The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1814 - The Media Are Lying About Charlie Kirk’s Killer — Here Are the Facts

00:00:00.000 A mountain of new information has come out about Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin.

00:00:04.460 The new information paints a clear picture of what the suspect is and what he believes.

00:00:11.060 Based on the current evidence and everything that keeps coming in, the suspect's ideology

00:00:16.640 could not possibly be clearer. And yet, this is where things get really weird.

00:00:22.920 Polling shows that people are currently more inclined to believe the opposite.

00:00:28.060 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:44.580 Welcome back to the show. A lot, a lot to get to. A ton of information has come out over the weekend,

00:00:55.120 and it doesn't seem to have made it to the public. And I think that might be intentional because

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00:02:09.540 A-R-M-R-A dot com slash K-N-A-W-L-E-S. I'm walking with my kids in the park on Saturday, 0.96

00:02:18.580 I think it was, and I've been getting a ton of text messages. Thank you to many, many of you have

00:02:23.040 texted me and reached out about this, how you're feeling, how I'm feeling. Obviously, this is a,

00:02:28.820 this is a national trauma far beyond someone losing his friend, far beyond someone losing

00:02:38.660 a political figure that they admire. This is really next level for a whole host of reasons

00:02:44.380 because of what he meant, because he didn't hold political office, because he just wanted to talk

00:02:49.700 it out, because his assassination was captured in 4K, because of the reaction, on and on and on.

00:02:55.960 We're going to get to all of it. But it's obviously a major, major national trauma.

00:03:03.540 So amid all of these texts, I get a text from a liberal family member of mine, who I'm very close

00:03:09.980 to, saying, Michael, why are you blaming this on the left when the shooter was a MAGA Republican?

00:03:17.740 Totally sincere, totally meant, scolding me for blaming the assassination of Charlie Kirk on the

00:03:27.960 left when, in his words, it was a MAGA Republican. And he reads the news. He's a low information voter,

00:03:36.880 you would have to say, but he consumes plenty of popular liberal media. And he was convinced

00:03:42.400 that the shooter was a MAGA Republican. What are the facts? What do we know now?

00:03:50.260 What is not even contested by the liberal media before they put their spin on it?

00:03:56.480 The shooter was not a student at the school. Charlie was assassinated at this university in Utah.

00:04:02.300 He was not a student. He drove about three hours to get there. He was, however, apparently pretty

00:04:07.900 good at school. He did relatively well in high school. He got a scholarship to Utah State.

00:04:12.640 He dropped out after one semester and was in a tech apprenticeship program.

00:04:18.060 The bullets that he fired and that he had chambered and in his magazine included multiple

00:04:25.780 engravings. One was, hey, fascist, exclamation point, catch, all caps, exclamation point.

00:04:34.280 Hey, fascist, catch. Seems pretty clear what his ideological motivation is. Next bullet. 0.74

00:04:43.020 Oh, Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao, Ciao, Ciao, which is an Italian Antifa song. Antifa,

00:04:49.120 the far left terror organization, ostensibly anti-fascist, but goes way, way back and apparently

00:04:55.460 has been popular online and in video game culture. But determinedly, without question,

00:05:02.100 a song from the radical left. Third engraving, notices, bulges, O-W-O, what's this? This is

00:05:10.160 apparently a reference to furry subculture, furry. People have probably heard about it at some point

00:05:18.640 over the years. It's this weird sex thing. It's this freaky sex thing where people dress up as

00:05:24.080 anthropomorphic animals and do sex stuff. And this also, I guess, comes from an internet meme.

00:05:29.820 This also relates to the trans ideology because furries are, according to furscience.com,

00:05:37.600 a furry institute, I guess, furries are 25 times more likely than the ordinary population to identify

00:05:44.120 as trans. So weird sex stuff, tracks, entirely left-wing. And then, last little bit of information, 0.98

00:05:52.720 at a recent family dinner, the shooter reportedly spoke to a family member about why he hated Charlie

00:06:00.440 Kirk. And the conversation referenced that, quote, Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate. Ben made

00:06:05.700 a very good point when he went on Bill Maher. He said, well, there were people who hated Charlie

00:06:08.920 on the fringe right as well. It wasn't just people on the left. And that is true. There were people on

00:06:13.720 the fringe right who made their entire career out of harassing Charlie Kirk in particular. A lot of us,

00:06:19.500 but in particular, Charlie Kirk. And so, it's not totally out of the realm of possibility that a

00:06:24.160 shooter could have been on the fringe right until you get all of this evidence. Because, and Ben made

00:06:31.280 this point on Bill Maher's show, if it were someone on the fringe right attacking Charlie Kirk, he would

00:06:36.500 not have been attacking him because he was, quote, full of hate and spreading hate. It would be the

00:06:40.640 opposite. They'd say it's because he's milquetoast. It's because he's too moderate. It's because he doesn't

00:06:44.920 go far enough. It's because the kind of attack that was being lobbed at Charlie Kirk by these family

00:06:53.900 members, by the shooter and his family members, was one from the left. You take one or two of these

00:07:01.260 things in isolation, much less all of this evidence together, it is not ambiguous. The shooter was very

00:07:08.800 clearly, all of the evidence says very, very clearly on the left. And we have not yet talked

00:07:15.220 about the shooter's tranny live-in boyfriend. The governor of Utah, this is not just some internet

00:07:21.380 rumor, this is not just from some sleuth independent journalist, the governor of Utah went on CNN to

00:07:28.960 confirm that the shooter has a trans-identifying live-in boyfriend.

00:07:35.420 Some outlets are reporting that the suspect lived with a transgender partner.

00:07:41.660 Is that accurate? And are investigators looking at this part of his life as a possible motivation?

00:07:49.640 Yes, definitely. And yes, I can confirm that. I know that has been reported and that the FBI has

00:07:55.460 confirmed that as well, that the roommate was a romantic partner, a male transitioning to female.

00:08:02.960 I can say that he has been very cooperative. This partner has been incredibly cooperative,

00:08:10.280 had no idea that this was happening, and is working with investigators right now.

