The Michael Knowles Show - September 22, 2025


Ep. 1819 - "I Forgive Him": Over 100 Million View Charlie Kirk's Memorial


Episode Stats

Length

43 minutes

Words per Minute

167.30795

Word Count

7,218

Sentence Count

649

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

27


Summary

Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica, forgave her husband's assassin in one of the most powerful speeches I've ever heard in my life. She said, "I forgive him. They do not know what they do, but I forgive them. They are grown men who are not given to sentiment or anything like that."


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hundreds of thousands of people, including virtually the entire U.S. government, turned up
00:00:04.980 to Phoenix for Charlie Kirk's memorial, which was one of the most remarkable events I've ever seen,
00:00:11.540 much less attended. Charlie's widow, Erica, gave one of the most powerful speeches I've ever heard
00:00:17.500 in my life. Not any of these statements has even a hint of hyperbole. We will get into all of it,
00:00:24.300 including the most significant aspect of an already remarkable memorial, namely that the
00:00:31.320 top leaders of our nation, which started out Christian, which started out Christian, but which
00:00:37.840 has become quite secular and even hostile to Christianity and the faith of our founding for
00:00:42.820 at least my entire life, spent five hours proclaiming the gospel. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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00:02:56.160 to Minneapolis because Charlie and I had an event at the University of Minneapolis today,
00:03:02.100 and the event will go on. TPUSA said that the speaking tour will go on. I thought that was the
00:03:08.040 right decision. We will not let these people silence us. So we'll be at what Charlie called
00:03:14.700 the University of Mogadishu, the last time that he and I were on air together. We will now,
00:03:20.220 of course, not be having a conversation between me and Charlie, but I will be having a conversation
00:03:24.740 with the audience about Charlie. But we will also have an open discussion. People who disagree can
00:03:29.520 cut to the front of the line. That will be at the University of Minnesota tonight. I'll just get
00:03:34.680 right into the biggest, most shocking news, the clip that broke the internet, just the most soul-stirring
00:03:44.700 moment many of us have seen in a very, very long time, which was when Charlie's widow, Erica,
00:03:50.440 got up on the stage at the memorial yesterday and forgave her husband's assassin.
00:04:02.860 Father, forgive them for they not know what they do. That man, that young man,
00:04:14.860 I forgive him.
00:04:19.640 I forgive him.
00:04:44.860 I was sitting there with some of the toughest politicians in the world. These are grown men
00:05:00.520 who are not given to sappy sentiment or anything like that. I don't think there was a dry high in
00:05:07.300 the house. There were many such moments in Erica's speech when, even for those of us who are a little
00:05:16.540 tough, a little jaded, the water comes right to the eyes. But that moment, even just seeing it again,
00:05:24.300 even just thinking about it, brings tears back to the eyes. That is a glimpse of Calvary.
00:05:30.260 That is a woman living out her Christian faith.
00:05:33.040 And there's a big misunderstanding, I think, about what this means, especially in our secular
00:05:38.720 culture. We used to be a Christian nation. We used to understand what that meant. Now we live
00:05:43.240 in a secular culture. Most people don't even understand what it means to forgive your enemies,
00:05:46.780 to love your enemies. A lot of people think that forgiving your enemies means you just let them off
00:05:52.280 the hook. Erica Kirk forgave that man yesterday. If he is convicted, the state of Utah will inject him
00:06:01.400 with poison until he's dead. Both of those things are true. Forgiving your enemies is something that
00:06:10.180 we're called to do because vengeance belongs to the Lord. Vengeance is mine, says the Lord, and I will
00:06:15.600 repay. When we have a personal enemy and when we hate our personal enemies, then we find ourselves
00:06:25.740 falling into sin because we are commanded by our Lord to love our enemies and because charity is a
00:06:30.720 theological virtue. We all sin. We all fall short of the glory of God. Our Lord commands us to pray,
00:06:39.160 the Our Father prayer, to ask our Father to forgive us our sins as we forgive those who trespass against
00:06:46.480 us. So in as much as we forgive the trespasses that others commit against us, so too our Lord will
00:06:52.800 forgive our sins. That's the personal side of things. Justice remains. The civil authority still
00:07:03.640 doesn't bear the sword in vain. The government is there appointed by God for our own good.
00:07:10.520 That is true also. And so when we forgive our personal enemies, the common good, the political
00:07:21.620 matter, the question of justice remains. And even that is for the person's own good. I mean, this is
00:07:29.360 also where people misunderstand what it means to love your enemies. Because we in our modern culture think
00:07:34.800 that love is just some happy, clappy thing where, you know, you hold hands or you write each other
00:07:40.000 poems or you, but that's not it. You have a warm and fuzzy feeling. That's not what love is.
00:07:45.280 Love has a precise definition. Love is willing the good of the other. So when Erica says, I forgive
00:07:51.520 this man, what she's saying is, I don't want to, I don't want to torture you until you're dead.
00:07:56.420 I don't want to inflict as much pain on you as possible just to try to vent my frustration
00:08:01.160 because that won't do anything. And it's just a very practical matter that won't do anything.
00:08:06.780 Eventually that guy will die and it won't matter. And then you will have been contorted
