The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1819 - ＂I Forgive Him＂： Over 100 Million View Charlie Kirk's Memorial

00:00:00.000 Hundreds of thousands of people, including virtually the entire U.S. government, turned up

00:00:04.980 to Phoenix for Charlie Kirk's memorial, which was one of the most remarkable events I've ever seen,

00:00:11.540 much less attended. Charlie's widow, Erica, gave one of the most powerful speeches I've ever heard

00:00:17.500 in my life. Not any of these statements has even a hint of hyperbole. We will get into all of it,

00:00:24.300 including the most significant aspect of an already remarkable memorial, namely that the

00:00:31.320 top leaders of our nation, which started out Christian, which started out Christian, but which

00:00:37.840 has become quite secular and even hostile to Christianity and the faith of our founding for

00:00:42.820 at least my entire life, spent five hours proclaiming the gospel. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:02:49.840 promo code Knowles. I'm now in Minneapolis. I'm no longer in Phoenix. I flew last night from Phoenix

00:02:56.160 to Minneapolis because Charlie and I had an event at the University of Minneapolis today,

00:03:02.100 and the event will go on. TPUSA said that the speaking tour will go on. I thought that was the

00:03:08.040 right decision. We will not let these people silence us. So we'll be at what Charlie called

00:03:14.700 the University of Mogadishu, the last time that he and I were on air together. We will now,

00:03:20.220 of course, not be having a conversation between me and Charlie, but I will be having a conversation

00:03:24.740 with the audience about Charlie. But we will also have an open discussion. People who disagree can

00:03:29.520 cut to the front of the line. That will be at the University of Minnesota tonight. I'll just get

00:03:34.680 right into the biggest, most shocking news, the clip that broke the internet, just the most soul-stirring

00:03:44.700 moment many of us have seen in a very, very long time, which was when Charlie's widow, Erica,

00:03:50.440 got up on the stage at the memorial yesterday and forgave her husband's assassin.

00:04:02.860 Father, forgive them for they not know what they do. That man, that young man,

00:04:14.860 I forgive him.

00:04:19.640 I forgive him.

00:04:44.860 I was sitting there with some of the toughest politicians in the world. These are grown men

00:05:00.520 who are not given to sappy sentiment or anything like that. I don't think there was a dry high in

00:05:07.300 the house. There were many such moments in Erica's speech when, even for those of us who are a little

00:05:16.540 tough, a little jaded, the water comes right to the eyes. But that moment, even just seeing it again,

00:05:24.300 even just thinking about it, brings tears back to the eyes. That is a glimpse of Calvary.

00:05:30.260 That is a woman living out her Christian faith.

00:05:33.040 And there's a big misunderstanding, I think, about what this means, especially in our secular

00:05:38.720 culture. We used to be a Christian nation. We used to understand what that meant. Now we live

00:05:43.240 in a secular culture. Most people don't even understand what it means to forgive your enemies,

00:05:46.780 to love your enemies. A lot of people think that forgiving your enemies means you just let them off

00:05:52.280 the hook. Erica Kirk forgave that man yesterday. If he is convicted, the state of Utah will inject him

00:06:01.400 with poison until he's dead. Both of those things are true. Forgiving your enemies is something that 0.87

00:06:10.180 we're called to do because vengeance belongs to the Lord. Vengeance is mine, says the Lord, and I will

00:06:15.600 repay. When we have a personal enemy and when we hate our personal enemies, then we find ourselves

00:06:25.740 falling into sin because we are commanded by our Lord to love our enemies and because charity is a

00:06:30.720 theological virtue. We all sin. We all fall short of the glory of God. Our Lord commands us to pray,

00:06:39.160 the Our Father prayer, to ask our Father to forgive us our sins as we forgive those who trespass against

00:06:46.480 us. So in as much as we forgive the trespasses that others commit against us, so too our Lord will

00:06:52.800 forgive our sins. That's the personal side of things. Justice remains. The civil authority still

00:07:03.640 doesn't bear the sword in vain. The government is there appointed by God for our own good.

00:07:10.520 That is true also. And so when we forgive our personal enemies, the common good, the political

00:07:21.620 matter, the question of justice remains. And even that is for the person's own good. I mean, this is

00:07:29.360 also where people misunderstand what it means to love your enemies. Because we in our modern culture think

00:07:34.800 that love is just some happy, clappy thing where, you know, you hold hands or you write each other

00:07:40.000 poems or you, but that's not it. You have a warm and fuzzy feeling. That's not what love is.

00:07:45.280 Love has a precise definition. Love is willing the good of the other. So when Erica says, I forgive

00:07:51.520 this man, what she's saying is, I don't want to, I don't want to torture you until you're dead.

00:07:56.420 I don't want to inflict as much pain on you as possible just to try to vent my frustration

00:08:01.160 because that won't do anything. And it's just a very practical matter that won't do anything.

00:08:06.780 Eventually that guy will die and it won't matter. And then you will have been contorted

00:08:11.300 into a darkened will that is bereft of love. So it, it doesn't really hurt the other guy all that

00:08:18.480 much. And it does hurt you. This actually relates to what we were discussing last week from Plato's

00:08:23.880 Gorgias, which is, which is his, uh, treatise on, uh, justice, which one of his treatises on justice,

00:08:31.480 but a treatise on, on how we deal with criminals, how it's in fact, how it is better for the criminal

00:08:38.180 to be punished than for the criminal to get off the hook. It's better even for the criminal.

00:08:42.760 So when we will the good of the other, as in the case of this assassin, we're saying, look,

00:08:47.740 I don't want to, I don't want to torture you. I don't want to, I don't hate you. I don't will

00:08:54.280 the opposite of your good, which we could not do. That would be sinful for us. I will your good.

00:08:59.200 And in the case of this killer, the state of Utah says that what is good for the killer

00:09:03.380 is to face capital punishment. And I agree with that. What is good for the killer, what is good

00:09:09.260 for society to protect society from the killer is for the person to be killed. What is good for

00:09:14.280 future people who might be considering a political assassination is to see that the political

00:09:19.320 assassins are killed, but also what is good for the killer. Because as Dr. Johnson says,

00:09:24.020 depend upon it, sir. When a man knows he's to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind

00:09:27.980 wonderfully. There are people, there've been many people who've been in prison, who've been on death

00:09:33.480 row, who are looking at the gallows and say, well, I have to get my life in order. I have to convert.

