The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1809 - Train Stabbing Of 23-Year-Old Ukrainian Woman Explained

00:00:00.000 A 34-year-old lunatic vagrant with a rap sheet a mile long stabbed a 23-year-old Ukrainian girl 0.87

00:00:06.080 to death on a commuter train in Charlotte, North Carolina. Unfortunately, no one is any longer

00:00:13.220 surprised by the incident or the circumstances surrounding it, because it's all so predictable,

00:00:20.300 including the response of the mayor, who of course leapt into action to demand compassion

00:00:26.140 for the Stabbers. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:02:20.060 You probably saw this story going viral over the weekend. 23-year-old girl, Ukrainian refugee,

00:02:26.680 Irina Zarutska, was just riding a commuter rail in Charlotte, North Carolina. This isn't downtown

00:02:33.380 Chicago. This isn't Detroit. This isn't Oakland. This is Charlotte. Charlotte's a perfectly nice place,

00:02:39.580 isn't it supposed to be? She's just riding the commuter rail, minding her own business.

00:02:43.600 Then a 34-year-old guy, DeCarlos something or other, walks up, sits behind her, then out of the

00:02:51.040 blue, well, we have the footage. So she's sitting there scrolling. He just gets up. We're going to

00:02:58.580 cut it, obviously, before we're not actually going to show her being murdered. He just gets up out of

00:03:04.120 nowhere, just stabs her in the neck. Then he walks around the train, dripping blood everywhere. And the 0.95

00:03:09.300 other riders on the train, they clearly don't even know what's going on. I don't even think this was

00:03:14.300 an example of cowardice. I think this is just they didn't know what was going on until they start to

00:03:17.440 see the blood trailing behind him. Really, really horrifying. So we should pray for the woman and

00:03:22.100 her family. And we should pray for our political order that we start to act in a normal and sane way

00:03:30.960 again. We start to, I'm not even going to say recognize patterns of crime that everyone recognizes

00:03:36.840 them, that we start to do something about it again, the way that we used to. Here's a pattern.

00:03:43.580 When a guy is arrested, what is that, 14 times? Is that 14 times I'm seeing?

00:03:50.120 For what? For robbery and larceny, with robbery with a dangerous weapon, for communicating threats.

00:04:00.140 This is all court records, according to the New York Post. And on and on and on, going back to 2011,

00:04:07.460 when a guy is just constantly a menace to society for 14 years, maybe you keep him out of society.

00:04:17.180 That's what we used to do. We used to just execute criminals. After a while, we just kind of got sick 0.56

00:04:23.680 of dealing with them and we would execute them. Then we more or less abolished capital punishment.

00:04:29.160 We greatly reduced it. And we turned this to life sentences for serious crimes or for series of crimes.

00:04:35.500 And then we let people out early. And now you have at least one major political party calling to

00:04:41.620 abolish the police and empty the prisons and calling for compassion for the stabbers. This

00:04:46.920 was, this is what Mayor V. Lyles had to say. Mayor of Charlotte. She said, look, the transit system in

00:04:56.160 Charlotte is, quote, by and large safe. It's, but hey, listen, the silver lining here is most people

00:05:02.860 don't get stabbed by random criminals on the, most people don't. I mean, look, you're taking a little

00:05:08.880 bit of a risk, but most people don't. And then she says this, we will never arrest our way out of

00:05:14.960 issues such as homelessness and mental health. Mental health disease is just that, a disease like

00:05:20.280 any other that needs to be treated with the same compassion, diligence, and commitment as cancer or

00:05:25.240 heart disease. Good freaking grief, lady. We will never arrest our way out of issues such as 0.69

00:05:31.340 homelessness and mental health. Said contra, yes, you will. Yes, you will. That's how you work your way

00:05:38.140 out of that issue. When you have a bunch of crazy criminals stabbing people on the street, 0.98

00:05:42.560 the way that you stop that problem is you take them all and you put them in a box and then they 0.93

00:05:48.660 don't stab you anymore because they're in a box. They're locked up. They can't do it. They don't

00:05:51.980 have access to knives. At most, they're going to make a little prison shiv out of a piece of plastic

00:05:57.260 and stab each other, which is bad enough, but they won't be stabbing us. That's, that's how you fix

00:06:02.240 the problem. You're never going to arrest your way out of crime. What's your solution? Because that,

00:06:10.720 as far as politicians go, that's the only way to fix crime. Families have other resources. They can

00:06:20.320 raise their kids right. They can model good marriages. They can educate their kids. Pastors

00:06:25.400 and priests can, can inculcate a moral education and encourage, uh, availing oneself of the sacraments

00:06:33.800 and point one toward heaven. And that, that, those are resources available to priests and pastors.

00:06:40.280 Psychologists can, can go through behavioral therapy and maybe even prescribe medicines.

00:06:44.520 But in terms of politicians, that's what this mayor is. She's a politician. 1.00

00:06:48.120 In terms of politicians, the only thing they can do to try to ameliorate crime is to arrest people.

00:06:56.360 That's the resource available to them. That's their competency. But these people are incompetent.

00:07:01.480 They refuse to do their job. And they say, well, there's nothing we can do. Okay. So that, 0.98

00:07:06.840 so her answer is a more young Ukrainian girls bad to get stabbed by the DeCarlis's of the world. 0.96

00:07:12.280 That's her answer. Because you see, mental health disease is just that. A disease like any other, 0.98

00:07:20.920 like cancer or heart disease. Okay. So there are mental illnesses and diseases and,

00:07:26.120 but I don't think it's just that, you know, I don't think it's exactly like cancer or heart disease.

00:07:34.040 This, this reminds me, the whole thing is a Norm Macdonald bit. The whole thing,

00:07:37.320 it's funny because I was talking about Norm last week when I was on Tucker's show.

