The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1813 - What Happens After Charlie Kirk？

00:00:00.000 Charlie Kirk's killer has reportedly been found. The authorities have announced a press conference.

00:00:05.560 The press conference should begin momentarily. We ordinarily do not do this show live on all

00:00:11.580 of the platforms. We ordinarily only do this show live to the Daily Wire audience. Obviously,

00:00:16.400 given the circumstances, we will be live. We are waiting on that press conference

00:00:20.040 immediately. No matter what we find out from that press conference, the question on everyone's mind

00:00:26.020 is, what happens now? The vice president of the United States has personally escorted Charlie's

00:00:33.220 remains back home. The FBI may have found the assassin. There will be a long prosecution,

00:00:40.800 a lot of interesting information that's come out even just this morning out of that.

00:00:44.880 The rest of us are trying to figure out how to uphold Charlie's legacy and pull our country back

00:00:52.880 from what just about everyone feels is the brink. And I fear that many people are drawing precisely

00:01:00.220 the wrong conclusions. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:22.080 Welcome back to the show. Things are moving very, very quickly. As you know, as of last night,

00:01:28.800 the assassin, the suspect was still at large. The FBI had discovered the weapon. The FBI had

00:01:37.160 discovered some footprints. The FBI had discovered some grainy pictures. But they were calling on the

00:01:44.460 entire country to help out with the search. They appear to have found someone. President Trump

00:01:51.800 appeared this morning on Fox and Friends to give just some of the details.

00:01:55.500 I don't want to go too far. I'd like to tell you some stories that how it happened. But essentially,

00:02:01.560 somebody that was very close to him turned him in. And that happens when you had some of those good

00:02:06.740 shots. Somebody is going to say, whether it's a parent or whatever, I'd rather not say right now,

00:02:11.420 they're going to announce it today, sometime later, probably talk about that. But somebody close to

00:02:15.980 him turned him in. You know, they said, whoa, it's interesting. Well, we had very good pictures,

00:02:22.120 but not great, not perfect. And when you look at it, what happened is somebody, and this happens a

00:02:29.280 lot. It happened with the crazy Boston bomber. It happened with others. Somebody that's close

00:02:33.920 recognizes even a little tilt of the head, which nobody else would do. And somebody that was very

00:02:39.220 close to him said, hmm, that's him. And essentially went to the father, went to a U.S. marshal,

00:02:49.900 who was fantastic, by the way. And the person was involved with law enforcement, but was a

00:02:55.100 person of faith, a minister, and brought him to a U.S. marshal, who was fantastic. And the father

00:03:03.740 convinced the son, this is it. And so the president here saying someone who was close to the shooter

00:03:11.740 turned him in, or rather someone who was close to the shooter notified the father,

00:03:17.640 and then he was apprehended. The reporting that's coming out right now is that the suspect's father

00:03:23.700 was able to secure him, and that it was the suspect's father who called law enforcement.

00:03:31.180 Again, we're waiting. We're probably just a few minutes out now from the press conference where

00:03:37.200 we're going to learn a lot more. But if that was in fact the case, it raises this question.

00:03:42.380 Why would the father tune in? I think we're getting law enforcement here addressing the crowd. Let's

00:03:48.640 get to it. Nope, that was a fake out. Okay, we have a five-minute warning on the press conference.

00:04:01.580 So the question that is raised is, well, why would the father turn the suspect in? And

00:04:06.600 one, you could say, well, it's because of justice, it's because of morality, it's because

00:04:11.680 he believes the suspect committed cold-blooded murder. It might also come from a place of

00:04:18.460 paternal care, because the way that this was more likely to end was with that suspect being dead.

00:04:25.280 And if the suspect were found dead or retrieved dead, that would make this national tragedy

00:04:34.700 so much worse. There would be so many more questions. There would be so much more doubt

00:04:41.200 in a country that already does not trust one another. I'll get to the implications of all of

00:04:47.920 this after we hear from the authorities. I'll get to the media reaction. I'll get to what this says

00:04:53.860 about our political culture. I'll get to what I think is the path forward, because I think a lot

00:04:59.480 of people are drawing the wrong conclusions. But just for right now, I want to focus on who this

00:05:05.080 person could be. The FBI released video last night of the suspected shooter. They had video from around

00:05:12.660 the Utah campus. The shooter was up on the roof, shot Charlie, and then immediately fled off the roof,

00:05:19.820 jumped down. Here's the video that we had last night.

00:05:21.940 The details that are going to follow this, you're going to see a very distinctive t-shirt with an

00:05:27.480 American flag. It appears to have an eagle on it. There's also a baseball cap with a triangle on it

00:05:33.160 and a pair of sunglasses. All distinctive, all the things that we would ask the public to look for

00:05:38.520 and try to identify if they know someone who has those items, who has been seen wearing those items.

00:05:45.540 We're looking for all that information. Please pay close attention to the t-shirt. Like I said,

00:05:50.060 very distinctive with that American flag and that eagle. The hat with the triangle and the

00:05:55.780 sunglasses. You'll go to the next picture.

00:05:58.100 So this comes out last night, and I know a lot of people look at it and say, well, how are you

00:06:01.340 supposed to tell who that is? It's a grainy photograph. This guy's covered up with a hat,

00:06:06.320 with sunglasses. President Trump made the point, well, you know, sometimes if it's a loved one,

00:06:12.400 if it's someone you know, even just a little tilt of the head, you say, that's the person. Or,

00:06:15.620 as the FBI is saying here, I recognize those shoes. Oh, I recognize that shirt. And so

00:06:21.240 because the suspect was able to escape, a lot of people were just called upon to give any

00:06:31.160 information they can. This is why, not that we want to include the photograph of the shooter in

00:06:36.740 the show. But if the suspect is at large, if anyone has any additional information,

00:06:43.200 this was a plea by the government to a country that is obviously fractured, that is increasingly

00:06:51.360 fractured, in which a large portion of the country celebrated the cold-blooded murder of a man who just

00:06:56.560 wanted to go talk it out on campuses with his opponents graciously and generously. This was a plea

00:07:02.120 to say, hey, if we have any common humanity left, if we have any shared community left,

00:07:07.540 we need your help. We cannot do it alone. You have to reach out. And reportedly,

00:07:12.680 that is exactly what happened. That someone close to the shooter contacted the father.

00:07:18.440 The father reportedly called authorities and said, I have secured my son. This raises questions too.

00:07:23.920 Does it mean I'm distracting my son until you get here? Does this mean that I'm physically

00:07:28.240 restraining my son? Does this mean I'm locking my son in a room? We just don't know. We're waiting

00:07:34.520 now on all of that. What we do know is what the Utah governor promised yesterday, which is that the

00:07:40.980 death penalty will be pursued. This would appear to be appropriate, to put it diplomatically.

00:07:48.960 And there are many people on the right. I don't know if I'll say many. No, there are. There are,

00:07:55.940 really. There's a growing number of people on the right who are opposed to the death penalty.

00:08:00.560 And I think it's important to ask ourselves why we have the death penalty. We have the death penalty

00:08:05.960 for three different reasons. Retributive justice, most importantly, if you do something wrong,

00:08:11.360 that is why you are punished. It's not merely rehabilitation. It's not merely deterrent. It's

00:08:16.640 retributive justice. You do something wrong, justice demands you be punished in some way.

00:08:20.460 It is deterrence to turn people away from doing these crimes, to discourage them.

00:08:28.060 And it is rehabilitation, as Dr. Johnson points out. Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he's

00:08:33.560 to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully. Those are the three reasons.

00:08:38.280 The modern argument against the death penalty is that, practically speaking, we don't need it anymore.

00:08:43.660 We live in this modern society. We can lock people up very well. And so you don't really need it.

00:08:47.560 That prudential argument is beginning to fray. As we let criminals off the hook,

00:08:53.960 as we have mainstream calls to abolish prisons, as we have this kind of violence and terrorism

00:08:59.400 spreading, not merely the targeted assassinations as happened to Charlie, but regular old street crime,

00:09:05.320 women being set on fire in New York City subway cars, women refugees being stabbed in the neck

00:09:10.320 on Charlotte trains. As this is creeping up, it begins to weaken the prudential argument against

00:09:17.940 the death penalty. Because increasingly, people cannot trust the criminal justice system

00:09:22.700 to lock away the bad guys, to protect society from the evildoers.

00:09:27.660 And so I think you might be seeing a return to a more classical and traditional conception of

00:09:32.160 justice and morality. At the very least, that's what you're getting in Utah.

00:09:34.860 And I think most people are quite all right with that. Now, the rest of what's occurred

00:09:44.740 concerns Charlie himself. And I know a lot of people were really choked up yesterday because

00:09:50.900 Charlie's remains were flown from Utah to Phoenix, Phoenix, which is his home.

00:09:59.600 And not only were they returned there, they were returned on Air Force Two, the vice president's

00:10:05.880 airplane. Not only were they returned on Air Force Two, which is a great and fitting honor,

00:10:11.480 but the vice president himself helped to carry the casket onto the airplane.

00:10:16.500 For those of you who are only listening, there's JD front right side of the casket

00:10:31.440 carrying his friend's body. The vice president and Charlie Kirk were quite close all the way onto

00:10:38.740 the airplane. A beautiful gesture from the vice president and one that is not only fitting at a

00:10:48.260 personal level, but is fitting from a political and public level. Because Charlie was not only a

00:10:56.540 public figure, but he was one of the most important political figures in the entire country.

00:11:02.560 Even though he didn't hold office, even though he didn't pass laws. Maybe because he didn't hold

00:11:09.060 office and pass laws. But I think it's no exaggeration to say a member of the cabinet could

00:11:15.840 have been assassinated, God forbid. It would have been much less politically significant than Charlie

00:11:21.420 Kirk being assassinated. And I'm counting both parties in this, really. He wasn't a governor,

00:11:29.460 he wasn't a senator, he didn't hold office, and yet he was much more politically influential and

00:11:33.900 significant in the minds of people than any of them. And on top of all of that, he was a symbol of

00:11:43.740 what many, many people wish for in this country, which is open dialogue, respectful, generous,

00:11:49.560 gracious exchange, trying to talk it out, hear out the other side. He was a symbol of that.

00:11:56.300 And both of these things come together when you look at someone like the vice president. Because

00:12:02.460 just at a personal level, I know that Charlie's death has seriously affected many, many millions

00:12:08.820 of people, not only in America, but around the world. And we'll get to some of those tributes that

00:12:12.720 have come in in a little bit. But also, he was a personal friend to a lot of us. He was a personal

00:12:20.860 friend to a lot of us. He had a lot of friends. And a lot of those people who have public roles

00:12:28.820 know him, know what a good guy he was, know his innocence, and are feeling very personally

00:12:38.240 the injustice of their friend being murdered. That adds on to all of it.

00:12:43.860 And everyone else could feel that too. So the vice president helps to carry Charlie's casket

00:12:51.760 onto Air Force Two. Air Force Two then lands in Phoenix. This is what Phoenix Air Traffic

00:12:57.480 Control had to say when the plane landed.

00:13:02.860 Welcome home, Charlie. You didn't deserve it. May God bless your family.

