Ep. 1837 - Did SCOTUS Say Black People Are Disabled？
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In this episode of The Michael Knowles Show, Michael talks about Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Jackson s claim that minorities are "disadvantaged" by the Supreme Court's decision in a case about voting rights for disabled people.
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American statesmen have given us some great, inspiring quotations over the years.
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Abraham Lincoln, government of the people, by the people, for the people,
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shall not perish from the earth. Thomas Jefferson, we hold these truths to be self-evident,
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that all men are created equal. And now, Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Jackson,
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minorities are disabled. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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Welcome back to the show. We got tea. We got piping hot tea, folks. Isn't that what we all want in
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politics? A young Republican has leaked a group chat among other young Republicans,
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creates controversy sometimes. You know, they invent a right to abortion that was pretty controversial,
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then they get rid of the so-called right to abortion, license to abortion. Then they redefine
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marriage sometimes, and they upend campaign finance. Like, you know, the court, sometimes they
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uphold separate but equal, or they say black people can't be citizens. You know, the Supreme Court has
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done and said a lot of things over the years. I think this quote might go down in the annals of
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Supreme Court history, among the most infamous, during oral arguments over redistricting. So this
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is a case about gerrymandering, about redistricting, specifically in Louisiana, how congressional seats
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are going to be apportioned. Ketanji Jackson made an audacious claim.
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I guess I'm thinking of it, of the fact that remedial action, absent discriminatory intent,
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is really not a new idea in the civil rights laws. And my kind of paradigmatic example of this
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is something like the ADA. Congress passed the Americans with Disabilities Act against the backdrop
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of a world that was generally not accessible to people with disabilities. And so it was discriminatory
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in effect, because these folks were not able to access these buildings. The idea in Section 2 is that
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we are responding to current-day manifestations of past and present decisions that disadvantage minorities
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and make it so that they don't have equal access to the voting system, right? They're disabled. In fact,
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we use the word disabled in Milligan. We say that's a way in which you see that these processes are not equally open.
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Am I watching a Ryan Long sketch here or something? Did anyone catch that little slip of the tongue?
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Yeah. It says, look, and the civil rights law seeks to remedy past injustices on racial grounds.
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And, you know, we hear this in court decisions, and that's why black people are practically disabled.
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Was that? Ryan Long had this sketch where it was woke or racist, and they agree on everything.
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You know, I just named him. The exalted cyclops of whatever, you know, the Klan or something comes in and says,
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well, you know, I just think blacks, practically speaking, they're disabled. And then you have the
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two-time Harvard graduate black Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Jackson. That's what I'm saying.
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That we are. We're practically disabled. We're just, wow. Pretty wild claim, huh?
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So I want an inspirational poster up. It's smiling Ketanji Jackson. From the woman who couldn't
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define woman during her confirmation hearings, we bring you the claim that minorities are,
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for all intents and purposes, disabled. Okay. What's the case about? Let's be as charitable as we can
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to this read. The case is about Louisiana's congressional map. And based on the census,
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it includes only one majority black district, despite the fact that Louisiana has a lot of
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black people, but only one district is majority black. And so the plaintiffs are claiming that
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Louisiana is unjustly discriminating as black people or something like that. Okay. And this is what
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Democrats do. Both parties gerrymander. Both parties control redistricting as just part of our electoral
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system. And then whichever side is in power tries to give themselves an advantage. And then the other
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side makes arguments, often specious arguments, about how the way that the other party gerrymanders
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is somehow illegal or somehow unconstitutional. But the way that they themselves gerrymander is totally
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fine and above board. And it's all just so tedious and ridiculous. The way they're trying to do it here
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is by saying that redistricting needs to be based on race. There's no argument in our legal system or
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constitutional system for redistricting primarily based on race. But they're making that argument
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now because they think that it will redound to the benefit of Democrats, even though black voters and
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obviously Hispanic voters are moving considerably to the right. As of now, the Democrats still hold them.
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So they're going to say, all right, race has to be the reason that we redistrict.
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But that raises some other questions. Why is race the chief criterion for redistricting?
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Why not religion? What if you hypothetically have a state where you've got a third Catholics,
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say, but you only have one or two congressional districts that are majority Catholic or Jewish or
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Methodist or Muslim or whatever? What if you have the exact same situation pertaining to race,
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but in this case pertaining to religion? Would there be a Supreme Court case about how this is
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unjust because it's failing to represent the true identities of the people? Maybe, probably not.
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I guess if it were advantageous to Democrats, they'd bring it to them. But religion is not
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advantageous to Democrats, so they probably wouldn't. Okay, what about, I don't know,
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what about actual disability? Not Ketanji Jackson saying black people are practically disabled,
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but I'm talking about like actual disability, like you're missing an arm or something.
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What if a third of the people were physically handicapped in a state, but only one district
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were majority physically handicapped? Would there be a case about how this is discriminatory
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and we need to redistrict? How, this could go on forever because we live in a pluralistic system.
