The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1838 - Make America Pregnant Again

00:00:00.000 I got good news and I got bad news. The good news is that the White House just announced

00:00:04.600 a plan to encourage Americans to have more babies after our birth rate has been below

00:00:09.600 replacement for over 50 years. The bad news is that part of the plan involves promoting IVF,

00:00:15.920 which listeners to the show will know I and many other people consider intrinsically immoral

00:00:20.700 for a whole host of reasons, including the fact that it causes the destruction and indefinite

00:00:25.720 freezing of countless human beings. It commoditizes human life and it establishes

00:00:29.780 the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of human life. Also, it involves guys

00:00:37.040 committing a gravely disordered act in a gross medical room. This is a family show. I'm not

00:00:42.300 gonna paint too much of a picture here. We'll just leave it at that. All of that said, the policy

00:00:47.900 should not come as a surprise. IVF is extremely popular with the public. 70%, I think, of American

00:00:54.640 adults think IVF is a good thing. Only 8% know that it's a bad thing. Also, it's not surprising,

00:01:01.620 given that it's a relatively new technology that most people just have not had the opportunity

00:01:06.080 to think through. Also, the policy clearly comes from a place of good intentions. Most people think

00:01:13.520 it's pro-life, including President Trump, who campaigned and won on it. Now, also, also, also,

00:01:19.880 there is a silver lining that I've not seen many of the understandably disappointed pro-lifers point

00:01:25.440 out. Many of us, after the campaign, after this talk of IVF, which is a 70 or 80% issue, many of us

00:01:33.580 were bracing for an IVF insurance mandate that would have forced companies to pay for IVF. Happily,

00:01:40.200 that part has been shelved. This policy, more or less, just seeks to lower the cost of IVF,

00:01:46.940 which, though bad, is basically the least bad way to fulfill the campaign promise.

00:01:52.080 Most Americans, and even most Republicans, still have not grasped the moral horror of IVF. They will

00:01:58.020 start to do that soon enough as designer babies saturate the market. You're already seeing that

00:02:02.000 happen. In the meantime, though, I want everyone to consider a practical argument. Put the morality

00:02:09.080 aside for a second. The practical argument for IVF is that it's going to increase the birth rate.

00:02:15.200 But there is very little reason to believe that promoting IVF will actually increase the birth

00:02:21.220 rate. And there's a lot of reason to believe that promoting IVF will lower the birth rate.

00:02:26.580 Because IVF is not particularly effective. The likelihood of a live birth after a cycle of IVF for

00:02:32.580 women under 30 is just about 42%. For women between 40 and 41, it's 11%. Women 42 to 43, it's 5%. Women 44 and

00:02:44.780 over, about 2%. In the meantime, it can cost tens of thousands of dollars per cycle. And the very

00:02:52.040 existence of IVF as an option gives women a false sense of security that they can postpone having 1.00

00:02:57.500 children. When in reality, every year they put it off, the likelihood that they will have children

00:03:04.140 drops lower and lower, whether through IVF or the old-fashioned way. Even the liberal media have

00:03:09.300 covered this. The women who say, I'm going to freeze my eggs. And then in 10 years, I'll have a child. 1.00

00:03:13.920 And then they get the big, splashy liberal magazine cover. And they say, oh, actually, it didn't work.

00:03:18.280 And now they don't have kids. I have said for years at this point that the Trump administration

00:03:23.660 gets it right 99.7% of the time. Who could ask for more than that? This man is a mere mortal.

00:03:31.940 And the heart is in the right place on this one, as the heart is in the right place for the 70% 1.00

00:03:36.440 of Americans who support IVF right now. Some parts of the pronatal policy are great.

00:03:42.220 We need more babies. And we need more babies in ways that work, both practically and morally.

00:03:49.300 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:03:53.660 Welcome back to the show. I am very excited today to be joined by someone, I say this without one

00:04:16.580 iota of exaggeration or flattery, one of my very favorite people in all of politics and media.

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00:05:45.100 Knowles. Who is this person that I'm talking about? Who is what? Drum roll, please. She's just coming

00:05:52.440 off of a magnificent performance, an actual masterclass on Jubilees Surrounded. That would be my friend,

00:06:01.220 Allie Beth Stuckey. Allie, how are you? I'm doing well. How are you, Michael?

00:06:05.540 I'm doing very well. So I decided, we're mixing it up today, okay? Generally, I just sort of

00:06:11.560 pontificate. I blab into a camera. And I said, Friday, you know, casual Friday, I want to maybe,

00:06:17.060 I don't know, bring some friends on or something. And you just completely obliterated. It was an

00:06:22.080 actual masterclass on Jubilee. We'll get to that clip in a moment. First, as one of the few people

00:06:27.940 with very, very precise moral clarity on all sorts of social issues, what do you make of the IVF

00:06:35.220 announcement? Yeah, I loved what you said because it was very balanced. On the one hand, this is a

00:06:42.440 very popular policy. It doesn't surprise me at all that Trump is in favor of it. A lot of people around

00:06:47.340 him are probably in favor of it. But I'm sure he's also got people in his administration, like you and

00:06:52.260 me, who hopefully have the strength to say, look, there are some ethical issues with this. And I am

00:06:58.740 disappointed in some of the Republicans standing behind President Trump on this, on the congressional

00:07:03.760 side, that I know probably do know better and have heard the ethical and moral arguments when it comes

00:07:10.760 to the sanctity of life. It's a very inconsistent philosophy. If you say that a person is a person,

00:07:16.760 no matter how small, that all people, no matter their stage of development, deserve to be treated

00:07:22.320 with dignity and respect, we shouldn't murder them. But that also means that we shouldn't discard them,

00:07:27.200 that we shouldn't freeze them indefinitely, that they shouldn't be eugenically picked out to decide 0.97

00:07:31.700 what gender and what characteristics that you want. It's inconsistent not to hold both of those 0.96

00:07:37.800 positions. But it just takes a little bit more intellectual and moral effort to get there.

00:07:43.400 And that's why you and I exist. We're trying to get people there.

00:07:47.560 Yes, I'm totally right. The chief argument I hear against this from people who I think mean well,

00:07:53.320 not the ones who are just kind of cynically going along, but the ones who I think sincerely mean well

00:07:56.820 is they say, well, look, we don't have enough babies and we want more babies and more babies are

00:08:01.740 always good. So how can you oppose IVF?