00:07:39.480 And this is a Norm Macdonald bit. You know, my greatest fear says Norm is that a jihadi will 1.00

00:07:45.560 blow up a dirty bomb killing tens of millions of people because then the blowback against peaceful 0.99

00:07:50.280 Muslims would be just terrible. That's what she's saying. Oh, the worst part of this stabbing 1.00

00:07:55.960 is, is how, how much prejudice this is going to bring upon the stabbers.

00:08:01.480 There was another Norm bit where he said, you know, my uncle, he's got, he's got alcoholism,

00:08:04.920 which is a disease. And it's like, oh, yeah, it's a disease. I grant it's a disease.

00:08:08.760 But if you're going to have a disease, I think that's the best one.

00:08:12.280 Because unlike cancer or heart disease that, that cause you to go through all these horrible

00:08:17.800 therapies and debilitate you and cause you to, uh, the disease of alcoholism causes you to be happy

00:08:24.040 and have sex with people, you know, not to minimize it, but it's not, it's not just a disease. Okay.

00:08:30.200 When a vagrant criminal on the street goes about stabbing people.

00:08:36.680 Yes, he might have some preexisting medical issues. He's also probably engaged in a fair

00:08:41.240 amount of vice over his life. He's probably also been pretty irresponsible. He's probably

00:08:46.520 developed habits through the use of his even weakened free will that have made the condition worse.

00:08:52.400 Generally, he's not totally guiltless and our society is not guiltless. The mayor and the DAs

00:08:59.840 and the judges who won't lock these people up, they have blood on their hands. Simple as simple as

00:09:06.160 that. Your one, your one job is to establish order and protect people's rights. That's a politician's

00:09:14.880 job. Politician's job. They want to do, everyone wants to do someone else's job. You ever notice that

00:09:18.720 everyone, no matter what your job is, you always want to do something else. This is true. You know,

00:09:23.800 the, the actor always wants to be a musician. The accountant always wants to be a movie star.

00:09:30.480 And these politicians, I don't know what they want to be. These politicians want to be self-help gurus.

00:09:35.300 These politicians want to be pastors. These politicians want, no, you're a politician. Your job

00:09:41.360 is to arrest the bad guys and enforce the freaking law, but you won't do it. You won't do it because that 0.97

00:09:47.320 involves moral clarity. It involves some courage. It involves taking responsibility. They're not

00:09:52.680 going to do any of that. So prepare for more stabbings in Charlotte. Sorry to say. This is

00:09:56.840 the same energy. This, this kind of, uh, won't somebody please think about the stabbers. This

00:10:02.300 is the same energy you're seeing in the liberal pushback to president Trump's attack last week

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00:12:04.420 So the vice president, J.D. Vance, aptly posts on Twitter. He says,

00:12:09.480 killing cartel members who poison our fellow citizens is the highest and best use of our 0.98

00:12:14.980 military. Yup, totally true, spot on. Brian Krasenstein, a liberal account, responds, 0.98

00:12:23.140 killing the citizens of another nation who are civilians without any due process is called a war crime.

00:12:32.100 None of that is true, but whatever. But the vice president doesn't even, he doesn't even say

00:12:39.720 that's not true. And here's why he just, his response actually, I think has stronger energy

00:12:43.440 to it. He says, I don't give an S-H-I-T what you call it. And you know, I don't like going blue.

00:12:50.260 I don't like in public life. I don't like going blue. I don't like using naughty language. This is a

00:12:54.520 family show. So I, you know, I wouldn't say it in those exact words, but that sentiment

00:13:00.040 is 100% exactly right. This is the way to respond to the libs. We have power. We Republicans have

00:13:10.800 power. Republicans haven't had power at other times in my life. What is different about this

00:13:14.920 moment is Republicans are actually wielding the power. We're not afraid based on some stupid 1.00

00:13:21.180 ideology and misbegotten conception of principles or whatever. We're not afraid to wield the power 1.00

00:13:26.960 in a proper way, the power that the people have given us. And when the libs throw up all of these

00:13:32.540 ridiculous arguments against it, actually, you're not allowed to kill terrorists who are trying to 0.99

00:13:37.740 poison you. Actually, actually, you know, that's a war crime. What do you know it is? And what are you 0.99

00:13:41.500 talking about? The proper response, the temptation for Republicans is going to be saying, no, actually,

00:13:47.580 here's why, according to international law and according to US code, section 18 verse, this is

00:13:52.700 actually why it's not technically that, but I think JD's got the stronger energy here. He goes,

00:13:57.420 I don't give an SHIT what you call it. We're doing it. Cry more over the trend day Aragwa 1.00

00:14:04.000 Fent runners. You know, I'm on the side of the Fent victims. I'm on the side of their victims. You're

00:14:08.980 on the side of the cartel criminals. Okay. Cry about it. That's fine. Go to their funerals down in

00:14:14.620 Mexico or whatever. That's fine. Venezuela. I'm going to be here with my constituents,

00:14:20.420 protecting my people, doing my job, because I at least will do my job as a politician,

00:14:25.140 even if you people won't. This is the right attitude. It's not just the left liberals,

00:14:30.760 though, who are attacking JD for this response. This is where, you know, I love my libertarian

00:14:37.940 friends. Some of my best friends are libertarians, but I'm not a libertarian. And this is where the

00:14:43.940 libertarians, they start to lose me a little bit. Rand Paul, whom I like very, very much,

00:14:51.640 but Rand Paul, he responds, he says this. JD, I don't give an SHIT Vance saying people, 0.99

00:14:58.040 killing people he accuses of a crime is the highest and best use of the military. Did he ever read to 0.99

00:15:02.960 kill a mockingbird? Did he ever wonder what might happen if the accused were immediately executed

00:15:07.160 without trial or representation? What a despicable and thoughtless sentiment it is to glorify killing

00:15:11.760 someone without a trial. That ain't it, man. When we're at war, we don't have jury trials before

00:15:24.820 we kill the enemy. When we are executing terrorists, even if we're not in a full-on war,

00:15:32.820 when we're conducting military operations to kill terrorists who are killing our people and who are

00:15:37.820 trying to kill our people, we don't give them jury trials. Al-Qaeda is not entitled to a jury trial.

