do anything inappropriate?
00:18:20.620 Please say so on camera.
00:18:23.120 I do have to ask, and I know and it's just something that I think we're compelled to at
00:18:27.780 this moment with the attention on President Trump, with these questions around a pardon.
00:18:31.420 Did anybody see or hear of the president himself doing anything inappropriate as it related
00:18:36.120 to Jeffrey Epstein?
00:18:37.260 No.
00:18:38.340 No.
00:18:38.720 Or former President Clinton?
00:18:39.960 No.
00:18:40.940 OK, so there you have it at the beginning.
00:18:43.300 So, OK, I've been trying to beat around the bush and none of you were taking the bait.
00:18:47.100 So it's one of those women wearing a Rolex watch. 0.99
00:18:49.420 That's interesting.
00:18:50.100 I just noticed that just looking at the camera.
00:18:52.160 Hmm.
00:18:52.640 Interesting.
00:18:52.980 But she says, I'm going to stop beating around the bush.
00:18:57.760 Please, did did anyone see them?
00:19:00.260 Did any of you see Trump doing anything inappropriate?
00:19:02.900 Not even anything illegal, anything inappropriate, untoward, an unseemly glance, anything, anything?
00:19:12.020 They come out right away, they say no.
00:19:13.860 And then you get the follow-up for cover.
00:19:18.580 Oh, OK.
00:19:19.660 And what about Bill Clinton?
00:19:22.420 No.
00:19:23.080 OK.
00:19:23.560 So, all right.
00:19:24.100 We're trying to get Trump.
00:19:25.320 Had they said, yes, we saw Trump doing something inappropriate, there would have been no Bill
00:19:28.260 Clinton follow-up.
00:19:29.320 Since they didn't, OK, we're going to, let's at least get some defense for the Democrats here.
00:19:33.640 And this is what brings me to the politics of it all, because this whole circus came about
00:19:41.600 because of a bipartisan effort from the Republican Thomas Massey and the Democrat Ro Khanna in
00:19:47.260 Congress to release the files.
00:19:51.580 Now, I mentioned the Clinton thing, because 2005, this story comes out.
00:19:58.480 2015, it becomes a big, big national news story.
00:20:02.340 Why was it a big, big national news story in 2015 and 2016?
00:20:05.320 Because at that time, Epstein was seen to be politically damaging, particularly to Bill
00:20:11.100 Clinton, who flew on his jet many times, which at that time was being referred to as the Lolita
00:20:15.540 Express, who met with Clinton many times, lots of photographs with Clinton.
00:20:20.760 At that time, even though Epstein had been a member of Mar-a-Lago and had been friends
00:20:25.380 with Donald Trump, it was seen as being a Clinton scandal, not as the Democrats and Trump's
00:20:31.940 enemies in the Republican Party are trying to make it right now, a Republican scandal.
00:20:37.420 Massey, however, is teaming up with Ro Khanna to make the president release the files, or
00:20:44.740 make the DOJ release the files, or make the courts release the files, or whatever.
00:20:48.180 And in principle, there's nothing wrong with that.
00:20:51.220 But I got to think about that timeline a little bit.
00:20:54.380 And I got to look at the optics.
00:20:55.520 And I have to look, having known a lot of politicians, having spent a lot of time around
00:20:59.460 Congress, I have to ask if there might be a more immediate political consequence, a more
00:21:05.840 immediate political reason for this kind of stuff, beyond just the principle of justice
00:21:10.040 for the victims of this crime that came to light 20 years ago.
00:21:13.220 Because I don't want to sound cynical, but in my experience, members of Congress, elected
00:21:19.160 politicians generally, are usually motivated by more immediate political concerns over abstract
00:21:28.700 principles of justice.
00:21:30.420 Just my observation, okay?
00:21:33.260 Thomas Massey is standing here in front of all sorts of signs.
00:21:39.400 These are people who were picked to stand behind Massey at this press conference.
00:21:43.760 They're not just in the crowd.
00:21:45.240 They're meant to be on camera.
00:21:47.040 And what do you see?
00:21:50.160 You see one sign that says, neuter the grand old pedophile, GOP.
00:21:56.140 So that's an anti-Republican.
00:21:57.780 Never mind that Bill Clinton was heavily implicated in the Epstein story.