00:08:05.640 Right. And I heard what you said that statistically, I mean, most of these IVF situations are not actually

00:08:12.560 ending in a live birth. And what that means, it's not just a number. We're not just talking about

00:08:17.840 pregnancies and births. I mean, when we say that we are talking about children, living human beings

00:08:22.640 who have died because adults with maybe good intentions have decided that the risk of a person's

00:08:29.940 life is worth them possibly fulfilling their good desire to be parents. And that's starting out

00:08:36.760 life disordered morally because it's adults who are supposed to make sacrifices for children,

00:08:43.580 not the other way around. And so, yeah, I understand wanting more babies. I think there

00:08:50.340 are different ways to incentivize that and to encourage that. But the IVF industry actually

00:08:56.400 kills more unborn children every year than the abortion industry does. And so it's just not consistent.

00:09:02.420 There's also, look, the most provocative kind of answer to this question I've found is they say,

00:09:07.920 well, how can it be bad? You know, if something results in a new baby, then that has to be a good

00:09:13.640 thing. And the obvious rejoinder, though, it offends a lot of people is, okay, tell me about rape.

00:09:19.440 Because rape can result in a new baby. And I know people who were conceived through rape and,

00:09:25.780 you know, they have a right to life and we love them and they're just as human as anybody else.

00:09:29.060 Yeah. That obviously doesn't justify rape. And they say, how dare you compare IVF to rape? And I

00:09:34.260 say, well, I guess I am comparing them, but I'm only comparing them in as much as you are making the

00:09:38.900 claim that all ways to produce a child are morally justified and should be legal and promoted. And I'm

00:09:45.460 just pointing out that rape is a way to create it. So obviously, at least in one case, you're saying

00:09:49.220 there's a way to create a child, which is a good thing, but the way to create the child is not in any

00:09:54.420 way justifiable. Exactly. Just because we believe that every child conceived should be born without

00:10:02.380 being murdered doesn't mean that we support every mode of conception. We also are against sex outside

00:10:09.180 of marriage. We're against getting pregnant before you get married. But just as you said,

00:10:14.040 no matter the circumstances surrounding someone's conception, they have a right to life. We're trying

00:10:19.300 to stop the conception that is disordered and that leads to more brokenness and stripping these

00:10:26.140 unborn children of their rights. Yeah, that's right. And just creating a market for baby. We 0.88

00:10:31.360 don't want markets for babies. Okay. I want to turn to a much more important topic, Allie. J-Lo. J-Lo

00:10:37.140 just went on Howard Stern's show. Apparently Howard Stern still has a show. I actually thought his show

00:10:41.360 got canceled, but it didn't. I guess he still has a show. Me too. And so J-Lo has been married four

00:10:48.060 times and she's been engaged reportedly six times. And she's, you know, she's, I'm not saying she's an

00:10:56.260 old lady, but she's now a woman of a certain age. She's been around for a long time. And she's come

00:11:01.520 to a conclusion about why her relationships haven't worked. It turns out it's always the other guy's

00:11:08.460 fault. Do we have it? No. No. And do you think you really have experienced loving someone? Yes.

00:11:15.780 You have? Yeah. And when you can't get that love back? What I learned, it's not that I'm not lovable.

00:11:22.200 It's that they're not capable. They can't love. They don't have it in them. They need to appreciate

00:11:27.540 the little person inside of them. They have little to give. Yeah. You've been in relationship with you.

00:11:31.380 And they gave me what they had. Right. But it's not enough. They gave me all of it. Every time.

00:11:35.500 But it's this much. All the rings. All the things I could ever want. Right.

00:11:39.700 They tried to give me the houses, the rings, the marriage, all of it. But.

00:11:43.820 They didn't love you. They didn't. And didn't know you. And I didn't love myself.

00:11:48.560 Is it possible that I'm mistaken? No, it's the children who must be wrong. Allie, your take.

00:11:54.940 Oh my goodness. There's some trite saying that I see going around on Instagram sometimes and I

00:12:00.180 can't even remember what it is, but it's something along the lines of it's not that you're too much.

00:12:05.780 It's that they're not enough to handle you or something like that. And it sounds like that's

00:12:11.180 what she's saying here, that it's it's not that I'm a narcissist. It's not that I am a diva.

00:12:19.080 It's not that I have unrealistic expectations is that they cannot meet those expectations.

00:12:24.920 And, you know, if that continues to be her mentality, she will probably die a very lonely

00:12:30.660 and sad woman, which is her prerogative. But this road to self-fulfillment that so many

00:12:37.340 women are on serving this God of self always leaves in a dead end. 1.00

00:12:43.100 I was listening to a homily not that long ago, probably like a month ago. I was at I was at

00:12:47.040 the live action summit speaking of birth and bioethical issues. And it was great, great homily

00:12:53.220 from a priest. And he said, you know, there's this vision of hell. And in hell, you've got

00:12:57.920 this whole banquet table arrayed before you delicious foods and good booze and desserts

00:13:04.020 and everything. But the problem is you're all sitting there, you and all the damned. And 0.99

00:13:09.000 the fork is so big that when you reach down to get your pasta carbonara, you can't get it

00:13:15.320 in your mouth. And that's the torture that you have for eternity. And the funny thing about

00:13:19.460 it is that when you go up to heaven, it's the same banquet table and it's actually the

00:13:24.760 same forks. It's exactly the same. But the difference is the people in heaven spear the

00:13:31.060 nice connelloni and then they feed them to the people across from them. So the forks work

00:13:36.420 just fine. And the entire distinction, I thought it was a very cute homily, actually pretty profound.

00:13:40.920 The entire difference between heaven and hell is one of charity. In hell, you're just completely

00:13:48.720 obsessed with the self. And in heaven, you are caring for others and ultimately looking toward

00:13:54.960 God. And it just seems to me that if I were, I don't know how old Jennifer Lopez is and Lady 1.00

00:14:00.360 Never Tells, but if I'd had four marriages and all these failed engagements, I might say,

00:14:05.460 is there a common denominator here that is not Ben Affleck? I guess he was two of them. But anyway,

00:14:12.400 there must be some other common denominator, right?