00:08:11.300 into a darkened will that is bereft of love. So it, it doesn't really hurt the other guy all that
00:08:18.480 much. And it does hurt you. This actually relates to what we were discussing last week from Plato's
00:08:23.880 Gorgias, which is, which is his, uh, treatise on, uh, justice, which one of his treatises on justice,
00:08:31.480 but a treatise on, on how we deal with criminals, how it's in fact, how it is better for the criminal
00:08:38.180 to be punished than for the criminal to get off the hook. It's better even for the criminal.
00:08:42.760 So when we will the good of the other, as in the case of this assassin, we're saying, look,
00:08:47.740 I don't want to, I don't want to torture you. I don't want to, I don't hate you. I don't will
00:08:54.280 the opposite of your good, which we could not do. That would be sinful for us. I will your good.
00:08:59.200 And in the case of this killer, the state of Utah says that what is good for the killer
00:09:03.380 is to face capital punishment. And I agree with that. What is good for the killer, what is good
00:09:09.260 for society to protect society from the killer is for the person to be killed. What is good for
00:09:14.280 future people who might be considering a political assassination is to see that the political
00:09:19.320 assassins are killed, but also what is good for the killer. Because as Dr. Johnson says,
00:09:24.020 depend upon it, sir. When a man knows he's to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind
00:09:27.980 wonderfully. There are people, there've been many people who've been in prison, who've been on death
00:09:33.480 row, who are looking at the gallows and say, well, I have to get my life in order. I have to convert.
00:09:37.960 That is good for that person's soul. So there's no, no contradiction whatsoever. It's an,
00:09:43.720 that was an amazing example yesterday of Christian charity. And in Christian charity,
00:09:49.680 you, you see even more clearly justice. One last point on Erica. When she said that,
00:09:57.760 notice everyone in the stadium stood up. This shows you the political divide. The left is trying
00:10:05.620 to both sides. This leftists keep killing us. They just keep, they keep targeting us. They keep
00:10:11.040 killing us with political violence, widespread political violence like BLM, targeted political
00:10:15.760 violence like the assassination of Charlie Kirk, sexually deviant political violence like the
00:10:21.000 many shootings of trans-identifying people, by trans-identifying people against non-trans-identifying
00:10:26.820 people, and the religious violence, the consistent attacks on Christians. You are seeing very,
00:10:33.600 very large scale political violence coming from the left. And how does the right respond?
00:10:39.120 We pray for their good. We forgive them. We forgive them as a personal matter. We need justice. We
00:10:46.780 need a greater enactment of justice, but we forgive them as a personal matter. Of course, on the flip
00:10:51.660 side, you see the opposite. You see, you see conservatives and Christians doing ordinary things. In fact,
00:10:58.740 doing and stating matters of virtue. I believe in marriage. I don't think a man can become a woman.
00:11:07.100 I think nations should have borders. It's normal kind of stuff. And how does the left react? I think
00:11:11.960 criminals should be arrested, for example. And how does the left react? The left reacts by rioting and
00:11:16.180 murdering and robbing and looting and all the rest of it. The difference could not be more stark.
00:11:20.960 And this is very fitting for Charlie, because Charlie was a man of stark contrasts. Not that he himself,
00:11:27.900 he was pretty clear. He was a Boy Scout. He was a Christian. He didn't drink. He didn't smoke. He
00:11:32.800 was pretty clear. Didn't go to school. Somehow founded the biggest youth organization, campus
00:11:37.780 organization in the country. But he painted a stark picture of the world. Said there's truth and
00:11:45.340 there's falsehood. You should pick truth, not falsehood. There's good and there's bad. And you
00:11:48.360 should do the good stuff and not the bad stuff. It's very, very clear, very helpful, because clarity
00:11:52.360 is charity. And in this case, it's clear. If yesterday's memorial didn't show it to you with
00:12:00.440 the cultural right and the political right, obviously, the whole top of the government,
00:12:07.560 if that didn't show it to you, I don't know what will. No one is good. No, not one. But if you're
00:12:15.280 looking as a political matter at which side is the good side and which side is the bad side,
00:12:18.760 that's the good side. And the leftists and the radicals and the sexual ideologues and the deviants
00:12:26.600 and the violent people, that's the bad side. The choice is that simple. The guys who in the
00:12:34.300 political debates wear the red ties and the American flags, they're on the good side. And the ones who
00:12:40.800 with the weird imagery, yelling the weird things, they're the bad side. It's simple as that.
00:12:48.760 It really, it really doesn't have to be much more complicated. Now, speaking of that political
00:12:52.860 order, after Erica gives this amazing display of Christian charity, President Trump gets up there
00:13:01.940 and he apparently gives the alternative point of view, although it's more complicated than that.
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00:13:45.940 Here's what President Trump says. Missionary with a noble spirit and a great, great purpose.
00:13:52.960 He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie.
00:13:59.880 I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them. I'm sorry. I am sorry, Erica. But now Erica can
00:14:09.860 talk to me and the whole group and maybe they can convince me that that's not right, but I can't stand
00:14:14.680 my opponent. Charlie's angry looking down. He's angry at me now.