00:08:16.000 And how is that relevant to the investigation when it comes to the motive? Are you learning that?

00:08:23.200 Sure. Well, yeah, that's what we're trying to figure out right now. Again, it's easy to draw

00:08:29.320 conclusions from that. And so we've got the shell casings, other forensic evidence that is coming in

00:08:37.080 and trying to piece all of those things together. The CNN lady goes on. She says, well, we don't want

00:08:43.100 to come to conclusions. We need to be very, very careful. What relevance does that have to the

00:08:49.360 conclusions? I don't know. We're trying to figure out if the guy who killed one of the most prominent

00:08:53.540 political figures in America had a political motivation. And he wrote these far-left slogans

00:09:00.080 all over the bullets. And he was a homosexual dating a man who thinks that he's a woman. 0.96

00:09:05.420 So, gee, I don't know. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes. Pretty sure he wasn't a Berkian conservative.

00:09:11.560 Pretty sure he wasn't a trad cat. If I had a hunch, if I had to take a guess, I would say

00:09:17.780 he was on the political left. By the way, the governor of Utah is not even some right-wing,

00:09:24.380 rock-ribbed, conservative Republican. He's a very, very moderate Republican. He has, in fact,

00:09:29.600 indulged the transgender ideology and the pronoun disputes in the past. He is centrist, quite,

00:09:36.320 quite centrist. He's actually quite liberal by Republican standards. And he goes out there and he

00:09:43.380 says, look, this is not ambiguous at all. The shooter had a boyfriend. He had a boyfriend.

00:09:52.480 And the boyfriend thought that he was a woman. These are people that were steeped in all of the

00:09:59.740 most left-wing ideologies. Don't just take the governor's word for it. Here is what a neighbor

00:10:04.600 had to say about the shooter and his boyfriend.

00:10:06.840 Yeah, he was walking with him. Were they holding hands? Uh, yeah, they were. So, yeah, they, I mean,

00:10:15.620 they drove off in his car, the Dodge Challenger. Um, the time you saw them or this week? Um, it was

00:10:23.980 about the time I saw them. So, I would say about two weeks ago. And do they, so they look like they were

00:10:29.840 couples? Yeah. Deports out there that this individual, the roommate, may have been transitioning?

00:10:36.080 Did that correlate with what you saw? Um, yeah, definitely. It was about, about two weeks ago,

00:10:44.460 I would say. And they were kissing? Yeah. Do you know, where, where did you see them kissing?

00:10:48.240 Just coming out. I was riding with my bike, so I didn't see the whole thing, but, um, yeah,

00:10:53.920 they were, I saw them. Okay. It goes on and on and on this interview, but here you have it from

00:11:01.020 the neighbor. Yes, I saw them. Yes, they were dating. Yes, they were holding hands. Yes,

00:11:04.640 they were kissing. Yes, the guy was a transvestite. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. All of this being confirmed 0.99

00:11:09.720 on every single front. Furthermore, the Daily Mail confirms that the transgender partner of the 0.95

00:11:17.940 suspect here, uh, shared a post online to show support for Joe Biden. Apparently, uh, he has an

00:11:25.980 account on a website called furaffinity.net because they were furries, another weird deviant sexual

00:11:31.980 subculture. Uh, and, uh, he, uh, apparently posted on an online forum and said that, that he supported

00:11:39.720 Joe Biden. Furthermore, even beyond the trans identifying partner, we have, we have even clearer

00:11:47.120 evidence. We'll get to that momentarily first. Uh, I know a lot of people have a lot of questions,

00:11:50.760 a lot of thoughts about this national trauma. Uh, and some people don't know how to submit to the

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00:12:04.980 voice message. Keep it to 30 seconds, please send it in. We can talk about it on Friday here.

00:12:11.340 Once again, once again is governor Cox, NBC news, meet the press asked about the ideology.

00:12:19.240 See, is there any ambiguity in this answer? Well, look, I I've, I've talked to president

00:12:24.700 Trump, but president Trump is angry and he has every right to be angry. A lot of Americans are

00:12:29.600 very angry right now. And there clearly was a leftist ideology with, uh, with, with this,

00:12:36.060 uh, this assassin. And so I, I, I totally understand that anger. Furthermore, he goes on to tell the

00:12:42.140 wall street journal. It's very clear to us and to the investigators that this was a person who

00:12:45.960 was deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology. Okay. I could go on and on and on. We don't have

00:12:49.740 time. I want to get to the bigger point. How is it the case that my relative could write to me and

00:12:57.640 say, Michael, stop blaming the left. This, this shooter was a MAGA Republican. Cause I know he's

00:13:02.720 not the only one because I've seen the data on this. We'll get to that momentarily. I've heard

00:13:06.820 from you. I've seen the posts on social media. How is it given all of that evidence, all of the

00:13:13.940 evidence points to the clear, if he had held a giant billboard saying, I am an ideologically

00:13:20.060 consistent leftist while he committed his crime, it could not be clearer. How is it that people could

00:13:28.420 be confused because the liberal media are lying about it? Here's what CNN had to say. CNN,

00:13:36.520 the messages on the bullet casings also included a mix of memes and allusions to video games,

00:13:42.280 suggesting a deep immersion in an irony soaked online world where meanings can be difficult to

00:13:48.740 precisely decipher. Catch this fascist. Is that difficult to decipher? You sing an Antifa song, 0.96

00:13:54.860 Antifa, the most prominent left-wing terror organization in the country. Is that difficult

00:13:58.400 to decipher? He's dating a tranny. Is that difficult to decipher? Is any of this difficult 1.00

00:14:04.540 to decipher? The person that he's dating posts that he supports the left-wing presidential candidate.

00:14:11.160 Is that difficult to decipher? He had a conversation with his family shortly before the shooting in which

00:14:15.720 he talked about how much he hated Charlie Kirk from, from a left-wing perspective. Is that difficult?