00:14:16.280 Yeah. You know, she said at the end there, I don't think she liked it when Howard Stern said,

00:14:21.400 they didn't love you. I think she was kind of appalled by that. Like what? No, they definitely

00:14:25.920 loved me. She said, no, I didn't love myself. That's what it always comes down to. And I've been saying

00:14:32.500 for a long time, you've talked about this too. We do not have a deficit of self-love in this country.

00:14:37.980 That is not our problem. We don't have a self-esteem issue. And women are told this all the time that 1.00

00:14:43.320 you're enough. You're perfect the way you are. You're so beautiful. It's always them. Cut the

00:14:47.220 toxic people out of your life. Those people never end up happy. They end up divorced. They end up 0.96

00:14:53.040 lonely. They end up destitute in a lot of ways. And they end up very confused because they've been

00:14:57.700 told this lie that the self can be both the problem and the solution. That if you're depressed and anxious and

00:15:02.040 lonely, you should go to the same place where your problems are to find the solution. And that,

00:15:06.600 of course, doesn't work. You have to go outside of yourself, namely to the creator who made you,

00:15:11.120 to find out who you are and why you matter. As soon as you step outside of yourself,

00:15:15.620 this is kind of part of the paradox of Christianity, you actually find the satisfaction that you have 0.70

00:15:21.160 been looking for. Maybe J-Lo will figure that out before she dies. I hope so. It's good to store up

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00:16:51.380 because you've been following the Jay Jones debate, the attorney general candidate in Virginia who

00:16:57.480 wants to murder all of us and our children and like double down on it in texts and phone calls

00:17:02.320 said, yeah, I'm not joking. I really, when Republicans have kids, they're breeding fascists. 0.99

00:17:06.460 So they finally had a debate last night. Yeah. And he has not lost one Democrat endorsement. 0.71

00:17:12.360 He has, he might well be the next attorney general. Jason Millares, who's the Republican

00:17:17.560 a candidate for AG. He took the opportunity to really drive this home. Here's what he had to say.

00:17:25.560 And I find it a little bit stunning that today you say one of the pillars of your public safety

00:17:30.180 platform is protecting children. Were you protecting Jennifer's children when you said you wanted to

00:17:35.780 see them die in their mother's arms? How can anybody who's ever worked in any of the crimes against

00:17:40.760 children, all of the areas of federal and state local law department, how can they ever take you

00:17:45.620 seriously, be the top prosecutor, knowing that you view that children should die to advance a

00:17:51.080 political agenda? It's unconscionable. And if you were truly sorry, you would not be running for

00:17:55.900 this office because you disqualified yourself. Well said, I'm sure we all agree with it.

00:18:01.040 The question is, will there be any actual political consequences for it or are the Dems too far gone?

00:18:09.480 Well, I think it's yes to be seen. I mean, certainly I think if people were going to be denouncing

00:18:14.580 him, if Democrats were going to be trying to cut ties with him, they would have done that in the

00:18:18.640 immediate aftermath. Now they're playing the strategy of just waiting it out because they

00:18:23.820 understand the news cycle moves fast. They're going to look for something to distract their

00:18:27.840 people or something that they can convince their people, hey, what they're doing over here is

00:18:32.120 actually worse. We probably saw that with the, you know, political political article about the

00:18:38.320 young Republicans and saying some of the things that they said. So I think that that's their play

00:18:43.420 right now. I think that if they found this morally repugnant, they would have said so from the get

00:18:47.860 go, but they haven't. And so I think that at least shows where their heart and their mind is.

00:18:53.720 At this point, if they're pushed to do anything, like give any kind of consequence, it's certainly

00:18:59.520 not because it's genuine. It's, you know, a cynical power play, but I'm not even sure that we're going

00:19:06.800 to get there. So there was a poll that came out before the leaked text messages and it showed that

00:19:13.300 Jay Jones was up. He was leading in the race. And not surprising, Virginia is pretty Democrat.

00:19:18.160 After the messages, he had dropped about 10 points. So there's, now who knows? The only poll that

00:19:23.240 matters is the poll on election day. I do wonder, even though the news cycle is going to move on,

00:19:27.500 even though the Democrats are holding for him, trying to keep their heads down,

00:19:29.840 there are scandals and there are scandals. You know, there's like, he gets caught,

00:19:35.560 you know, with, I don't know, with his arm around a girl at a bar. That's one thing. Or he talks about

00:19:40.080 how he wants Republicans' children to die in their mother's arms. That's, that's a little bit

00:19:44.020 different. Does this hit viscerally women? Does this hit, is this different in kind as I guess I 0.82

00:19:55.140 suspect it is or no? I mean, you got the Democrats basically broadly excusing, minimizing, or even

00:20:01.960 celebrating political violence, certainly since, since Charlie was murdered. Even before that,

00:20:05.960 though, is it, is, is this not as visceral as I suspect it is?

00:20:11.880 Gosh, well, I think so. Of course, there are probably some progressive women who are, you know, 1.00

00:20:16.900 imbibing the propaganda while Republicans want to take this away and do this. And they basically want

00:20:21.240 your children dead because of what they believe about healthcare and immigration and all of that stuff.

00:20:24.780 Maybe that works on some women, which is why I think that text needs to be amplified over and 1.00

00:20:29.380 over again. To have this level of cruelty, to want to manifest a mom's worst nightmare, 0.91

00:20:35.940 their child dying violently, period. But holding their child as they die, I mean, what a cruel and

00:20:41.880 just dark and disturbed, wicked person you have to be. And to be in the position of administering

00:20:47.160 justice, especially on behalf of children in the state of Virginia, this person needs to be nowhere

00:20:52.620 near power, but especially a position like this. Hopefully, even progressive women in that state 1.00

00:20:58.200 can say, you know what, I'm not going to be on board with Republicans, but this is just too far,

00:21:02.480 especially in the wake of Charlie Kirk. When we see that rhetoric like this, that thoughts like this

00:21:07.680 actually do translate to action pretty quickly for some people on the left. I don't think we should

00:21:13.420 be playing around with this anymore. And hopefully, hopefully people will be able to sober up to see at least

00:21:19.040 that. You know, I love the vice president's response when there's the New York Young Republican

00:21:24.100 group chat gate, you know, where it's these like 20-somethings sending spicy memes in a group

00:21:29.100 chat. And JD was asked about this and he says, oh yeah, no, I have a lot to say. I mean, can you

00:21:35.700 believe these kinds of text messages where someone would call for the murder of his political opponent's

