The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1840 - Trump Is Winning The Shutdown Fight

00:00:00.000 We live in extraordinary times. We can communicate across the world in real time.

00:00:05.020 We can travel to outer space. But most impressive of all,

00:00:09.820 Republicans are finally winning a government shutdown fight.

00:00:14.000 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:30.000 Welcome back to the show. We have the chief of staff from the Department of Justice. He just left

00:00:40.240 the DOJ. He is stopping by the show to give us the update on all of Trump sending in the National

00:00:45.660 Guard and all the court fights, a little bit of Jeffrey Epstein. We're getting it all

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00:02:31.380 They said it couldn't be done. This was a moonshot. I know some opinions vary on the internet about the

00:02:38.900 moon, but actually it doesn't matter, regardless of what you think happened with the moon, because

00:02:43.660 this is more impressive. Republicans have never won a government shutdown fight ever in the entire

00:02:49.400 history of the law of government, going back to Imperial Athens, going back to King Tut and the 0.86

00:02:57.840 Code of Hammurabi. Republicans always lose the shutdown fight. And you know how much I hate to

00:03:02.020 say I told you so. You will recall when the government was about to be shut down because of

00:03:07.320 Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries and the Democrats. I said, I think they're overplaying their hand. I think

00:03:12.140 this is a little bit different. Trump won the popular vote. Trump has unified government.

00:03:16.260 No one can seriously be duped into thinking that the Republicans shut down this government. Well,

00:03:20.780 you don't just need to take my accurate word for it. Here is CNN.

00:03:25.860 That's exactly right. Turns out shutdowns are different the second time around when it comes

00:03:30.340 to Donald Trump. Take a look here. You know, we speak about Donald Trump shutdowns,

00:03:34.720 net approval rating. We're talking 20 days into it. In 2018 slash 2019, Donald Trump's net approval rating

00:03:40.320 was already falling. The shutdown was eating into his popular support. It was down three points

00:03:45.800 already at this particular point and would fall considerably more. It was very much on the

00:03:50.000 decline. You come over to this side of the screen. This shutdown hasn't eaten into Donald Trump's

00:03:54.560 support at all. His net approval rating is actually up a point in terms of his popular support. So the

00:04:01.860 bottom line is this. The first shutdown during Trump's first term, 2018, 2019, was hurting Donald Trump.

00:04:07.240 This one is not hurting him at all. There's no real reason Donald Trump might say, at least when it

00:04:11.980 comes to popular support, I want to get out of this shutdown. What about the question of blame?

00:04:15.640 Yeah. Okay. What about the question of blame? Okay. You see here, you see Donald Trump's net

00:04:19.340 approval rating was down 2018 to 2019. You talk about 2025 as net approval rating is up. It comes down

00:04:25.420 to the blame game, a game I loved to play when I was younger. Blame Trump for the shutdown a great deal.

00:04:30.520 In 2018 slash 2019, 61 percent more than three in five Americans blame Trump a great deal for that

00:04:36.720 particular shutdown. You come over to this side of the screen. Look at this. It's a different world.

00:04:42.520 It's a different world. What did I tell you? What did I tell you?

00:04:47.760 Something, a lot of people could not see this coming because people believe that past is always

00:04:52.520 precedent in politics. And one of the key features on the left and the right of the pundits who always

00:04:59.000 get everything wrong and then they keep getting everything wrong. The key feature is a failure of

00:05:04.680 political imagination. And I go back to a quote frequently from Cardinal Manning who says,

00:05:09.860 there is a time to come that will confound the confident judgments of men.

00:05:15.840 We have these confident judgments, one of which is to bring it back down to earth and really temporal

00:05:21.900 politics. The Republicans are always going to get blamed for the shutdown. And I said, I don't think

00:05:26.900 so. Trump won the popular vote as a Republican for the first time in 20 years. He got one in five

00:05:32.040 black guys to vote for him. He got almost half of Hispanics. We got 40% of women under the age of 30. 1.00

00:05:36.500 We have an increasing number of young people coming over. I don't think you can use the calculus

00:05:41.960 from 2012, 2008, 2016 for that matter, in 2025. I just don't think it works. The people gave the

00:05:51.880 Republicans, the House, the Senate, the presidency, the Supreme Court. I don't think you can use the

00:05:57.900 calculus of 2012, 2016. Furthermore, not only have the establishment media been pantsed on live TV,

00:06:08.000 not only have they been revealed to be total liars. Many of us have known they're total liars for 0.69

00:06:12.400 decades now. But COVID, I think, especially proved them to be liars. A lot of the Trump presidency when 0.96

00:06:17.740 they got infected with terminal TDS. We'll get to Robert De Niro's latest outburst of TDS because

00:06:23.280 it's really illustrative. But a lot of people saw that. And this ties into 2024 too. They got the

00:06:31.220 election wrong. They were so confident going into 2024 that Trump was going down and Trump was

00:06:38.200 Hitler and he was an existential threat to democracy. And he'd be kicked off the ballot and he needed to 1.00

00:06:42.040 be prosecuted four times. And they had to go raid his wife's linen closet in Mar-a-Lago. And then he

00:06:48.920 wins. And not only does he win, he wins the popular vote. And at that point, it wasn't just the

00:06:53.120 conservatives who tuned them out. It was the liberals who tuned them out. CNN's ratings went

00:06:58.480 down, not because conservatives stopped watching. Conservatives weren't watching at all. MSNBC's

00:07:03.020 ratings went down, all of them. So that had a compounding effect because now you didn't even

00:07:08.720 have these establishment news channels who could sell the lie that the Democrats were innocent in the

00:07:14.540 shutdown and the Republicans were the cause of it. Anyway, the numbers don't lie. CNN, weirdly enough,

00:07:19.440 right now does not lie. They have to grapple with the fact that we're in a different political world.

