Ep. 1840 - Trump Is Winning The Shutdown Fight
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Trump has finally won a government shutdown fight, and it's not even close to being as bad as it was a few weeks ago, when the government was shut down, and Donald Trump's approval rating was at an all-time low.
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We live in extraordinary times. We can communicate across the world in real time.
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We can travel to outer space. But most impressive of all,
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Republicans are finally winning a government shutdown fight.
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I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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Welcome back to the show. We have the chief of staff from the Department of Justice. He just left
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the DOJ. He is stopping by the show to give us the update on all of Trump sending in the National
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They said it couldn't be done. This was a moonshot. I know some opinions vary on the internet about the
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moon, but actually it doesn't matter, regardless of what you think happened with the moon, because
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this is more impressive. Republicans have never won a government shutdown fight ever in the entire
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history of the law of government, going back to Imperial Athens, going back to King Tut and the
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Code of Hammurabi. Republicans always lose the shutdown fight. And you know how much I hate to
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say I told you so. You will recall when the government was about to be shut down because of
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Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries and the Democrats. I said, I think they're overplaying their hand. I think
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this is a little bit different. Trump won the popular vote. Trump has unified government.
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No one can seriously be duped into thinking that the Republicans shut down this government. Well,
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you don't just need to take my accurate word for it. Here is CNN.
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That's exactly right. Turns out shutdowns are different the second time around when it comes
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to Donald Trump. Take a look here. You know, we speak about Donald Trump shutdowns,
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net approval rating. We're talking 20 days into it. In 2018 slash 2019, Donald Trump's net approval rating
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was already falling. The shutdown was eating into his popular support. It was down three points
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already at this particular point and would fall considerably more. It was very much on the
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decline. You come over to this side of the screen. This shutdown hasn't eaten into Donald Trump's
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support at all. His net approval rating is actually up a point in terms of his popular support. So the
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bottom line is this. The first shutdown during Trump's first term, 2018, 2019, was hurting Donald Trump.
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This one is not hurting him at all. There's no real reason Donald Trump might say, at least when it
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comes to popular support, I want to get out of this shutdown. What about the question of blame?
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Yeah. Okay. What about the question of blame? Okay. You see here, you see Donald Trump's net
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approval rating was down 2018 to 2019. You talk about 2025 as net approval rating is up. It comes down
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to the blame game, a game I loved to play when I was younger. Blame Trump for the shutdown a great deal.
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In 2018 slash 2019, 61 percent more than three in five Americans blame Trump a great deal for that
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particular shutdown. You come over to this side of the screen. Look at this. It's a different world.
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It's a different world. What did I tell you? What did I tell you?
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Something, a lot of people could not see this coming because people believe that past is always
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precedent in politics. And one of the key features on the left and the right of the pundits who always
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get everything wrong and then they keep getting everything wrong. The key feature is a failure of
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political imagination. And I go back to a quote frequently from Cardinal Manning who says,
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there is a time to come that will confound the confident judgments of men.
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We have these confident judgments, one of which is to bring it back down to earth and really temporal
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politics. The Republicans are always going to get blamed for the shutdown. And I said, I don't think
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so. Trump won the popular vote as a Republican for the first time in 20 years. He got one in five
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black guys to vote for him. He got almost half of Hispanics. We got 40% of women under the age of 30.
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We have an increasing number of young people coming over. I don't think you can use the calculus
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from 2012, 2008, 2016 for that matter, in 2025. I just don't think it works. The people gave the
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Republicans, the House, the Senate, the presidency, the Supreme Court. I don't think you can use the
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calculus of 2012, 2016. Furthermore, not only have the establishment media been pantsed on live TV,
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not only have they been revealed to be total liars. Many of us have known they're total liars for
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decades now. But COVID, I think, especially proved them to be liars. A lot of the Trump presidency when
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they got infected with terminal TDS. We'll get to Robert De Niro's latest outburst of TDS because
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it's really illustrative. But a lot of people saw that. And this ties into 2024 too. They got the
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election wrong. They were so confident going into 2024 that Trump was going down and Trump was
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Hitler and he was an existential threat to democracy. And he'd be kicked off the ballot and he needed to
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be prosecuted four times. And they had to go raid his wife's linen closet in Mar-a-Lago. And then he
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wins. And not only does he win, he wins the popular vote. And at that point, it wasn't just the
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conservatives who tuned them out. It was the liberals who tuned them out. CNN's ratings went
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down, not because conservatives stopped watching. Conservatives weren't watching at all. MSNBC's
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ratings went down, all of them. So that had a compounding effect because now you didn't even
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have these establishment news channels who could sell the lie that the Democrats were innocent in the
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shutdown and the Republicans were the cause of it. Anyway, the numbers don't lie. CNN, weirdly enough,
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right now does not lie. They have to grapple with the fact that we're in a different political world.