00:21:41.880 children and accuse him of, oh no, wait, that's not the New York Young Republicans. Oh no, that's the guy

00:21:46.640 who wants to be Attorney General of Virginia. That's totally how I feel about this. Oh yeah, kids sent

00:21:51.260 naughty, naughty jokes in a group chat. Kids you've never heard of, even 20-somethings you've never heard of

00:21:56.520 sent naughty jokes in a group chat and spicy memes. Oh, naughty, naughty, naughty. Let's get back to talking

00:22:01.220 about Jay Jones because I don't want to hear about these distractions. Totally, absolutely. Now, speaking of the

00:22:06.740 youths, so there's some good news coming out of religion in America, which was not the case for like

00:22:13.320 20 or 30 years, but it seems to be a lot of good news. Specifically though, I don't, I'm not just

00:22:18.700 talking about the declining Christianity stopping. I'm not just talking about people going back to

00:22:22.360 church. That's all awesome. On the Catholic side of things, we've had liberal priests and prelates,

00:22:31.100 you know, kind of growing and growing for 50 years now. There is a chart going around social media and

00:22:38.300 coming out of a really great study that shows that if you look at priests by age cohorts, so

00:22:45.460 priests ordained before 1975 and then 75 to 79, 80 to 89, you know, moving forward. You're seeing,

00:22:53.620 I think some of the numbers are actually screwed up a little bit on the chart, but they're moving up to,

00:22:57.760 I think, in 1990. You can see there's very liberal priests, somewhat liberal priests, moderate priests,

00:23:04.220 conservative priests, very conservative priests. All of the energy consistently for decades is

00:23:11.080 the priests are getting much more conservative, much more orthodox. You know, we're not talking

00:23:16.180 conservative like Republican or Democrat exactly. Much more orthodox, much more traditional, much more

00:23:21.640 concerned with scriptural fidelity and, you know, not trying to innovate. And the other thing is,

00:23:29.280 you got to remember that all of this is lagging by a lot because, you know, bishops tend to be a

00:23:34.040 little old. Popes tend to be a little old. So if you're looking at this crystal ball, it just seems

00:23:39.040 like for priests before 1980 and then 1980 to 1999, then 2000 or later, they say, what are the most

00:23:47.380 important things to you? Climate change and ecology. All the like boomer priests are all about climate 0.99

00:23:53.740 change. The younger priests, not so much. Immigration and refugee assistance. Yeah, okay, but you see,

00:23:59.540 it's the boomers who are really focused on that stuff. LGBTQ, all the, but then Eucharistic 0.81

00:24:05.900 devotion, it flips. The boomers don't care. The young people do. Access to the traditional mass, 0.80

00:24:11.080 it flips. And so I don't know, to me, this is all like really, really good stuff on the Catholic side.

00:24:15.260 Are you seeing anything like that reflected on the Protestant side?

00:24:18.700 I don't know about statistics of people going into seminary. I would love to see that because a lot

00:24:26.440 of the seminaries, unfortunately, have been captured. A lot of the Bible colleges have been

00:24:31.200 captured over the past 20 to 30 years, at least with woke light professors and scholars and students

00:24:39.140 going in there. And then, of course, a lot of that accelerated in 2020. But I am seeing, at least

00:24:45.300 among my cohort, a backlash to that, a willingness to call out the institutions, to call out the

00:24:50.360 seminaries, to call out the theologians that have basically been able to preach this stuff with

00:24:54.560 impunity for years and say, no, no, no, that's not true. Look at what scripture says. And I'm

00:25:00.720 encouraged by that. I certainly see a lot of interest among young people, especially over the past month

00:25:05.860 and a half or so, and just learning what the Bible says and reading the Bible and trying to understand

00:25:10.600 it. Of course, a lot of people have been talking about the Charlie effect that, okay, what is this

00:25:15.280 faith that this man died for? If he was willing to sacrifice his life for it, it must be worth

00:25:19.800 looking into. But honestly, as you know, a lot of that stuff had been building up before Charlie's

00:25:25.800 assassination. There was a lot of interest. And when I talk to people, and you've had these kind of

00:25:30.580 conversations too, what surprises me is that so many people nowadays who come to the faith, it's not

00:25:37.320 necessarily because if they first encountered Christ or first encountered goodness, it's because they

00:25:42.300 encountered real evil, either in their own lives or in the world, they looked into the face of

00:25:46.880 darkness. They realized there's something spiritual going on and that's scary. I don't know what all of

00:25:52.240 this is, but I know I don't want to go that direction. That certainly I think is awakening and

00:25:57.160 awakening that's happening. Of course, I'm very hopeful that it will have a positive effect on my

00:26:02.240 evangelical cohort over here. And I'm certainly seeing the rumblings of that, even if I don't have

00:26:08.260 the same statistics about seminaries that you have about the priesthood, which I see as a very good

00:26:13.300 thing, by the way. And I would love to hear at some point your analysis of like why that is. Does

00:26:19.000 it have anything to do with Vatican II? I'm so interested to know why it's gone this direction

00:26:23.560 in the Catholic world. Yeah, I think, you know, the short version of it, though there's a much longer

00:26:27.600 discussion, is councils take a while to implement for good and for bad. You know, councils kind of take,

00:26:34.460 these things don't just like happen overnight. And there were all these insane reforms that

00:26:38.560 followed the council to like totally upend the mass. And you had all these like 1970s libs just

00:26:44.240 screwing up everything. It was just awful. And so then you get this kind of hangover and then

00:26:50.560 reality starts to reassert itself. And you're seeing that all work out. And it's the great

00:26:55.300 conservative consolation that like reality comes back, you know, and the gods of the copybook

00:26:59.600 headings come back. Yeah, I think that's it. You know, I mean, I think we're seeing that now play

00:27:05.600 out, especially the young Catholics are, you know, to the right of Genghis Khan. And they're like, 0.99

00:27:09.080 they want the truth. I am hearing this from my Protestant friends, not just you, but, you know,

00:27:14.180 Meg Basham had her big bestselling book on kind of the screwy pastors. And even in the mainline

00:27:21.940 Protestants, like the Reconquista movement, you know, American Reformer has been big behind that.

