The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1817 - GOOD RIDDANCE： Jimmy Kimmel Off Air Over Charlie Kirk Lies

00:00:00.000 After Charlie Kirk's death, Jimmy Kimmel misled his viewers by telling them,

00:00:04.800 based on nothing and in direct contradiction of all available evidence,

00:00:09.640 that Charlie was murdered by one of his own political allies.

00:00:14.960 We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize

00:00:20.100 this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they

00:00:25.140 can to score political points from it. In between the finger pointing, there was

00:00:29.620 grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at half-staff, which got some criticism.

00:00:34.700 But on a human level, you can see how hard the president is taking this.

00:00:39.640 My condolences on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk. May I ask, sir, personally,

00:00:43.340 how are you holding up over the last day and a half, sir?

00:00:46.240 I think very good. And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks?

00:00:49.840 They've just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House,

00:00:53.660 which is something they've been trying to get, as you know, for about 150 years.

00:00:58.160 And it's gonna be a beauty.

00:00:59.620 Yes. He's at the fourth stage of grief, construction.

00:01:06.060 Demolition, construction. This is not how an adult grieves the murder of someone he called

00:01:13.260 a friend. This is how a four-year-old mourned.

00:01:15.680 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. You get it? Charlie Kirk was assassinated for having

00:01:22.460 open debate. And so, and that is, it's, it's, it's funny. It's funny. It's funny. Trump's reaction

00:01:30.120 is funny, is anyway. The weak punchline is not really the problem here. The problem is that first

00:01:37.620 part, when he says, ah, you know, those right-wingers, they were trying, they were spinning so hard to

00:01:43.420 pretend like, like Charlie was assassinated by some, anyone who wasn't one of their own.

00:01:48.080 The shooter engraved far left-wing messages on the bullets that he used to kill Charlie Kirk.

00:01:58.220 And then he confessed, allegedly, everything that he did to his trans-furry boyfriend.

00:02:07.880 Don't think he was a Berkey and conservative. It was a lie. It was a lie that Jimmy told his 1.00

00:02:13.120 audience. That was a few days ago. As of last night, Jimmy Kimmel doesn't have a job.

00:02:17.840 This is a great move by ABC. And it follows many other very wise personnel decisions by major

00:02:25.400 corporations this week in response to the many employees across the country who have minimized,

00:02:32.220 and even in some cases celebrated, the assassination of a young man who only ever tried to talk it out.

00:02:38.320 If the message was not clear already, it should be clear as day to everyone on the left by now.

00:02:44.760 Now, we have had enough, and the consequences will continue until behavior improves.

00:02:51.600 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:05:02.680 Jimmy Kimmel was not fired merely for a bad joke.

00:05:09.400 Jimmy Kimmel was not fired merely because of pressure from the federal government,

00:05:15.820 as some people are saying.

00:05:18.920 And Jimmy Kimmel's firing is a good thing.

00:05:21.660 But let's just take each of those steps.

00:05:25.320 Jimmy Kimmel hasn't even permanently been fired yet.

00:05:28.960 He's been indefinitely suspended by ABC.

00:05:31.040 ABC made that decision.

00:05:33.960 If you had an employee who mocked the assassination of a political debater

00:05:41.500 merely for stating his opinion and hearing out the other side,

00:05:44.540 if you ran any corporation anywhere in the country and you had an employee who did that,

00:05:49.740 it would be the right thing to do to fire that employee.

00:05:54.260 For all of the reasons that we've been discussing all week,

00:05:57.180 because that would be an example of the thought that stops thought.

00:06:00.520 That would be the kind of thing that would obstruct the operation of your business because

00:06:06.640 you'd have all of your other employees sitting next to this person in the cubicle wondering

00:06:10.980 if that person were taking the steps to murder them.

00:06:16.000 He would openly celebrate their murder. 0.97

00:06:18.820 He would encourage their murder.

00:06:21.020 You can't run a corporation that way.

00:06:22.940 You can't run a hospital in which the nurses are credibly suspected of trying to kill the patients.

00:06:28.300 You can't run a restaurant if the customers think that the servers and the kitchen staff are trying to poison them.

00:06:34.900 It doesn't work.

00:06:37.000 You can't have a country with open debate and the free exchange of ideas

00:06:41.580 when some people in that marketplace of ideas are actively trying to murder the other people.

00:06:48.100 That doesn't expand the marketplace of ideas.

00:06:50.400 That actually restricts it.

00:06:51.660 It undermines the whole thing.

00:06:52.800 So if you were in any other company, you would be wise to fire Jimmy Kimmel just for that.

00:06:58.740 But that's not why Jimmy Kimmel was fired.

00:07:01.660 Jimmy Kimmel was fired for advancing a lie in contravention of all available evidence

00:07:08.760 immediately after a major national trauma and tragedy.

00:07:11.880 And he was not fired because of government pressure.

00:07:18.320 He was fired because of the wise decision of ABC, though that was done in concert with federal regulators

00:07:25.280 looking into the misdeed that Jimmy Kimmel committed.

00:07:29.180 Here we have Brendan Carr, the chairman of the FCC, speaking on Benny Johnson's show.

00:07:35.520 But frankly, when you see stuff like this, I mean, look, we can do this the easy way or the hard way.

00:07:42.080 These companies can find ways to change conduct, to take action, frankly, on Kimmel.

00:07:49.000 Or, you know, there's going to be additional work for the FCC.

00:07:51.780 Again, there's actions that we can take on licensed broadcasters.

00:07:54.200 And frankly, I think that it's really sort of past time that a lot of these licensed broadcasters themselves

00:07:59.860 push back on Comcast and Disney and say, listen, we are going to preempt.

