Ep. 1809 - Train Stabbing Of 23-Year-Old Ukrainian Woman Explained
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A woman was stabbed to death on a commuter train in Charlotte, North Carolina, and no one is any longer surprised by the circumstances surrounding it, including the response of the mayor, who of course leapt into action to demand compassion for the stabber.
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A 34-year-old lunatic vagrant with a rap sheet a mile long stabbed a 23-year-old Ukrainian girl
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to death on a commuter train in Charlotte, North Carolina. Unfortunately, no one is any longer
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surprised by the incident or the circumstances surrounding it, because it's all so predictable,
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including the response of the mayor, who of course leapt into action to demand compassion
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for the Stabbers. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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You probably saw this story going viral over the weekend. 23-year-old girl, Ukrainian refugee,
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Irina Zarutska, was just riding a commuter rail in Charlotte, North Carolina. This isn't downtown
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Chicago. This isn't Detroit. This isn't Oakland. This is Charlotte. Charlotte's a perfectly nice place,
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isn't it supposed to be? She's just riding the commuter rail, minding her own business.
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Then a 34-year-old guy, DeCarlos something or other, walks up, sits behind her, then out of the
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blue, well, we have the footage. So she's sitting there scrolling. He just gets up. We're going to
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cut it, obviously, before we're not actually going to show her being murdered. He just gets up out of
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nowhere, just stabs her in the neck. Then he walks around the train, dripping blood everywhere. And the
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other riders on the train, they clearly don't even know what's going on. I don't even think this was
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an example of cowardice. I think this is just they didn't know what was going on until they start to
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see the blood trailing behind him. Really, really horrifying. So we should pray for the woman and
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her family. And we should pray for our political order that we start to act in a normal and sane way
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again. We start to, I'm not even going to say recognize patterns of crime that everyone recognizes
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them, that we start to do something about it again, the way that we used to. Here's a pattern.
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When a guy is arrested, what is that, 14 times? Is that 14 times I'm seeing?
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For what? For robbery and larceny, with robbery with a dangerous weapon, for communicating threats.
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This is all court records, according to the New York Post. And on and on and on, going back to 2011,
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when a guy is just constantly a menace to society for 14 years, maybe you keep him out of society.
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That's what we used to do. We used to just execute criminals. After a while, we just kind of got sick
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of dealing with them and we would execute them. Then we more or less abolished capital punishment.
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We greatly reduced it. And we turned this to life sentences for serious crimes or for series of crimes.
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And then we let people out early. And now you have at least one major political party calling to
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abolish the police and empty the prisons and calling for compassion for the stabbers. This
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was, this is what Mayor V. Lyles had to say. Mayor of Charlotte. She said, look, the transit system in
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Charlotte is, quote, by and large safe. It's, but hey, listen, the silver lining here is most people
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don't get stabbed by random criminals on the, most people don't. I mean, look, you're taking a little
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bit of a risk, but most people don't. And then she says this, we will never arrest our way out of
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issues such as homelessness and mental health. Mental health disease is just that, a disease like
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any other that needs to be treated with the same compassion, diligence, and commitment as cancer or
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heart disease. Good freaking grief, lady. We will never arrest our way out of issues such as
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homelessness and mental health. Said contra, yes, you will. Yes, you will. That's how you work your way
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out of that issue. When you have a bunch of crazy criminals stabbing people on the street,
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the way that you stop that problem is you take them all and you put them in a box and then they
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don't stab you anymore because they're in a box. They're locked up. They can't do it. They don't
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have access to knives. At most, they're going to make a little prison shiv out of a piece of plastic
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and stab each other, which is bad enough, but they won't be stabbing us. That's, that's how you fix
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the problem. You're never going to arrest your way out of crime. What's your solution? Because that,
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as far as politicians go, that's the only way to fix crime. Families have other resources. They can
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raise their kids right. They can model good marriages. They can educate their kids. Pastors
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and priests can, can inculcate a moral education and encourage, uh, availing oneself of the sacraments
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and point one toward heaven. And that, that, those are resources available to priests and pastors.
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Psychologists can, can go through behavioral therapy and maybe even prescribe medicines.
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But in terms of politicians, that's what this mayor is. She's a politician.
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In terms of politicians, the only thing they can do to try to ameliorate crime is to arrest people.
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That's the resource available to them. That's their competency. But these people are incompetent.
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They refuse to do their job. And they say, well, there's nothing we can do. Okay. So that,
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so her answer is a more young Ukrainian girls bad to get stabbed by the DeCarlis's of the world.
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That's her answer. Because you see, mental health disease is just that. A disease like any other,
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like cancer or heart disease. Okay. So there are mental illnesses and diseases and,
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but I don't think it's just that, you know, I don't think it's exactly like cancer or heart disease.
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This, this reminds me, the whole thing is a Norm Macdonald bit. The whole thing,
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it's funny because I was talking about Norm last week when I was on Tucker's show.
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And this is a Norm Macdonald bit. You know, my greatest fear says Norm is that a jihadi will
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blow up a dirty bomb killing tens of millions of people because then the blowback against peaceful
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Muslims would be just terrible. That's what she's saying. Oh, the worst part of this stabbing
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is, is how, how much prejudice this is going to bring upon the stabbers.