00:15:44.980 Trendy Arag was not entitled to a jury trial. A uniformed combatant in a fully declared war as 0.91

00:15:53.160 if this were the 19th century, those guys aren't entitled to jury trials either. Sometimes we just

00:16:00.640 use force to rigorously defend our interests after having made reasoned arguments for doing so.

00:16:09.200 After having held elections on these kinds of issues.

00:16:15.200 People voted. The popular vote in November went to President Trump doing stuff like this,

00:16:21.700 securing our border, stopping the mass fentanyl poisoning.

00:16:25.140 It was right there toward the top of the list of things people voted for.

00:16:30.640 Do you think to kill a mockingbird is going to convince people otherwise? This is something

00:16:34.600 else. Again, I don't want to beat up too much on Rand Paul because I really like Rand Paul,

00:16:38.140 but this is something the libs do this too. They say, you know, this is just like Harry Potter.

00:16:42.620 Huh, we need to, you need to watch Star Wars again or something, you know? They always use these

00:16:47.660 like really popular children's books and movies to make their moral arguments. And to kill a 0.98

00:16:53.920 mockingbird, it's fine. It's like a fine book to read in sixth grade.

00:16:56.560 It ain't war and peace. You know, it's not Anna Karenina. It's not Ipromessi Sposi. It's a,

00:17:04.400 it's a fine little book to read in sixth grade, I guess. It's okay. It's, it's not the arbiter of

00:17:11.160 morality or statecraft. I don't, what is, is, I don't, Rand Paul is an intelligent guy. I don't think

00:17:20.280 he's arguing that we need to put cartel members who smuggle fentanyl into the United States to kill

00:17:27.680 a hundred thousand Americans per year, 75 to a hundred thousand Americans per year, that we need 0.82

00:17:31.580 to give them all jury trials in Venezuela. He's not really arguing that. So that line doesn't make any

00:17:36.860 sense. Glorifying killing someone without a trial. It's good to kill people without a trial.

00:17:42.980 Sometimes, sometimes when they're trying to kill you or in the case of Trendy Aragua, when they are 0.99

00:17:49.460 killing you by the bushel basket every year. Yeah, I think it is good to kill those people without it's, 0.99

00:17:55.300 it's good to kill them as quickly as possible. That is, if that is not a just war, we talk a lot 1.00

00:18:01.400 about just war in Ukraine, in Israel, Palestine. I've spoken ad nauseum about justice in going to war, 0.66

00:18:08.860 justice in the conduct of wars. We've talked a lot about that. If stopping with lethal force,

00:18:17.740 a officially designated foreign terrorist organization that is killing 75,000 to a hundred

00:18:24.200 thousand of your citizens per year, if that isn't a just war, I don't know what is. I don't know what 0.74

00:18:30.660 is. Speaking of life and death, a really dumb article that I have to share with you. You might've 0.97

00:18:36.500 seen it. It was making the rounds. This is from futurism and it's so, people are so interested

00:18:42.140 now in ancient civilizations and aliens and the, I don't know, megaliths. I've interviewed Timothy

00:18:50.880 Albarino. We've had a couple of great Mike Land episodes, which you can watch at the Michael

00:18:54.140 Knowles YouTube channel. But one of the ideas that keeps popping up is that the way the earth began,

00:19:01.940 the way life on earth began, is some ancient aliens came here from planet Zebulon 7. And

00:19:09.100 they're the ones who planted the seeds of life for the earth. I'm sure you've heard these theories

00:19:14.540 before. Well, futurism has a report out. It says paper finds earth may have been terraformed by

00:19:20.360 advanced extraterrestrials. This is the idea of the earth being founded by aliens. Okay. Robert

00:19:30.280 Andres, who is a biologist, a systems biologist at Imperial College London. According to the article,

00:19:36.020 he concluded that, quote, a purely random soup made up of molecules that eventually enabled the

00:19:42.080 formation of life on earth was too lossy and that some form of prebiotic informational structure must

00:19:48.140 precede Darwinian evolution. So this part is really interesting. What's he talking about the soup?

00:19:53.400 You might've studied this when you were reading To Kill a Mockingbird. You might've studied this in

00:19:56.880 sixth or seventh grade in biology class. There's this question, how did life begin?

00:20:02.640 Now, I have an account of how life began. I think that God formed man out of the dust

00:20:07.900 and he breathed life into him. And then he took one of his ribs and made woman because it's not fit 0.89

00:20:14.620 for man to be alone because man's a social creature. And that's how I think life began.

00:20:18.120 I also think that's figurative. I also, I don't think that explains literally every single detail

00:20:25.460 of how it began, but that's my account of how life began. That's the traditional Christian account.

00:20:29.960 Doesn't, not literal, doesn't have to be literal, but that's nevertheless, truthfully what happened.

00:20:36.560 The modern people and the liberal people and the secular people and the atheist people,

00:20:40.080 they can't handle that. So they say, no, no, that can't be the case.