00:13:05.880 Beautiful tribute, even from air traffic control.

00:13:15.480 Welcome home, Charlie. You didn't deserve it. God bless you and your family.

00:13:21.300 Charlie's widow, Erica, was walking down the plane holding hands with the second lady of the 0.99

00:13:26.360 United States, Usha Vance. Not just even air traffic control. You know, I mentioned the day

00:13:32.260 that Charlie was murdered. The Yankee Stadium held a moment of silence for him before the game.

00:13:40.180 And I thought that was really astounding. Not just because I'm a Yankee fan. Love the Yankees. But

00:13:44.800 I said, oh, wow. It's not just the American right that is saying nice things about him. It's not just

00:13:50.580 the president of the United States and the vice president who are saying nice things about him.

00:13:54.100 It's all of the other presidents in both parties. It's multiple heads of government from around the

00:14:00.340 world. I said, oh, my goodness. It's even cultural institutions like the Yankees. The Yankees,

00:14:06.940 though, a little secret is they've always trended a little bit more conservative.

00:14:11.160 Even last night, the NFL, which is a downright leftist league, you know,

00:14:17.020 the leading the charge on disrespecting the American flag and BLM and all the rest of it.

00:14:22.620 The NFL had a moment of silence.

00:14:27.220 The National Football League asks that you please join us in a moment of silent reflection

00:14:31.300 following the murder of Charlie Kirk. The NFL condemns all violence in our communities.

00:14:36.540 It will take all of us to stop hate. Thank you.

00:14:40.840 That really struck me. I think you are seeing from the prominent institutions,

00:14:52.440 from the really prominent individuals, a recognition that the United States is on the brink.

00:14:59.940 We are on the brink of something. Civil wars have started for less. No exaggeration. I am not one for

00:15:06.140 hyperbolic talk or about civil war or any. I am not. I am not that guy.

00:15:13.060 But it's not just me who recognizes this here. I think it's the NFL. I think it's all the major

00:15:20.080 politicians. I think it's the parties. There has been a sense that, wow, you know, even people who

00:15:25.920 have contributed to this nasty environment, this environment that would become increasingly

00:15:32.940 violent with private violence, vigilante violence, trying to attack people for what their mere

00:15:40.100 opinions, mainstream opinions at that, that, yikes, maybe we don't really want to go down this path.

00:15:46.440 There has been a reasonable amount of responsibility from almost every institution,

00:15:51.340 with one exception, with one exception, and that is the left-wing media.

00:15:56.820 I mentioned yesterday on the show, I said, everyone is going to be

00:16:01.340 invading and with great anger about the horrific reactions from the left-wing media

00:16:09.040 to Charlie's murder. I said, today is not that day. I said, yesterday is a day to mourn the man

00:16:17.000 and to grieve, and there's an order to these things, and it's natural and it's good.

00:16:21.960 I said, all of that is for tomorrow. Okay, we won't forget it. We won't let it slip.

00:16:30.660 Our blood will boil on simmer for 24 hours as we mourn Charlie. We'll get to that tomorrow. Well,

00:16:37.340 tomorrow is here. That's very, very important to pay attention to what elite liberal media had to say

00:16:47.520 about this. Not some fringe stuff. I'm not pulling up all of the degenerate leftists on

00:16:53.180 Twitch or whatever. I'm not. I'm not finding the most sensationalist small potato that I can find.

00:17:01.120 I am pointing to the major networks. Here we have MSNBC's reaction.

00:17:08.660 In which a shooting like this happens. Yeah, and again, I emphasize what you just emphasized. We

00:17:16.960 don't know any full details of this. We don't know if this was a supporter shooting their gun off

00:17:21.760 in celebration, so we have no idea. That was Matthew Dowd, MSNBC contributor. Charlie Kirk is shot.

00:17:30.000 Everyone sees it on all the cameras. It's shot through the neck. And I think most people,

00:17:39.260 the moment they saw the video, recognized he was almost certainly dead.

00:17:43.600 And the left-wing official news analysts' immediate reaction on the left-wing news network was,

00:17:52.900 well, I mean, who knows? Maybe it was a supporter shooting off his gun in celebration.

00:18:00.000 I can't, I can't tell if that displays a level, an almost criminal, at least culpable level of

00:18:11.160 ignorance, or if that was snark. Was that sarcasm? Was that a little jibe about gun control? I don't

00:18:19.180 know. Those rube idiots, those rube idiots who follow those right-wing speakers like Charlie Kirk, 1.00

00:18:24.940 maybe they were just shooting their guns off like Mexican banditos in celebration. 1.00

00:18:29.200 I can't tell, and I don't know what's worse. I don't know if this guy really has nothing between

00:18:35.420 the ears. Just wind whistling through, that would be bad enough. Or did he actually try to get a

00:18:44.360 little barb in at Charlie, or at least Charlie's supporters, as the man was bleeding to death,

00:18:51.260 probably at that point already murdered. I think the charitable view to this guy's intellect is

00:19:00.520 that it was the latter. But the charitable guy, the charitable view to this guy's soul,

00:19:06.140 to this guy's character, would be the, it's unthinkable. Matthew Dowd then goes on. And I think

00:19:14.260 maybe this clip actually reveals a little bit more of where he's coming from.

00:19:17.020 But following up what was just said, he's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive

00:19:23.560 younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed

00:19:30.740 at certain groups. And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to

00:19:38.840 hateful actions. Vomit inducing, vomit inducing behavior from, from MSNBC and from this person.

00:19:48.500 Because he, he says in a way you have to be grateful to him because he is articulating what

00:19:54.220 a lot of liberals, even mainstream liberals have said, and at least thought privately.

00:19:58.220 And he's just saying it out loud explicitly. He says, well, you know, uh, yes, that a young man,

00:20:03.440 that 31 year old father of two married boy scout who only ever wanted to talk it out with his

00:20:09.140 opponents in a gracious way. He's very divisive. That's a, that's your first reaction. Well,

00:20:15.320 you're, he's very, how's he divisive? By the way, give me an example of a divisive thing.

00:20:20.180 Charlie said friends with Charlie for a long time. I know all the things you're going to point.

00:20:24.600 You're going to say, well, he says that men and women are different.

00:20:27.980 Maybe that is divisive today. Wasn't divisive eight years ago. Well, he says we should protect

00:20:37.080 babies in the womb. We shouldn't murder them. Maybe that's divisive today by today's standards.

00:20:45.340 Didn't used to be for statistically all of American history. That wasn't divisive at all.

00:20:50.600 Any even slightly moral person would have agreed with that. Even slightly moral, even accidentally

00:20:57.000 moral person would have agreed with that. Now I guess that's considered divisive. Even after that

00:21:02.840 became divisive, quote unquote, at the very least people, uh, didn't think you should be murdered for

00:21:09.100 expressing that opinion. But then MSNBC goes further. MSNBC says, says the quiet part out loud says,

00:21:17.540 well, you know, look, this kind of rhetoric leads to these kinds of feelings,

00:21:21.340 leads to these kinds of actions. He had it coming. That's what they're saying in not quite so many

00:21:31.000 words, but that is directly what they're saying. Well, he had it coming. That was MSNBC's first

00:21:36.300 reaction. And it's such a gut punch. Very little surprises me in politics. And I knew that these guys

00:21:44.480 kind of thought that I suspected they kind of thought that, but that is such a gut punch, man.

00:21:49.740 A 31 year old father of two married sweet guy, moderate, nice as mainstream as they get as

00:21:57.020 gracious as they get gets murdered in cold blood on television front of his wife. And his kids are

00:22:01.660 going to have to watch that. And your first reaction is, yeah, well, what do you, yeah,

00:22:06.640 he had it coming. He had it coming. He did it. He deserved it. That's what he said. That's what MSNBC said.

00:22:12.400 Sickening. And it's a gut punch, not merely because of this lunatic television network 0.99

00:22:19.460 that is somehow still on the airwaves, but it's because it wasn't just them.

00:22:25.800 It's because it was the media more broadly. You want to go past MSNBC? I have the New York

00:22:34.980 Times right here. Now here's how the New York Times covered it. A correction was made on September 11th,

00:22:40.780 2025. An earlier version of this article described incorrectly an anti-Semitic statement that Charlie

00:22:49.880 Kirk had made on an episode of his podcast. Hold on, wait, what? Man, you can call Charlie Kirk a lot

00:22:56.880 of things. Calling him an anti-Semite? Are you insane? Anyone, you don't have to be his friend.

00:23:02.740 Anyone who has ever followed him for one second knows. He's been quite a supporter of the Jewish

00:23:10.800 people and of the state of Israel. What could they be talking about? New York Times, paper of record,

00:23:17.420 the gray lady. An earlier version of this article described incorrectly an anti-Semitic statement that

00:23:21.560 Charlie Kirk had made on an episode of his podcast. He was quoting a statement from a post on social media

00:23:27.260 and went on to critique it. It was not his own statement.

00:23:40.500 Young man, totally innocent, murdered in cold blood by, it would appear, a political opponent.

00:23:48.640 Maybe a political opponent who reads the New York Times.

00:23:51.860 Gunned down for expressing his views and mainstream views at that. 0.91

00:23:58.940 And you say, yeah, well, you know, he's probably a Jew hater. 0.96

00:24:02.280 Yeah, he's a Jew hater, Charlie Kirk. He's an anti-Semite. 0.99

00:24:06.400 Oh, he's like the head of the Ku Klux Klan, isn't he? 1.00

00:24:09.240 Like a Nazi. Oh, sorry, correction. 0.80

00:24:13.680 And even the correction is so nauseating.

00:24:17.380 Listen to the first statement. An earlier version of this article

00:24:19.480 described incorrectly, an anti-Semitic statement that Charlie Kirk had made.

00:24:22.960 He didn't make the statement. He didn't make,

00:24:25.640 your correction needs a correction.

00:24:28.420 You could say an anti-Semitic statement

00:24:30.760 that Charlie Kirk read.

00:24:32.980 You can say an anti-Semitic statement

00:24:35.020 that Charlie Kirk reported on.

00:24:37.020 It's not a statement that he made.

00:24:38.840 A statement that you make is one

00:24:41.060 of your own making.

00:24:44.140 Even

00:24:44.620 the correction is calumny.

00:24:46.640 From the New York Times.

00:24:49.820 Don't just say it's, well, that's some

00:24:51.220 left-wing streamer

00:24:52.700 on Blue Sky or on Twitch or on whatever.

00:24:55.880 Oh, well, okay, maybe it's not that.

00:24:57.500 Maybe it's, but that's just that

00:24:58.620 left-wing cable network, MSNBC.

00:25:00.600 It's the New York Times.

00:25:03.000 It's their most prestigious

00:25:04.580 news outlet.

00:25:08.580 It's their correction.

00:25:12.340 Is to slander,

00:25:13.640 to libel, to calumniate him.

00:25:15.000 These are the mainstream

00:25:20.620 elite

00:25:21.880 places.

00:25:24.740 By the way,

00:25:25.520 before we let MSNBC off the hook,

00:25:27.120 it's not even just Matthew Dow.

00:25:28.240 We're getting,

00:25:28.580 the press conference,

00:25:29.300 we've been given

00:25:29.740 just a minute or two warning here.