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There was another Norm bit where he said, you know, my uncle, he's got, he's got alcoholism,
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which is a disease. And it's like, oh, yeah, it's a disease. I grant it's a disease.
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But if you're going to have a disease, I think that's the best one.
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Because unlike cancer or heart disease that, that cause you to go through all these horrible
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therapies and debilitate you and cause you to, uh, the disease of alcoholism causes you to be happy
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and have sex with people, you know, not to minimize it, but it's not, it's not just a disease. Okay.
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When a vagrant criminal on the street goes about stabbing people.
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Yes, he might have some preexisting medical issues. He's also probably engaged in a fair
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amount of vice over his life. He's probably also been pretty irresponsible. He's probably
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developed habits through the use of his even weakened free will that have made the condition worse.
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Generally, he's not totally guiltless and our society is not guiltless. The mayor and the DAs
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and the judges who won't lock these people up, they have blood on their hands. Simple as simple as
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that. Your one, your one job is to establish order and protect people's rights. That's a politician's
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job. Politician's job. They want to do, everyone wants to do someone else's job. You ever notice that
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everyone, no matter what your job is, you always want to do something else. This is true. You know,
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the, the actor always wants to be a musician. The accountant always wants to be a movie star.
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And these politicians, I don't know what they want to be. These politicians want to be self-help gurus.
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These politicians want to be pastors. These politicians want, no, you're a politician. Your job
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is to arrest the bad guys and enforce the freaking law, but you won't do it. You won't do it because that
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involves moral clarity. It involves some courage. It involves taking responsibility. They're not
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going to do any of that. So prepare for more stabbings in Charlotte. Sorry to say. This is
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the same energy. This, this kind of, uh, won't somebody please think about the stabbers. This
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is the same energy you're seeing in the liberal pushback to president Trump's attack last week
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on the Venezuelan foreign terrorist organization, Trende Aragwa drug boat. Remember that there was a boat
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coming over from an officially designated foreign terrorist organization carrying fentanyl,
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fentanyl, which kills 75,000 Americans a year. Trump uses the military to blow up the boat.
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So the vice president, J.D. Vance, aptly posts on Twitter. He says,
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killing cartel members who poison our fellow citizens is the highest and best use of our
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military. Yup, totally true, spot on. Brian Krasenstein, a liberal account, responds,
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killing the citizens of another nation who are civilians without any due process is called a war crime.
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None of that is true, but whatever. But the vice president doesn't even, he doesn't even say
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that's not true. And here's why he just, his response actually, I think has stronger energy
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to it. He says, I don't give an S-H-I-T what you call it. And you know, I don't like going blue.
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I don't like in public life. I don't like going blue. I don't like using naughty language. This is a
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family show. So I, you know, I wouldn't say it in those exact words, but that sentiment
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is 100% exactly right. This is the way to respond to the libs. We have power. We Republicans have
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power. Republicans haven't had power at other times in my life. What is different about this
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moment is Republicans are actually wielding the power. We're not afraid based on some stupid
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ideology and misbegotten conception of principles or whatever. We're not afraid to wield the power
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in a proper way, the power that the people have given us. And when the libs throw up all of these
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ridiculous arguments against it, actually, you're not allowed to kill terrorists who are trying to
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poison you. Actually, actually, you know, that's a war crime. What do you know it is? And what are you
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talking about? The proper response, the temptation for Republicans is going to be saying, no, actually,
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here's why, according to international law and according to US code, section 18 verse, this is
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actually why it's not technically that, but I think JD's got the stronger energy here. He goes,
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I don't give an SHIT what you call it. We're doing it. Cry more over the trend day Aragwa
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Fent runners. You know, I'm on the side of the Fent victims. I'm on the side of their victims. You're
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on the side of the cartel criminals. Okay. Cry about it. That's fine. Go to their funerals down in
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Mexico or whatever. That's fine. Venezuela. I'm going to be here with my constituents,
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protecting my people, doing my job, because I at least will do my job as a politician,
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even if you people won't. This is the right attitude. It's not just the left liberals,
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though, who are attacking JD for this response. This is where, you know, I love my libertarian
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friends. Some of my best friends are libertarians, but I'm not a libertarian. And this is where the
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libertarians, they start to lose me a little bit. Rand Paul, whom I like very, very much,
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but Rand Paul, he responds, he says this. JD, I don't give an SHIT Vance saying people,
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killing people he accuses of a crime is the highest and best use of the military. Did he ever read to
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kill a mockingbird? Did he ever wonder what might happen if the accused were immediately executed
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without trial or representation? What a despicable and thoughtless sentiment it is to glorify killing
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someone without a trial. That ain't it, man. When we're at war, we don't have jury trials before
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we kill the enemy. When we are executing terrorists, even if we're not in a full-on war,
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when we're conducting military operations to kill terrorists who are killing our people and who are
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trying to kill our people, we don't give them jury trials. Al-Qaeda is not entitled to a jury trial.
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Trendy Arag was not entitled to a jury trial. A uniformed combatant in a fully declared war as
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if this were the 19th century, those guys aren't entitled to jury trials either. Sometimes we just
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use force to rigorously defend our interests after having made reasoned arguments for doing so.