00:27:26.800 So it's like something is obviously going on here. But to your point on the occult,

00:27:32.660 even that, ironically, I think when people encounter evil, when they encounter real sin,

00:27:38.280 that's undeniable. It's so tangible. It's so manifest. Not only does that point people to Christ

00:27:44.280 as salvation, but I think it points them to a much more orthodox kind of religion. In my experience,

00:27:52.800 woke pastors don't really speak that much about spiritual warfare. They don't really speak that

00:27:59.800 much about, you know, spiritual acts of mercy or, you know, the importance of the not so social

00:28:07.820 justice-y things. You know, it's really easy to be an NGO and say, we need to like feed poor people.

00:28:12.020 You know, it's good. It's good to feed poor people. But when the rubber meets the road and we talk about

00:28:17.080 like devils and stuff, the kind of woo-woo, happy-clappy people, they don't really want to get

00:28:22.560 into that. It's the hardcore, orthodox, faithful, traditional guys. They're the ones who are speaking

00:28:28.740 about that reality. Yeah. And I can't speak to why that, you know, exists in the Catholic world,

00:28:36.880 because I know social justice has long been like a big thing in the Catholic world, the social gospel

00:28:42.260 and all of that. And we certainly do have that in evangelicalism. And one thing that I will tell

00:28:46.200 you is that it's not only that they have a different view of God, a different view of man,

00:28:50.460 a different view of sin, a different view of salvation, but also a different view of eschatology

00:28:55.820 and what it means to advance the kingdom of God and what a new heaven and a new earth really look

00:29:00.880 like. And we won't get into all of that, but they truly believe these kind of so-called social

00:29:05.760 justice Christians, that they are manifesting the kingdom of God here on earth and that that will be

00:29:10.980 a political reality in which everyone will have equal outcomes. And so that is why when you start

00:29:17.420 talking about spiritual warfare and things going on in the heavenly places, the principalities that

00:29:22.780 Ephesians 6 talks about, they roll their eyes because they think that might be a metaphor. Maybe

00:29:27.500 that's an allegory. Like that's not something they're interested in. They are interested in maneuvering

00:29:32.580 politically to gain enough power to, you know, create their multicultural utopia here on earth that

00:29:39.260 they think that they are responsible for. So yeah, it's deep and really messed up. And like we said,

00:29:45.740 a lot of it starts, unfortunately, with the capture of the seminaries.

00:29:49.220 I am reminded of the quote by Richard Niebuhr, who says that modern religion is,

00:29:54.180 a God without wrath, leading a people without sin into a kingdom without judgment through the

00:29:58.920 ministrations of a Christ without a cross. Pretty much sums it up. Now I want to get to,

00:30:03.400 speaking of religion, I want to get to the Muslims and the Jews in a second, 0.95

00:30:06.240 because the students for justice in Palestine are, they're getting bloodthirstier than usual.

00:30:11.620 And obviously that Gaza war seems to be wrapping up, maybe sort of, kind of, I don't know. But

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00:31:42.160 The Students for Justice in Palestine, which is one of the pro-Palestine groups on campus,

00:31:46.780 probably the biggest one. The national organization just posted a poster that says,

00:31:54.540 Long live Salah al-Jab. I can't read behind him, and I don't know how to pronounce his name properly. 0.98

00:32:01.200 But I don't know. He's some jihadi. And then it says, death to the occupation,

00:32:08.140 death to collaborators. Is it fair to say? I actually don't know who this guy is,

00:32:12.220 so maybe it's not fair to say he's a jihadi. I don't know. He has the look, but maybe not.

00:32:15.960 Forget about who that guy is. What about just the slogan? Death to the occupation.

00:32:22.800 Okay, I get so death to Israel, but as Students for Justice in Palestine say that a lot. 0.99

00:32:28.460 Death to collaborators. So that means death to the Gazans who are not totally on board with 0.95

00:32:35.160 Hamas, I guess. Because Hamas right now, after the ceasefire and after the peace deal's kind of 0.62

00:32:40.060 underway, Hamas is going door to door and pulling people out, Gazans, and killing them 0.89

00:32:45.600 because they're accusing them of collaborating with Israel or the West or whatever. And I don't

00:32:49.780 know. I have the least popular view on the Israel-Palestine conflict in that I broadly

00:32:54.640 support Israel, but I criticize Israel pretty intensely sometimes. And I am sympathetic to 1.00

00:33:01.180 the Palestinian people. My personal interest is really just in the Christian holy sites and the

00:33:05.540 broader cause of justice. But I have no misconception that we're going to have a coalition with people

00:33:12.740 we've been fighting for 1,400 years. So anyway, that satisfies no one and offends everybody.

00:33:17.240 What is the proper Christian view on this kind of statement, on this conflict broadly? I know

00:33:23.800 there are some Christians who are slavishly pro-Israel, the nation state of Israel. There are

00:33:29.280 some Christians who hate the nation state of Israel. I don't know. What are we supposed to think?

00:33:32.800 Yeah. So I'm not a dispensationalist. I think some people who aren't as familiar with the different

00:33:40.680 eschatologies out there assume that everyone who is Protestant, evangelical, everyone who grew up

00:33:47.220 Southern Baptist is dispensationalist. I know a lot of people who are, and they've got their biblical

00:33:51.640 arguments for that.

00:33:53.300 And also, Ali, can you explain to me, I'm not being cute. I don't really have a good definition

00:33:58.080 of dispensationalism. Dispensationalism is the one that says the Jews don't need Christ,

00:34:04.400 or some people say that's not an accurate description. It's the one where you get beamed

00:34:09.640 up at some point, or what is it? What does it actually mean? It goes back to John Nelson Darby

00:34:15.120 and the Schofield Bible.

00:34:17.980 There's so many different parts of that. I did an episode on this to try to kind of explain it to

00:34:23.580 people because it is confusing, but it's the belief in dispensations of grace, seven dispensations

00:34:30.000 of grace that were given by God throughout human history and that we see throughout the Bible.

00:34:35.720 And there is the belief within that, that God kind of has a separate plan for Israel, that Israel is

00:34:42.580 still God's chosen people, that when we read the Old Testament and we read the prophecies, that we are

00:34:47.800 still talking about Israel there. That is that belief in that the church is a different covenant,

00:34:53.360 that the church kind of has a different plan. Now, I will say to be charitable, that those people

00:34:59.360 still believe that the Jews have to be saved through Christ. They don't believe that there 1.00

00:35:05.000 is no opportunity for them through Christ. But the reason why sometimes it kind of translates into a

00:35:12.160 lack of evangelism to the Jewish people is because they do believe that there is going to be a separate

00:35:17.460 time in the end times for the Jewish people to specifically hear and accept Christ.