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Don't forget, pluralism primarily does not refer to just lots of different kinds of people living
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together as we sometimes colloquially use it today. Pluralism refers to holding multiple offices at
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the same time and in a figurative way, having multiple identities at the same time. I am an
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American. I'm also a Christian. I'm also a Catholic. I'm also a Italian extraction. I'm also kind of
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waspy. That's where you get Mayflower cigars from, which is a delicious cigar company. I'm also a New
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Yorker, which is why I pronounce a handful of words in a way that amuses people. I'm also a
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ukulele player. I'm also this. I'm also that. I'm also this. What is my chief identity?
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For the libs, it keeps moving. If it's advantageous to say it's race, they say it's race. And then our
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entire political order has to be centered around race. If it's advantageous to say it's sexual desire
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or sex or not sex, for a while when they were pushing feminism, when that was advantageous,
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they said it was sex. Then when they were pushing the LGBTism, emphasis on the transgenderism,
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then it was the opposite of sex. And then it just keeps changing. But it's totally capricious on their
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side. If black people voted Republican, you just wouldn't see this case. And so I guess the question
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for us then is, can we come to an answer that's sturdier? And I think we should, which is as a matter
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of our political identity, it should be that we're Americans. And for the purpose of apportioning
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representation in various states, it should be the state of Louisiana. And we should stop being so
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obviously arbitrary and capricious about it. Because it's going to lead us to say really
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silly things that make us look even more ridiculous than we already do, such as
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minorities are disabled. That's amazing. Ketanji Jackson, man, the gift that keeps on giving.
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Kamala Harris lost, as you know. She lost not just the Electoral College, but she lost the popular vote,
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the first time a Democrat had lost the popular vote in 20 years. She did worse probably than Joe
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Biden would have done, and Joe Biden was half dead when he was running for re-election. She did really,
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really badly. Now she says she's the most qualified person ever to run for president.
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Well, some people have actually said I was the most qualified candidate ever to run for president.
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I like that some people say, very nice, but go ahead.
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Have people said that? Who has said that? Recollections, I think, vary.
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I don't have that much more to say. It's just a funny clip. I just mostly wanted to play it for
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your amusement and delight. The one political takeaway from this is the Democrats are still in
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a great deal of denial. They don't know what to do to help themselves right now. They lost the
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whole government. They lost the popular vote. Republicans control the presidency and the House
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and the Senate and the Supreme Court because they previously won the presidency. Democrats are really
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out. They're on the wrong side of an insane number of issues, issues that are totally clear,
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70-30 or 80-20. They're in a really, really bad spot, but they don't know how to deal with it.
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Look at Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom is just the avatar of this. He realizes there's a problem.
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We've gone way too far left. We've lost a lot of people in the middle, including racial minorities,
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including women, including, okay, so I got to be friends with Charlie Kirk. I got to be friends
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with Steve Bannon, but I can't really do that because then I'm going to lose my base. So I need
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to implicitly threaten Stephen Miller, and I need to move as far left as I can to beef up my liberal
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bona fides, and they just don't know what to do. Kamala Harris, I am the most qualified person
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ever to run for president. Meanwhile, you have Democrats being interviewed saying,
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oh, I think she'd be a tremendous candidate in 2028. They can't admit that she was bad.
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They can't admit that she was a bad candidate because she's a black woman in large part.
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She was selected for the vice presidency because she's a black woman. Not my words,
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Joe Biden's words. He said, I'm going to pick a black woman. And his three choices were Susan Rice,
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who had been the fall man for Benghazi, Karen Bass, who was an actual communist,
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and Kamala Harris, who was the first person out of the 2016 Democratic primary.
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But she was still better than the other two, so they picked her. And because of that,
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they couldn't step over her in 2024 when it was clear Joe Biden was drooling on himself.
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So they couldn't skip over her because of the race hustling, because of the sexual hustling.
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So they're stuck with her. And she is the symbol of this ideology. They're just stuck with this
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ideology. They don't know how to move about it. There is at least one woman who is trying to
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supplant Kamala Harris as the presumptive nominee in 2028. And she's got some help from the perennial
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candidate, Bernie Sanders. That would be Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who just did a town hall on CNN
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and was asked about her future political plans, specifically whether or not she's going to
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challenge Chuck Schumer, Democrat leader in the Senate, to a primary in New York. Here's her answer.
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of his leadership. But are you saying that Senator Schumer should not be worried about
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a primary challenge from you? I mean, no. Let me jump in on this one. This is what we're talking
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about. This is exactly what we're talking about. This is what we're talking about. You have a country
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that is falling apart. We are in a house housing crisis, a health care crisis, an education crisis,
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massive income and wealth inequality, a corrupt campaign finance system. And the media says,
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are you going to run? Nobody cares. I care now. I don't know. I was slightly cared before.
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What? First of all, how are you AOC and not prepared for this question?
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Now I'm beginning to doubt her political skill. I've been very complimentary of AOC's political
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skill. I'm very impressed by her ability to get attention and to moderate and to move around people.
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And I actually think she's a pretty talented politician. That was horrible. People have been
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floating this rumor that she's going to challenge Schumer for years. And her answer is just deer
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in the headlights. And her eyes are already a rather pronounced physical feature of hers.