00:25:32.780 It's not even just

00:25:34.080 the

00:25:35.140 analysts

00:25:37.820 who come on MSNBC.

00:25:38.940 There's an MSNBC anchor

00:25:39.900 who came out

00:25:41.120 and decided to criticize Charlie Kirk

00:25:43.540 the moment this happened.

00:25:46.160 Yeah, we're showing, by the way,

00:25:47.560 our affiliate in Utah

00:25:48.640 and the aftermath

00:25:50.660 of the shooting.

00:25:52.400 You could see people

00:25:53.160 running away pretty quickly,

00:25:54.560 as you would imagine

00:25:55.300 they would do

00:25:55.880 at gunshots.

00:25:58.280 The FBI director,

00:25:59.460 Kash Patel,

00:26:00.440 has weighed in on this.

00:26:02.660 He just tweeted the following.

00:26:03.800 We're closely monitoring reports

00:26:05.240 of the tragic shooting

00:26:06.220 involving Charlie Kirk

00:26:07.500 at Utah Valley University.

00:26:09.500 Our thoughts are with Charlie,

00:26:10.940 his loved ones,

00:26:11.840 and everyone affected.

00:26:12.840 Agents will be on the scene quickly

00:26:14.220 and the FBI stands

00:26:15.840 in full support

00:26:16.580 of the ongoing response

00:26:18.060 and the investigation.

00:26:20.100 Charlie Kirk is a divisive figure,

00:26:22.140 polarizing,

00:26:23.440 lightning rod,

00:26:24.020 whatever term you want to use.

00:26:25.440 Why?

00:26:27.140 Well, he's one of MAGA's

00:26:28.860 most prominent voices online.

00:26:32.140 Your first reaction,

00:26:33.500 again,

00:26:33.740 not just an analyst here,

00:26:35.480 you're talking about

00:26:35.880 an anchor for the network.

00:26:37.200 Your first reaction is,

00:26:40.240 okay,

00:26:40.560 he's been shot,

00:26:41.320 people are fleeing,

00:26:42.420 might be dead,

00:26:43.440 looks like he's dead.

00:26:45.480 Charlie Kirk's a divisive figure.

00:26:47.340 He's real polarizing.

00:26:52.700 That's the story.

00:26:53.860 Got it.

00:26:56.100 I'm not even going to mention,

00:26:59.400 well,

00:26:59.620 I suppose I'll mention,

00:27:00.560 I'm not going to look at

00:27:01.840 or discuss at length

00:27:02.900 the ubiquity

00:27:05.320 of the negative comments

00:27:07.860 about Charlie Kirk

00:27:08.600 from the political left

00:27:10.500 throughout social media.

00:27:13.280 The many celebrations,

00:27:16.460 the other news networks

00:27:17.860 where cheers could be heard,

00:27:22.120 followed by official denials.

00:27:25.840 I'm not going to mention

00:27:27.360 or at least speak at length

00:27:29.220 about the additional threats

00:27:31.960 that have come against

00:27:33.360 conservative communicators,

00:27:36.660 political figures,

00:27:37.800 and the like.

00:27:39.240 All over the place.

00:27:42.200 These are the mainstream

00:27:44.120 elite places.

00:27:46.800 Up to and including

00:27:48.060 elected officials.

00:27:50.260 Ilhan Omar,

00:27:51.260 sitting member of Congress,

00:27:52.560 very prominent

00:27:53.200 Democrat member of Congress.

00:27:54.800 Here's what she had to say.

00:27:57.240 Charlie was someone

00:27:58.480 who was willing to

00:28:00.120 debate and downplay

00:28:02.300 the death of George Floyd

00:28:04.040 in the hands

00:28:05.080 of Minneapolis police.

00:28:06.340 I think you called him 0.99

00:28:06.780 a scumbag. 1.00

00:28:07.640 Right. 1.00

00:28:08.000 Have no regard.

00:28:09.780 Downplay slavery

00:28:10.800 and what black people

00:28:12.080 have gone through

00:28:12.840 in this country

00:28:14.080 by saying Juneteen

00:28:16.000 should never exist.

00:28:18.500 And I think,

00:28:19.820 you know,

00:28:20.120 there are a lot of people

00:28:21.520 who are out there

00:28:22.380 talking about him

00:28:23.660 just wanting to have

00:28:24.480 a civil debate.

00:28:26.700 A complete rewriting

00:28:27.520 of history.

00:28:29.160 Yeah,

00:28:29.880 there is nothing

00:28:30.680 more effed up,

00:28:32.620 you know,

00:28:33.020 like,

00:28:33.660 than to completely pretend

00:28:36.700 that,

00:28:37.960 you know,

00:28:38.220 his words and actions

00:28:39.820 have not been recorded

00:28:42.280 and in existence

00:28:44.620 for the last decade

00:28:47.040 or so.

00:28:49.500 Someone murdered

00:28:50.460 Charlie Kirk

00:28:51.140 because he didn't like

00:28:52.120 what he had to say.

00:28:53.660 As Charlie was

00:28:54.660 respectfully engaging

00:28:55.740 with people

00:28:56.280 on a college campus

00:28:57.420 with his opponents.

00:28:58.460 But that's the core

00:28:59.580 of the story.

00:29:00.440 Someone murdered

00:29:01.280 Charlie Kirk

00:29:02.020 because he didn't like

00:29:03.740 what Charlie Kirk

00:29:04.620 had to say.

00:29:06.420 A sitting member

00:29:07.580 of Congress,

00:29:08.620 a very prominent member

00:29:09.880 of the Democrat Party,

00:29:11.440 sits down next to

00:29:12.380 whatever that guy's name is.

00:29:13.460 I forget his name,

00:29:14.220 but I've seen him before.

00:29:15.280 He's been around

00:29:16.360 the liberal media

00:29:16.980 for a long time.

00:29:19.380 And they both say,

00:29:21.320 yeah,

00:29:22.200 we don't like

00:29:22.820 what Charlie Kirk

00:29:23.500 had to say.

00:29:25.020 Full stop.

00:29:25.680 Notice Ilhan Omar

00:29:27.920 didn't say,

00:29:28.660 well,

00:29:28.780 I might not like

00:29:29.700 what Charlie Kirk

00:29:30.200 had to say,

00:29:30.780 but it was so terribly

00:29:31.720 wrong to murder him.

00:29:33.180 And this is

00:29:34.400 what Charlie Kirk

00:29:35.320 was saying

00:29:35.900 was within the mainstream

00:29:37.280 of,

00:29:38.140 and really,

00:29:39.500 even if he were

00:29:40.040 on the fringe,

00:29:40.560 we shouldn't murder him

00:29:41.360 for his points of view.

00:29:42.540 No, no, no.

00:29:44.080 No, no, no.

00:29:44.980 Her reaction was, 0.81

00:29:46.260 yeah, yeah,

00:29:46.580 but he said

00:29:47.140 really disgusting stuff.

00:29:48.760 As if,

00:29:49.540 as if to say,

00:29:50.520 the obvious implication

00:29:51.780 of what she's saying is,

00:29:53.820 yeah,

00:29:55.020 he had it coming.

00:29:57.540 See,

00:29:57.980 Ilhan,

00:29:58.340 don't you think

00:29:58.760 it's wrong 0.96

00:29:59.180 to murder a young man

00:30:00.420 who doesn't hold 0.94

00:30:01.460 any political office,

00:30:02.280 who's just having conversations?

00:30:03.560 Don't you think

00:30:03.980 it's wrong 0.97

00:30:04.400 to murder a young man

00:30:05.500 for his opinions?

00:30:07.160 And her response is,

00:30:08.000 yeah,

00:30:08.180 he had really bad opinions,

00:30:09.540 though.

00:30:10.520 You know?

00:30:11.400 I mean,

00:30:12.060 hey,

00:30:12.400 let's not rewrite history.

00:30:13.900 I really didn't like

00:30:14.940 his opinions.

00:30:16.280 And then,

00:30:17.740 whatever that guy's name is,

00:30:19.060 the liberal anchor,

00:30:19.880 he says,

00:30:20.140 no,

00:30:20.500 it's complete.

00:30:21.220 He has terrible opinions,

00:30:22.560 had terrible opinions.

00:30:23.760 And people are saying,

00:30:25.440 they're trying to diminish now

00:30:26.780 how bad his opinions were.

00:30:28.040 I hated his opinions.

00:30:29.180 I hated them.

00:30:29.780 They were really bad.

00:30:30.440 That's not the point.

00:30:33.440 Pardon me.

00:30:34.700 It's not the point.

00:30:37.520 The whole argument

00:30:39.280 that

00:30:41.360 the even slightly reasonable

00:30:44.820 and moral people

00:30:46.760 in this country

00:30:47.360 are making right now

00:30:48.820 is that you should not

00:30:50.160 be murdered

00:30:51.140 in cold blood 0.98

00:30:53.340 for expressing

00:30:54.780 your opinion.

00:30:56.040 And Ilhan Omar

00:30:56.780 is saying,

00:30:57.400 well,

00:30:57.640 actually,

00:30:58.120 maybe,

00:30:58.440 yes,

00:30:58.640 you should.

00:30:59.380 That's her implication.

00:31:00.920 Her not so subtle

00:31:02.200 insinuation.

00:31:04.460 If she agreed

00:31:05.580 with the reasonable

00:31:06.840 and moral people,

00:31:07.660 she would say,

00:31:09.100 well,

00:31:09.280 yes,

00:31:09.500 of course,

00:31:09.820 no matter what he says,

00:31:11.040 no matter how awful

00:31:12.840 I find his opinions,

00:31:13.840 of course,

00:31:14.380 he shouldn't be murdered

00:31:15.040 for them.

00:31:15.440 For her reaction

00:31:17.980 to be,

00:31:18.700 well,

00:31:18.840 no,

00:31:18.960 no,

00:31:19.040 no,

00:31:19.260 he had really bad opinions,

00:31:21.040 is to accept

00:31:23.140 the premise

00:31:24.120 that under certain

00:31:26.580 circumstances,

00:31:27.400 at least, 0.98

00:31:27.740 one ought to be murdered 1.00

00:31:28.660 for expressing 0.99

00:31:29.380 his simple opinions.

00:31:32.560 Sitting member of Congress,

00:31:34.140 one of the faces

00:31:34.800 of the Democrat Party,

00:31:36.460 that guy's name,

00:31:37.280 whose name I forget,

00:31:38.380 but whoever that guy is,

00:31:39.780 he's been on

00:31:40.360 a lot of networks before.

00:31:42.000 I've seen his face.

00:31:42.860 I think we are now

00:31:46.520 getting the press conference.

00:31:47.800 We'll get to what happens now,

00:31:48.760 because I think people

00:31:49.260 are drawing a totally

00:31:50.420 wrong conclusion.

00:31:51.560 We'll get to the press conference.

00:31:53.520 Good morning,

00:31:54.280 ladies and gentlemen.

00:31:55.540 We got him.

00:31:57.580 On the evening

00:31:58.440 of September 11th,

00:32:00.400 a family member

00:32:01.280 reached out

00:32:01.860 to a family friend

00:32:03.120 who contacted

00:32:04.340 the Washington County

00:32:05.320 Sheriff's Office

00:32:06.000 with information.