00:14:20.760 I don't find any of that difficult to decipher. I do the, it's not just this. It's not just CNN,

00:14:27.300 the Guardian. The Guardian interviews the shooter's grandmother and uses this as evidence

00:14:34.800 that the shooter not only was not on the left, but might in fact even be on the right.

00:14:40.840 The grandmother's name, Debbie. My son, his dad is a Republican for Trump, Debbie told the outlet.

00:14:46.180 Most of my family members are Republican. I don't know any single one who's a Democrat. I'm just so

00:14:50.820 confused. Still, the Guardian goes on. She firmly rejects the idea that her grandson could be involved,

00:14:56.940 claiming she has never seen him handle a gun, let alone possess one. I don't think he ever shot a gun

00:15:01.880 to tell you the truth, she said. He doesn't hunt. He's never liked anything like that. I know he

00:15:06.940 doesn't own any guns. There you go. There's proof positive. Not only was the shooter not a Democrat,

00:15:15.400 not only was he not on the left, he was a Republican. Not only was he a Republican, he didn't even commit

00:15:20.300 the crime. Never mind all of the evidence. Never mind the fact that his father reportedly turned him

00:15:26.540 in after his father discovered that he had committed the crime, allegedly. Never mind any of that.

00:15:31.020 No, no, no. The Guardian says, no, no, no. He was on the right, and he didn't do it anyway.

00:15:37.180 And what's the evidence? The evidence, I kid you not, is Granny can't believe her precious little 0.94

00:15:43.400 grandson would do something like that. Nobody's grandmother. No criminal who's ever lived has a

00:15:51.520 grandmother who thinks that he could have done that. The evidence is Granny really loves her grandson.

00:15:56.920 son. But that's the sort of thing people are reading. Finally, New York Times. This one to me

00:16:04.720 is the piece de resistance. The police found messages after Kirk's killing. What they mean is

00:16:12.160 unclear. The messages relied on an enigmatic coded communication style used by the habitually

00:16:18.920 online. It's just so unclear. Catch this fascist, Italian Antifa song, weird sex stuff. It's totally 0.61

00:16:25.580 unclear. It's totally unclear. It's totally unclear. Is it unclear? Three professional writers

00:16:33.680 contributed to this article. Not one of them apparently is literate. I think it would be a

00:16:39.340 good idea for the New York Times, the gray lady, the paper of record to consider hiring writers who

00:16:44.360 are literate. Because listen, I don't know. I'm not some expert. I don't regularly write for fancy

00:16:52.180 prestige publications, but I can read catch this fascist. I can read the online postings of this

00:16:58.060 guy or of his transgender identifying partner. I can, are you confused? Is this unclear to you?

00:17:06.080 And here's the evidence, by the way, here's the evidence from the New York Times.

00:17:09.580 This is the best they could come up with. He was registered to vote, but was not affiliated with a

00:17:13.860 political party and appeared to have never voted in an election. His parents are both registered

00:17:18.580 Republicans. And I think that's where it comes from. That's the closest thing that these guys can

00:17:24.100 arrive at is they'll say, well, his family was Republican. Oh yeah. Yeah. Radical leftists have

00:17:31.480 never come from Republican families, right? They basically always come from Republican families 0.86

00:17:36.780 because leftism is just another way to say, screw you, dad. I'm not even just making that as a joke. 0.97

00:17:41.700 That is a fact. Think about the most radical left-wing people you've ever met. I bet more

00:17:48.400 times than not, those people come from relatively conservative families, at least in my experience,

00:17:53.380 they do. Because that kind of politics in itself is an act of rebellion. But even put that aside for

00:18:00.400 a second, just read what the suspect wrote in his own words on the bullets everywhere else. 1.00

00:18:06.060 Can the New York Times be this stupid? I refuse to believe that. I refuse to believe that. 1.00

00:18:13.080 The purpose here is to obscure. And this is ironic because the ostensible purpose of, excuse me,

00:18:19.680 I don't know why I'm losing my voice. I don't know. It's been a long week, folks. I don't know.

00:18:22.660 Maybe other people are losing their voices too. But the ostensible purpose of the news media

00:18:29.340 is to inform people. It's to tell people the truth, to make clear what is happening in our world.

00:18:39.300 And the irony is the obvious purpose of the New York Times in this article and of CNN and of the

00:18:45.680 Guardian and of all the rest of these outlets is to obscure. What they are obviously trying to do

00:18:50.820 is exactly the opposite of what journalism is for. They are trying to make sure you don't get to the

00:18:56.780 truth, to make sure you don't have a clear picture of what's happened. They're trying to obscure

00:19:01.100 everything because all of the evidence shows he was on the extreme left. And the misinformation is

00:19:10.800 working. It's not just my family member. It's not just some of your family members or some of your

00:19:17.440 friends who think that this person, the shooter, was on the right or was a MAGA Republican or something.

00:19:23.160 There was a survey just came out from YouGov, just conducted yesterday, I think it was,

00:19:28.920 2,355 U.S. adults. A plurality. When they had to choose one political party or the other,

00:19:37.960 the plurality think he's a Republican. 21% say that the shooter was a Democrat. 24% say that the

00:19:44.660 shooter was a Republican. And then further, 15% say that he was neither, which is technically,

00:19:51.520 though not really the correct answer. But he wasn't technically affiliated with any political

00:19:57.400 party. But if we're speaking of the political parties as broad political coalitions, the Democrat

00:20:01.580 being the left coalition, the Republican being the right coalition, even if this guy wasn't actually

00:20:07.320 showing up to vote as half of Americans don't show up to vote, he clearly aligned entirely with

00:20:13.480 the Democrats, not at all with the Republicans. 40% are unsure. The misinformation works.

00:20:20.320 People are more likely to believe that the shooter was a Republican than that he was a Democrat.

00:20:26.120 And what YouGov has also shown is that the left is much more likely to support political violence.

00:20:31.940 The left is two and a half times as likely to defend political violence as the right is.