00:20:43.480 There can't be a creator of life. Okay. So then how was life created? Well, the only other option is

00:20:51.020 life would have had to create itself. How do you create yourself? Well, this is where we get the

00:20:58.880 theory of abiogenesis or spontaneous generation. The notion that you go from inanimate matter to

00:21:07.820 animate life to, to animate just means alive. You go from inanimate, just like a, an actual clump of

00:21:14.080 cells or just a clump of molecules even to things moving around and having life. And how does that

00:21:19.000 happen? Uh, I don't know, but it, it did. The theory says that there was some primordial soup of

00:21:24.880 molecules many zillions of years ago, and that they were all banging around each other. And at some

00:21:30.260 point that, that formed a process similar to metabolism, or at some point all the molecules

00:21:36.200 banged around and they've, that formed something similar to RNA, or at some point, uh, we don't

00:21:41.820 quite know. It's like step a, soupy molecules, step B, big question mark, step three, us talking

00:21:48.500 about it now while we're alive and step B, they don't quite understand. But the theory is not just

00:21:54.500 modern. There, there is a theory, a version of the theory that goes all the way back to Aristotle

00:21:58.020 actually goes back before Aristotle. I think of, uh, what was it? Anaximander, Anaximander.

00:22:04.940 This would have been in the sixth century, fifth or sixth century BC, this theory of, uh, just

00:22:11.140 spontaneous generation. So a way to understand it is, uh, this idea which existed for many centuries

00:22:18.560 that maggots come from garbage or maggots come from decaying flesh. You have, you have flesh,

00:22:23.580 it decays, and then maggots spring up from that. Now, what really happens is that flies land there

00:22:28.000 and they leave their little maggoty eggs and then the maggots develop. And so, but it looks like

00:22:32.360 they're coming out of the trash or out of, out of a decaying flesh. Okay. That Aristotle bought into

00:22:37.980 that, that went through the middle ages. Then it kind of fell out of favor, but now it's back in

00:22:43.440 favor because there's no other way to explain how life begins. Either there is a God, our creator who

00:22:52.400 endows us with certain unalienable rights or life springs out of inanimate stuff. There's zero proof.

00:23:01.080 There's zero proof that that has ever happened. That's, that's a much greater leap of faith than

00:23:06.880 saying that there's a God who formed you out of clay and breathed into your nostrils. Or there's the

00:23:11.860 third option, which is what the, the techno genius futurists are trying to push now. And the third

00:23:16.260 options is it was, it was aliens. It's not, no, it can't forget about God and forget about a

00:23:21.920 biogenesis. It was aliens. But the problem is the aliens don't answer the question. They say, well,

00:23:29.040 no, look, life on earth couldn't, it's just, the math doesn't work out. They could not have just

00:23:32.380 spontaneously generated. And we certainly don't believe in a God anymore. I mean, that's totally

00:23:36.220 crazy. And so it had to be aliens. So quick follow-up question. Who made the aliens?

00:23:44.900 You dummies. It doesn't, it obviously just pushes the question back one state. Well, 0.98

00:23:51.900 the aliens made us. Okay. Well, who made the aliens? And then you're left with these two options,

00:23:56.940 God, or they just kind of appeared one day. God or soup? Who made you? God or soup? It's amazing.

00:24:07.000 There will, there will not be a definitive resolution in the minds of most people

00:24:09.940 because we've been debating this question since Anaximander. We've been debating this question

00:24:15.860 since the sixth century. And even intelligent people can be led astray into very, very stupid 1.00

00:24:22.280 theories where they believe that they are the products of aliens or soup or soupy aliens. 0.98

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00:25:55.340 death. You know, we got, like, weapons and then light in the beginning of life, and then more weapons,

00:25:59.800 and that's amazing. This is really fitting providentially together. There's a story in Wired

00:26:05.260 Magazine. I encourage all of you to go read it. I think it's behind a paywall. So maybe, I don't

00:26:11.080 know, maybe go pay for Wired. I have no financial stake in that. Also, it's 2025. If you don't know

00:26:16.100 how to get around paywalls, you're not going to make it. I'll try to be brief on what the story says.

00:26:22.880 So to set the stage, do you know how much surrogacy is worth in America every year? Do you know how big

00:26:29.980 the industry is? Look, I'm in the cigar industry. I'm in the media industry. You're in whatever

00:26:34.760 industry you're in. The surrogacy industry, it's an industry, first of all. It's not just people kind

00:26:39.620 of helping each other out to make life. It's not in any charity. It's a $5 billion a year industry.

00:26:47.260 But whereas I, in my industry, I trade in cigars. I trade in ideas in my political media industry.

00:26:54.160 You trade in whatever your industry is. You trade in construction. You trade in linens. You trade in

00:26:58.400 whatever you work in. The surrogacy industry trades in babies, trades in human beings. That's the

00:27:03.700 product. It is supported by some of the biggest companies in the world. Over a dozen big tech

00:27:10.160 companies subsidize surrogacy. They tell their women who are working for them, hey, yeah, put off having 0.98

00:27:14.040 kids, put off getting married. Don't worry. We'll give you subsidies. If you freeze your eggs, which

00:27:18.000 is a very painful process, and then hire some Frankenstein doctor to make you a baby in a 0.99

00:27:22.900 laboratory, don't worry. We'll subsidize that down the line. Just keep working. Don't leave the widget

00:27:26.680 factory. It has created these new terms. We used to have these terms, mom and dad. You remember that?

00:27:32.140 Now that's out. The industry gives us the terms intended parents. Those are the people who buy the

00:27:38.460 babies at the baby store. They order the babies. And gestational carriers, which used to, those two

00:27:45.200 things used to be synonymous. It was called mom. But the gestational carriers are the people who sell

00:27:51.200 out there. They rent out their wombs in a kind of hyper-capitalist dystopia to the intended parents 0.99

00:27:58.460 who order the babies at the baby store. And as a consequence of IVF and surrogacy, practically

00:28:04.280 speaking, almost always kill most of their kids. Now, even if you're okay in principle with IVF and

00:28:10.820 surrogacy, just a reminder, this is just a little scientific data reminder that it's much more

00:28:17.040 dangerous compared to natural conception. Especially for the baby, but also for the, what do they call

00:28:24.260 her? Gestational carrier, the surrogate mother. Carrying a genetically unrelated baby more than 1.00

00:28:30.740 triples the risk of severe and potentially deadly conditions. Not just for the baby, also for the

00:28:36.940 woman renting out her womb. So anyway, here's the story. Short version of the story. This yuppie rich

00:28:44.040 couple. Woman was a bit older than the man. She was a little too old to bear kids herself, or at least 1.00

00:28:49.700 would have been a little risky. So anyway, they go to the baby store. They order twibblings. Twibblings,

00:28:53.300 not twins, because it's really risky to implant twins in the surrogate, the gestational carrier.