00:32:07.600 I know there has been

00:32:08.280 speculation as well

00:32:09.700 as to the writing

00:32:12.320 on those casings,

00:32:14.960 those bullet casings,

00:32:18.180 and I believe

00:32:19.300 we have that as well.

00:32:21.820 And I will share

00:32:22.660 that with you now.

00:32:24.120 Investigators noted

00:32:25.040 inscriptions

00:32:25.600 that had been engraved

00:32:26.740 on casings

00:32:27.520 found with the rifle.

00:32:30.060 Inscriptions

00:32:30.480 on a fired casing

00:32:32.320 read,

00:32:33.500 Notices Bulges,

00:32:35.400 capital O-W-O,

00:32:37.440 what's this question mark?

00:32:39.360 Inscriptions

00:32:39.780 on the three

00:32:40.580 unfired casings

00:32:41.780 read, 0.98

00:32:42.740 Hey, fascist, 0.97

00:32:43.560 exclamation point, 0.99

00:32:45.060 catch,

00:32:45.580 exclamation point,

00:32:47.460 up arrow symbol,

00:32:48.720 right arrow,

00:32:50.080 and three down arrow symbols.

00:32:53.540 A second unfired casing

00:32:55.040 read,

00:32:55.880 Oh, Bella,

00:32:56.440 Chow,

00:32:57.120 Bella,

00:32:57.440 Chow,

00:32:58.060 Bella,

00:32:58.360 Chow,

00:32:58.860 Chow,

00:32:59.220 Chow,

00:32:59.520 and a third unfired

00:33:01.360 casing read,

00:33:02.360 if you read this, 1.00

00:33:03.460 you are gay, 1.00

00:33:04.660 L-M-A-O. 1.00

00:33:06.280 I will leave that up to you

00:33:07.480 to interpret what those

00:33:08.420 engravings mean.

00:33:09.860 I think the clearest one

00:33:11.680 that says catch fascist,

00:33:13.960 there's not,

00:33:15.400 and by the way,

00:33:16.040 that's like catch like a ball,

00:33:17.620 catch this.

00:33:19.240 That's,

00:33:20.040 I think that speaks for itself.

00:33:21.800 We do not at this time

00:33:33.080 have any information

00:33:34.020 that would lead to

00:33:34.760 any additional arrests.

00:33:37.120 Yes,

00:33:38.360 but the investigation

00:33:39.580 is ongoing.

00:33:40.720 We are not wired

00:33:41.820 as human beings

00:33:42.900 biologically,

00:33:46.080 historically.

00:33:48.720 We have not evolved

00:33:50.080 in a way

00:33:52.020 that we are capable

00:33:54.880 of processing

00:33:55.640 those types

00:33:56.460 of violent imagery,

00:33:57.720 and by the way,

00:33:58.320 we've seen another one

00:33:59.060 with a gruesome stabbing

00:34:00.100 very recently

00:34:00.980 that went viral.

00:34:02.420 This is not good for us.

00:34:04.360 It is not good to consume.

00:34:06.240 Social media is a cancer

00:34:07.640 on our society right now,

00:34:09.260 and I would encourage,

00:34:10.660 again,

00:34:11.080 I would encourage people

00:34:11.900 to log off,

00:34:12.640 turn off,

00:34:13.280 touch grass,

00:34:14.160 hug a family member,

00:34:15.260 go out and do good

00:34:15.820 in your community.

00:34:17.440 Really

00:34:17.880 unbelievable press conference

00:34:20.180 from the governor there

00:34:21.320 and from Kash Patel,

00:34:22.280 the FBI director.

00:34:23.620 We got a lot of information.

00:34:25.920 We got a lot of information

00:34:27.280 about the shooter.

00:34:29.280 We now know

00:34:29.960 they got him.

00:34:30.940 That was the opening

00:34:31.440 of the press conference.

00:34:32.280 We got him.

00:34:33.700 We then got

00:34:34.680 an interpretation

00:34:35.520 of what the events mean

00:34:36.740 because the governor

00:34:37.700 was leading it.

00:34:38.900 We got a vision

00:34:40.520 of the path forward.

00:34:41.460 That was an incredibly

00:34:43.520 thorough,

00:34:44.280 robust press conference

00:34:45.220 here.

00:34:46.180 So they have the suspect.

00:34:49.000 The guy was living

00:34:51.080 with his parents.

00:34:53.720 He was,

00:34:55.040 I don't know,

00:34:58.200 I think pretty clearly

00:34:59.200 a member

00:34:59.540 of the political left.

00:35:00.780 In fact,

00:35:01.400 when the governor

00:35:02.340 was asked

00:35:03.280 what the casings meant,

00:35:06.560 what the engravings meant,

00:35:08.080 he said,

00:35:08.360 look, 0.97

00:35:08.600 it says catch this fascist, 0.94

00:35:09.880 I'll let you draw 0.95

00:35:10.440 your own conclusions.

00:35:11.180 It seems pretty clear to me.

00:35:13.020 So this was,

00:35:14.780 by all evidence,

00:35:17.080 left-wing political violence.

00:35:19.680 He also said

00:35:20.760 that social media

00:35:21.400 is a cancer

00:35:22.080 and that our brains 0.95

00:35:23.800 are just not wired

00:35:24.700 to see this kind

00:35:26.240 of political assassination

00:35:28.380 up close in HD

00:35:29.820 from someone

00:35:30.480 that many people

00:35:31.680 grew up watching,

00:35:32.940 especially young people

00:35:33.800 have been watching

00:35:34.440 Charlie Kirk

00:35:34.840 since they're 10 years old.

00:35:35.680 and they see this guy

00:35:36.820 murdered in a very gruesome way

00:35:38.820 on their phones.

00:35:39.540 He said,

00:35:39.780 this is not good.

00:35:40.660 This is not how we're

00:35:42.140 built to live.

00:35:44.480 Social media is a cancer.

00:35:46.080 That's an amazing

00:35:47.000 and largely accurate,

00:35:48.800 I think,

00:35:49.140 view of the situation.

00:35:51.240 I was listening

00:35:51.920 to a lecture

00:35:53.000 the other day

00:35:53.640 that pointed out

00:35:54.600 that each social media

00:35:55.880 website

00:35:57.880 is tied to

00:35:58.760 one of the deadly sins.

00:36:00.400 I think this is

00:36:00.900 in the Thomistic Institute.

00:36:02.460 And so LinkedIn

00:36:02.960 is avarice

00:36:04.500 and Instagram

00:36:05.640 is pride

00:36:06.360 and X,

00:36:07.280 Twitter is wrath.

00:36:08.380 You know,

00:36:08.500 and it's just,

00:36:09.200 there's so much wrath

00:36:10.600 and it's so gruesome.

00:36:13.260 I was speaking last night

00:36:14.220 to someone

00:36:14.700 who said,

00:36:15.560 Michael,

00:36:15.860 it's so scary.

00:36:16.960 When I watched the video,

00:36:18.780 the scariest thing

00:36:19.700 about watching the video

00:36:20.460 of Charlie's assassination

00:36:21.560 is that I felt nothing.

00:36:24.060 This person didn't know Charlie.

00:36:25.540 He agreed with him

00:36:26.040 on some things,

00:36:26.560 didn't agree with him

00:36:27.060 on other things,

00:36:27.540 isn't particularly political.

00:36:29.340 But I was taken aback.

00:36:30.500 I said,

00:36:30.660 what do you mean

00:36:30.940 you felt nothing?

00:36:32.380 He said,

00:36:32.980 I felt nothing

00:36:34.700 because I'm so desensitized

00:36:36.920 to seeing this violence.

00:36:39.440 It was 10 years ago.

00:36:41.300 If you wanted to see

00:36:42.140 a really gruesome video,

00:36:43.500 you had to go

00:36:44.040 to the darkest corners

00:36:45.020 of the internet.

00:36:46.100 Now,

00:36:46.960 he said,

00:36:47.340 I've seen multiple murders

00:36:48.520 just in the past three days

00:36:49.920 in high definition

00:36:50.980 on my phone.

00:36:53.060 He said,

00:36:53.680 it scared me,

00:36:55.100 that fact about myself.

00:36:56.880 No question about it.

00:36:57.780 And then the governor said

00:37:00.920 he didn't want to be preachy,

00:37:01.820 but he gave a kind

00:37:02.440 of a political sermon

00:37:03.300 about opinions

00:37:06.140 and about how horrified

00:37:07.480 we all are

00:37:08.160 that people are now

00:37:08.820 being murdered

00:37:09.460 for expressing their opinions.

00:37:12.140 And this gets to

00:37:14.340 the almost universal reaction

00:37:18.840 to Charlie's murder

00:37:20.340 on the right,

00:37:21.880 on the left.

00:37:22.740 And this is where I think

00:37:24.500 people are actually

00:37:26.140 misinterpreting things.

00:37:27.380 You saw this quite clearly

00:37:28.980 even just yesterday

00:37:30.720 on the view

00:37:31.600 from Alyssa Farah

00:37:32.700 articulating much the same view

00:37:34.640 that everyone else

00:37:35.200 is mentioning.

00:37:37.520 I hope it doesn't have

00:37:38.660 a chilling effect

00:37:39.460 whether you're left or right

00:37:40.880 on your ability

00:37:41.580 to speak your mind.

00:37:42.440 I know the one thing

00:37:42.980 we all agree about

00:37:44.220 on this table,

00:37:44.880 we all share our viewpoints.

00:37:47.500 I don't agree with that.

00:37:49.280 I don't agree with that.

00:37:51.020 And I agree with

00:37:52.560 the broader sentiment

00:37:53.320 that I want to get back

00:37:54.140 to a civil society

00:37:55.020 where we can speak

00:37:55.980 and where we can

00:37:56.980 articulate views

00:37:58.640 like reasonable people

00:37:59.620 and have our traditional

00:38:00.800 self-government

00:38:01.520 and all the rest of it.

00:38:02.420 I certainly agree

00:38:03.460 with the governor on that.

00:38:04.320 I agree with everyone

00:38:06.040 who's saying it.

00:38:07.620 But I don't agree

00:38:09.000 that the immediate reaction

00:38:10.780 to this has to be

00:38:11.820 to just speak a lot more.

00:38:14.320 To not tamp down

00:38:16.200 any kind of speech.

00:38:18.120 What we need to do,

00:38:19.000 we just need to engage

00:38:19.840 a lot more

00:38:20.300 in the open marketplace

00:38:21.060 of ideas.

00:38:22.080 I think that is

00:38:22.840 a totally wrong

00:38:24.160 interpretation

00:38:24.640 of what's just happened.

00:38:27.360 Charlie Kirk

00:38:28.300 did the best job

00:38:31.420 it is possible to do

00:38:33.040 in the most generous,

00:38:35.020 gracious way

00:38:36.160 of engaging

00:38:38.500 with the left

00:38:39.160 in the free marketplace

00:38:39.800 of ideas.

00:38:41.060 He did it literally

00:38:42.560 in a wide open field

00:38:43.800 many, many times.