00:20:36.520 So now you've got this bizarre reaction from the left. And this, I think, is a big reason why

00:20:44.680 Charlie's assassination has become such a national trauma for people. It's not even just the

00:20:50.600 assassination itself, though that was bad enough. That's traumatic enough. It's the realization that

00:20:56.600 people seem impervious to the truth. Many people refuse to see the truth as it is. And people have

00:21:05.920 this gut reaction. A lot of the country has this gut reaction to justify it, to say this kind of

00:21:12.840 political violence is justified, that a guy who only ever wanted to talk it out could be murdered

00:21:18.580 for expressing milquetoast opinions, centrist opinions, totally normal, common sense opinions.

00:21:25.980 And half the country would defend it. They would say, no, they would say, we, our side would not

00:21:31.640 have committed that political violence, but we would be justified to do so. That's what you're seeing

00:21:36.620 from the polls. That's what you're seeing play out on social media. That's what you're seeing even

00:21:41.000 from not just the fringes, but the elite people on the left. We'll get to that in one second.

00:21:46.540 First, though, my favorite comment last week is from Emiliam, 7898. Turning point, never a more

00:21:53.420 prophetic name of an organization by such a fearless leader. May his memory always be a blessing.

00:21:58.280 Turning point, absolutely. There's an expression, nomen est omen. The name, the name is an omen and a

00:22:06.040 harbinger of things to come. Turning point very much seems to be that way. The evidence that the

00:22:13.760 shooter is on the left is overwhelming and dispositive. Full stop, that's done. So now, the left, unable to

00:22:21.740 disprove it, struggling to obscure it, though having a reasonable degree of success, is going to move on

00:22:28.380 to its next objective, which is to say that it doesn't matter. The left may have succeeded thus far at

00:22:36.240 confusing people about what the shooter really believed, but the truth is going to come out.

00:22:40.220 There's going to be a trial. The evidence will be presented. They're not going to be able to keep

00:22:43.860 a lid on the truth forever. So, they have to move on to their next strategy, which is to say, well,

00:22:49.020 look, his political ideology does not really matter. Here, you have some left-wing analysts speaking to

00:22:54.120 Reuters.

00:22:54.440 There's no problem. I don't know who did this, and I sure hope that it was not from the left. That would

00:23:10.380 be better. But it doesn't matter, because the first Trump assassination also was not from the left.

00:23:18.020 It was just a guy who was going to also had Biden on his target list.

00:23:22.380 And it's been made in the ideology of this far right that you're seeing online.

00:23:27.060 It's part of a line, you know, Brett Kavanaugh, Trump assassination, now Charlie Kirk.

00:23:31.500 It doesn't matter that it wasn't from the left because that part has been erased in

00:23:35.620 the common litany of grievances.

00:23:38.840 And so, you know, I hope this wasn't from the left for all sorts of good reasons, but

00:23:43.460 I'm not sure it'll make that much of a difference.

00:23:44.980 Can you tell me why you say that?

00:23:46.440 Is it because you say that not as a I think I'm hearing you right that you say that not

00:23:51.240 as a person who is, oh, well, I'm from the left and I don't want it to be one of my people.

00:23:55.480 You're saying it as it's better to contain it on one side.

00:24:00.480 Like if it exists on one side, it's easier to contain than if you do actually have now

00:24:04.940 a burgeoning problem on the left where you're getting into a Hatfields versus McCoy.

00:24:10.800 Absolutely.

00:24:11.680 Absolutely.

00:24:12.180 I mean, it's just it's just about the momentum of violence, right?

00:24:15.360 Okay, I've heard enough.

00:24:16.740 I've heard enough.

00:24:17.420 You get the point. 0.96

00:24:20.140 Amazing lies coming from this woman. 0.99

00:24:22.060 She says, well, look, actually, that the man who nearly murdered Donald Trump and only

00:24:27.020 did not succeed, only blew off part of his ear because at the very last second, improbably,

00:24:30.880 he turned his head.

00:24:31.400 Well, that guy actually, he wasn't on the left.

00:24:37.780 Mind you, his only political donation he ever made was to act blue, was to the left, was to

00:24:42.920 the Biden machine.

00:24:45.640 Mind you, he tried to blow the head off the president.

00:24:48.800 No, no, no.

00:24:49.060 That wasn't from the left.

00:24:50.180 All the political violence comes from the right.

00:24:51.860 She's insinuating.

00:24:52.980 Sometimes these people say it explicitly.

00:24:56.140 Oh, no, it all comes from the right.

00:24:57.560 And this this shooter, he, you know, I really hope he wasn't from the left, but, you know,

00:25:00.740 he probably wasn't from the left.

00:25:02.420 And actually, it's all from the right.

00:25:03.900 And and then the Reuters says, well, hold on.

00:25:07.020 You're saying it'd be better if it's not on the left, not just because you don't want

00:25:09.600 blood on your hands, but no, because you think it's better to contain it to one side and

00:25:12.900 all of the violence is on the right as it is now.

00:25:14.620 Yes, yes, yes, exactly.

00:25:16.280 There's no political violence on the left.

00:25:18.540 Forget about BLM.

00:25:19.680 Forget about Antifa, the most prominent and active domestic terrorist organization in the country,

00:25:25.260 which has tried to blow me up, too.

00:25:27.880 And forget about the BLM, which committed political violence against the right for for

00:25:33.160 eight months, burned cities down, killed dozens of people.

00:25:37.420 Never mind.

00:25:38.500 Never mind.

00:25:39.360 Never mind.

00:25:40.680 All of the other campus events.

00:25:43.560 Where the left has not only shouted down right wing speakers, but attacked them not only in

00:25:48.140 America, though largely in America, but even overseas.

00:25:50.560 Forget all of that.

00:25:51.480 No, no, no.

00:25:52.160 The violence, it has to come from the left.

00:25:55.800 Despite all, or rather, the violence has to come from the right.

00:25:58.620 It can't come from the left, they say.

00:26:01.220 Despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

00:26:03.700 Then, because the evidence obviously points to the political violence being a left wing

00:26:09.220 problem.

00:26:10.380 The way that they get out of that is they cook the books.

00:26:13.040 I made this point during the show on Friday.