00:09:37.960 That is good for that person's soul. So there's no, no contradiction whatsoever. It's an,

00:09:43.720 that was an amazing example yesterday of Christian charity. And in Christian charity,

00:09:49.680 you, you see even more clearly justice. One last point on Erica. When she said that,

00:09:57.760 notice everyone in the stadium stood up. This shows you the political divide. The left is trying

00:10:05.620 to both sides. This leftists keep killing us. They just keep, they keep targeting us. They keep 0.81

00:10:11.040 killing us with political violence, widespread political violence like BLM, targeted political

00:10:15.760 violence like the assassination of Charlie Kirk, sexually deviant political violence like the

00:10:21.000 many shootings of trans-identifying people, by trans-identifying people against non-trans-identifying

00:10:26.820 people, and the religious violence, the consistent attacks on Christians. You are seeing very,

00:10:33.600 very large scale political violence coming from the left. And how does the right respond?

00:10:39.120 We pray for their good. We forgive them. We forgive them as a personal matter. We need justice. We

00:10:46.780 need a greater enactment of justice, but we forgive them as a personal matter. Of course, on the flip

00:10:51.660 side, you see the opposite. You see, you see conservatives and Christians doing ordinary things. In fact, 1.00

00:10:58.740 doing and stating matters of virtue. I believe in marriage. I don't think a man can become a woman. 1.00

00:11:07.100 I think nations should have borders. It's normal kind of stuff. And how does the left react? I think

00:11:11.960 criminals should be arrested, for example. And how does the left react? The left reacts by rioting and

00:11:16.180 murdering and robbing and looting and all the rest of it. The difference could not be more stark.

00:11:20.960 And this is very fitting for Charlie, because Charlie was a man of stark contrasts. Not that he himself,

00:11:27.900 he was pretty clear. He was a Boy Scout. He was a Christian. He didn't drink. He didn't smoke. He

00:11:32.800 was pretty clear. Didn't go to school. Somehow founded the biggest youth organization, campus

00:11:37.780 organization in the country. But he painted a stark picture of the world. Said there's truth and

00:11:45.340 there's falsehood. You should pick truth, not falsehood. There's good and there's bad. And you

00:11:48.360 should do the good stuff and not the bad stuff. It's very, very clear, very helpful, because clarity

00:11:52.360 is charity. And in this case, it's clear. If yesterday's memorial didn't show it to you with

00:12:00.440 the cultural right and the political right, obviously, the whole top of the government,

00:12:07.560 if that didn't show it to you, I don't know what will. No one is good. No, not one. But if you're

00:12:15.280 looking as a political matter at which side is the good side and which side is the bad side,

00:12:18.760 that's the good side. And the leftists and the radicals and the sexual ideologues and the deviants

00:12:26.600 and the violent people, that's the bad side. The choice is that simple. The guys who in the 0.94

00:12:34.300 political debates wear the red ties and the American flags, they're on the good side. And the ones who

00:12:40.800 with the weird imagery, yelling the weird things, they're the bad side. It's simple as that.

00:12:48.760 It really, it really doesn't have to be much more complicated. Now, speaking of that political

00:12:52.860 order, after Erica gives this amazing display of Christian charity, President Trump gets up there

00:13:01.940 and he apparently gives the alternative point of view, although it's more complicated than that.

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00:13:37.920 slash America to discover more. Erica gets up, shows so beautifully how to love your enemies. 1.00

00:13:45.940 Here's what President Trump says. Missionary with a noble spirit and a great, great purpose.

00:13:52.960 He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie.

00:13:59.880 I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them. I'm sorry. I am sorry, Erica. But now Erica can

00:14:09.860 talk to me and the whole group and maybe they can convince me that that's not right, but I can't stand

00:14:14.680 my opponent. Charlie's angry looking down. He's angry at me now.

00:14:21.980 I loved this bit. And I know that's an unpopular view. I loved this bit. Some people hated it.

00:14:33.960 Trump's critics, of course, hated it. But even I saw a lot of Christians hated this. They said,

00:14:38.720 Trump is preaching an anti-gospel. This is the opposite of the message of Christ. Pay more

00:14:44.200 attention, folks. You're not listening. You didn't hear that. Maybe, I don't know, maybe it's because

00:14:49.340 I'm a New Yorker by birth and upbringing. Maybe I speak this language a little bit better.

00:14:54.440 If your takeaway from President Trump's statement was this is contrary to the message of the gospel,

00:15:00.220 you, I don't know, you got to get the cotton out of your ears. You misheard something.

00:15:05.240 What does he say? He said in his eulogy to Charlie, where he's saying all the good things about Charlie,

00:15:11.020 he says Charlie didn't hate his enemies. He loved his enemies. And then he goes off the cuff. He says,

00:15:16.640 and that's where I disagreed with Charlie. Because me, I hate my enemies. I hate them.

00:15:21.040 I don't wish what's best for them. I wish what's worst for them. Everyone laughs. And then what does 0.88

00:15:27.420 he say? He says, but maybe Erica can, she can have a talking to with me. Because, you know,

00:15:33.080 and I know Charlie's looking down. He's angry at me. In other words, Charlie's in heaven. His idea was

00:15:40.840 the right idea. What I do is the bad thing. But it's very human. And we all fall prey to these

00:15:48.120 temptations because it's a fallen human nature. And I'm, me, I'm not as good as Charlie. Charlie is

00:15:54.040 the good one. Erica is the good one. Me, I'm not as good. And they got to talk to me. And I know,

00:15:59.440 Charlie, I'm sorry. I know you're angry with me. Maybe I'll try to do better. I'm just confessing

00:16:05.120 to you that I hate my enemies. That is a very Christian statement. That is a deeply Christian

00:16:09.920 statement. And the people who misheard it, you just, I don't know, you need a little levity or

00:16:15.800 something. G.K. Chesterton said the angels can fly because they can take themselves lightly.

00:16:21.020 What would have been dishonest, which would have been contrary to the Christian spirit, 0.98

00:16:26.360 would be if Donald Trump got up there and he said, and I too, like all the politicians,

00:16:30.360 oh, and I love my enemies, holier than thou, pious, but it's not real.