00:38:45.700 Anybody could come up

00:38:47.000 to him

00:38:47.460 and ask him

00:38:48.480 any question

00:38:49.080 about anything.

00:38:50.460 He gave it

00:38:52.740 the best shot

00:38:53.460 and the left 0.99

00:38:55.940 killed him for it.

00:38:57.440 The left murdered 1.00

00:38:58.360 him for it.

00:38:59.840 He did the most

00:39:01.580 noble thing

00:39:02.260 you could possibly do

00:39:03.320 in the free marketplace

00:39:03.960 of ideas

00:39:04.600 and they murdered him

00:39:05.800 for it.

00:39:06.260 And as I mentioned

00:39:07.040 on the show yesterday,

00:39:08.360 in a battle,

00:39:09.820 a physical battle

00:39:10.660 or a rhetorical battle,

00:39:12.000 your opponent

00:39:12.580 gets a say too.

00:39:13.700 You don't get to just

00:39:14.460 make up all the rules.

00:39:16.400 And what the political

00:39:17.460 left has said,

00:39:18.260 and it's not just

00:39:20.160 the murder of Charlie.

00:39:21.000 This has been going on

00:39:21.840 for years

00:39:22.580 and years

00:39:23.480 and years.

00:39:24.940 Threats

00:39:25.420 and attempts

00:39:26.160 at violence

00:39:26.860 against many people

00:39:28.820 on the right

00:39:29.320 and it's almost

00:39:30.220 uniformly

00:39:30.880 from the left

00:39:31.780 against the right

00:39:32.420 reaching its

00:39:34.360 horrific

00:39:35.280 and tragic peak

00:39:36.160 in the political

00:39:36.940 assassination

00:39:37.460 of Charlie Kirk.

00:39:40.700 They said,

00:39:41.560 the left said no.

00:39:43.060 You want to come

00:39:44.080 into the free marketplace

00:39:44.740 of ideas? 1.00

00:39:45.320 We're going to shoot you. 1.00

00:39:46.880 Well, 1.00

00:39:47.220 you can't have

00:39:49.000 a marketplace

00:39:49.660 if people don't

00:39:51.500 feel safe

00:39:51.980 to go into the marketplace.

00:39:53.120 No one's going to go

00:39:53.720 to buy the goods.

00:39:54.740 You can't.

00:39:55.700 You can't have

00:39:56.860 a free and open

00:39:58.020 and flourishing marketplace

00:39:59.100 if people

00:40:01.360 can reasonably

00:40:02.420 expect a bomb

00:40:03.220 to go off

00:40:03.720 in the marketplace

00:40:04.260 in any given moment,

00:40:05.120 if they feel

00:40:05.560 that they'll be

00:40:05.960 sitting ducks

00:40:06.460 in the marketplace.

00:40:07.800 Marketplaces

00:40:08.240 don't work that way

00:40:09.080 because marketplaces

00:40:10.360 need rules.

00:40:11.320 Marketplaces

00:40:11.760 need security.

00:40:13.560 Marketplaces

00:40:13.960 need order

00:40:15.320 and peace

00:40:15.960 in order

00:40:16.500 to function.

00:40:18.240 You can't have

00:40:19.300 a marketplace

00:40:19.820 if people keep

00:40:20.720 shooting up

00:40:21.160 the marketplace

00:40:21.680 and the left

00:40:22.680 keeps shooting

00:40:23.200 up the marketplace.

00:40:25.160 And so,

00:40:26.000 it seems to me

00:40:26.880 what is called

00:40:27.840 for now,

00:40:29.120 if we want

00:40:30.100 to return

00:40:30.800 to a country

00:40:31.360 that has

00:40:33.240 a healthy exchange

00:40:34.120 of ideas

00:40:34.680 and in which

00:40:36.060 we can all

00:40:37.060 flourish

00:40:37.500 and live together

00:40:38.300 in a peaceable way

00:40:39.480 without some kind

00:40:40.440 of heavy-handed

00:40:42.280 government around us,

00:40:43.120 what we need

00:40:43.800 to do

00:40:44.160 in order

00:40:44.700 to get to that

00:40:45.480 is to be

00:40:47.080 a little bit

00:40:47.500 more forceful.

00:40:48.820 I think we do

00:40:49.880 need to tamp

00:40:50.460 down some things.

00:40:51.940 I think we do

00:40:52.680 need to restore order.

00:40:54.400 I think we need

00:40:55.260 more arrests

00:40:57.180 of criminals.

00:40:58.820 I think we need

00:40:59.880 more early

00:41:00.780 interventions.

00:41:02.400 I think we need 0.89

00:41:03.540 more insane 0.92

00:41:04.480 asylums. 0.95

00:41:05.180 It's totally

00:41:05.760 unclear what

00:41:06.600 this shooter's

00:41:07.520 psychiatric condition

00:41:08.300 was,

00:41:08.940 but broadly

00:41:09.460 speaking,

00:41:10.040 I think we've

00:41:10.440 seen that

00:41:10.780 with the Charlotte

00:41:11.360 attack,

00:41:11.820 with many

00:41:12.980 of the

00:41:13.600 leftist

00:41:14.220 attacks,

00:41:15.260 the transgender

00:41:15.820 attacks in recent

00:41:16.780 years.

00:41:17.280 We need

00:41:17.860 institutions

00:41:18.980 that can take

00:41:19.640 care of these

00:41:20.060 people who

00:41:20.740 cannot take

00:41:21.240 care of

00:41:21.520 themselves

00:41:21.860 and who

00:41:22.360 are constantly

00:41:22.960 imperiling our

00:41:23.600 lives

00:41:23.940 and who

00:41:25.440 have made

00:41:25.980 it impossible

00:41:26.500 to have a

00:41:27.300 free marketplace

00:41:27.740 of ideas.

00:41:29.300 I think we

00:41:30.180 need to be a

00:41:31.100 little more

00:41:31.420 forceful about

00:41:32.380 delusions.

00:41:34.040 We've

00:41:34.500 entertained a

00:41:35.160 lot of

00:41:35.420 delusions.

00:41:35.880 We've given

00:41:36.160 license to a

00:41:36.860 lot of

00:41:37.100 delusions

00:41:37.480 that have

00:41:38.260 led directly

00:41:38.860 to violence

00:41:39.400 and that

00:41:39.680 is

00:41:39.800 especially

00:41:40.260 including

00:41:40.760 transgender 0.83

00:41:41.780 violence.

00:41:42.440 But it's

00:41:42.640 not just

00:41:42.980 transgender 0.82

00:41:43.340 violence. 0.87

00:41:44.120 It's

00:41:44.440 left-wing

00:41:45.180 anarchism

00:41:45.780 generally,

00:41:46.540 Antifa,

00:41:48.580 all the

00:41:48.880 many,

00:41:49.700 many delusions

00:41:50.480 about our

00:41:51.820 society.

00:41:52.580 I think we

00:41:52.980 need to be a

00:41:53.480 little more

00:41:53.840 clear about

00:41:54.480 what the

00:41:54.820 truth is.

00:41:55.500 And we

00:41:55.960 need to

00:41:56.180 have the

00:41:56.440 confidence

00:41:57.060 and the

00:41:57.960 dignity to

00:41:58.460 stand up

00:41:58.840 for the

00:41:59.080 truth in

00:41:59.380 the public

00:41:59.700 square.

00:42:01.720 Ostracism.

00:42:02.240 I think we

00:42:02.600 need a little

00:42:02.980 bit more

00:42:03.320 ostracism for

00:42:04.700 the people who

00:42:05.440 are celebrating

00:42:06.040 the cold-blooded

00:42:06.700 murder of a

00:42:07.220 man who only

00:42:07.880 ever wanted to

00:42:08.440 talk it out.

00:42:09.320 I think those

00:42:10.080 people need to

00:42:10.700 lose their

00:42:11.060 jobs.

00:42:11.900 I think those

00:42:12.400 people need to

00:42:13.280 be expelled

00:42:14.400 from polite

00:42:14.980 society.

00:42:16.520 And they

00:42:17.120 can have a

00:42:18.760 little book

00:42:19.160 club themselves

00:42:19.820 where they

00:42:20.460 can dance

00:42:21.760 gleefully at

00:42:22.400 the murder of

00:42:22.880 innocent people,

00:42:23.580 but they should

00:42:24.140 not be permitted

00:42:24.780 into polite

00:42:25.380 society.

00:42:27.160 I think we

00:42:28.060 need clarity

00:42:29.120 and force

00:42:30.020 on that front.

00:42:32.560 In the

00:42:33.200 government,

00:42:33.880 in the

00:42:34.200 educational

00:42:34.580 institutions,

00:42:36.280 in corporate

00:42:36.760 America,

00:42:37.200 in society,

00:42:41.540 William F.

00:42:42.020 Buckley Jr.,

00:42:42.620 no less

00:42:43.120 urbane and

00:42:44.080 clubbable,

00:42:46.320 a conservative

00:42:46.740 than William F.

00:42:47.480 Buckley Jr.

00:42:47.880 made this point

00:42:48.340 60 years ago.

00:42:50.020 Some liberal

00:42:50.580 on his show

00:42:51.080 said,

00:42:51.340 we need a

00:42:51.620 really open

00:42:52.080 society.

00:42:52.560 We all agree

00:42:52.960 with how

00:42:53.420 open the

00:42:53.960 society should

00:42:54.520 be, right?

00:42:54.920 The open

00:42:55.280 marketplace

00:42:55.700 values,

00:42:56.040 the open,

00:42:56.380 open,

00:42:56.600 open.

00:42:56.840 He said,

00:42:57.120 no,

00:42:57.240 no,

00:42:57.320 no,

00:42:57.460 I think

00:42:58.000 society should

00:42:58.580 be considerably

00:42:59.100 more closed.

00:43:01.280 We want

00:43:01.920 freedom,

00:43:02.900 but you can't

00:43:03.580 have freedom

00:43:04.020 without order.

00:43:04.880 There's no

00:43:05.180 such thing as 0.74

00:43:05.700 freedom without

00:43:06.180 order.

00:43:06.460 There's no

00:43:06.940 such thing as 0.74

00:43:07.400 liberty without

00:43:08.280 knowledge.

00:43:08.880 You can't be 0.99

00:43:09.260 ignorant and 0.99

00:43:09.800 free. 1.00

00:43:10.420 You can't be

00:43:11.060 undisciplined and

00:43:11.940 free.

00:43:12.820 You can't have

00:43:13.640 anarchy and

00:43:14.560 chaos and

00:43:15.220 shooters lurking

00:43:15.860 around every

00:43:16.360 corner and

00:43:17.360 half the

00:43:18.360 country gleefully

00:43:19.340 celebrating

00:43:19.920 cold-blooded

00:43:20.440 murder and be 0.96

00:43:23.280 free.

00:43:23.680 You can't have

00:43:24.560 that.

00:43:25.280 The prerequisite

00:43:26.220 for freedom is

00:43:27.220 order and

00:43:28.460 discipline and

00:43:29.620 knowledge.

00:43:30.120 that's what we

00:43:32.660 have to

00:43:32.980 restore right

00:43:33.540 now.

