The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1824 - BREAKING： Violence Escalates After LDS Church Shooting And Fire

00:00:00.000 While the left ups the political violence from Portland to Chicago,

00:00:03.420 a killer with an unknown motive launches a brutal attack on an LDS church in Michigan

00:00:08.880 as the American social order continues to unravel. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:30.000 Welcome back to the show. Hey, you remember when the FBI said that it had no one present on January

00:00:42.160 6th? Remember that at first the story was the FBI had no one present there. And then they said,

00:00:46.960 okay, there were a few dozen agents and assets, but it was no big deal. Anyway, we just found out

00:00:54.000 that the FBI had 275 agents, plainclothes agents, not wearing their uniforms, plainclothes agents

00:01:00.780 in the crowds on January 6th, the worst day in the history of this or any republic.

00:01:08.920 We'll get into all those facts that just keep coming out as well as the corruption of American

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00:02:35.440 an LDS church, a Mormon church in Michigan, was attacked. A guy, here's what we know. We know a guy

00:02:42.780 drove into the building, then got out, started shooting people. There seems to be some kind of

00:02:48.300 fire accelerant on there. The whole church burns down. Four people are dead. Eight people are

00:02:53.920 injured. What we know about the shooter so far is that he's a 40-year-old guy. He is dead. He was

00:03:02.300 killed in the shootout. And he's an Iraq war veteran. That's all we know. Unlike Jimmy Kimmel,

00:03:09.940 we're not going to jump to any conclusions. And unlike Jimmy Kimmel, we're certainly not going to

00:03:13.000 lie about his motives. That's all we know so far. There's an investigation going on. We'll find out

00:03:18.580 what it is. It could be anti-LDS bigotry. It could be anti-religious prejudice. It could be

00:03:26.780 we don't know. It could be left. We don't know. We just don't know. And we're not going to jump to

00:03:31.060 conclusions. All we know that we should do right now is pray for the victims and investigate. That's

00:03:40.300 all that we know. And these are the two responses. And I say that because some people have had other

00:03:46.640 immediate responses, maybe to jump to conclusions. But also, one response that I find unfortunate is

00:03:53.900 that some people have decided to respond to this attack by pointing out all of the things that they

00:03:59.960 consider erroneous in the Mormon religion. And it's not that you can, obviously, you can disagree with

00:04:05.840 LDS. But that should not be your first response. If that is your first reaction,

00:04:12.020 cool your jets, slow your roll a little bit, is what I would say. For a couple reasons. One,

00:04:19.280 it's unseemly. That's not what one does when one is grieving, when there is a tragedy taking place,

00:04:24.700 especially involving one's countrymen. But two, even if your purpose is to evangelize,

00:04:31.280 convert these people, taking the opportunity of a major tragedy in their community

00:04:37.680 to tell them everything you think is wrong with them, it's also probably just not going to work.

00:04:44.120 That's not civilized behavior. That's not the right thing to do. So anyways, we pray for the

00:04:49.840 community and obviously the specific congregation there in Michigan. And there needs to follow that

00:04:56.620 with much more investigation. And when we know more, we'll talk about it. We do know a little bit

00:05:02.220 more about the motives of some of the other public attacks that have been taking place.

00:05:07.360 For starters, Antifa tried to bomb an ICE facility in Chicago over the weekend.

00:05:13.580 Antifa, the organization we're told does not exist, even though it has a flag, even though it has members,

00:05:18.440 even though it has a network, even though it has chapters, we're told by the left it does not exist.

00:05:22.320 Just means you oppose fascism. This assemblage of communists and anarchists tried to bomb an ICE

00:05:28.100 facility in Chicago. So according to the Department of Homeland Security, arrests are being made.

00:05:34.480 Eleven violent rioters were arrested last night in Chicago outside the ICE detention facility.

00:05:39.200 These are two guns that were taken off rioters in Chicago. Right, I guess the Chicago gun control is

00:05:44.360 not working that well. Right against the fence at our ICE detention facility, this after a shooting

00:05:49.780 from, by all appearances, a left-wing shooter who shot up an ICE facility just days ago.

00:05:55.780 An investigation is underway into what appears to be some sort of explosive device found last night

00:06:00.920 near the ICE Chicago detention facility. No surprise, as I mentioned, just even in my own

00:06:05.400 experience, I was given a talk at the University of Pittsburgh, and two Antifa agents showed up and

00:06:11.440 threw an explosive at the building, seriously injured a female cop. Many, many other such examples.

00:06:16.200 That one just comes to mind because I was there firsthand. And it's not even just in recent years

00:06:21.040 that the anarchist and communist left has done this. This has been going on for over 100 years.

00:06:27.020 People forget because the mainstream news networks won't cover left-wing political violence.

