The Michael Knowles Show - October 16, 2025


Ep. 1837 - Did SCOTUS Say Black People Are Disabled？


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In this episode of The Michael Knowles Show, Michael talks about Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Jackson s claim that minorities are "disadvantaged" by the Supreme Court's decision in a case about voting rights for disabled people.

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00:00:00.000 American statesmen have given us some great, inspiring quotations over the years.
00:00:05.960 Abraham Lincoln, government of the people, by the people, for the people,
00:00:11.060 shall not perish from the earth. Thomas Jefferson, we hold these truths to be self-evident,
00:00:17.620 that all men are created equal. And now, Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Jackson,
00:00:24.600 minorities are disabled. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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00:03:06.120 creates controversy sometimes. You know, they invent a right to abortion that was pretty controversial,
00:03:11.220 then they get rid of the so-called right to abortion, license to abortion. Then they redefine
00:03:16.300 marriage sometimes, and they upend campaign finance. Like, you know, the court, sometimes they
00:03:21.260 uphold separate but equal, or they say black people can't be citizens. You know, the Supreme Court has
00:03:25.340 done and said a lot of things over the years. I think this quote might go down in the annals of
00:03:31.960 Supreme Court history, among the most infamous, during oral arguments over redistricting. So this
00:03:40.720 is a case about gerrymandering, about redistricting, specifically in Louisiana, how congressional seats
00:03:47.660 are going to be apportioned. Ketanji Jackson made an audacious claim.
00:03:53.520 I guess I'm thinking of it, of the fact that remedial action, absent discriminatory intent,
00:04:03.540 is really not a new idea in the civil rights laws. And my kind of paradigmatic example of this
00:04:11.940 is something like the ADA. Congress passed the Americans with Disabilities Act against the backdrop
00:04:19.100 of a world that was generally not accessible to people with disabilities. And so it was discriminatory
00:04:26.580 in effect, because these folks were not able to access these buildings. The idea in Section 2 is that
00:04:35.180 we are responding to current-day manifestations of past and present decisions that disadvantage minorities
00:04:44.160 and make it so that they don't have equal access to the voting system, right? They're disabled. In fact, 1.00
00:04:52.180 we use the word disabled in Milligan. We say that's a way in which you see that these processes are not equally open.
00:05:01.800 Am I watching a Ryan Long sketch here or something? Did anyone catch that little slip of the tongue?
00:05:06.960 Yeah. It says, look, and the civil rights law seeks to remedy past injustices on racial grounds.
00:05:14.980 And, you know, we hear this in court decisions, and that's why black people are practically disabled. 1.00
00:05:22.300 Was that? Ryan Long had this sketch where it was woke or racist, and they agree on everything.
00:05:27.020 You know, I just named him. The exalted cyclops of whatever, you know, the Klan or something comes in and says,
00:05:35.840 well, you know, I just think blacks, practically speaking, they're disabled. And then you have the 1.00
00:05:40.500 two-time Harvard graduate black Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Jackson. That's what I'm saying.
00:05:47.240 That we are. We're practically disabled. We're just, wow. Pretty wild claim, huh?
00:05:54.760 So I want an inspirational poster up. It's smiling Ketanji Jackson. From the woman who couldn't 0.82
00:06:01.640 define woman during her confirmation hearings, we bring you the claim that minorities are,
00:06:08.580 for all intents and purposes, disabled. Okay. What's the case about? Let's be as charitable as we can
00:06:15.600 to this read. The case is about Louisiana's congressional map. And based on the census,
00:06:22.700 it includes only one majority black district, despite the fact that Louisiana has a lot of
00:06:30.160 black people, but only one district is majority black. And so the plaintiffs are claiming that
00:06:36.400 Louisiana is unjustly discriminating as black people or something like that. Okay. And this is what
00:06:42.080 Democrats do. Both parties gerrymander. Both parties control redistricting as just part of our electoral
00:06:47.680 system. And then whichever side is in power tries to give themselves an advantage. And then the other
00:06:53.760 side makes arguments, often specious arguments, about how the way that the other party gerrymanders
00:07:00.760 is somehow illegal or somehow unconstitutional. But the way that they themselves gerrymander is totally
00:07:05.000 fine and above board. And it's all just so tedious and ridiculous. The way they're trying to do it here
00:07:09.540 is by saying that redistricting needs to be based on race. There's no argument in our legal system or
00:07:16.400 constitutional system for redistricting primarily based on race. But they're making that argument
00:07:21.400 now because they think that it will redound to the benefit of Democrats, even though black voters and
00:07:26.120 obviously Hispanic voters are moving considerably to the right. As of now, the Democrats still hold them.
00:07:31.420 So they're going to say, all right, race has to be the reason that we redistrict.
00:07:34.900 But that raises some other questions. Why is race the chief criterion for redistricting?
00:07:41.960 Why not religion? What if you hypothetically have a state where you've got a third Catholics, 0.94
00:07:51.400 say, but you only have one or two congressional districts that are majority Catholic or Jewish or
00:07:57.840 Methodist or Muslim or whatever? What if you have the exact same situation pertaining to race,
00:08:03.700 but in this case pertaining to religion? Would there be a Supreme Court case about how this is
00:08:09.940 unjust because it's failing to represent the true identities of the people? Maybe, probably not.
00:08:17.040 I guess if it were advantageous to Democrats, they'd bring it to them. But religion is not
00:08:21.220 advantageous to Democrats, so they probably wouldn't. Okay, what about, I don't know,
00:08:25.440 what about actual disability? Not Ketanji Jackson saying black people are practically disabled,
00:08:29.760 but I'm talking about like actual disability, like you're missing an arm or something.