00:43:33.980 And that

00:43:34.520 involves

00:43:35.020 circumscribing

00:43:36.080 some of

00:43:37.000 the insanity

00:43:38.800 that we have

00:43:39.480 allowed to

00:43:40.040 fester over

00:43:40.780 the last

00:43:41.140 several decades.

00:43:42.280 Insanity that

00:43:42.960 is totally out

00:43:43.720 of step with

00:43:44.180 the American

00:43:44.620 tradition,

00:43:45.640 with the

00:43:46.140 principles of

00:43:46.940 ordered liberty,

00:43:47.920 with the

00:43:48.360 ideals that

00:43:48.960 every reasonable

00:43:49.500 person holds.

00:43:50.840 We need to

00:43:51.480 have a little

00:43:52.740 more courage,

00:43:53.520 and we need

00:43:53.840 to have a

00:43:54.120 little more

00:43:54.420 clarity,

00:43:54.740 and we

00:43:55.400 need to

00:43:55.740 exercise a

00:43:56.540 little bit

00:43:56.880 more just

00:43:57.700 authority in

00:43:58.900 our society.

00:44:00.780 How many

00:44:01.420 people have

00:44:01.860 you talked

00:44:02.200 to?

00:44:03.660 I've heard

00:44:04.240 this from so

00:44:05.020 many people.

00:44:05.580 They say,

00:44:05.940 Michael,

00:44:06.360 something that

00:44:07.500 scandalizes me

00:44:08.360 most about

00:44:08.880 Charlie's

00:44:09.260 assassination is

00:44:10.940 that I logged

00:44:11.360 onto Facebook

00:44:11.960 and people I

00:44:12.620 grew up with,

00:44:13.680 people I used

00:44:14.180 to work with,

00:44:15.380 are happy

00:44:16.880 about it.

00:44:18.400 Multiple

00:44:18.800 people have

00:44:19.280 said this to

00:44:19.620 me.

00:44:19.740 I bet it's

00:44:20.080 true of you

00:44:20.380 too.

00:44:21.760 I never

00:44:22.180 thought,

00:44:23.460 because,

00:44:24.740 Charlie being

00:44:25.900 so mainstream,

00:44:26.780 being relatively

00:44:27.360 moderate,

00:44:28.000 being so

00:44:28.500 genteel,

00:44:29.020 being so

00:44:29.340 polite,

00:44:29.840 being so

00:44:30.140 nice,

00:44:31.100 if they

00:44:31.620 would celebrate

00:44:32.100 his murder,

00:44:32.660 they'd celebrate

00:44:33.100 my murder.

00:44:33.720 If they

00:44:33.920 would justify

00:44:34.420 his murder,

00:44:34.980 they'd justify

00:44:35.380 my murder.

00:44:35.900 I thought

00:44:36.100 these people

00:44:36.500 were my

00:44:36.820 friends.

00:44:37.200 I thought

00:44:37.380 they were

00:44:37.580 my family.

00:44:38.100 I thought

00:44:38.280 I grew

00:44:38.480 up with

00:44:38.740 them.

00:44:41.180 You cannot

00:44:41.920 have a

00:44:42.320 society like

00:44:42.880 that.

00:44:44.100 And we

00:44:44.680 need some

00:44:46.400 standards back

00:44:47.160 in our

00:44:47.380 society.

00:44:48.640 And we

00:44:49.240 need some

00:44:50.460 rules around

00:44:51.140 the marketplace.

00:44:52.320 All

00:44:52.600 marketplaces

00:44:53.240 need rules.

00:44:54.740 In order

00:44:55.260 for a

00:44:55.540 marketplace

00:44:55.820 to flourish,

00:44:56.460 you have

00:44:56.840 to feel

00:44:57.320 that your

00:44:58.640 life is

00:44:59.100 not in

00:44:59.380 peril by

00:44:59.840 walking into

00:45:00.360 one.

00:45:01.580 That's what

00:45:02.180 is called

00:45:02.480 for right

00:45:02.860 now.

00:45:03.420 That is

00:45:03.800 the necessary

00:45:04.460 step that

00:45:05.660 most people,

00:45:07.600 I think,

00:45:07.800 are missing

00:45:08.220 to arrive at

00:45:09.580 the ideal that

00:45:10.240 they like of

00:45:10.860 a society in

00:45:11.480 which people

00:45:11.940 can have a

00:45:12.700 healthy exchange

00:45:13.240 of ideas.

00:45:15.100 Before we

00:45:16.260 go,

00:45:17.620 I know

00:45:18.500 what the

00:45:19.500 argument is

00:45:19.900 going to be

00:45:20.260 now.

00:45:20.540 the left

00:45:21.280 is already

00:45:21.620 making it,

00:45:22.460 is that

00:45:22.980 left-wing

00:45:23.340 violence is

00:45:23.940 rare.

00:45:25.220 And really,

00:45:25.840 most political

00:45:26.440 violence comes

00:45:26.980 from the

00:45:27.220 right.

00:45:27.440 In fact,

00:45:28.060 Democrat

00:45:28.940 Congressman Seth

00:45:29.720 Moulton made

00:45:30.220 this point on

00:45:30.720 CNN just

00:45:31.200 yesterday.

00:45:33.040 By and large

00:45:33.680 saying,

00:45:34.380 we all need

00:45:34.920 to turn down

00:45:35.560 the rhetoric.

00:45:36.560 So let's be

00:45:37.200 serious about

00:45:38.100 where this

00:45:38.600 violence is

00:45:39.200 coming from.

00:45:40.500 Of extremist

00:45:41.200 violent attacks

00:45:42.180 in America,

00:45:42.980 extremist

00:45:43.320 violent

00:45:43.720 murders,

00:45:44.820 76% are

00:45:48.240 from right-wing

00:45:48.980 extremists,

00:45:49.880 4% are

00:45:51.560 from left-wing

00:45:52.140 extremists.

00:45:53.180 I condemn

00:45:53.960 that 4%, 0.95

00:45:54.900 but we also

00:45:56.060 need to be

00:45:56.480 honest as a

00:45:57.620 nation about

00:45:58.660 where this

00:45:59.080 violence is

00:45:59.600 coming from.

00:46:00.620 And oh,

00:46:00.940 by the way,

00:46:01.580 it's probably

00:46:02.240 an appropriate

00:46:02.820 time to talk

00:46:03.780 about guns,

00:46:04.540 too.

00:46:05.320 You hear a lot

00:46:05.860 of conservatives

00:46:06.980 saying,

00:46:07.500 hey, the only

00:46:07.880 thing we need

00:46:08.500 to do here is

00:46:09.140 get more guns

00:46:09.880 on the street.

00:46:11.140 That's not

00:46:11.760 going to solve

00:46:12.180 this problem.

00:46:13.140 That's going

00:46:13.600 to make it

00:46:13.960 worse. 0.69

00:46:14.820 So disgusting,

00:46:18.340 just like 0.94

00:46:18.980 virtually all

00:46:19.880 of the left-wing

00:46:20.520 media reaction

00:46:21.480 and increasingly

00:46:22.620 congressional reaction

00:46:23.740 to this.

00:46:25.160 Listen to the

00:46:25.860 snark.

00:46:26.260 He says,

00:46:26.500 you know,

00:46:27.380 the vast majority

00:46:28.240 of political

00:46:28.820 violence in the

00:46:29.360 United States

00:46:29.780 is right-wing.

00:46:30.940 4% of it

00:46:31.840 is left-wing,

00:46:32.380 and I condemn

00:46:33.080 that 4%, 0.95

00:46:33.960 and I condemn

00:46:34.620 that 4%.

00:46:35.720 And we need

00:46:38.540 to talk about

00:46:39.160 guns.

00:46:39.480 We need to

00:46:39.820 talk about

00:46:40.120 guns.

00:46:43.280 The murder

00:46:44.060 weapon was

00:46:44.720 a bolt

00:46:45.220 action

00:46:45.800 antique

00:46:46.460 rifle.

00:46:48.080 What do

00:46:48.520 you mean

00:46:48.720 talk about

00:46:49.180 guns?

00:46:50.020 So we need

00:46:50.420 to ban

00:46:50.900 AR-15s. 0.74

00:46:51.660 We need

00:46:51.800 to ban...

00:46:52.320 It was a

00:46:52.960 bolt

00:46:53.240 action

00:46:53.680 vintage

00:46:54.380 hunting

00:46:55.020 rifle.

00:46:55.700 That would

00:46:56.260 be the

00:46:56.640 last gun

00:46:57.440 in the

00:46:58.100 country

00:46:58.460 that you

00:46:59.080 would ban.

00:47:00.900 Unless you

00:47:01.540 say,

00:47:02.160 we need to

00:47:02.480 repeal the

00:47:02.880 Second

00:47:03.060 Amendment.

00:47:03.360 That's the

00:47:03.600 only thing

00:47:03.960 you could

00:47:04.200 do.

00:47:04.580 The only

00:47:05.000 thing you

00:47:05.500 could do,

00:47:06.320 which still

00:47:07.040 would not

00:47:07.400 work,

00:47:08.360 is overturn

00:47:09.900 the Second

00:47:10.480 Amendment.

00:47:10.800 because the

00:47:12.540 absolute

00:47:13.280 most basic

00:47:14.760 protected

00:47:15.500 gun in

00:47:16.840 any country

00:47:17.620 that permits

00:47:18.080 any guns

00:47:18.620 at all

00:47:18.980 would be

00:47:19.640 the sort

00:47:20.200 of antique

00:47:21.040 bolt-action

00:47:21.640 rifle that

00:47:22.100 was used

00:47:22.480 in the

00:47:22.700 murder of

00:47:23.000 Charlie Kirk.

00:47:24.300 So is that

00:47:25.000 what you're

00:47:25.240 saying,

00:47:25.520 Seth

00:47:25.640 Moulton?

00:47:26.000 We need

00:47:26.340 to completely

00:47:27.140 get rid

00:47:27.980 of the

00:47:28.200 Second

00:47:28.400 Amendment,

00:47:29.200 completely

00:47:29.800 overturn it,

00:47:31.420 and then go

00:47:32.040 door-to-door

00:47:32.660 around the

00:47:33.260 country,

00:47:33.800 in a country

00:47:34.320 that has

00:47:34.620 more guns

00:47:35.020 than people,

00:47:35.780 and confiscate

00:47:36.380 every single

00:47:36.980 gun,

00:47:37.560 including antique

00:47:38.440 family heirlooms.

00:47:39.240 Is that what

00:47:39.700 you're saying?

00:47:40.520 Maybe that is

00:47:41.140 what he's

00:47:41.360 saying.

00:47:41.700 He doesn't

00:47:42.000 have the

00:47:42.260 guts to

00:47:42.620 say it.

00:47:43.780 He might

00:47:44.420 not have

00:47:44.720 the intelligence

00:47:45.300 to realize

00:47:46.120 that that is

00:47:46.560 the implication

00:47:47.100 of his

00:47:48.280 random

00:47:49.660 verbal

00:47:50.140 ejaculations,

00:47:51.500 but let him 0.97

00:47:53.560 say it then.

00:47:54.560 Let him

00:47:54.840 say it.