00:22:02.940 Never mind that Bill Gates, big Democrat donor and supporter, was implicated in the Epstein
00:22:08.060 story.
00:22:08.440 Never mind that all these libs, all these democs, the grand old pedophile, then unlock 0.85
00:22:14.320 the Epstein files.
00:22:15.060 It's a picture of Trump and Epstein, not Clinton and Epstein, not the rest.
00:22:18.280 Another one, the same sign, clearly printed by the same people.
00:22:21.420 He is on the list.
00:22:22.360 Who's he referred to?
00:22:23.060 Probably refers to Trump.
00:22:24.200 Then the other sign is another Trump.
00:22:25.660 So far, all the signs are about Trump.
00:22:26.920 This is a scandal that much more heavily implicates Democrats than Republicans.
00:22:35.540 And yet, all the signs that Thomas Massey, the supposed Republican, standing in front of,
00:22:40.860 it's all anti-Republican.
00:22:43.580 Pedophile POTUS.
00:22:44.880 Oh my goodness.
00:22:45.760 Grand pedophile.
00:22:46.520 Another grand old pedophile.
00:22:47.780 It's all.
00:22:49.500 The signs are all either neutral or anti-Republican.
00:22:52.340 And this is what the Republican congressman is choosing to stand in front of?
00:22:57.880 What's that about?
00:22:59.780 It gets crazier.
00:23:02.500 The most obnoxious, left-wing, attention-grabbing member of Congress, Jasmine Crockett, is now 1.00
00:23:10.000 going on MSNBC, the liberal cable channel, to talk about her strange new respect for Thomas
00:23:17.560 Massey.
00:23:18.760 Now, we'll get to that in one second.
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00:24:45.320 Thomas Massey, who is supposed to be the most right-wing member of Congress, he's really very
00:24:49.140 libertarian, which is, and sometimes we conflate libertarianism with conservatism.
00:24:52.840 That's a tale that's been going on for about 70 years now, but he is, he's got really strong,
00:24:58.620 at least libertarian bona fides, maybe not traditional conservatives, though he's got
00:25:02.560 some of that too.
00:25:03.320 I mean, he's supposed to be, by multiple surveys, the most right-wing member of Congress.
00:25:07.640 So then why is the left-wing, obnoxious darling du jour, Jasmine Crockett, going on MSNBC of 1.00
00:25:14.180 all places to talk about how much he loves Thomas Massey?
00:25:17.240 I will have to tell you that I respect Thomas Massey.
00:25:22.060 Clearly, we don't agree on a lot, but where we can find agreement, we do.
00:25:26.560 And the reason that I respect him is because he always shows you who he is.
00:25:30.520 He is what I would consider to be a traditional conservative.
00:25:33.500 He believes in transparency.
00:25:35.220 He doesn't believe in whatever Trump tells him to believe.
00:25:38.080 He believes in things like physical conservatism.
00:25:40.740 Oh my goodness, here we go.
00:25:42.860 This is it.
00:25:43.440 I fear, look, I don't have anything personally against Massey.
00:25:46.280 I don't like some of his recent activities, but I have respect for the guy.
00:25:50.780 First of all, he's not a traditional conservative.
00:25:52.780 He's a libertarian, and that's different.
00:25:54.420 And you would always hear this.
00:25:56.320 Well, this is my fear for Thomas Massey.
00:25:58.360 I think he's currently on a David French, Justin Amash arc.
00:26:02.720 For those of you who haven't followed conservative politics all that closely,
00:26:06.480 these are the guys who, they started out being regular card-carrying members of the American
00:26:11.540 right, and then they don't like Trump.
00:26:14.700 Trump, usually based on libertarian or libertarian-ish principles.
00:26:21.040 At least that's what they tout.
00:26:22.880 And then they start to cozy up to the left.
00:26:26.680 And they start to make alliances with left-wing publications in the cases of the journalists
00:26:30.220 or Democrat politicians in the case of people like Massey with Ro Khanna and apparently Jasmine
00:26:35.080 Crockett.
00:26:35.540 And then they start to become the Democrats' favorite Republican.
00:26:39.420 They say, I really respect him.
00:26:41.640 You know, David French and I might not agree on a lot, but I really, he's a true conservative.
