The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 182 - The Deepest Bias In American History

00:00:00.000 The Democrats have found us out. Just as we American Catholics were on the cusp of rising up,

00:00:07.220 dissolving the government, instituting theocracy loyal to Rome, instituting mandatory dress codes

00:00:13.580 of Albs, Cassocks, Zucchetti, and Miters, just as the Opus Dei were finally going to replace the

00:00:19.440 U.S. Constitution with the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the Democrats found us out.

00:00:24.260 We would have gotten away with it too. If it weren't for you meddling Democrats,

00:00:27.520 we will analyze the sudden return of anti-Catholic bigotry to American public discourse through

00:00:33.140 attacks on the Federalist Society from CNN to the floor of the U.S. Senate. Then, speaking of CNN,

00:00:38.860 the cable news network airs a segment on illegal aliens that seems to lose a little bit in

00:00:43.560 translation. This clip is too good to miss, and nobody's talking about it. Wonder why. Finally,

00:00:50.060 speaking of the Federalists, we will analyze the last time demagogues attacked a Federalist

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00:04:04.920 covfefe. We have got to get to the anti-Catholic bigotry that has just bubbled up in the last two

00:04:11.880 weeks. Before that, though, before we get to Catholicism, I have to talk about an Orthodox Jew.

00:04:16.560 Ben Shapiro said something really shocking on his show today. It was broadly about Yale Law School.

00:04:23.700 Just play the clip and we can talk about it. So Yale Law School is, let's face it,

00:04:28.000 a second-rate law school. I mean, I went to Harvard, so I should know. And the Yale Law

00:04:31.920 Students are proving themselves to be inferior law students, just as Yale proved itself an

00:04:35.480 inferior college by accepting my friend Michael Knowles into its school. The reality is Yale Law

00:04:40.360 Students seem not to know exactly how judicial appointments work. I know. It's absolutely shocking

00:04:46.220 to say that sort of thing publicly on air. He called me his friend. Can you believe that?

00:04:53.040 I can't, my jaw dropped when I saw that clip. Incredible. It is, you know, the story that Ben

00:04:59.440 is referencing is that these Yale Law Students, these very recent Yale Law Students, the last few

00:05:04.300 years, are very upset that a Yale Law graduate, Brett Kavanaugh, is now going to be on the Supreme

00:05:09.120 Court. And they're very upset that Yale Law issued a press release and said, hey, we're proud that one

00:05:13.020 of our graduates has been nominated to the Supreme Court. That's pretty good. And they said, how dare

00:05:17.280 you? It's people are going to die. And it is really sad because a number of the people on that list

00:05:23.860 were contemporaries and classmates of mine in undergraduate. So I do know a bunch of them.

00:05:29.540 And they were pretty, they were eccentric. They were not great at parties. You know,

00:05:35.300 they're kind of like, wah, wah, wah. Don't know. Nothing's fun. Everything's terrible. I mean,

00:05:38.380 really far left, radical left people. So, you know, okay, guys, you signed your name to the petition.

00:05:44.400 I bet that'll stop Kavanaugh. I bet that'll stop him from going to the court. Very funny. And,

00:05:49.200 and Ben called me a friend. Okay, so let's move on to the main story, which is the anti-Catholic

00:05:56.120 bigotry. And it really is bubbling up like crazy here. This is not a new experience in the United

00:06:02.740 States. CNN ran this piece today. The question is, why do Catholics hold a strong majority on the

00:06:10.720 Supreme Court? Simple enough question. There are a lot of Catholics on the Supreme Court. 0.99

00:06:15.220 Byron Wolf wrote this piece in the Chris Silliza section of CNN, The Point. He says, quote,

00:06:21.840 there's only ever been one Catholic president and Catholics are a declining portion of the U.S.

00:06:26.220 population. But they're holding a strong majority on the U.S. Supreme Court. When President Donald

00:06:31.440 Trump nominated Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court Tuesday night, Kavanaugh describes his Catholic

00:06:35.920 faith and the importance of the church in his life, from the high school he attended to the

00:06:39.900 Catholic youth organization basketball teams he now coaches. Ooh, Catholic youth organization 0.97

00:06:45.880 basketball. Ooh, right? You're getting very nervous as you read this. If confirmed, Kavanaugh will

00:06:51.300 replace Anthony Kennedy, who is Catholic-ish. Trump's other nominee, now Justice Neil Gorsuch,

00:06:57.480 replaced Catholic Antonin Scalia. Gorsuch attends Episcopal churches now, but was raised Catholic.

00:07:02.260 CNN's Daniel Burke has written that about Gorsuch's faith, which he keeps private, and it is a

00:07:08.820 complicated matter. So, all right, ooh, he's got faith. Ooh, he might believe in God. Oh, this is

00:07:13.880 complicated. This is scary. Aren't you afraid? Every other Republican-appointed justice, he writes,

00:07:18.680 on the court is Catholic, and Democrat-appointed Sonia Sotomayor was raised Catholic. During her

00:07:23.620 nomination, she described herself as a cultural Catholic. So, let's just take that part for a second.

00:07:29.020 It's all this insinuation, and this is what the left has been adding to the conversation for weeks

00:07:34.640 now. I'm not being anti-Catholic, but isn't it strange? Isn't it strange all of these Catholics 1.00

00:07:42.060 show up on the court? He actually goes on in this piece, a justice's religion does not, nor should it

00:07:47.060 matter, but it is certainly a curiosity of modern politics that Catholic and Jewish justices have found

00:07:53.960 such success. Yeah, it's a very curiosity on the court that they have so many Catholic and Jewish

00:08:00.440 justices. Yeah, yeah. That was to my Martin Luther impression, by the way. I don't know what you

00:08:05.520 thought that was. But there is a perception, he goes on, that male Catholics on the court are more

00:08:10.000 likely to vote against abortion and perhaps plays a role among conservatives looking to chip away at Roe v.