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Say, hey, so are you going to challenge Chuck Schumer for the Senate? And her answer is like out of a
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Bugs Bunny cartoon. It's like a triple take. It's just, what? And then you look at Bernie Sanders and
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his eyes start bugging out of his head. And there's red lights going.
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It calls so much more attention to a rather simple question. Hey, AOC, you know that thing
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everyone's been talking about in your political career for like five years? What is the likelihood
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that that will happen? So it makes you think, all right, she's obviously very seriously considering
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a Senate challenge to Chuck Schumer. Also, she could go further than that because you'll notice
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she's not sitting on stage there with Kirsten Gillibrand. She's not sitting on stage there
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with Nancy Pelosi. I don't think she's content to remain on Capitol Hill. I think she wants to run
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for president. She's there with the leading far left presidential candidate for the Democrats for the
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last 150 years, Bernie Sanders. And I think she'd be a pretty good candidate. In this moment where
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the Democrat Party is so far to the left, fully open borders, abolish the police, trans the little
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kids, embrace Islamists. We'll get to that in one second because of the Muslim communist running for
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mayor of New York. But they've moved so far to the left that AOC in many ways seems like the moderate
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option now. And so this problem for Newsom, who's tried to position himself both as a Bill Clinton,
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new Democrat, I'm the moderate, I'm slick, I'm reasonable. And also this kind of radical leftist,
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doing gay marriages in San Francisco long before it was legalized, quote unquote,
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that he has a real problem. AOC doesn't have that problem. And I think as of now, I said this on Mark
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Calprin show the other day, I think she is very possibly the best Democrat nominee for president
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in 2028. Shapiro can't get it because he's a Jew and the Democrats don't like Jews anymore.
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Gretchen Whitmer, I just don't think she has what it takes. Pete Buttigieg doesn't have the mojo. He
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has other issues. LGBT is not popular anymore. So Pete Buttigieg loses his one kind of interesting
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identity point. And otherwise, he's accomplished nothing in his life. So I don't think he really
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gets it. Newsom is too schizophrenic. He doesn't know which camp he wants to run in. Kamala's totally
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done. So you go down the list and Rahm Emanuel, I guess, wants to run for president. He's now
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considered too moderate. He's also yesterday's news. J.B. Pritzker, not going to happen. So who do you
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have? At a certain point, you say, well, maybe it's AOC. And maybe what she's doing here is not
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setting herself up for a Senate run by doing this national tour with a beloved presidential
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candidate of the left wing of the Democratic Party. Maybe she's setting herself up for a
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presidential tour. Okay. Now turning to New York politics again, Zoran Mamdani, the aforementioned
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Muslim communist who's running for mayor of New York. He went on Fox News, got to give him credit.
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That's pretty impressive. There are a lot of right wingers in New York, a lot of people who watch Fox
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News. So he's going on there to try to shore up the election that is almost certainly already in the bag for
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him. And he's asked a totally fair question by Martha McCallum. The question is, should Hamas
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disarm? There have been a lot of pro-Palestine protests in New York. Zoran Mamdani has weighed
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in plenty of times on the Israel-Palestine conflict. It's the geopolitical question at the moment.
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Totally fair question, but we don't get totally anything of an answer.
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Into one that's affordable for each and every New Yorker. But okay. And I want to get to that.
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Absolutely. But do you believe that Hamas should lay down their weapons and leave the leadership
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in Gaza? I believe that any future here in New York City is one that we have to make sure that's
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affordable for all. And as it pertains to Israel and Palestine, that we have to ensure that there
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is peace. And that is the future that we have to fight for. But you won't say that Hamas should lay
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down their arms and give up leadership in Gaza. I don't really have opinions about the future of
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Hamas and Israel beyond the question of justice and safety and the fact that anything has to abide
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by international law. And that applies to Hamas. That applies to the Israeli military. It applies
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to anyone you could ask me about. What? Look, man, as you know, I'm not hyper-partisan or ideological
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about the Israel-Palestine conflict. I have the least popular view of the whole thing,
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which is I am broadly supportive of Israel, but I recognize the legitimate rights of Palestinians.
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And I have a personal interest in the Christian sites and the Holy Land. And I recognize it's a
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complex issue. So I think I have a little credibility to weigh in here. If you can't say
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that Hamas should disarm, you're pro-Hamas. You're pro-Hamas. Simple as. And we all knew this guy was
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pro-Hamas. Also, Zoran Mamdani's position on the Israel-Palestine conflict is not my position.
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My position is it's not the most important issue to me. And I recognize it's complex. And here's
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where I weigh in. And here's where I think. Zoran Mamdani talks about Israel-Palestine because his
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constituency talks about Israel-Palestine. Zoran Mamdani talks not just about the Islamic-Jewish
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conflict. He talks about queer liberation in all of this. The intersectional quality of radical
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white leftists donning keffias and talking about free, free Palestine. Greta Thunberg wearing the
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Palestine headscarf. The whole thing is very much in his wheelhouse. But now all of a sudden,
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he clams up. Now he's reticent little Zoran. Hey, you think Hamas should disarm? Qatar thinks
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Hamas should disarm. The Arab League thinks Hamas should disarm. Qatar, which harbors Hamas,
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thinks Hamas should disarm. But Zoran Mamdani doesn't? The would-be mayor of New York City?