00:26:46.740 He's a true principled conservative.
00:26:49.420 And the principles that the Democrats always love are that they're the kind of Republicans
00:26:54.300 who, when push comes to shove, will help the Democrats.
00:26:57.240 That's what, that's always the principle.
00:26:59.020 The principle is rolling over, not supporting your own team and going over and supporting
00:27:03.720 the other team.
00:27:04.400 And practically speaking, that's what Massey is doing. 1.00
00:27:07.180 That's what David French was doing starting 10 years ago.
00:27:09.480 Now he, it's a farce to call him a Republican or conservative in any way.
00:27:13.920 Same thing with Justin Amash, was a libertarian in the House, really didn't like Trump, became
00:27:19.300 the Democrats' favorite Republican.
00:27:21.440 I fear it's going to happen to Massey.
00:27:23.120 And I hope it doesn't.
00:27:24.180 I hope it doesn't because, you know, Massey could be a strong player. 0.99
00:27:26.840 He could be a real, a real tough guy, a real asset to our side.
00:27:30.200 But when you're saying one thing, you know, when you speak in these high-minded abstract
00:27:36.280 principles, but the practical effects of your political action always redound to the benefit
00:27:42.600 of your supposed opponents, I have to question whether or not you're the most principled member
00:27:48.660 of our side.
00:27:49.960 I have to question.
00:27:50.980 When, I judge the pudding by the tasting of the pudding, okay?
00:27:55.460 And right now, Jasmine Crockett and Ro Khanna and all the Democrats, they really like the
00:28:00.760 way the pudding tastes, the Massey pudding.
00:28:02.840 And I don't, I don't know.
00:28:05.020 Because you look at the story, 2005.
00:28:07.340 It breaks 2015.
00:28:09.600 It becomes a national news story.
00:28:12.620 Thomas Massey doesn't say anything, really, at all about it.
00:28:15.280 Then, I misspoke last night on Twitter because advanced Twitter search malfunctioned on me.
00:28:20.860 Advanced Twitter search said that Massey had literally never even once mentioned Epstein
00:28:25.280 on the platform before this year.
00:28:27.880 And that's not true.
00:28:28.600 There were a handful, less than a handful of stray comments about Epstein in very recent
00:28:34.440 years.
00:28:34.800 But it really started this year.
00:28:39.020 As far as I can tell, though, it's, you know, 2005, it breaks.
00:28:41.920 2015, it becomes a national news story.
00:28:44.180 In March of this year, Trump threatens to primary Thomas Massey over a spending bill,
00:28:50.900 totally divorced from Epstein.
00:28:51.920 And then four months later in July, Massey discovers Epstein.
00:28:57.580 And whatever stray comments he had made offhandedly in the past, he decides to start just pummeling
00:29:02.780 the Epstein story, making it his personal crusade.
00:29:06.520 Seems to me this might be a little bit more about a political grudge than any principled stance
00:29:12.800 on a scandal that broke 20 years ago.
00:29:16.200 So even you want to be generous, hit the big news 10 years ago, and you basically said
00:29:23.120 nothing about it until Trump threatened to primary you.
00:29:27.300 I don't know.
00:29:27.960 I don't buy it, man.
00:29:29.020 I don't buy it.
00:29:29.880 So I hope we get back to, I hope we get all get back on the team.
00:29:35.340 Look, I want more of the Epstein story.
00:29:36.960 You know, I've covered the Epstein story a ton, much more than Thomas Massey has.
00:29:40.280 So I'd like to know much more of the story.
00:29:43.120 But let's not be siding with Democrats.
00:29:45.500 Let's not become Jasmine Crockett's favorite Republican.
00:29:47.860 Okay, please.
00:29:49.220 Now, speaking of matters of the heart, alliances, Cory Booker is getting married.
00:29:56.520 You know, Cory Booker, Democrat, Senator Spartacus, he's run for president.
00:30:01.960 He's the greatest hero who's ever walked the earth, at least in his own mind.
00:30:07.120 But Cory Booker is, I think, 56 or something.
00:30:11.580 And he's now just getting married for the first time.
00:30:15.500 And there are, people have always, they've always wondered a little bit.