00:08:15.840 Wade. Just that language. There is a perception. That says it all. This is the mainstream media trick.

00:08:22.140 They always say critics say that George W. Bush is a terrible, mean monster. Critics say, some people 0.96

00:08:29.200 say, and that's the phrase, there is a perception. There's a perception among whom? What perception?

00:08:34.200 What do you mean there's a perception? No, you think that. You are insinuating that. There is an

00:08:38.660 insinuation by CNN that Catholics are going to throw away the Constitution and judge cases based on what the

00:08:45.700 Pope tells them to do. That's what CNN is saying. That's what, but there is, there is a perception.

00:08:50.520 That's, there is a perception. And of course, a justice's religion should not matter in how they

00:08:56.920 read the Constitution. But very often, the fastest growing religion in the country, atheism, does

00:09:02.300 affect how people view it. The final piece of this, he says, in a Pew survey from 2014, the fastest

00:09:08.200 growing religious group was unaffiliated, which grew from 16.1% in 2007 to 22.8%, eclipsing Catholicism

00:09:15.100 in the U.S. in the process. So he's saying, he's saying, on the one hand, these kind of

00:09:21.600 personal aspects of our character, they shouldn't affect how we interpret the text. We should

00:09:25.940 interpret the text as it's written. On the other hand, the Supreme Court should reflect

00:09:30.300 the population broadly. But the Supreme Court's not a popular institution. The Supreme Court

00:09:35.140 isn't the legislature. It's not supposed to represent the people. You're supposed to interpret

00:09:38.460 the law. It's the logos, the logic of the country, not the pathos, not the emotion of

00:09:44.380 the country. And so he wants to have his cake and eat it, too. And it's all just insinuation.

00:09:48.360 This is nothing new. Anti-Catholic bigotry in the United States has always been this way.

00:09:53.100 Arthur Schlesinger, the 20th century historian, he said that anti-Catholicism is, quote, the deepest

00:10:00.120 bias in the history of the American people. We don't think of it that way. Popularly, we think 0.92

00:10:04.100 the bias is racism or sexism or anti-American Indian or whatever. Anti-Catholicism from the

00:10:12.240 very beginning has been a defining feature of the United States. But it's kind of taken

00:10:15.660 different forms and now it is bubbling up on the left. Thomas Nast, the great political

00:10:19.820 cartoonist, he drew a cartoon in the 19th century of Catholics, little bishops as crocodiles on

00:10:27.540 the American Ganges. It was Catholic crocodiles climbing up the river Ganges to subvert the United 1.00

00:10:33.580 States. But we actually got public schools in America because of anti-Catholicism. That's where 0.66

00:10:39.420 a lot of our public education comes from. Because there was a senator from Maine, I believe, James

00:10:44.280 Blaine, who was so worried about the proliferation of Catholic schools in the United States. You know,

00:10:50.680 for all of Western history, just about, the Catholic schools have played a role in educating the elite

00:10:57.540 and have educated so many people in the last two millennia. So he was worried about the

00:11:03.480 proliferation of them in the U.S. And he said that we need public schooling that is non-sectarian. 0.84

00:11:09.540 U.S. Grant, same thing, was afraid of Catholic schooling. So he came out and he said he feared a

00:11:14.620 future where patriotism and intelligence was on one side and superstition, ambition, and greed was on the

00:11:21.360 other. All of that referring to Catholics. He said he wanted schools unmixed with, quote,

00:11:25.460 atheistic, pagan, or sectarian teaching. This is U.S. Grant. This is a, you know, good general,

00:11:31.640 good president. Sectarian was the euphemism used for Catholic. So you see this even on the Republican

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00:13:39.280 Anyway, so that's where we get you. You can thank anti-Catholicism for public schools.

00:13:43.520 You know, there's that great institution in America, public schooling, because there was a

00:13:48.640 fear of Catholics. This used to be a big issue among the Republicans. You actually had this

00:13:53.920 Reverend Samuel Bouchard, who was a Republican. He had this quote. He said, we are Republicans

00:13:58.960 and don't propose to leave our party and identify ourselves with the party whose antecedents

00:14:04.640 have been rum, Romanism, and rebellion. And I only like two of those three, by the way. I only like

00:14:11.500 two of those three. Rum, Romanism, and rebellion. Now, it wasn't only Republicans. The KKK was

00:14:18.420 anti-Catholic. That was the terrorist wing of the Democrat Party. And now the Democrats are the

00:14:23.080 anti-Catholic ones. But they've been the subject of a lot of bigotry in the U.S.

00:14:29.760 In 1891, the largest mass lynching in American history was against Sicilians, was against

00:14:35.760 Catholic Sicilians. In 1921, Father James Coyle was assassinated in Birmingham by a Methodist

00:14:42.740 minister. Talk about fire and brimstone minister. Guy goes out there, actually kills a Catholic 0.96

00:14:47.980 priest. And where this really came to a head, the last time we had a real bubbling of anti-Catholicism

00:14:53.380 in America, was JFK. And JFK, being just a crass, degenerate Democrat politician, took exactly the

00:15:01.420 wrong approach on this. The question when JFK was running for president in 1960 was, if you have a

00:15:06.940 Catholic in the White House, is he just going to take his orders from the Pope? What if the Pope 0.53

00:15:10.700 tells him to do something? Is he going to do that? Does the Pope then control the United States? And we

00:15:14.620 laugh at that now, but this was the anti-Catholic fear then. The way JFK approached this really has

00:15:20.900 poisoned religion in American politics in many ways since. Here's JFK. I believe in an America

00:15:27.520 where the separation of church and state is absolute. I believe in a president whose views

00:15:34.980 and religion are his own private affair, neither imposed upon him by the nation nor imposed by the

00:15:42.540 nation upon him as a condition to holding that office. So what he says is, look, I'm a Catholic

00:15:50.020 running for president. The way that I'm going to, Catholicism is going to inform my presidency is

00:15:55.560 not at all whatsoever. I don't even really think about it that much. Seriously, I'm not that

00:15:59.460 Catholic. That's his response. But that's crazy. Of course our views, our religious views, inform our

00:16:05.280 views of other things in the world. Politics is downstream of culture. Culture comes from the cult.