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Whoa, that's pretty crazy. That's pretty crazy, man. What? Well, no, my only interest in the
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conflict is justice and peace. Yeah, okay, fair enough. That's my interest in it too. So do you
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support the obvious predicate for any kind of peace? Yeah, I'm not going to say that. I don't
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have no, yo. That is, that guy is a full-blown leftist. I know some people are trying to say
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he's like a secret Wahhabi or something. That he's some radical Muslim terrorist who's just
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pretending to be left-wing. I don't think that's true. I think he is a dyed-in-the-wool
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leftist who, he does happen to be Muslim. I would be surprised if he practices his religion at all.
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In some ways, he'd be easier to deal with if he were a serious Muslim.
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If he clearly believed in God and at least had some conception of God and religion. I don't
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really think it's that. I think he's, I think he's closer to Greta Thunberg than Osama bin Laden.
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And in many ways, that creates more of a political problem for New York. Spooky stuff, man. You can't,
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I'm not saying you need to be waving an Israeli flag, right? I'm not saying you need to like
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Benjamin Netanyahu or I don't know. I'm not saying you have to really be pro-Israel at all.
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The genocidal Islamist terrorists don't need to disarm after the Arab League tells them to.
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And you want to be mayor of New York City, which was hit by one of the most infamous
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Islamic terror attacks in our whole 1400 year struggle against that political force.
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Yo, buddy, crazy. And he's probably going to be mayor is the even crazier part.
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Politico breaks a juicy little story that young Republicans, which is a, there's a group called
00:26:00.760
the young, and I'm not just talking about young people who vote Republican. I'm talking about the
00:26:04.160
there's the college Republicans. There's the Republican National Committee. There's a group
00:26:07.500
called the young Republicans. And it's what it sounds like. It's young Republicans, young
00:26:12.100
professionals, and operatives, and activists, and eccentric kind of people. They're in New York,
00:26:20.300
Washington, and elsewhere. They're all in some group chat. And they're sending edgy, spicy memes.
00:26:26.340
And they're making jokes about Hitler. And they're doing, it's all like really edgy, spicy stuff.
00:26:31.380
And reportedly, one of the young Republicans blackmails another one of the young Republicans
00:26:40.600
into leaking the group texts to a liberal news outlet, Politico, that makes all the young
00:26:48.820
Republicans look bad. What is this about? I will tell you what this is about because I haven't heard
00:26:56.840
a lot of people pointing it out. But because I've been in Republican politics since I was a teenager,
00:27:01.800
because I've spent a lot of time around New York, young Republicans in particular,
00:27:06.060
because I grew up in New York and that's where I first worked in politics. That was my first campaign,
00:27:10.180
multiple campaigns. Everyone thinks, looking from the outside in, that this is about some ideological
00:27:18.620
struggle and a battle for the soul of the Republican Party. And the whistleblower is blowing the whistle
00:27:23.300
to the liberal outlet because he's so scandalized by the things that these young Republicans were
00:27:27.980
saying, which we are told to believe. They sincerely believe, you know, they're just one step away from
00:27:33.420
brown shirts marching through, you know, Reichstag fire or something. Not instead, you know, just young
00:27:39.920
people making edgy jokes as young people are wont to do. And this is what we're all told. I'll tell you
00:27:44.900
what this is. And I don't have any firm proof of this. I've just been around this kind of thing,
00:27:50.760
especially in New York for a long time. I guarantee you, this is some personal beef
00:27:57.360
among young Republicans. I bet you that's the heart of it. I bet you the heart of this is not
00:28:02.800
about, you know, the fight for the soul of the Republican Party. I bet you the heart of it is
00:28:06.260
not that these people are sincerely, you know, supporting Hitler or something. I bet it is a
00:28:10.640
personal beef, people jockeying for power and position to figure who the next guy to run for state
00:28:16.200
senator of Palookaville is going to be. I bet it is that. And these people, all of whom are by
00:28:22.460
definition political operatives who know exactly how to work the media, stab people in the back and
00:28:28.860
all the rest, it's just people jockeying for power. And the supposed ideological and moral battles that
00:28:34.720
are taking place on the surface are nothing but a veneer for the political power position battles
00:28:42.360
that are roiling underneath. That's what I think it is. And so as a, an observer of politics,
00:28:48.100
a participant in politics, I find this extremely interesting and titillating for that reason.
00:28:55.280
In, in no small part, because the whole thing, the leaking of the messages, I believe is, is a kind of a,
00:29:04.340
a theatrical production playing out in the national media as a cover for what is to me even more
00:29:11.340
interesting, which is brutal power politics. I want this position in the club. I want this position
00:29:16.140
in the national organization. I want to run for this congressional district. That's what I think.