00:08:04.520 We are not going to run Kimmel anymore until you straighten this out.

00:08:09.280 Because we, we licensed broadcaster, are running the possibility of fines or licensed revocations from the FCC

00:08:15.240 if we continue to run content that ends up being a pattern of news distortion.

00:08:20.980 Great, great point.

00:08:22.100 And here you're going to lose some libertarians and here you're going to lose some squishy types. 1.00

00:08:26.000 But you shouldn't because what they're going to say is, well, ABC News is a private corporation

00:08:31.200 and ABC News should have the right to let its comedians go on TV and lie and make jokes in poor taste.

00:08:40.760 And forget the joke for a second.

00:08:43.500 The joke in poor taste is a little bit of a red herring.

00:08:46.760 It's the lies that we're talking about here.

00:08:49.240 Because these news networks are not merely private corporations.

00:08:53.020 These news networks are licensed broadcasters.

00:08:56.620 They require licenses from the government.

00:08:59.520 They have a purpose, which is, in the case of news, to tell the truth, to inform the public.

00:09:05.940 That's why the government supports them in their mission.

00:09:08.880 When those news broadcasters are contradicting the truth, obscuring the truth, undermining the truth,

00:09:16.460 the government has not only a right but a responsibility to hold them to account.

00:09:22.160 They only exist.

00:09:23.340 They only receive their licenses to inform the public.

00:09:27.280 An honest mistake here or there, okay, that's understandable.

00:09:30.240 But to go out after a clear political assassination by a very, very clear assassin

00:09:35.680 and to flip the story on its head, to tell the opposite of the truth,

00:09:42.440 merely to score political points or to pander to your left-wing political base, that is unacceptable.

00:09:49.220 And so Brendan Carr says we can do this the easy way or the hard way.

00:09:51.380 And ABC chose the easy way, it seems, and indefinitely suspended Kimmel.

00:09:58.180 But what's the hard way?

00:10:00.120 Pace, libertarians and squishes, the hard way is not, you know, Mussolini showing in

00:10:05.760 and beating his enemies into submission with a billy club.

00:10:09.200 The hard way is regulating these industries as they are intended to be regulated.

00:10:16.000 The hard way is the government simply doing its basic job.

00:10:21.460 Explain to me, if this is out of line, what the FCC exists for in the first place.

00:10:28.220 Explain to me what a licensed news network is.

00:10:31.980 You would not be able to.

00:10:33.180 Brian Stelter, the former CNN journalist, I don't know who he's working for now, if anyone.

00:10:40.240 He's another one who felt the consequences of his bad work.

00:10:43.120 He tweeted out, he says, I asked FCC Chair Brendan Carr if he had any new comment

00:10:47.240 now that ABC has pulled Jimmy Kimmel's show, and he sent me this gif.

00:10:50.540 And it's the office doing the raise the roof symbol.

00:10:54.380 That's a beautiful response.

00:10:57.720 The consequences will continue until behavior improves.

00:11:01.380 This national trauma, not merely the assassination of Charlie Kirk, actually more so the reaction

00:11:10.000 to the assassination of Charlie Kirk from people in elite media, from professionals, from educators,

00:11:18.480 from government officials in some cases.

00:11:20.720 The reaction to Charlie's murder, the minimization of it, and in some cases, the celebration of it,

00:11:27.640 marks, pardon the phrase, a turning point.

00:11:30.380 That's the second national trauma on top of the first one, watching this emblem of civil debate

00:11:37.540 be murdered on stage for stating his opinions.

00:11:40.420 It's that second national trauma that has impelled, I think, some of the reaction here.

00:11:45.860 Because it's a recognition by half the country that the other half, large numbers of people,

00:11:52.920 including normal people in the other half, want to murder us.

00:11:57.240 And we cannot have a country that way.

00:11:59.760 We cannot have an open marketplace of ideas that way.

00:12:02.200 We can't do anything that way.

00:12:04.320 We want to have flourishing.

00:12:05.940 We want to have open, healthy discussion.

00:12:08.940 In order to achieve that under these conditions, we must reestablish order.

00:12:14.720 Liberty requires order.

00:12:17.480 And order, in this case, means suppressing the people who are undermining the whole system.

00:12:24.640 For example, the kind of people who celebrate the murder of an innocent man.

00:12:28.800 The rejoinder to this that you're going to hear from some libertarians and some squishes

00:12:34.160 is that we should have let the free market do its work.

00:12:38.740 Jimmy Kimmel's ratings were suffering anyway.

00:12:41.240 He was talentless.

00:12:43.140 His show has been unbearable for years.

00:12:45.780 And so his ratings were going to drop, and he was going to be fired eventually anyway.

00:12:49.140 So why immunitize the eschaton here? 1.00

00:12:51.720 Why would we make him a political martyr when he was going to go away anyway?

00:12:59.300 I believe that that point of view, I understand it.

00:13:03.900 I've heard it.

00:13:04.680 I've probably felt it at times myself.

00:13:06.160 I think that point of view makes the same laissez-faire error that is made by the people

00:13:13.420 who oppose the firings generally of those who celebrate murder.

00:13:17.420 It's this laissez-faire error that doesn't merely appreciate the efficiency of free markets,

00:13:23.400 for instance, that doesn't merely appreciate the truth that can come about as a matter of

00:13:31.120 open debate, but that actually makes an idol out of those things, that makes an idol out

00:13:36.480 of the so-called invisible hand, the invisible hand of the free market, which is really just

00:13:40.980 providence for atheists.

00:13:42.240 I think it makes that error because we've tried that for decades.

00:13:47.760 We on the right have tried that.