00:08:34.560 What if a third of the people were physically handicapped in a state, but only one district
00:08:39.660 were majority physically handicapped? Would there be a case about how this is discriminatory
00:08:44.380 and we need to redistrict? How, this could go on forever because we live in a pluralistic system.
00:08:51.080 Don't forget, pluralism primarily does not refer to just lots of different kinds of people living
00:08:56.000 together as we sometimes colloquially use it today. Pluralism refers to holding multiple offices at
00:09:02.960 the same time and in a figurative way, having multiple identities at the same time. I am an
00:09:09.120 American. I'm also a Christian. I'm also a Catholic. I'm also a Italian extraction. I'm also kind of
00:09:17.660 waspy. That's where you get Mayflower cigars from, which is a delicious cigar company. I'm also a New
00:09:22.960 Yorker, which is why I pronounce a handful of words in a way that amuses people. I'm also a
00:09:28.260 ukulele player. I'm also this. I'm also that. I'm also this. What is my chief identity?
00:09:34.680 For the libs, it keeps moving. If it's advantageous to say it's race, they say it's race. And then our
00:09:39.560 entire political order has to be centered around race. If it's advantageous to say it's sexual desire 0.96
00:09:43.800 or sex or not sex, for a while when they were pushing feminism, when that was advantageous, 0.99
00:09:48.640 they said it was sex. Then when they were pushing the LGBTism, emphasis on the transgenderism,
00:09:53.400 then it was the opposite of sex. And then it just keeps changing. But it's totally capricious on their 0.81
00:09:58.680 side. If black people voted Republican, you just wouldn't see this case. And so I guess the question 0.87
00:10:06.700 for us then is, can we come to an answer that's sturdier? And I think we should, which is as a matter
00:10:11.600 of our political identity, it should be that we're Americans. And for the purpose of apportioning
00:10:17.080 representation in various states, it should be the state of Louisiana. And we should stop being so
00:10:21.980 obviously arbitrary and capricious about it. Because it's going to lead us to say really
00:10:28.000 silly things that make us look even more ridiculous than we already do, such as
00:10:31.720 minorities are disabled. That's amazing. Ketanji Jackson, man, the gift that keeps on giving.
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00:12:05.280 Kamala Harris lost, as you know. She lost not just the Electoral College, but she lost the popular vote, 1.00
00:12:11.760 the first time a Democrat had lost the popular vote in 20 years. She did worse probably than Joe 1.00
00:12:19.640 Biden would have done, and Joe Biden was half dead when he was running for re-election. She did really,
00:12:23.980 really badly. Now she says she's the most qualified person ever to run for president. 0.95
00:12:29.200 That is a decent resume, but go ahead.
00:12:37.080 Well, some people have actually said I was the most qualified candidate ever to run for president.
00:12:46.180 I like that some people say, very nice, but go ahead.
00:12:49.620 I'm just speaking of fact. Yeah.
00:12:55.280 Have people said that? Who has said that? Recollections, I think, vary.
00:13:02.920 I don't have that much more to say. It's just a funny clip. I just mostly wanted to play it for
00:13:06.460 your amusement and delight. The one political takeaway from this is the Democrats are still in
00:13:13.100 a great deal of denial. They don't know what to do to help themselves right now. They lost the
00:13:18.560 whole government. They lost the popular vote. Republicans control the presidency and the House
00:13:22.380 and the Senate and the Supreme Court because they previously won the presidency. Democrats are really
00:13:26.820 out. They're on the wrong side of an insane number of issues, issues that are totally clear,
00:13:31.300 70-30 or 80-20. They're in a really, really bad spot, but they don't know how to deal with it.
00:13:37.280 Look at Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom is just the avatar of this. He realizes there's a problem.
00:13:42.640 We've gone way too far left. We've lost a lot of people in the middle, including racial minorities, 1.00
00:13:45.960 including women, including, okay, so I got to be friends with Charlie Kirk. I got to be friends
00:13:49.640 with Steve Bannon, but I can't really do that because then I'm going to lose my base. So I need
00:13:53.600 to implicitly threaten Stephen Miller, and I need to move as far left as I can to beef up my liberal
00:14:02.320 bona fides, and they just don't know what to do. Kamala Harris, I am the most qualified person
00:14:08.920 ever to run for president. Meanwhile, you have Democrats being interviewed saying,
00:14:14.720 oh, I think she'd be a tremendous candidate in 2028. They can't admit that she was bad. 0.99
00:14:20.680 They can't admit that she was a bad candidate because she's a black woman in large part. 1.00
00:14:25.100 She was selected for the vice presidency because she's a black woman. Not my words, 0.99
00:14:29.460 Joe Biden's words. He said, I'm going to pick a black woman. And his three choices were Susan Rice, 1.00
00:14:33.100 who had been the fall man for Benghazi, Karen Bass, who was an actual communist,
00:14:36.820 and Kamala Harris, who was the first person out of the 2016 Democratic primary.
00:14:40.440 But she was still better than the other two, so they picked her. And because of that,
00:14:45.520 they couldn't step over her in 2024 when it was clear Joe Biden was drooling on himself.
00:14:51.460 So they couldn't skip over her because of the race hustling, because of the sexual hustling.
00:14:56.340 So they're stuck with her. And she is the symbol of this ideology. They're just stuck with this
00:15:01.420 ideology. They don't know how to move about it. There is at least one woman who is trying to 1.00
00:15:07.880 supplant Kamala Harris as the presumptive nominee in 2028. And she's got some help from the perennial 0.70
00:15:13.920 candidate, Bernie Sanders. That would be Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who just did a town hall on CNN 1.00
00:15:21.380 and was asked about her future political plans, specifically whether or not she's going to
00:15:26.040 challenge Chuck Schumer, Democrat leader in the Senate, to a primary in New York. Here's her answer.