00:29:19.380
That's what I think it's about. Now, what about the comments themselves, which I don't know. I got
00:29:24.660
the article here. It's kind of long, but you know, it's all this like jokes about Hitler and stuff like
00:29:28.420
that. Should, should the New York young Republicans and the DC Republicans, should they be run out of
00:29:36.580
town for this? Here is how the vice president weighed in. By focusing on what kids are saying
00:29:43.000
in a group chat, grow up. I'm sorry, focus on the real issues. Don't focus what, on what kids say in
00:29:48.260
group chats, but there's another angle to this that I just have to be honest about. I mean, I'm like an
00:29:52.760
old guy at this point. I'm 41 years old. I have three kids. Uh, you know, we, we, I, I grew up in a
00:29:58.080
different world, right? We're not most of what I, the stupid things that I did when I was a teenager
00:30:02.500
and a young adult. They're not on the internet. Like I'm going to tell my kids, especially my boys,
00:30:08.420
don't put things on the internet. Like be careful with what you post. If you put something in a group
00:30:13.520
chat, assume that some scumbag is going to leak it in an effort to try to cause you harm or cause
00:30:18.000
your family harm. But the reality is that kids do stupid things, especially young boys. They tell
00:30:24.820
edgy, offensive jokes. Like that's what kids do. And I really don't want us to grow up in a country
00:30:30.440
where a kid telling a stupid joke, telling a very offensive, stupid joke is caused to ruin
00:30:36.480
their lives. And at some point we're all going to have to say enough of this BS. We're not going to
00:30:42.180
allow the worst moment and a 21 year olds group chat to ruin a kid's life for the rest of time.
00:30:48.820
That's just not okay. So JD has been extremely consistent about this going throughout the campaign,
00:30:56.540
throughout his political career. He says, look, young boys, young boys, especially, but young people
00:31:01.440
generally, they say stupid things. They make edgy jokes. They do this and we shouldn't ruin people's
00:31:06.500
lives because at 19 they made some edgy joke. And I think the vice president has a lot of credibility
00:31:11.200
on this because often they'll make the jokes at his expense. So it's not that he's, you know, he's just
00:31:17.180
saying, well, these guys are all my co-partisans. People are knocking him and they're throwing jokes at him.
00:31:21.540
He says, yeah, look, but this is, we don't want to grow up in a country where a 19, 20 year old kid
00:31:25.660
has his life ruined because he was joking around with his friends and trying to, you know, out-based
00:31:32.040
the other one in a group chat or something. That's the question is, we got to make sure it's a joke.
00:31:36.700
Obviously you don't want, you don't want people like actually, you know, setting a Reichstag fire or
00:31:41.900
something, but this is how young guys in particular behave. Obviously the reason that political loves
00:31:47.960
this story and the Democrats love this story is because they see it as an answer to Jay Jones.
00:31:53.140
Remember Jay Jones, he's left the news, hasn't he? Jay Jones, who is the attorney general candidate
00:31:58.860
in Virginia. Jay Jones, who is not a 20 year old kid, some nobody unknown in a young political
00:32:07.660
organization. Jay Jones is a state legislator who is running for attorney general of the top law
00:32:14.980
enforcement official in Virginia, who said in group texts that he would murder his political
00:32:19.480
opponent. And then when asked to clarify if he was joking, he doubled down on the sort of violent
00:32:25.720
rhetoric. And he accused his opponent of breeding little fascists. He said that the birth of his
00:32:31.360
Republican opponent's children constituted breeding little fascists. And he said that he wanted the
00:32:37.860
children to die in their mother's arms. And it wasn't so much a ha ha ha, let's make an edgy joke
00:32:43.860
about a brown shirt. And it wasn't a kid trying to impress his friends in the group chat. It was a
00:32:50.240
Democrat legislator with the endorsement of the Democratic Party that has not lost a single vote,
00:32:55.480
a single endorsement in the Democratic Party, including the gubernatorial candidate, Abigail
00:32:58.980
Spanberg, including the Senator Cory Booker, who made very clear he was not telling jokes.
00:33:04.840
So that's what they, they think this is their equivalence. There's no equivalence whatsoever.
00:33:08.500
And on the broader point of, should we ever criticize anyone on our right or within the
00:33:15.940
right? Or should we just say anyone who's fighting the left is great? And should, I think that this
00:33:22.760
whole debate is in many ways contrived and missing the point. If the question is, should there be guard
00:33:30.380
rails in a political coalition? Yes, of course. All coalitions need guard rails because they need
00:33:36.560
something to delineate what the coalition is. Duh. Yeah, of course there are going to be guard
00:33:41.200
rails. Just as a nation needs a border, so too, any political coalition, any coalition of any kind
00:33:46.500
needs guard rails and features that distinguish between members and non-members. Yeah, of course.
00:33:55.160
And is it possible that people who would call themselves on the right would undermine that
00:33:59.900
coalition or would contradict the goals of that? Yeah, yeah, duh. Yeah, of course.