00:06:33.960 Imagine what the history courses teach, but you don't really cover that much anymore in history

00:06:37.780 courses. Way back about 100 years ago, 1919, there was a spate of left-wing anarchist violence

00:06:43.760 throughout the country that carried over into 1920. You saw a number of attacks in the early 20th

00:06:49.640 century. Then again, you saw this in the 1960s and 70s with groups like the Weather Underground,

00:06:55.980 the various Black Power movements, Black Panthers would also set off bombs and murder people, 0.99

00:07:01.320 even target civilians in order to further political goals, which is the definition of terrorism. 0.53

00:07:06.320 The left has done this many, many times. And the most recent example over the last 10 years or so

00:07:11.060 is Antifa. This happens. And so this should be sobering on the one hand, but it also should give us

00:07:17.400 some hope. Because I know a lot of people are looking at the political violence, obviously,

00:07:22.660 with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, but other political violence in recent years and saying,

00:07:28.260 you know, good grief, is our country just totally falling apart? And the answer is yes,

00:07:33.200 but it's happened before. This is not our first experience with this. And so we can look back to

00:07:38.440 history as a blueprint. What happened after the left-wing violence in the 19-teens and 1920s?

00:07:44.660 Well, the way we fixed that was we cracked down on it. We recognized it for the threat to order

00:07:50.060 and law that it is. And we arrested a lot of these people. We passed laws that made it easier to

00:07:56.100 identify and target them. And we got rid of them from the public square. That's what we have to do

00:08:02.160 again. In the 1960s, our reaction was a little less effective, unfortunately. Yes, some of the left-wing

00:08:08.940 radicals were arrested. Yes, they sometimes were sort of prosecuted, but a lot of them ended up 0.73

00:08:14.100 being freed in one way or another. In the case of the Weather Underground, the Weather Underground

00:08:19.920 terrorists ended up getting sinecures as university professors, sometimes at public schools.

00:08:25.220 So that was not a good way to respond to this, unfortunately. And it's no surprise then that

00:08:31.840 those people who, it was Roger Kimball who called them tenured radicals, those people then educated

00:08:36.720 this generation and you're seeing left-wing violence again. So which way, Western man?

00:08:40.800 What are you going to do? The only way to stop this is to crack down on them. Happily, that's what

00:08:46.200 Trump is doing. So Trump has mobilized the federal agents, not just the DOJ to investigate these people,

00:08:51.520 not just to classify as Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization, but also to deploy the National

00:08:57.640 Guard. So President Trump tweeted out that he was going to be deploying the National Guard to

00:09:02.840 Portland, sends the feds out over there. And these are the exact words. At the request of the Secretary

00:09:11.960 of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, I am directing Secretary of War Pete Hegseth to provide all

00:09:16.380 necessary troops to protect war-ravaged Portland and any of our ICE facilities under siege from attack

00:09:22.440 by Antifa and other domestic terrorists. I'm also authorizing full force if necessary. Thank you for

00:09:28.760 your attention to this matter. So this is important. To quote George W. Bush, fool me once, shame on you,

00:09:35.120 fool me twice, hey, hey, hey, the point is you're not going to fool me again. We have seen the attacks

00:09:40.180 on ICE for years now, rhetorically, politically, and also violently, from every level of the left.

00:09:49.260 We've seen it from the goon terrorists on the ground with the bombs all the way up to the elected 1.00

00:09:54.080 officials, all using the same kind of language, that ICE is the Gestapo. That's essentially the

00:10:00.840 only way you can refer to immigration enforcement on MSNBC, that ICE is fascistic, that it needs to 0.99

00:10:06.480 be dismantled, and on the left, that they need to be targeted and killed. So there's nothing more 0.91

00:10:14.000 the left could do to make clear their opposition to law enforcement. And so the federal government has

00:10:18.180 two options. One, let the left-wing anarchists just take over the political order, or two, enforce the 0.54

00:10:23.040 law. Trump has chosen the latter. Unfortunately, the liberal politicians have chosen the former.

00:10:28.220 Congress lady Maxine Dexter has posted, we are hearing reports of increased federal agents in

00:10:37.260 Portland. Let me be clear, Trump wants to tell a story of Portland that does not reflect who we are.

00:10:42.240 By the way, you can see the pictures of Portland in just the last month or two. It looks like a war zone.

00:10:48.180 The Portland we love is strong, compassionate, and unwavering in our commitment to protect

00:10:53.020 our neighbors, except when it involves like the police arresting criminals. The Portland we love

00:10:58.100 did not ask for federal agents and does not want them. We will not be divided. We are standing strong

00:11:04.500 to protect one another. You're not. You're not protecting one another. You're letting criminals

00:11:07.640 roam your streets and maraud and kill. That's why the federal government is coming in. So you're not

00:11:13.160 standing strong to protect one another. But furthermore, I want to get to this one line.

00:11:17.780 The Portland we love did not ask for federal agents and does not want them.

00:11:20.820 Dad, I don't want to. Dad, I don't want my vegetables. I don't want to do my homework.