00:16:09.860 It comes from what we worship. So this shouldn't affect how we view the Constitution. We shouldn't

00:16:14.800 want to rewrite the Constitution into the catechism of the Catholic Church. But of course it affects

00:16:19.760 our views on the world. We view the world in a certain way through this lens. We think that

00:16:23.720 human life has dignity and purpose because of our religious views. Some religions don't believe that.

00:16:29.460 Some people think human life doesn't have any dignity, that we can kill it and it doesn't

00:16:32.800 matter at all, that life doesn't have a purpose. It's just about giving ourselves pleasure all the

00:16:37.000 time, that we don't really have any sort of free will. We're just a bunch of bumbling sacks of cells

00:16:42.900 and neurons walking around like zombies pretending that we're individual people. Your religion informs how you

00:16:48.720 think about everything. There's this ridiculous canard. They say, well, you can't legislate 1.00

00:16:53.320 morality. All legislation legislates morality. What do you think Obamacare does? What do you think

00:17:00.200 forcing certain people off their health care plans and taking money from them to pay for other people's

00:17:04.700 health care plans if they don't? What do you think that does? Of course that's legislating

00:17:08.480 a moral point. What do you think low taxes are? What do you think raising taxes is? That's a moral

00:17:12.740 point. They say we need to take from the 1% and give it to the 99%. That's a moral statement. What 0.97

00:17:19.260 do you think foreign policy is? You're making moral claims about which people we're going to protect,

00:17:23.280 which people we're not going to protect, what interests we're going to fight for. These are

00:17:27.500 all moral questions. Politics is the affairs of men and men are moral agents. So when we interact

00:17:34.380 with each other, those are moral transactions. Of course, legislation has a moral component. It's just

00:17:38.600 a lie from people who take a very shallow view of religion. And that shallow view of religion is

00:17:43.580 where this anti-Catholicism is coming from. Because by the way, it's not just anti-Catholicism. We're

00:17:48.060 seeing that with the Supreme Court nominees. It's really anti-Christianity. It's really anti-Western

00:17:52.900 religion. And so you've seen it in the media a lot recently. Four priests showed up to a Donald Trump

00:17:58.800 rally. Great moves. Great work, Padres. Really like it. Sometimes there are a couple streams in public

00:18:06.280 Catholic life. There's the one that believes in Catholicism, and then there's the one that's

00:18:11.780 a little more hippy-dippy and gets a little more heterodox in their views. So good job, Padres.

00:18:17.380 I really like you sticking up there. When Amy Barrett was being considered for this seat on

00:18:22.360 the Supreme Court, there were major news stories that said she was in a cult. Is that the Catholic 0.99

00:18:28.080 Church is a cult now, right? Or she was in this little religious group that held each other

00:18:32.540 accountable and, you know, read the Bible and stuff. They said that's a cult because they have

00:18:36.280 a shallow view of religion. Daily Beast writer Michael J. Michelson said that Donald Trump is,

00:18:42.400 quote, carrying out the agenda of a small secretive network of extremely conservative Catholic

00:18:47.880 activists. The secret agenda. The Opus Dei is coming. And he's referring to Leonard Leo, the head of the

00:18:55.200 Federalist Society. And the guy, first of all, what's so incredible is that the Daily Beast writer

00:19:00.820 doesn't know, he doesn't know anything about Catholicism. He said, this guy, Leonard Leo,

00:19:04.600 he's so crazy. He goes to Mass every day. And he, actually, he didn't even say he just goes to Mass. 0.79

00:19:10.200 He says, he says Mass, which isn't true. Priests say Mass. So he just doesn't even, even the very basic

00:19:15.320 thing of what the Mass is, this guy has no idea whatsoever. He's saying that crazy. He goes to Mass.

00:19:21.060 He probably prays too. I heard he even reads his Bible. Right? I mean, he goes on.

00:19:29.860 To be sure, none of this is to repeat the odious claims of anti-Catholicism,

00:19:35.720 of papist conspiracies, and dual loyalty. Of course, though, you know, when you say,

00:19:39.840 it's like when you follow a sentence with but, when you say but, it negates the sentence.