00:30:19.440 He dated, when he ran for president last time, he was dating Rosario Dawson, who I think is a lesbian or some, half a lesbian.
00:30:25.840 She, and no one, he only started dating her when he started running for president.
00:30:30.160 And previously, he had not really had any public girlfriends or none of note.
00:30:35.040 And anyway, people have always wondered why Cory Booker didn't get married, why he appeared to be a confirmed bachelor.
00:30:42.200 And now, he's getting married in his mid to late 50s to a woman who I think is in her mid 40s to late 40s.
00:30:50.860 And people are, well, they're coming to one conclusion, at least.
00:30:55.060 Cory Booker is obviously running for president in 2028.
00:30:58.640 No question, take it to the bank, he's running for president.
00:31:01.300 This is the clearest sign that there could be that he's running for president.
00:31:04.220 He released a series of photographs that looked like they were generated on AI of him wearing a lei, or she's wearing a lei, and they're at the beach or at the park.
00:31:13.860 But anyway, they're really going a long way to demonstrate how happy they are to be getting engaged.
00:31:21.020 His mouth is really, really wide open in all the pictures.
00:31:24.380 He's an odd guy.
00:31:25.660 He's an exceedingly strange guy.
00:31:27.760 However, do you know my take on this?
00:31:31.160 Everyone's making fun of Cory Booker.
00:31:32.580 Do you know my take on this?
00:31:35.480 Good for him.
00:31:37.380 Good for him.
00:31:38.160 I mean, good for Cory.
00:31:39.020 I don't know the motives of why he's getting married.
00:31:41.820 It is a little strange to wait that long to get married for the first time, but we live in a strange culture.
00:31:46.460 And I'm not going to speculate publicly on why he waited to get married.
00:31:51.000 And whatever the reason, it's good to get married.
00:31:55.600 It's good.
00:31:57.240 Okay?
00:31:57.660 When people speculate and say, well, maybe he's not the marrying type or whatever, I think, okay.
00:32:01.080 Look, if I had abnormal desires and orientations and identities, as so many seem to these days, I guess what I would do being Catholic is I would be celibate, I guess.
00:32:16.700 And that would be like a good thing to do.
00:32:19.160 But I don't know.
00:32:19.880 People have all sorts of weird reasons for doing what they do.
00:32:23.240 And better late than never, if Cory Booker wants to get married, even if it is just cynical to run for president, I don't know.
00:32:29.220 Marriage is good.
00:32:30.000 I think marriage is in itself a good thing.
00:32:31.780 And I'm not a big lib who says that every action you take has to be based on the purity of your emotional state.
00:32:39.020 It's a very modern, emotivist, liberal notion.
00:32:42.640 I think, yeah, getting married is good.
00:32:44.700 Anyway, for whatever reason Cory Booker's doing it for now, good on him.
00:32:50.800 Congratulations.
00:32:51.620 We don't need to, people always, especially the left or even the right, they always love to speculate about, you know, the interior state and the desires.
00:32:59.540 I don't know.
00:32:59.860 He's doing a good thing.
00:33:01.140 It's good.
00:33:01.460 Congratulations.
00:33:02.640 Congratulations, Cory Booker.
00:33:05.280 I don't care how odd your engagement photos look.
00:33:08.340 I don't care.
00:33:09.120 I don't care that you think you're Spartacus.
00:33:11.180 That's a nice thing.
00:33:12.240 Marriage is good and to be celebrated.
00:33:13.500 Okay, now turning to more important international affairs.
00:33:19.980 President Trump might revoke Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship. 0.90
00:33:24.160 President Trump tweets out or posts on Truth Social.
00:33:27.220 He says, as previously mentioned, we are giving serious thought to taking away Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship.
00:33:32.540 She is not a great American and, in my opinion, is incapable of being so. 0.98
00:33:38.120 And then, this was just his personal Truth Social account.
00:33:42.040 Then, the White House, the official White House Twitter account, posts that comment along with Rosie O'Donnell.
00:33:49.660 And then, her face looking really wide, kind of like the JD meme face, you know, just a big, flat, wide.
00:33:59.260 I love it so much.
00:34:01.080 I love the whole thing.
00:34:02.540 I suspect they will not, in fact, revoke Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship.