00:16:35.120 For a lot of them, it's not real. That would be a lie. That would be contrary to the Christian 1.00

00:16:38.460 spirit. Some holier than thou kind of speech from someone who is personally depraved,

00:16:44.220 that would be contrary to the Christian spirit. Pretending you're so much better than you really 1.00

00:16:49.960 are. Trump, if anything, does the opposite. He pretends to be a little worse than he is.

00:16:54.960 I don't think that he's a really bad guy. But he goes out there. Do you remember,

00:16:59.720 I use this example a lot. He was asked if he was going to have a beer, I think for St.

00:17:03.240 Patty's Day or something. He said, nah, I've never had a beer. It's the only good thing you

00:17:07.280 can say about me. Can you imagine if I drank, I'd be the worst. That's a statement of humility.

00:17:14.680 This is a statement of humility. Yeah. Hey guys, I'm a human and I hate my enemies. I hate them.

00:17:22.120 I am tempted to hate them and I don't want to wish their best. I wish they're, I hate them, 1.00

00:17:27.940 but I know that's wrong. I'm telling you that's wrong. What Charlie and Erica are doing are better.

00:17:33.480 That's why I'm saying Charlie's in heaven right now. I got to do better. Lord have mercy on me,

00:17:39.020 a sinner. That's what he's saying. He's making people laugh. There's a little levity while he's

00:17:43.400 doing it. It's okay. We can laugh. It's not. Now there were so many good speeches yesterday. I'm

00:17:48.680 not going to be able to get to all of them. Just a little, a little smattering of what was said.

00:17:53.900 Stephen Miller, I thought gave, gave a rousing political call very much in the spirit of Charlie

00:18:00.180 and Stephen Miller, deputy white house chief of staff was very, very close with Charlie. And

00:18:06.860 he, he, he did what he does best. We will prevail over the forces of wickedness and evil.

00:18:15.360 They cannot imagine what they have awakened. They cannot conceive of the army that they have arisen.

00:18:23.900 In all of us, because we stand for what is good, what is virtuous, what is noble. And to those

00:18:32.280 trying to incite violence against us, those trying to foment hatred against us, what do you have?

00:18:40.180 You have nothing. You are nothing. You are wickedness. You are jealousy. You are envy.

00:18:46.520 You are hatred. You are nothing. You can build nothing. You can produce nothing. You can create 0.99

00:18:54.940 nothing. We are the ones who build. We are the ones who create. We are the ones who lift up humanity.

00:19:03.600 You thought you could kill Charlie Kirk. You have made him immortal. You have immortalized Charlie

00:19:12.780 Kirk. And now millions will carry on his legacy.

00:19:16.020 I was sitting next to a guy, kind of a prominent person. So I'm not going to, I'm not going to say who

00:19:23.320 it was. He turns to me after Stephen's speech. He goes, man, the Jews really do the old Testament 1.00

00:19:28.500 better. This guy was not, was not Jewish. It says the Jews really do the old Testament better. That 1.00

00:19:34.440 was bringing some fire, wasn't it? And that line, we are the ones who build. That's a line you could,

00:19:42.400 you could put that on a, on a sign and put it over your office door. We are the ones who build.

00:19:49.400 That's a line like in Breaking Bad, Walter White, I am the one who knocks. We are the ones who build.

00:19:55.580 It's such a powerful line because it gives you a positive vision of the future and because it

00:20:00.020 rings true. The left destroys the right builds. That's just how it works. That's how it's worked since

00:20:06.140 the French Revolution. French Revolution was the left, the atheists and the secularists who sat on the 0.61

00:20:11.340 left side of the National Assembly who burned down buildings and who slaughtered people, who chopped

00:20:16.240 off people's heads, who destroyed the government, who attempted to destroy the church. That's what

00:20:20.360 they did. And it was the right that builds. It was the right. It was the Christians and it was the 0.95

00:20:26.120 defenders of the government and civil society that would build the cathedrals and the palaces and

00:20:33.280 the businesses and the statues and the everything. That's really what it comes down to. And it rang even

00:20:40.600 truer because we were sitting there at TPUSA. TPUSA, which is not just like a petition thing on the

00:20:47.640 internet. TPUSA, which is not just a group chat. TPUSA, which is a massive, powerful organization

00:20:57.000 that Charlie Kirk built. A proper institution. They really built that. What the left usually does is

00:21:05.920 goes into pre-existing institutions and destroys them. The left goes in and takes over the universities

00:21:11.200 or takes over movie studios or takes over big corporations and destroys them, eats away at them,

00:21:18.160 like termites in a wall. What the right does, what Charlie certainly did with TPUSA, is build something.

00:21:25.040 He goes, we're the ones who build, we're the ones who create. This is another reason not to waste your

00:21:28.260 time personally hating your enemies. Forget about your enemies. Let the civil authority deal with your

00:21:31.980 enemies. Leave vengeance to the Lord. He will repay. And their foot shall slide in due time.

00:21:38.040 You go build. You go create. That is a powerful message.

00:21:46.120 But the biggest portion of it to me, the biggest takeaway, is that we saw something that none of us

00:21:52.980 have seen in our lifetimes. We saw the top levels of the government preaching the gospel.

00:22:01.980 And there's some people who have a problem with that. Too bad. We'll get to that in one moment.

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00:23:29.000 Marco Rubio gets up there. Secretary of State brings down the house.

00:23:31.800 His deep belief that we were all created, every single one of us before the beginning of time

00:23:39.820 by the hands of the God of the universe, an all-powerful God who loved us and created us for

00:23:45.980 the purpose of living with him in eternity. But then sin entered the world and separated us from

00:23:51.260 our creator. And so God took on the form of a man and came down and lived among us. And he suffered like

00:23:58.600 men. And he died like a man. But on the third day, he rose unlike any mortal man. And then,

00:24:07.900 and to prove any doubters wrong, he ate with his disciples so they could see and they touched his

00:24:15.760 wounds. He didn't rise as a ghost or as a spirit, but his flesh. And then he rose to the heaven, but he

00:24:22.220 promised he would return. And he will. And when he returns, because he took on that death, because

00:24:28.580 he carried that cross, we were freed from the sin that separated us from him. And when he returns,

00:24:33.680 there will be a new heaven and a new earth, and we will all be together. And we are going to have

00:24:39.160 a great reunion there again with Charlie and all the people we love. Thank you and God bless you.