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After having held elections on these kinds of issues.
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People voted. The popular vote in November went to President Trump doing stuff like this,
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securing our border, stopping the mass fentanyl poisoning.
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It was right there toward the top of the list of things people voted for.
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Do you think to kill a mockingbird is going to convince people otherwise? This is something
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else. Again, I don't want to beat up too much on Rand Paul because I really like Rand Paul,
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but this is something the libs do this too. They say, you know, this is just like Harry Potter.
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Huh, we need to, you need to watch Star Wars again or something, you know? They always use these
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like really popular children's books and movies to make their moral arguments. And to kill a
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mockingbird, it's fine. It's like a fine book to read in sixth grade.
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It ain't war and peace. You know, it's not Anna Karenina. It's not Ipromessi Sposi. It's a,
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it's a fine little book to read in sixth grade, I guess. It's okay. It's, it's not the arbiter of
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morality or statecraft. I don't, what is, is, I don't, Rand Paul is an intelligent guy. I don't think
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he's arguing that we need to put cartel members who smuggle fentanyl into the United States to kill
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a hundred thousand Americans per year, 75 to a hundred thousand Americans per year, that we need
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to give them all jury trials in Venezuela. He's not really arguing that. So that line doesn't make any
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sense. Glorifying killing someone without a trial. It's good to kill people without a trial.
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Sometimes, sometimes when they're trying to kill you or in the case of Trendy Aragua, when they are
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killing you by the bushel basket every year. Yeah, I think it is good to kill those people without it's,
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it's good to kill them as quickly as possible. That is, if that is not a just war, we talk a lot
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about just war in Ukraine, in Israel, Palestine. I've spoken ad nauseum about justice in going to war,
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justice in the conduct of wars. We've talked a lot about that. If stopping with lethal force,
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a officially designated foreign terrorist organization that is killing 75,000 to a hundred
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thousand of your citizens per year, if that isn't a just war, I don't know what is. I don't know what
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is. Speaking of life and death, a really dumb article that I have to share with you. You might've
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seen it. It was making the rounds. This is from futurism and it's so, people are so interested
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now in ancient civilizations and aliens and the, I don't know, megaliths. I've interviewed Timothy
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Albarino. We've had a couple of great Mike Land episodes, which you can watch at the Michael
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Knowles YouTube channel. But one of the ideas that keeps popping up is that the way the earth began,
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the way life on earth began, is some ancient aliens came here from planet Zebulon 7. And
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they're the ones who planted the seeds of life for the earth. I'm sure you've heard these theories
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before. Well, futurism has a report out. It says paper finds earth may have been terraformed by
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advanced extraterrestrials. This is the idea of the earth being founded by aliens. Okay. Robert
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Andres, who is a biologist, a systems biologist at Imperial College London. According to the article,
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he concluded that, quote, a purely random soup made up of molecules that eventually enabled the
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formation of life on earth was too lossy and that some form of prebiotic informational structure must
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precede Darwinian evolution. So this part is really interesting. What's he talking about the soup?
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You might've studied this when you were reading To Kill a Mockingbird. You might've studied this in
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sixth or seventh grade in biology class. There's this question, how did life begin?
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Now, I have an account of how life began. I think that God formed man out of the dust
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and he breathed life into him. And then he took one of his ribs and made woman because it's not fit
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for man to be alone because man's a social creature. And that's how I think life began.
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I also think that's figurative. I also, I don't think that explains literally every single detail
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of how it began, but that's my account of how life began. That's the traditional Christian account.
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Doesn't, not literal, doesn't have to be literal, but that's nevertheless, truthfully what happened.
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The modern people and the liberal people and the secular people and the atheist people,
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they can't handle that. So they say, no, no, that can't be the case.
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There can't be a creator of life. Okay. So then how was life created? Well, the only other option is
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life would have had to create itself. How do you create yourself? Well, this is where we get the
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theory of abiogenesis or spontaneous generation. The notion that you go from inanimate matter to
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animate life to, to animate just means alive. You go from inanimate, just like a, an actual clump of
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cells or just a clump of molecules even to things moving around and having life. And how does that
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happen? Uh, I don't know, but it, it did. The theory says that there was some primordial soup of
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molecules many zillions of years ago, and that they were all banging around each other. And at some
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point that, that formed a process similar to metabolism, or at some point all the molecules
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banged around and they've, that formed something similar to RNA, or at some point, uh, we don't
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quite know. It's like step a, soupy molecules, step B, big question mark, step three, us talking
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about it now while we're alive and step B, they don't quite understand. But the theory is not just
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modern. There, there is a theory, a version of the theory that goes all the way back to Aristotle
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actually goes back before Aristotle. I think of, uh, what was it? Anaximander, Anaximander.
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This would have been in the sixth century, fifth or sixth century BC, this theory of, uh, just
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spontaneous generation. So a way to understand it is, uh, this idea which existed for many centuries
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that maggots come from garbage or maggots come from decaying flesh. You have, you have flesh,
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it decays, and then maggots spring up from that. Now, what really happens is that flies land there
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and they leave their little maggoty eggs and then the maggots develop. And so, but it looks like
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they're coming out of the trash or out of, out of a decaying flesh. Okay. That Aristotle bought into
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that, that went through the middle ages. Then it kind of fell out of favor, but now it's back in
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favor because there's no other way to explain how life begins. Either there is a God, our creator who
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endows us with certain unalienable rights or life springs out of inanimate stuff. There's zero proof.