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And this cuts both ways, by the way. It cuts to the bright side, which is, well, we might be able
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to do a lot more with government than we thought. Maybe our country isn't totally lost. Wow, maybe we
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have a chance to turn things around. It cuts that way. Also, we might have a civil war. We might have a
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civil war. You know I'm not a catastrophizer. I'm not one of these people who says we're always on the
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brink of civil war and it's the end of the world. I am not that guy. But I don't want to err too much
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on the other side either. I don't want to say it can't happen. It can happen. There is a time to come
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that will reverse the confident judgments of men. And if you, in the year of our Lord, 2025, still
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suffer from a failure of political imagination, fix it because we are in, as CNN says, a different
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world. Here's another good example how President Trump is sending in the National Guard to restore
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order in cities around the country, such as Chicago, such as Portland. And then we hear from
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the left that this is authoritarian and that's why they have their No Kings protests, the boomiest,
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cringiest political protests that we've maybe ever seen in American history. And it's unclear what the
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protest is about. It can't really be about anything too substantive because Trump is winning popular
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support on all the substantive issues, crime, immigration, the economy. So it has to be about these
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abstract issues, authoritarianism, the abuse of power. And one of the chief claims is Trump is
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usurping power that does not belong to him when he sends the National Guard into the cities. That's
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the claim by the Democrat governors and the Democrat members of Congress and the Democrat talking heads.
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He needs to abide by the law. Well, the law just weighed in. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has just ruled
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that President Trump can send the National Guard into Portland. I feel like I'm on the Maury
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Povich show. Deshawn, you are the father. The results are in. You are the father. Trump, you are
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legally allowed to send the National Guard into restore cities in blue cities, to restore safety
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to blue cities. You can do that. That's what the National Guard is for. I was on Piers Morgan's show,
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what was it, a week ago? I was talking to a perfectly nice Democrat congressman who was really
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apparently out of his depth when it comes to the law because he said, Donald Trump is violating the law.
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When he sends in these National Guard, he's violating the law. I said, well,
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you know, the law he's citing is the Insurrection Act. The Insurrection Act says that the federal
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government can send in the National Guard to restore order. So how's he violating the law?
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He said, it is, it is, it is not allowed to do that. It's illegal. It's breaking the law. I said,
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how? There's a, I just cited you the law that Trump is using to do that. I said, do you know what
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that law does? Do you know what that law is? And he couldn't answer the question. Piers and I had a
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great deal of fun going, going back and forth on it because here you have a legislator, a guy whose
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job it is to know the law and to make the laws. He didn't even know that. Well, you now have the
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executive branch saying, yes, this is how the law works. We're allowed to do it. And you have the
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judiciary. Talk about no kings. Now, now their next, their next protest is going to be no judges
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either. No executive authority. They got to protest that branch. No judicial authority. They
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don't like the courts anymore because the courts keep siding with Trump. And we're going to be
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speaking to the chief of staff of the DOJ later. We're going to get the inside scoop on those court
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rulings. And then by the way, by the way, the Republicans control the legislature too, right?
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The Republicans have the house and they have the Senate. The Democrats can obstruct from their
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minority position. They can shut down the government even sometimes, but they don't actually
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control those houses either. So it's not just that the Democrats are protesting the presidency,
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no kings. They're also apparently protesting the judiciary and they're also protesting the
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legislature. They're protesting the entire American government, which is a representative
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government. It's self-government, which means they're protesting you. They don't like that you
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unanimously gave power to the Republicans. They don't like that. So they say,
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absurdly, that it's undemocratic when the people vote for their opponents.
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It's what it went. Any election that they lose, I guess, is illegitimate, but that's where they're
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not protesting Trump. They're not protesting a king. They are protesting you. And they're getting
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very, very nasty about it. Just wait till you hear what the mayor of Chicago just said about this
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The people want Trump to restore order. The people vote for Trump to restore order.