00:13:49.260 The left comes into power, wields power in a heavy-handed and unjust way, and then we

00:13:55.140 respond by winning elections and not wielding power at all in neither a just nor an unjust

00:14:00.400 way.

00:14:01.600 We just don't wield power at all because what we say following this argument is, well, we

00:14:06.340 don't want to do anything because if we do something that will set the precedent for Democrats

00:14:10.860 to do something against us in the future, and heaven forfend, we have that.

00:14:15.640 We are not going to address current real social problems and injustices because of some

00:14:21.660 hypothetical injustice that might occur in the future that is actually already occurring

00:14:26.780 now from the other side against us.

00:14:28.940 I think it's very, very weak.

00:14:30.520 I see no evidence that no matter how low the ratings got, ABC was going to cancel Jimmy

00:14:35.260 Kimmel anytime soon.

00:14:37.020 And I see a lot of evidence that the lies, the fraud, the deceit that is being perpetuated

00:14:44.480 by these people, not to say the wrath that is ginned up by those who celebrate the murder

00:14:51.020 of Charlie Kirk, the immense damage done to the so-called free marketplace of ideas by the

00:14:55.920 mere celebration of murder like this.

00:14:57.900 I see real problems occurring right now, and we need to do something to stop those in accordance

00:15:04.140 with justice and in the advance of the common good.

00:15:06.900 You have to do something about that.

00:15:09.720 Your invisible hand, your providence for atheists is not always going to save you. 1.00

00:15:14.980 That's magical thinking with very, very little evidence.

00:15:18.840 We have to have the moral courage to do stuff.

00:15:24.740 And conservatives have not had, it's not that conservatives have always lacked a moral

00:15:27.940 vision.

00:15:28.620 Sometimes they have a moral vision.

00:15:30.200 What they lack is courage.

00:15:31.360 What they lack is resolve.

00:15:34.120 What they lack is fortitude, which is the prerequisite of all the other virtues.

00:15:36.880 Kimmel's indefinitely suspended.

00:15:41.080 That's a good start.

00:15:43.520 We will keep this up.

00:15:45.560 We have had enough.

00:15:46.860 We have seen enough.

00:15:47.600 We have had enough.

00:15:48.860 We will keep this up in a circumscribed, just, prudent way in advance of the common good.

00:15:54.140 We will keep this up until the behavior improves.

00:15:57.440 Simple as.

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00:17:07.480 Another great example of President Trump hearing this message, understanding the moment, and

00:17:14.180 restoring order, the order without which liberty is not possible.

00:17:17.300 President Trump has just posted to Truth Social that he will be categorizing Antifa as

00:17:23.580 a major terrorist organization.

00:17:25.180 I want to get his words exactly right because this is a little bit confusing.

00:17:29.700 He says, I am pleased to inform our many USA patriots that I am designating Antifa, all

00:17:36.080 caps, a sick, dangerous, radical left disaster as a major terrorist organization.

00:17:41.480 I will also be strongly recommending that those funding Antifa be thoroughly investigated in

00:17:46.120 accordance with the highest legal standards and practices.

00:17:48.340 Thank you for your attention to this matter.

00:17:49.560 I was just speaking to my father yesterday, catching up on everything, and I mentioned this.

00:17:56.700 I said, you know, something concrete that I really hope comes out of this is that the

00:18:00.560 federal government actually moves in to dismantle left-wing terror organizations, the most notable

00:18:06.760 being Antifa.

00:18:07.860 I said, because it's the same problem as the people who think that the shooter was a Republican.

00:18:13.440 It's the same problem as the people who listen to the Jimmy Kimmels and the news networks and

00:18:20.800 they believe lies.

00:18:22.900 People think that Antifa doesn't exist.

00:18:24.900 I can promise you Antifa exists.

00:18:26.600 Antifa has tried to blow me up before.

00:18:28.860 There's a person in federal prison right now because he worked with Antifa to try to blow 0.92

00:18:34.780 me up on a college campus, other such cases.

00:18:38.960 I'm surprised he is in prison because often left-wing violence goes unrecognized and left-wing

00:18:44.840 terrorists go unpunished.

00:18:47.060 This is real.

00:18:47.940 Antifa stands for anti-fascist.

00:18:50.060 It's a collective of anarchists and communists.

00:18:53.400 They meet in bookshops.

00:18:54.880 They build bombs.

00:18:56.140 In fact, the Antifa operative who's in federal prison for trying to attack me was caught multiple

00:19:02.280 times with explosive material on him going through TSA and allowed to board the plane anyway.

00:19:06.640 We're not talking about some nerds who read Das Kapital and talk about how much they love

00:19:12.320 Herbert Marcuse or something. 0.88

00:19:13.580 We're talking about terrorists, people who train and build bombs to murder conservatives

00:19:19.760 and who sometimes succeed.

00:19:22.920 They are an organization.

00:19:24.680 Now, they're anarchists, so it's not the most tightly run organization, but it is organized.

00:19:30.240 It is recognizable as a group with a collective identity, and it needs to be dismantled.

00:19:36.640 And its members need to be ruthlessly prosecuted and suppressed.

00:19:40.320 They are profoundly antisocial elements.

00:19:42.600 They threaten the entire country. 0.99

00:19:44.140 They are, as President Trump says, terrorists.

00:19:47.780 There's a problem, though, which is that when we're talking about foreign terrorists like

00:19:51.800 Al-Qaeda or Trendyaragua, for that matter, we can bring the full weight of U.S. military

00:19:57.780 might to bear to suppress them.

00:20:00.240 That is not true for domestic terrorists.

00:20:03.360 That is not true for domestic organized crime generally.

00:20:07.040 You don't send in the 101st Airborne to take down the mafia or to take down the Ku Klux Klan 0.60

00:20:11.920 or to take down Antifa.