00:28:59.580 So they order twibblings, and they're going to go, they're going to hire one surrogate for one kid 0.99

00:29:03.100 and one for another. What's a twibbling? It's, they're kind of genetically twins, but they'll be born a

00:29:08.880 few weeks apart. They won't be born at exactly the same time because they have different surrogate

00:29:11.940 mothers. The surrogate who took on this contract was going to be given $45,000. Now, where she was 1.00

00:29:20.040 located, it was actually illegal to rent your womb out and to trade in human beings, right? So the way 0.62

00:29:25.720 they get around the law is that it was supposed to be a $45,000 reimbursement. So it's just a way,

00:29:30.840 this is the way organized crime has gotten around laws for all of history. The way that even white 0.93

00:29:36.120 collar criminals have gotten around, it's a $45,000 reimbursement. So she rented out her womb 0.79

00:29:40.220 reportedly to pay off her student loans. Okay, it's getting darker and darker. Truly, you know,

00:29:46.540 I say two cheers for capitalism, but this is a capitalist dystopia. If women are now going to 1.00

00:29:51.680 college merely to graduate saddled in debt that they're going to have to pay off for the rest of

00:29:56.740 their lives, they can't get great jobs. So they're going to have to rent out their wombs in order to 1.00

00:30:00.580 pay off the debt that they were saddled with to go to the college they didn't need. Then the surrogate 0.62

00:30:07.200 starts bleeding. I'm going to fast forward a little bit. She's got the baby implanted. She 0.61

00:30:10.720 starts early bleeding. She goes to the emergency room. This is pretty scary. If you've ever been

00:30:15.760 pregnant, you've ever had a wife who's pregnant, this is pretty scary. What happens? The intended 1.00

00:30:19.920 parent, the woman who rented her womb, sent her a DoorDash gift card. If my wife, God forbid, 1.00

00:30:26.240 started bleeding during pregnancy, I'd rush her to the hospital. I'd be there, I'd be taking care of

00:30:29.940 her along with the nurses. But in this case, these two women have really no connection other than a

00:30:34.520 contract, a commercial contract together. So the woman starts bleeding. There's some risk to the 0.99

00:30:38.780 child. There's some risk to her life. And the client sends her a DoorDash gift card. Go get

00:30:44.300 yourself a Frappuccino. During the surrogacy, during the pregnancy, the surrogate gets a new job. 0.95

00:30:51.880 The problem is the new insurance didn't cover surrogacy. The old insurance at her old job

00:30:57.400 covered surrogacy. The new one does not. So what's going to happen? They have a contract. She's supposed to

00:31:02.300 deliver this baby, but her new insurance won't cover it. In a normal situation, mom and dad,

00:31:07.800 well, dad just, mom and dad just figure out a way to take care of it. Her mom doesn't change her job 1.00

00:31:11.180 until the baby is born. Or dad gets another job. Or in this case, though, all they have is a

00:31:16.080 commercial contract. Is the woman going to terminate the pregnancy now? Well, does she have a right to 1.00

00:31:20.960 terminate the pregnancy? Well, does she have a right over her own body? This is an important line. 1.00

00:31:24.780 On December 15th, this is directly from the article, a day on which Bai, the woman who rented

00:31:32.440 the womb, sent the surrogate more than 50 texts about the insurance. Smith, the surrogate, felt

00:31:38.940 liquid between her legs. She was 26 weeks pregnant and afraid her water had broken. The emergency room

00:31:43.480 sent her home, telling her it wasn't amniotic fluid. She should have been relieved, but she soon

00:31:47.200 had another text from Bai. One of Bai's lawyers wanted Smith to sign a few forms. Smith had already

00:31:52.000 signed a power of attorney giving Bai and Val Deglasius, those are the intended parents,

00:31:57.680 the ability to make decisions for Leon, the baby inside the womb, even though these very same

00:32:02.500 liberals are telling us that babies inside the womb aren't really human beings, and they don't have

00:32:06.260 any rights, and they certainly don't deserve any names. But now, when it's convenient for them,

00:32:09.880 they say that actually they are human beings, and they do have names. And the same libs who tell us

00:32:14.780 that conservatives who want to ban infanticide are trying to claim control of women's bodies.

00:32:19.720 Now, in this case, these very same liberal type of people are claiming control over a woman's body 1.00

00:32:24.160 because they signed a contract. But hold on, I thought slavery was abolished with the 13th

00:32:27.760 Amendment, if not by the Emancipation Proclamation. Well, when it's convenient, we can own human beings,

00:32:36.320 and we can demand control over their bodies and over women's bodies, so long as there's a 1.00

00:32:40.060 commercial contract. In fact, the article asks this, were they now asking for control over her body? 0.99

00:32:45.080 Surrogacy? Now, the new insurance screws up the surrogacy, and now they're going to be on the

00:32:54.560 hook. And so the intended parents who hired the baby company to rent out the womb of the woman, 1.00

00:33:01.520 they say, all right, they're going to maybe sue the baby company, but they're going to wait for

00:33:05.940 the baby to be delivered first, and they'll be on the hook for the expenses. Will they, or will the

00:33:09.340 surrogate be on the hook for the expenses? In any case, finally, this woman goes to the hospital. 0.99

00:33:14.160 She's bleeding again, emergency C-section. Early, the baby had already died. Very sad,

00:33:19.420 we can pray for the baby. The surrogate almost died too from placental rupture. Last thing I'll