00:24:49.140 Absolutely beautiful. And for everyone who's blackpilling and who's all doom and gloom all the

00:24:53.980 time and says, our country's over and the West is falling and all. How do you make sense of that?

00:25:00.960 Our nation was founded by people who called themselves pilgrims, and then was developed by

00:25:06.220 people who said that we would be a model of Christian charity, and then was founded in the

00:25:11.100 late 18th century by people who said that we are endowed by our creator with certain rights. And then

00:25:16.620 in our national anthem, we hear the phrase, conquer we must when our cause it is just,

00:25:20.300 and this be our motto, in God is our trust. Then we put, in God we trust, on our money. And then

00:25:25.940 by the middle to the late 20th century, we start taking all that stuff away.

00:25:32.320 And we pretend that there's some firm separation between church and state.

00:25:36.460 We pretend that religion is no longer permitted in the public square.

00:25:40.120 We pretend that we can never know anything about religious truth. We can pretend

00:25:44.580 that the government has to be practically atheist. That was a recent invention in American history. 0.92

00:25:53.180 And what we saw yesterday was a little closer to what it used to be like.

00:25:58.860 And that's a beautiful thing. I know there are going to be some people, obviously on the left,

00:26:02.120 who hate God, but people on the right who are, I don't know, they're a little squishy,

00:26:07.160 or they're under the sway of liberal ideology, who say,

00:26:08.840 I don't want my government officials talking about religion.

00:26:13.600 Okay, well, what do you want them talking about?

00:26:16.080 It's not just any religion. We're talking about the Christian religion.

00:26:18.880 The Christian religion, which says, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

00:26:23.640 What would you like them to say?

00:26:26.560 In politics, you have to have some idea.

00:26:29.940 In politics, you have to be motivated by some kind of spirit,

00:26:33.420 some kind of ideology at least.

00:26:35.080 You have to have some view of morality, because the law is just practical morality.

00:26:41.580 You have to have some conception of justice.

00:26:44.500 Justice is what the government does.

00:26:47.480 So which one would you prefer?

00:26:49.280 You don't like the love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you religion.

00:26:53.780 You don't like the one that says that if you believe in Christ, you will have everlasting life.

00:27:01.780 You don't want the religion of hope and faith and charity.

00:27:04.400 Which one would you prefer?

00:27:07.520 The religion of, if it feels good, do it. 0.97

00:27:10.780 The religion of make as much money as you can and then hoard it. 0.95

00:27:14.120 The religion of do weird sex stuff so long as it tickles you.

00:27:19.040 The religion of go out and get yours and forget about everybody else. 0.99

00:27:24.040 The religion of don't have any kids and let your whole civilization die off. 1.00

00:27:28.140 Which religion do you want? 0.72

00:27:29.420 Because for me, I think that broadly speaking, the men who settled this continent,

00:27:38.400 the men who founded our early projects in colonial government,

00:27:42.440 the men who founded our country in the late 18th century,

00:27:46.040 the men who built our country,

00:27:47.240 I think they broadly speaking had it right.

00:27:49.520 And I think that this modern religion that sought to supplant that has been a disaster. 1.00

00:27:56.740 Has led to a lot of degradation.

00:27:58.800 And I think this could be, forgive the phrase,

00:28:00.780 this really could be a turning point.

00:28:02.200 A turning point back in the right direction.

00:28:05.320 Because if you, as C.S. Lewis says,

00:28:07.100 if you're going in the wrong direction,

00:28:08.660 the first guy to turn around and start walking backward is the most progressive person.

00:28:12.040 He's the most forward-thinking person.

00:28:13.240 Last point on Charlie's memorial speeches.

00:28:17.300 J.D. Vance gives a really practical call for the people in that room

00:28:22.520 and the some hundred million people around the country who were streaming.

00:28:27.300 It is better to die a young man in this world 1.00

00:28:30.740 than to sell your soul for an easy life with no purpose, no risk, no love, and no truth.

00:28:36.480 Christ told us in the Gospel of John,

00:28:46.600 I have said these things to you,

00:28:48.640 that in me you may have peace.

00:28:51.560 In the world you will have tribulation.

00:28:55.120 But take heart,

00:28:56.540 I have overcome the world.

00:28:58.780 This is what's bothering a lot of us.

00:29:07.340 It's bothering me.

00:29:08.140 I'll be totally transparent about it.

00:29:10.860 We think, man, Charlie was so young.

00:29:13.160 And he had so much.

00:29:14.760 He had this beautiful wife,

00:29:15.900 these beautiful children,

00:29:17.100 all of this influence,

00:29:18.280 this big organization,

00:29:19.900 plenty of money.

00:29:20.920 He had so much.

00:29:23.320 And now it's gone.

00:29:25.920 Ah, if only he played it a little safer.

00:29:27.600 Ah, if only he'd been a little bit more timid,

00:29:30.100 not quite so brash,

00:29:31.380 not quite so ambitious,

00:29:32.460 not quite so courageous.

00:29:34.100 Then,

00:29:35.120 he'd still have all that stuff.

00:29:37.420 And J.D. says,

00:29:38.120 what are you talking about?

00:29:39.660 He says,

00:29:40.020 it is much better 0.82

00:29:40.900 to die a young man

00:29:43.280 than to live some aimless, 0.82

00:29:46.040 pointless life of comfort.

00:29:48.020 We're all going to die eventually

00:29:49.180 in the scope of eternity.

00:29:51.260 What's 31 versus 71 versus 91?

00:29:53.900 The question is,

00:29:56.680 what is life for?

00:29:57.900 And the Baltimore Catechism

00:29:59.020 gives us a good answer to this.

00:30:01.140 The purpose of life

00:30:02.100 is to know God

00:30:03.920 and love him

00:30:05.220 and to serve him in this world

00:30:06.660 and enjoy him forever

00:30:07.840 in eternity.

00:30:08.900 That's the purpose of life.