00:14:21.980 I loved this bit. And I know that's an unpopular view. I loved this bit. Some people hated it.
00:14:33.960 Trump's critics, of course, hated it. But even I saw a lot of Christians hated this. They said,
00:14:38.720 Trump is preaching an anti-gospel. This is the opposite of the message of Christ. Pay more
00:14:44.200 attention, folks. You're not listening. You didn't hear that. Maybe, I don't know, maybe it's because
00:14:49.340 I'm a New Yorker by birth and upbringing. Maybe I speak this language a little bit better.
00:14:54.440 If your takeaway from President Trump's statement was this is contrary to the message of the gospel,
00:15:00.220 you, I don't know, you got to get the cotton out of your ears. You misheard something.
00:15:05.240 What does he say? He said in his eulogy to Charlie, where he's saying all the good things about Charlie,
00:15:11.020 he says Charlie didn't hate his enemies. He loved his enemies. And then he goes off the cuff. He says,
00:15:16.640 and that's where I disagreed with Charlie. Because me, I hate my enemies. I hate them.
00:15:21.040 I don't wish what's best for them. I wish what's worst for them. Everyone laughs. And then what does
00:15:27.420 he say? He says, but maybe Erica can, she can have a talking to with me. Because, you know,
00:15:33.080 and I know Charlie's looking down. He's angry at me. In other words, Charlie's in heaven. His idea was
00:15:40.840 the right idea. What I do is the bad thing. But it's very human. And we all fall prey to these
00:15:48.120 temptations because it's a fallen human nature. And I'm, me, I'm not as good as Charlie. Charlie is
00:15:54.040 the good one. Erica is the good one. Me, I'm not as good. And they got to talk to me. And I know,
00:15:59.440 Charlie, I'm sorry. I know you're angry with me. Maybe I'll try to do better. I'm just confessing
00:16:05.120 to you that I hate my enemies. That is a very Christian statement. That is a deeply Christian
00:16:09.920 statement. And the people who misheard it, you just, I don't know, you need a little levity or
00:16:15.800 something. G.K. Chesterton said the angels can fly because they can take themselves lightly.
00:16:21.020 What would have been dishonest, which would have been contrary to the Christian spirit,
00:16:26.360 would be if Donald Trump got up there and he said, and I too, like all the politicians,
00:16:30.360 oh, and I love my enemies, holier than thou, pious, but it's not real.
00:16:35.120 For a lot of them, it's not real. That would be a lie. That would be contrary to the Christian
00:16:38.460 spirit. Some holier than thou kind of speech from someone who is personally depraved,
00:16:44.220 that would be contrary to the Christian spirit. Pretending you're so much better than you really
00:16:49.960 are. Trump, if anything, does the opposite. He pretends to be a little worse than he is.
00:16:54.960 I don't think that he's a really bad guy. But he goes out there. Do you remember,
00:16:59.720 I use this example a lot. He was asked if he was going to have a beer, I think for St.
00:17:03.240 Patty's Day or something. He said, nah, I've never had a beer. It's the only good thing you
00:17:07.280 can say about me. Can you imagine if I drank, I'd be the worst. That's a statement of humility.
00:17:14.680 This is a statement of humility. Yeah. Hey guys, I'm a human and I hate my enemies. I hate them.
00:17:22.120 I am tempted to hate them and I don't want to wish their best. I wish they're, I hate them,
00:17:27.940 but I know that's wrong. I'm telling you that's wrong. What Charlie and Erica are doing are better.
00:17:33.480 That's why I'm saying Charlie's in heaven right now. I got to do better. Lord have mercy on me,
00:17:39.020 a sinner. That's what he's saying. He's making people laugh. There's a little levity while he's
00:17:43.400 doing it. It's okay. We can laugh. It's not. Now there were so many good speeches yesterday. I'm
00:17:48.680 not going to be able to get to all of them. Just a little, a little smattering of what was said.
00:17:53.900 Stephen Miller, I thought gave, gave a rousing political call very much in the spirit of Charlie
00:18:00.180 and Stephen Miller, deputy white house chief of staff was very, very close with Charlie. And
00:18:06.860 he, he, he did what he does best. We will prevail over the forces of wickedness and evil.
00:18:15.360 They cannot imagine what they have awakened. They cannot conceive of the army that they have arisen.
00:18:23.900 In all of us, because we stand for what is good, what is virtuous, what is noble. And to those
00:18:32.280 trying to incite violence against us, those trying to foment hatred against us, what do you have?
00:18:40.180 You have nothing. You are nothing. You are wickedness. You are jealousy. You are envy.
00:18:46.520 You are hatred. You are nothing. You can build nothing. You can produce nothing. You can create
00:18:54.940 nothing. We are the ones who build. We are the ones who create. We are the ones who lift up humanity.
00:19:03.600 You thought you could kill Charlie Kirk. You have made him immortal. You have immortalized Charlie
00:19:12.780 Kirk. And now millions will carry on his legacy.
00:19:16.020 I was sitting next to a guy, kind of a prominent person. So I'm not going to, I'm not going to say who
00:19:23.320 it was. He turns to me after Stephen's speech. He goes, man, the Jews really do the old Testament
00:19:28.500 better. This guy was not, was not Jewish. It says the Jews really do the old Testament better. That
00:19:34.440 was bringing some fire, wasn't it? And that line, we are the ones who build. That's a line you could,
00:19:42.400 you could put that on a, on a sign and put it over your office door. We are the ones who build.
00:19:49.400 That's a line like in Breaking Bad, Walter White, I am the one who knocks. We are the ones who build.
00:19:55.580 It's such a powerful line because it gives you a positive vision of the future and because it
00:20:00.020 rings true. The left destroys the right builds. That's just how it works. That's how it's worked since