00:26:15.060 Seth Moulton, the Democrat congressman, was saying that the violence comes from the right.

00:26:18.480 75% of it comes from the right, not from the left.

00:26:20.520 I said, well, hold on.

00:26:21.080 That can't be true.

00:26:21.780 And then I just went back through the most prominent examples of left wing political

00:26:26.020 violence, including one that was against me from Antifa just a couple of years ago.

00:26:30.780 And I realized that the authorities just didn't classify it as left wing political violence.

00:26:35.640 They would downgrade everything.

00:26:37.400 Oh, it was just obstruction of justice.

00:26:39.140 Oh, it was not ideologically motivated.

00:26:41.100 It was motivated by a desire for attention.

00:26:42.880 Oh, oh, oh.

00:26:43.680 And they just write it out.

00:26:44.900 So the way that they can even come to those statistics is by just lying and by covering up

00:26:49.420 all of the left wing violence.

00:26:51.240 But this woman makes one very important point.

00:26:54.420 And this is the part that is really weighing heavily on a lot of people right now, which

00:26:58.700 is she says, well, look, it doesn't matter.

00:27:02.880 It doesn't really matter what the ideological motivations are.

00:27:07.040 And that's true, but it's true in a way that she doesn't realize.

00:27:10.660 Even if it came out that this shooter were on the right, which at this point, given this

00:27:18.380 evidence, it cannot, it is proven he is of the left in like every way that you can possibly

00:27:26.840 prove it.

00:27:27.660 But even if it were the case that it were somehow all irony, it were all just a big ruse and

00:27:34.320 he's actually a bow tie, Tweety, Mitt Romney voting Republican or something, even if that

00:27:39.960 were true, it wouldn't matter.

00:27:41.840 However, because of the reaction from the left, because the left, because the normie left has

00:27:51.040 shrugged its shoulders at or attempted to justify or outright celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination.

00:27:59.960 We'll get to all of that in a moment.

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00:29:06.380 The New York Times, no less prestigious a platform than the New York Times,

00:29:13.380 just ran a column by Hassan Piker.

00:29:16.720 Hassan Piker is a left-wing streamer.

00:29:19.920 Pretty popular.

00:29:21.360 Hassan Piker on Charlie Kirk.

00:29:22.780 The two men had very different politics,

00:29:24.240 but as a fellow star of a new political media class,

00:29:27.180 the left-wing streamer had a personal reaction

00:29:29.100 to Mr. Kirk's assassination.

00:29:31.180 I'm not even going to read it.

00:29:32.100 I don't see any reason to read the New York Times these days.

00:29:34.840 To put the fact that the New York Times would interview Hassan Piker

00:29:40.120 at this moment into perspective,

00:29:41.620 here's Hassan Piker talking about political violence. 1.00

00:29:45.540 Kill them. 1.00

00:29:46.440 Kill those. 1.00

00:29:47.340 Murder those in the street. 1.00

00:29:49.140 Let the streets soak in their red capitalist bloods. 1.00

00:29:54.240 Dude.

00:29:56.680 So, it's easy enough to listen to that guy and say,

00:29:59.380 man, he's a retrograde.

00:30:00.720 He's a Neanderthal. 0.98

00:30:02.060 He's not fit for polite society. 1.00

00:30:04.540 He should be exiled. 0.98

00:30:06.060 He's, what a joke.

00:30:07.360 First of all, he's relatively popular.

00:30:10.480 Second of all, he's being lifted up in the New York Times

00:30:14.580 as one of the voices to listen to in the wake of this assassination.

00:30:18.420 I could have said a couple of years ago that this guy was fringe.

00:30:25.800 Play it again.

00:30:26.420 Just for the people in the back seats. 1.00

00:30:29.860 Kill them. 1.00

00:30:30.680 Kill those. 1.00

00:30:31.600 Murder those in the street. 1.00

00:30:33.380 Let the streets. 1.00

00:30:34.840 Let the streets soak in their red capitalist bloods, dude. 0.98

00:30:39.400 The red capitalist blood.

00:30:40.900 He's not talking about Al-Qaeda here.

00:30:42.260 He wouldn't speak that way about Al-Qaeda.

00:30:43.900 He's not talking about geopolitical adversaries.

00:30:47.080 He's not talking about murderers.

00:30:48.060 He's not talking about rapists.

00:30:48.960 He's talking about capitalists.

00:30:53.620 He's talking about you.

00:30:55.960 He's saying that the streets should be soaked red in your blood.

00:31:03.240 In the blood of people who support relatively open markets and private property.

00:31:11.580 And that guy, I would have called him fringe, of course.

00:31:14.480 But I've noticed he's gotten more popular.

00:31:15.740 But now you can't really call him fringe left because he's being exalted by the New York

00:31:20.100 Times, which is the most prestigious outlet on the entire left.

00:31:24.880 So that's the elite.

00:31:28.100 Let's turn to another longstanding left-wing publication, The Nation.

00:31:32.300 Published this two days ago, three days ago.

00:31:35.020 Charlie Kirk's legacy deserves no mourning.

00:31:37.600 The white Christian nationalist provocateur wasn't a promoter of civil discourse.

00:31:43.080 He preached hate, bigotry, and division, just dancing on Charlie's grave.

00:31:46.440 A man who was murdered for politely advancing, centrist, moderate Republican ideas.

00:31:54.200 And speaking in a genteel and generous way with his opponents on college campuses.

00:32:00.160 The justifications for Charlie's assassination, the celebrations in some cases, are not just coming

00:32:08.260 from some weird...

00:32:08.980 There are always weirdos. 0.93

00:32:09.860 I'm sure there would be some weirdo on the right if a left-winger got killed.

00:32:12.680 There would be some fringe weirdo who would be shunned and condemned by everyone else on the right. 0.50

00:32:19.180 In this case, though, it's coming from the elite.

00:32:23.260 That is what is so distressing.

00:32:25.620 You want to talk elite.

00:32:26.740 The president of the Oxford Union, Charlie, was invited to speak at the Oxford Union.