00:07:24.860 And this cuts both ways, by the way. It cuts to the bright side, which is, well, we might be able

00:07:29.900 to do a lot more with government than we thought. Maybe our country isn't totally lost. Wow, maybe we

00:07:33.160 have a chance to turn things around. It cuts that way. Also, we might have a civil war. We might have a

00:07:38.460 civil war. You know I'm not a catastrophizer. I'm not one of these people who says we're always on the

00:07:43.580 brink of civil war and it's the end of the world. I am not that guy. But I don't want to err too much

00:07:49.800 on the other side either. I don't want to say it can't happen. It can happen. There is a time to come

00:07:55.560 that will reverse the confident judgments of men. And if you, in the year of our Lord, 2025, still

00:08:01.020 suffer from a failure of political imagination, fix it because we are in, as CNN says, a different

00:08:07.920 world. Here's another good example how President Trump is sending in the National Guard to restore

00:08:13.360 order in cities around the country, such as Chicago, such as Portland. And then we hear from

00:08:19.700 the left that this is authoritarian and that's why they have their No Kings protests, the boomiest, 1.00

00:08:26.880 cringiest political protests that we've maybe ever seen in American history. And it's unclear what the

00:08:32.820 protest is about. It can't really be about anything too substantive because Trump is winning popular

00:08:37.460 support on all the substantive issues, crime, immigration, the economy. So it has to be about these

00:08:42.340 abstract issues, authoritarianism, the abuse of power. And one of the chief claims is Trump is

00:08:48.440 usurping power that does not belong to him when he sends the National Guard into the cities. That's

00:08:53.460 the claim by the Democrat governors and the Democrat members of Congress and the Democrat talking heads.

00:08:58.480 He needs to abide by the law. Well, the law just weighed in. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has just ruled

00:09:05.180 that President Trump can send the National Guard into Portland. I feel like I'm on the Maury

00:09:10.680 Povich show. Deshawn, you are the father. The results are in. You are the father. Trump, you are

00:09:17.060 legally allowed to send the National Guard into restore cities in blue cities, to restore safety

00:09:22.280 to blue cities. You can do that. That's what the National Guard is for. I was on Piers Morgan's show,

00:09:27.780 what was it, a week ago? I was talking to a perfectly nice Democrat congressman who was really

00:09:32.280 apparently out of his depth when it comes to the law because he said, Donald Trump is violating the law.

00:09:39.800 When he sends in these National Guard, he's violating the law. I said, well,

00:09:45.120 you know, the law he's citing is the Insurrection Act. The Insurrection Act says that the federal

00:09:50.280 government can send in the National Guard to restore order. So how's he violating the law?

00:09:55.460 He said, it is, it is, it is not allowed to do that. It's illegal. It's breaking the law. I said,

00:10:00.460 how? There's a, I just cited you the law that Trump is using to do that. I said, do you know what

00:10:06.540 that law does? Do you know what that law is? And he couldn't answer the question. Piers and I had a

00:10:11.760 great deal of fun going, going back and forth on it because here you have a legislator, a guy whose

00:10:16.660 job it is to know the law and to make the laws. He didn't even know that. Well, you now have the

00:10:21.460 executive branch saying, yes, this is how the law works. We're allowed to do it. And you have the

00:10:24.900 judiciary. Talk about no kings. Now, now their next, their next protest is going to be no judges

00:10:31.220 either. No executive authority. They got to protest that branch. No judicial authority. They

00:10:38.060 don't like the courts anymore because the courts keep siding with Trump. And we're going to be

00:10:40.880 speaking to the chief of staff of the DOJ later. We're going to get the inside scoop on those court

00:10:45.360 rulings. And then by the way, by the way, the Republicans control the legislature too, right?

00:10:53.100 The Republicans have the house and they have the Senate. The Democrats can obstruct from their

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00:11:01.040 control those houses either. So it's not just that the Democrats are protesting the presidency,

00:11:07.180 no kings. They're also apparently protesting the judiciary and they're also protesting the

00:11:12.900 legislature. They're protesting the entire American government, which is a representative

00:11:16.980 government. It's self-government, which means they're protesting you. They don't like that you

00:11:22.880 unanimously gave power to the Republicans. They don't like that. So they say,

00:11:30.340 absurdly, that it's undemocratic when the people vote for their opponents.

00:11:35.500 It's what it went. Any election that they lose, I guess, is illegitimate, but that's where they're

00:11:39.280 not protesting Trump. They're not protesting a king. They are protesting you. And they're getting

00:11:45.980 very, very nasty about it. Just wait till you hear what the mayor of Chicago just said about this

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00:13:31.360 The people want Trump to restore order. The people vote for Trump to restore order.

00:13:35.860 The courts say that Trump is allowed to restore order. Here's what the mayor of Chicago says.

00:13:40.240 Look, we're already in the mix, right? You know, the president of the United States of America

00:13:45.380 declared war on the city of Chicago. In fact, he's declared war on working people across this

00:13:52.160 country. And in order for us to beat back this tyranny, it's going to take all of us to be organized

00:13:57.540 and to be clear about our demands, making sure that our schools are funded, healthcare is fully

00:14:02.420 funded, transportation, good paying jobs. These are the things that the people of this country

00:14:07.800 desperately need, particularly at a time in which the ultra rich continue to get richer

00:14:12.160 under this administration. Trump has declared war on the city of Chicago by, let me check my notes

00:14:20.080 here, sending in police to stop Chicagoans from being murdered. Is it two Chicagoans a day get

00:14:29.300 murdered? Some weekends it'd be 11 people get murdered over the course of a weekend. And then

00:14:34.120 the city of Chicago says, well, it was a holiday weekend. Trump laughed about this. He said, a

00:14:37.980 holiday, that's your excuse? It's a holiday. For holidays, we let them murder more people. 0.91

00:14:42.700 You have something like a hundred thousand gang members in Chicago. City of Chicago fails to protect

00:14:48.760 the people. The president says, okay, we're going to bring in federal resources to protect Chicagoans

00:14:52.740 from being murdered, specifically from being murdered. And you say that's declaring war on

00:14:57.380 Chicago. You don't even believe that. You know how I know you don't believe that mayor of

00:15:01.460 Chicago? Because what'd you say? You said, in order for us to be back this tyranny, it's going

00:15:08.920 to take us all to be organized and be clear about our demands. Our demands, making sure that our

00:15:16.380 schools are funded, healthcare is fully funded, transportation, good paying jobs. These are the

00:15:20.820 things people desperately need, especially at this time. Okay. Hold on. You're not saying that in order

00:15:27.320 to stop tyranny, you are going to provide the resources to your people. No, no, you're talking

00:15:32.760 about demands. You're not, you know, you're the mayor, right? You know that you're the one who's

00:15:36.760 supposed to be providing these things. He doesn't say that though, because he's not providing those

00:15:41.220 things. He's not providing safety. He's not providing good education. The education is a

00:15:44.880 complete disaster in Chicago. He's not providing anything that he should be doing. So he, all the only

00:15:52.400 thing he can provide are demands of whom? Demands of Trump, demands of the federal government.