00:30:10.720 People sometimes joke,

00:30:11.520 what's the purpose of life?

00:30:12.460 Of 48, I don't know,

00:30:13.220 what's the purpose?

00:30:13.700 Oh, it's this question

00:30:14.780 we have to scratch our heads.

00:30:15.900 It's not actually

00:30:17.140 that complicated a question.

00:30:19.580 The practicality

00:30:20.560 of how to do those things

00:30:21.620 leads to some debate,

00:30:23.460 I suppose.

00:30:23.980 But the answer is pretty simple.

00:30:25.620 To know God,

00:30:26.420 we can know that God exists

00:30:27.480 merely as a matter of reason,

00:30:29.320 though God then reveals himself

00:30:30.360 and we have to do something with that.

00:30:31.860 We know that God exists,

00:30:33.340 so therefore we need to love him,

00:30:34.920 we need to serve him,

00:30:36.120 and we want to enjoy him

00:30:37.300 forever in heaven.

00:30:39.260 That gives a shape to your life.

00:30:40.720 That gives a shape to your life

00:30:42.300 that is much closer

00:30:43.480 to the shape of Charlie Kirk's life

00:30:45.400 than it is to the shape

00:30:46.720 of some couch potato doing nothing

00:30:48.940 who typifies modernity.

00:30:51.620 Good, good advice.

00:30:54.440 And to see the top brass

00:30:55.640 of the most powerful nation

00:30:56.720 in the history of the world

00:30:57.640 preaching the gospel

00:30:58.540 to 100 million people live,

00:31:00.800 many, many more

00:31:01.640 in the days to come.

00:31:04.800 It's a cause for hope.

00:31:06.140 Okay.

00:31:07.400 Another lovely little aspect here,

00:31:10.260 and this occurred

00:31:10.940 about 11 feet

00:31:12.320 from where I was sitting.

00:31:13.760 President Trump

00:31:14.580 and Elon Musk

00:31:16.120 made up.

00:31:18.000 They came together.

00:31:18.940 Musk posted this picture

00:31:20.520 of the two of them.

00:31:21.760 It says,

00:31:22.060 for Charlie.

00:31:23.200 They get up there,

00:31:23.900 they're sitting,

00:31:24.460 they're talking.

00:31:26.740 It was beautiful to see.

00:31:29.400 Charlie brought people together.

00:31:31.200 He did a lot of things.

00:31:32.040 He broadcast,

00:31:32.820 he published books,

00:31:33.680 he did debates,

00:31:34.540 he did this,

00:31:35.040 he did that.

00:31:35.540 To me,

00:31:37.240 the most impressive thing

00:31:38.000 he did was bring people together.

00:31:39.900 And I'm not talking

00:31:40.540 about Kumbaya BS,

00:31:41.640 I'm talking about

00:31:42.020 smart coalition building.

00:31:43.980 I'm talking about

00:31:46.340 not bringing everybody together.

00:31:48.860 He didn't create

00:31:49.620 a one nation party

00:31:50.720 of every single person

00:31:51.920 on the left and the right

00:31:53.160 where you don't stand

00:31:53.800 for anything,

00:31:54.220 you don't advance anything,

00:31:55.000 you don't believe anything.

00:31:55.660 No, no, no.

00:31:56.580 He built a right wing coalition

00:31:58.920 that was expansive enough

00:32:00.960 to win elections.

00:32:02.460 Susie Wiles,

00:32:03.000 chief of staff

00:32:03.340 of the White House,

00:32:04.640 said that Charlie

00:32:05.260 made the winning difference

00:32:06.160 in 2024.

00:32:08.120 He brought that together

00:32:09.420 in such a way

00:32:11.760 that the coalition

00:32:13.220 remained coherent

00:32:13.940 and could actually

00:32:15.140 pursue goals.

00:32:17.360 He did that.

00:32:17.880 And he did that yesterday.

00:32:18.940 He even brought

00:32:19.380 Trump and Musk

00:32:19.880 back together.

00:32:21.360 Musk,

00:32:21.720 who then went on

00:32:22.340 to recite the Lord's Prayer,

00:32:23.620 at least part of it,

00:32:24.360 he tweets that,

00:32:24.900 forgive us our trespasses

00:32:25.800 as we forgive those

00:32:26.480 who trespass against us.

00:32:28.560 Wow.

00:32:29.880 Is Charlie going to

00:32:31.140 turn Elon Musk

00:32:32.700 into a Christian?

00:32:34.260 It could happen.

00:32:35.120 Stranger things have happened.

00:32:37.640 How powerful would that be?

00:32:38.880 OK.

00:32:40.380 One thing that was floated

00:32:42.560 during the memorial yesterday

00:32:43.840 that we're waiting on now,

00:32:46.300 and there will be

00:32:46.900 an announcement momentarily,

00:32:48.440 is that President Trump

00:32:49.960 has apparently cured autism.

00:32:52.660 We didn't see that one coming.

00:32:54.220 It's going to be absolutely

00:32:54.980 devastating for the online right.

00:32:56.740 Autism, I think,

00:32:57.480 is actually a prerequisite

00:32:59.040 for being part of

00:32:59.580 the online right.

00:33:00.220 I kid, I kid.

00:33:01.100 Do I kid?

00:33:02.060 But President Trump announced

00:33:04.840 that the driver of autism,

00:33:08.120 one of the drivers

00:33:08.780 of autism,

00:33:09.640 is not as many,

00:33:10.740 I mean, I suppose

00:33:11.420 it could be vaccines,

00:33:12.400 but a lot of people think

00:33:12.920 it's the vaccines,

00:33:14.100 or it's this,

00:33:15.260 or it's, I don't know,

00:33:16.100 microplastics,

00:33:16.800 or it's this or that

00:33:17.340 or the other thing.

00:33:18.940 According to

00:33:19.900 advance notice

00:33:21.840 that was leaked

00:33:22.300 to reporters,

00:33:23.440 Trump plans to announce

00:33:24.460 that using Tylenol

00:33:26.720 can cause autism.

00:33:28.920 Tylenol.