00:34:09.920 I even kind of get a kick out of Rosie O'Donnell.
00:34:12.380 I think, but this, we want to talk about feuds that go back 20 years, big fights.
00:34:18.720 The Trump-Rosie fight has been one of the funniest WWE-style reality TV sagas, dramas, soap operas of the past quarter century.
00:34:30.320 And this is really funny.
00:34:32.880 This is really funny that the White House is trolling this random left-wing celebrity who has been giving and taking, and actually started this fight 20 years ago.
00:34:44.040 It's funny.
00:34:44.760 You can have fun.
00:34:45.600 It's okay to have fun in politics.
00:34:47.440 It's okay.
00:34:48.060 You're going to be so many libs. 0.78
00:34:49.100 You can't.
00:34:50.120 You can't say that.
00:34:51.620 And then there are going to be all these, like, boring squishes, these tedious people who say, well, actually, you know, look, I'm a principled Republican, and this is not, this is an abusive problem.
00:35:01.640 Shut up. 0.95
00:35:02.220 It's funny.
00:35:02.820 So, so funny.
00:35:05.200 So, just enjoy it.
00:35:07.040 Enjoy.
00:35:07.420 You know, guys, someday we're going to be dead, okay?
00:35:09.700 And you won't get to have fun anymore.
00:35:11.300 Well, I hope we'll have fun.
00:35:12.240 I hope we'll be in front of the Bantific Vision.
00:35:13.460 But you won't get to have, like, this kind of frivolous little earthly.
00:35:16.020 It's okay.
00:35:16.620 Have a laugh.
00:35:18.260 Eat, drink, and be merry.
00:35:20.200 Vanity, vanity. 1.00
00:35:20.920 All is vanity in this self-serious political world.
00:35:25.580 Now, speaking of media, Barry Weiss is about to take over CBS News.
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00:36:10.380 My favorite comment yesterday from Para014, the 11 exclamation marks was a total boss move.
00:36:19.020 Oh, yeah, yesterday, you know, Trump, when he blew up that Venezuelan drug boat, and then he had 11 exclamation points after, you know, thank you for your attention to this matter or something like that.
00:36:27.820 There's one exclamation per kill.
00:36:30.580 The exclamation points are like fighter pilot kill marks.
00:36:33.320 That hadn't occurred to me.
00:36:34.300 Now that you say it, it must have been intentional.
00:36:38.860 Because even for Trump, he'll use one or two or three exclamation points frequently.
00:36:43.900 11 was weird.
00:36:46.020 And even with Trump, a lot of the messaging that comes out is meticulous.
00:36:52.500 You know, he is still the president.
00:36:53.700 It is still the White House, and things are done very intentionally.
00:36:56.640 That must have been what it was.
00:36:58.440 11 exclamation points, one for each kill among the narco-terrorists.
00:37:04.780 Yeah, that's right.
00:37:05.940 Hope they pay attention to that matter if they don't want to get exploded from a drone.
00:37:12.580 Barry Weiss.
00:37:13.680 Do you know Barry Weiss?
00:37:14.660 Barry Weiss was an editor at the New York Times.
00:37:17.720 She was the opinion page editor.
00:37:19.720 She then launched the Free Press, and she has become a darling of the right.
00:37:26.180 But she's not on the right.
00:37:27.560 She's, I think this is rather public.
00:37:31.560 I think she's a lesbian. 1.00
00:37:33.000 She's kind of libertarian-ish.
00:37:36.120 She ain't a bowtie wearing trad, that's for sure. 1.00
00:37:39.360 And she launched this site. 0.68
00:37:40.660 It's very popular.
00:37:41.440 I've been on the platform.
00:37:42.780 It's cool.
00:37:44.020 Certain writers at that platform, I just absolutely adore.
00:37:47.100 Actually, some of my favorite writers today work for the Free Press.
00:37:50.780 She's done a really good job, Barry Weiss.
00:37:52.900 She's not a conservative, but she's done a really good job.
00:37:54.840 Well, Paramount is reportedly about to buy her company for $200 million.
00:38:00.220 They're going to buy her blog and podcasting company for $200 million.
00:38:03.900 And Paramount, which owns CBS, is going to give her a senior editorial role at CBS News.