00:11:27.440 Dad, that's what this woman's saying. I don't want to enforce the law and protect my constituents. 1.00

00:11:32.320 You can't make me. You're not the boss of me. Actually, yes, we are. Yes, Trump is. Yes,

00:11:41.200 the federal government is. Because of this little known provision of our constitutional order, namely

00:11:47.720 the supremacy clause, which says that the federal government exists for a reason. The federal

00:11:54.040 government does not exist merely so that when cities and states want to call them in as a matter

00:12:02.800 of convenience they can. The federal government exists to give a national quality to our government

00:12:10.120 and to intervene when the states and the cities fail. That's what it's for. And this, I think,

00:12:19.420 it might be a corrective even to some people on the right, certainly on the more libertarian right,

00:12:23.460 and on the, I don't know, the selfish right, which says, you know, if Portland wants to fail,

00:12:29.000 that's fine on them. Let them deal with the consequences. If New York and Chicago want to

00:12:33.660 fail, that's fine. Screw them. We don't care about the poor people who are being brutalized by the 0.99

00:12:39.320 left-wing ideologues. Who cares? What has Nashville to do with New York? Well, I'll tell you what it has

00:12:46.760 to do with New York. We're all in one country and we share a nation and we share a federal government.

00:12:53.780 And the cities and the states have no right to let their cities fail because those are American cities.

00:13:01.680 And the people in those cities are American citizens. Well, a lot of them are illegal aliens,

00:13:05.800 but they're Americans. They're within the border of America, many of them at least. And so we have an

00:13:11.180 obligation to them. And that's what Trump is going to do. This is one nation Trumpism, not the nation

00:13:19.060 of haves and have-nots, not the nation of the people who can live in the gated communities and 0.83

00:13:23.040 everyone else who has to deal with the terrible policies. No, we're one nation.

00:13:28.280 And the palace is never safe, can never rest easily while the cottage is unhappy.

00:13:34.940 So Trump is going to go in and restore order. We have to restore order.

00:13:38.560 There's this magical thinking that you get on the left and sometimes on the libertarian right,

00:13:42.780 which says that anytime the government actually does something, it can only make things worse.

00:13:47.420 In other words, to say the government does not exist for any reason.

00:13:49.760 This is contrary to the Christian idea of government, which is that the government is

00:13:52.820 put here for our good, that the civil authority is anointed by God and does not bear the sword

00:13:57.300 in vain. That's the Christian and classical understanding of government. The modern liberal 0.97

00:14:01.360 libertarian understanding of government is that it's an unhappy accident that any government

00:14:05.280 exists at all, and we need to do everything we can to abolish it. And then the magical hand

00:14:09.020 of the free market will spontaneously restore order. And that just doesn't really happen.

00:14:13.060 And the left capitalizes on the right's belief in that utopian ideology, because the left gets

00:14:21.700 into power and wields it for their own ill-begotten ideas. And the right gets into power and then does

00:14:31.680 nothing because they feel that it's somehow principled to let America decay. And so then the left advances

00:14:38.060 and the right remains stagnant and constantly on the defensive when we can even muster the courage to

00:14:42.380 defend ourselves. No more. That's not going to work. You know, the alternative to that is what

00:14:48.940 Giuliani did in New York, which is broken windows policing, the recognition that when you let the

00:14:53.800 little things decay, a lot more decay and violence is going to follow it. We don't want order in

00:15:00.680 Portland. Too bad. You're going to get it. You're going to get it. Sorry. Take care of your own city.

00:15:06.040 If you don't, we're going to take care of it for you. Now, speaking of political violence, one of the

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00:17:01.200 stores in select states. You remember what we were told about January 6th, that it was an

00:17:10.660 insurrection, the worst attack ever on our sacred democracy. Ironically, January 6th was not even

00:17:18.420 the worst attack on our democracy of that year. That would, of course, go to BLM, which burned

00:17:24.520 federal buildings and killed dozens of people, torched cities across the country.

00:17:29.300 What happened on January 6th is a little bit confusing because there were some people who

00:17:34.020 were creating a little bit of chaos. There were other people who were being allowed into the U.S.

00:17:39.780 Capitol by the Capitol Police. There were other people like Nancy Pelosi who said that it was her fault

00:17:45.080 that she did not call in law enforcement assets to protect the Capitol. That it was her,

00:17:51.120 she took responsibility in a documentary made by her daughter. And then there was the FBI,

00:17:57.200 which said that it had nothing to do with January 6th. Then we found out some years later, okay,

00:18:03.300 well, the FBI had a few dozen people there. Some assets, but even the assets who were there,

00:18:09.220 they were just there of their own volition. They just coincidentally happened to be at the Capitol.

00:18:12.940 That's what we were told. And now we find out, the FBI acknowledges, that it had some more people,

00:18:19.680 not just a few more people, 275 plainclothes agents in the crowds on January 6th.

00:18:28.760 We found that out. What are we at? We're almost five years now after we were starting to ask about

00:18:35.640 FBI involvement. This is thanks to reporting from The Blaze. Almost five years later, we're finally

00:18:41.520 learning that the story we were told from the FBI was false. Now the FBI maintains the plainclothes

00:18:47.240 agents went in just to keep the peace. They didn't instigate any trouble. Even when you saw these very

00:18:52.840 suspicious videos of people, multiple people who were not arrested, who were not imprisoned for their

00:19:01.200 actions on January 6th, urging people to go into the Capitol. Multiple people, different ages.