00:47:55.540 And then,

00:47:56.340 let's just

00:47:57.200 say that

00:47:58.780 he could

00:47:59.260 convince people

00:47:59.880 that it was

00:48:00.200 a good idea

00:48:00.700 to repeal

00:48:01.060 the Second

00:48:01.520 Amendment.

00:48:02.400 Sorry,

00:48:02.740 the Second

00:48:03.040 Amendment.

00:48:04.440 And let's

00:48:05.060 just say that

00:48:05.620 he convinced

00:48:06.580 people it

00:48:06.940 was a good

00:48:07.220 idea to

00:48:08.020 go door-to-door

00:48:08.720 and confiscate

00:48:09.460 every single

00:48:09.960 gun in

00:48:10.260 America.

00:48:11.120 Hundreds and

00:48:11.700 hundreds of

00:48:12.040 millions of

00:48:12.340 guns.

00:48:13.820 How are you

00:48:14.320 going to do

00:48:14.660 it, Seth?

00:48:15.340 How are you

00:48:15.680 going to do

00:48:15.980 it?

00:48:16.780 Oh, you

00:48:17.220 don't have

00:48:17.500 any answer.

00:48:18.100 You don't

00:48:18.400 have any

00:48:18.640 answer to

00:48:18.960 any of my

00:48:19.280 questions.

00:48:19.680 But you're

00:48:20.480 going to go

00:48:21.040 and take

00:48:21.480 the opportunity

00:48:22.100 of the

00:48:22.520 murder of

00:48:23.260 an innocent

00:48:23.620 man,

00:48:24.620 apparently by

00:48:25.520 one of your

00:48:26.240 own, and

00:48:27.220 you're going

00:48:27.500 to use that

00:48:28.100 to pontificate

00:48:29.720 about your

00:48:30.420 completely

00:48:31.040 utopian

00:48:31.760 political

00:48:33.380 agenda.

00:48:34.760 Revolting,

00:48:35.600 revolting

00:48:36.400 behavior, 1.00

00:48:37.460 stupid 1.00

00:48:37.860 behavior, 1.00

00:48:39.140 powerfully 1.00

00:48:39.700 stupid 1.00

00:48:40.100 behavior, but 1.00

00:48:41.000 also nauseating

00:48:42.220 in its

00:48:42.580 vice.

00:48:43.860 And then

00:48:44.700 we get to

00:48:45.460 his chief

00:48:46.000 claim that

00:48:46.480 he makes.

00:48:46.920 his chief

00:48:48.300 claim that

00:48:49.520 virtually all

00:48:50.160 the political

00:48:50.480 violence is

00:48:50.960 from the

00:48:51.260 right.

00:48:51.720 I looked

00:48:52.140 it up.

00:48:52.560 What did

00:48:52.880 I know?

00:48:53.260 I don't

00:48:53.880 read crime

00:48:55.300 statistics all

00:48:56.040 the time.

00:48:57.080 Maybe that

00:48:57.560 was true, so

00:48:58.140 I looked it

00:48:58.540 up.

00:48:59.560 And if

00:48:59.820 you Google

00:49:00.560 it, if

00:49:01.660 you chat

00:49:02.160 GBT it,

00:49:02.860 it'll say,

00:49:03.220 oh, yes,

00:49:03.660 according to

00:49:04.080 this study,

00:49:04.600 according to

00:49:04.900 that study,

00:49:06.160 right-wingers

00:49:06.700 are more

00:49:07.080 likely to

00:49:07.620 commit political

00:49:08.220 violence than

00:49:08.780 left-wingers.

00:49:10.280 If you look

00:49:11.020 at the

00:49:11.220 incidents of

00:49:11.740 political

00:49:12.020 violence,

00:49:12.840 more of

00:49:13.220 them are

00:49:13.420 from the

00:49:13.660 right than

00:49:13.920 the left.

00:49:14.260 I said,

00:49:14.500 you know,

00:49:15.180 that just

00:49:16.360 doesn't

00:49:16.720 sound

00:49:17.080 accurate

00:49:17.680 to me.

00:49:19.080 Just

00:49:19.520 doesn't

00:49:19.760 sound

00:49:19.960 accurate.

00:49:21.500 I

00:49:21.920 myself

00:49:22.420 have

00:49:23.940 been

00:49:25.380 targeted

00:49:26.040 with

00:49:26.340 political

00:49:26.640 violence

00:49:27.000 over the

00:49:27.280 years.

00:49:28.320 And I

00:49:28.840 said,

00:49:29.000 wait a

00:49:29.180 second,

00:49:29.900 let me

00:49:30.960 look that

00:49:31.260 up.

00:49:31.860 Let me

00:49:32.060 look that

00:49:32.360 up.

00:49:32.660 My town

00:49:33.420 here,

00:49:33.660 Nashville,

00:49:34.100 there's

00:49:34.220 been

00:49:34.340 political

00:49:34.640 violence.

00:49:35.040 What was

00:49:35.180 the most

00:49:35.380 recent

00:49:35.600 example?

00:49:36.360 It was

00:49:36.740 when a

00:49:37.040 trans-identifying

00:49:38.200 shooter

00:49:38.580 gunned down

00:49:40.860 little

00:49:41.200 children in

00:49:41.860 a Catholic

00:49:42.300 school.

00:49:44.280 A trans 0.99

00:49:45.180 shooter

00:49:45.800 trans-identifying

00:49:47.300 goes into

00:49:49.000 the symbol

00:49:50.120 of traditional

00:49:51.300 conservative

00:49:51.980 culture,

00:49:52.900 of an

00:49:53.380 objective

00:49:53.780 moral order,

00:49:54.540 of the

00:49:54.800 right.

00:49:55.140 Don't

00:49:55.240 forget the

00:49:55.560 right,

00:49:55.920 even the

00:49:56.240 right and

00:49:56.520 the left,

00:49:56.780 the terms

00:49:57.160 come from

00:49:57.720 the left

00:49:58.660 side of

00:49:58.960 the National

00:49:59.300 Assembly in

00:49:59.720 the French

00:49:59.980 Revolution,

00:50:00.480 which was the

00:50:00.820 atheists and 0.81

00:50:01.440 the secularists,

00:50:02.340 the right

00:50:02.820 side coming

00:50:03.320 from the

00:50:03.620 Christians and

00:50:05.280 the defenders

00:50:05.680 of the

00:50:05.980 regime.

00:50:07.440 Goes in,

00:50:08.420 fires multiple

00:50:09.680 shots through

00:50:10.420 a picture of

00:50:11.480 Adam and Eve,

00:50:12.600 stained glass,

00:50:13.580 before gunning down 0.99

00:50:14.380 these innocent 0.54

00:50:14.860 kids in a

00:50:15.580 church.

00:50:17.700 Because of,

00:50:18.440 if you read

00:50:18.780 the manifesto,

00:50:19.880 or any part

00:50:20.520 of the

00:50:20.720 manifesto,

00:50:22.100 largely because

00:50:22.900 of this

00:50:23.540 gender ideology,

00:50:26.260 which is a

00:50:27.640 left-wing ideology.

00:50:28.400 And I looked

00:50:28.740 it up.

00:50:29.660 Do you know

00:50:29.980 that's not

00:50:30.480 political

00:50:30.820 violence?

00:50:33.880 Come again?

00:50:34.980 I looked it

00:50:35.380 up.

00:50:35.520 No,

00:50:35.680 no,

00:50:35.720 no,

00:50:35.800 the police

00:50:36.360 concluded this

00:50:37.560 was not

00:50:37.960 ideologically

00:50:38.600 motivated.

00:50:40.300 So the

00:50:41.320 trans shooter 0.97

00:50:42.480 gunning down 0.99

00:50:43.080 little Catholic 1.00

00:50:43.600 kids,

00:50:44.220 sorry,

00:50:44.520 little

00:50:44.700 Protestant

00:50:45.940 kids.

00:50:46.300 It was a

00:50:46.800 Presbyterian

00:50:47.220 school,

00:50:47.480 I think.

00:50:48.600 Because of

00:50:49.120 that,

00:50:50.640 they say,

00:50:51.520 no,

00:50:51.600 no,

00:50:51.680 no,

00:50:51.800 the person

00:50:52.480 was seeking

00:50:52.800 attention,

00:50:53.220 it wasn't

00:50:53.440 ideological.

00:50:55.440 There's a

00:50:55.900 manifesto,

00:50:56.560 what do you

00:50:56.780 mean it's

00:50:57.040 not ideological?

00:50:58.140 No,

00:50:58.320 it doesn't

00:50:58.580 count.

00:50:59.180 Then I

00:50:59.420 thought,

00:50:59.720 what about

00:51:00.160 in my

00:51:00.360 own

00:51:00.480 experience?

00:51:01.120 I was

00:51:01.420 at

00:51:01.700 University

00:51:02.260 of

00:51:02.460 Pittsburgh

00:51:02.760 two

00:51:03.140 years

00:51:03.340 ago,

00:51:04.300 and I

00:51:05.860 was doing

00:51:07.000 a talk,

00:51:07.480 it was a

00:51:07.720 debate over

00:51:08.280 transgenderism,

00:51:09.660 and two

00:51:10.560 Antifa agents

00:51:11.540 showed up,

00:51:12.840 and they

00:51:13.520 burned me

00:51:13.820 in effigy 0.55

00:51:14.200 on the

00:51:14.420 street when

00:51:14.880 I got

00:51:15.120 there,

00:51:15.680 and then

00:51:16.060 two Antifa

00:51:17.200 agents

00:51:17.500 showed up

00:51:17.960 through an

00:51:19.140 explosive at

00:51:19.940 the building

00:51:20.360 right as I

00:51:20.860 was walking

00:51:21.260 on stage.

00:51:22.940 Happily,

00:51:23.540 I was not

00:51:23.900 injured.

00:51:24.640 A police

00:51:25.220 officer was

00:51:25.780 very seriously

00:51:26.360 injured,

00:51:26.680 a female cop 0.99

00:51:27.220 was very

00:51:27.600 seriously

00:51:27.980 injured.

00:51:28.780 This couple

00:51:29.520 were hardcore

00:51:30.860 anarchists,

00:51:32.180 Antifa operatives,

00:51:33.800 who would go to

00:51:34.360 Antifa meetings,

00:51:35.500 who were caught

00:51:36.300 going through

00:51:36.900 TSA with

00:51:37.840 explosive material

00:51:38.780 on them

00:51:39.180 multiple times.

00:51:41.240 I looked that

00:51:42.100 up.

00:51:42.560 Do you know

00:51:42.880 that's not

00:51:43.300 left-wing

00:51:43.640 political

00:51:43.940 violence?

00:51:45.320 No,

00:51:45.580 no.

00:51:46.480 No,

00:51:46.720 they pled

00:51:47.120 down,

00:51:47.620 they got an

00:51:48.200 obstruction of

00:51:48.760 justice charge,

00:51:49.540 one of them.

00:51:49.880 So it's

00:51:50.100 obstruction of

00:51:50.920 justice,

00:51:51.040 it's not.

00:51:53.100 Do you know

00:51:53.780 how people

00:51:54.240 like Seth

00:51:54.660 Moulton arrive

00:51:55.220 at the

00:51:55.440 conclusion that

00:51:56.440 there's more

00:51:56.880 right-wing

00:51:57.240 political violence

00:51:57.800 than left-wing

00:51:58.220 political

00:51:58.480 violence?