00:38:08.280 This woman might effectively be running CBS News. 0.99
00:38:14.980 And this is really great.
00:38:17.220 Not because what you're going to hear is, oh, this is cool, because Barry Weiss is a conservative.
00:38:21.160 And wow, she's not a conservative.
00:38:23.000 Don't be, let's be realistic here, folks.
00:38:26.100 It's the theme of this show, is being realistic.
00:38:28.620 I'm not like both extremes of every issue.
00:38:31.320 Let's go from Epstein all the way down to this one.
00:38:34.720 This is a sign of the times.
00:38:38.280 Barry Weiss is not conservative, but she does represent a shift rightward.
00:38:43.600 Barry Weiss is a good barometer.
00:38:44.880 We can call it a barometer, I guess we can call her, because she is acceptable among the elite in media, in politics, even intellectually. 1.00
00:38:59.440 She started a university, that University of Austin, for free speech.
00:39:03.280 You know, it wasn't a conservative university.
00:39:04.700 It was based on classical liberal principles.
00:39:06.660 So, she's a good barometer in that five years ago, ten years ago, there were the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks. 0.55
00:39:14.280 That was the range of acceptable discourse.
00:39:16.420 And now, the range of acceptable discourse goes from the Bolsheviks to the conservatives.
00:39:22.000 And so, as that's broadened out, that means the center has shifted, center has shifted rightward, such that a classical liberal, you know, a libertarian, a non-woke liberal is really what Barry Weiss is.
00:39:36.400 A non-woke liberal is the new establishment center.
00:39:40.480 Paramount is not going to buy the Daily Wire, okay?
00:39:42.540 It's not going to happen.
00:39:43.320 Maybe it'd be cool if they did.
00:39:45.720 And certain voices are more centrist at DW than others.
00:39:49.400 You know, some of us want to return to the year 1220, but Paramount's not going to buy the Daily Wire.
00:39:55.440 We're too right-wing.
00:39:56.400 We're too conservative.
00:39:57.900 I think we're pretty normie.
00:39:59.160 I think the Daily Wire represents the actual center-right of the American people.
00:40:05.680 But the elite establishment political spectrum is much further to the left than where the people are.
00:40:12.320 That's obvious enough from the election because Trump won the popular vote.
00:40:15.180 So, Barry Weiss is a barometer of where the elite are, where the establishment is.
00:40:22.460 She's the new establishment center, which is great.
00:40:26.640 That is a major shift rightward.
00:40:28.560 We need to keep pushing.
00:40:30.220 I want to move the establishment center further to the right.
00:40:34.560 But that's a good start.
00:40:35.620 Now, speaking of elite, centrist, establishment, signs of the times, Malcolm Gladwell.
00:40:42.600 Do you know Malcolm Gladwell?
00:40:44.380 Very popular writer.
00:40:46.240 He is distressingly, annoyingly centrist in his politics.
00:40:49.600 He is one of these beloved pop writers of the upper middle class, bourgeois.
00:40:56.440 What are those books?
00:40:57.660 Blink, Outliers. 1.00
00:40:59.360 They're just the kind of books you read.
00:41:00.880 They're on your coffee table.
00:41:01.940 Oh, yeah.
00:41:02.840 And that's been true for 20 years.
00:41:04.400 Malcolm Gladwell, just like Barry Weiss, another barometer of where the elite acceptable opinion is moving.
00:41:13.800 He just came out and opposed dudes in women's sports. 0.99
00:41:18.580 He opposed the transgender movement, at least in sports.
00:41:21.140 If we did a replay of that exact panel at the Sloan Conference this coming March, it runs in exactly the opposite direction.
00:41:32.620 And it would be, I suspect, near unanimity in the room that trans athletes have no place in the female category.
00:41:44.580 I don't think there's any question.
00:41:46.860 I just think it was a strange, I mean, I felt, I mean, I was, the reason I'm ashamed of my performance at that panel, because I share your position 100 percent.
00:41:57.840 And I was cowed.
00:42:00.560 The idea of saying anything on this issue, I was, you know, I believe in retrospect in a dishonest way.
00:42:08.660 I was, I was objective in a dishonest way.
00:42:11.660 Okay, hey, at least he gets credit for taking the mea culpa.