00:15:33.400 of his leadership. But are you saying that Senator Schumer should not be worried about
00:15:38.040 a primary challenge from you? I mean, no. Let me jump in on this one. This is what we're talking
00:15:45.400 about. This is exactly what we're talking about. This is what we're talking about. You have a country
00:15:48.540 that is falling apart. We are in a house housing crisis, a health care crisis, an education crisis,
00:15:55.320 massive income and wealth inequality, a corrupt campaign finance system. And the media says,
00:15:59.860 are you going to run? Nobody cares. I care now. I don't know. I was slightly cared before.
00:16:08.400 What? First of all, how are you AOC and not prepared for this question?
00:16:13.820 Now I'm beginning to doubt her political skill. I've been very complimentary of AOC's political
00:16:17.880 skill. I'm very impressed by her ability to get attention and to moderate and to move around people.
00:16:22.820 And I actually think she's a pretty talented politician. That was horrible. People have been
00:16:26.600 floating this rumor that she's going to challenge Schumer for years. And her answer is just deer
00:16:31.440 in the headlights. And her eyes are already a rather pronounced physical feature of hers. 0.90
00:16:34.980 Say, hey, so are you going to challenge Chuck Schumer for the Senate? And her answer is like out of a
00:16:40.320 Bugs Bunny cartoon. It's like a triple take. It's just, what? And then you look at Bernie Sanders and
00:16:47.180 his eyes start bugging out of his head. And there's red lights going.
00:16:50.040 It calls so much more attention to a rather simple question. Hey, AOC, you know that thing
00:17:01.840 everyone's been talking about in your political career for like five years? What is the likelihood
00:17:06.500 that that will happen? So it makes you think, all right, she's obviously very seriously considering
00:17:16.580 a Senate challenge to Chuck Schumer. Also, she could go further than that because you'll notice 0.97
00:17:24.320 she's not sitting on stage there with Kirsten Gillibrand. She's not sitting on stage there
00:17:29.380 with Nancy Pelosi. I don't think she's content to remain on Capitol Hill. I think she wants to run
00:17:35.040 for president. She's there with the leading far left presidential candidate for the Democrats for the 0.92
00:17:41.200 last 150 years, Bernie Sanders. And I think she'd be a pretty good candidate. In this moment where
00:17:48.280 the Democrat Party is so far to the left, fully open borders, abolish the police, trans the little 1.00
00:17:55.100 kids, embrace Islamists. We'll get to that in one second because of the Muslim communist running for 1.00
00:17:59.740 mayor of New York. But they've moved so far to the left that AOC in many ways seems like the moderate
00:18:06.080 option now. And so this problem for Newsom, who's tried to position himself both as a Bill Clinton,
00:18:11.580 new Democrat, I'm the moderate, I'm slick, I'm reasonable. And also this kind of radical leftist,
00:18:16.300 doing gay marriages in San Francisco long before it was legalized, quote unquote,
00:18:22.160 that he has a real problem. AOC doesn't have that problem. And I think as of now, I said this on Mark
00:18:28.860 Calprin show the other day, I think she is very possibly the best Democrat nominee for president
00:18:38.220 in 2028. Shapiro can't get it because he's a Jew and the Democrats don't like Jews anymore.
00:18:44.880 Gretchen Whitmer, I just don't think she has what it takes. Pete Buttigieg doesn't have the mojo. He
00:18:49.580 has other issues. LGBT is not popular anymore. So Pete Buttigieg loses his one kind of interesting
00:18:56.400 identity point. And otherwise, he's accomplished nothing in his life. So I don't think he really
00:19:01.060 gets it. Newsom is too schizophrenic. He doesn't know which camp he wants to run in. Kamala's totally
00:19:07.640 done. So you go down the list and Rahm Emanuel, I guess, wants to run for president. He's now
00:19:15.360 considered too moderate. He's also yesterday's news. J.B. Pritzker, not going to happen. So who do you
00:19:21.160 have? At a certain point, you say, well, maybe it's AOC. And maybe what she's doing here is not
00:19:25.240 setting herself up for a Senate run by doing this national tour with a beloved presidential 0.91
00:19:31.000 candidate of the left wing of the Democratic Party. Maybe she's setting herself up for a 1.00
00:19:35.240 presidential tour. Okay. Now turning to New York politics again, Zoran Mamdani, the aforementioned
00:19:42.360 Muslim communist who's running for mayor of New York. He went on Fox News, got to give him credit.
00:19:46.600 That's pretty impressive. There are a lot of right wingers in New York, a lot of people who watch Fox
00:19:50.000 News. So he's going on there to try to shore up the election that is almost certainly already in the bag for
00:19:54.720 him. And he's asked a totally fair question by Martha McCallum. The question is, should Hamas 0.83
00:20:03.180 disarm? There have been a lot of pro-Palestine protests in New York. Zoran Mamdani has weighed
00:20:08.080 in plenty of times on the Israel-Palestine conflict. It's the geopolitical question at the moment.
00:20:15.480 Totally fair question, but we don't get totally anything of an answer.
00:20:21.060 Into one that's affordable for each and every New Yorker. But okay. And I want to get to that.