00:33:29.900 Using Tylenol

00:33:30.580 during pregnancy

00:33:31.220 can contribute

00:33:32.060 to autism risk,

00:33:32.900 so they will advise

00:33:34.260 pregnant women 0.99

00:33:34.920 only to use it

00:33:36.540 or the generic version,

00:33:37.840 acetaminophen,

00:33:38.740 for high fevers,

00:33:39.780 according to two

00:33:40.360 senior administration officials.

00:33:42.420 Those officials,

00:33:43.240 granted anonymity,

00:33:44.820 said that President Trump

00:33:46.180 would also highlight

00:33:47.120 lucovorin,

00:33:49.060 a cancer and anemia drug,

00:33:50.360 as a potential therapy

00:33:51.360 for people with autism.

00:33:52.260 So,

00:33:53.480 it's President Trump

00:33:54.760 and his administration

00:33:57.480 not only finding

00:33:59.020 one of the causes,

00:34:00.940 if not the chief cause,

00:34:02.380 of one of the

00:34:03.480 biggest public health

00:34:06.240 problems to arise

00:34:07.480 in recent decades,

00:34:08.560 but also,

00:34:10.360 apparently,

00:34:10.920 a treatment for people

00:34:11.620 who have autism.

00:34:12.540 And we joke about it,

00:34:13.620 you know,

00:34:13.920 that many people today

00:34:15.980 will say,

00:34:16.340 oh, I'm autistic,

00:34:17.240 oh, yeah,

00:34:17.520 I'm a little spurgy,

00:34:18.340 got a touch of the tism.

00:34:19.500 And it's a way

00:34:20.400 to just excuse

00:34:21.100 having eccentric personalities

00:34:22.240 but autism is actually

00:34:23.600 a very terrible ailment

00:34:24.900 to deal with.

00:34:26.100 It's a very,

00:34:26.920 very difficult condition

00:34:27.760 for the person suffering

00:34:28.660 and also for the family

00:34:29.440 of those people.

00:34:30.460 And so,

00:34:31.160 it is weird

00:34:31.860 that the autism rates

00:34:33.180 have spiked

00:34:33.980 orders of magnitude

00:34:34.940 in recent decades

00:34:35.740 and there has to be

00:34:36.400 some cause for this.

00:34:39.180 And if the Trump administration

00:34:40.420 identified the cause,

00:34:42.560 that's just

00:34:43.040 another feather in the cap

00:34:44.820 and another way

00:34:45.840 to confound his opponents

00:34:46.840 because it means

00:34:47.460 that President Trump's

00:34:49.000 administration

00:34:49.640 has achieved

00:34:51.700 some of the greatest

00:34:52.980 scientific progress

00:34:54.380 in our lifetimes.

00:34:58.020 But all of these assumptions

00:34:59.620 are just being overturned.

00:35:00.900 Here's another one.

00:35:01.680 The assumption that

00:35:02.600 Democrats in the left

00:35:03.920 are the party of kindness

00:35:05.380 and warmth

00:35:06.080 and peace

00:35:06.640 and, of course,

00:35:07.220 not.

00:35:07.420 They're burning the cities down.

00:35:08.280 They're assassinating 0.92

00:35:08.780 their opponents.

00:35:09.420 They're cheering on

00:35:10.060 the assassination

00:35:10.500 of their opponents,

00:35:11.160 all the rest of it.

00:35:13.720 And the left,

00:35:15.020 they're the party of science.

00:35:16.160 Trump is anti-science.

00:35:17.060 He's defunding Harvard.

00:35:18.380 He's defunding Harvard

00:35:19.200 and curing autism.

00:35:20.760 I don't know.

00:35:21.060 Isn't that a reminder

00:35:24.480 that the political divide

00:35:26.300 in this country

00:35:26.860 is not really

00:35:27.500 all that complicated?

00:35:28.440 It's not,

00:35:29.180 as it may have been

00:35:29.980 in years past,

00:35:30.880 about weighing pros and cons.

00:35:32.820 Well, you know,

00:35:33.400 I like this from the Republicans,

00:35:35.080 but I like that

00:35:36.060 from the Democrats,

00:35:37.160 and there's a little

00:35:37.760 give and a take,

00:35:38.420 and I don't know.

00:35:39.200 It's like,

00:35:39.540 are you on the side

00:35:40.380 of child-abusing,

00:35:43.140 Satan-worshipping, 0.99

00:35:44.700 politically violent terrorists, 0.93

00:35:46.740 or are you on the side

00:35:48.260 of the people

00:35:49.360 who forgive their enemies,

00:35:51.620 pray for those

00:35:52.140 who persecute them,

00:35:53.520 discover scientific inventions,

00:35:56.440 build things,

00:35:58.140 create things,

00:35:59.300 arrest the criminals,

00:36:00.340 and give you

00:36:00.740 a flourishing society?

00:36:02.220 Which side are you on?

00:36:02.880 To me,

00:36:03.260 it's not that hard.

00:36:04.900 It's not to say

00:36:05.680 that the Democrats 0.96

00:36:07.060 are pure evil. 0.96

00:36:07.880 It's not to say 0.92

00:36:08.360 that the Republicans

00:36:08.960 are perfect.

00:36:09.700 Certainly,

00:36:10.060 neither of those things

00:36:10.640 are true,

00:36:11.040 but like,

00:36:11.380 come on, guys.

00:36:12.540 Come on.

00:36:15.060 He cured autism.

00:36:17.320 That's crazy.

00:36:19.040 Tonight,

00:36:19.440 I was supposed to join

00:36:20.440 Charlie Kirk

00:36:21.180 on his American Comeback Tour

00:36:22.960 at the University of Minneapolis.

00:36:25.340 We were going to have

00:36:25.880 a conversation,

00:36:26.780 open it up for Q&A.

00:36:28.520 Obviously,

00:36:29.100 that will not happen

00:36:29.820 after his murder

00:36:31.220 12 days ago.

00:36:34.080 The tour will continue.

00:36:36.640 The left thought

00:36:37.940 that they could silence

00:36:39.020 Charlie Kirk,

00:36:39.740 that they could stop him

00:36:40.940 and the movement

00:36:41.420 that they've built.

00:36:42.260 They will not even succeed

00:36:43.440 at stopping his speaking tour.

00:36:45.740 We'll be there.

00:36:46.480 Now,

00:36:47.000 I will be

00:36:47.520 doing the event solo.