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The courts say that Trump is allowed to restore order. Here's what the mayor of Chicago says.
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Look, we're already in the mix, right? You know, the president of the United States of America
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declared war on the city of Chicago. In fact, he's declared war on working people across this
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country. And in order for us to beat back this tyranny, it's going to take all of us to be organized
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and to be clear about our demands, making sure that our schools are funded, healthcare is fully
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funded, transportation, good paying jobs. These are the things that the people of this country
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desperately need, particularly at a time in which the ultra rich continue to get richer
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under this administration. Trump has declared war on the city of Chicago by, let me check my notes
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here, sending in police to stop Chicagoans from being murdered. Is it two Chicagoans a day get
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murdered? Some weekends it'd be 11 people get murdered over the course of a weekend. And then
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the city of Chicago says, well, it was a holiday weekend. Trump laughed about this. He said, a
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holiday, that's your excuse? It's a holiday. For holidays, we let them murder more people.
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You have something like a hundred thousand gang members in Chicago. City of Chicago fails to protect
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the people. The president says, okay, we're going to bring in federal resources to protect Chicagoans
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from being murdered, specifically from being murdered. And you say that's declaring war on
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Chicago. You don't even believe that. You know how I know you don't believe that mayor of
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Chicago? Because what'd you say? You said, in order for us to be back this tyranny, it's going
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to take us all to be organized and be clear about our demands. Our demands, making sure that our
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schools are funded, healthcare is fully funded, transportation, good paying jobs. These are the
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things people desperately need, especially at this time. Okay. Hold on. You're not saying that in order
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to stop tyranny, you are going to provide the resources to your people. No, no, you're talking
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about demands. You're not, you know, you're the mayor, right? You know that you're the one who's
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supposed to be providing these things. He doesn't say that though, because he's not providing those
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things. He's not providing safety. He's not providing good education. The education is a
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complete disaster in Chicago. He's not providing anything that he should be doing. So he, all the only
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thing he can provide are demands of whom? Demands of Trump, demands of the federal government.
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The guliuns on this guy to say, Trump is declaring war on us by helping us, by doing some of the things
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that I want him to do, namely make sure our city is safe. But forget about that. He's declaring war on
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us. I am demanding that he give us more money for more slush projects that I want. How many, just
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historically speaking, how many warring nations pay for all of their opponents' luxuries and public
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resources? Does that sound like a war to you? You know, when, when Rome is fighting Carthage, does the,
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does the mayor of Carthage get up and he say, hey, we hate Rome and we demand that Rome pay for our
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education and our housing and our transportation. We're very upset at Rome. We don't like Rome. We're
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at war with Rome, obviously. And that's why they need to give us even more money for the things that
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we can't provide for ourselves. Is that, is that what happens in war? Is that World War II, Germany said,
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after Germany declared war on the United States, they said, you will pay for our schools. How dare
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you? I don't know. It's become kind of a Greta Thunberg accent. That's not the right, I don't
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know. My accents are, I'm traveling around Central Europe. They're getting a little jumbled. Is that
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what happened? Did Emperor Hirohito say, oh, you will give us more electric cars. Get us those electric
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cars. We're at war. No, that's not what warring nations do. He doesn't even believe it. He's the two pit,
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if there is a tin pot dictator here, it's the mayor of Chicago. He's a two bit failed ruler.
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There are plenty of leaders of banana republics who have more legitimacy than this joker.
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And he's whining and screaming while President Trump does his job for him after winning the
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popular vote. The TDS is very, very strong. It is, as you know, a very widespread, increasingly
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less widespread. It's been contained since 2024, but it's still a widespread and fatal disease.
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Robert De Niro, the actor, has contracted a worse case than just about anyone.
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Here, it sums up the De Niro view. The De Niro lib view, shared by an unfortunately large number of
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people, of Donald Trump and how the liberals should treat the conservatives.
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Trump does not understand anything about humanity, people. He has no empathy. I don't know what he is,
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but he's an alien. And he wants to hurt this country. It's something deeply psychological in
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him. He wants to hurt people. Hold on. You catch it? Did you catch it? I'm going to read it again,
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just for those in the back, if you didn't hear Raging Bull. Trump does not understand anything
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about humanity. He has no empathy. I don't know what he is, but he's an alien. He wants to hurt this
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country. It's deeply psychological. He wants to hurt people. The people who all the time whine and scream
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about how Trump is dehumanizing, how we dehumanize people. We dehumanize minorities, an increasing
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number of whom voted for Trump. We dehumanize trans children, a category that does not exist.