00:20:06.140 the French Revolution. French Revolution was the left, the atheists and the secularists who sat on the
00:20:11.340 left side of the National Assembly who burned down buildings and who slaughtered people, who chopped
00:20:16.240 off people's heads, who destroyed the government, who attempted to destroy the church. That's what
00:20:20.360 they did. And it was the right that builds. It was the right. It was the Christians and it was the
00:20:26.120 defenders of the government and civil society that would build the cathedrals and the palaces and
00:20:33.280 the businesses and the statues and the everything. That's really what it comes down to. And it rang even
00:20:40.600 truer because we were sitting there at TPUSA. TPUSA, which is not just like a petition thing on the
00:20:47.640 internet. TPUSA, which is not just a group chat. TPUSA, which is a massive, powerful organization
00:20:57.000 that Charlie Kirk built. A proper institution. They really built that. What the left usually does is
00:21:05.920 goes into pre-existing institutions and destroys them. The left goes in and takes over the universities
00:21:11.200 or takes over movie studios or takes over big corporations and destroys them, eats away at them,
00:21:18.160 like termites in a wall. What the right does, what Charlie certainly did with TPUSA, is build something.
00:21:25.040 He goes, we're the ones who build, we're the ones who create. This is another reason not to waste your
00:21:28.260 time personally hating your enemies. Forget about your enemies. Let the civil authority deal with your
00:21:31.980 enemies. Leave vengeance to the Lord. He will repay. And their foot shall slide in due time.
00:21:38.040 You go build. You go create. That is a powerful message.
00:21:46.120 But the biggest portion of it to me, the biggest takeaway, is that we saw something that none of us
00:21:52.980 have seen in our lifetimes. We saw the top levels of the government preaching the gospel.
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00:23:29.000 Marco Rubio gets up there. Secretary of State brings down the house.
00:23:31.800 His deep belief that we were all created, every single one of us before the beginning of time
00:23:39.820 by the hands of the God of the universe, an all-powerful God who loved us and created us for
00:23:45.980 the purpose of living with him in eternity. But then sin entered the world and separated us from
00:23:51.260 our creator. And so God took on the form of a man and came down and lived among us. And he suffered like
00:23:58.600 men. And he died like a man. But on the third day, he rose unlike any mortal man. And then,
00:24:07.900 and to prove any doubters wrong, he ate with his disciples so they could see and they touched his
00:24:15.760 wounds. He didn't rise as a ghost or as a spirit, but his flesh. And then he rose to the heaven, but he
00:24:22.220 promised he would return. And he will. And when he returns, because he took on that death, because
00:24:28.580 he carried that cross, we were freed from the sin that separated us from him. And when he returns,
00:24:33.680 there will be a new heaven and a new earth, and we will all be together. And we are going to have
00:24:39.160 a great reunion there again with Charlie and all the people we love. Thank you and God bless you.
00:24:49.140 Absolutely beautiful. And for everyone who's blackpilling and who's all doom and gloom all the
00:24:53.980 time and says, our country's over and the West is falling and all. How do you make sense of that?
00:25:00.960 Our nation was founded by people who called themselves pilgrims, and then was developed by
00:25:06.220 people who said that we would be a model of Christian charity, and then was founded in the
00:25:11.100 late 18th century by people who said that we are endowed by our creator with certain rights. And then
00:25:16.620 in our national anthem, we hear the phrase, conquer we must when our cause it is just,
00:25:20.300 and this be our motto, in God is our trust. Then we put, in God we trust, on our money. And then
00:25:25.940 by the middle to the late 20th century, we start taking all that stuff away.
00:25:32.320 And we pretend that there's some firm separation between church and state.
00:25:36.460 We pretend that religion is no longer permitted in the public square.
00:25:40.120 We pretend that we can never know anything about religious truth. We can pretend
00:25:44.580 that the government has to be practically atheist. That was a recent invention in American history.
00:25:53.180 And what we saw yesterday was a little closer to what it used to be like.
00:25:58.860 And that's a beautiful thing. I know there are going to be some people, obviously on the left,
00:26:02.120 who hate God, but people on the right who are, I don't know, they're a little squishy,
00:26:07.160 or they're under the sway of liberal ideology, who say,
00:26:08.840 I don't want my government officials talking about religion.
00:26:13.600 Okay, well, what do you want them talking about?
00:26:16.080 It's not just any religion. We're talking about the Christian religion.
00:26:18.880 The Christian religion, which says, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.
00:26:23.640 What would you like them to say?
00:26:26.560 In politics, you have to have some idea.
00:26:29.940 In politics, you have to be motivated by some kind of spirit,
00:26:33.420 some kind of ideology at least.
00:26:35.080 You have to have some view of morality, because the law is just practical morality.
00:26:41.580 You have to have some conception of justice.
00:26:44.500 Justice is what the government does.
00:26:47.480 So which one would you prefer?
00:26:49.280 You don't like the love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you religion.
00:26:53.780 You don't like the one that says that if you believe in Christ, you will have everlasting life.
00:27:01.780 You don't want the religion of hope and faith and charity.
00:27:04.400 Which one would you prefer?