00:19:09.640 Ray Epps was a famous case of this. Go in, you got to go into the Capitol. And people would respond to him

00:19:13.940 and say, no, no, no, we're not going to do that. You're a Fed, Fed, Fed. And then mysteriously,

00:19:19.060 they arrest, you know, Midwestern grannies for taking selfies in the rotunda. They throw them 0.99

00:19:24.320 in solitary. But these guys who incited mobs to go into the Capitol on January, they get off without

00:19:30.720 being arrested, without being harassed at all. Very, very strange. Now, at least though, the FBI is

00:19:35.620 saying, okay, we had hundreds of people there blending in, but they weren't doing anything nefarious.

00:19:41.520 And the problem is, that could be true. But the fact that the FBI has now lied to us for almost

00:19:48.740 five years means we have no reason to believe that that's true. We have a real credibility problem

00:19:54.940 with federal agencies. It's not that all of a sudden I became an expert on vaccines. That's not

00:20:04.140 why I'm skeptical of some vaccines now. It's not because I got some degree in epidemiology.

00:20:08.940 It's because the public health officials, who I was told to trust, lied to me specifically about

00:20:15.580 the COVID vaccine. And so as a result, I can no longer trust them, at least on the topic of vaccines.

00:20:22.360 That's why people have stopped trusting our federal institutions. It's not their fault.

00:20:28.440 The epistemological crisis, using a lot of fancy E words, epidemiological, epistemological,

00:20:33.820 but on the crisis of how do we even know things at all, it's really not the fault of the rubes and

00:20:39.600 the hoi polloi and all of us out here who don't have fancy degrees. It's the fault of the experts who

00:20:44.020 lied to us. When we don't have a ton of faith in our federal bureaucrats, that's not our fault.

00:20:50.100 Blame the FBI, which lied to us for almost five years. Which is why, which is why it is so important

00:20:58.880 to hold corrupt FBI officials accountable. And this brings us to one of the biggest stories that

00:21:06.820 the libs are yapping about today, the indictment of James Comey, James Comey, the former FBI director.

00:21:11.820 We are told that the indictment of James Comey, which just happened days ago, represents a collapse and

00:21:20.900 a decay of our federal government. Au contraire, Mayfair, au contraire. It's the opposite.

00:21:26.420 The problem we have right now is we don't have faith in our federal agencies. The reason is they

00:21:32.900 lied to us, including and especially the FBI. We want to get back to a place where we can have trust

00:21:38.880 in our federal agencies, in our federal government. We, in fact, have to get back to that place

00:21:43.580 if we're to have a functioning political order. There's a step in the middle. There's an intermediate

00:21:49.980 step. The intermediate step is we have to hold to account the corrupt people who squandered the agency's

00:21:56.840 credibility, which is why the indictment of James Comey is not merely just not the greatest upset in our

00:22:06.820 federal government. It's not merely that it's just not that bad. It's that it is positively good for the purpose

00:22:13.400 of restoring credibility to the agencies. Why is Comey indicted? Comey's indicted because, allegedly, he lied.

00:22:23.040 Comey gave false statements, allegedly, this is what he's charged with, and obstruction of a congressional

00:22:29.360 proceeding. He could face up to five years in prison if convicted. The response of the establishment media

00:22:37.140 to this indictment is the most hilarious thing I've seen out of the media in at least several days. We'll get to that

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00:23:58.020 Comey is indicted for giving false statements and obstruction of a congressional proceeding.

00:24:03.540 This goes back to an alleged false statement he made to the Senate Judiciary Committee

00:24:07.260 five years ago, almost exactly five years ago, September 30th, 2020. And he was asked the same

00:24:14.520 question years earlier, also under oath. How is the Wall Street Journal covering this? Wall Street

00:24:17.960 Journal says, Justice Department officials are racing to obtain criminal charges this week against

00:24:25.180 former FBI Director James Comey, escalating President Trump's unprecedented efforts to prosecute

00:24:32.300 his political foes. Oh, really? President Trump's unprecedented efforts to prosecute his political

00:24:40.180 foes. I actually guess technically that's true. The efforts are unprecedented when they come from

00:24:49.260 Donald Trump. Donald Trump has never prosecuted his political foes before. But if you're saying that

00:24:56.020 prosecuting one's political foes is unprecedented, I would encourage the Wall Street Journal to do a

00:25:02.220 cursory investigation of the entire last four years from the Democrats. Do you recall that people like

00:25:09.920 Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis and Mark Meadows and John Eastman and many, many people who worked for

00:25:23.160 Donald Trump were indicted by the Democrats, by Joe Biden? And oh, and who? Oh, right. Trump was also

00:25:34.040 prosecuted four times over and had the FBI sicced on his home, raided his home at Mar-a-Lago by Joe Biden.