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There's zero proof that that has ever happened. That's, that's a much greater leap of faith than
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saying that there's a God who formed you out of clay and breathed into your nostrils. Or there's the
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third option, which is what the, the techno genius futurists are trying to push now. And the third
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options is it was, it was aliens. It's not, no, it can't forget about God and forget about a
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biogenesis. It was aliens. But the problem is the aliens don't answer the question. They say, well,
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no, look, life on earth couldn't, it's just, the math doesn't work out. They could not have just
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spontaneously generated. And we certainly don't believe in a God anymore. I mean, that's totally
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crazy. And so it had to be aliens. So quick follow-up question. Who made the aliens?
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You dummies. It doesn't, it obviously just pushes the question back one state. Well,
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the aliens made us. Okay. Well, who made the aliens? And then you're left with these two options,
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God, or they just kind of appeared one day. God or soup? Who made you? God or soup? It's amazing.
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There will, there will not be a definitive resolution in the minds of most people
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because we've been debating this question since Anaximander. We've been debating this question
00:24:15.860
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and that's amazing. This is really fitting providentially together. There's a story in Wired
00:26:05.260
Magazine. I encourage all of you to go read it. I think it's behind a paywall. So maybe, I don't
00:26:11.080
know, maybe go pay for Wired. I have no financial stake in that. Also, it's 2025. If you don't know
00:26:16.100
how to get around paywalls, you're not going to make it. I'll try to be brief on what the story says.
00:26:22.880
So to set the stage, do you know how much surrogacy is worth in America every year? Do you know how big
00:26:29.980
the industry is? Look, I'm in the cigar industry. I'm in the media industry. You're in whatever
00:26:34.760
industry you're in. The surrogacy industry, it's an industry, first of all. It's not just people kind
00:26:39.620
of helping each other out to make life. It's not in any charity. It's a $5 billion a year industry.
00:26:47.260
But whereas I, in my industry, I trade in cigars. I trade in ideas in my political media industry.
00:26:54.160
You trade in whatever your industry is. You trade in construction. You trade in linens. You trade in
00:26:58.400
whatever you work in. The surrogacy industry trades in babies, trades in human beings. That's the
00:27:03.700
product. It is supported by some of the biggest companies in the world. Over a dozen big tech
00:27:10.160
companies subsidize surrogacy. They tell their women who are working for them, hey, yeah, put off having
00:27:14.040
kids, put off getting married. Don't worry. We'll give you subsidies. If you freeze your eggs, which
00:27:18.000
is a very painful process, and then hire some Frankenstein doctor to make you a baby in a
00:27:22.900
laboratory, don't worry. We'll subsidize that down the line. Just keep working. Don't leave the widget
00:27:26.680
factory. It has created these new terms. We used to have these terms, mom and dad. You remember that?
00:27:32.140
Now that's out. The industry gives us the terms intended parents. Those are the people who buy the
00:27:38.460
babies at the baby store. They order the babies. And gestational carriers, which used to, those two
00:27:45.200
things used to be synonymous. It was called mom. But the gestational carriers are the people who sell
00:27:51.200
out there. They rent out their wombs in a kind of hyper-capitalist dystopia to the intended parents
00:27:58.460
who order the babies at the baby store. And as a consequence of IVF and surrogacy, practically
00:28:04.280
speaking, almost always kill most of their kids. Now, even if you're okay in principle with IVF and
00:28:10.820
surrogacy, just a reminder, this is just a little scientific data reminder that it's much more
00:28:17.040
dangerous compared to natural conception. Especially for the baby, but also for the, what do they call
00:28:24.260
her? Gestational carrier, the surrogate mother. Carrying a genetically unrelated baby more than
00:28:30.740
triples the risk of severe and potentially deadly conditions. Not just for the baby, also for the
00:28:36.940
woman renting out her womb. So anyway, here's the story. Short version of the story. This yuppie rich
00:28:44.040
couple. Woman was a bit older than the man. She was a little too old to bear kids herself, or at least
00:28:49.700
would have been a little risky. So anyway, they go to the baby store. They order twibblings. Twibblings,
00:28:53.300
not twins, because it's really risky to implant twins in the surrogate, the gestational carrier.