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That's not a real category of people. We dehumanize. Stop. You need to stop dehumanizing
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people, Trump, because you're not human. Catch that? That's what he's saying. Every accusation
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is a confession with these people. Trump does not understand anything about humanity. In other words,
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he is no human. He then goes further. He says, I don't know what he is, but he's an alien. In other
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words, he's not a human. He wants to hurt people. So he's saying he's already justifying some kind
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of violence against Trump. It's not quite rising to the level of incitement. So if you say he wants
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to hurt people. Now, in the context of the left increasingly murdering Republicans, even so much
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so that even the Atlantic had to admit there's a left-wing terrorism problem now. In that context,
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this probably does kind of rise to the level of incitement, but forget about that line. Just that
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first line, Trump does not understand anything about humanity. That is dehumanizing. And that is what
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the libs do to us. That is why the libs are likely to end friendships over politics in a way that
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conservatives simply don't. And all of the social scientific data back that up. It's why the libs
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are unwilling to date people who are conservative in ways that conservatives don't feel the same way.
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It's why liberals will lose their family members. They'll divorce their families,
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disown themselves from their families. Over politics, conservatives generally do not do that.
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It's why they justify political violence. In part, it is dehumanizing. And it has been true for a long
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time, though we haven't said it in a while. Maybe it bears repeating that for the libs, because they
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are unfamiliar, because they're unfamiliar with what we actually believe, because they're just not
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exposed to it a lot, because the libs own the media and the schools, because the libs generally don't
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have a sturdy understanding of morality, because liberalism comes down to the maximizing of individual
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autonomy, and that's about it. And they're generally skeptical of every metaphysical and immaterial
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reality beyond that. Because they don't have a sturdy conception of reality. Because their views
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are ultimately out of harmony with reality, so that makes them a little bit angrier. For these reasons,
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and many more. The left can only come to two conclusions about conservatives. It's either that we're stupid
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or that we're evil. I'm not the first to say it. It's almost become cliche, but it's pretty good. It's cliche
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for a reason. They have to think we're really powerfully stupid, or for those of us who, I don't know,
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have a relatively wider vocabulary, or who, you know, have been in positions of power, or gone to elite
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institutions, or any... For those who can't just be written off as dumb, stupid bubba sucking his thumb,
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they have to conclude that we're evil. You could be the most generous, gracious... Look at Charlie.
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Charlie would be a good example of this. They can't really say he's stupid, right? They couldn't really say
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it, so he had to be evil. He could be the most gracious, generous guy, peaceful, doesn't matter.
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He has to be evil, and they have to celebrate his murder at the No Kings protests. Not just like fringe
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Antifa operatives, elementary school teachers, are going to celebrate his murder and laugh about it
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and joke about it at the No Kings rally. They have to do that, and if they do it to him, they do it to
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all of you. Because for conservatives, the left drives us crazy, and some of them are legitimately
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very violent and have to be constrained by the law. They have to face social sanction and all the rest of
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it. But generally, we understand them, and we have an affection for them, at least as our countrymen,
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at least as our fellow human beings. What De Niro is saying is, no, sorry, you're not even a human
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being. No surprise. He's just articulating what the left has been conveying with its behavior,
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The headline. I think it's from the Telegraph is where this one, yeah. It was covered all over
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the press though. Pete Hegseth's tie causes diplomatic spat. Pete Hegseth's tie was a Russian
00:25:05.660
tie. That's what the media said. The Secretary of War was accused of wearing the colors of the
00:25:11.140
Russian tricolor during a meeting with Vladimir Zelensky. What the heck? This proves Trump's
00:25:17.260
been colluding with the Russians. We've suspected it all along. I mean, because that's what the
00:25:21.580
Democrats cooked up with the FBI to frame President Trump spying his campaign and undermine his
00:25:26.700
administration. He was colluding with the Russians, remember? Here is the proof. Why would the United
00:25:33.160
States Secretary of War wear the colors of the Russian flag, which are red, white, and blue?
00:25:41.880
Those are the colors of that. Maybe you didn't know. I don't know. Maybe people don't pay attention.