00:20:26.520 Absolutely. But do you believe that Hamas should lay down their weapons and leave the leadership
00:20:31.580 in Gaza? I believe that any future here in New York City is one that we have to make sure that's 0.98
00:20:37.220 affordable for all. And as it pertains to Israel and Palestine, that we have to ensure that there
00:20:40.900 is peace. And that is the future that we have to fight for. But you won't say that Hamas should lay
00:20:44.880 down their arms and give up leadership in Gaza. I don't really have opinions about the future of 0.93
00:20:48.840 Hamas and Israel beyond the question of justice and safety and the fact that anything has to abide 0.96
00:20:54.180 by international law. And that applies to Hamas. That applies to the Israeli military. It applies
00:20:58.020 to anyone you could ask me about. What? Look, man, as you know, I'm not hyper-partisan or ideological
00:21:07.980 about the Israel-Palestine conflict. I have the least popular view of the whole thing,
00:21:11.680 which is I am broadly supportive of Israel, but I recognize the legitimate rights of Palestinians.
00:21:18.480 And I have a personal interest in the Christian sites and the Holy Land. And I recognize it's a
00:21:23.420 complex issue. So I think I have a little credibility to weigh in here. If you can't say
00:21:29.740 that Hamas should disarm, you're pro-Hamas. You're pro-Hamas. Simple as. And we all knew this guy was 0.85
00:21:37.500 pro-Hamas. Also, Zoran Mamdani's position on the Israel-Palestine conflict is not my position.
00:21:44.500 My position is it's not the most important issue to me. And I recognize it's complex. And here's
00:21:48.320 where I weigh in. And here's where I think. Zoran Mamdani talks about Israel-Palestine because his
00:21:52.880 constituency talks about Israel-Palestine. Zoran Mamdani talks not just about the Islamic-Jewish
00:21:59.580 conflict. He talks about queer liberation in all of this. The intersectional quality of radical
00:22:06.440 white leftists donning keffias and talking about free, free Palestine. Greta Thunberg wearing the
00:22:13.680 Palestine headscarf. The whole thing is very much in his wheelhouse. But now all of a sudden, 1.00
00:22:20.720 he clams up. Now he's reticent little Zoran. Hey, you think Hamas should disarm? Qatar thinks 0.86
00:22:29.960 Hamas should disarm. The Arab League thinks Hamas should disarm. Qatar, which harbors Hamas,
00:22:35.660 thinks Hamas should disarm. But Zoran Mamdani doesn't? The would-be mayor of New York City?
00:22:40.740 Whoa, that's pretty crazy. That's pretty crazy, man. What? Well, no, my only interest in the
00:22:51.000 conflict is justice and peace. Yeah, okay, fair enough. That's my interest in it too. So do you
00:22:57.600 support the obvious predicate for any kind of peace? Yeah, I'm not going to say that. I don't
00:23:05.640 have no, yo. That is, that guy is a full-blown leftist. I know some people are trying to say
00:23:13.060 he's like a secret Wahhabi or something. That he's some radical Muslim terrorist who's just 1.00
00:23:18.620 pretending to be left-wing. I don't think that's true. I think he is a dyed-in-the-wool
00:23:22.620 leftist who, he does happen to be Muslim. I would be surprised if he practices his religion at all. 0.85
00:23:29.020 In some ways, he'd be easier to deal with if he were a serious Muslim. 1.00
00:23:32.120 If he clearly believed in God and at least had some conception of God and religion. I don't
00:23:36.580 really think it's that. I think he's, I think he's closer to Greta Thunberg than Osama bin Laden.
00:23:41.920 And in many ways, that creates more of a political problem for New York. Spooky stuff, man. You can't,
00:23:48.120 I'm not saying you need to be waving an Israeli flag, right? I'm not saying you need to like 1.00
00:23:51.560 Benjamin Netanyahu or I don't know. I'm not saying you have to really be pro-Israel at all.
00:23:57.540 The genocidal Islamist terrorists don't need to disarm after the Arab League tells them to. 0.99
00:24:08.280 And you want to be mayor of New York City, which was hit by one of the most infamous
00:24:12.180 Islamic terror attacks in our whole 1400 year struggle against that political force.
00:24:18.840 Yo, buddy, crazy. And he's probably going to be mayor is the even crazier part.
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00:25:53.080 Politico breaks a juicy little story that young Republicans, which is a, there's a group called
00:26:00.760 the young, and I'm not just talking about young people who vote Republican. I'm talking about the
00:26:04.160 there's the college Republicans. There's the Republican National Committee. There's a group
00:26:07.500 called the young Republicans. And it's what it sounds like. It's young Republicans, young
00:26:12.100 professionals, and operatives, and activists, and eccentric kind of people. They're in New York,
00:26:20.300 Washington, and elsewhere. They're all in some group chat. And they're sending edgy, spicy memes.
00:26:26.340 And they're making jokes about Hitler. And they're doing, it's all like really edgy, spicy stuff.