00:16:01.280 The guliuns on this guy to say, Trump is declaring war on us by helping us, by doing some of the things

00:16:10.020 that I want him to do, namely make sure our city is safe. But forget about that. He's declaring war on

00:16:16.140 us. I am demanding that he give us more money for more slush projects that I want. How many, just

00:16:26.280 historically speaking, how many warring nations pay for all of their opponents' luxuries and public

00:16:34.640 resources? Does that sound like a war to you? You know, when, when Rome is fighting Carthage, does the,

00:16:42.500 does the mayor of Carthage get up and he say, hey, we hate Rome and we demand that Rome pay for our

00:16:50.200 education and our housing and our transportation. We're very upset at Rome. We don't like Rome. We're

00:16:56.320 at war with Rome, obviously. And that's why they need to give us even more money for the things that

00:17:02.640 we can't provide for ourselves. Is that, is that what happens in war? Is that World War II, Germany said,

00:17:10.180 after Germany declared war on the United States, they said, you will pay for our schools. How dare

00:17:16.380 you? I don't know. It's become kind of a Greta Thunberg accent. That's not the right, I don't

00:17:19.460 know. My accents are, I'm traveling around Central Europe. They're getting a little jumbled. Is that

00:17:23.580 what happened? Did Emperor Hirohito say, oh, you will give us more electric cars. Get us those electric

00:17:31.100 cars. We're at war. No, that's not what warring nations do. He doesn't even believe it. He's the two pit,

00:17:38.520 if there is a tin pot dictator here, it's the mayor of Chicago. He's a two bit failed ruler. 0.90

00:17:44.520 There are plenty of leaders of banana republics who have more legitimacy than this joker.

00:17:48.860 And he's whining and screaming while President Trump does his job for him after winning the

00:17:53.500 popular vote. The TDS is very, very strong. It is, as you know, a very widespread, increasingly

00:17:59.920 less widespread. It's been contained since 2024, but it's still a widespread and fatal disease.

00:18:07.180 Robert De Niro, the actor, has contracted a worse case than just about anyone.

00:18:13.240 Here, it sums up the De Niro view. The De Niro lib view, shared by an unfortunately large number of

00:18:21.860 people, of Donald Trump and how the liberals should treat the conservatives.

00:18:26.160 Trump does not understand anything about humanity, people. He has no empathy. I don't know what he is,

00:18:37.020 but he's an alien. And he wants to hurt this country. It's something deeply psychological in 0.50

00:18:46.040 him. He wants to hurt people. Hold on. You catch it? Did you catch it? I'm going to read it again,

00:18:53.320 just for those in the back, if you didn't hear Raging Bull. Trump does not understand anything

00:18:59.320 about humanity. He has no empathy. I don't know what he is, but he's an alien. He wants to hurt this

00:19:05.160 country. It's deeply psychological. He wants to hurt people. The people who all the time whine and scream

00:19:13.740 about how Trump is dehumanizing, how we dehumanize people. We dehumanize minorities, an increasing

00:19:21.280 number of whom voted for Trump. We dehumanize trans children, a category that does not exist.

00:19:28.400 That's not a real category of people. We dehumanize. Stop. You need to stop dehumanizing

00:19:35.380 people, Trump, because you're not human. Catch that? That's what he's saying. Every accusation

00:19:42.260 is a confession with these people. Trump does not understand anything about humanity. In other words,

00:19:48.000 he is no human. He then goes further. He says, I don't know what he is, but he's an alien. In other

00:19:52.300 words, he's not a human. He wants to hurt people. So he's saying he's already justifying some kind

00:19:58.240 of violence against Trump. It's not quite rising to the level of incitement. So if you say he wants

00:20:03.480 to hurt people. Now, in the context of the left increasingly murdering Republicans, even so much

00:20:10.460 so that even the Atlantic had to admit there's a left-wing terrorism problem now. In that context,

00:20:15.800 this probably does kind of rise to the level of incitement, but forget about that line. Just that

00:20:19.880 first line, Trump does not understand anything about humanity. That is dehumanizing. And that is what

00:20:25.740 the libs do to us. That is why the libs are likely to end friendships over politics in a way that

00:20:31.140 conservatives simply don't. And all of the social scientific data back that up. It's why the libs

00:20:36.820 are unwilling to date people who are conservative in ways that conservatives don't feel the same way.

00:20:42.760 It's why liberals will lose their family members. They'll divorce their families, 0.99

00:20:47.960 disown themselves from their families. Over politics, conservatives generally do not do that.

00:20:52.600 It's why they justify political violence. In part, it is dehumanizing. And it has been true for a long

00:21:00.100 time, though we haven't said it in a while. Maybe it bears repeating that for the libs, because they

00:21:06.700 are unfamiliar, because they're unfamiliar with what we actually believe, because they're just not

00:21:11.040 exposed to it a lot, because the libs own the media and the schools, because the libs generally don't

00:21:18.260 have a sturdy understanding of morality, because liberalism comes down to the maximizing of individual

00:21:23.760 autonomy, and that's about it. And they're generally skeptical of every metaphysical and immaterial

00:21:29.480 reality beyond that. Because they don't have a sturdy conception of reality. Because their views

00:21:35.940 are ultimately out of harmony with reality, so that makes them a little bit angrier. For these reasons,

00:21:43.340 and many more. The left can only come to two conclusions about conservatives. It's either that we're stupid

00:21:50.980 or that we're evil. I'm not the first to say it. It's almost become cliche, but it's pretty good. It's cliche 1.00

00:21:55.880 for a reason. They have to think we're really powerfully stupid, or for those of us who, I don't know, 1.00

00:22:03.400 have a relatively wider vocabulary, or who, you know, have been in positions of power, or gone to elite 1.00

00:22:11.340 institutions, or any... For those who can't just be written off as dumb, stupid bubba sucking his thumb, 1.00

00:22:16.920 they have to conclude that we're evil. You could be the most generous, gracious... Look at Charlie. 1.00

00:22:22.400 Charlie would be a good example of this. They can't really say he's stupid, right? They couldn't really say 1.00

00:22:27.640 it, so he had to be evil. He could be the most gracious, generous guy, peaceful, doesn't matter.