00:20:13.640 That said, we have taken down the mafia, and we have taken down the Ku Klux Klan, and we

00:20:18.660 have taken down other terror groups.

00:20:20.800 The way you have to do it is a little bit different, though.

00:20:23.820 So, President Trump here points to one way that it can happen, which is these guys do

00:20:28.900 get money.

00:20:30.020 They get money through various NGOs, trickled down from various extremely wealthy left-wing

00:20:37.320 investors.

00:20:40.460 The sources of the money need to be investigated.

00:20:42.780 And, where appropriate, they need to be punished.

00:20:47.320 Furthermore, you could bring a RICO charge.

00:20:52.520 There's a prospect of racketeering charges against these left-wing groups.

00:20:56.500 That's the way that the government took down the mob.

00:20:59.260 Furthermore, you could revoke the tax-exempt status of the liberal nonprofits and NGOs that

00:21:04.880 fund these groups.

00:21:06.000 That's one way to take them down.

00:21:07.300 Furthermore, you could put informants into these groups and bring conspiracy charges against

00:21:14.660 these people when they plan a tax on conservatives.

00:21:18.140 That's how they took down the KKK.

00:21:19.780 There are many mechanisms available to the government to take these people down.

00:21:25.300 I am extraordinarily gratified to see that the Trump administration is taking this seriously.

00:21:31.080 How much more do we need to see?

00:21:32.560 When it was just Antifa showing up and making a ruckus outside of conservative speaker events 0.96

00:21:38.860 on campus 10 years ago, I guess people look the other way.

00:21:42.460 When it was just Antifa burning people in effigy on the streets or defacing monuments

00:21:49.260 or maybe occasionally punching some conservatives, shoving some conservatives, shutting down some

00:21:55.260 conservative event, I guess people look the other way.

00:21:57.020 Left-wing ideologues have assassinated the most prominent emblem of civil debate on the right.

00:22:09.900 Something fundamentally has changed.

00:22:14.360 Add on top of that, the large-scale support for political violence from the left against

00:22:21.240 the right reflected not only in the media, not only on social media, but also in the public

00:22:26.280 opinion polls we've seen, for example, from YouGov in recent days, something fundamentally

00:22:30.180 has to change.

00:22:32.040 The laissez-faire approach, the idol of the invisible hand of the free market working everything

00:22:39.220 out, that false ideology, which has always been false but is now manifestly false, that

00:22:44.640 has been proven to be a God that has failed.

00:22:46.300 And we must once again return to the actual American political tradition, which is self-government

00:22:54.560 in defense of the unalienable rights with which we are endowed by our creator through representative

00:23:01.860 government that really can wield power.

00:23:04.740 We have not only individual rights, but the political right to have a country in which the

00:23:11.760 defense of natural rights is possible and in which flourishing is possible as well.

00:23:16.820 That's what Trump is getting.

00:23:18.840 That's what we're seeing.

00:23:19.740 It's a beautiful, beautiful thing.

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00:24:45.160 A couple days ago, the Republicans voted to get tougher on crime in Washington, D.C.

00:24:52.620 Washington, D.C. is the federal district.

00:24:54.280 It is under the control of Congress, ultimately.

00:24:57.360 And the Congress voted on a bill to get tough on crime in D.C.

00:25:01.280 Now, what do we mean by tough on crime?

00:25:02.540 This isn't exactly Franco's Spain here, okay?

00:25:06.620 We're not talking about Xi Jinping's prison camps.

00:25:09.380 We're talking about a bill that would, for instance, require people who are ages 18 to

00:25:17.940 24 and commit crimes to be charged as adults.

00:25:22.720 You're probably scratching your heads.

00:25:24.220 I probably have to say that again.

00:25:25.540 The bill would simply require adults ages 18 to 24 when they commit crimes to be charged as adults.

00:25:34.980 Now, you're probably saying, well, what's happening now?

00:25:36.980 What's happening now is that in Washington, D.C., some gangster can go rape a woman, steal a car, and murder an entire family.

00:25:47.680 And if he's 24 years old, he could be charged as a minor in principle because 18 to 24-year-olds can be charged as minors.

00:25:57.320 Does that make sense?

00:25:58.400 Is a 24-year-old a minor?

00:25:59.800 Is a 24-year-old a child?

00:26:00.780 I don't think so.

00:26:01.560 So this bill would do that.

00:26:02.460 Now, slightly more controversially, the bill would lower the age at which someone can be charged as an adult for first-degree murder, sexual assault, armed robbery, or assault to, in some cases, 14.

00:26:16.760 Now, this, some people might say, well, 14-year-olds, they're so young.

00:26:19.800 Well, the problem is when you look at rates of crime in D.C., teenagers as young as 14, and specifically black teenagers, are committing these very, very serious crimes at very, very high rates.

00:26:33.480 And if they're merely charged as minors, you can't do anything about the problem.

00:26:37.140 It's a terribly unfortunate situation, but there are two paths forward, two options.

00:26:44.540 You can either ignore the problem and allow more people to be raped and assaulted and robbed and murdered in the hopes that the invisible hand of the free market or something will fix that problem in the end, eventually, through, I don't know, cultural changes or increased standards of living or something.

00:27:03.860 Or you can get a little tougher on crime.

00:27:10.300 What do you think is going to help fix the problem?

00:27:13.820 Look the other way, bury your head in the sand and hope for the best, or use the police to arrest the criminals and hold them to greater accountability?

00:27:22.460 It's obviously the latter.

00:27:24.180 That's all this bill does.

00:27:26.800 Every Republican in Congress voted to advance this.

00:27:32.560 There were two exceptions.

00:27:34.140 One didn't vote.