00:19:44.120 Because I don't want to negate, I don't want to repeat any of that anti-Catholic papist conspiracy

00:19:49.900 stuff. But he goes to Mass. Be afraid, you know. CNN's Dean Obidala said that there are these,

00:19:57.460 this cabal of people trying to push Christian Sharia law. And obviously, when it comes to the 0.81

00:20:01.960 Supreme Court, this is anti-Catholicism. They're talking about, and of course, there is the irony,

00:20:06.800 right? Because they're saying that Christianity is so terrible because it's like Islam. And 0.97

00:20:10.760 meanwhile, they're telling us how great Islam is. Where all of this comes from is an interview that

00:20:18.000 Antonin Scalia gave to the New York Magazine a number of years ago. This actually highlights all of it

00:20:22.820 very well. And what it highlights is that people are biblically illiterate in this country. And

00:20:28.500 because you have a whole generation now which has been raised without religion, they, it's just 1.00

00:20:32.840 utterly other to them. They can't engage in religious questions. They don't understand how

00:20:37.140 religion works because they've been raised by postmodern superstition rather than a traditional 0.94

00:20:42.480 religion. In this interview, I'll just read you a fair little chunk of this interview. This girl at the

00:20:48.720 New York Magazine, she asks him about his views on religion. Do you believe in hell? Oh, yeah,

00:20:54.460 I believe in hell. And he's so, Scalia is very charming and funny. And he's so surprised that she

00:21:00.440 is asking these questions. He leans in with a stage whisper and says, you know, I even believe in the

00:21:06.380 devil. And the New York Magazine lady goes, isn't it terribly frightening to believe in the devil?

00:21:11.820 And he, this is the line, the takeaway. You're looking at me as though I'm weird. My God,

00:21:16.580 are you so out of touch with most of America, most of which believes in the devil? I mean,

00:21:21.340 Jesus Christ believed in the devil. It's in the gospels. You travel in circles that are so,

00:21:26.420 so removed from mainstream America that you are appalled that anybody would believe in the devil.

00:21:31.680 Most of mankind has believed in the devil for all of history. Many more intelligent people than you or

00:21:38.400 me have believed in the devil. And that line, when I read that, that really stuck with me. Many more

00:21:43.940 intelligent people than you or me have believed in the devil. At the time, I wasn't even,

00:21:49.360 I probably wouldn't have called myself a Christian. I wouldn't have really thought of myself in a

00:21:54.480 religious sense. But that really stuck with me because obviously that's true. And this really 0.99

00:21:59.140 gets to the heart of what this new anti-Catholicism is. It's a defense of modernity. The reason that this

00:22:05.820 anti-Catholicism is bubbling up is because Catholicism opposes modernity. You know, theoretically,

00:22:13.420 all of our churches should be opposing modernity. But we've seen these stories in recent weeks where

00:22:17.620 churches are getting a little weak-kneed, aren't they? The Episcopalian church, which has been 0.98

00:22:22.880 crumbling for a long time now, they have women priests. They, you know, fly gay pride flags outside 1.00

00:22:29.020 of the church. Now the Episcopalian church in the U.S. wants to give God a different gender.

00:22:36.540 So they're going to, God's gender neutral now. They're trying to neuter God. Good luck, buddy. 1.00

00:22:40.860 If you read the Old Testament, it doesn't go very well when that happens. But so that's fallen away.

00:22:45.980 A lot of sort of mainstream evangelical Protestant churches in America have become left-wing, have

00:22:52.240 become a little social justice-y, have become a little soft, have become very modern. And in part,

00:22:57.940 this makes sense because the Protestant Revolution is what began the modern era. And that followed a

00:23:03.220 certain logical course. The Catholic church ain't modern. It is not. Even though there, we have some 0.97

00:23:08.360 acoustic guitar churches here. It is pretty rock solid and, you know, is defending 2,000-year-old

00:23:14.280 dogma. That is why the left absolutely despises it. The left is a jealous god. Leftism is a jealous

00:23:20.840 god. When Dianne Feinstein looked at Amy Coney Barrow, which is being nominated for the federal court, 1.00

00:23:26.860 and she said, I'm very afraid of this because the dogma lives loudly within you.

00:23:32.120 All of the religious conservatives thought, that's crazy. That's a religious test. You can't do that.

00:23:38.040 Well, you know, blah, blah, blah. What Dianne Feinstein's fear was, wasn't that the Catholic

00:23:43.240 dogma lives loudly within Amy Barrett. It's that leftist modern dogma, therefore, does not live

00:23:49.040 within Amy Barrett. Because if you hold these Catholic views, you're rejecting in no small part

00:23:57.380 modern views, the views that came up in response to the Catholic church, in opposition to the

00:24:05.000 Catholic church. And they don't like that. So you're allowed to be a JFK Catholic. You're allowed

00:24:09.600 to say, oh, I go to church. I like the smells and the bells. You know, I like the kind of silly hats

00:24:14.200 and the clothing and everything. But I would never reject modern orthodoxies. I would never reject, 0.97

00:24:20.220 I don't know, the redefinition of marriage or abortion. I would never reject, those things are,

00:24:25.480 those are the modern sacraments. But the minute that you come out and you say, no, I actually

00:24:29.780 believe in the dogma, then they hit you. And it's going to come back. I mean, right now we're

00:24:35.460 seeing a huge backlash to modernism. We're seeing it fall apart in many ways because of its illogical

00:24:41.300 ends, because of the craziness of choosing your own gender. Just a few years ago, I'm old enough to 0.99

00:24:45.900 remember there were only two genders. Now there are 56 and they're multiplying. A few years ago, it was 0.99

00:24:51.040 lesbian, gay and bisexual. Now it's LGBTQ, P, L, M, N, O, P, L, W, X, Y, Z. And it goes on and on and 1.00

00:24:58.160 on and it gets crazy. There is a reaction that's going on to this. And you're going to see a lot

00:25:03.940 of the same themes of anti-Catholicism that are coming back. You know, Hilaire Belloc, the great

00:25:08.940 French, English, Catholic writer, he said that to reject the faith, the Catholic faith, is to write

00:25:15.720 yourself down forever as suburban. It's a very elitist, sort of snobbish statement. But there is

00:25:23.840 something to it. The analogy could be in political conservatism as well. There is this kind of rock

00:25:29.660 ribbed bedrock thing that hasn't been brought off onto the rails of modernity too much. And that's