00:36:49.500 It will be a tribute

00:36:50.140 to Charlie.

00:36:52.620 And then,

00:36:53.160 we will have the open Q&A.

00:36:54.780 And we will have

00:36:55.380 conversations

00:36:56.000 and people who disagree

00:36:57.520 can still cut

00:36:58.100 to the front of the line.

00:36:59.120 You can watch it

00:36:59.860 all live,

00:37:00.780 Daily War Plus.

00:37:01.780 Watch every minute

00:37:02.740 from Minneapolis,

00:37:04.240 7.15 p.m.

00:37:05.600 Eastern,

00:37:06.620 Daily War Plus.

00:37:08.380 Okay.

00:37:09.900 Even this,

00:37:11.180 and then we'll move on,

00:37:12.460 even this

00:37:13.020 has a Charlie connection

00:37:15.280 to it.

00:37:16.560 Because RFK Jr.,

00:37:18.600 last week when

00:37:19.560 J.D. Vance was hosting

00:37:20.500 Charlie's show,

00:37:22.340 RFK Jr. credited Charlie

00:37:24.420 with him even taking

00:37:25.140 this job.

00:37:25.580 You know what the transition

00:37:29.180 is like.

00:37:29.680 You never kind of know

00:37:30.480 what's going to happen.

00:37:32.400 And he was a critical ally

00:37:34.400 for me

00:37:35.060 in calling President Trump.

00:37:36.940 And at first,

00:37:37.500 you know,

00:37:37.620 when President Trump

00:37:38.240 asked me

00:37:38.900 whether I wanted

00:37:39.540 this job,

00:37:40.060 I was tentative.

00:37:41.360 I didn't know

00:37:42.100 whether I wanted

00:37:42.640 to handle

00:37:43.240 Medicaid and Medicare,

00:37:45.460 which was the biggest,

00:37:46.540 you know,

00:37:46.900 economic BMS.

00:37:48.380 Sure.

00:37:48.900 And he really

00:37:50.160 persuaded me

00:37:51.020 that I should do it.

00:37:52.940 And then he helped me

00:37:54.680 not only making calls

00:37:56.360 to the President himself,

00:37:57.300 but telling me people

00:37:58.440 that I should call

00:37:59.280 an operating strategist.

00:38:03.740 Even this,

00:38:05.060 even in this,

00:38:06.080 Bobby Kennedy's been

00:38:07.600 on a jihad

00:38:08.260 to cure autism

00:38:09.220 and prevent autism

00:38:10.020 for decades now.

00:38:11.780 And he's Trump's

00:38:13.700 HHS secretary.

00:38:14.440 Now they might have

00:38:14.820 cured autism.

00:38:15.800 We'll find out.

00:38:17.160 Even that,

00:38:18.600 Charlie Kirk

00:38:19.040 was instrumental in that.

00:38:19.900 Without Charlie Kirk,

00:38:20.700 that might not have happened.

00:38:22.060 It shows you

00:38:22.460 what one man can do,

00:38:23.460 even a young kid,

00:38:24.100 even a kid 18 years old

00:38:25.100 two days after

00:38:25.560 graduating high school.

00:38:27.200 Before we get

00:38:27.760 to the member segmentum,

00:38:28.760 one more story.

00:38:29.540 Because we've only talked

00:38:30.480 about the right,

00:38:31.100 really, today.

00:38:32.360 We've focused on the right.

00:38:36.400 Gavin Newsom,

00:38:37.580 on the left,

00:38:38.800 is showing you

00:38:39.460 what our political opponents

00:38:40.400 are up to right now.

00:38:41.140 Gavin Newsom,

00:38:42.780 amid this period

00:38:43.780 of national mourning

00:38:44.680 as right-wingers

00:38:46.320 are facing threats

00:38:47.040 of assassination,

00:38:47.580 actual assassination,

00:38:49.100 the celebration

00:38:49.660 of right-wing

00:38:51.000 assassinations

00:38:51.860 from the left,

00:38:53.560 from the mainstream

00:38:54.120 left even.

00:38:55.100 While all this

00:38:55.660 is going on,

00:38:57.380 Gavin Newsom,

00:38:58.240 governor of California,

00:38:59.200 decides that he

00:39:00.460 is going to pass

00:39:01.300 a law to prevent

00:39:02.840 ICE agents

00:39:03.900 from covering

00:39:04.960 their faces

00:39:05.420 with masks.

00:39:06.820 Now this is

00:39:07.440 really, really rich

00:39:08.420 coming from Gavin Newsom.

00:39:09.740 Gavin Newsom

00:39:10.520 forced two-year-olds

00:39:12.440 to wear masks

00:39:13.280 for no reason,

00:39:14.620 totally contrary

00:39:15.600 to medical necessity

00:39:17.900 during COVID

00:39:18.800 for years.

00:39:20.520 Forced little

00:39:20.920 two-year-olds

00:39:21.420 on airplanes

00:39:21.860 to wear masks.

00:39:24.140 Last time I checked,

00:39:25.320 last time I lived there,

00:39:26.300 and I was one

00:39:26.720 of his constituents,

00:39:27.560 Gavin Newsom

00:39:28.000 loved masks.

00:39:30.280 Now he doesn't

00:39:31.000 like masks.

00:39:32.080 He doesn't like masks

00:39:32.980 when it's federal agents

00:39:34.820 who are arresting

00:39:35.860 criminals, 0.62

00:39:36.720 cartel members, 0.98

00:39:38.200 illegal aliens

00:39:39.060 wearing masks.

00:39:39.860 Why are they wearing masks

00:39:40.720 in the first place?

00:39:42.180 They're wearing masks

00:39:43.040 to cover up

00:39:44.520 their identities

00:39:45.200 because they're dealing

00:39:46.220 with very,

00:39:47.060 very bad hombres.

00:39:48.340 They're dealing

00:39:48.920 with people

00:39:49.540 who are connected

00:39:50.140 to the cartels.

00:39:51.160 They're dealing

00:39:51.680 with gangsters.

00:39:52.820 They're dealing

00:39:53.360 with criminals.

00:39:54.600 They're dealing

00:39:55.380 with radical leftists.