00:25:46.600 In that case, by the way, it was not even just a president prosecuting his predecessor, which was

00:25:53.380 unprecedented. It was also the president prosecuting his chief political rival because President Trump's

00:26:01.020 nomination in 2024 was essentially a fait accompli. Joe Biden knew that. Joe Biden wanted to run for a

00:26:08.260 second term. And so he decided he was going to wield the government to prosecute his chief and really

00:26:13.520 only rival. Unprecedented. I generally like the Wall Street Journal. I think they got a read. They

00:26:23.680 must have missed the last four years, didn't they? What about CNN? CNN headline can't make it up why

00:26:30.160 the Comey indictment is different from the Biden DOJ's indictment of Trump. So at least CNN, unlike the

00:26:37.140 Journal, apparently the CNN recognizes, OK, well, we look pretty bad because Democrats just spent the last

00:26:42.560 four years prosecuting all of the Republicans, including Trump. So we can't really say it's

00:26:48.220 unprecedented. OK, we're just going to say this is different. How's it different? This is what CNN

00:26:52.820 writes. Whatever one thinks of the decisions to indict a then former president. Pause. And chief

00:27:00.500 political rival. Don't forget that part. Whatever one thinks of the decision to indict a then former

00:27:06.180 president. This is a major escalation in Trump's ongoing politicization of the justice system and broader

00:27:11.800 weaponization of government. Said Contra, no, it's not. What are you talking about? Look, whatever you

00:27:17.740 think about when Joe Biden did a much worse version of what Trump is doing, this is unprecedented. No,

00:27:25.560 it's not. That's called a non sequitur. What are you talking about? What Trump is doing is different in

00:27:33.520 two fronts. I'll tell you how, in my view, it's different. Because what Trump is doing is justified and

00:27:40.380 what the Democrats did was not justified. Now, I know that some reasonable minds may vary on that.

00:27:46.100 People might let a little partisanship creep in and they'll say, well, no, no, no. What the

00:27:49.880 Democrats did was justified and what the Republicans are doing is unjustified. Again, I think that's

00:27:54.000 wrong. I would be happy to have that argument. But let's just put that aside for a second.

00:27:58.500 What the Democrats did was throw spaghetti at the wall to try to imprison the former president and

00:28:08.220 chief leader of the opposition and virtually everyone around him on anything. What Trump is

00:28:16.280 doing is holding one man accountable, one particularly corrupt man accountable for one thing that he

00:28:23.820 allegedly did, one or two things that he allegedly did. What Trump is doing is restrained. And by the

00:28:29.620 way, that man is not the chief political rival. He was an apparatchik of the government and a man who

00:28:34.900 politicized not only a federal agency, but law enforcement in particular, which means it's

00:28:39.200 particularly egregious. This is after Barack Obama weaponized his federal agencies when he turned the IRS

00:28:44.940 into a machine to target right-wing groups to try to give himself an advantage in the election.

00:28:50.840 We could go on and on and on relitigating all this. It's the Democrats who started it. It's

00:28:56.040 the Democrats who escalated it. President Trump's indictment of Comey is, if anything, a de-escalation.

00:29:02.400 If Trump indicted Obama and Biden, even that would not be an escalation. It would be matching what

00:29:08.640 the Democrats did to him. But in this case, merely indicting an allegedly corrupt and lying FBI

00:29:16.160 director is actually a de-escalation. The fact that that's the case shows you just how much the

00:29:24.440 Democrats perverted the government. Here is Stephen Miller on what this all means.

00:29:31.100 It truly is one of the most heinous things that has ever happened in the history of our country,

00:29:39.000 what James Comey did to our democracy.

00:29:41.220 I can't think of anybody in modern history who has done more to sabotage and attack our

00:29:47.940 constitutional republic than James Comey. Beginning with the Russia hoax in 2016, as you said,

00:29:56.660 the dirty dossier, James Comey, as the head of the FBI, tried to lay a trap to remove a duly elected

00:30:06.200 president from office to imprison and incarcerate his political allies and friends and to lead an

00:30:13.860 actual coup against the laws and constitution of the United States. What James Comey did is truly

00:30:22.700 one of the most severe assaults on our freedoms and liberties that has occurred in the whole history

00:30:29.780 of this nation. Well said. Well said, Stephen. He usually says things very well. Very incisive and

00:30:37.420 perspicacious political operator. And he's right. For the Republicans, and there are going to be plenty

00:30:43.720 of Republicans out there who say, I don't know. I don't like this. I don't like this indicting former

00:30:47.660 FBI directors. I don't know. This reads a little too banana republic to me. I don't know about that.

00:30:53.140 First of all, I think that this kind of indictment is a lot more justified than just about anything

00:30:59.980 the Democrats have done in four years. But let's go beyond that. I agree. I don't like indicting

00:31:07.540 former federal officials. I certainly don't like indicting former presidents. I agree that that is

00:31:13.520 banana republic behavior. That's the world we're living in right now. I want to get back to a place

00:31:20.500 where we don't do that, where we generally just don't prosecute our rivals and our predecessors.

00:31:28.380 The Democrats forced us into the world where we do that now. It wasn't the Republicans. It was the

00:31:33.300 Democrats exclusively. Remember, when Trump was elected, he was elected on Lock Her Up, Lock Her Up,

00:31:38.680 Hillary Clinton, who committed a bunch of crimes. He didn't. He didn't. Maybe he should have, but he

00:31:43.620 didn't. The Democrats did this. They brought us here. And now that's the world we live in.