00:22:32.740 He has to be evil, and they have to celebrate his murder at the No Kings protests. Not just like fringe

00:22:37.740 Antifa operatives, elementary school teachers, are going to celebrate his murder and laugh about it 0.56

00:22:42.680 and joke about it at the No Kings rally. They have to do that, and if they do it to him, they do it to

00:22:48.200 all of you. Because for conservatives, the left drives us crazy, and some of them are legitimately

00:22:55.060 very violent and have to be constrained by the law. They have to face social sanction and all the rest of

00:22:59.460 it. But generally, we understand them, and we have an affection for them, at least as our countrymen,

00:23:07.640 at least as our fellow human beings. What De Niro is saying is, no, sorry, you're not even a human

00:23:14.960 being. No surprise. He's just articulating what the left has been conveying with its behavior,

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00:24:54.780 the press though. Pete Hegseth's tie causes diplomatic spat. Pete Hegseth's tie was a Russian

00:25:05.660 tie. That's what the media said. The Secretary of War was accused of wearing the colors of the

00:25:11.140 Russian tricolor during a meeting with Vladimir Zelensky. What the heck? This proves Trump's 0.73

00:25:17.260 been colluding with the Russians. We've suspected it all along. I mean, because that's what the 0.99

00:25:21.580 Democrats cooked up with the FBI to frame President Trump spying his campaign and undermine his

00:25:26.700 administration. He was colluding with the Russians, remember? Here is the proof. Why would the United 0.69

00:25:33.160 States Secretary of War wear the colors of the Russian flag, which are red, white, and blue?

00:25:41.880 Those are the colors of that. Maybe you didn't know. I don't know. Maybe people don't pay attention.

00:25:46.640 What are the colors of the Russian flag? It's red, white, and blue.

00:25:48.800 Why would the Secretary of War in America wear red, white, and blue on his tie? There have been a lot

00:26:00.380 of stupid non-traversies, cooked up BS, including the Russia hoax, obviously. But this one, I think, 0.99

00:26:06.120 takes the cake. Pete had, I kid you not, a pocket square with the literal American flag to compliment

00:26:13.940 his red, white, and blue flag. Russian stooge. Just take note of that little media, 0.90

00:26:21.460 tempest in a teapot. Take note of that. Because that's like every story in the establishment media.

00:26:27.700 And you look at that one, you say, man, that is the dumbest, that is the most ridiculous 1.00

00:26:30.840 stretch nonsense I've ever heard to try to attack the admin. That's all of it. All of it is some 1.00

00:26:38.860 version of, stop the presses. A cabinet secretary wore red, white, and blue. He wants to be in the

00:26:46.740 KGB. So to pull it all back on No Kings. Also British press, Times of London has this story here,

00:26:56.460 which is about the Americans who want monarchy. Where is it? Here we are.

00:27:01.140 Meet the young Americans who want monarchy, but not King Trump. While millions of protesters took

00:27:10.380 to the streets in fear of the future of the Republic, a growing fringe says it is time for

00:27:16.240 an absolute monarchy. And then, I don't know, I guess the story, you can read it. It's kind of funny.

00:27:21.180 But it's about, you know, the American, the monarchists of America, which is this sort of,

00:27:26.980 you know, small club of people who like monarchism, I guess. I don't know, there are a million,

00:27:30.900 political clubs like this in America. And they thought it'd be funny to make a story out of this.

00:27:35.620 These are, I guess, more right-wing monarchists than, you know, like the,

00:27:40.260 they're not calling for a socialist dictator or anything. They're calling for a traditional

00:27:43.340 monarchy. Okay. Look at all this crazy, how crazy is that? That's the subtext here.

00:27:48.200 How crazy is that? There are people on the right who want a king. How crazy is that?

00:27:53.980 And you got these people on the left, they're protesting against a king because Trump wants to be a

00:27:58.640 king, allegedly. There's no evidence of that. He wants to be a king. How crazy is that? Oh,

00:28:03.100 crazy. It's so crazy, right? It's not crazy. It's actually not crazy. Like, we're not going to have

00:28:10.860 a crown and a scepter. And I don't think the monarchist club of America is going to become a

00:28:15.480 major political party anytime soon. But you know why it's not crazy that we would have a king in America?

00:28:20.160 Okay. Because the American president today is more powerful than any monarch ever in the history of

00:28:30.040 the world, including all the Caesars, including Octavian, including Charlemagne, including the

00:28:38.000 aforementioned King Tut. The American president today is the king of the world. There are other

00:28:46.600 systems with houses of legislature, like our Congress, but you know, parliaments and things,

00:28:50.880 where the parliament is the central body of the government. That is not true in America. It's

00:28:56.400 not even supposed to be true in America, despite some kind of 20th century libertarian types arguing

00:29:02.120 for it. That's not true. We have a strong executive. That has been true since George Washington.

00:29:08.560 You see it get beefed up in Andrew Jackson. You see it really get beefed up in Abraham Lincoln,

00:29:13.740 whose memorial, not just coincidentally, is him sitting as Zeus in a temple. FDR was as clearly

00:29:21.900 a monarch as ever there was. And it's just in, it's not, I'm not even just beating up on FDR.

00:29:28.980 That is just in the DNA of the presidency. And furthermore, monarchy is a type of regime.

00:29:39.080 There's monarchy, there's aristocracy, there's democracy, there are bad forms of that too,

00:29:42.140 that don't govern for the common good. They govern for private interests. So we call them

00:29:45.280 tyranny or oligarchy or mob rule. But people are going to read this. They're going to say,

00:29:50.480 there are some Americans who want to be a king or want monarchy or who, how crazy is that?

00:29:56.020 I think actually, talk about failure of political imagination. The more ridiculous utopian view 0.97

00:30:02.240 is to think that there will never be a king in America. First of all, there have been kings in 0.84

00:30:05.860 America. There was Bourbon territory. There was Habsburg territory in America, right? 0.59

00:30:13.000 There will be a time to come that will reverse the confident judgments of men.