00:27:36.920 One voted no.

00:27:39.380 Who voted no?

00:27:41.660 The ever-principled Thomas Massey.

00:27:44.980 Thomas Massey.

00:27:48.120 Thomas Massey, probably the chief political enemy of Donald Trump within the Republican Party these days.

00:27:55.080 But Thomas Massey, who has, in recent months, really opposed Trump, supposedly on principled grounds.

00:28:02.200 I have nothing against Thomas Massey, personally.

00:28:06.560 Thomas Massey is wrong here.

00:28:09.500 And his defenders are going to say, well, he's so principled.

00:28:11.400 He's a principled libertarian.

00:28:13.600 And so, I guess his principled libertarian argument is that you shouldn't try teenagers as adults.

00:28:20.320 You should, if you want to prosecute them, you should increase the penalties for teenagers.

00:28:24.560 Or I don't know.

00:28:25.400 He hasn't spoken at length on this.

00:28:26.700 But let's just say that his views are principled.

00:28:31.740 I'm willing to admit that.

00:28:33.700 Or I'm not willing to admit that.

00:28:35.560 I'm willing to entertain that possibility.

00:28:37.880 I think a lot of Massey's behavior is driven by the fact that Trump is his political enemy.

00:28:41.980 And he wants to gun after him before he's thrown out of office.

00:28:46.240 But let's just say, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

00:28:49.720 I got nothing against the guy, personally.

00:28:51.340 Let's say that this vote came from his principles.

00:28:57.380 In that case, the problem is that his principles are wrong.

00:29:01.380 You can be very, very principled and wrong.

00:29:06.040 Having principles and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee if your principles are useless.

00:29:12.780 And unfortunately, we've seen this with a handful of other members of Congress and even of the Senate.

00:29:19.560 They're so concerned with appearing politically pure that they never do anything.

00:29:25.480 They never do anything to advance the cause of good.

00:29:28.500 And sometimes they side with the bad guys to undermine good and advance evil based on principles.

00:29:37.720 That's not a good principle because the chief political principle is prudence.

00:29:42.780 That's the paramount political virtue.

00:29:46.420 Not at the exclusion of justice and courage, temperance, and all the other stuff.

00:29:53.120 But in this case, if your principles are leading you to vote against a bill to get a little tougher on crime in D.C.,

00:29:59.800 which has descended into third world chaos, I think you ought to rethink your principles.

00:30:07.380 But then I don't share those principles because I'm not a libertarian.

00:30:09.760 Speaking of principles, the Holy Father, Pope Leo XIV, has just come out swinging against wealth inequality.

00:30:19.480 Now, you know, the terms left and right are relatively modern terms compared to the history of the church.

00:30:25.400 The church is 2,000 years old.

00:30:26.660 The terms left and right in politics are 230 years old.

00:30:31.180 It comes from the French Revolution.

00:30:32.700 The atheists and the libs sat on the left side of the National Assembly. 0.83

00:30:36.600 The monarchists and the Christians sat on the right side. 1.00

00:30:41.500 So sometimes popes seem like they're a little bit on the left.

00:30:45.100 Sometimes they seem like they're on the right.

00:30:46.420 Even Pope Francis, who was notably more liberal than many of his predecessors,

00:30:52.340 on the one hand, he would talk about climate change. 0.95

00:30:54.860 And then on the next breath, he would say that gay marriage is a machination of the father of lies 0.90

00:30:58.640 that seeks to deceive and confuse the children of God.

00:31:02.080 On the one hand, he would promote mass migration. 0.98

00:31:06.100 On the other hand, he would say that transgenderism is a lie and that abortion is like hiring a hitman.

00:31:12.980 So the politics don't map neatly.

00:31:15.860 But in this case, especially with Pope Leo XIV appearing much more traditional,

00:31:21.680 much more like a normal pope, I'm really gratified by the early days of his pontificate,

00:31:27.220 and I'm really excited about it.

00:31:28.960 But there are going to be some people who say, okay, well, here comes the left-wing stuff.

00:31:32.920 Here's the pope complaining about wealth inequality.

00:31:35.480 Here we go.

00:31:36.740 I can't wait for President Trump and the American conservatives to shoot that nonsense down.

00:31:41.240 What does President Trump have to say?

00:31:42.980 Pope Leo the other day in the interview criticized the fact that some CEOs make hundreds of times

00:31:49.780 more in salary than average workers.

00:31:52.380 He's worried about polarization.

00:31:54.100 Do you share that concern?

00:31:56.160 Well, I do say there's a big gap.

00:31:58.320 I do say that.

00:31:59.500 Don't forget, I'm a popularist.

00:32:01.840 There is a big gap.

00:32:03.040 Mr. President.

00:32:04.100 What?

00:32:05.720 What?

00:32:06.360 No.

00:32:06.880 Hold on.

00:32:08.360 Trump is the Republican president.

00:32:10.220 He's a conservative.

00:32:11.080 He's a billionaire on top of that.

00:32:13.620 He's supposed to smack down the pope for bringing up a problem brought about by wealth inequality.

00:32:20.980 He's supposed to own him with facts and logic.

00:32:23.080 The pope comes out.

00:32:23.720 His direct words were, yesterday the news said that Elon Musk is going to be the first trillionaire

00:32:29.140 in the world.

00:32:29.600 What does that mean?

00:32:30.240 And what's that about?

00:32:30.960 If that is the only thing that has value anymore, then we're in big trouble.

00:32:35.520 He says there's a problem if what we primarily value is money, if that's all that we value,

00:32:39.820 and if you have this massive inequality.

00:32:41.860 Trump, you say you agree?

00:32:44.460 Yes, of course.

00:32:47.820 Of course.