00:33:24.120 read you here. Bi contacted the baby company, claiming that the surrogate had broken the contract

00:33:31.260 by not informing her about the insurance change on time, not taking her vitamins. Did she take her

00:33:35.900 vitamins on time? We don't know. And not alerting her to the C-section. Our contract specified a

00:33:40.620 well baby that didn't die, she reminded. That's what she bought. She went to the baby store to buy

00:33:44.520 a well baby that did not die. That's what she paid for, okay? That's what she hired this slave woman 1.00

00:33:51.540 for. And the slave woman didn't gestate the baby well enough, and the baby did die. And now this

00:33:57.900 woman wants her money back. This woman wants justice. What is justice here? Bi, the mother, 1.00

00:34:04.620 the intended mother, the baby purchaser, ordered the escrow to stop paying the surrogate or reimbursing 0.96

00:34:09.620 her medical expenses. A few days later, this woman re-listed, re-listened to the recording of

00:34:15.140 the worst news of her life. She noticed a detail she'd missed. The surrogate had bled 10 days prior

00:34:19.200 to Leon's death. No one had told her. Now she's ruining the surrogate's life. Surrogate had to quit 0.99

00:34:23.420 her job, moved back in with her previous baby daddy. It just, it gets so. This, this is what happens

00:34:31.560 when you hire a carpenter to build you new kitchen cabinets. Isn't this, if you've ever owned a home and

00:34:38.280 you've hired someone to do some work on the home? This is, ah, you know, the work, it came in a

00:34:42.020 little bit shoddy. It came in over budget, came in late. And then you start arguing with the,

00:34:47.840 the carpentry company, the contracting company. And you say, hey, this isn't it. This isn't what

00:34:51.780 I paid for. I want, I want a reimbursement. I want my old cabinets back. This is what happens.

00:34:57.020 You order a custom handbag. You order a custom handbag and it comes in the wrong color or it's a

00:35:02.780 little bit damaged when it comes in. You say, well, I need my money back. I need you to make me a new

00:35:06.980 handbag. But the thing is, babies aren't handbags. Babies aren't kitchen cabinets.

00:35:18.160 Surrogate mothers, women with wombs are not general contractors. We're talking about human

00:35:25.600 beings, proper subjects with rights. That includes the surrogate who's doing a bad thing by renting out

00:35:31.840 her womb, but she's still a human being. She's still entitled to rights. She still has dignity. 0.99

00:35:35.860 And we're talking about a baby. A baby, which in the surrogacy industry, in the IVF industry,

00:35:44.700 necessarily is treated as a commodity. Is bandied back and forth, is sent to one woman and then 1.00

00:35:53.180 another, is created in a laboratory because people in a capitalist market, hiring companies and bringing

00:36:02.700 in people through voluntary exchange are establishing the domination of technology over the origin and

00:36:08.960 destiny of human life, contrary to human dignity, contrary to what is right. Can't do it.

00:36:16.240 This is surrogacy. This is IVF. It is completely morally indefensible. There is no good version of it.

00:36:25.480 It always does this. It's not always as sensationalist in how it goes wrong, but it always

00:36:33.560 does these things. It always commoditizes human people and reduces natural, beautiful family relations

00:36:38.880 to merely commercial, contractual endeavors that necessarily turn human beings into commodities to

00:36:44.680 be traded. And we can't have it. It's wrong. Slavery is wrong. That's why we abolished it.

00:36:49.960 Human smuggling is wrong. Human trafficking is wrong. Infanticide is wrong. We haven't totally

00:36:57.940 abolished that yet, but it's all wrong because human beings are proper subjects. Simple as.

00:37:05.660 Highly encourage you to go read this article. And if you're not already hip to this issue,

00:37:10.020 which is novel, and I know a lot of people have engaged in it, and people don't realize the

00:37:14.700 bioethical implications of surrogacy and IVF. I get it. I get it. Don't let the devil keep you down,

00:37:19.600 man. If you've done something wrong, or you know someone who's done something wrong,

00:37:23.720 or your daughter did something wrong, and you say, well, now I have to defend IVF. I have to

00:37:28.840 defend surrogacy because I used it myself, or my friend used it, or my—it's okay. You can just say,

00:37:34.720 I did something wrong. I'm happy for the kid that I have as a result of it, but it's wrong. I now see

00:37:38.520 the bioethical problems with it. I'm not going to let the devil trap me in a system of trying to justify

00:37:44.120 my own sin rather than just admitting, I did it wrong. I ask for forgiveness. We're not going to do it again.

00:37:49.600 That's the way out. Today is a big day at The Daily Wire. Many of you already know Isabel Brown.

00:37:53.900 Soon the entire world will. The Gen Z conservative voice America has been waiting for. The Isabel 0.98

00:37:58.160 Brown show premieres today on Daily Wire+. That's just the start of a huge week at The Daily Wire

00:38:03.000 because Wednesday, for the first time in months, all of us are getting back together to celebrate

00:38:08.080 a decade of The Daily Wire by debuting our new flagship show, Friendly Fire. We will be debating,

00:38:12.700 disagreeing, and discussing all the news-making headlines right now. Spoiler alert,

00:38:15.980 we all have our own opinions, and Wednesday night you will hear every single one of them collide,

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00:38:24.860 major announcements, some you've been waiting for. Some will be complete surprises. Do not miss a

00:38:29.240 moment. Join now at dailywire.com. My favorite comment on Friday is from Truth Believer One God,

00:38:36.400 that's a strong name, who says, we should end lobbying, and that would take care of many of our

00:38:41.060 problems. It's my favorite comment, not because I agree with it, but because I don't agree with it,

00:38:44.540 and yet it's commonly held, you can't end lobbying because lobbying is a constitutional right.

00:38:51.600 Lobbying is part of your First Amendment rights, the right to redress grievances.