00:34:03.780
Does anyone want Hitler on the coalition? Like, no. So then to me, the more interesting question
00:34:10.960
becomes, okay, yeah, we grant that in principle, there should be guard rails on a coalition.
00:34:15.800
What should the line be? If some kid that no one's ever heard of is like making jokes to his friends
00:34:21.580
in a group chat and he invokes, you know, Mussolini or an Austrian painter or something like that,
00:34:26.640
is that cause to kick the kid out of the party and ruin his life and get rid of his jobs? And like,
00:34:31.580
no, I think, obvious. I'm with the vice president on that. No, of course not. That's ridiculous.
00:34:36.660
So then how do you come to what the guard rails are? How do you decide who gets in and who stays
00:34:41.900
out of the coalition? And my answer to that is very simple. You do it very carefully. That's how.
00:34:50.040
And you're going to think that's a cop-out. It's not a cop-out. This answer comes by way of no less
00:34:56.640
right-wing figure than Antonin Scalia. When I was a student, I got to meet Scalia a couple times.
00:35:01.940
One of us in one of these meetings asked, how do you decide which cases, you know, we should just
00:35:12.180
leave as decided law because of stare decisis? You know, or which cases were so egregiously decided
00:35:19.800
that we have to overturn them? Another example would be, how do you decide which sort of guns
00:35:24.780
are permitted for ownership by the Second Amendment and which sort of guns would be beyond
00:35:29.520
the pale? And Scalia's answer was delightful. He said, well, you decide it very carefully.
00:35:37.980
Yeah, sorry. There's no, like, three-point manifesto that says this guy gets into the
00:35:42.380
coalition and this guy has to stay out of the coalition. That's not how it works. This is a
00:35:47.400
human endeavor. This is a team sport. This is a people business, okay? And in politics,
00:35:53.540
the paramount virtue is prudence. And so we decide things very carefully. That's how.
00:35:58.840
And sorry, we're not going to ruin people's lives because they told some edgy joke. We're not going
00:36:04.920
to draw an equivalence between some kid trying to impress his girlfriend or something in a group chat
00:36:09.480
by being like, or his buddies or whatever, trying to be kind of funny. And the would-be attorney general
00:36:15.200
of Virginia who apparently quite earnestly and repeatedly and seriously
00:36:20.500
fantasized about the murder of Republicans and our children. No equivalence between those things
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Okay, I want to speak about beautiful black women in Chicago, but first, I want to tell you my
00:36:59.880
favorite comment yesterday from Nat Lovell122, who says, who would have thought young malleable
00:37:05.980
minds would follow a trend? Same with the body positivity movement making a bunch of young fat
00:37:09.640
people. Yes, that comes from, where was it? Oh, yes, the LGBT study. Sorry, I just totally glitched
00:37:21.140
out thinking about those beautiful black women. We'll get to it in one second. No, yes, it was
00:37:24.540
the LGBT study that showed that non-binary identity is cratering and that it looks like trans and other
00:37:30.820
kind of queer identities are following, albeit the L and the G are relatively stable. Yeah, of course.
00:37:36.300
Of course. And this even gets to another point on the like weird sexual identity, which is some
00:37:41.180
people say, well, we're born this way, you know, and there's nothing. That's the beginning and the
00:37:45.120
end of the story. And then some people say, no one's born that way. It's all just a choice. And I think
00:37:49.180
that also misses how human nature works, which is people are born with all sorts of weird
00:37:53.740
inclinations. You know, it's a fallen world. People have all kinds of defects and variations. And also,
00:37:59.300
we're rational creatures and we do have agency and we can cultivate our freedom by disciplining
00:38:05.620
ourselves and growing in knowledge and virtue. And all those things are true. And we're obviously
00:38:09.480
social creatures and we're mimetic and we respond to how other people behave. All of those things
00:38:13.800
can be true. So then the question becomes, do you want to encourage the weird LGBT LMNOP stuff or do
00:38:18.700
you want to discourage it? When the libs say, well, these people, you know, this identity is so awful,
00:38:23.140
who would choose it? Yeah, right. Maybe we should therefore kind of discourage it and have charity
00:38:26.600
for people along the way. It seems to me the right idea. Okay. Before we get to the mailbag,
00:38:29.840
we're doing mailbag today because we're going to mix up the show a little bit tomorrow. It's going to be a lot
00:38:32.320
of fun. I'm going to have a good friend of mine on. But before we get to that, I do want to get to
00:38:37.840
President Trump's comments on beautiful black women. And the people of Chicago are walking
00:38:44.620
around with MAGA hats. You have women, beautiful black women walking around with MAGA hats.
00:38:50.500
Please let the president in and we don't care how he does it. They're not interested in National Guard or
00:38:56.820
Army, Navy, bring them in. Marines, bring in the Marines. They just want the crime to stop.
00:39:02.960
And more so because of the success that we had in DC. I think if we didn't have that success,
00:39:07.920
nobody would even believe it. Fact check, 100% true. Jussie Smollett was ahead of his time.