00:28:59.580
So they order twibblings, and they're going to go, they're going to hire one surrogate for one kid
00:29:03.100
and one for another. What's a twibbling? It's, they're kind of genetically twins, but they'll be born a
00:29:08.880
few weeks apart. They won't be born at exactly the same time because they have different surrogate
00:29:11.940
mothers. The surrogate who took on this contract was going to be given $45,000. Now, where she was
00:29:20.040
located, it was actually illegal to rent your womb out and to trade in human beings, right? So the way
00:29:25.720
they get around the law is that it was supposed to be a $45,000 reimbursement. So it's just a way,
00:29:30.840
this is the way organized crime has gotten around laws for all of history. The way that even white
00:29:36.120
collar criminals have gotten around, it's a $45,000 reimbursement. So she rented out her womb
00:29:40.220
reportedly to pay off her student loans. Okay, it's getting darker and darker. Truly, you know,
00:29:46.540
I say two cheers for capitalism, but this is a capitalist dystopia. If women are now going to
00:29:51.680
college merely to graduate saddled in debt that they're going to have to pay off for the rest of
00:29:56.740
their lives, they can't get great jobs. So they're going to have to rent out their wombs in order to
00:30:00.580
pay off the debt that they were saddled with to go to the college they didn't need. Then the surrogate
00:30:07.200
starts bleeding. I'm going to fast forward a little bit. She's got the baby implanted. She
00:30:10.720
starts early bleeding. She goes to the emergency room. This is pretty scary. If you've ever been
00:30:15.760
pregnant, you've ever had a wife who's pregnant, this is pretty scary. What happens? The intended
00:30:19.920
parent, the woman who rented her womb, sent her a DoorDash gift card. If my wife, God forbid,
00:30:26.240
started bleeding during pregnancy, I'd rush her to the hospital. I'd be there, I'd be taking care of
00:30:29.940
her along with the nurses. But in this case, these two women have really no connection other than a
00:30:34.520
contract, a commercial contract together. So the woman starts bleeding. There's some risk to the
00:30:38.780
child. There's some risk to her life. And the client sends her a DoorDash gift card. Go get
00:30:44.300
yourself a Frappuccino. During the surrogacy, during the pregnancy, the surrogate gets a new job.
00:30:51.880
The problem is the new insurance didn't cover surrogacy. The old insurance at her old job
00:30:57.400
covered surrogacy. The new one does not. So what's going to happen? They have a contract. She's supposed to
00:31:02.300
deliver this baby, but her new insurance won't cover it. In a normal situation, mom and dad,
00:31:07.800
well, dad just, mom and dad just figure out a way to take care of it. Her mom doesn't change her job
00:31:11.180
until the baby is born. Or dad gets another job. Or in this case, though, all they have is a
00:31:16.080
commercial contract. Is the woman going to terminate the pregnancy now? Well, does she have a right to
00:31:20.960
terminate the pregnancy? Well, does she have a right over her own body? This is an important line.
00:31:24.780
On December 15th, this is directly from the article, a day on which Bai, the woman who rented
00:31:32.440
the womb, sent the surrogate more than 50 texts about the insurance. Smith, the surrogate, felt
00:31:38.940
liquid between her legs. She was 26 weeks pregnant and afraid her water had broken. The emergency room
00:31:43.480
sent her home, telling her it wasn't amniotic fluid. She should have been relieved, but she soon
00:31:47.200
had another text from Bai. One of Bai's lawyers wanted Smith to sign a few forms. Smith had already
00:31:52.000
signed a power of attorney giving Bai and Val Deglasius, those are the intended parents,
00:31:57.680
the ability to make decisions for Leon, the baby inside the womb, even though these very same
00:32:02.500
liberals are telling us that babies inside the womb aren't really human beings, and they don't have
00:32:06.260
any rights, and they certainly don't deserve any names. But now, when it's convenient for them,
00:32:09.880
they say that actually they are human beings, and they do have names. And the same libs who tell us
00:32:14.780
that conservatives who want to ban infanticide are trying to claim control of women's bodies.
00:32:19.720
Now, in this case, these very same liberal type of people are claiming control over a woman's body
00:32:24.160
because they signed a contract. But hold on, I thought slavery was abolished with the 13th
00:32:27.760
Amendment, if not by the Emancipation Proclamation. Well, when it's convenient, we can own human beings,
00:32:36.320
and we can demand control over their bodies and over women's bodies, so long as there's a
00:32:40.060
commercial contract. In fact, the article asks this, were they now asking for control over her body?
00:32:45.080
Surrogacy? Now, the new insurance screws up the surrogacy, and now they're going to be on the
00:32:54.560
hook. And so the intended parents who hired the baby company to rent out the womb of the woman,
00:33:01.520
they say, all right, they're going to maybe sue the baby company, but they're going to wait for
00:33:05.940
the baby to be delivered first, and they'll be on the hook for the expenses. Will they, or will the
00:33:09.340
surrogate be on the hook for the expenses? In any case, finally, this woman goes to the hospital.