00:26:31.380 And reportedly, one of the young Republicans blackmails another one of the young Republicans
00:26:40.600 into leaking the group texts to a liberal news outlet, Politico, that makes all the young
00:26:48.820 Republicans look bad. What is this about? I will tell you what this is about because I haven't heard
00:26:56.840 a lot of people pointing it out. But because I've been in Republican politics since I was a teenager,
00:27:01.800 because I've spent a lot of time around New York, young Republicans in particular,
00:27:06.060 because I grew up in New York and that's where I first worked in politics. That was my first campaign,
00:27:10.180 multiple campaigns. Everyone thinks, looking from the outside in, that this is about some ideological
00:27:18.620 struggle and a battle for the soul of the Republican Party. And the whistleblower is blowing the whistle
00:27:23.300 to the liberal outlet because he's so scandalized by the things that these young Republicans were
00:27:27.980 saying, which we are told to believe. They sincerely believe, you know, they're just one step away from
00:27:33.420 brown shirts marching through, you know, Reichstag fire or something. Not instead, you know, just young
00:27:39.920 people making edgy jokes as young people are wont to do. And this is what we're all told. I'll tell you
00:27:44.900 what this is. And I don't have any firm proof of this. I've just been around this kind of thing,
00:27:50.760 especially in New York for a long time. I guarantee you, this is some personal beef
00:27:57.360 among young Republicans. I bet you that's the heart of it. I bet you the heart of this is not
00:28:02.800 about, you know, the fight for the soul of the Republican Party. I bet you the heart of it is
00:28:06.260 not that these people are sincerely, you know, supporting Hitler or something. I bet it is a 1.00
00:28:10.640 personal beef, people jockeying for power and position to figure who the next guy to run for state
00:28:16.200 senator of Palookaville is going to be. I bet it is that. And these people, all of whom are by
00:28:22.460 definition political operatives who know exactly how to work the media, stab people in the back and
00:28:28.860 all the rest, it's just people jockeying for power. And the supposed ideological and moral battles that
00:28:34.720 are taking place on the surface are nothing but a veneer for the political power position battles
00:28:42.360 that are roiling underneath. That's what I think it is. And so as a, an observer of politics,
00:28:48.100 a participant in politics, I find this extremely interesting and titillating for that reason.
00:28:55.280 In, in no small part, because the whole thing, the leaking of the messages, I believe is, is a kind of a,
00:29:04.340 a theatrical production playing out in the national media as a cover for what is to me even more
00:29:11.340 interesting, which is brutal power politics. I want this position in the club. I want this position
00:29:16.140 in the national organization. I want to run for this congressional district. That's what I think.
00:29:19.380 That's what I think it's about. Now, what about the comments themselves, which I don't know. I got
00:29:24.660 the article here. It's kind of long, but you know, it's all this like jokes about Hitler and stuff like
00:29:28.420 that. Should, should the New York young Republicans and the DC Republicans, should they be run out of
00:29:36.580 town for this? Here is how the vice president weighed in. By focusing on what kids are saying
00:29:43.000 in a group chat, grow up. I'm sorry, focus on the real issues. Don't focus what, on what kids say in
00:29:48.260 group chats, but there's another angle to this that I just have to be honest about. I mean, I'm like an
00:29:52.760 old guy at this point. I'm 41 years old. I have three kids. Uh, you know, we, we, I, I grew up in a
00:29:58.080 different world, right? We're not most of what I, the stupid things that I did when I was a teenager
00:30:02.500 and a young adult. They're not on the internet. Like I'm going to tell my kids, especially my boys,
00:30:08.420 don't put things on the internet. Like be careful with what you post. If you put something in a group
00:30:13.520 chat, assume that some scumbag is going to leak it in an effort to try to cause you harm or cause
00:30:18.000 your family harm. But the reality is that kids do stupid things, especially young boys. They tell
00:30:24.820 edgy, offensive jokes. Like that's what kids do. And I really don't want us to grow up in a country
00:30:30.440 where a kid telling a stupid joke, telling a very offensive, stupid joke is caused to ruin
00:30:36.480 their lives. And at some point we're all going to have to say enough of this BS. We're not going to
00:30:42.180 allow the worst moment and a 21 year olds group chat to ruin a kid's life for the rest of time.
00:30:48.820 That's just not okay. So JD has been extremely consistent about this going throughout the campaign,
00:30:56.540 throughout his political career. He says, look, young boys, young boys, especially, but young people
00:31:01.440 generally, they say stupid things. They make edgy jokes. They do this and we shouldn't ruin people's
00:31:06.500 lives because at 19 they made some edgy joke. And I think the vice president has a lot of credibility
00:31:11.200 on this because often they'll make the jokes at his expense. So it's not that he's, you know, he's just
00:31:17.180 saying, well, these guys are all my co-partisans. People are knocking him and they're throwing jokes at him.
00:31:21.540 He says, yeah, look, but this is, we don't want to grow up in a country where a 19, 20 year old kid
00:31:25.660 has his life ruined because he was joking around with his friends and trying to, you know, out-based
00:31:32.040 the other one in a group chat or something. That's the question is, we got to make sure it's a joke.
00:31:36.700 Obviously you don't want, you don't want people like actually, you know, setting a Reichstag fire or
00:31:41.900 something, but this is how young guys in particular behave. Obviously the reason that political loves
00:31:47.960 this story and the Democrats love this story is because they see it as an answer to Jay Jones.
00:31:53.140 Remember Jay Jones, he's left the news, hasn't he? Jay Jones, who is the attorney general candidate
00:31:58.860 in Virginia. Jay Jones, who is not a 20 year old kid, some nobody unknown in a young political
00:32:07.660 organization. Jay Jones is a state legislator who is running for attorney general of the top law
00:32:14.980 enforcement official in Virginia, who said in group texts that he would murder his political
00:32:19.480 opponent. And then when asked to clarify if he was joking, he doubled down on the sort of violent
00:32:25.720 rhetoric. And he accused his opponent of breeding little fascists. He said that the birth of his
00:32:31.360 Republican opponent's children constituted breeding little fascists. And he said that he wanted the
00:32:37.860 children to die in their mother's arms. And it wasn't so much a ha ha ha, let's make an edgy joke
00:32:43.860 about a brown shirt. And it wasn't a kid trying to impress his friends in the group chat. It was a
00:32:50.240 Democrat legislator with the endorsement of the Democratic Party that has not lost a single vote,
00:32:55.480 a single endorsement in the Democratic Party, including the gubernatorial candidate, Abigail
00:32:58.980 Spanberg, including the Senator Cory Booker, who made very clear he was not telling jokes.