00:42:15.860 He says, I regret what I said.
00:42:17.720 I came out in support of trans sports, of men in the women's sports category.
00:42:22.660 And I did it because I was a coward.
00:42:25.600 And I was cowed by them, by the bullies in the elite institutions into endorsing this.
00:42:32.000 And it was wrong, and it was stupid, and I shouldn't have done it.
00:42:34.020 Love that.
00:42:36.120 Love that.
00:42:36.660 Again, I suspect I am much to the right of Malcolm Gladwell.
00:42:40.180 I don't really consider him a, he's kind of conservative.
00:42:42.760 He's kind, he's kind, he's a centrist.
00:42:45.540 Very wise.
00:42:46.520 She's not a, she's not a conservative.
00:42:48.140 She's not, I like her, you know, she's, it's great.
00:42:50.660 But I really like what they are representing now.
00:42:56.580 The fact, some of us during that trans madness were not cowed by those four. 1.00
00:43:00.940 Some of us actually publicly called for transgenderism to be eradicated from public life entirely.
00:43:06.460 And we were attacked by the elite institutions, slandered by them, defamed by them.
00:43:12.060 But the people were on our side.
00:43:13.680 And it showed that there was a huge chasm between where the center of elite discourse was
00:43:17.960 and where the center of actual public discourse was.
00:43:20.840 And now the elite have moved closer to where the people are.
00:43:25.420 It's still not identical.
00:43:26.800 I don't think Barry Weiss and Malcolm Gladwell represent your median American voter.
00:43:33.360 But it's a lot closer.
00:43:36.440 No one, no one supports the trans issue anymore.
00:43:40.920 At least when it comes to sports, Democrats got wrecked on that.
00:43:44.400 They're ditching it.
00:43:45.160 They're running away from it.
00:43:47.340 You know, it's sorry to say, and Malcolm Gladwell is kind of open about this, it seems.
00:43:51.020 But if the cultural winds moved yet again and transgenderism were hot again, probably all 1.00
00:43:57.940 of these people would be endorsing it.
00:43:59.860 If woke got hot again.
00:44:01.740 But that is now the center of our political order is non-woke liberalism.
00:44:07.380 Now, I'm not woke, and I'm also not a liberal.
00:44:09.920 So we got to keep moving further.
00:44:13.200 Liberalism, I think, leads inexorably to wokeism and to other perversions.
00:44:18.060 But that's a start.
00:44:20.620 That's where we're at right now.
00:44:21.960 And it's also how I judge Trump in how he's doing in his administration.
00:44:26.580 Because the country hasn't moved all the way back over.
00:44:29.340 Even the elite, certainly not the elite discourse, hasn't moved all the way back.
00:44:32.500 But if our center is non-woke liberalism, and Trump is actively moving things to the right
00:44:39.440 with the mass deportations and self-deportations by blowing up Venezuelan drug runners,
00:44:44.540 by resetting American foreign policy, if he's doing that, good on him, man.
00:44:49.000 Now, one other sign of the times, I'll just mention, we don't really have too much time
00:44:54.140 to get into it, but it's a sign of perhaps trouble ahead.
00:44:58.180 Gold hit $3,500.
00:45:01.280 Gold hit $3,500 per ounce.
00:45:03.900 To put that into perspective, gold, how long ago, not that long ago, gold was under $1,000.
00:45:10.940 And I remember gold hit $1,500, everyone started freaking out.
00:45:14.440 Then gold hit $2,000, everyone starts selling their gold.
00:45:17.340 And you know me, I'm a little bit of a gold bug.
00:45:20.120 I'm a big fan of our sponsor, Birch Gold.
00:45:24.260 And I said, but whatever, I'm just holding my gold.
00:45:26.960 Then it goes up to $2,500.
00:45:28.420 Then it goes up to $3,000.
00:45:29.480 Now it's hit an all-time high of $3,500, which is very good news for conservative podcast audiences.
00:45:37.080 I suspect conservative podcast audiences are celebrating.
00:45:40.580 We look like rich Uncle Pennybags from the Monopoly game right now.
00:45:43.780 But that also could be a sign of major economic turmoil to come.
00:45:49.360 We'll get to that tomorrow.
00:45:50.260 We don't have time right now.
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