00:33:14.160
She's bleeding again, emergency C-section. Early, the baby had already died. Very sad,
00:33:19.420
we can pray for the baby. The surrogate almost died too from placental rupture. Last thing I'll
00:33:24.120
read you here. Bi contacted the baby company, claiming that the surrogate had broken the contract
00:33:31.260
by not informing her about the insurance change on time, not taking her vitamins. Did she take her
00:33:35.900
vitamins on time? We don't know. And not alerting her to the C-section. Our contract specified a
00:33:40.620
well baby that didn't die, she reminded. That's what she bought. She went to the baby store to buy
00:33:44.520
a well baby that did not die. That's what she paid for, okay? That's what she hired this slave woman
00:33:51.540
for. And the slave woman didn't gestate the baby well enough, and the baby did die. And now this
00:33:57.900
woman wants her money back. This woman wants justice. What is justice here? Bi, the mother,
00:34:04.620
the intended mother, the baby purchaser, ordered the escrow to stop paying the surrogate or reimbursing
00:34:09.620
her medical expenses. A few days later, this woman re-listed, re-listened to the recording of
00:34:15.140
the worst news of her life. She noticed a detail she'd missed. The surrogate had bled 10 days prior
00:34:19.200
to Leon's death. No one had told her. Now she's ruining the surrogate's life. Surrogate had to quit
00:34:23.420
her job, moved back in with her previous baby daddy. It just, it gets so. This, this is what happens
00:34:31.560
when you hire a carpenter to build you new kitchen cabinets. Isn't this, if you've ever owned a home and
00:34:38.280
you've hired someone to do some work on the home? This is, ah, you know, the work, it came in a
00:34:42.020
little bit shoddy. It came in over budget, came in late. And then you start arguing with the,
00:34:47.840
the carpentry company, the contracting company. And you say, hey, this isn't it. This isn't what
00:34:51.780
I paid for. I want, I want a reimbursement. I want my old cabinets back. This is what happens.
00:34:57.020
You order a custom handbag. You order a custom handbag and it comes in the wrong color or it's a
00:35:02.780
little bit damaged when it comes in. You say, well, I need my money back. I need you to make me a new
00:35:06.980
handbag. But the thing is, babies aren't handbags. Babies aren't kitchen cabinets.
00:35:18.160
Surrogate mothers, women with wombs are not general contractors. We're talking about human
00:35:25.600
beings, proper subjects with rights. That includes the surrogate who's doing a bad thing by renting out
00:35:31.840
her womb, but she's still a human being. She's still entitled to rights. She still has dignity.
00:35:35.860
And we're talking about a baby. A baby, which in the surrogacy industry, in the IVF industry,
00:35:44.700
necessarily is treated as a commodity. Is bandied back and forth, is sent to one woman and then
00:35:53.180
another, is created in a laboratory because people in a capitalist market, hiring companies and bringing
00:36:02.700
in people through voluntary exchange are establishing the domination of technology over the origin and
00:36:08.960
destiny of human life, contrary to human dignity, contrary to what is right. Can't do it.
00:36:16.240
This is surrogacy. This is IVF. It is completely morally indefensible. There is no good version of it.
00:36:25.480
It always does this. It's not always as sensationalist in how it goes wrong, but it always
00:36:33.560
does these things. It always commoditizes human people and reduces natural, beautiful family relations
00:36:38.880
to merely commercial, contractual endeavors that necessarily turn human beings into commodities to
00:36:44.680
be traded. And we can't have it. It's wrong. Slavery is wrong. That's why we abolished it.
00:36:49.960
Human smuggling is wrong. Human trafficking is wrong. Infanticide is wrong. We haven't totally
00:36:57.940
abolished that yet, but it's all wrong because human beings are proper subjects. Simple as.
00:37:05.660
Highly encourage you to go read this article. And if you're not already hip to this issue,
00:37:10.020
which is novel, and I know a lot of people have engaged in it, and people don't realize the
00:37:14.700
bioethical implications of surrogacy and IVF. I get it. I get it. Don't let the devil keep you down,
00:37:19.600
man. If you've done something wrong, or you know someone who's done something wrong,
00:37:23.720
or your daughter did something wrong, and you say, well, now I have to defend IVF. I have to
00:37:28.840
defend surrogacy because I used it myself, or my friend used it, or my—it's okay. You can just say,
00:37:34.720
I did something wrong. I'm happy for the kid that I have as a result of it, but it's wrong. I now see
00:37:38.520
the bioethical problems with it. I'm not going to let the devil trap me in a system of trying to justify
00:37:44.120
my own sin rather than just admitting, I did it wrong. I ask for forgiveness. We're not going to do it again.
00:37:49.600
That's the way out. Today is a big day at The Daily Wire. Many of you already know Isabel Brown.
00:37:53.900
Soon the entire world will. The Gen Z conservative voice America has been waiting for. The Isabel
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Brown show premieres today on Daily Wire+. That's just the start of a huge week at The Daily Wire
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because Wednesday, for the first time in months, all of us are getting back together to celebrate
00:38:08.080
a decade of The Daily Wire by debuting our new flagship show, Friendly Fire. We will be debating,
00:38:12.700
disagreeing, and discussing all the news-making headlines right now. Spoiler alert,
00:38:15.980
we all have our own opinions, and Wednesday night you will hear every single one of them collide,
00:38:20.440
and mine will be correct. The first episode is a celebration of our first decade. We'll have
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major announcements, some you've been waiting for. Some will be complete surprises. Do not miss a
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moment. Join now at dailywire.com. My favorite comment on Friday is from Truth Believer One God,
00:38:36.400
that's a strong name, who says, we should end lobbying, and that would take care of many of our
00:38:41.060
problems. It's my favorite comment, not because I agree with it, but because I don't agree with it,
00:38:44.540
and yet it's commonly held, you can't end lobbying because lobbying is a constitutional right.
00:38:51.600
Lobbying is part of your First Amendment rights, the right to redress grievances.