00:27:07.520 The religion of, if it feels good, do it.
00:27:10.780 The religion of make as much money as you can and then hoard it.
00:27:14.120 The religion of do weird sex stuff so long as it tickles you.
00:27:19.040 The religion of go out and get yours and forget about everybody else.
00:27:24.040 The religion of don't have any kids and let your whole civilization die off.
00:27:28.140 Which religion do you want?
00:27:29.420 Because for me, I think that broadly speaking, the men who settled this continent,
00:27:38.400 the men who founded our early projects in colonial government,
00:27:42.440 the men who founded our country in the late 18th century,
00:27:46.040 the men who built our country,
00:27:47.240 I think they broadly speaking had it right.
00:27:49.520 And I think that this modern religion that sought to supplant that has been a disaster.
00:27:56.740 Has led to a lot of degradation.
00:27:58.800 And I think this could be, forgive the phrase,
00:28:00.780 this really could be a turning point.
00:28:02.200 A turning point back in the right direction.
00:28:05.320 Because if you, as C.S. Lewis says,
00:28:07.100 if you're going in the wrong direction,
00:28:08.660 the first guy to turn around and start walking backward is the most progressive person.
00:28:12.040 He's the most forward-thinking person.
00:28:13.240 Last point on Charlie's memorial speeches.
00:28:17.300 J.D. Vance gives a really practical call for the people in that room
00:28:22.520 and the some hundred million people around the country who were streaming.
00:28:27.300 It is better to die a young man in this world
00:28:30.740 than to sell your soul for an easy life with no purpose, no risk, no love, and no truth.
00:28:36.480 Christ told us in the Gospel of John,
00:28:46.600 I have said these things to you,
00:28:48.640 that in me you may have peace.
00:28:51.560 In the world you will have tribulation.
00:28:55.120 But take heart,
00:28:56.540 I have overcome the world.
00:28:58.780 This is what's bothering a lot of us.
00:29:07.340 It's bothering me.
00:29:08.140 I'll be totally transparent about it.
00:29:10.860 We think, man, Charlie was so young.
00:29:13.160 And he had so much.
00:29:14.760 He had this beautiful wife,
00:29:15.900 these beautiful children,
00:29:17.100 all of this influence,
00:29:18.280 this big organization,
00:29:19.900 plenty of money.
00:29:20.920 He had so much.
00:29:23.320 And now it's gone.
00:29:25.920 Ah, if only he played it a little safer.
00:29:27.600 Ah, if only he'd been a little bit more timid,
00:29:30.100 not quite so brash,
00:29:31.380 not quite so ambitious,
00:29:32.460 not quite so courageous.
00:29:34.100 Then,
00:29:35.120 he'd still have all that stuff.
00:29:37.420 And J.D. says,
00:29:38.120 what are you talking about?
00:29:39.660 He says,
00:29:40.020 it is much better
00:29:40.900 to die a young man
00:29:43.280 than to live some aimless,
00:29:46.040 pointless life of comfort.
00:29:48.020 We're all going to die eventually
00:29:49.180 in the scope of eternity.
00:29:51.260 What's 31 versus 71 versus 91?
00:29:53.900 The question is,
00:29:56.680 what is life for?
00:29:57.900 And the Baltimore Catechism
00:29:59.020 gives us a good answer to this.
00:30:01.140 The purpose of life
00:30:02.100 is to know God
00:30:03.920 and love him
00:30:05.220 and to serve him in this world
00:30:06.660 and enjoy him forever
00:30:07.840 in eternity.
00:30:08.900 That's the purpose of life.
00:30:10.720 People sometimes joke,
00:30:11.520 what's the purpose of life?
00:30:12.460 Of 48, I don't know,
00:30:13.220 what's the purpose?
00:30:13.700 Oh, it's this question
00:30:14.780 we have to scratch our heads.
00:30:15.900 It's not actually
00:30:17.140 that complicated a question.
00:30:19.580 The practicality
00:30:20.560 of how to do those things
00:30:21.620 leads to some debate,
00:30:23.460 I suppose.
00:30:23.980 But the answer is pretty simple.
00:30:25.620 To know God,
00:30:26.420 we can know that God exists
00:30:27.480 merely as a matter of reason,
00:30:29.320 though God then reveals himself
00:30:30.360 and we have to do something with that.
00:30:31.860 We know that God exists,
00:30:33.340 so therefore we need to love him,
00:30:34.920 we need to serve him,
00:30:36.120 and we want to enjoy him
00:30:37.300 forever in heaven.
00:30:39.260 That gives a shape to your life.
00:30:40.720 That gives a shape to your life
00:30:42.300 that is much closer
00:30:43.480 to the shape of Charlie Kirk's life
00:30:45.400 than it is to the shape
00:30:46.720 of some couch potato doing nothing
00:30:48.940 who typifies modernity.
00:30:51.620 Good, good advice.
00:30:54.440 And to see the top brass
00:30:55.640 of the most powerful nation
00:30:56.720 in the history of the world
00:30:57.640 preaching the gospel
00:30:58.540 to 100 million people live,
00:31:00.800 many, many more
00:31:01.640 in the days to come.
00:31:04.800 It's a cause for hope.
00:31:06.140 Okay.
00:31:07.400 Another lovely little aspect here,
00:31:10.260 and this occurred
00:31:10.940 about 11 feet
00:31:12.320 from where I was sitting.
00:31:13.760 President Trump
00:31:14.580 and Elon Musk
00:31:16.120 made up.
00:31:18.000 They came together.
00:31:18.940 Musk posted this picture
00:31:20.520 of the two of them.
00:31:21.760 It says,
00:31:22.060 for Charlie.
00:31:23.200 They get up there,
00:31:23.900 they're sitting,
00:31:24.460 they're talking.
00:31:26.740 It was beautiful to see.
00:31:29.400 Charlie brought people together.
00:31:31.200 He did a lot of things.
00:31:32.040 He broadcast,
00:31:32.820 he published books,
00:31:33.680 he did debates,
00:31:34.540 he did this,
00:31:35.040 he did that.
00:31:35.540 To me,
00:31:37.240 the most impressive thing
00:31:38.000 he did was bring people together.
00:31:39.900 And I'm not talking
00:31:40.540 about Kumbaya BS,
00:31:41.640 I'm talking about
00:31:42.020 smart coalition building.
00:31:43.980 I'm talking about
00:31:46.340 not bringing everybody together.