00:32:48.920 And why?

00:32:49.240 He says, because I'm a popularist.

00:32:50.820 I love that.

00:32:51.320 I like that change.

00:32:51.960 He's not just a populist.

00:32:52.740 He's a popularist.

00:32:53.480 It's true.

00:32:53.740 He's very popular, too.

00:32:55.560 But this is right.

00:32:56.940 He's right.

00:32:57.600 And the Holy Father makes a good point.

00:33:00.780 Because we like free markets.

00:33:03.020 Pope John Paul II said this in Centesimus Annus, which is an encyclical to celebrate 100 years

00:33:07.740 of Rerum Novarum, which was an encyclical by Pope Leo XIII, from whom Pope Leo XIV took

00:33:12.640 his name.

00:33:13.560 And in it, the popes criticized socialism immensely, criticized communism.

00:33:19.260 In Centesimus Annus, Pope John Paul II says that free markets are the most efficient way

00:33:23.520 to allocate goods and services around an economy.

00:33:25.740 Certainly true.

00:33:27.240 But we are not merely a political order and political community serving an economy.

00:33:32.340 We're not making an idol out of this thing.

00:33:34.960 We like the forces that move about in market economies.

00:33:37.380 Generally speaking.

00:33:38.880 But we don't serve them.

00:33:39.860 We don't make an idol out of the invisible hand.

00:33:43.020 We don't make an idol out of the market.

00:33:45.840 We don't flip our society on its head to say that we are not merely citizens who benefit

00:33:51.520 from markets, but rather we are slaves to the all-knowing, all-powerful free market.

00:33:56.580 No, no, no.

00:33:58.320 Can't be doing that.

00:34:01.200 And Pope Leo is pointing out there are corrosive effects to massive wealth inequality.

00:34:07.380 To the individual, to the individual accruing massive wealth, divorced from the political

00:34:13.220 community because it makes us avaricious.

00:34:15.520 Avarice being the beginning of ills in the city forever.

00:34:19.080 And it makes us consider ourselves simply as individuals with private interests rather than

00:34:25.320 as social creatures in pursuit of the common good who benefit from the common good.

00:34:30.760 That's one reason.

00:34:32.440 And because it leads to social unrest.

00:34:35.360 It reminds me of a line.

00:34:36.320 I feel so vindicated, man.

00:34:37.940 I said this about Trump when Trump was talking about sending in the troops to go fix the cities.

00:34:46.120 I said, the libertarians and the individualists and the chamber of commerce Republicans, they're

00:34:50.740 going to say, don't let that happen.

00:34:51.920 Let New York City burn.

00:34:52.940 Let Oakland burn. 0.96

00:34:53.800 Let Chicago burn. 0.69

00:34:54.640 Who cares about them? 0.99

00:34:55.760 That's them.

00:34:56.320 I'm going to be here in my nice red rural area.

00:34:58.760 Say, that's not the right attitude.

00:35:00.560 Because one, it abandons major cities.

00:35:03.940 These are my cities.

00:35:04.680 These are American cities.

00:35:05.520 We have a right to those cities to some degree.

00:35:08.260 And it tells a lot of your countrymen who maybe don't have all the resources, the financial

00:35:15.020 resources, the political resources.

00:35:16.620 It tells them, hey, we're going to go live in our gated communities where we don't have

00:35:19.520 to deal with crime, where we can send our kids to good schools.

00:35:23.360 We don't have to deal with any of that stuff.

00:35:24.880 We're going to be here.

00:35:25.840 We're not telling you to code to our gates.

00:35:27.600 But you guys, fend for yourselves.

00:35:30.160 And if your families die from fentanyl and gangster bullets, that's too bad.

00:35:34.880 Fix it yourselves.

00:35:36.780 And Trump comes in.

00:35:37.640 He says, no, no.

00:35:38.680 We're not going to be two nations like that.

00:35:40.360 We're not going to be two nations of haves and have-nots.

00:35:42.640 We're going to have one nation. 0.68

00:35:43.660 One nation Trumpism.

00:35:45.120 So one nation conservatism is a phrase from the British politician, Benjamin Disraeli,

00:35:49.480 who had another great observation.

00:35:51.480 And this is the key to it all.

00:35:52.360 This is a really practical key to it all.

00:35:54.540 The palace is not safe when the cottage is not happy.

00:35:58.300 The palace is not safe when the cottage is not happy.

00:36:01.900 This is why you have to have a sense of community, a sense of belonging.

00:36:07.740 You have to have care, emotional and spiritual care, and also some material care from the

00:36:12.940 privileged classes, from the blessed classes, from the hardworking, fortunate classes,

00:36:17.680 however you want to call them, to the people who haven't done quite as well for any multitude

00:36:22.760 of reasons.

00:36:23.400 You have to be wise about this.

00:36:25.060 You don't want to create perverse incentives.

00:36:26.640 You don't want to increase resentment among people against the wealthy.

00:36:33.900 You need to have a political community.

00:36:35.600 You need to be smart about that.

00:36:39.520 There is a big delta.

00:36:41.460 What did President Trump say?

00:36:42.700 Yeah, there is a big gap.

00:36:44.220 And you know me.

00:36:44.940 I'm a popularist.

00:36:48.020 How are elections decided in this country?

00:36:50.000 Are they decided by the invisible hand of the free market?

00:36:51.900 No, they're decided by votes.

00:36:53.420 We have to take people seriously.

00:36:54.620 Okay, speaking of religion, horrifying scene from Dearborn, Michigan.

00:37:00.940 One that if this is aired, if this is seen by every voter in the country, Democrats are

00:37:08.240 never going to win another election.