00:38:57.180
The right to redress grievances is the right to lobby, so you can't get rid of it.
00:39:03.120
And you don't really want to get rid of it. You do want to be able to redress grievances with your
00:39:06.480
government. You do want to be able to organize and pressure your government to do things that are in
00:39:13.140
your interest. It'd be good if there maybe were a little more transparency in lobbying. That's one
00:39:17.920
way to reform it. But you can't get rid of it. You wouldn't want to get rid of it. Okay.
00:39:22.440
Speaking of kids, the Phillies went viral over the weekend. Major League Baseball went viral. It was a
00:39:30.200
Phillies game because some guy hits, I don't know if it was a home run or a foul ball. I wasn't watching
00:39:35.960
the game. I'm not a Phillies fan. But the ball goes into the stands and some guys, well, I'll just,
00:39:47.240
Here we go. I guess it's a home run. Left field. Goes into the stands. Everyone's running for the
00:39:53.800
ball. Three or four people running for it. A young guy, a middle-aged guy gets it, grabs it,
00:39:59.320
gives it to his kid. This is sweet. And then some lunatic lady with crazy colored hair walks over,
00:40:03.700
starts screaming at the guy because she wanted the ball. And he, and he took the ball. And then he,
00:40:10.940
oh no, he points to it. He says it's in his kid's mitt. She starts yelling at the kid.
00:40:22.800
He gives the ball to this woman. He takes the ball out of his kid's mitt and gives it to this woman.
00:40:28.880
Oh man, that's bad. I don't want to beat up on this father. He's already being beat up
00:40:35.820
nationally and internationally. And you know, you never know, you don't know what you're going to
00:40:39.940
do in that situation. I like to think I wouldn't have given that lunatic woman back the ball,
00:40:43.400
but you know, you never, you never totally know what you're going to do in that situation.
00:40:49.560
Obviously, just to establish this friend, if this happens in the future, we don't need to beat up on
00:40:53.600
the father too much. I'm sure he feels bad enough about it himself. And then the Phillies later came out
00:40:57.720
and they like gave the kids a bunch of nice stuff and they had a meet and greet and probably gave
00:41:01.440
them more baseballs. So, okay, whatever. But just as a, obviously he should not have given the woman
00:41:08.180
the ball. She was a crazy woman. She needed to be put in her place. And if she was going to make a
00:41:13.220
scene, she should have been ejected from the ball game. Under no circumstances should, should we give
00:41:18.900
these crazy ladies the baseball out of our kid's mitt? Obviously. I'm sure he thinks that now,
00:41:23.300
so I'm not going to beat up on him too much, but no. She needed to be taught a lesson. And this is
00:41:30.480
something in our society we don't do anymore. I see, I see this a lot. Husbands get dog walked
00:41:37.260
around by their wives. It's, it's, I see it all over the place. I travel all over the country. I see
00:41:41.260
it all the time. Husbands get dog walked by their wives and it makes both the husband and the wife
00:41:47.820
unhappy. You don't want that situation. No woman wants to be married to a guy that she can just
00:41:53.060
drag around by the collar. And no husband wants to be nagged to death by his wife.
00:41:58.560
You need to have, you need a loving relationship in which the husband is the husband and the wife
00:42:02.840
is the wife. Now in this case, these two are not married, obviously. This one, I don't know this
00:42:06.740
woman's situation, but obviously someone needed to put her in her place. You don't get to be a
00:42:11.980
middle-aged woman and walk up to a sweet little kid at a baseball game and take the baseball out of his
00:42:16.460
mint. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you insane? Are you going to take a lollipop from a
00:42:21.120
little baby too? This woman is cartoonishly villainous in this instance, and she should
00:42:25.980
apologize and she should send the ball back to the kid. I'm sure she could do it. I'm sure she
00:42:30.840
could do it. The Phillies obviously have the information for this family. That woman, if she
00:42:34.440
has any dignity, any self-respect, any sense of right and wrong, should mail the ball back to the kid
00:42:38.940
with a lengthy apology letter. That was wrong. Do you know why it was wrong? It wasn't even just wrong
00:42:44.940
because three or four people are trying to grab the baseball at the game and the dad gets it and
00:42:50.060
he goes back to his kids and hands it to the kid. And she thought that she had her hand on it or she
00:42:55.600
was supposed to get it. That's not even why it's wrong. So whatever, finders, keepers, it's a baseball
00:42:59.500
game, guys. I've been around a lot of baseball games, a lot of foul balls and finders keepers
00:43:03.740
in terms of who initially grabs the ball. But do you know what the next part of it is?
00:43:08.320
Foul balls and home run balls are for kids. That's really why she's wrong. And I haven't
00:43:17.260
heard a lot of people point that out. That's the deep level. It's not just, well, the dad should
00:43:22.380
have protected his sons right to the ball or he got it first even. No, no, no. The reason that it
00:43:29.000
was so, so wrong is foul balls and home run balls at baseball games are for kids. When I was a kid,
00:43:35.660
I loved catching them. It was cool. Now I'm an adult. If I were at a baseball game with my kid,
00:43:41.420
I would catch it and I would give it to my kid. If I were at a baseball game alone, I would catch
00:43:45.220
it. I'd be really happy to have caught it. And then I'd give it to the nearest kid around me
00:43:48.480
because they're not for me because I'm an adult and that's what they're for. Okay. Because ball games
00:43:55.800
are about having lots of fun with the whole family and it's especially for the delight of kids.