00:31:48.860 He didn't create
00:31:49.620 a one nation party
00:31:50.720 of every single person
00:31:51.920 on the left and the right
00:31:53.160 where you don't stand
00:31:53.800 for anything,
00:31:54.220 you don't advance anything,
00:31:55.000 you don't believe anything.
00:31:55.660 No, no, no.
00:31:56.580 He built a right wing coalition
00:31:58.920 that was expansive enough
00:32:00.960 to win elections.
00:32:02.460 Susie Wiles,
00:32:03.000 chief of staff
00:32:03.340 of the White House,
00:32:04.640 said that Charlie
00:32:05.260 made the winning difference
00:32:06.160 in 2024.
00:32:08.120 He brought that together
00:32:09.420 in such a way
00:32:11.760 that the coalition
00:32:13.220 remained coherent
00:32:13.940 and could actually
00:32:15.140 pursue goals.
00:32:17.360 He did that.
00:32:17.880 And he did that yesterday.
00:32:18.940 He even brought
00:32:19.380 Trump and Musk
00:32:19.880 back together.
00:32:21.360 Musk,
00:32:21.720 who then went on
00:32:22.340 to recite the Lord's Prayer,
00:32:23.620 at least part of it,
00:32:24.360 he tweets that,
00:32:24.900 forgive us our trespasses
00:32:25.800 as we forgive those
00:32:26.480 who trespass against us.
00:32:28.560 Wow.
00:32:29.880 Is Charlie going to
00:32:31.140 turn Elon Musk
00:32:32.700 into a Christian?
00:32:34.260 It could happen.
00:32:35.120 Stranger things have happened.
00:32:37.640 How powerful would that be?
00:32:38.880 OK.
00:32:40.380 One thing that was floated
00:32:42.560 during the memorial yesterday
00:32:43.840 that we're waiting on now,
00:32:46.300 and there will be
00:32:46.900 an announcement momentarily,
00:32:48.440 is that President Trump
00:32:49.960 has apparently cured autism.
00:32:52.660 We didn't see that one coming.
00:32:54.220 It's going to be absolutely
00:32:54.980 devastating for the online right.
00:32:56.740 Autism, I think,
00:32:57.480 is actually a prerequisite
00:32:59.040 for being part of
00:32:59.580 the online right.
00:33:00.220 I kid, I kid.
00:33:01.100 Do I kid?
00:33:02.060 But President Trump announced
00:33:04.840 that the driver of autism,
00:33:08.120 one of the drivers
00:33:08.780 of autism,
00:33:09.640 is not as many,
00:33:10.740 I mean, I suppose
00:33:11.420 it could be vaccines,
00:33:12.400 but a lot of people think
00:33:12.920 it's the vaccines,
00:33:14.100 or it's this,
00:33:15.260 or it's, I don't know,
00:33:16.100 microplastics,
00:33:16.800 or it's this or that
00:33:17.340 or the other thing.
00:33:18.940 According to
00:33:19.900 advance notice
00:33:21.840 that was leaked
00:33:22.300 to reporters,
00:33:23.440 Trump plans to announce
00:33:24.460 that using Tylenol
00:33:26.720 can cause autism.
00:33:28.920 Tylenol.
00:33:29.900 Using Tylenol
00:33:30.580 during pregnancy
00:33:31.220 can contribute
00:33:32.060 to autism risk,
00:33:32.900 so they will advise
00:33:34.260 pregnant women
00:33:34.920 only to use it
00:33:36.540 or the generic version,
00:33:37.840 acetaminophen,
00:33:38.740 for high fevers,
00:33:39.780 according to two
00:33:40.360 senior administration officials.
00:33:42.420 Those officials,
00:33:43.240 granted anonymity,
00:33:44.820 said that President Trump
00:33:46.180 would also highlight
00:33:47.120 lucovorin,
00:33:49.060 a cancer and anemia drug,
00:33:50.360 as a potential therapy
00:33:51.360 for people with autism.
00:33:52.260 So,
00:33:53.480 it's President Trump
00:33:54.760 and his administration
00:33:57.480 not only finding
00:33:59.020 one of the causes,
00:34:00.940 if not the chief cause,
00:34:02.380 of one of the
00:34:03.480 biggest public health
00:34:06.240 problems to arise
00:34:07.480 in recent decades,
00:34:08.560 but also,
00:34:10.360 apparently,
00:34:10.920 a treatment for people
00:34:11.620 who have autism.
00:34:12.540 And we joke about it,
00:34:13.620 you know,
00:34:13.920 that many people today
00:34:15.980 will say,
00:34:16.340 oh, I'm autistic,
00:34:17.240 oh, yeah,
00:34:17.520 I'm a little spurgy,
00:34:18.340 got a touch of the tism.
00:34:19.500 And it's a way
00:34:20.400 to just excuse
00:34:21.100 having eccentric personalities
00:34:22.240 but autism is actually
00:34:23.600 a very terrible ailment
00:34:24.900 to deal with.
00:34:26.100 It's a very,
00:34:26.920 very difficult condition
00:34:27.760 for the person suffering
00:34:28.660 and also for the family
00:34:29.440 of those people.
00:34:30.460 And so,
00:34:31.160 it is weird
00:34:31.860 that the autism rates
00:34:33.180 have spiked
00:34:33.980 orders of magnitude
00:34:34.940 in recent decades
00:34:35.740 and there has to be
00:34:36.400 some cause for this.
00:34:39.180 And if the Trump administration
00:34:40.420 identified the cause,
00:34:42.560 that's just
00:34:43.040 another feather in the cap
00:34:44.820 and another way
00:34:45.840 to confound his opponents
00:34:46.840 because it means
00:34:47.460 that President Trump's
00:34:49.000 administration
00:34:49.640 has achieved
00:34:51.700 some of the greatest
00:34:52.980 scientific progress
00:34:54.380 in our lifetimes.
00:34:58.020 But all of these assumptions
00:34:59.620 are just being overturned.
00:35:00.900 Here's another one.
00:35:01.680 The assumption that
00:35:02.600 Democrats in the left
00:35:03.920 are the party of kindness
00:35:05.380 and warmth
00:35:06.080 and peace
00:35:06.640 and, of course,
00:35:07.220 not.
00:35:07.420 They're burning the cities down.
00:35:08.280 They're assassinating
00:35:08.780 their opponents.
00:35:09.420 They're cheering on
00:35:10.060 the assassination
00:35:10.500 of their opponents,
00:35:11.160 all the rest of it.
00:35:13.720 And the left,
00:35:15.020 they're the party of science.
00:35:16.160 Trump is anti-science.
00:35:17.060 He's defunding Harvard.
00:35:18.380 He's defunding Harvard
00:35:19.200 and curing autism.
00:35:20.760 I don't know.
00:35:21.060 Isn't that a reminder
00:35:24.480 that the political divide
00:35:26.300 in this country
00:35:26.860 is not really
00:35:27.500 all that complicated?
00:35:28.440 It's not,