00:33:04.840 So that's what they, they think this is their equivalence. There's no equivalence whatsoever.
00:33:08.500 And on the broader point of, should we ever criticize anyone on our right or within the
00:33:15.940 right? Or should we just say anyone who's fighting the left is great? And should, I think that this
00:33:22.760 whole debate is in many ways contrived and missing the point. If the question is, should there be guard
00:33:30.380 rails in a political coalition? Yes, of course. All coalitions need guard rails because they need
00:33:36.560 something to delineate what the coalition is. Duh. Yeah, of course there are going to be guard
00:33:41.200 rails. Just as a nation needs a border, so too, any political coalition, any coalition of any kind
00:33:46.500 needs guard rails and features that distinguish between members and non-members. Yeah, of course.
00:33:55.160 And is it possible that people who would call themselves on the right would undermine that
00:33:59.900 coalition or would contradict the goals of that? Yeah, yeah, duh. Yeah, of course.
00:34:03.780 Does anyone want Hitler on the coalition? Like, no. So then to me, the more interesting question 0.78
00:34:10.960 becomes, okay, yeah, we grant that in principle, there should be guard rails on a coalition.
00:34:15.800 What should the line be? If some kid that no one's ever heard of is like making jokes to his friends
00:34:21.580 in a group chat and he invokes, you know, Mussolini or an Austrian painter or something like that,
00:34:26.640 is that cause to kick the kid out of the party and ruin his life and get rid of his jobs? And like,
00:34:31.580 no, I think, obvious. I'm with the vice president on that. No, of course not. That's ridiculous.
00:34:36.660 So then how do you come to what the guard rails are? How do you decide who gets in and who stays
00:34:41.900 out of the coalition? And my answer to that is very simple. You do it very carefully. That's how.
00:34:50.040 And you're going to think that's a cop-out. It's not a cop-out. This answer comes by way of no less
00:34:56.640 right-wing figure than Antonin Scalia. When I was a student, I got to meet Scalia a couple times.
00:35:01.940 One of us in one of these meetings asked, how do you decide which cases, you know, we should just
00:35:12.180 leave as decided law because of stare decisis? You know, or which cases were so egregiously decided
00:35:19.800 that we have to overturn them? Another example would be, how do you decide which sort of guns
00:35:24.780 are permitted for ownership by the Second Amendment and which sort of guns would be beyond
00:35:29.520 the pale? And Scalia's answer was delightful. He said, well, you decide it very carefully.
00:35:37.980 Yeah, sorry. There's no, like, three-point manifesto that says this guy gets into the
00:35:42.380 coalition and this guy has to stay out of the coalition. That's not how it works. This is a
00:35:47.400 human endeavor. This is a team sport. This is a people business, okay? And in politics,
00:35:53.540 the paramount virtue is prudence. And so we decide things very carefully. That's how.
00:35:58.840 And sorry, we're not going to ruin people's lives because they told some edgy joke. We're not going
00:36:04.920 to draw an equivalence between some kid trying to impress his girlfriend or something in a group chat
00:36:09.480 by being like, or his buddies or whatever, trying to be kind of funny. And the would-be attorney general
00:36:15.200 of Virginia who apparently quite earnestly and repeatedly and seriously
00:36:20.500 fantasized about the murder of Republicans and our children. No equivalence between those things
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00:36:54.600 Okay, I want to speak about beautiful black women in Chicago, but first, I want to tell you my
00:36:59.880 favorite comment yesterday from Nat Lovell122, who says, who would have thought young malleable
00:37:05.980 minds would follow a trend? Same with the body positivity movement making a bunch of young fat 0.95
00:37:09.640 people. Yes, that comes from, where was it? Oh, yes, the LGBT study. Sorry, I just totally glitched 0.95
00:37:21.140 out thinking about those beautiful black women. We'll get to it in one second. No, yes, it was
00:37:24.540 the LGBT study that showed that non-binary identity is cratering and that it looks like trans and other
00:37:30.820 kind of queer identities are following, albeit the L and the G are relatively stable. Yeah, of course. 1.00
00:37:36.300 Of course. And this even gets to another point on the like weird sexual identity, which is some
00:37:41.180 people say, well, we're born this way, you know, and there's nothing. That's the beginning and the
00:37:45.120 end of the story. And then some people say, no one's born that way. It's all just a choice. And I think
00:37:49.180 that also misses how human nature works, which is people are born with all sorts of weird
00:37:53.740 inclinations. You know, it's a fallen world. People have all kinds of defects and variations. And also,
00:37:59.300 we're rational creatures and we do have agency and we can cultivate our freedom by disciplining
00:38:05.620 ourselves and growing in knowledge and virtue. And all those things are true. And we're obviously
00:38:09.480 social creatures and we're mimetic and we respond to how other people behave. All of those things
00:38:13.800 can be true. So then the question becomes, do you want to encourage the weird LGBT LMNOP stuff or do 1.00
00:38:18.700 you want to discourage it? When the libs say, well, these people, you know, this identity is so awful,
00:38:23.140 who would choose it? Yeah, right. Maybe we should therefore kind of discourage it and have charity
00:38:26.600 for people along the way. It seems to me the right idea. Okay. Before we get to the mailbag,
00:38:29.840 we're doing mailbag today because we're going to mix up the show a little bit tomorrow. It's going to be a lot
00:38:32.320 of fun. I'm going to have a good friend of mine on. But before we get to that, I do want to get to
00:38:37.840 President Trump's comments on beautiful black women. And the people of Chicago are walking
00:38:44.620 around with MAGA hats. You have women, beautiful black women walking around with MAGA hats. 1.00
00:38:50.500 Please let the president in and we don't care how he does it. They're not interested in National Guard or
00:38:56.820 Army, Navy, bring them in. Marines, bring in the Marines. They just want the crime to stop. 0.57
00:39:02.960 And more so because of the success that we had in DC. I think if we didn't have that success,
00:39:07.920 nobody would even believe it. Fact check, 100% true. Jussie Smollett was ahead of his time.