00:51:59.000 They don't

00:51:59.560 count the

00:52:00.040 left-wing

00:52:00.400 political

00:52:00.760 violence.

00:52:01.420 That's how.

00:52:03.140 That's how

00:52:03.640 they do it.

00:52:04.240 They lie.

00:52:05.280 They hide the

00:52:05.940 left-wing

00:52:06.260 political

00:52:06.620 violence.

00:52:08.780 The first

00:52:09.260 two cases

00:52:09.780 I looked

00:52:10.140 up of

00:52:11.640 clear

00:52:12.120 left-wing

00:52:12.520 political

00:52:12.840 violence,

00:52:13.580 trans-motivated

00:52:14.380 political

00:52:14.760 violence,

00:52:15.200 another one

00:52:15.780 regarding the

00:52:16.320 transgender issue

00:52:16.960 from Antifa,

00:52:18.180 the left-wing

00:52:19.160 organization,

00:52:22.160 left-wing terror

00:52:22.780 organization in

00:52:23.420 America,

00:52:23.900 not political

00:52:24.360 violence.

00:52:24.740 So that's how

00:52:25.120 you get to

00:52:25.460 it.

00:52:28.060 We all

00:52:29.020 know,

00:52:29.660 because we

00:52:30.100 have eyes

00:52:30.680 and ears

00:52:31.200 and memories,

00:52:32.780 that left-wing

00:52:34.480 political violence

00:52:35.280 in America is

00:52:35.880 much,

00:52:36.300 much,

00:52:36.500 much more

00:52:36.800 prominent.

00:52:37.140 And there's

00:52:37.800 a double

00:52:38.180 scandal here

00:52:38.840 because not

00:52:39.840 only will

00:52:40.900 the authorities

00:52:41.420 not do

00:52:41.800 anything about

00:52:42.340 it,

00:52:42.500 they won't

00:52:42.800 even admit

00:52:43.380 that it

00:52:43.620 exists.

00:52:44.220 They'll

00:52:44.400 hide it.

00:52:48.140 President

00:52:48.580 Trump,

00:52:49.320 of course,

00:52:51.400 addressed the

00:52:52.280 role of

00:52:52.580 violence here.

00:52:53.100 He said

00:52:53.300 this at the

00:52:53.640 White House

00:52:53.960 yesterday about

00:52:54.620 the importance

00:52:55.100 of nonviolence.

00:52:56.040 How do you

00:52:58.400 want to see

00:52:58.900 your supporters

00:53:00.580 respond to

00:53:01.300 this?

00:53:01.600 Charlie Kirk

00:53:02.080 was big

00:53:02.420 advocate of

00:53:03.100 nonviolence and

00:53:03.960 free speech on

00:53:04.520 campus.

00:53:04.920 How do you

00:53:05.180 want your

00:53:05.660 supporters to

00:53:06.600 respond to it?

00:53:07.120 I think that

00:53:07.620 way.

00:53:07.920 He was.

00:53:08.340 He was an

00:53:08.840 advocate of

00:53:09.580 nonviolence.

00:53:10.680 That's the way

00:53:11.260 I'd like to

00:53:11.680 see people

00:53:12.300 respond.

00:53:13.500 Yes,

00:53:14.220 absolutely,

00:53:15.200 totally agree.

00:53:16.640 Totally agree.

00:53:17.380 But if one

00:53:19.640 side is violent

00:53:20.380 and you

00:53:21.980 don't want

00:53:22.540 the other

00:53:22.840 side to

00:53:23.220 become

00:53:23.440 violent,

00:53:24.300 then the

00:53:25.960 state needs

00:53:27.240 to enforce

00:53:27.740 the law

00:53:28.180 and to

00:53:28.680 maintain

00:53:28.960 order with

00:53:30.320 the credible

00:53:31.300 threat of

00:53:32.240 just violence.

00:53:33.120 This is the

00:53:33.660 part that I

00:53:34.060 think people

00:53:34.420 are missing.

00:53:35.160 We want to

00:53:35.720 get back to

00:53:36.120 the society

00:53:36.540 where we

00:53:36.900 can exchange

00:53:37.320 ideas freely.

00:53:37.900 We want to

00:53:38.760 get back to

00:53:39.200 the society

00:53:39.720 where we

00:53:40.420 can have

00:53:43.100 the faith

00:53:43.960 that we're

00:53:44.540 not going to

00:53:45.200 be murdered

00:53:45.660 just for 0.97

00:53:46.420 articulating

00:53:47.080 our views.

00:53:48.480 We want to

00:53:49.260 get back to

00:53:49.560 a society

00:53:49.900 where we

00:53:50.200 don't

00:53:50.340 resort to

00:53:50.680 political

00:53:50.940 violence,

00:53:51.360 of course.

00:53:52.220 You don't

00:53:52.800 get there

00:53:53.300 by just

00:53:53.940 wishing upon

00:53:54.520 a star.

00:53:57.300 Certainly,

00:53:58.100 we pray.

00:53:58.940 We pray to

00:53:59.580 the true

00:54:00.280 God.

00:54:01.280 Prayer is

00:54:01.700 the first

00:54:02.020 resort,

00:54:02.380 not the

00:54:02.580 last resort.

00:54:03.300 Certainly,

00:54:03.720 we do

00:54:03.920 that.

00:54:05.580 We also

00:54:06.320 have a

00:54:06.620 civil

00:54:06.780 authority

00:54:07.100 that has

00:54:07.400 to do

00:54:07.720 something.

00:54:09.160 And what

00:54:09.440 they have

00:54:09.740 to do

00:54:10.060 is not

00:54:10.500 ban

00:54:10.900 80-year-old

00:54:12.920 hunting

00:54:13.360 rifles that

00:54:14.080 are impossible

00:54:14.860 to ban

00:54:15.660 in the

00:54:16.160 first place.

00:54:17.240 The way

00:54:17.880 that we

00:54:18.180 do that

00:54:18.760 is not

00:54:20.360 by cheering

00:54:22.500 on or

00:54:23.080 excusing the

00:54:23.860 murder of

00:54:24.260 an innocent

00:54:24.620 man for

00:54:25.120 stating his

00:54:25.600 opinion.

00:54:27.400 The way

00:54:28.160 that we

00:54:28.680 do that,

00:54:29.260 the way

00:54:29.560 that you

00:54:29.800 go from

00:54:30.140 a society

00:54:30.540 in which

00:54:30.860 one side

00:54:31.800 most prominently

00:54:33.400 is murdering

00:54:35.220 is murdering

00:54:35.240 the other 0.95

00:54:35.720 side,

00:54:36.580 the other

00:54:36.960 side which

00:54:37.420 wants to

00:54:38.100 be non-violent.

00:54:39.380 The way

00:54:39.980 that you

00:54:40.140 get back

00:54:40.420 to that

00:54:40.720 is you

00:54:41.040 need to

00:54:41.320 have a

00:54:42.160 just kind

00:54:42.740 of violence,

00:54:43.300 not vigilante

00:54:44.160 violence,

00:54:44.620 not private

00:54:45.320 violence.

00:54:46.120 Nobody wants

00:54:47.060 that.

00:54:47.760 On the

00:54:48.280 right,

00:54:48.600 on the

00:54:48.820 left,

00:54:49.020 I guess

00:54:49.200 they do.

00:54:50.560 But in

00:54:51.200 order to

00:54:51.600 do that,

00:54:52.140 you must

00:54:52.560 have the

00:54:52.980 state come

00:54:54.580 in for

00:54:56.420 the common

00:54:56.780 good to

00:54:58.160 defend the

00:54:59.360 traditional and

00:55:00.300 normal standards,

00:55:01.280 to keep the

00:55:02.580 guardrails of

00:55:03.260 the society

00:55:03.880 in place

00:55:05.080 to rigorously

00:55:07.480 prosecute

00:55:08.240 certain kinds

00:55:09.200 of speech

00:55:09.580 like threats,

00:55:10.780 like fraud,

00:55:12.820 like libel,

00:55:13.620 like all of

00:55:14.120 the kind of

00:55:14.380 speech that's

00:55:14.720 never been

00:55:16.380 protected in

00:55:16.920 America,

00:55:17.220 like fighting

00:55:17.560 words,

00:55:18.000 all these

00:55:18.300 sorts of

00:55:18.620 things.

00:55:20.960 That's the

00:55:21.480 only way you

00:55:21.900 get to it,

00:55:22.300 because you

00:55:22.700 don't have

00:55:23.740 liberty without

00:55:24.400 order.

00:55:25.320 It's not

00:55:25.880 possible.

00:55:26.680 And Governor

00:55:27.080 Cox in that

00:55:27.600 press conference

00:55:28.020 said,

00:55:29.160 it feels like

00:55:29.940 the late

00:55:30.200 1960s,

00:55:31.320 when society

00:55:32.380 spiraled out

00:55:32.860 of control.

00:55:33.220 That's

00:55:33.360 right.

00:55:35.140 We need

00:55:35.960 order.

00:55:37.260 There will

00:55:37.840 be some

00:55:38.240 kind of

00:55:38.580 order.

00:55:38.900 Will it

00:55:39.080 be the

00:55:39.300 good,

00:55:40.000 just

00:55:40.360 order that

00:55:41.620 distinguishes

00:55:42.620 between right

00:55:43.140 and wrong

00:55:43.460 and chooses

00:55:43.760 the right,

00:55:44.160 that distinguishes

00:55:44.620 between true

00:55:45.120 and false

00:55:45.380 and chooses

00:55:45.720 the true?

00:55:46.420 Will it

00:55:46.700 be that

00:55:46.980 kind of

00:55:47.300 order?

00:55:48.540 Or will

00:55:49.080 it be

00:55:49.340 whatever

00:55:49.600 we've

00:55:49.860 got now?

00:55:51.480 That's

00:55:51.880 the choice

00:55:52.260 for us,

00:55:52.720 and that's

00:55:53.120 the obligation,

00:55:54.060 I think,

00:55:54.320 for people

00:55:54.680 in authority,

00:55:55.820 to do what

00:55:57.360 we know

00:55:57.620 is right,

00:55:57.960 to have

00:55:58.980 the prudence 0.94

00:56:01.460 and the

00:56:02.340 justice

00:56:02.680 and the

00:56:02.980 clarity,

00:56:04.160 to appropriately

00:56:05.360 and forcefully

00:56:06.180 insist upon

00:56:06.880 what is

00:56:07.120 right.

00:56:08.960 No member

00:56:09.460 block today.

00:56:10.380 Ben is going

00:56:10.800 to be going

00:56:11.100 live momentarily.

00:56:12.220 I'm Michael

00:56:12.560 Knowles.

00:56:12.980 This is the

00:56:13.240 Michael Knowles

00:56:13.600 Show.

00:56:13.940 See you

00:56:14.160 Monday.

00:56:14.320 Sunday.

00:56:39.420 God bless

00:56:39.960 you

The Michael Knowles Show - September 12, 2025

Ep. 1813 - What Happens After Charlie Kirk？

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