00:30:21.000 And it's particularly ironic in this story because for all intents and purposes, we have a king. As I've

00:30:28.620 frequently noted on this show, we have something called AFRICOM. That's the African command of the

00:30:34.600 American military. And comms like all over. We run the whole world and power largely resides in one

00:30:46.000 man. And we don't call him a king, we call him a president. Well, guess what? The first Roman emperor,

00:30:51.180 Caesar Augustus, he didn't call himself a king or an emperor either. Princeps is the first,

00:30:57.420 the first of the citizens. Okay. Now, speaking of everything old being new again,

00:31:01.900 apparently the CIA is doing coups in Latin America again. I'm cool with it, actually. I know it's

00:31:07.820 politically correct to hate the CIA and everything. And CIA has done some bad things. But I don't know,

00:31:12.960 I actually think, I think this is the way to bring the left and the right together. One of the ways

00:31:17.480 is to stop wasting our resources in the Middle East and fighting all these kind of ideological wars,

00:31:23.420 wars that are not exactly in American interest, and just get back to doing what America does well.

00:31:27.240 Well, we've been doing well since the 19th century, which is doing coups in Latin America. I think we

00:31:33.220 need to get back to that. I don't know that we have time to get to it though, because I want to

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00:33:45.500 yesterday is from Harrison the Gray, who says, Michael Knowles, be careful what you put in your

00:33:50.700 ears. Also Michael Knowles, like Sabrina Carpenter slop. Hey, I'm just saying, not that I listen to a lot

00:33:56.320 of pop popular music, but when I listen to pop music, if I'm forced to listen to current pop music,

00:34:03.960 I think Sabrina is one of the more interesting artists out there. Okay. And I, I happen to be

00:34:10.200 correct. Now, finally, I'm very excited. I just sat down with, uh, Chad Mizell, who was the chief of

00:34:17.140 staff, number one staffer in charge over at the Department of Justice. Very, very hot issues

00:34:23.260 coming up at the deportations and the raids on the cities. And obviously Jeffrey Epstein,

00:34:28.540 we talk about all of it right now. Deportations, prosecutions, corrupt Democrats being held to

00:34:36.680 account finally for some of the things that they've been doing for the last decade. All that and more,

00:34:44.180 maybe a little tea on the Epstein files. I'm so pleased to be joined by Chad Mizell, who was the

00:34:49.260 chief of staff at the DOJ until about three seconds ago, finally now catching his breath after serving

00:34:56.500 in one of the more thankless jobs in government with all of the heat directed at, uh, at the Trump

00:35:01.960 administration. Chad, thank you for coming on the show. Michael, thanks for having me. Great to be

00:35:07.280 here. Okay. I want to run down everything that the DOJ has been doing. The, the, I guess the newsiest

00:35:12.400 part is that, uh, Comey, Letitia James, uh, number of other people have been indicted and are being

00:35:21.160 prosecuted for their alleged misdeeds. And according to the liberal media, this is an upending of standards

00:35:27.100 and norms, a complete, uh, end to our political order and a partisan lawfare from an authoritarian

00:35:33.980 to take down his enemies. Is that, is that right? Because that's what it's written in the New York

00:35:38.920 Times and, and elsewhere, at least broadly. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. The first, uh, you know,

00:35:46.660 person to ever prosecute, uh, their political opponent, uh, the first person to ever spy on the

00:35:51.660 campaign of their political opponent, uh, the first person to actually on the eve of their political

00:35:56.320 opponent coming into office, changing some of the intelligence about that political opponent

00:36:01.280 in an attempt to undermine that political opponent's entire presidency all under Donald J. Oh, wait,

00:36:07.440 no, no, no, no. Sorry. That was Biden and Obama. Wasn't that? That is the kind of stuff that they've

00:36:12.880 gotten used to. And frankly, for too long, it's the kind of stuff that Republicans allowed. I think one

00:36:18.720 of the, the novel things is that Trump in 47, he's not putting up with that anymore. He knows the city.

00:36:24.660 He knows the games. He's not new to it. And we're just not letting that stuff happen.

00:36:29.540 It's also striking me that, you know, for the libs now who really enjoyed sewing, they don't enjoy

00:36:34.520 reaping, uh, for them, they say, we, we need to maintain the, this political order that, uh, does not

00:36:41.540 see politicians being prosecuted or whatever. And I think, well, look, you're, you're the ones who upended

00:36:46.360 the standards and the norms. And, and to hold you to account is not merely retribution, though you

00:36:52.660 deserve it. It's also a way to get back to the old standard that we had, which is, you didn't see a

00:36:59.360 lot of these kinds of prosecutions, but you're, you're never going to get back to that with one

00:37:03.360 side unilaterally disarming and letting one political party get away with all sorts of crimes

00:37:08.560 and misdeeds. Even, even if your goal is to reduce prosecutions of government officials, the only way

00:37:15.140 you're going to do that is, is put down the kumbaya guitar and actually hold the people to account who

00:37:20.020 have been, who have been screwing up the norms in the first place. That's exactly right. You can't

00:37:24.580 have a system where only one party is allowed to, uh, uh, break the law and get away with it.

00:37:29.900 Another party for not breaking the law, uh, for just being disliked really for, for doing stuff that

00:37:36.420 is outside the political norms, or at least outside of most people's common experience of what those

00:37:41.000 political norms are. You know, we can get back into historical examples because I actually think

00:37:45.520 everything president Trump is doing is well grounded in history. Um, but even still, if you think about

00:37:51.020 modern terms, Hey, he doesn't look like George W. Bush. He doesn't look like H W. Bush. Therefore,

00:37:56.540 we don't like it, right? That is not the standard by which we operate the department of justice.

00:38:00.560 That is not the standard by which we should be fighting in there for too long. Republicans have

00:38:05.800 just allowed that to happen. And that's one of the things that we have to stop, right? I look at the

00:38:11.220 timeline too. And this is something that's really impressive. I look at the Biden administration

00:38:16.660 coming after Trump officials and Trump related officials, right? Days after inauguration, it was

00:38:22.980 about 296 days when they indicted Steve Bannon, about 500 days when they indicted your Navarro 502 days

00:38:30.420 when they indicted, uh, the leader of the proud boys for J6 seditious conspiracy and nearly 900 days

00:38:36.280 after inauguration Biden coming into office, they, uh, uh, indicted Donald J. Trump. What is the Trump

00:38:43.320 DOJ doing under Pam Bondi? Um, 113 days in, they already prosecuted a judge who was trying to help

00:38:51.160 an illegal alien evade ICE outside of her courtroom. James Comey after 248 days, members of Antifa charging

00:38:59.320 them with material support to terrorism, 268 days. Uh, Letitia James, 268 days, John Bolton,

00:39:05.480 269 days. I mean, the, the amount of wins that DOJ is racking up is incredible. On top of that,

00:39:13.400 four on the FBI's most wanted list taken down in the first four quarters of the Trump administration,

00:39:18.920 where it took Biden four years to get just as many results. Law enforcement is coming to America.