00:39:15.800 MAGA hats in Chicago. It's MAGA country now, baby. Beautiful black women. It's funny, early on,
00:39:21.400 the Democrats and the squishy Republicans. They thought that this kind of language was going to
00:39:25.460 turn off the voters that Trump was talking about. He says, a lot of these Hispanics are murderers
00:39:30.400 and rapists, but some are good people. He thought that was going to turn them all off. The Hispanics 1.00
00:39:34.000 liked it because Hispanics are broadly more normal than a lot of the highly ideological white people.
00:39:39.220 Same thing here when he has beautiful black women. Oh, no, he can't talk about it. That's a 1.00
00:39:42.660 compliment. That's nice. I don't know that I've ever met a black woman who would not like being called
00:39:48.580 beautiful. And there are these kinds of people in Chicago. Look at just the 2024 exit polls. Black 1.00
00:39:57.000 men, less so women, but black men moving more to the right. Hispanics moving more to the right. 0.98
00:40:02.240 And black people, Pache Ketanji Jackson, are not practically disabled. We don't need to treat
00:40:15.900 black people, that is, as not human. They have rational faculties, and it turns out they don't 1.00
00:40:23.560 like crime and being perpetrated against them. They don't like crime in their communities.
00:40:28.680 And I think Trump, I think he's onto something here. Okay. It's finally my favorite time of the
00:40:33.540 week when we get to hear from you in the mailbag. Our mailbag is sponsored by Pure Talk. Switch to
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00:40:40.480 Hi, Michael. I work for a tribal casino and wanted to get your perspective on legalized
00:40:47.200 gambling. It's an issue I haven't heard you talk much about, and there's so many different
00:40:51.960 aspects to it, from state lotteries to sports betting, online gaming, and casinos. What should
00:40:57.800 our stance be as Christians and conservatives? Should the government regulate it or prohibit it?
00:41:02.360 I really appreciate the time. Love the show. Thanks.
00:41:05.840 Great question. I'm really skeptical of gambling, even though I do it sometimes.
00:41:10.480 But I'm really skeptical of gambling. I'm not saying it should be completely outlawed,
00:41:14.420 but it obviously should be heavily, heavily regulated. The kind of traditional moral way
00:41:18.620 of thinking about gambling or betting. Sometimes people would say gambling is different from
00:41:23.920 betting and that gambling is by definition immoral and out of control and betting is different.
00:41:27.780 But let's just use the word gambling. The traditional criteria are that for the gambler,
00:41:33.920 the money must be his. He can't be gambling other people's money. He must act freely. He can't
00:41:39.160 be being coerced in order for it to be morally illicit. There can't be fraud involved. There
00:41:45.180 can be aspects of the game where you're hiding the ball a little bit, but you have to be aware
00:41:50.960 of that. There can't be actual fraud for it to be illicit. And there must be some equality between
00:41:56.780 the gamblers. So you can't be a shark or a hustler. You can't just pick a mark and take
00:42:05.040 him for all he's worth for it to be moral. So I'm pretty skeptical of it. I do gamble in the sense
00:42:10.720 that I hate going to casinos and I hate sports betting and all that stuff. But I've seen people's
00:42:16.380 lives really, really damaged by gambling. But when I go out to eat with some buddies of mine or go get
00:42:23.460 drinks or something, we almost always play rock, paper, scissors or credit card roulette for the
00:42:27.640 bill. Now, over the years, this has probably amounted to certainly thousands of dollars,
00:42:32.900 maybe tens of thousands of dollars, over a decade or more of playing this game. But it kind of evens
00:42:38.780 out. It's kind of fun. You'd be willing to buy your buddy some drinks or lunch or something anyway.
00:42:42.920 So I'm okay with it. It's got to be heavily, heavily regulated, though. And the libertarians
00:42:49.660 will not like that, but it's true. Okay, next one. Good morning, Michael. Hope you're well. And I'm
00:42:54.680 hoping you can point me in the right direction here because I'm a bit puzzled on what do I do with
00:43:00.300 anger from a Christian perspective? I've been betrayed recently, very profoundly and intensely.
00:43:08.420 It's a complicated situation. I'll spray the details. But along with that has come these feelings
00:43:14.620 of rage that I have little control over and dominate my thoughts. And I'm wondering, what does
00:43:23.240 scripture say about this? What can I do with this? How do I spend this in a positive light?
00:43:29.040 Thank you so much. I appreciate your wisdom.
00:43:32.400 Well, scripture says a lot of things about this. The most famous is probably vengeance. His mind
00:43:37.040 says the Lord and I will repay that his foot shall slide in due time. That's a pretty good one.
00:43:46.640 Also, if you harbor enmity and hate and wrath in your heart, it's akin to killing the person that
00:43:53.560 you're thinking about. So these are very serious injunctions against harboring this kind of wrath.
00:43:59.600 So what do you do? Because it's natural to feel anger. And it is right to feel anger actually in
00:44:04.880 certain circumstances, supposing that it is a righteous anger, an anger on behalf of justice
00:44:11.000 that is conducive to advancing justice. Well, that would be good. In fact, St. Thomas Aquinas says that
00:44:15.460 it's evidence of a defect if you don't feel anger at a righteous thing or anger in a righteous way,
00:44:22.020 you know, at some kind of injustice. So don't beat yourself up too much about it,
00:44:26.220 but you have to sublimate that anger. And one thing that I have done, because I used to have a
00:44:30.700 little bit more of a temper, a little bit, I was a little bit, had more of that Sicilian
00:44:34.220 desire for vengeance than I do now. Now I'm pretty placid. I lose my temper like twice a year.