00:25:35.100 what the left is reacting to. And that's what some people on the right are reacting to as well,

00:25:38.960 unfortunately. People like Tommy Lauren. I've been very mean to Tommy Lauren recently, and I'm going to

00:25:44.100 have to be a little bit mean in my last few minutes of this segment today. Without further

00:25:49.220 ado, I feel so bad hitting on Tommy. Well, I wouldn't feel bad hitting on Tommy when I was

00:25:54.040 single. But I feel bad attacking Tommy because she's on the right. I think to hit rightward

00:25:58.960 is basically grave mortal sin. But sometimes you've got to do it. Here is Tommy Lauren doubling

00:26:03.440 down on her pro-abortion fanaticism on Fox News. I think that it's important to clarify my

00:26:09.360 statements there because first and foremost, I believe that Judge Kavanaugh is a constitutional

00:26:14.080 conservative, not a religious judicial activist, which is exactly what we want. My problem is

00:26:20.260 with some of my fellow conservatives who have put it out there that we are, quote, coming

00:26:25.020 for Roe v. Wade. That is a mistake because we are putting it out there and implying that

00:26:30.760 we are sending a justice to the bench to carry out religious judicial activism, which is a mistake

00:26:38.380 and is unconstitutional. And if we as conservatives are going to imply that, if that's going to be our

00:26:43.340 messaging, we might as well spit on the Constitution. That is not what we stand for. If we are not going

00:26:48.540 to uphold the Constitution on its merit, who will? That is up to us to do. So that my real problem here,

00:26:55.560 regardless of my views on abortion, pro-life, pro-choice, is the messaging of our Supreme Court

00:27:01.340 justice and how he will handle Roe v. Wade if it comes to that point. She just doesn't know anything.

00:27:08.520 She just doesn't know. She is saying words which we recognize. So we are mistaking that for an opinion.

00:27:16.500 But that isn't, it's just words mashed together conveying nothing. To take her main point, I'm going to,

00:27:23.300 you know, I actually invited Tommy on the show to see if she wanted it so that I could correct some

00:27:28.620 things. But she responded with something of a firm no. So I don't know, maybe if people on Twitter

00:27:35.580 want to try to get her to come on the show, that might be nice. Because really, what she's saying

00:27:39.700 now can't go without a response. It's so wrong and stupid that it needs to be responded to because 1.00

00:27:47.040 she's got these millions and millions of viewers on Fox News where she's regularly spouting this 1.00

00:27:51.320 nonsense. So it does demand a response. I fear, while she's spouting things like this, I fear that

00:27:57.860 she's going to end up just becoming one of these ex-Republican lefties like are on every other 1.00

00:28:02.620 news channel. You know, the Steve Schmidt types and Anna Navarros and David Frum and whatever. You

00:28:08.280 know, they go on and they bash the Republican Party. I fear that because what she's saying doesn't make

00:28:13.580 any sense. The religious and judicial activism. What is the judicial activism? The question is on Roe

00:28:20.280 versus Wade and cases that immediately preceded it and cases that followed from it. Is Roe v. Wade

00:28:28.060 decided constitutionally? Is there a constitutional right to an abortion? Is there more broadly a

00:28:33.380 constitutional right, a general right to privacy? What do you think, Tommy Lauren? Is there? No. The

00:28:39.560 answer is no. And most lefties will even admit that to you. So if the Constitution does not enshrine a

00:28:44.300 right to abortion, if the framers in Philadelphia didn't think that they were saying, okay, and thank 0.86

00:28:49.540 goodness we fought that bloody revolutionary war against the Brits so we can finally kill our 0.99

00:28:53.260 babies. Hooray! Hip, hip, hooray, General Washington. If that wasn't what the framers were thinking, which 1.00

00:28:58.780 I don't think they were, then that case was unconstitutionally decided. If we want to overturn

00:29:06.060 an obviously anti-constitutional case, that's not judicial activism. That's returning the judiciary

00:29:12.720 to interpreting the law as it says, to interpreting the words of the law by what they mean. That's the

00:29:17.680 opposite of judicial activism. I suppose you could call it activist in the sense that you're actively

00:29:23.060 undoing something that was activistically done. That reminds me of the Chesterton quote. There's

00:29:28.360 a thought that stops thought. That's the thought that ought to be stopped. She uses the phrase

00:29:33.880 religious, though. She attaches that here because she thinks there's no non-religious reason to

00:29:39.240 overturn Roe v. Wade. Regardless of anyone's religious views, we should overturn Roe v. Wade. It's not

00:29:45.080 constitutional. It's anti-constitutional. It rips apart. It spits on the constitution.

00:29:50.800 Then she's hung up on this religious thing. It says when people, because some people do have

00:29:56.120 religious motivations for overturning Roe v. Wade. A million babies die a year in the United States,

00:30:00.240 and that number is down now. I mean, that's a relatively lower number. A million babies die a

00:30:04.800 year in the United States because of that decision. So there are religious motivations. People who don't

00:30:09.900 worship Moloch or something or Baal want to see that stop. But overturning Roe v. Wade,

00:30:15.820 first of all, wouldn't legalize abortion everywhere. There'd be a lot of states that still 0.78

00:30:18.940 preserve abortion laws. It's a constitutional question. And just because there are religious

00:30:23.800 motivations, that doesn't negate the merits of the argument. Plenty of good overturning of cases

00:30:31.500 have been motivated for religious reasons. How about Dred Scott? The Dred Scott decision was

00:30:36.200 motivated for religious reasons, wasn't it? Dred Scott, which said the black people can't be

00:30:40.300 citizens of the United States. They're not entitled to rights, even free blacks. That decision in 1857 0.99

00:30:45.540 was that that was motivated by almost exclusively Christian abolitionists to overturn that.