00:35:29.180 as it may have been
00:35:29.980 in years past,
00:35:30.880 about weighing pros and cons.
00:35:32.820 Well, you know,
00:35:33.400 I like this from the Republicans,
00:35:35.080 but I like that
00:35:36.060 from the Democrats,
00:35:37.160 and there's a little
00:35:37.760 give and a take,
00:35:38.420 and I don't know.
00:35:39.200 It's like,
00:35:39.540 are you on the side
00:35:40.380 of child-abusing,
00:35:43.140 Satan-worshipping,
00:35:44.700 politically violent terrorists,
00:35:46.740 or are you on the side
00:35:48.260 of the people
00:35:49.360 who forgive their enemies,
00:35:51.620 pray for those
00:35:52.140 who persecute them,
00:35:53.520 discover scientific inventions,
00:35:56.440 build things,
00:35:58.140 create things,
00:35:59.300 arrest the criminals,
00:36:00.340 and give you
00:36:00.740 a flourishing society?
00:36:02.220 Which side are you on?
00:36:02.880 To me,
00:36:03.260 it's not that hard.
00:36:04.900 It's not to say
00:36:05.680 that the Democrats
00:36:07.060 are pure evil.
00:36:07.880 It's not to say
00:36:08.360 that the Republicans
00:36:08.960 are perfect.
00:36:09.700 Certainly,
00:36:10.060 neither of those things
00:36:10.640 are true,
00:36:11.040 but like,
00:36:11.380 come on, guys.
00:36:12.540 Come on.
00:36:15.060 He cured autism.
00:36:17.320 That's crazy.
00:36:19.040 Tonight,
00:36:19.440 I was supposed to join
00:36:20.440 Charlie Kirk
00:36:21.180 on his American Comeback Tour
00:36:22.960 at the University of Minneapolis.
00:36:25.340 We were going to have
00:36:25.880 a conversation,
00:36:26.780 open it up for Q&A.
00:36:28.520 Obviously,
00:36:29.100 that will not happen
00:36:29.820 after his murder
00:36:31.220 12 days ago.
00:36:34.080 The tour will continue.
00:36:36.640 The left thought
00:36:37.940 that they could silence
00:36:39.020 Charlie Kirk,
00:36:39.740 that they could stop him
00:36:40.940 and the movement
00:36:41.420 that they've built.
00:36:42.260 They will not even succeed
00:36:43.440 at stopping his speaking tour.
00:36:45.740 We'll be there.
00:36:46.480 Now,
00:36:47.000 I will be
00:36:47.520 doing the event solo.
00:36:49.500 It will be a tribute
00:36:50.140 to Charlie.
00:36:52.620 And then,
00:36:53.160 we will have the open Q&A.
00:36:54.780 And we will have
00:36:55.380 conversations
00:36:56.000 and people who disagree
00:36:57.520 can still cut
00:36:58.100 to the front of the line.
00:36:59.120 You can watch it
00:36:59.860 all live,
00:37:00.780 Daily War Plus.
00:37:01.780 Watch every minute
00:37:02.740 from Minneapolis,
00:37:04.240 7.15 p.m.
00:37:05.600 Eastern,
00:37:06.620 Daily War Plus.
00:37:08.380 Okay.
00:37:09.900 Even this,
00:37:11.180 and then we'll move on,
00:37:12.460 even this
00:37:13.020 has a Charlie connection
00:37:15.280 to it.
00:37:16.560 Because RFK Jr.,
00:37:18.600 last week when
00:37:19.560 J.D. Vance was hosting
00:37:20.500 Charlie's show,
00:37:22.340 RFK Jr. credited Charlie
00:37:24.420 with him even taking
00:37:25.140 this job.
00:37:25.580 You know what the transition
00:37:29.180 is like.
00:37:29.680 You never kind of know
00:37:30.480 what's going to happen.
00:37:32.400 And he was a critical ally
00:37:34.400 for me
00:37:35.060 in calling President Trump.
00:37:36.940 And at first,
00:37:37.500 you know,
00:37:37.620 when President Trump
00:37:38.240 asked me
00:37:38.900 whether I wanted
00:37:39.540 this job,
00:37:40.060 I was tentative.
00:37:41.360 I didn't know
00:37:42.100 whether I wanted
00:37:42.640 to handle
00:37:43.240 Medicaid and Medicare,
00:37:45.460 which was the biggest,
00:37:46.540 you know,
00:37:46.900 economic BMS.
00:37:48.380 Sure.
00:37:48.900 And he really
00:37:50.160 persuaded me
00:37:51.020 that I should do it.
00:37:52.940 And then he helped me
00:37:54.680 not only making calls
00:37:56.360 to the President himself,
00:37:57.300 but telling me people
00:37:58.440 that I should call
00:37:59.280 an operating strategist.
00:38:03.740 Even this,
00:38:05.060 even in this,
00:38:06.080 Bobby Kennedy's been
00:38:07.600 on a jihad
00:38:08.260 to cure autism
00:38:09.220 and prevent autism
00:38:10.020 for decades now.
00:38:11.780 And he's Trump's
00:38:13.700 HHS secretary.
00:38:14.440 Now they might have
00:38:14.820 cured autism.
00:38:15.800 We'll find out.
00:38:17.160 Even that,
00:38:18.600 Charlie Kirk
00:38:19.040 was instrumental in that.
00:38:19.900 Without Charlie Kirk,
00:38:20.700 that might not have happened.
00:38:22.060 It shows you
00:38:22.460 what one man can do,
00:38:23.460 even a young kid,
00:38:24.100 even a kid 18 years old
00:38:25.100 two days after
00:38:25.560 graduating high school.
00:38:27.200 Before we get
00:38:27.760 to the member segmentum,
00:38:28.760 one more story.
00:38:29.540 Because we've only talked
00:38:30.480 about the right,
00:38:31.100 really, today.
00:38:32.360 We've focused on the right.
00:38:36.400 Gavin Newsom,
00:38:37.580 on the left,
00:38:38.800 is showing you
00:38:39.460 what our political opponents
00:38:40.400 are up to right now.
00:38:41.140 Gavin Newsom,
00:38:42.780 amid this period
00:38:43.780 of national mourning
00:38:44.680 as right-wingers
00:38:46.320 are facing threats
00:38:47.040 of assassination,
00:38:47.580 actual assassination,
00:38:49.100 the celebration
00:38:49.660 of right-wing
00:38:51.000 assassinations
00:38:51.860 from the left,
00:38:53.560 from the mainstream
00:38:54.120 left even.
00:38:55.100 While all this
00:38:55.660 is going on,
00:38:57.380 Gavin Newsom,
00:38:58.240 governor of California,
00:38:59.200 decides that he
00:39:00.460 is going to pass
00:39:01.300 a law to prevent
00:39:02.840 ICE agents
00:39:03.900 from covering
00:39:04.960 their faces
00:39:05.420 with masks.
00:39:06.820 Now this is
00:39:07.440 really, really rich
00:39:08.420 coming from Gavin Newsom.
00:39:09.740 Gavin Newsom
00:39:10.520 forced two-year-olds
00:39:12.440 to wear masks
00:39:13.280 for no reason,
00:39:14.620 totally contrary
00:39:15.600 to medical necessity
00:39:17.900 during COVID