00:31:48.200 And so the question is, how do we get back to the kind of world, the kind of political order where

00:31:54.740 we don't indict our rivals and our predecessors and federal agents, federal officials? Two possibilities.

00:32:03.060 One is you prosecute the people who did wrong. You hold accountable the people who created the

00:32:09.900 problem. And you create a major disincentive for those people and their successors to ever do it

00:32:14.660 again. That's one option. We call that the Trump-Steven Miller option. The other option is

00:32:20.180 what's being advocated by the squishes and the utopians and the people with their heads in the

00:32:26.460 sand. And that solution is, let's just set a better example. Let's just set a better example.

00:32:33.100 Let's just not do anything. Let's just have the grace. Some would call it grace. Some would call it

00:32:38.960 naivete. Let's just have the grace to let the Democrats who perverted our whole system and 0.99

00:32:44.240 brought us to the point of a corrupt third world banana republic. Let's just let them get away with 1.00

00:32:49.420 it if they promise not to do it again. Oh, they're not going to promise not to do it again.

00:32:54.340 Oh, they're actually already promising definitely to do it again. Okay, well, whatever. Let's just

00:32:58.320 be the bigger men. And let's just hope that they don't do it again. And I think that's going to

00:33:05.280 work out for the best. And at the very least, if they put us on the boxcars and ship us out of the

00:33:08.760 country, at the very least, we can say that we were principled. What are those principles? I don't

00:33:13.580 know if that's all that principled. Let me just ask you, I'm being a little bit polemical and

00:33:18.580 hyperbolic, but not by much. Which of those strategies is most likely to get us back to the

00:33:23.620 country in which we do not prosecute our rivals and predecessors? Which of those strategies?

00:33:29.960 Holding the bad guys accountable strategy, showing that we're willing to get tough and wield the

00:33:35.200 government for the purpose of justice and to play the game that the Democrats are playing,

00:33:39.540 but to do so in a way that is moral and just and with the goal of returning to a system where we

00:33:44.920 don't prosecute our rivals and predecessors or just pretending the problem doesn't happen.

00:33:50.060 Just hoping with no evidence that our rivals just change their ways. Which one do you think is

00:33:57.380 going to be more effective? If you agree, as any reasonable person should, that holding the bad

00:34:04.220 guys accountable is the more likely strategy to succeed, then you have to defend the indictment

00:34:09.880 of James Comey. You have to. I don't care how clubbable you are. I don't care how fancy and

00:34:15.340 bougie you are. I don't care how centrist and amiable you are. If you agree that it would be 0.77

00:34:21.020 good to get back to the place where we don't indict our predecessors and rivals, if you want to get back

00:34:26.340 there, and you agree that the most likely way to get back there is not to ignore the problem,

00:34:32.340 but to hold people accountable, then you have to support the indictment of James Comey.

00:34:37.040 And that's going to make you get your precious, pure little hands maybe a little bit dirty in

00:34:42.540 the muck of practical politics. And I know that there are very fancy little boys who don't want

00:34:46.540 to do that. They think politics exists on the pages of some magazine disconnected from practical

00:34:53.460 reality. Well, sorry. That's not where politics is. You're not doing any good by burying your head

00:34:59.200 in the sand and closing your eyes and letting the bad guys get away with perverting our system

00:35:03.760 and destroying our country. You're not doing any good. If you're going to whine about it, just

00:35:07.500 go complain in your own little corner. Let the adults handle the problem. Okay.

00:35:12.840 Now, speaking of the FBI, really, really good news coming out of the FBI, cleaning house.

00:35:19.400 When the left attacks, the correct answer is not silence. It's not retreat. It's not to do less.

00:35:24.260 The answer is to show up everywhere, to make our voices louder than ever, to push out more content,

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00:35:46.900 This is where the fight actually happens, and now is the time to join.

00:35:50.780 My favorite comment on Friday is from J.S. McDuff, who says,

00:35:55.460 Fortnite can't get on the App Store, but anti-ice apps can. Yeah, that's a little weird, isn't it?

00:36:00.960 There are apps that anarchists and communists can use to track the location of ICE agents

00:36:06.760 so that they can go find them, try to dox them, and try to murder them.

00:36:12.140 But you can't get Fortnite on the App Store. That seems like something's going wrong in our standards,

00:36:17.300 wouldn't you say? Okay, back on the FBI. News report, Libs Furious. The FBI has reportedly fired

00:36:27.400 agents who were photographed kneeling during the year of our Floyd 2020 and all of the BLM protests.

00:36:35.900 So there were these FBI agents who some of them are not looking very fit. Some of them are not

00:36:42.080 looking like they're field ready, okay? But that's just an observation, not calling anyone out by name.

00:36:46.800 They're kneeling. They're wearing FBI uniforms. They're taking a knee during the protest movement

00:36:57.240 around George Floyd. Those agents have been fired now. According to reports, some 20 agents were

00:37:04.360 terminated. Previously, the Bureau said that they had reassigned the agents. Since then,

00:37:09.640 they nixed them, got rid of them. And the Associated Press is really upset about this,

00:37:13.480 and they're reporting on it, I suspect, to create a national controversy to reinstate the agents.