00:32:32.520 I got an invite to speak at the Oxford Union, not that long ago.

00:32:34.920 And it's a similar...

00:32:37.240 It's a debate society.

00:32:38.420 We have some here.

00:32:39.120 There's the Yale Political Union.

00:32:40.600 It's a formal debate society where you're supposed to have civilized people following Robert's

00:32:44.440 rules of order, debating topics.

00:32:46.320 Charlie did a great, great job at the Oxford Union.

00:32:49.140 Here is what the president of the Oxford Union had to say.

00:32:52.700 George Abarananyi or something.

00:32:55.200 He says, all caps, Charlie Kirk got shot.

00:32:58.060 Let's effing go. 0.95

00:32:59.560 Prayers up. 0.97

00:33:01.200 Prayers up for his being shot.

00:33:03.980 Not to help him and protect him as he was shot, but celebrating the fact.

00:33:11.000 Thank you, God, that he was shot.

00:33:14.440 Lest there be any confusion, here is George Abarananyi describing his views of political

00:33:22.180 violence in extreme detail at the Oxford Union.

00:33:25.720 To effectively create change in the world we desire.

00:33:30.160 And Sideprop will argue that at times there is simply nothing else that can be required

00:33:33.960 other than violent retaliation.

00:33:35.900 And this is a view I wholeheartedly agree with.

00:33:38.340 The view that some institutions are too broken, too regressive, too oppressive to be reformed.

00:33:45.040 Like cancers of our society.

00:33:47.220 They must and they should be taken down by any means necessary.

00:33:51.220 Is that ambiguous too, New York Times?

00:33:53.420 You're going to write a bit?

00:33:54.060 That's just, I just, his message is so unclear.

00:33:56.420 The president of the Oxford Union, he, when he said that he wholeheartedly supports political

00:34:02.740 violence against people on the right, I just don't know what he could possibly mean.

00:34:09.180 This is jarring for a lot of people because of two things.

00:34:14.440 One, that guy is technically elite.

00:34:17.780 I know it's absurd that he walks into the Oxford Union wearing a do-rag. 1.00

00:34:21.460 It's absurd that he was admitted to Oxford.

00:34:24.020 It's absurd that he is tolerated in polite society.

00:34:26.940 But he is.

00:34:29.060 He's in there wearing something vaguely resembling a tuxedo.

00:34:32.860 He's the president of the Oxford Union.

00:34:34.700 And he's defending calls for violence against ordinary right-wingers.

00:34:41.740 And then he's celebrating when Charlie Kirk, the most mainstream right-wing talker and debater

00:34:46.780 in the world, was murdered.

00:34:49.000 And he is in the elite institutions.

00:34:52.840 That's the first reason.

00:34:54.080 The second thing that is really jarring for a lot of people is this guy knew Charlie Kirk

00:34:59.740 because this guy showed up to debate Charlie wearing a sweatsuit or something.

00:35:06.580 Again, just tells you a lot about our institutions.

00:35:09.760 But he showed up.

00:35:10.500 Now, this was, I don't think, at the Oxford, maybe this was at the Cambridge Union.

00:35:13.200 I can't quite tell.

00:35:14.540 But he met the guy.

00:35:15.660 He knew the guy.

00:35:19.220 And this is what's really striking a lot of people.

00:35:23.520 Charlie, look, obviously a lot of us knew Charlie and a lot of us were friends with Charlie.

00:35:28.980 Charlie had a lot of friends.

00:35:29.920 But some of us have known him for many, many years.

00:35:32.120 And so you think, all right, man, this has been really tough on people because,

00:35:36.880 I don't know, he's a friend of ours.

00:35:38.020 No, that's not why.

00:35:38.900 That's part of it for some of us.

00:35:42.060 But that's not why.

00:35:45.180 It's, I think, mostly the reaction.

00:35:49.200 The fact that people we know, family members, friends, people we grew up with, people we work with,

00:35:56.940 do not merely hate the way we vote.

00:36:01.080 Do not merely say nasty things about us.

00:36:03.560 Do not merely even call us hyperbolic terms like Nazis and Hitler or whatever.

00:36:10.320 Though those things are related, I guess. 0.97

00:36:13.620 They want us dead. 0.97

00:36:16.400 They're saying they want us dead. 0.97

00:36:19.400 I'm not reading the tea leaves.

00:36:21.360 The message is not ambiguous.

00:36:24.300 They want us dead. 0.99

00:36:26.680 They would be happy if we were murdered. 1.00

00:36:29.420 They would celebrate that, actually.

00:36:31.420 And I don't even think that they realize what they've done.

00:36:38.880 Maybe some of them do and they don't care.

00:36:40.800 But others, I don't think they do.

00:36:44.060 I remember years and years ago, Ann Coulter came to campus.

00:36:48.440 I was in college.

00:36:49.660 And my friends were going off, some of my friends were going off about how much they hated Ann Coulter

00:36:53.000 and how she was evil and calling her all sorts of terrible names.

00:36:54.900 And I said, you know, there's really not much difference between me and Ann Coulter. 0.97

00:36:57.880 They said, no, no, Michael, that's not, it's totally ridiculous.

00:36:59.800 I said, no, we kind of basically believe the same things.

00:37:02.660 The only difference is she's famous and I'm not famous.

00:37:05.860 And they kind of laughed it off or whatever.

00:37:07.880 They just wouldn't confront that fact.

00:37:10.400 And that's really, especially when you're talking about Charlie Kirk, who was much more moderate than Ann,

00:37:15.360 who was much more measured and centrist than Ann, or than really anybody on the right.

00:37:20.240 Because, because then the only answer that the left can have, your friends, your family, and your coworkers is,

00:37:28.260 no, no, no, we're happy that this guy got murdered, but we, we wouldn't want you to be murdered.

00:37:33.760 We wouldn't be happy if you were murdered.

00:37:35.340 I mean, yeah, we're happy he got murdered because of his beliefs, but no, there's a big difference between you and him.

00:37:40.880 He says his beliefs out loud.