00:39:18.800 for years.
00:39:20.520 Forced little
00:39:20.920 two-year-olds
00:39:21.420 on airplanes
00:39:21.860 to wear masks.
00:39:24.140 Last time I checked,
00:39:25.320 last time I lived there,
00:39:26.300 and I was one
00:39:26.720 of his constituents,
00:39:27.560 Gavin Newsom
00:39:28.000 loved masks.
00:39:30.280 Now he doesn't
00:39:31.000 like masks.
00:39:32.080 He doesn't like masks
00:39:32.980 when it's federal agents
00:39:34.820 who are arresting
00:39:35.860 criminals,
00:39:36.720 cartel members,
00:39:38.200 illegal aliens
00:39:39.060 wearing masks.
00:39:39.860 Why are they wearing masks
00:39:40.720 in the first place?
00:39:42.180 They're wearing masks
00:39:43.040 to cover up
00:39:44.520 their identities
00:39:45.200 because they're dealing
00:39:46.220 with very,
00:39:47.060 very bad hombres.
00:39:48.340 They're dealing
00:39:48.920 with people
00:39:49.540 who are connected
00:39:50.140 to the cartels.
00:39:51.160 They're dealing
00:39:51.680 with gangsters.
00:39:52.820 They're dealing
00:39:53.360 with criminals.
00:39:54.600 They're dealing
00:39:55.380 with radical leftists.
00:39:58.220 And actually,
00:39:58.640 I don't know
00:39:58.980 which is worse,
00:39:59.680 Trende Aragwa
00:40:00.440 or the purple-haired leftists.
00:40:02.460 I don't know
00:40:02.860 which is more violent
00:40:03.780 and presents
00:40:04.140 the greater threat.
00:40:04.960 They're both very violent
00:40:06.000 against people
00:40:06.880 who are pursuing justice.
00:40:09.080 And so the agents
00:40:10.080 are wearing the masks.
00:40:11.260 And Gavin Newsom
00:40:11.860 is saying you can't
00:40:12.500 wear the masks
00:40:13.180 in order to threaten them.
00:40:17.620 That's the only explanation
00:40:18.740 I can see.
00:40:20.240 We know Newsom loves masks.
00:40:22.020 He's a big fan of masks
00:40:23.040 in the first place.
00:40:24.180 So what is it
00:40:24.800 about these masks?
00:40:26.600 The masks to prevent doxing.
00:40:28.740 The masks to prevent
00:40:29.760 identification.
00:40:30.860 The masks to prevent
00:40:31.900 harassment
00:40:33.180 and the harassment
00:40:34.060 of these people's families.
00:40:36.000 Those are the ones
00:40:36.600 that have to go.
00:40:37.800 It's so tone-deaf.
00:40:40.080 It's so threatening.
00:40:40.720 Here's what he had to say.
00:40:43.120 Unmarked cars.
00:40:44.960 People in masks.
00:40:45.820 People quite literally
00:40:46.760 disappearing.
00:40:47.680 No due process.
00:40:48.740 No rights.
00:40:49.460 This is a disgrace.
00:40:51.800 This is an outrage.
00:40:53.800 What we have allowed
00:40:54.660 to happen in this country.
00:40:56.160 It's ice.
00:40:57.140 Unmask.
00:40:57.600 What are you afraid of?
00:40:59.680 What are you afraid of?
00:41:03.540 We're afraid of
00:41:04.540 Mexican gangsters
00:41:05.780 and you people
00:41:06.820 murdering us
00:41:07.580 because that's
00:41:07.960 what you do.
00:41:09.940 Not a servile
00:41:10.940 kind of fear.
00:41:11.460 It's called prudence.
00:41:12.120 Gavin Newsom
00:41:12.620 wore masks for years
00:41:14.020 because of the nonsense
00:41:16.380 COVID regulations.
00:41:19.200 What are you guys afraid of?
00:41:20.680 Even that is so taunting.
00:41:22.060 It's so clear
00:41:22.600 what he's saying.
00:41:23.940 He's saying
00:41:24.520 we're going to kill you.
00:41:25.780 Either the Mexican gangsters
00:41:26.880 are going to kill you
00:41:27.520 or the Venezuelan gangsters
00:41:28.620 are going to kill you
00:41:29.380 or the leftists
00:41:30.420 and the trans activists
00:41:31.180 are going to kill you.
00:41:31.980 But some of them
00:41:34.280 are going to kill you.
00:41:34.800 Show us who you are.
00:41:35.540 We want to go kill you.
00:41:37.380 Just like we tried
00:41:38.220 to kill Brett Kavanaugh.
00:41:39.220 Just like we tried
00:41:39.840 to kill Donald Trump.
00:41:40.780 Just like we did
00:41:41.440 kill Charlie Kirk.
00:41:43.200 Just like we killed
00:41:44.740 dozens of people
00:41:45.440 during the BLM riots.
00:41:47.360 Just like we threatened
00:41:48.260 to kill other
00:41:48.720 conservative speakers
00:41:49.440 on campus.
00:41:50.140 We want to kill you.
00:41:51.360 Take your masks down
00:41:52.180 so we can kill you.
00:41:54.020 At this moment
00:41:55.180 when America
00:41:57.220 has suffered
00:41:58.040 the single most prominent
00:41:59.880 political assassination
00:42:00.760 in over half a century.
00:42:03.180 This is sick stuff.
00:42:04.340 He's a sick person
00:42:05.280 Gavin Newsom.
00:42:07.060 He's a psycho
00:42:07.780 is what he is.
00:42:08.380 I've called him
00:42:08.880 American psycho.
00:42:09.820 He looks like it.
00:42:11.780 This is
00:42:12.540 just the latest
00:42:13.580 piece of evidence.
00:42:14.620 Evidence number
00:42:15.300 3,250,851
00:42:18.420 that the mainstream left
00:42:20.680 promotes political violence.
00:42:22.040 The only thing
00:42:23.100 this is for.
00:42:24.660 He can't even get away
00:42:25.600 with it
00:42:25.880 because of the
00:42:26.340 supremacy clause.
00:42:27.240 He can't.
00:42:28.040 Gavin Newsom
00:42:28.800 as the governor
00:42:29.680 of California
00:42:30.920 cannot overrule
00:42:32.760 federal regulations
00:42:33.660 on how federal
00:42:34.800 law enforcement
00:42:35.320 does its job
00:42:35.940 to enforce federal law.
00:42:37.160 He has no right
00:42:38.000 to do that.
00:42:38.640 It's a complete joke.
00:42:40.780 All he's doing it
00:42:42.220 for is to taunt them
00:42:44.180 and to threaten them
00:42:45.820 and to try to intimidate them.
00:42:47.280 You even hear it
00:42:48.100 in his language.
00:42:49.140 What are you so afraid of?
00:42:51.140 What are you so afraid of, guys?
00:42:52.440 Come on,
00:42:52.700 take your masks down.
00:42:55.100 What?
00:42:55.880 No, we're not going
00:42:56.560 to kill you.
00:42:58.100 Are we?
00:42:58.660 Okay.
00:42:59.700 Much more to get to.
00:43:00.520 We don't have time.
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