00:39:58.220 And actually,

00:39:58.640 I don't know

00:39:58.980 which is worse,

00:39:59.680 Trende Aragwa

00:40:00.440 or the purple-haired leftists.

00:40:02.460 I don't know

00:40:02.860 which is more violent

00:40:03.780 and presents

00:40:04.140 the greater threat.

00:40:04.960 They're both very violent

00:40:06.000 against people

00:40:06.880 who are pursuing justice.

00:40:09.080 And so the agents

00:40:10.080 are wearing the masks.

00:40:11.260 And Gavin Newsom

00:40:11.860 is saying you can't

00:40:12.500 wear the masks

00:40:13.180 in order to threaten them.

00:40:17.620 That's the only explanation

00:40:18.740 I can see.

00:40:20.240 We know Newsom loves masks.

00:40:22.020 He's a big fan of masks

00:40:23.040 in the first place.

00:40:24.180 So what is it

00:40:24.800 about these masks?

00:40:26.600 The masks to prevent doxing.

00:40:28.740 The masks to prevent

00:40:29.760 identification.

00:40:30.860 The masks to prevent

00:40:31.900 harassment

00:40:33.180 and the harassment

00:40:34.060 of these people's families.

00:40:36.000 Those are the ones

00:40:36.600 that have to go.

00:40:37.800 It's so tone-deaf.

00:40:40.080 It's so threatening.

00:40:40.720 Here's what he had to say.

00:40:43.120 Unmarked cars.

00:40:44.960 People in masks.

00:40:45.820 People quite literally

00:40:46.760 disappearing.

00:40:47.680 No due process.

00:40:48.740 No rights.

00:40:49.460 This is a disgrace.

00:40:51.800 This is an outrage.

00:40:53.800 What we have allowed

00:40:54.660 to happen in this country.

00:40:56.160 It's ice.

00:40:57.140 Unmask.

00:40:57.600 What are you afraid of?

00:40:59.680 What are you afraid of?

00:41:03.540 We're afraid of 0.99

00:41:04.540 Mexican gangsters 1.00

00:41:05.780 and you people 1.00

00:41:06.820 murdering us 0.95

00:41:07.580 because that's 1.00

00:41:07.960 what you do.

00:41:09.940 Not a servile

00:41:10.940 kind of fear.

00:41:11.460 It's called prudence.

00:41:12.120 Gavin Newsom

00:41:12.620 wore masks for years

00:41:14.020 because of the nonsense

00:41:16.380 COVID regulations.

00:41:19.200 What are you guys afraid of?

00:41:20.680 Even that is so taunting.

00:41:22.060 It's so clear

00:41:22.600 what he's saying.

00:41:23.940 He's saying 1.00

00:41:24.520 we're going to kill you. 1.00

00:41:25.780 Either the Mexican gangsters 1.00

00:41:26.880 are going to kill you 1.00

00:41:27.520 or the Venezuelan gangsters 1.00

00:41:28.620 are going to kill you 1.00

00:41:29.380 or the leftists 1.00

00:41:30.420 and the trans activists 1.00

00:41:31.180 are going to kill you. 0.99

00:41:31.980 But some of them 1.00

00:41:34.280 are going to kill you. 0.99

00:41:34.800 Show us who you are. 1.00

00:41:35.540 We want to go kill you. 1.00

00:41:37.380 Just like we tried 1.00

00:41:38.220 to kill Brett Kavanaugh. 0.90

00:41:39.220 Just like we tried 1.00

00:41:39.840 to kill Donald Trump. 0.99

00:41:40.780 Just like we did 1.00

00:41:41.440 kill Charlie Kirk.

00:41:43.200 Just like we killed 1.00

00:41:44.740 dozens of people

00:41:45.440 during the BLM riots.

00:41:47.360 Just like we threatened

00:41:48.260 to kill other

00:41:48.720 conservative speakers 0.99

00:41:49.440 on campus. 1.00

00:41:50.140 We want to kill you. 1.00

00:41:51.360 Take your masks down 1.00

00:41:52.180 so we can kill you. 1.00

00:41:54.020 At this moment 1.00

00:41:55.180 when America

00:41:57.220 has suffered

00:41:58.040 the single most prominent

00:41:59.880 political assassination

00:42:00.760 in over half a century.

00:42:03.180 This is sick stuff. 1.00

00:42:04.340 He's a sick person 0.99

00:42:05.280 Gavin Newsom. 1.00

00:42:07.060 He's a psycho 1.00

00:42:07.780 is what he is. 1.00

00:42:08.380 I've called him 0.99

00:42:08.880 American psycho. 0.99

00:42:09.820 He looks like it. 0.99

00:42:11.780 This is

00:42:12.540 just the latest

00:42:13.580 piece of evidence.

00:42:14.620 Evidence number

00:42:15.300 3,250,851

00:42:18.420 that the mainstream left

00:42:20.680 promotes political violence.

00:42:22.040 The only thing

00:42:23.100 this is for.

00:42:24.660 He can't even get away

00:42:25.600 with it

00:42:25.880 because of the

00:42:26.340 supremacy clause.

00:42:27.240 He can't.

00:42:28.040 Gavin Newsom

00:42:28.800 as the governor

00:42:29.680 of California

00:42:30.920 cannot overrule

00:42:32.760 federal regulations

00:42:33.660 on how federal

00:42:34.800 law enforcement

00:42:35.320 does its job

00:42:35.940 to enforce federal law.

00:42:37.160 He has no right

00:42:38.000 to do that.

00:42:38.640 It's a complete joke.

00:42:40.780 All he's doing it

00:42:42.220 for is to taunt them

00:42:44.180 and to threaten them

00:42:45.820 and to try to intimidate them.

00:42:47.280 You even hear it

00:42:48.100 in his language.

00:42:49.140 What are you so afraid of?

00:42:51.140 What are you so afraid of, guys?

00:42:52.440 Come on,

00:42:52.700 take your masks down.

00:42:55.100 What?

00:42:55.880 No, we're not going 0.75

00:42:56.560 to kill you. 0.97

00:42:58.100 Are we? 1.00

00:42:58.660 Okay.

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The Michael Knowles Show - September 22, 2025

Ep. 1819 - ＂I Forgive Him＂： Over 100 Million View Charlie Kirk's Memorial

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