00:37:45.200 That's the only difference.

00:37:46.780 The only difference between Charlie Kirk and half this country is he had the guts to say it out loud.

00:37:54.660 To state his moderate, normal, common sense views out loud.

00:37:59.440 And they murdered him for that.

00:38:02.740 And implicit in the broad, public, elite attempt to justify and explain away and shrug off and even celebrate his murder.

00:38:13.360 Implicit in all of that is a threat.

00:38:15.580 You shut your mouth or you're next.

00:38:17.660 And we'll cheer it on. 1.00

00:38:19.080 We'll dance on your grave.

00:38:20.900 That's what's implicit.

00:38:22.440 And that is 60% of the national trauma around Charlie Kirk's death.

00:38:28.800 The realization, the undeniable, I'm sorry to say, realization.

00:38:32.700 I try to give every grace I possibly can to the other side.

00:38:35.580 I try to see things from the other side's point of view.

00:38:37.700 I do my, I don't want to straw man anyone.

00:38:40.060 I, I, I know Charlie.

00:38:43.040 Charlie was very gracious to the other side.

00:38:45.000 And yet it's, it's, it's just undeniable.

00:38:47.360 It's just the New York times and it's CNN and it's the nation and it's the Reuters.

00:38:51.620 And it's, it's the head of the Oxford union.

00:38:56.020 And it's all of this. 0.99

00:38:58.800 Saying, no, we really do want you dead. 0.99

00:39:01.780 No, we really do. 0.96

00:39:03.200 What he said does justify his death.

00:39:05.880 Well, he was divisive.

00:39:07.140 He was controversial.

00:39:08.160 You better not be.

00:39:10.700 So what do we do in the face of all of that?

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00:39:17.340 And I think generally popular.

00:39:18.600 Some don't agree with it.

00:39:19.700 But I think it's the only thing we can do.

00:39:21.440 And it's, and it is what's happening right now.

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00:40:51.300 It is not possible to have an open marketplace of ideas when people shoot up the marketplace.

00:40:59.660 I made this point on the show on Thursday or Friday.

00:41:03.540 I posted a column to X about this that went pretty viral.

00:41:07.980 This is not a particularly radical opinion.

00:41:11.620 This is a pretty moderate opinion that has been the standard understanding of politics for a very, very long time.

00:41:19.420 But it's lost on some people now.

00:41:21.160 I don't know why.

00:41:22.100 Maybe people are too ideological in their thinking.

00:41:24.580 Maybe they've just been sloganeering too.

00:41:26.400 I don't know.

00:41:26.860 But we like healthy and robust debate.

00:41:30.380 That's a really good thing.

00:41:31.420 America has a great, wonderful tradition of that.

00:41:34.820 And we sometimes use this phrase, the marketplace of ideas, to describe it.

00:41:39.020 And I think that's actually an apt analogy.

00:41:41.440 It's an apt picture.

00:41:42.540 Because marketplaces are great, and there's wonderful exchange, and it can lead to flourishing and mutual enrichment.

00:41:48.500 But marketplaces have to have rules.

00:41:52.160 There have to be some rules.

00:41:53.960 You need to have common media of exchange.

00:41:55.800 You have to have trust in the marketplace.

00:41:58.140 You need to have some security in the marketplace.

00:42:00.100 You need to have rules that regulate the commerce in the marketplace.

00:42:02.940 When people undermine all of that, you cannot have a marketplace.

00:42:10.240 You cannot have, to use a phrase from G.K. Chesterton, the thought that stops thought.

00:42:16.240 We have a wonderfully open and healthy society in America, at least in principle.

00:42:23.500 But society is circumscribed by things like the Constitution, by the ideas articulated in the Declaration of Independence, by morality and religion, as the framers told us explicitly and repeatedly.

00:42:35.800 That the Constitution does not work to govern an immoral and many other such statements.

00:42:43.240 So, yes, we have a relatively open society, but it can only remain relatively open within certain constraints.

00:42:53.340 If you undermine those constraints, your society commits suicide.

00:42:57.220 That's what we're seeing here in the marketplace of ideas.

00:43:00.400 If you enter into the marketplace of ideas and say, we're going to shoot all of you if you disagree with me, you have not expanded the marketplace of ideas.

00:43:08.500 You have not contributed to the marketplace of ideas.

00:43:10.640 You have fundamentally undermined it.

00:43:12.280 So, even if you are a defender of the free marketplace of ideas, it is a fundamentally incoherent view to say that we should tolerate this kind of stuff.

00:43:22.520 And just as a purely practical political matter, we cannot continue as a country if half the country openly wants to murder the other half and openly celebrates the murder of the other half merely for expressing opinions, especially for expressing very moderate and centrist opinions.

00:43:40.980 It is not possible to go on that way.

00:43:43.640 You will not have the social trust that is requisite to have a country.

00:43:47.900 This is an urgent, urgent problem.

00:43:50.500 It's actually an existential problem.

00:43:52.480 Something has to be done about this.

00:43:54.800 I cannot go into a restaurant if I believe that the kitchen staff with the crazy colored hair and all the weird stuff and the crazy flags and everything.

00:44:05.660 If I believe that that person in the kitchen is going to poison my food because half the country wants to murder me for holding normal ideas, we can't have restaurants.

00:44:18.460 If I believe that if I believe that I go into a workplace and my coworker is salivating at the prospect of murdering everyone to the right of Hillary Clinton and celebrating that and calling for that and threatening that, then we can't have workplaces.

00:44:37.600 We can't have a country under those conditions, much less a free marketplace of ideas.

00:44:44.560 So, what must be done first is not, as some people are calling, merely to redouble our devotion to the free marketplace of ideas.

00:44:55.300 Maybe you can get to that eventually if you really want to.

00:44:57.840 But what must be done now is to reassert order.

00:45:02.360 Order is not contrary to liberty.

00:45:04.480 It's not contrary to freedom.

00:45:05.800 It's not contrary to the exchange of ideas.

00:45:08.320 It is the prerequisite for those things.