00:39:24.700 Justice is being served. That's what Trump promised. And that's what Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche,

00:39:28.980 everybody at DOJ is doing.

00:39:30.140 So now that you're out of government, I'll ask for your political analysis here. Do you think that

00:39:35.900 someone like a James Comey or a Letitia James will actually face consequences? Obviously just being

00:39:41.560 indicted is a consequence, uh, in itself, but are we going to see James Comey in an orange jumpsuit or

00:39:47.460 no? Is some judge going to let him off the hook?

00:39:49.460 Yeah. Like these cases are, are hard cases, but like, let's walk through how these things work.

00:39:57.300 One, just being indicted, right? Having a jury, uh, a grand jury come in and say,

00:40:02.340 there's probable cause to think someone's committed a crime. Then you have to go through

00:40:05.380 the process of hiring a lawyer. You're going through all of that. Again, think about what

00:40:09.400 happened to the countless people who were not indicted during the, the J6. Um, myself being one of 1.00

00:40:16.660 these people, right? Hundreds, hundreds of former political, uh, appointees during, um, uh, Trump 45

00:40:24.360 had to hire big law firms at the cost of tens of thousands. Some people paid hundreds of thousands

00:40:29.100 of dollars, uh, for legal representation. You're having to search all of your emails,

00:40:33.600 all of your text messages, turning those over to Jack Smith and his cronies,

00:40:37.600 turning it over to other law enforcement who's knocking on your door, right? Just going through

00:40:42.300 that process intimidated so many people, hundreds of good people. Many of my friends who said, you

00:40:47.980 know what? I don't really want to serve in government again because of what they put us

00:40:50.860 through. And so actually going through and saying, well, wait a second, this guy lied to Congress and

00:40:56.080 he lied to Congress about his attempts to undermine Donald J. Trump and the presidency. We are going to

00:41:01.580 hold him to account. Now what ultimately, you know, 12 of his peers decides to do, who knows,

00:41:07.500 right? Like, uh, anytime you, uh, um, go in front of a jury of your peers, we don't know what's going

00:41:12.320 to happen, but are we doing the right thing by holding them to account? Absolutely. Absolutely.

00:41:16.380 Yeah. I, I totally agree. You mentioned your, your old boss, Pam Bondi. Bondi, it seems to me more

00:41:21.440 than almost any other admin official has, has caught some flack from the right, uh, for a whole host of

00:41:27.440 reasons. And people sometimes get, you know, they're angry that things aren't moving quickly enough.

00:41:30.880 As you point out, you know, DOJ has moved quickly on a lot of fronts. The biggest hit I've seen

00:41:35.820 on, on the attorney general, it pertains to the Epstein investigation and the list and the people

00:41:42.040 and the prosecutions. What's the fact, what's the fiction, where does it stand? What can we,

00:41:46.520 what can we expect? So this is, this is interesting because this is something that I came into the

00:41:53.560 administration hearing a lot about, but not personally knowing a ton about, right? Uh, a lot

00:41:58.160 of our friends, a lot of your friends, a lot of people who, you know, who are in the speaking circuit,

00:42:02.420 we're talking a ton about this. And these are people I've listened to often. These are people

00:42:06.680 I believe. And so even before I saw the first piece of evidence in Epstein, I already went in

00:42:11.880 thinking, okay, here's what I'm going to find. There's going to be a black book. There's going

00:42:16.640 to be a treasure trove. There's going to be tons of videos, uh, documents everywhere, security camera

00:42:22.320 footage, footage of, of, of, of, you know, people on yachts, et cetera. Michael, we didn't find any of

00:42:27.920 that, right? There was no black book. There was no, uh, video evidence. There was no security

00:42:33.540 footage showing hundreds of random men, including potentially famous men going to parties with

00:42:39.080 underage girls and sleeping with those girls. Like none of it existed. Nobody would want to 0.82

00:42:44.040 prosecute pedophiles more than Pam Bondi. No one wants to prosecute like bad dudes, perverts. People 0.99

00:42:51.260 are abusing women more than your leadership team at DOJ, including Todd Blanche, the deputy,

00:42:56.440 including Cash Patel, including Dan Bongino. Everybody wants to go after these guys,

00:43:01.620 but we just don't have evidence. This isn't the case like Letitia James, where we have a signed

00:43:06.500 document saying, no, no, no, this is going to be my second home. Instead, I'm actually going to use

00:43:10.360 that as a vacation rental. This isn't the case of like John Bolton, where we go into his house and

00:43:14.980 find thousands of pages of classified information that he should not have had. And was sending by the

00:43:20.220 way over email servers, it's like AOL and Google. Like this isn't that case. We just don't have any

00:43:25.500 evidence. If there was evidence, we would go after them. And when you listen to some of the

00:43:30.440 detractors, they don't have evidence either. They have theories. They have conspiracies. They have

00:43:35.700 conjectures. They have, you know, hypotheses. All good. All very interesting. You know, now listen to

00:43:43.260 it a lot more. And I understand where they're coming from. And I see, hey, there's a missing

00:43:47.900 minute over here. That's suspicious. Yeah, it is. There's this thing over here. That's suspicious.

00:43:52.720 Yeah, that is suspicious. Like, how did these things all work together? I don't quite know.

00:43:58.220 But when it comes time to proving your case in front of a court, you still have anything.

00:44:02.940 So if there's, if the issue is there's no hard evidence on this, you know,

00:44:07.740 does one conclude from that that, well, look, maybe these guys just simply were not, you know,

00:44:13.600 going to these parties and sleeping with these girls? Or does one conclude, look, maybe this stuff

00:44:18.280 was happening, but the evidence just isn't there and we can't go on it. And you mentioned the missing

00:44:22.500 minute. To me, that is the most eye-opening. I'm pretty placid. I don't really jump to all the

00:44:29.500 extreme conspiracy theories. But the missing minute and then the changing story, to me, I said, okay,

00:44:34.260 something is up here. But is the point just, look, maybe something is up. We just don't have it.

00:44:40.600 We just don't know what it is. Right. I've never said that somebody hasn't destroyed evidence.