00:39:15.800
MAGA hats in Chicago. It's MAGA country now, baby. Beautiful black women. It's funny, early on,
00:39:21.400
the Democrats and the squishy Republicans. They thought that this kind of language was going to
00:39:25.460
turn off the voters that Trump was talking about. He says, a lot of these Hispanics are murderers
00:39:30.400
and rapists, but some are good people. He thought that was going to turn them all off. The Hispanics
00:39:34.000
liked it because Hispanics are broadly more normal than a lot of the highly ideological white people.
00:39:39.220
Same thing here when he has beautiful black women. Oh, no, he can't talk about it. That's a
00:39:42.660
compliment. That's nice. I don't know that I've ever met a black woman who would not like being called
00:39:48.580
beautiful. And there are these kinds of people in Chicago. Look at just the 2024 exit polls. Black
00:39:57.000
men, less so women, but black men moving more to the right. Hispanics moving more to the right.
00:40:02.240
And black people, Pache Ketanji Jackson, are not practically disabled. We don't need to treat
00:40:15.900
black people, that is, as not human. They have rational faculties, and it turns out they don't
00:40:23.560
like crime and being perpetrated against them. They don't like crime in their communities.
00:40:28.680
And I think Trump, I think he's onto something here. Okay. It's finally my favorite time of the
00:40:33.540
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Hi, Michael. I work for a tribal casino and wanted to get your perspective on legalized
00:40:47.200
gambling. It's an issue I haven't heard you talk much about, and there's so many different
00:40:51.960
aspects to it, from state lotteries to sports betting, online gaming, and casinos. What should
00:40:57.800
our stance be as Christians and conservatives? Should the government regulate it or prohibit it?
00:41:02.360
I really appreciate the time. Love the show. Thanks.
00:41:05.840
Great question. I'm really skeptical of gambling, even though I do it sometimes.
00:41:10.480
But I'm really skeptical of gambling. I'm not saying it should be completely outlawed,
00:41:14.420
but it obviously should be heavily, heavily regulated. The kind of traditional moral way
00:41:18.620
of thinking about gambling or betting. Sometimes people would say gambling is different from
00:41:23.920
betting and that gambling is by definition immoral and out of control and betting is different.
00:41:27.780
But let's just use the word gambling. The traditional criteria are that for the gambler,
00:41:33.920
the money must be his. He can't be gambling other people's money. He must act freely. He can't
00:41:39.160
be being coerced in order for it to be morally illicit. There can't be fraud involved. There
00:41:45.180
can be aspects of the game where you're hiding the ball a little bit, but you have to be aware
00:41:50.960
of that. There can't be actual fraud for it to be illicit. And there must be some equality between
00:41:56.780
the gamblers. So you can't be a shark or a hustler. You can't just pick a mark and take
00:42:05.040
him for all he's worth for it to be moral. So I'm pretty skeptical of it. I do gamble in the sense
00:42:10.720
that I hate going to casinos and I hate sports betting and all that stuff. But I've seen people's
00:42:16.380
lives really, really damaged by gambling. But when I go out to eat with some buddies of mine or go get
00:42:23.460
drinks or something, we almost always play rock, paper, scissors or credit card roulette for the
00:42:27.640
bill. Now, over the years, this has probably amounted to certainly thousands of dollars,
00:42:32.900
maybe tens of thousands of dollars, over a decade or more of playing this game. But it kind of evens
00:42:38.780
out. It's kind of fun. You'd be willing to buy your buddy some drinks or lunch or something anyway.
00:42:42.920
So I'm okay with it. It's got to be heavily, heavily regulated, though. And the libertarians
00:42:49.660
will not like that, but it's true. Okay, next one. Good morning, Michael. Hope you're well. And I'm
00:42:54.680
hoping you can point me in the right direction here because I'm a bit puzzled on what do I do with
00:43:00.300
anger from a Christian perspective? I've been betrayed recently, very profoundly and intensely.
00:43:08.420
It's a complicated situation. I'll spray the details. But along with that has come these feelings
00:43:14.620
of rage that I have little control over and dominate my thoughts. And I'm wondering, what does
00:43:23.240
scripture say about this? What can I do with this? How do I spend this in a positive light?
00:43:32.400
Well, scripture says a lot of things about this. The most famous is probably vengeance. His mind
00:43:37.040
says the Lord and I will repay that his foot shall slide in due time. That's a pretty good one.
00:43:46.640
Also, if you harbor enmity and hate and wrath in your heart, it's akin to killing the person that
00:43:53.560
you're thinking about. So these are very serious injunctions against harboring this kind of wrath.
00:43:59.600
So what do you do? Because it's natural to feel anger. And it is right to feel anger actually in
00:44:04.880
certain circumstances, supposing that it is a righteous anger, an anger on behalf of justice
00:44:11.000
that is conducive to advancing justice. Well, that would be good. In fact, St. Thomas Aquinas says that
00:44:15.460
it's evidence of a defect if you don't feel anger at a righteous thing or anger in a righteous way,
00:44:22.020
you know, at some kind of injustice. So don't beat yourself up too much about it,
00:44:26.220
but you have to sublimate that anger. And one thing that I have done, because I used to have a
00:44:30.700
little bit more of a temper, a little bit, I was a little bit, had more of that Sicilian
00:44:34.220
desire for vengeance than I do now. Now I'm pretty placid. I lose my temper like twice a year.