00:35:22.740 And so, yes, there is a rapture in the part of that. I mean, we all believe in the second

00:35:26.820 coming of Christ, of course, but they believe that believers will be raptured up before the

00:35:31.460 tribulation. Tribulation will happen. Jews will have their time to be able to, you know, be specially 1.00

00:35:37.900 evangelized to, and then the believers and Jesus will come back. That's not what I believe. That's not

00:35:43.280 the historic view of eschatology. I mean, we could go on and on about that. But I, of course, believe that

00:35:50.040 all of God's chosen people are God's chosen people through Christ. Whether you are a Jew,

00:35:55.420 whether you are a Gentile, that is God's covenant. God's covenant through the blood of Jesus Christ.

00:36:01.840 And so, I don't even remember exactly what the question, what the question is.

00:36:05.380 Well, then it ties it back into, because there are some people who are dispensational

00:36:09.000 because, and their view of religion leads them to say, well, we have to support the nation state of

00:36:16.060 Israel because the Bible tells us to, basically. And so, there are plenty, look, I don't mean to, 1.00

00:36:22.440 you know, deride these people. There are plenty of people who have that view. On the other hand,

00:36:27.120 there are some people who are Christian and say, actually, the Bible tells me I have to just

00:36:31.540 despise the modern nation state of Israel, or I can't accept it under any terms, or I don't know.

00:36:35.980 And so, well, I don't know. What are we supposed to think?

00:36:38.220 Yeah. Okay. So, I don't think the Christian has any obligation to support the modern state of Israel.

00:36:44.960 I don't believe that they have any biblical responsibility to do that. However, probably

00:36:50.740 like you, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, I think it's a good idea in general.

00:36:55.760 Like, if we have to pick, which I don't say that people have to pick. You can say, you know,

00:36:59.660 I'm not interested in what goes on in the Middle East. Okay. I think there's arguments for why 1.00

00:37:03.700 America should be somewhat interested in that. But if I have to pick, if I have to pick between Israel 0.68

00:37:09.400 and pick between Hamas, yes, in general, I am going to support Israel in that conflict. If I 0.73

00:37:15.500 have to pick a nation that is run by the Jewish people, that is generally democratic and generally

00:37:21.980 respectful, it seems, of the idea of human rights, the more Western-leaning country in the Middle East,

00:37:28.380 versus the barbarians that want to see me dead, then yeah, I'm going to choose Israel. I think that 1.00

00:37:34.280 there's this really weird desire to ally with Islam, like in the Christian right, this belief that,

00:37:41.220 oh, actually, we have more theological commonalities with Islam. Actually, they have a better view of

00:37:46.840 Jesus than the Jewish people do. I think that is so completely wrong and depraved. You actually 1.00

00:37:53.560 don't have to pick. That's kind of like a false choice. You're just a Christian. But it's just not

00:37:58.920 true. This weird idea that somehow Muslims and Christians are going to ally against the forces 0.99

00:38:06.280 of evil, it's not true. It's not real. It's dumb. People seem to forget. As far as politics go,

00:38:12.520 I think it's better to support Israel. Go ahead. Yes. Going back, people forget that the conflict

00:38:18.040 between Christendom and political Islam didn't start 20 years ago or even a few hundred years ago or even

00:38:24.740 the Crusades. It started in 732, really, and it started in Poitiers, which is 150 miles outside

00:38:32.100 of Paris. Not outside of Mecca, not outside of Medina, outside of Paris, because Islam was on 1.00

00:38:36.340 the move, and thankfully, Charlemagne's grandpa booted them out. But they landed in Iberia, and 0.94

00:38:41.120 they were in Iberia for 800 years. And I don't know. There's been a long-term conflict here.

00:38:46.820 And also, to this point, that Islam takes a more favorable view of Christ, I think it's worth

00:38:52.320 remembering. The kind of distinguishing features of Judaism and Islam vis-a-vis Christianity are

00:38:57.980 that Judaism rejects the resurrection, which is too bad, because there's a lot of evidence for 1.00

00:39:02.180 the resurrection, and people should believe in it, even as an ordinance of reason, but also

00:39:07.460 they should believe in it. However, Islam rejects the crucifixion. They say they crucified him not. 0.99

00:39:17.660 And I'm reminded, I'm not as good at quoting chapter and verse as my Protestant friends are, 0.96

00:39:21.680 but I think it's in the letter to the Philippians 3.18, I could be wrong about that,

00:39:25.660 where St. Paul writes, there are many walking now, and I tell you, even weeping, who are enemies of

00:39:30.540 the cross of Christ. Because it occurs to me that Christ conquers death. He doesn't conquer death,

00:39:35.860 actually, in the resurrection, though that's a sign that he's conquered death. He conquers death on

00:39:40.440 the cross. And so, you know, this kind of Gnostic or heretical view of Christ that you see in Islam, 0.95

00:39:46.000 like, okay, I'm happy when people say nice things about my Lord, but they deny the central axis on which

00:39:53.600 the whole world turns. You know, that's not ideal.

00:39:56.340 No, not ideal. And their entire ideology is one that is based on pillaging and destruction.

00:40:08.020 And everywhere they go, they infest the nation with more violence. That's just true. As an ideology,

00:40:15.200 I'm not saying every individual Muslim is violent or in favor of that, but certainly as a religion,

00:40:23.120 as a worldview, it is one of chaos and destruction. And that is, of course, why their nations are the

00:40:29.060 way they are. And to your point, this idea that, oh, just Christians and Muslims have been fighting

00:40:34.340 for the past few years. Even if we look at American history, at the beginning of American history,

00:40:39.740 there was a fight against the Muslims. And I'm just very thankful that Christians then believed in a 1.00

00:40:45.680 muscular Christianity that said, you know, it actually is for love for my neighbor and love for

00:40:52.360 women and children that I'm going to fight against this evil ideology. We have a very neutered 1.00

00:40:57.800 Christianity today that believes that Christ's command to turn the other cheek means that we're

00:41:02.100 not supposed to fight against true oppression. And that is completely wrong. And a lot of people

00:41:06.540 have died because of that faulty belief. Too many pacifists in the church militant,

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00:41:52.900 I want to get to more murder and destruction, but first, my favorite comment yesterday is from