00:44:48.400 I've not seen any proof that that's happened. I've never said that the Biden administration

00:44:52.880 didn't bury a couple things, that, you know, some of the agents who were initially working the case,

00:44:58.320 you know, something may have happened, something got lost. I've never said any of that. I don't

00:45:02.800 think Pam Bondia said that. I don't think Todd Blanchard said that. And, you know, speaking personally,

00:45:06.720 I've not seen any evidence of that. But what I'm also saying is, okay, well, when it comes time to

00:45:13.140 prosecute these individuals, when it comes time to actually take away someone's liberty for something

00:45:18.120 like this, what evidence do you have? And that's where we're just coming up short.

00:45:22.640 Yeah. You know, I was speaking to someone in government and I said, well, what's going on?

00:45:27.340 What can we expect on Epstein? You know, everyone's asking about this. And this person in government

00:45:33.180 said, what do you want? That's what I'm at. What do you want? I, you know, is there, I can't invent

00:45:38.960 something, but what is the exact thing that you want? And I think a lot of people have a harder

00:45:42.720 time articulating that, you know? So, okay. So I guess the takeaway from that is probably not a lot

00:45:48.680 is going to happen. My, my theory on Epstein was either he is who everyone said he was, which is

00:45:53.840 just, you know, a kind of rogue billionaire who had a weird thing for young girls. And that was it.

00:45:58.560 Either he was like the official story and forget about any of the inconsistencies, or if he was

00:46:03.800 something much, much more defarious, I said, we're never going to find out anyway. If some of these

00:46:09.180 theories are true, we ain't going to find out. I promise you that. So, okay. I think that's probably

00:46:14.260 what most people expect from that. In terms of, you mentioned the Antifa stuff. I'm personally very

00:46:19.900 interested in this. You know, a lot of right-wingers have dealt with Antifa over the years.

00:46:23.340 I had Antifa show up, two operatives showed up to a speaking event I had at University of Pittsburgh

00:46:29.020 through an explosive at the building. One of those people is in, is in federal prison right now,

00:46:34.260 albeit for some pled down kind of nonsense. At least he's facing some, some consequences.

00:46:40.180 The liberal media will say that there is no such thing as Antifa. I think the talking points went out,

00:46:44.580 you know, a couple of weeks ago. There is no Antifa. Sure. They have flags. Sure. They have

00:46:48.560 uniforms. Sure. They correspond with each other and try to kill Republicans, but it doesn't exist.

00:46:55.780 What do you say to them?

00:47:00.460 They are clearly not looking at the evidence here. We have seen organized efforts. Let me just give

00:47:06.860 you an example of the latest case DOJ charged, right? In this case, we found group chats of people

00:47:13.200 saying, here's a federal ICE facility. We want to disrupt the operations. Okay. Everybody show up.

00:47:19.800 I'm going to bring arms. I think they ended up bringing 20 firearms and they shot a cop in the

00:47:24.640 neck, right? He almost died. Several people are charged with attempted murder and material support

00:47:29.480 for terrorism there, right? These things are highly orchestrated. Where are they getting the 20

00:47:33.840 firearms from? People are just showing up wearing the exact same thing, showing up at the exact same

00:47:40.180 time. We're saying, no, no, no. Like this is, this is a loose collection. People are just randomly

00:47:44.960 wearing all black and wearing masks and deciding to simultaneously wreak havoc upon the exact same

00:47:50.660 building. Oh, by the way, and operating in a coordinated fashion such that you have certain

00:47:54.980 people at certain outposts, you have lookouts, you have spies, you have guards. Like the notion that

00:48:00.420 this is a completely decentralized organization just defies logic. It defies everything that we're finding

00:48:07.200 out there. And I think too, like your point. And again, now I do get to be a little bit more

00:48:12.680 political. I think the left's goal here is anytime you point out something bad on their side, no, no,

00:48:20.000 no, it doesn't exist. Look at the Democrat EG for a candidate in Virginia, Jay Jones. And it doesn't

00:48:26.480 exist. He didn't really say that he wants to murder his political rival, mutilate his children. He didn't 0.97

00:48:32.920 really say that. Hey, hey, hey, we got some 19 year olds who said someone say everything in text

00:48:37.000 messages. That's really the focus. Like this is a game, Michael, that you and I have seen a long, long

00:48:43.160 time. And people are finally starting to wake up to it. We're just not going to buy it anymore. Like we

00:48:47.900 know it's. Yeah, I said the vice president had a great response to the young Republican group chat of

00:48:53.680 people that no one's ever heard of. And he said, oh, yeah, I was reading those text messages. And can you

00:48:57.980 believe they said that they would murder their political opponent and their children? Oh, wait a

00:49:01.440 second. No, that was the AG candidate in Virginia. It's just sort of, hey, guys, let's focus. There's

00:49:06.360 absolutely no comparison between these things. We're going to keep a laser focus on it. So in

00:49:10.060 terms of focus, I wish I had more time with you, Chad. But in terms of focus, obviously, another big

00:49:15.500 thing the DOJ has been involved in are these deportations and prosecuting the gangsters and

00:49:19.960 the illegal aliens who are here. Some people on the right have hit the administration for not

00:49:24.960 deporting fast enough. I think that's kind of weak because if you look at, for instance, the Center for

00:49:30.180 Immigration Studies has had multiple reports now come out on a huge number. I mean, I think it was

00:49:35.740 back in July, 1.6 million illegal aliens out of the country since the administration took over. A lot

00:49:42.620 through self-deportation, some through, you know, Tom Homan picking them up by their collar and tossing

00:49:47.340 them out the window. But where does that stand? Because if you hear from the libs, they will say that

00:49:54.740 these are all asylum seekers and they're all entitled to 15 years of due process and they're

00:49:59.740 all abuela just trying to make paella in their kitchen. And, you know, they're basically going 1.00

00:50:03.680 to try to gum up the works until they win the Congress and try to impeach the president or until

00:50:08.720 they win the White House next time, which doesn't look great for them right now, but they're hopeful.