00:37:20.360 It is so good that these agents got fired. It is way past due. They did this in 2020.

00:37:27.460 That means this cancer to our FBI has been festering for five years. They just finally

00:37:33.200 were taken care of. That's really bad. Do not be confused. What the liberal media are going to try

00:37:39.320 to tell you, just like they're telling you with the Trump indictments. They're going to try to tell you

00:37:43.580 that this is just about Trump punishing his political adversaries. He's punishing liberal

00:37:49.820 ideologues for their beliefs. Not at all. In the Comey case, Trump is being relatively restrained.

00:37:56.920 And the DOJ is only going after one of the most clearly corrupt and criminal figures from that era.

00:38:04.780 He's being modest. But when it comes to the FBI here, they're not fired because they're liberal.

00:38:10.820 They're fired because they oppose law enforcement. What does it mean to take the knee?

00:38:16.660 What does taking the knee during the George Floyd riots mean?

00:38:21.540 It means solidarity with a criminal who was resisting arrest. It means, quite explicitly,

00:38:29.300 opposition to law enforcement, the officers who are arresting the criminals, who are passing fake

00:38:35.640 money and who are doing drugs and who are resisting arrest. It means a broader kind of disrespect against

00:38:42.960 the country. Colin Kaepernick, you'll recall, kneeling in BLM protest against the American flag

00:38:48.800 and the national anthem. It's anti-American to its core, but it is specifically anti-law enforcement.

00:38:55.680 How can you tolerate FBI agents publicly opposing law enforcement?

00:39:03.660 That would be like bartenders publicly protesting alcohol. You just can't have it. It's not that you

00:39:09.700 don't have a right to protest alcohol, but if you're a bartender who protests alcohol, you're

00:39:15.720 probably going to lose your job. It's not that you don't have a right to protest law enforcement

00:39:20.040 in reasonable ways. I guess you do. You don't have a right to be an FBI agent and

00:39:25.640 protest law enforcement. It's not just that the government has a right to fire you in that case.

00:39:30.620 The government has an obligation to fire you. We give our taxpayer money to Washington, D.C.,

00:39:37.860 in part to hire people to enforce the law. If the government is hiring people who very publicly

00:39:46.160 oppose enforcing the law and oppose law enforcement in principle, then the government is squandering our

00:39:53.060 tax dollars. The government's doing something really, really wrong. They need to correct it, and the way

00:39:57.100 they correct it is by firing these people. Okay, speaking of federal law enforcement, this story,

00:40:01.440 it's one of my favorite stories of the past several weeks.

00:40:06.360 To show you just how deep and wide the illegal immigration problem runs,

00:40:12.620 you got ICE officials going around to Home Depots, arresting illegal aliens, economic migrants who

00:40:19.580 are just trying to get day labor work, fixing houses. You got ICE showing up to restaurants

00:40:26.860 and various work sites and rounding people up. But it's not just those guys. It's not just guys

00:40:32.420 picking grapes, okay? ICE just showed up and arrested the superintendent of, not California,

00:40:41.140 not Texas's, Iowa's largest school district, who is apparently an illegal alien. Here he is.

00:40:51.240 Thank you, Madam President. I stand here this evening before you with immense gratification

00:40:57.260 and certainly a sense of pride and humility. I am incredibly grateful for the vote of confidence

00:41:03.500 that the board has shown. Who is that man? That man is Ian Andre Roberts. Do you know how much

00:41:10.660 money Ian Andre Roberts was making? As superintendent of the Des Moines School District, he was making

00:41:16.320 $306,000 a year. He was an illegal alien. An illegal alien doing the jobs Americans won't. 0.99

00:41:24.280 You know, that's the problem. No ordinary American wants to just trudge away doing these thankless jobs,

00:41:32.060 like being the superintendent of a major school district,

00:41:34.800 for a piddling salary of several hundred thousand dollars per year.

00:41:44.260 The jobs Americans won't do. This guy, he apparently had some real problems. He had

00:41:49.480 gun charges. He could have left with his own volition. He didn't. He gets picked up by ICE.

00:41:56.260 That's illegal immigration. When the libs try to tell you that it's just the poor refugee. First of 1.00

00:42:04.600 all, they say it's refugees. It's generally not refugees. But when they try to tell you, oh, it's 0.74

00:42:08.360 just the poor Guatemalan migrant trying to feed his family, picking grapes, cleaning homes for low pay, 1.00

00:42:15.780 off the books in the shadows. There's a little bit of that. It's actually a problem that the Democrats

00:42:22.720 have encouraged these people to live in the shadows and work effectively as slave or indentured labor.

00:42:28.200 But it's also those guys. And it's not all just peasants from Venezuela. It's also guys from all

00:42:34.200 over the world who are taking advantage of our system and who are being protected by Democrats

00:42:40.040 because it gives them a political advantage. Making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.