00:44:00.100
Disneyland. I mean, now look, we live in this culture where most of the people at Disneyland
00:44:04.380
are like fat 45-year-old childless millennials, you know, eating a turkey leg and hugging Mickey.
00:44:10.820
And that's wrong. It's wrong. You shouldn't be doing that. It's okay to have fun. It's okay to do,
00:44:15.660
but you got to do it like with your nephew or something. Okay. Or your kids or you can't,
00:44:20.200
that stuff's, Disneyland is not for you when you're an adult without children.
00:44:26.320
The home run ball is not for you when you're an angry middle-aged woman willing to steal it from a
00:44:31.700
little kid. We have, you know, the nature of a thing largely by what it's for. We have lost a
00:44:39.700
sense of what it's for because we've lost a sense that anything is for anything at all.
00:44:44.340
We think that, you know, I mean, that explains a lot of the weird sex stuff. We, that explains
00:44:48.340
a lot of the social decay and confusion. We just think life is about, you know,
00:44:53.740
tickling ourselves until we get bored enough to just rot. You're here to do stuff. Okay. Speaking
00:45:01.820
of people who are not confused about what life is for, the first millennial saint was canonized over
00:45:08.500
the weekend. This is a Catholic specific story, but I think it has resonance for everybody, Catholic,
00:45:15.440
non-Catholic, even, even non-believers alike. So Carlo Acutis is the first millennial saint.
00:45:22.140
He looks like every other millennial, you know, he like played Pokemon and had computers and wore
00:45:27.180
polo shirts and he, but he lived a life of heroic virtue. And I won't even get into his whole story
00:45:32.760
here. You can go look it up. It's very interesting. Anyway, he's been canonized as saint. In the church,
00:45:36.780
we believe that anyone in heaven is a saint, but there is a process for a formal canonization
00:45:41.960
so that we can recognize the saints in heaven. We can pray for their intercession, which is an
00:45:46.680
ancient Christian practice consistent throughout 2,000 years. I know some people disagree with it,
00:45:50.540
but it goes all the way back to antiquity and the apostolic age. And in any case, it goes back to
00:45:54.700
Balikarp, actually, you know, praying around the bones of a dead Christian. Anyway, we don't need to
00:46:00.540
defend the intercession of saints or any of that right now. Just to point out, we have our first
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millennial saint because there are saints being made every day, because the church goes on and the church
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advances and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. That's what our Lord promises to his
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apostles. There was another saint, this guy, Pierre Giorgio Frassati. His cause for sainthood
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was opened up much earlier. He was a saint from the early 20th century. He's a great saint for our
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times too, though, now, because he's like a big giga chad who used to climb mountains and stuff and
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smoke pipes, but also was heroically virtuous. I think he was a third order Dominican, a real macho
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kind of guy. These are both great saints for our times. Important to remember that the opportunity
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for sanctity and virtue is around us all the time. One last point on this, though. There's a picture
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of the family of Carlo Acutis, because this kid's a millennial, so his family's still alive. His parents
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and siblings are still alive. They showed up to the canonization mass. It's kind of weird. We canonize
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people a little faster than we used to in centuries past, so they're there, and that's kind of weird.
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Someone pointed out on Twitter, said, it's strange because they look sad, but your kid is being
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declared a saint by the church, so if you believe this, then your son is now a very powerful figure
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in heaven in the presence of God, and you should be so happy, right? I don't know. They might just
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be somber because it's a solemn occasion, but they might be sad. It's hard to totally read their faces,
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and they might be sad, and it makes sense that they're sad because they're human. We're human.
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We're still in this world, and Christianity is not an unreal religion. It's not an unnatural religion.
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It doesn't contradict nature, human nature or physical nature. Grace perfects nature,
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but it recognizes the fallenness of this world. Christ weeps. It's the shortest verse of the Bible.
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Jesus wept when his friend died, right before he raises his friend from the dead, but he still
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weeps, and these people can still be sad too because if you're a Catholic or some versions
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of Protestant, and your baptized young child dies, God forbid, you will be certain. You will feel 100%
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certain that your child is in heaven in the presence of God, has salvation, is good.
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You can feel more certain of that than if an adult dies at the age of 80.
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So on the one hand, shouldn't you be so happy? Why aren't you just happy, clappy dancing when your
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kid dies? Because you miss your kid. Because you miss your kid. Because that's just a fact of the world.
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And true religion, in my experience, is the kind of religion that makes sense of human nature.
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It's not the kind of religion that denies human nature. It's not happy, clappy all the time. It's
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not, you know, putting a forced smile plastered on your face. It's not saccharine. It's not sentimental.
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It's real. It speaks to the reality, to the core of human nature, and points a persuasive direction
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toward overcoming the world. But living within the world, accepting reality, and pointing to,
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pointing, not contradicting the natural, but pointing toward the supernatural, which perfects,
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perfects nature. Okay. That's our show. I have so much more to say. I have so much more to say.
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