00:30:50.720 Is that, does that negate it? They say, oh, you have religious motivations. So no, okay,

00:30:54.340 black people should still be barred from citizenship and any protections in the United States. How about 1.00

00:30:59.020 Buck v. Bell? Buck v. Bell is a lesser known among the general population Supreme Court case from 1927.

00:31:05.880 That allowed for the forcible sterilization of the mentally unfit and of criminals. And there was one 0.60

00:31:12.100 dissent. There was a lone dissent on that. And it was the Catholic judge in that case that was the lone

00:31:16.420 dissent. That was motivated. The dissent in that, to overturn that ruling, was motivated in part by some

00:31:23.320 religious views. Does that mean that we should still forcibly sterilize the mentally unfit? I don't think so.

00:31:27.580 How about Plessy v. Ferguson, separate but equal? How about all of the abolition movements in history

00:31:32.400 and the movements for liberty have been, in large part, motivated by Christian feeling? Does that

00:31:37.700 mean we should get rid of them? I don't think so. I don't think so at all. It's a bias, I think,

00:31:43.560 of coastal Republican types, the ones who want to be cool, the socially liberal but fiscally

00:31:48.880 conservative. You know, that's like, that's the only way that you can get along, go along to get along

00:31:53.000 now. But it's crazy because politics is downstream of culture. And to go on television and try to spout

00:31:59.120 this stuff is so, I don't blame her for being ignorant. A lot of people are ignorant. What I 1.00

00:32:04.000 blame her for is not having the curiosity to even look into this, to crack the spine of a book, 0.64

00:32:09.500 the humility to maybe not shout this ignorance on national television. That's the trouble here.

00:32:14.760 I wasn't always pro-life. I wasn't, I didn't always realize how awful abortion is. In fact,

00:32:19.520 I remember vividly, I had a conversation while I was in college. I was doing a summer fellowship

00:32:24.220 with some bioethicists. And I had a conversation with a female bioethicist at lunch. I said,

00:32:30.120 oh, I think abortion, I don't think it's that big a deal. People are so worried about it. I don't

00:32:33.040 know. And she, she said, well, why is that, Michael? I, I repeated all of the freakonomics

00:32:39.060 arguments. Oh, you know, which are largely bogus anyway. It lowers crime and it's this and they're

00:32:44.820 not morally significant, blah, blah, blah. And she said, okay, so which, which of those arguments

00:32:49.220 doesn't also apply to kill ethnic minorities in the inner cities, young, young male ethnic minorities,

00:32:54.720 because they commit a crime, you know, it's a, they're disproportionately on welfare. Shouldn't

00:32:59.220 we just kill them? And I thought, oh, yikes. Okay. And then I like cracked the spine of a book. I 1.00

00:33:03.820 thought about this for more than five seconds and I realized the moral gravity of it. She hasn't done

00:33:07.940 that. And so if it's fine, she doesn't have to, I'm not going to make Tommy Lauren read, but if she's

00:33:13.380 other than my book, I recommend she does read my book because that, that is a good starter,

00:33:17.760 you know, on the path of political philosophy. But, but if she's not going to do that, she,

00:33:23.160 she really should stop spouting this ignorance. Nobody's trying to shut her up. We're trying to 0.83

00:33:26.900 educate her and, and stop the spread of, of such nonsense. Really frustrating. But I only, I only

00:33:33.740 attack because I love, because I want, I want the people who go on Fox News to be better and stop

00:33:38.840 spouting such nonsense. I attack CNN because I don't love. And there's this great clip. You got to see,

00:33:46.000 do we have time before we go? We have maybe a little bit of time before we go. You've got to

00:33:49.940 see this clip. A pal of mine who has to remain anonymous because his career will get ruined.

00:33:53.740 He was watching this live on CNN and they were translating. CNN was talking to the relatives of,

00:33:59.540 you know, illegal aliens who came over and the kids were detained or whatever. And they were asked,

00:34:05.140 what, how are the kids doing? What's going on with the kids? And here is what CNN played.

00:34:09.380 He says he wants me to be with him, she says, and praise to God to make the day shorter so we can

00:34:18.040 be together. And I don't know how many of you speak Spanish out there. My Spanish isn't great. I

00:34:22.640 mostly have Italian, a little touch of French, but I think what I heard is the woman said,

00:34:28.240 dice que esta muy bien, which roughly translates to, yeah, he says he's doing very well.

00:34:34.120 But what did CNN, can we play that clip again? What did CNN say? She said,

00:34:39.840 He says he wants me to be with him, she says, and praise to God to make the day shorter so we can be

00:34:46.160 together. Come again? It's like in those, you know, in those movies, like with the bad dubbings,

00:34:53.440 it'll be a Japanese movie, you know, and they'll say like, you see the mouth moving like,

00:34:56.580 and then they'll, they'll dub it over and it'll just say like, yes. You know, he said, wait,

00:35:03.100 it sounds like he said more than that, did he? This is the opposite here. He says that he's

00:35:09.380 doing terribly and Trump's a criminal and hashtag resist and Brett Kavanaugh is a Catholic and so 0.87

00:35:14.660 he shouldn't be on the court. What? Are you sure about that? Unbelievable stuff. And somehow 0.91

00:35:20.560 nobody caught this. I think it's because nobody watches CNN. So it's like one conservative every

00:35:25.920 day, like one conservative in the country has to self-flagellate and watch CNN to pull all the 1.00

00:35:31.260 stupid clips. So I guess today that's me. Now maybe other people will play it too. It's really 1.00

00:35:36.660 egregious. But that is how dishonest these people are. I mean, that is how, that when you turn on