00:37:10.200 For over a week, we've paused advertisements and any appeals for Daily Wire memberships to

00:37:14.540 focus on the only thing that matters in this moment, remembering and honoring the legacy

00:37:18.900 of our friend Charlie Kirk.

00:37:20.280 Yet, even without being asked, you showed up for us, watching, commenting, sharing, and

00:37:27.440 supporting us by becoming Daily Wire members.

00:37:29.800 You reminded us once again why we are not alone in this fight and that we will not be silenced

00:37:34.380 and that together we will keep building the future.

00:37:36.580 Thank you for standing with us.

00:37:38.060 You are what makes America great and inspires us to continue the work that we do every day.

00:37:43.060 My favorite comment yesterday is from Satirical Siren.

00:37:47.140 I never thought I'd see an actual applicable, give us Barabbas moment in my lifetime.

00:37:51.280 I was wrong.

00:37:52.060 I don't know exactly what this is in reference to.

00:37:53.920 It might be in reference to Luigi Mangione when the judge in New York said that he was

00:37:58.500 going to drop the top two charges against Luigi and there was a crowd outside the courthouse

00:38:01.700 and they cheered.

00:38:02.640 They were so happy.

00:38:03.300 For Luigi Mangione, a cold-blooded murderer, a guy who murdered an executive in cold blood

00:38:09.140 simply because he didn't like the executive's ideology, putative ideology.

00:38:14.600 It's not even clear what the executive believed.

00:38:16.600 Really because of the murderer's ideology, which was one of resentment and envy.

00:38:21.460 He didn't like that the executive had some money.

00:38:24.740 But I guess it's my favorite comment because I'm surprised by that statement.

00:38:29.900 I never thought we'd see a give us Barabbas moment in our lifetimes.

00:38:32.560 We see them every day.

00:38:34.140 I always expect the give us Barabbas moment.

00:38:36.260 Give us Barabbas is what the crowd of Jews shouts to Pontius Pilate when Pilate offers

00:38:41.780 as a matter of clemency to give the crowd either Jesus, an innocent man, or Barabbas,

00:38:47.980 a political revolutionary and killer.

00:38:50.680 And the crowd says, give us Barabbas.

00:38:52.080 But that's what all human beings do.

00:38:54.240 It's not unique to antiquity.

00:38:55.860 We do it in modernity.

00:38:56.860 It's not unique to the Jews.

00:38:58.160 Every people's does it because the Jews are the type of human nature. 0.57

00:39:02.560 In the Old Testament, Barabbas means son of the father.

00:39:07.940 Jesus Christ is the true son of the true father, the God of all creation.

00:39:12.980 And of course, the people want the false, carnal, material, terrestrial son concerned with merely

00:39:23.340 political temporal revolution rather than the true son of the true father whose revolution

00:39:30.500 conquers death and gives us eternal life in the true kingdom which is in heaven.

00:39:34.760 People do that all the time.

00:39:36.560 All the time.

00:39:38.400 I would be much more surprised.

00:39:40.720 I would be shocked if the crowd outside the courthouse lamented the injustice.

00:39:50.440 That's just not how it works, especially in the political realm, which is governed by

00:39:56.520 principalities and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places, especially when it comes down

00:40:00.240 to envy and resentment, money and avarice.

00:40:02.520 Avarice, the chief vice of the cities.

00:40:05.300 That's how it goes.

00:40:06.260 That's how it goes this side of heaven.

00:40:08.300 Okay.

00:40:08.680 Speaking of religion.

00:40:12.380 In Dearborn, Michigan, which is now a Muslim town.

00:40:17.320 In Dearborn, Michigan, the mayor and the council decided that they were going to name a street

00:40:24.060 after a Hezbollah fighter.

00:40:27.220 Now, Hezbollah is a terror organization that has attacked, not merely our allies, but has

00:40:32.140 attacked the United States.

00:40:34.820 Hit U.S. Marines in Beirut.

00:40:37.900 A Dearborn, Michigan resident, just a normal looking white guy, shows up to the council and

00:40:45.380 says that this doesn't seem like a really good idea.

00:40:48.320 The mayor of Dearborn, Abdullah Hamoud, says that that resident is not welcome in Dearborn.

00:40:58.680 I mean, Hezbollah, you know, bombed the embassy in Beirut, including many Americans.

00:41:06.700 So I just feel it's quite inappropriate.

00:41:09.180 You are an Islamophobe.

00:41:10.400 And although you live here, I want you to know as mayor, you are not welcome here.

00:41:13.920 And the day you move out of the city will be the day that I launch a parade celebrating

00:41:18.440 the fact that you moved out of the city, because you are not somebody who believes in coexistence.

00:41:24.020 You don't believe in coexistence.

00:41:25.700 You don't believe in tolerance, which is why you need to leave this city.

00:41:29.460 Because you object to Hezbollah. 0.77

00:41:34.220 You object to honoring a man whose organization murdered Americans.

00:41:40.020 And so you need to leave.

00:41:42.920 I'm the mayor, and you need to leave.

00:41:48.860 The nativism will increase.

00:41:50.540 I said at the top of the show that the consequences will increase until behavior improves.

00:41:55.540 I think the nativism is going to increase too.

00:41:57.940 I think the recognition of America's fundamentally Christian identity is going to increase too.

00:42:05.200 I think the demands for immigration restriction and deportations are going to increase too.

00:42:12.540 I think Republican victories are going to increase too if that clip and others like it

00:42:20.180 are played in the lead up to the midterm elections.

00:42:23.080 People look at that.

00:42:26.700 They look at that clip.

00:42:28.040 And the inescapable conclusion, if your brain hasn't totally turned to mush, is, how did we get here?

00:42:34.240 Hold on.

00:42:35.460 Put ideology aside.