00:50:14.060 What is the process? What is the time scale? How many of these illegal aliens can we get out of the 1.00

00:50:19.600 country before the clock runs out? Yeah, I think that it's an all, the approach that the administration

00:50:25.420 has taken is an across-the-board approach. So we're using FBI resources, DEA resources, ATF resources

00:50:32.280 to aid in deportation. By the way, something that is fairly novel, something that Trump tasked the

00:50:37.820 attorney general with doing. She's been coordinating very closely with Kristi Noem to see that. Tom

00:50:42.960 Homan's playing a big role. Stephen Miller's playing a huge role here. So a lot of coordinated efforts

00:50:48.380 there. I think that what you've got to do is attack this problem multiple angles. There are

00:50:52.840 violent criminals who are currently sitting in jails, federal and state custody, who we know are

00:50:57.560 legal aliens. Let's get them out of the country, right? That's easy because they're already in our 1.00

00:51:02.000 hands. Now let's go in, in certain cities. I mean, think in LA at one point, we knew something like

00:51:08.000 eight, nine, 10% of the population in LA was here illegally, right? That's fairly easy. Of course, 1.00

00:51:14.480 then you had district court judges trying to, you know, insert their own coup, think that they're

00:51:18.940 president, trying to prevent ICE from actually doing any sort of immigration enforcement in LA, which

00:51:23.480 is a crazy, crazy, crazy issue. But the more you do that, and the more people realize, well, wait a

00:51:29.980 second, if I'm sitting here, and I get caught by, you know, Tom Homan and his cronies, then all of a sudden,

00:51:36.180 I'm going to go to this facility. It's going to be a very unpleasant experience. I'm going to get sent on a

00:51:41.260 one-way ticket to this country. Maybe I don't want to do that. Maybe I'm going to start doing this

00:51:45.760 myself. Maybe there's a bit of an orderly way to do that. And that's something that the

00:51:50.200 administration's encouraging as well. I think you have to handle and take this, all of these angles.

00:51:55.440 Unfortunately, the problem is too big, even with the big, beautiful bill and all of the money that

00:51:59.880 we've gotten from there and all of the new ICE officers that are going to be adding, you still

00:52:04.680 don't have enough. The numbers just don't add up. Given how many illegals Joe Biden lent into the

00:52:10.200 country, we can't do it. And so you've got to come up with some of these other ways. And just

00:52:15.440 like you would in any other crime, you make the situation unpleasant for the criminal. When you

00:52:21.480 make the situation unpleasant for the criminal, oftentimes they stop committing crimes. If you

00:52:26.580 make the situation unpleasant here in the United States, you stop entitlement programs. You stop

00:52:31.500 giving them welfare. You stop the Democrats-sponsored free health care for illegal aliens. You stop all 1.00

00:52:38.040 those programs. All of a sudden, it's not that attractive to stay here. Why don't we go back

00:52:41.980 home?

00:52:43.000 Right, right. I'm not a lawyer. I didn't go to law school. But you referenced something earlier,

00:52:49.900 which is those federal judges who are really trying to gum up the works, even as you're taking this

00:52:54.860 multi-prong approach. Is it the case that one out of 700 district judges has the right to overrule

00:53:01.720 the White House on matters of law enforcement? You would think so. You would think so based on

00:53:08.900 how everybody is acting. And what's incredible is the number of times we've had to go up to the

00:53:16.060 Supreme Court to get relief. 22 times we've had victories from the Supreme Court. During the entire

00:53:21.520 four years of Biden, they only went up in an emergency posture 20 times total. And by the way,

00:53:26.740 our win rate, 90%. Biden's win rate, 50%. It just shows you how lawless the district court judges

00:53:34.520 have gotten. That was one of the things, to be honest, I was pretty surprised by Michael whenever

00:53:38.900 I came into the administration. I knew that we were going to get some bad rollings. I had served

00:53:43.100 during Trump 1. I got that. But what I didn't realize was how lawless they were going to be. I

00:53:48.420 didn't realize and expect the district court judges were going to be openly defying the Supreme Court of

00:53:52.700 the United States. Three different times the Supreme Court had to tell district court judges,

00:53:57.380 when Trump removes somebody from an executive agency, you don't get to put them back in place.

00:54:03.160 I mean, how many times, you know, they were like joking about or crying about, you know,

00:54:09.560 the Trump administration potentially violating the court order, which by the way, we've never done.

00:54:14.480 And still today have not done, even though I think in certain instances, maybe it might be

00:54:18.980 justified. But they've stayed above board. They have not done that. Yet you have district

00:54:23.620 court judges who are openly defying orders from the Supreme Court doing the very thing that they're

00:54:28.720 accusing us of doing. This is very, you know, they read up on their Saul Alinsky before coming in.

00:54:34.540 Like, they all know what they're doing.

00:54:36.800 That's a really great little bit of rhetorical ammo for the water cooler when they say this administration

00:54:42.500 is lawless and they're defying judges or which they're not, or that the judges are smacking down

00:54:49.040 all hail the judiciary, smacking down the authoritarian executive. You can go back and say,

00:54:53.420 well, actually, those judges that you're pointing to are getting smacked down by the Supreme Court at

00:54:58.800 a rate of 90 percent. So really, even by your own argument, I think you're hoisting yourself with

00:55:04.020 your own petard. It's a really great point that I haven't heard articulated very much.

00:55:07.280 Yeah, and they're going to continue doing that. This administration winning in front of the Supreme

00:55:15.360 Court, right? We got the CASA ruling, which basically said these nationwide injunctions

00:55:19.780 are not going to be allowed. Now, of course, because judges are smart, what are they doing?

00:55:23.980 Well, instead of a nationwide injunction, we're going to certify a nationwide class and then issue

00:55:28.900 an injunction to the class. And by the way, the class covers all human beings, born or unborn,

00:55:33.880 in the United States or not in the United States, right? It's just a nationwide injunction by another

00:55:38.260 means. And eventually that issue is going to get up to the Supreme Court. And eventually we're going

00:55:42.760 to win that issue as well. So we have a great team led by Pam Bondi, who is tackling these kinds of

00:55:48.700 issues. And we're just going to keep doing it. It's a little bit of a whack-a-mole, but that's what

00:55:53.020 we expected. And that's what our job is. Chad, thank you very much for coming on the show. I greatly

00:55:58.060 appreciate it. And I hope you enjoy at least a slight vacation now that you're out of the pressure

00:56:02.520 cooker of Washington, D.C. and the admin. I'm going to go smoke a Mayflower cigar.

00:56:08.700 Now, I knew you had excellent judgment already, but this is proof positive. Chad,

00:56:14.820 thank you very much for coming on.

The Michael Knowles Show - October 22, 2025

Ep. 1840 - Trump Is Winning The Shutdown Fight

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