00:38:57.180 The right to redress grievances is the right to lobby, so you can't get rid of it.

00:39:03.120 And you don't really want to get rid of it. You do want to be able to redress grievances with your

00:39:06.480 government. You do want to be able to organize and pressure your government to do things that are in

00:39:13.140 your interest. It'd be good if there maybe were a little more transparency in lobbying. That's one

00:39:17.920 way to reform it. But you can't get rid of it. You wouldn't want to get rid of it. Okay.

00:39:22.440 Speaking of kids, the Phillies went viral over the weekend. Major League Baseball went viral. It was a

00:39:30.200 Phillies game because some guy hits, I don't know if it was a home run or a foul ball. I wasn't watching

00:39:35.960 the game. I'm not a Phillies fan. But the ball goes into the stands and some guys, well, I'll just,

00:39:40.740 I'll just play it. You see it yourself.

00:39:47.240 Here we go. I guess it's a home run. Left field. Goes into the stands. Everyone's running for the

00:39:53.800 ball. Three or four people running for it. A young guy, a middle-aged guy gets it, grabs it,

00:39:59.320 gives it to his kid. This is sweet. And then some lunatic lady with crazy colored hair walks over, 1.00

00:40:03.700 starts screaming at the guy because she wanted the ball. And he, and he took the ball. And then he, 0.98

00:40:10.940 oh no, he points to it. He says it's in his kid's mitt. She starts yelling at the kid.

00:40:19.160 Oh my goodness.

00:40:22.800 He gives the ball to this woman. He takes the ball out of his kid's mitt and gives it to this woman. 0.99

00:40:28.880 Oh man, that's bad. I don't want to beat up on this father. He's already being beat up

00:40:35.820 nationally and internationally. And you know, you never know, you don't know what you're going to

00:40:39.940 do in that situation. I like to think I wouldn't have given that lunatic woman back the ball, 1.00

00:40:43.400 but you know, you never, you never totally know what you're going to do in that situation.

00:40:49.560 Obviously, just to establish this friend, if this happens in the future, we don't need to beat up on

00:40:53.600 the father too much. I'm sure he feels bad enough about it himself. And then the Phillies later came out

00:40:57.720 and they like gave the kids a bunch of nice stuff and they had a meet and greet and probably gave

00:41:01.440 them more baseballs. So, okay, whatever. But just as a, obviously he should not have given the woman 0.96

00:41:08.180 the ball. She was a crazy woman. She needed to be put in her place. And if she was going to make a 1.00

00:41:13.220 scene, she should have been ejected from the ball game. Under no circumstances should, should we give 1.00

00:41:18.900 these crazy ladies the baseball out of our kid's mitt? Obviously. I'm sure he thinks that now, 1.00

00:41:23.300 so I'm not going to beat up on him too much, but no. She needed to be taught a lesson. And this is

00:41:30.480 something in our society we don't do anymore. I see, I see this a lot. Husbands get dog walked

00:41:37.260 around by their wives. It's, it's, I see it all over the place. I travel all over the country. I see 0.90

00:41:41.260 it all the time. Husbands get dog walked by their wives and it makes both the husband and the wife 0.99

00:41:47.820 unhappy. You don't want that situation. No woman wants to be married to a guy that she can just 1.00

00:41:53.060 drag around by the collar. And no husband wants to be nagged to death by his wife. 0.94

00:41:58.560 You need to have, you need a loving relationship in which the husband is the husband and the wife

00:42:02.840 is the wife. Now in this case, these two are not married, obviously. This one, I don't know this

00:42:06.740 woman's situation, but obviously someone needed to put her in her place. You don't get to be a 1.00

00:42:11.980 middle-aged woman and walk up to a sweet little kid at a baseball game and take the baseball out of his 1.00

00:42:16.460 mint. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you insane? Are you going to take a lollipop from a 0.98

00:42:21.120 little baby too? This woman is cartoonishly villainous in this instance, and she should 1.00

00:42:25.980 apologize and she should send the ball back to the kid. I'm sure she could do it. I'm sure she 0.98

00:42:30.840 could do it. The Phillies obviously have the information for this family. That woman, if she 0.98

00:42:34.440 has any dignity, any self-respect, any sense of right and wrong, should mail the ball back to the kid

00:42:38.940 with a lengthy apology letter. That was wrong. Do you know why it was wrong? It wasn't even just wrong

00:42:44.940 because three or four people are trying to grab the baseball at the game and the dad gets it and

00:42:50.060 he goes back to his kids and hands it to the kid. And she thought that she had her hand on it or she

00:42:55.600 was supposed to get it. That's not even why it's wrong. So whatever, finders, keepers, it's a baseball

00:42:59.500 game, guys. I've been around a lot of baseball games, a lot of foul balls and finders keepers

00:43:03.740 in terms of who initially grabs the ball. But do you know what the next part of it is?

00:43:08.320 Foul balls and home run balls are for kids. That's really why she's wrong. And I haven't

00:43:17.260 heard a lot of people point that out. That's the deep level. It's not just, well, the dad should

00:43:22.380 have protected his sons right to the ball or he got it first even. No, no, no. The reason that it

00:43:29.000 was so, so wrong is foul balls and home run balls at baseball games are for kids. When I was a kid,

00:43:35.660 I loved catching them. It was cool. Now I'm an adult. If I were at a baseball game with my kid,

00:43:41.420 I would catch it and I would give it to my kid. If I were at a baseball game alone, I would catch

00:43:45.220 it. I'd be really happy to have caught it. And then I'd give it to the nearest kid around me

00:43:48.480 because they're not for me because I'm an adult and that's what they're for. Okay. Because ball games

00:43:55.800 are about having lots of fun with the whole family and it's especially for the delight of kids.