00:44:39.460 One thing I do is I take a providential view of it. And I say, okay, some injustice was done to me
00:44:47.620 or to someone I love. And this really angers me. Why is this happening? What is the good that can
00:44:55.880 come out of this? It's not that God is responsible for evil, but we know that God turns evil things to
00:45:00.040 good. And we know that, you know, the cosmos is ordered perfectly, you know, according to God's
00:45:06.960 plan. So what's this about? You know, one's then therefore sublimates one's anger and one might even
00:45:12.860 learn something and scrutinize the signs of the times and understand something about the world.
00:45:16.240 Okay. Next question. Sorry to hear about your betrayal, by the way.
00:45:19.900 Hey, Michael, no one has bothered you about IVF in a while. So I thought I would.
00:45:23.560 Okay. So here are my IVF rules that I think would make it okay. So heterosexual couple have to be 1.00
00:45:31.200 married. They have to try naturally for a year and then an additional year of other interventions
00:45:35.980 before you actually attempt IVF. No surrogacy. And you can't know anything about your embryos
00:45:44.380 that are created. And you either have to use them or put them up for adoption. What do you think about
00:45:52.100 that? That's a great effort. It's a great effort. And I appreciate that, that, you know, people
00:45:59.720 recognize the bioethical problems of IVF and are trying to, you know, they want to have IVF because
00:46:06.520 when people suffer infertility, it's so, so painful. I know actually, but they want to do it in the right
00:46:14.920 way. Sort of like, you know, when, if you're, if you're Catholic say, and you hold to Catholic
00:46:20.880 sexual morality and you think, well, surely there's some instance in which I can use a condom,
00:46:25.280 you know, or surely there's some, no, there must be some loophole, right? Not quite. So yes,
00:46:29.360 all of the guardrails you put on it are great and everything, but it doesn't, it doesn't deal with
00:46:34.820 the fundamental problem, which is you are commoditizing human life. You're going to the
00:46:40.160 baby store and you're paying someone to make a baby for you. And you're saying, well, I'm not going
00:46:45.900 to custom, I'm going to, I'm going to foreclose my options to custom design the baby. Okay.
00:46:54.080 Practically speaking, good luck in regulating an industry that way, but it's really the industry
00:46:57.960 that's a problem. The fact that there's a baby industry. And the other thing that you can't
00:47:03.320 get past is establishing the domination of science and technology over the origin and destiny of human
00:47:07.680 life, which sounds like an abstraction. So I'll make it really practical here. There are cases being
00:47:12.860 litigated right now where doctors screwed up the petri dishes in the test tubes and put the wrong
00:47:18.980 baby in the wrong mother. You can have a situation where it goes even worse than that. So you, you know,
00:47:27.120 in this situation, a black couple gives birth to a Chinese baby, obviously something went wrong.
00:47:32.440 Now you're faced with this heartbreaking challenge. Either you just have the, the couple that gave birth
00:47:39.140 raising a baby that's not biologically theirs. And you know, the mother's out there somewhere wants
00:47:44.320 the kid or, but it's, you know, that situation, or they just trade kids, you know, a few months in
00:47:49.640 once they sort it all out in the courts. And now this child is being ripped away from the only parents
00:47:53.880 she has ever known. Horrifying situation, either way, horrifying. And it's prioritizing the
00:47:59.140 disproportionate disorder desires of the parents over the needs of the child. Can't, you can't have it.
00:48:04.720 But think about an even worse situation that can happen, which is the scientist doesn't just mix
00:48:09.520 up the embryos. He mixes up the sperm and the egg and now creates a child with parents who have never
00:48:15.860 met one another. The parents went to the baby store to order the baby and they said, well, we want to
00:48:21.200 use my egg and his sperm or whatever. And, but oops, there was a mistake. And now you have a child who
00:48:25.920 exists with parents who've never met each other, who don't want to raise the child together, who almost
00:48:31.560 certainly will not raise the child together, who don't want this child, who, who want a refund,
00:48:36.600 you know, in manufacturing mistakes happen. Sometimes you should get to return it and get a
00:48:39.620 refund. What, what if the product being manufactured is a baby? You just can't do it. You just can't do
00:48:44.820 it. There's no good IVF. It's a hard saying. Let those who have ears to hear, hear it. Okay. Do we
00:48:51.360 have one more voicemail back question or was that the last one? Good morning, Michael. This is Arun.
00:48:56.120 So, although I am not a Christian in any capacity, I of course still hope and pray for the longevity
00:49:02.920 and success of the papacy of Pope Leo XIV. But let's say that for some reason he decides to resign
00:49:10.800 the papacy and the next pope is Cardinal Pizzaballa. Do you believe that it is morally incumbent on the
00:49:19.080 cardinal to pick the papal name of, wait for it, Papa John? Thank you as always for your wisdom.
00:49:29.040 Yes. It'd be John the 24th, right? John the 23rd was the last. Yes. It would have, you would,
00:49:33.840 it would have to be, it would have to be Papa John. There's no, I, I'm pulling for a Pius the 13th,
00:49:40.040 but yes, Papa John. That's it. Arun, the wisdom of a Hindu to pick a papal name. Okay. 1.00
00:49:45.420 Today is Theology Thursday. As it turns out, we have Bible trivia. The rest of the show continues
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