00:42:47.340 That's what it is. Now, there's a big problem with schools. And this is actually a bigger problem

00:42:50.660 with schools. Before we go, have you ever heard of Assata Shakur? Assata Shakur. I remember Assata Shakur.

00:43:00.960 Assata Shakur was a left-wing terrorist from the 70s who murdered a cop. And Assata Shakur was also held

00:43:08.360 up as an icon by left-wing radicals. The real hardcore black power, you know, revolutionary types. 0.99

00:43:17.700 Anarchists, anarchists, communists, those types. These days, it's not just those types, though. Well,

00:43:24.240 I guess it is those types. The problem is those types have taken over the major institutions. 0.97

00:43:27.740 Assata Shakur died a few days ago. And the Chicago Teachers Union mourned her death.

00:43:36.520 Didn't even just mourn her death as, you know, she's a fellow human and each man's death diminishes me.

00:43:40.920 And no man is an island. No, no, no. Not the John Donne kind of mourning.

00:43:46.020 Positively grieved her loss and exalted her legacy.

00:43:50.540 Rest in power, says Assata Shakur. First of all, just a quick pause here. I don't mean to digress too

00:43:56.020 much. But when atheists come out and radical left-wing atheists and they say, rest in power,

00:44:02.620 not rest in peace, the English rendition of Requiescat and Pace. It's not rest in peace or the

00:44:07.500 peace of Christ or something. It's rest in power because of your legacy. Even though you're not in

00:44:14.000 power. If you're an atheist, if you're a huge lib, then you believe that that person is turning to

00:44:18.920 worm food, is being consumed in the earth, never to be seen or heard from again. In any case,

00:44:23.900 it says rest in power, rest in peace, Assata Shakur. Sorry, difficult to pronounce some of these names.

00:44:32.020 Today, we honor the life and legacy of a revolutionary fighter, a fierce rider, a revered elder of black

00:44:38.280 liberation, and a leader of freedom whose spirit continues to live in our struggle. Our strength

00:44:43.800 is the teachers union. These are people educating kids in Chicago or not educating kids in Chicago,

00:44:48.320 which explains the test scores. Assata refused to be silenced. After she murdered a cop, no, they

00:44:54.620 forget to include that part, said she taught us that it is our duty to fight for our freedom. It is

00:44:59.460 our duty to win. We must love each other and support each other. We have nothing to lose but our chains.

00:45:03.900 Okay. Assata Shakur was a member of the Black Liberation Army in the 70s, was convicted of the

00:45:09.700 first-degree murder of a New Jersey state trooper, Werner Forster, a name that is noticeably absent

00:45:14.820 from the Chicago Teacher Union obit. Assata Shakur escaped while awaiting sentencing with the help of

00:45:22.360 the Black Liberation Army and the May 19th Communist Organization, fled to Cuba, where she lived among one of

00:45:29.140 the worst enemies of the United States of the 20th century. And the Chicago Teacher Union is

00:45:35.660 mourning her loss and exalting her as a symbol of something we should strive to be.

00:45:44.020 This would be a good example of what I was talking about over the last couple weeks with the new

00:45:49.960 regulations that need to be placed over the marketplace of ideas. First of all, a ninth-grade

00:45:53.700 classroom is not exactly a roiling free marketplace of ideas because the educational endeavor

00:45:59.160 is not primarily one of pure openness. It's actually a coercive endeavor in which you have

00:46:05.560 to teach students something to the exclusion of other things. You give them an exam because there are

00:46:11.640 right answers and wrong answers. And when a student gives the right answer, you reward them with a good

00:46:16.000 grade. When they get the wrong answer, you punish them with a bad grade or maybe detention or suspension

00:46:20.760 or staying back a year. So it's not in its system, it's not a roiling free marketplace of ideas.

00:46:28.160 But furthermore, if the educators are going to promote things that are indefensible, that are

00:46:35.320 contrary to a flourishing society with the healthy exchange of ideas, contrary to education, contrary to

00:46:42.540 education means being brought up well, being morally formed, knowing certain facts that are true.

00:46:48.900 If the Chicago teachers are going to actively undermine that, they need to be fired.

00:46:56.400 If the Chicago Teacher Union is going to actively encourage terrorist violence that is explicitly

00:47:03.920 determined to undermine the American political order, the Chicago Teacher Union needs to be disbanded,

00:47:11.640 needs to be severely punished by the civil society and by the government. This would be a prime example

00:47:18.660 because no one is being served by their continued existence as an organization, least of all the

00:47:24.380 students. And their continued existence as an organization and continued power over education

00:47:30.620 is making the problem much worse. These people are convincing your kids, if you live in Chicago,

00:47:36.500 that it's good to murder cops, that communism is good, and that we should overthrow the government

00:47:42.400 of the United States. You don't want that. That's bad. 0.54

00:47:45.560 We have not only a right, but an obligation to get rid of that. That is actually the most direct

00:47:52.480 way that people in Chicago can defend and expand the healthy marketplace of ideas within the American

00:47:56.600 system. Got to get rid of that. Got to have the courage to say that powerful word, no. Okay,

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