00:44:00.100 Disneyland. I mean, now look, we live in this culture where most of the people at Disneyland

00:44:04.380 are like fat 45-year-old childless millennials, you know, eating a turkey leg and hugging Mickey. 0.59

00:44:10.820 And that's wrong. It's wrong. You shouldn't be doing that. It's okay to have fun. It's okay to do, 0.96

00:44:15.660 but you got to do it like with your nephew or something. Okay. Or your kids or you can't,

00:44:20.200 that stuff's, Disneyland is not for you when you're an adult without children.

00:44:26.320 The home run ball is not for you when you're an angry middle-aged woman willing to steal it from a 1.00

00:44:31.700 little kid. We have, you know, the nature of a thing largely by what it's for. We have lost a

00:44:39.700 sense of what it's for because we've lost a sense that anything is for anything at all.

00:44:44.340 We think that, you know, I mean, that explains a lot of the weird sex stuff. We, that explains

00:44:48.340 a lot of the social decay and confusion. We just think life is about, you know,

00:44:53.740 tickling ourselves until we get bored enough to just rot. You're here to do stuff. Okay. Speaking

00:45:01.820 of people who are not confused about what life is for, the first millennial saint was canonized over

00:45:08.500 the weekend. This is a Catholic specific story, but I think it has resonance for everybody, Catholic,

00:45:15.440 non-Catholic, even, even non-believers alike. So Carlo Acutis is the first millennial saint.

00:45:22.140 He looks like every other millennial, you know, he like played Pokemon and had computers and wore 0.60

00:45:27.180 polo shirts and he, but he lived a life of heroic virtue. And I won't even get into his whole story

00:45:32.760 here. You can go look it up. It's very interesting. Anyway, he's been canonized as saint. In the church,

00:45:36.780 we believe that anyone in heaven is a saint, but there is a process for a formal canonization

00:45:41.960 so that we can recognize the saints in heaven. We can pray for their intercession, which is an

00:45:46.680 ancient Christian practice consistent throughout 2,000 years. I know some people disagree with it,

00:45:50.540 but it goes all the way back to antiquity and the apostolic age. And in any case, it goes back to

00:45:54.700 Balikarp, actually, you know, praying around the bones of a dead Christian. Anyway, we don't need to 0.97

00:46:00.540 defend the intercession of saints or any of that right now. Just to point out, we have our first

00:46:04.600 millennial saint because there are saints being made every day, because the church goes on and the church

00:46:09.320 advances and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. That's what our Lord promises to his

00:46:13.640 apostles. There was another saint, this guy, Pierre Giorgio Frassati. His cause for sainthood

00:46:19.460 was opened up much earlier. He was a saint from the early 20th century. He's a great saint for our

00:46:24.160 times too, though, now, because he's like a big giga chad who used to climb mountains and stuff and

00:46:28.120 smoke pipes, but also was heroically virtuous. I think he was a third order Dominican, a real macho 1.00

00:46:33.620 kind of guy. These are both great saints for our times. Important to remember that the opportunity

00:46:40.280 for sanctity and virtue is around us all the time. One last point on this, though. There's a picture

00:46:45.560 of the family of Carlo Acutis, because this kid's a millennial, so his family's still alive. His parents

00:46:49.740 and siblings are still alive. They showed up to the canonization mass. It's kind of weird. We canonize

00:46:57.700 people a little faster than we used to in centuries past, so they're there, and that's kind of weird.

00:47:01.440 Someone pointed out on Twitter, said, it's strange because they look sad, but your kid is being

00:47:07.820 declared a saint by the church, so if you believe this, then your son is now a very powerful figure

00:47:14.580 in heaven in the presence of God, and you should be so happy, right? I don't know. They might just

00:47:20.000 be somber because it's a solemn occasion, but they might be sad. It's hard to totally read their faces,

00:47:26.100 and they might be sad, and it makes sense that they're sad because they're human. We're human.

00:47:33.160 We're still in this world, and Christianity is not an unreal religion. It's not an unnatural religion.

00:47:38.280 It doesn't contradict nature, human nature or physical nature. Grace perfects nature,

00:47:44.480 but it recognizes the fallenness of this world. Christ weeps. It's the shortest verse of the Bible.

00:47:49.100 Jesus wept when his friend died, right before he raises his friend from the dead, but he still

00:47:54.260 weeps, and these people can still be sad too because if you're a Catholic or some versions

00:48:02.440 of Protestant, and your baptized young child dies, God forbid, you will be certain. You will feel 100% 0.99

00:48:12.900 certain that your child is in heaven in the presence of God, has salvation, is good.

00:48:20.000 You can feel more certain of that than if an adult dies at the age of 80.

00:48:24.620 So on the one hand, shouldn't you be so happy? Why aren't you just happy, clappy dancing when your

00:48:28.480 kid dies? Because you miss your kid. Because you miss your kid. Because that's just a fact of the world.

00:48:33.580 And true religion, in my experience, is the kind of religion that makes sense of human nature.

00:48:38.260 It's not the kind of religion that denies human nature. It's not happy, clappy all the time. It's 0.98

00:48:44.440 not, you know, putting a forced smile plastered on your face. It's not saccharine. It's not sentimental.

00:48:49.540 It's real. It speaks to the reality, to the core of human nature, and points a persuasive direction

00:48:56.200 toward overcoming the world. But living within the world, accepting reality, and pointing to,

00:49:03.980 pointing, not contradicting the natural, but pointing toward the supernatural, which perfects,

00:49:08.260 perfects nature. Okay. That's our show. I have so much more to say. I have so much more to say.

00:49:14.940 But we're going to have to get to it tomorrow, because today's Music Monday. The rest of the

00:49:17.620 show continues now. You do not want to miss it. Become a member. Use code

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00:49:38.260 Thank you.

The Michael Knowles Show - September 08, 2025

Ep. 1809 - Train Stabbing Of 23-Year-Old Ukrainian Woman Explained

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