00:35:41.800 CNN, which only exists because of airports, because they made a deal with the devil and with airports

00:35:46.900 sometime in the 1990s. So CNN is played there all the time. They are not reporting news. They are a

00:35:54.980 fiction company making a narrative. There is somebody who is writing the script to this and

00:35:59.420 there was like the background. It's like, okay, well, what? There's no way to translate that

00:36:05.360 cockamamie language. How are we, how are we ever going to find that? It's like, okay, well, I think

00:36:10.400 it sounds a little bit like Donald Trump is a monster and I hate him and he should, and Hillary 0.98

00:36:14.260 should have been elected. Hashtag me too. So just wanted to call that to your attention. Anytime you're 0.99

00:36:20.000 tempted to think that we should watch or listen to CNN, don't do it. I've got to say goodbye to

00:36:24.720 Facebook and YouTube. We've got a great This Day in History coming up today and it really ties back

00:36:29.460 into our theme of federalism. For only $9.99.9999 cents per month, you can get a subscription to

00:36:39.040 The Daily Wire. You've got to go over from Facebook and YouTube. You'll get me. You get the Andrew

00:36:41.980 Clavin show. You get the Ben Shapiro show. You get to ask questions in the mailbag. That's coming up.

00:36:45.420 Get your mailbag questions in for tomorrow because it is coming up. I'm going to start answering those

00:36:49.020 questions right after this show today and you'll be able to ask questions in conversation. None of that

00:36:54.100 matters. I'm certain that grammar was completely wrong, but the leftist tears are really good

00:37:09.920 these days. That really popish, papist variety. They catch a whiff of that potpourri and they just 0.97

00:37:16.260 start pouring out all their tears. Go to dailywire.com. We'll be right back with This Day in History.

00:37:24.100 We're back to federalism. We're back because on This Day in History, in 1804, the federalist

00:37:36.940 Alexander Hamilton was killed in a duel by Aaron Burr. What do we take from this? This is such an

00:37:43.300 American story, by the way. Alexander Hamilton is so good. I know when people think of Alexander

00:37:49.180 Hamilton now, they think of like a millennial hip-hop star because that's just, that's the

00:37:54.140 cultural representation now. But he was unbelievable. He was so, so good. He was born on a Caribbean

00:37:59.100 island of Nevis in either 1755 or 1757. We don't know because he was this orphan kid from this

00:38:07.080 Caribbean island. He makes it to the mainland of America in 1773. He joins the Continental Army

00:38:12.920 almost immediately and he rises up quickly. I mean, this is a kid, you know, an orphan from a

00:38:20.500 Caribbean island and he rises up. He becomes aide-de-camp to President Washington, then General

00:38:26.660 Washington. So he's with them at Valley Forge. He's all over. Then after the Revolutionary War,

00:38:31.660 he becomes a delegate to the Constitutional Convention and crafts our Constitution. He writes

00:38:35.940 the Federalist Papers. He crafts our idea of what the country should be. And at all times,

00:38:40.380 all these, like whenever kind of crazy radical factions come up, he swoops in and just makes

00:38:45.480 it all better. He then is appointed First Secretary of the Treasury by President Washington. And he

00:38:50.420 crafts a monetary system for us that basically prevented us, prevented the government from

00:38:55.740 collapsing early on, prevented the economy and the government from collapsing. Really brilliant.

00:39:00.080 In his spare time, he founded the Federalist Party. He founded the Coast Guard and he founded the New

00:39:04.360 York Post. Talk about a wide variety. One of the best tabloids in America, founded by the great

00:39:09.760 Federalist Alexander Hamilton. He also, this poor kid from the Caribbean, was educated at King's

00:39:17.120 College, which is what now would be Columbia University. In Aaron Burr, it's really hard to

00:39:23.220 deny the existence of God and providence in history because you get these bizarre coincidences,

00:39:28.240 bizarre parallel stories. Aaron Burr, born around the same time, 1756, so either a year after or a year

00:39:35.560 before Alexander Hamilton, he has like the opposite life story. He's born into wealth. He's born into

00:39:43.020 privilege. He's, you know, he just grows up as a rich kid in New Jersey. He attends what is now

00:39:48.240 Princeton, then called the College of New Jersey. And he too joins the Continental Army. Kid comes from

00:39:54.260 nothing, goes to Columbia. Kid comes from everything, goes to Princeton. They join the Continental Army.

00:39:59.800 After that though, he didn't distinguish himself in the way that Alexander Hamilton did.

00:40:03.240 So he goes back to New York, not New Jersey, but New York, and is elected to the New York State

00:40:08.920 Assembly. And this is how I know that Aaron Burr is a monster and a sociopath. Because with few 0.99

00:40:15.100 exceptions, people that go to the New York State Assembly are just totally corrupt. There are a few

00:40:20.300 exceptions. I actually have a pal who's in the New York State Assembly. He's one of the most honorable

00:40:24.040 people I've ever met in politics, Kevin Byrne. But everyone else up there is just a devil. You know, 0.97

00:40:29.320 I think by the time the indictments finally end in the New York State Assembly, the New York State

00:40:34.300 Senate, Kevin is going to be the only one left up there. He's the only one with any dignity.