00:44:39.460
One thing I do is I take a providential view of it. And I say, okay, some injustice was done to me
00:44:47.620
or to someone I love. And this really angers me. Why is this happening? What is the good that can
00:44:55.880
come out of this? It's not that God is responsible for evil, but we know that God turns evil things to
00:45:00.040
good. And we know that, you know, the cosmos is ordered perfectly, you know, according to God's
00:45:06.960
plan. So what's this about? You know, one's then therefore sublimates one's anger and one might even
00:45:12.860
learn something and scrutinize the signs of the times and understand something about the world.
00:45:16.240
Okay. Next question. Sorry to hear about your betrayal, by the way.
00:45:19.900
Hey, Michael, no one has bothered you about IVF in a while. So I thought I would.
00:45:23.560
Okay. So here are my IVF rules that I think would make it okay. So heterosexual couple have to be
00:45:31.200
married. They have to try naturally for a year and then an additional year of other interventions
00:45:35.980
before you actually attempt IVF. No surrogacy. And you can't know anything about your embryos
00:45:44.380
that are created. And you either have to use them or put them up for adoption. What do you think about
00:45:52.100
that? That's a great effort. It's a great effort. And I appreciate that, that, you know, people
00:45:59.720
recognize the bioethical problems of IVF and are trying to, you know, they want to have IVF because
00:46:06.520
when people suffer infertility, it's so, so painful. I know actually, but they want to do it in the right
00:46:14.920
way. Sort of like, you know, when, if you're, if you're Catholic say, and you hold to Catholic
00:46:20.880
sexual morality and you think, well, surely there's some instance in which I can use a condom,
00:46:25.280
you know, or surely there's some, no, there must be some loophole, right? Not quite. So yes,
00:46:29.360
all of the guardrails you put on it are great and everything, but it doesn't, it doesn't deal with
00:46:34.820
the fundamental problem, which is you are commoditizing human life. You're going to the
00:46:40.160
baby store and you're paying someone to make a baby for you. And you're saying, well, I'm not going
00:46:45.900
to custom, I'm going to, I'm going to foreclose my options to custom design the baby. Okay.
00:46:54.080
Practically speaking, good luck in regulating an industry that way, but it's really the industry
00:46:57.960
that's a problem. The fact that there's a baby industry. And the other thing that you can't
00:47:03.320
get past is establishing the domination of science and technology over the origin and destiny of human
00:47:07.680
life, which sounds like an abstraction. So I'll make it really practical here. There are cases being
00:47:12.860
litigated right now where doctors screwed up the petri dishes in the test tubes and put the wrong
00:47:18.980
baby in the wrong mother. You can have a situation where it goes even worse than that. So you, you know,
00:47:27.120
in this situation, a black couple gives birth to a Chinese baby, obviously something went wrong.
00:47:32.440
Now you're faced with this heartbreaking challenge. Either you just have the, the couple that gave birth
00:47:39.140
raising a baby that's not biologically theirs. And you know, the mother's out there somewhere wants
00:47:44.320
the kid or, but it's, you know, that situation, or they just trade kids, you know, a few months in
00:47:49.640
once they sort it all out in the courts. And now this child is being ripped away from the only parents
00:47:53.880
she has ever known. Horrifying situation, either way, horrifying. And it's prioritizing the
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disproportionate disorder desires of the parents over the needs of the child. Can't, you can't have it.
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But think about an even worse situation that can happen, which is the scientist doesn't just mix
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up the embryos. He mixes up the sperm and the egg and now creates a child with parents who have never
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met one another. The parents went to the baby store to order the baby and they said, well, we want to
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use my egg and his sperm or whatever. And, but oops, there was a mistake. And now you have a child who
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exists with parents who've never met each other, who don't want to raise the child together, who almost
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certainly will not raise the child together, who don't want this child, who, who want a refund,
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you know, in manufacturing mistakes happen. Sometimes you should get to return it and get a
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refund. What, what if the product being manufactured is a baby? You just can't do it. You just can't do
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it. There's no good IVF. It's a hard saying. Let those who have ears to hear, hear it. Okay. Do we
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have one more voicemail back question or was that the last one? Good morning, Michael. This is Arun.
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So, although I am not a Christian in any capacity, I of course still hope and pray for the longevity
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and success of the papacy of Pope Leo XIV. But let's say that for some reason he decides to resign
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the papacy and the next pope is Cardinal Pizzaballa. Do you believe that it is morally incumbent on the
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cardinal to pick the papal name of, wait for it, Papa John? Thank you as always for your wisdom.
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Yes. It'd be John the 24th, right? John the 23rd was the last. Yes. It would have, you would,
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it would have to be, it would have to be Papa John. There's no, I, I'm pulling for a Pius the 13th,
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but yes, Papa John. That's it. Arun, the wisdom of a Hindu to pick a papal name. Okay.
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