00:41:57.380 Space Dreamer 9000, who says, apparently I'm disabled. Oh, because Ketanji Jackson said black

00:42:02.800 people are disabled. Apparently I'm disabled. Does that mean I can park in the handicap zone now? I 0.91

00:42:07.280 think you can. That's good. When do they get their stickers for their cars? Okay, Allie, real quick

00:42:12.180 before I let you go. President Trump is, you know, if you listen to the liberal media,

00:42:18.420 he's sending in the 101st Airborne to, you know, conquer American cities. It's kind of silly because 0.79

00:42:22.560 they're American cities, so obviously the federal government has some interest in this. No one ever

00:42:27.240 objected on the left when, you know, Eisenhower and Kennedy were sending in the National Guard to

00:42:31.920 desegregate schools. But now that President Trump is trying to stop the rampant murder in places like

00:42:37.160 Chicago, that's apparently a bridge too far. Here is what President Trump had to say on crime in

00:42:42.000 Chicago. I used to watch these cities with the murders. Chicago recently had one deal where they

00:42:50.240 had 11 murders in one weekend, and they said, well, yeah, but it was a holiday weekend. They

00:42:54.180 actually told me that was the reason, like it was okay, because it was a holiday. It was Labor Day.

00:42:59.120 These people are the worst. First of all, I love the whole bit, you know, you know, these people,

00:43:04.040 let me tell you about these people. You know, you all know my doctor, Dr. Vinnie Boombats?

00:43:07.280 And then, you know, he says, these people, they tell me, well, it was a holiday, you know, like,

00:43:11.960 come on, give us a break. We were just celebrating by killing our friends. Is it, I know there's some 0.76

00:43:16.000 people on the right who say, this is an overreach, and this is a threat to federalism, and we don't,

00:43:20.900 well, imagine if the shoe were on the other foot, and if we do this now, then when the Democrats

00:43:23.920 take power, they're going to use the government to blah, blah, blah. You can tell my view of this argument.

00:43:28.140 Should we be, should we have any trepidation about this? Is there any legitimate reason

00:43:32.460 to oppose Trump sending, sending in the National Guard to stop the murders and the chaos?

00:43:40.060 No, I think it's actually exactly what we were talking about. Not in the sense of like muscular

00:43:45.060 Christianity per se, but in a muscular fight against evil. I mean, this is peace through strength,

00:43:53.820 and you shouldn't have to do this when it comes to domestic violence. But unfortunately,

00:44:00.100 we do. Like, do we want to save people's lives or not? Do we care about the poor kids in the

00:44:05.040 poor neighborhoods who are getting slaughtered or not? And I wish it didn't come to this. That's my

00:44:09.760 regret. My regret isn't that Trump is doing what he can to fight crime. My regret is that we got to

00:44:15.520 the point to where the federal government is looking at once beautiful and safe American cities and

00:44:20.380 saying, well, that's a disaster. And on behalf of the vulnerable people who live there, I guess we have

00:44:25.240 to do something. And the people in charge there should be embarrassed. They should be embarrassed

00:44:29.940 that that is necessary. And that's why they're reacting the way they are. They're insecure about

00:44:34.500 their ineptitude when it comes to their leadership. And I think Trump is looking good. I know that

00:44:40.560 progressives don't agree with me there, but I love it.

00:44:43.440 I love it. I love it. And even, you know, you talk about Chicago. It's an American city. And I think

00:44:48.040 we need our cities to be nice. I think that's a national understanding of the country. There's nothing

00:44:53.460 contrary to federalism or the constitution and that. I don't even like Chicago. I do like American

00:44:59.020 cities, even though they're almost all liberal. I love New York. I love DC. I love Boston to some

00:45:04.440 degree. I even love Los Angeles, Gamora by the sea. I really, I do like a lot of these. I don't

00:45:09.200 like Chicago. Chicago does nothing for me. I don't like the casseroles that they call pizzas. And I

00:45:13.320 don't, it just doesn't do that much for me. Still, we shouldn't have 11 people getting murdered

00:45:17.680 over a weekend. We shouldn't have, you know, two people getting murdered every day on average.

00:45:21.180 We should, it's like, come on, it's a city. We got to do it. Okay. Uh, before I let you go

00:45:24.860 also this time, promise I let, I know you're very busy, but before I let you go, I have to

00:45:28.840 compliment you, your performance on Jubilee on surround. I've done Jubilee. A lot of our friends

00:45:34.600 have done Jubilee. Charlie did Jubilee. Uh, and it can be fun. Some people have done well. Some people

00:45:41.060 have not done well. Uh, it's two hours. And if you screw up even 90 seconds of it, that's the clip

00:45:47.060 that's going to go viral and you're going to, you could lose your career. So it's a high pressure

00:45:51.000 environment. You were magnificent. You were excellent. You're just a little taste of it.

00:45:58.740 Okay. What I think is toxic empathy. And this will probably unleash a can of worms, which will be fun.

00:46:03.680 If I feel so deeply that someone who sits across from me says, you know what? I was assigned male at

00:46:09.780 birth, but I am trapped in the wrong body. And I am, I identify as a girl. Okay. I would say that

00:46:16.220 feeling so deeply how that person feels that you get to the point of affirming their identity and

00:46:21.760 saying, yes, you are the opposite sex. The Bible doesn't condemn transgender. Let's get there.

00:46:27.340 Hang on. That is an example of what I would say is empathy that has turned toxic because you are

00:46:34.100 affirming something that is not true and is destructive for the individual. If it's not true,

00:46:38.320 then you're saying that God is not sovereign because he did not. Of course he is. He made

00:46:41.960 their body with purpose from the moment of conception. Then he also created their mind with

00:46:45.640 purpose. Biology is their identity. Their mind is their identity, their consciousness, because biology

00:46:49.920 is not an individual. No. I mean. That's not a biblical idea. To separate your identity and your

00:46:55.400 spirit from your body is dualism. That's more of a kind of a Gnostic idea, not a biblical idea.