00:45:11.860 Liberty requires order. 0.96

00:45:13.320 You cannot simultaneously be free and ignorant.

00:45:16.640 You cannot simultaneously be free and undisciplined. 0.95

00:45:21.360 This is why we do not let toddlers vote.

00:45:24.400 We all recognize this.

00:45:26.040 Not only the founders and the framers, but every even semi-reasonable person.

00:45:29.300 We behave as though that is true all day long.

00:45:33.100 We must have order.

00:45:36.340 And I'll put that into really practical terms.

00:45:38.620 There need to be consequences for undermining the whole system. 0.98

00:45:45.880 People who go out and say that ordinary, normal conservatives should be murdered wholesale and the streets should soak in their blood. 0.76

00:45:54.980 Those people need to be ostracized from society. 0.96

00:45:58.440 They should be corrected first in charity and graciousness.

00:46:02.540 If they refuse to behave as they ought in the most basic ways that civilized people have to behave.

00:46:11.140 If they persist in particularly antisocial behaviors.

00:46:14.700 If they persist in particularly suicidal ideologies.

00:46:18.820 They need to be ostracized.

00:46:20.660 And I'll make it even more practical.

00:46:22.540 They need to lose their social standing.

00:46:24.780 They should not be welcome into polite society.

00:46:27.140 And in some cases, they should lose their jobs.

00:46:30.380 We didn't even get to all of the consequences that we're already beginning to see.

00:46:36.660 But there are some hopeful signs.

00:46:38.780 There are companies who are firing people for this.

00:46:41.700 And they need to.

00:46:43.220 They need to do it.

00:46:44.540 And with any political reform, I think one should always err on the side of caution.

00:46:50.120 Err on the side of restraint.

00:46:51.540 But I think a good place to start would be with people who are openly celebrating the murder of an innocent man whose only offense was expressing his opinion.

00:47:00.760 And that is happening now.

00:47:02.280 That is beginning to happen.

00:47:03.880 Microsoft has said comments celebrating violence against anyone are unacceptable and do not align with our values.

00:47:08.500 Office Depot said much the same thing.

00:47:10.440 NASDAQ.

00:47:11.140 Perkins Coy, a left-wing law firm.

00:47:13.520 Very prominent left-wing law firm said that.

00:47:15.300 This is not who we are.

00:47:16.160 We've separated from the individual who was celebrating the murder.

00:47:20.540 The Carolina Panthers.

00:47:22.700 Delta Airlines has suspended employees over these kinds of social media posts.

00:47:26.700 This is really, really important.

00:47:29.180 And I don't want people to be confused by this.

00:47:33.240 And I don't want them to be led astray by liberal ideologues, by the squishes. 1.00

00:47:41.440 Ask yourself, what is the purpose of the open marketplace of ideas?

00:47:46.060 You don't need to wonder that long.

00:47:47.640 The people who promoted this very idea going back to the Enlightenment, going back to the early days of liberalism, going back to writers like John Milton and John Locke.

00:47:57.200 They tell you the purpose of the open marketplace of ideas is to arrive at the truth.

00:48:04.980 The argument for the open marketplace of ideas is not just to amuse ourselves.

00:48:08.560 It's not just to threaten everybody.

00:48:09.880 It's not just to post funny memes.

00:48:12.260 It's to arrive at the truth.

00:48:13.640 The argument, and I'm not weighing in at all on whether this argument is convincing.

00:48:17.900 I'm just saying the argument is that by having more and more voices in the public square, eventually the good ideas are going to win out over the bad ideas.

00:48:24.700 And so then we're going to arrive at the truth.

00:48:28.020 The means by which this occurs in the open marketplace of ideas is through debate.

00:48:36.480 If you tolerate or even celebrate murder for debate, then you have fundamentally undermined the entire open marketplace of ideas.

00:48:50.260 Do you understand that?

00:48:51.120 This is what Chesterton means by the thought that stops thought.

00:48:54.140 This is what the squishes and the very shallow people, even on the putative right, just don't seem to understand. 0.82

00:49:02.060 The whole idea of the open marketplace of ideas is that we arrive at the truth through debate.

00:49:08.940 If you tolerate celebrating murder for debate, you've undermined the whole thing.

00:49:13.620 You haven't expanded the, you've committed ideological suicide.

00:49:18.460 We can't have that.

00:49:21.120 But we need, these companies are doing a very good job by firing these people.

00:49:26.780 In certain cases, in teachers, for instance, there was a teacher in Canada who showed the assassination video in 4K to a classroom of 10 and 11 year olds.

00:49:35.540 And then justified it, then celebrated it.

00:49:37.960 These people need to lose their jobs.

00:49:39.740 They need to face severe consequences.

00:49:41.260 Law enforcement, President Trump, through Stephen Miller, very ably saying that the government will go after left-wing terror organizations.

00:49:51.720 Antifa is an organized terror organization.

00:49:53.800 They have anarchist bookshops. 0.86

00:49:55.360 They make bombs. 0.99

00:49:56.720 They practice shooting us. 0.98

00:49:58.740 They attack us regularly.

00:50:01.160 And in the case of Charlie, they succeeded.

00:50:03.340 They need to be vigorously prosecuted.

00:50:05.980 They need to be vigorously suppressed and run out of society. 0.95

00:50:09.400 Not to undermine our liberty, as some ridiculous people are suggesting.

00:50:14.360 But in order to preserve our liberty, the only way that you can possibly preserve liberty, the only way that you can possibly preserve a healthy exchange of ideas, the only way that you can possibly preserve a flourishing society.

00:50:26.060 is by suppressing the elements that undermine anti-social, suicidal.

00:50:35.300 We have so much more to get to.

00:50:36.560 We just don't have time, so we'll have to get to more tomorrow.

00:50:39.560 Today is Music Monday, and very fittingly, Tom McDonald has a song dedicated to Charlie.

00:50:43.580 We will get to it.

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The Michael Knowles Show - September 15, 2025

Ep. 1814 - The Media Are Lying About Charlie Kirk’s Killer — Here Are the Facts

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