00:40:38.260 It's really, right now you've got one of the heads of the New York State Assembly is like throwing his

00:40:44.240 son under the bus and an indictment and an investigation. Just the most corrupt place in the

00:40:49.080 country. So that's where Aaron Burr goes. He's then elected state attorney. And then their lives

00:40:54.860 intersect when Aaron Burr beats Hamilton's father-in-law for a U.S. Senate seat. So now

00:41:00.860 you've got Aaron Burr in the U.S. Senate. You've got Alexander Hamilton leading the Federalists,

00:41:04.740 crafting our Constitution, and as Secretary of the Treasury. Hamilton early on, he had a good gut

00:41:10.060 and he realized that Burr was a monster. He hated him with a fiery passion. He viewed Burr as a dangerous

00:41:16.600 opportunist and he said, quote, I feel it is a religious duty to oppose his career, which brings

00:41:24.820 us back to religion too. But he just saw this early on. Alexander Hamilton was a busy guy. He was doing

00:41:29.500 a lot of things, starting our monetary system, founding parties, writing the Constitution, winning

00:41:33.560 the Revolutionary War. He was a very busy guy. He took time out of his very busy schedule to try to

00:41:38.740 destroy Aaron Burr's career. Why did he do that? So Adams wins the presidency and after George

00:41:44.720 Washington. And at this point, Aaron Burr, who would run for vice president, he was a running

00:41:49.140 mate of Thomas Jefferson with the Anti-Federalists, he left the Senate and returned to the New York

00:41:54.220 Assembly. Leaves the federal, you know, the U.S. Senate, goes back to the New York State Assembly.

00:41:59.500 Not good. Then Burr, to destroy Hamilton, leaks documents of Hamilton criticizing fellow Federalist

00:42:07.320 John Adams. This may have played a role in John Adams losing re-election, in the Federalists losing

00:42:13.920 and Thomas Jefferson coming to power. Just, you know, talk about the deep state. This is Aaron

00:42:17.920 Burr, the first deep state leak, this damaging document on Alexander Hamilton. Helps him win, 0.99

00:42:22.960 helps Jefferson win the 1800 race. So in those days, it's not, the president and vice president

00:42:29.080 were elected, were not elected as they are today. The guy who got the most electoral votes would be

00:42:33.820 president, the second most would be vice president. Jefferson and Burr each received 73 electoral votes.

00:42:38.700 So they should have decided this pretty technically easily. It goes to the House of Representatives.

00:42:42.640 But the Federalists, in a move to try to screw everything up and get back at Jefferson,

00:42:49.060 threw their support behind Aaron Burr. So you ended up in the situation where the running mate,

00:42:54.100 the VP nominee, could have become the president over Thomas Jefferson. At this point, and Hamilton has

00:43:00.660 no great love for the anti-Federalists led by Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton gets a bunch of

00:43:05.880 Federalists to throw their support behind Jefferson and break the deadlock and prevent Aaron Burr

00:43:10.680 from being president. Why? Because he viewed Aaron Burr as a dangerous demagogue. So at this point,

00:43:15.820 Aaron Burr has a falling out with Jefferson. They don't get along that well. And so he goes back to

00:43:20.660 New York again and seeks the Federalist nomination for the governor of New York. He was an anti-Federalist,

00:43:26.980 now he's a Federalist. And how many of the last governors of New York haven't just gone to prison?

00:43:31.980 I don't know. You've got all these awful governors. You had Spitzer, the sex pervert criminal Spitzer.

00:43:40.320 Cuomo definitely has a ton of skeletons in his closet. You've got Patterson wasn't great. So all 0.92

00:43:46.800 of these guys. He goes there. He wants that job too. It really fits his character. He loses the race 0.98

00:43:52.360 for governor. He loses the nomination race. He loses the independent race for governor. At this point,

00:43:56.060 he's extremely angry. And he and Hamilton duel. They duel because Hamilton has destroyed his entire

00:44:02.000 life's career. Now, at these duels, very often you'd fire it into the air. You'd resolve it

00:44:07.280 peacefully. Hamilton was a fiery guy. He'd been in multiple duels in his life. Nobody ever died. It

00:44:12.060 was very decided among gentlemen. Aaron Burr was having none of it. He aims right in the center of

00:44:17.520 Alexander Hamilton's body, blows him away, shoots him through the stomach, hits his spinal cord, 0.99

00:44:21.900 kills Alexander Hamilton. And there was a public outcry at this point because duels were common. 0.91

00:44:26.980 But killing a man like Alexander Hamilton is a big deal. So what does Aaron Burr do, the little coward? 0.99

00:44:32.240 He goes back and stays as vice president. He's immune from prosecution. He then flees because he 0.98

00:44:39.720 doesn't want to be prosecuted. Go west, young man. And plots with James Wilkinson, who is the commander

00:44:44.780 in chief of the army, to try to take over part of the continent, take over part of the country, and start

00:44:50.320 their own empire. Because Aaron Burr apparently proved Alexander Hamilton right. At this point,

00:44:57.120 then, they try to get help from the British. That's despicable. They then try to take over part of 0.84

00:45:01.400 Spanish America, when it didn't work out to take over other parts of America. And then Burr leads an

00:45:05.900 army charging into New Orleans, into the Louisiana territory. And he's put down, and he flees to Europe.

00:45:11.360 Now, why do I bring all of this up? Well, one, it's an interesting story from early American history.

00:45:16.120 But the real takeaway that you have to remember is always listen to the Federalists. Listen to the

00:45:21.900 Federalist Society. Listen to the Federalists at the founding of the country. They have got it right.

00:45:26.780 Read the Federalists. We were talking about how it's important for people who are conservative to

00:45:30.440 read books. They should read the Federalists. The Federalists are always right. And people who

00:45:36.100 oppose the Federalists are murderous traitors. I guess that's, is that the takeaway? Let's make that 0.96

00:45:40.500 the takeaway. Get your mailbag questions in. We will take on all of them tomorrow. In the meantime,

00:45:44.860 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show. I'll see you then.

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The Michael Knowles Show - July 11, 2018

Ep. 182 - The Deepest Bias In American History

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