00:47:00.380 We see in Genesis 1 27 that God created us male and female. We don't see any other category or

00:47:05.320 possibility to identify as something other than what you biologically are. So I would say it is

00:47:10.300 toxically empathetic to feel so deeply how someone feels that you affirm the lie that you can be born

00:47:15.340 in the wrong body. Be still my beating heart. It was so good. You can't pick just one clip. There's so

00:47:20.780 many others where you're hitting chapter and verse and then political philosophy and anthropology and

00:47:24.940 all cool as a cucumber, totally unflappable. The reason I bring it up is not just to puff you up,

00:47:29.940 though it was marvelous. I noticed something in the participants, which is when I did the show,

00:47:38.080 you know, I think I did well. I think I won the arguments and everything. But for most of the

00:47:44.760 people there, I did not persuade them. Maybe 20 years from now, but I don't think I persuaded

00:47:49.760 them in the moment. I might have persuaded the audience, but not them. I think if you just look at

00:47:55.380 their faces, you kind of persuaded some of them. And I think it was, it was so weird about the

00:48:01.640 episode is they, not only were you nice and gracious to them, they sometimes even were nice

00:48:07.860 and gracious to you. Is that, is there a shift? Is there an earthquake happening?

00:48:13.360 Yes. And I'm sorry, there's some noise in the background that I can't control right now,

00:48:16.660 but hopefully you can hear me. Okay. Yes, it was. And actually, I don't know why,

00:48:21.160 but Jubilee cut this out. My first opponent or participant who sat down, this was the day before

00:48:27.840 Charlie's memorial. And he sat down and before we started, he said, I am so sorry about your friend,

00:48:33.480 Charlie. And two or three more participants did the same thing. And I had already made it my aim to try

00:48:39.860 to out kindness. Then that was one thing I had been saying. I was like, I'm going to try to out

00:48:43.560 compassion them and charm them and all of this stuff. But truly they did the same to me. Not all of them.

00:48:49.300 Some of them were aggressive and hard to talk to, but more of them were kind and soft and gentle.

00:48:56.640 And I don't know if everyone just kind of, there was like a little bit of sympathy in the room

00:49:01.040 because they understood that this was the weekend that we were going to go to Charlie's memorial and

00:49:05.660 that I was friends with Charlie. I don't know, but the producers even remarked on it after they were

00:49:10.740 like, we've never had a Jubilee like this. And maybe it's also because these people identified

00:49:16.500 as Christians. And so there was something there that they wanted to represent their Christianity

00:49:21.020 well. Yeah. But I definitely tried to, like my biggest thing that I would say is that I tried to

00:49:27.740 go back to my like strengths every time. If they tried to veer off the reservation into something that

00:49:33.620 I didn't know about and that happened multiple times, just go back to the claim and where you feel

00:49:38.460 like you can properly defend yourself.

00:49:40.220 I did wonder if a difference between, you know, I did an episode, it was LGBT activists

00:49:45.320 and yours were liberal Christians and liberal Christian is a contradiction in terms because

00:49:51.600 liberalism is an ideology that is in conflict with Christianity. And so, you know, sometimes

00:49:57.920 they can kind of uneasily go together, but the problem for someone like Joe Biden, who would

00:50:02.800 be a liberal Christian? The problem is when the liberalism and the Christianity do come into 0.51

00:50:06.900 conflict, like on abortion, say the liberalism always wins with Joe Biden, you know, so much

00:50:11.900 so that his administration or administrations he's a part of will like sue nuns and jail pro-lifers

00:50:16.580 and stuff like that. So they just don't, they don't go together. But the fact that these people

00:50:21.260 at least identify as Christian, I do wonder if that inclined them a little more toward charity.

00:50:27.140 Maybe that was it. I hadn't considered the timing of the filming with Charlie. The fact that,

00:50:31.900 you know, I don't know if he would be surprised by it. You know, he knew that cool stuff was

00:50:38.080 happening. I remember, not to reveal private conversations, but there was one time after

00:50:42.200 the election, I said, yo, Charlie, this is, we were at one of the events. I was like, this is pretty

00:50:46.380 crazy, man. You know, we're kind of talking about his role in the party and his influence.

00:50:50.920 And there was a slight acknowledgement of, yeah, it's pretty wild, huh? You know, I was like,

00:50:55.960 whoa, this is pretty, pretty nuts. And so, but I do think even he would have been kind of surprised

00:51:02.240 by the national and even global effects of his, of his murder. You know, the fact that he could

00:51:09.400 make the, the combatants on Jubilee be nice to Allie Beth Stuckey. I don't know that he would

00:51:14.100 have predicted that. Yeah. You know, I think you're right. And we had talked a lot about this

00:51:20.320 Jubilee debate before I did it. And I was just very thankful for the advice that he gave me. And

00:51:24.720 I would love to hear his like reaction and response to it now. But you're right. I was

00:51:30.580 surprised by that too, because I watched your debate. I watched all these other debates

00:51:34.380 and especially to Charlie, people were so hostile to him. So mean. Like they said terrible things about,

00:51:40.720 you know, stupid stuff about his appearance, about his family. One person said a horrible thing 1.00

00:51:44.740 like about his daughter. And so that's what I was expecting because liberal Christian, as you say,

00:51:50.320 it's a contradiction in terms. I didn't expect the Christianity to change much about the hostility 0.95

00:51:55.580 because I've seen what people like that say about me on the internet. It's no different than the

00:51:59.560 secular progressive, the worst kind of names, the worst kind of threats. But I was like, I was very

00:52:04.340 pleased. I felt like most of them were very respectful. And a lot of liberal Christians just

00:52:10.320 haven't thought about why they believe what they believe. So I can see their wheels turning too.

00:52:14.780 And praise God for that. All we can do is plant seeds and then God does the rest. So we'll see.

00:52:18.960 Totally. There's a great friend of mine who I've been going to his bakery since I was a kid.

00:52:24.640 And he's this Italian guy in the Bronx and, you know, kind of born again. He's like a born

00:52:29.420 again, you know, evangelical Catholic, but he goes to daily mass, but he kind of has the affect of

00:52:34.960 like an evangelical Protestant. And he wears an I love Jesus hat. He goes, hey, buddy, boy,

00:52:40.080 I do my best and God does the rest. That's what I do. Allie, magnificent is always to see you.

00:52:44.840 If you're not listening to Relatable, you should be doing that. It's crazy that you're not.

00:52:48.560 If you haven't seen Allie on Jubilee, you got to go watch the whole thing and just follow her

00:52:52.360 generally everywhere. Allie, always a delight. Thank you. Thank you, Michael.

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The Michael Knowles Show - October 17, 2025

Ep. 1838 - Make America Pregnant Again

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