00:42:37.020 Put my vaunted principles aside.

00:42:38.900 Let me just, I'm just observing that political situation.

00:42:42.140 A Muslim mayor of a town tries to rename a street after a terror organization that has murdered Americans.

00:42:52.480 An ordinary American resident of the town shows up and objects, and the Muslim mayor says,

00:42:58.920 if you don't support Hezbollah, you're not welcome here.

00:43:01.740 Whatever we did to get to this point, we got to undo it.

00:43:05.920 That's what any ordinary person would conclude.

00:43:08.540 And so then they start thinking, well, what got us to this point?

00:43:14.940 Mass migration, religious indifferentism that tells us that all religions are basically the same. 0.97

00:43:24.300 This language of phobias that suggests that it's irrational to object to certain ideologies and heresies.

00:43:31.840 The notion that religion has nothing to do with public life, I think the Muslim residents of Dearborn have just thrown that out.

00:43:40.740 The notion that anyone can be an American just by virtue of coming here and maybe passing a test, all those things get thrown out.

00:43:48.660 The notion that diversity is our strength, is that, is Dearborn stronger today than it was 30 years ago?

00:43:54.360 Well, who would conclude that?

00:43:57.700 All of those things are going to be thrown out.

00:43:59.160 I said this about the LGBT movement.

00:44:01.560 Remember, I said, leading up to 2023, 2024 call-up, there was this steady advance of the LGBT movement,

00:44:09.220 which reached its apotheosis in the transing of little kids, in castrating little kids,

00:44:14.200 shortening their lives, giving them bone problems, pretending that little boys were little girls as young as elementary school.

00:44:19.580 And I said, that's, that's too far.

00:44:23.020 That's gone too far.

00:44:24.940 And it's, on the campaign trail, Republicans ran on that, and they won on that issue.

00:44:30.700 I said, what the left is going to be desperate to do now is to, to stop the, the boomerang going in the other direction.

00:44:39.480 Because that idea that led to transing the kids started with feminism in the 1970s, 0.99

00:44:44.920 which said men and women are basically the same, which led to the LGBT movement,

00:44:48.120 which said that men and women are basically the same, which led inevitably to redefining marriage, 0.98

00:44:53.120 because men and women are basically the same.

00:44:54.500 So why, why are two men any different than a man and a woman? 0.80

00:44:57.720 Which led to the transgender ideology of men and women are, are basically the same,

00:45:01.380 then why can't a man be a woman? 1.00

00:45:02.740 Which led to transing the kids? 0.99

00:45:04.800 Necessarily.

00:45:05.520 Because if a man can really be a woman, if you can be born in the wrong body, 0.99

00:45:08.540 then that would be true from the moment of your birth, and then little kids could be trans.

00:45:11.720 You see, those ideas inevitably lead, under the weight of their own illogic, to that final point.

00:45:18.720 And once you realize that the final conclusion is absurd,

00:45:23.100 then you start going back in the other direction.

00:45:26.920 And you say, wow, hold on, we, we've made a lot of errors along the way.

00:45:30.180 We need to correct those.

00:45:31.040 And it's very difficult to stop that momentum in the other direction,

00:45:33.460 just as it was when it was advancing.

00:45:35.000 The same thing is going to be true on immigration, on religious indifferentism, 0.55

00:45:41.260 on American identity.

00:45:42.560 You're seeing that play out.

00:45:43.720 Play that clip.

00:45:45.060 Every Republican, clip that out.

00:45:47.000 Play that in your district.

00:45:49.200 Democrats won't have a chance.

00:45:50.560 The same thing is going to be true when it comes to standards and the free marketplace of ideas

00:45:56.120 and the terms of engagement in debate.

00:46:01.040 They assassinated Charlie Kirk.

00:46:03.220 They celebrated his murder.

00:46:05.440 Something has gone wrong.

00:46:08.160 And we need to take concrete actions very quickly to remedy the many errors that led to that moment.

00:46:15.540 The many errors that they can't just dismiss, that they can't just brush under the rug,

00:46:19.680 that they can't just say, well, it was just some kook, some lunatic. 0.76

00:46:22.040 No, no, no.

00:46:22.360 It was the American left, people who identify as very liberal,

00:46:27.000 being eight times as likely as people who are very conservative

00:46:30.160 to celebrate the death of their political opponents.

00:46:33.340 It was the outpouring of minimization and celebration of Charlie Kirk's assassination.

00:46:42.020 It was the lies that were told on the networks that are licensed by the government.

00:46:45.400 It was all of these things.

00:46:46.560 It was the normie on Facebook.

00:46:48.540 It was your cousin.

00:46:49.320 It was your coworker who was happy that Charlie Kirk was killed for merely stating the things that all of you believe.

00:46:56.020 That probably was stating a more moderate version of the things that many of you believe.

00:47:00.740 That's a change, and that's created a reaction moving back in the opposite direction, which is very, very good.

00:47:08.420 We need to keep that momentum going.

00:47:09.980 I have much more to say, because on this topic of immigration, oh, good grief, Jasmine Crockett, the new AOC,

00:47:20.120 is now comparing ICE immigration enforcement to slave patrols, which is exactly the opposite of what they are.

00:47:29.160 Anyway, we don't have time.

00:47:29.920 We'll get to that.

00:47:30.560 We will get to that tomorrow, because now it's time for the Membrum Segmentum.

00:47:34.700 The rest of the show continues now.

00:47:36.160 You do not want to miss it.

00:47:37.040 See you over there.

00:47:37.460 See you over there.

The Michael Knowles Show - September 18, 2025

Ep. 1817 - GOOD RIDDANCE： Jimmy Kimmel Off Air Over Charlie Kirk Lies

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