00:25:46.640
What are the colors of the Russian flag? It's red, white, and blue.
00:25:48.800
Why would the Secretary of War in America wear red, white, and blue on his tie? There have been a lot
00:26:00.380
of stupid non-traversies, cooked up BS, including the Russia hoax, obviously. But this one, I think,
00:26:06.120
takes the cake. Pete had, I kid you not, a pocket square with the literal American flag to compliment
00:26:13.940
his red, white, and blue flag. Russian stooge. Just take note of that little media,
00:26:21.460
tempest in a teapot. Take note of that. Because that's like every story in the establishment media.
00:26:27.700
And you look at that one, you say, man, that is the dumbest, that is the most ridiculous
00:26:30.840
stretch nonsense I've ever heard to try to attack the admin. That's all of it. All of it is some
00:26:38.860
version of, stop the presses. A cabinet secretary wore red, white, and blue. He wants to be in the
00:26:46.740
KGB. So to pull it all back on No Kings. Also British press, Times of London has this story here,
00:26:56.460
which is about the Americans who want monarchy. Where is it? Here we are.
00:27:01.140
Meet the young Americans who want monarchy, but not King Trump. While millions of protesters took
00:27:10.380
to the streets in fear of the future of the Republic, a growing fringe says it is time for
00:27:16.240
an absolute monarchy. And then, I don't know, I guess the story, you can read it. It's kind of funny.
00:27:21.180
But it's about, you know, the American, the monarchists of America, which is this sort of,
00:27:26.980
you know, small club of people who like monarchism, I guess. I don't know, there are a million,
00:27:30.900
political clubs like this in America. And they thought it'd be funny to make a story out of this.
00:27:35.620
These are, I guess, more right-wing monarchists than, you know, like the,
00:27:40.260
they're not calling for a socialist dictator or anything. They're calling for a traditional
00:27:43.340
monarchy. Okay. Look at all this crazy, how crazy is that? That's the subtext here.
00:27:48.200
How crazy is that? There are people on the right who want a king. How crazy is that?
00:27:53.980
And you got these people on the left, they're protesting against a king because Trump wants to be a
00:27:58.640
king, allegedly. There's no evidence of that. He wants to be a king. How crazy is that? Oh,
00:28:03.100
crazy. It's so crazy, right? It's not crazy. It's actually not crazy. Like, we're not going to have
00:28:10.860
a crown and a scepter. And I don't think the monarchist club of America is going to become a
00:28:15.480
major political party anytime soon. But you know why it's not crazy that we would have a king in America?
00:28:20.160
Okay. Because the American president today is more powerful than any monarch ever in the history of
00:28:30.040
the world, including all the Caesars, including Octavian, including Charlemagne, including the
00:28:38.000
aforementioned King Tut. The American president today is the king of the world. There are other
00:28:46.600
systems with houses of legislature, like our Congress, but you know, parliaments and things,
00:28:50.880
where the parliament is the central body of the government. That is not true in America. It's
00:28:56.400
not even supposed to be true in America, despite some kind of 20th century libertarian types arguing
00:29:02.120
for it. That's not true. We have a strong executive. That has been true since George Washington.
00:29:08.560
You see it get beefed up in Andrew Jackson. You see it really get beefed up in Abraham Lincoln,
00:29:13.740
whose memorial, not just coincidentally, is him sitting as Zeus in a temple. FDR was as clearly
00:29:21.900
a monarch as ever there was. And it's just in, it's not, I'm not even just beating up on FDR.
00:29:28.980
That is just in the DNA of the presidency. And furthermore, monarchy is a type of regime.
00:29:39.080
There's monarchy, there's aristocracy, there's democracy, there are bad forms of that too,
00:29:42.140
that don't govern for the common good. They govern for private interests. So we call them
00:29:45.280
tyranny or oligarchy or mob rule. But people are going to read this. They're going to say,
00:29:50.480
there are some Americans who want to be a king or want monarchy or who, how crazy is that?
00:29:56.020
I think actually, talk about failure of political imagination. The more ridiculous utopian view
00:30:02.240
is to think that there will never be a king in America. First of all, there have been kings in
00:30:05.860
America. There was Bourbon territory. There was Habsburg territory in America, right?
00:30:13.000
There will be a time to come that will reverse the confident judgments of men.
00:30:21.000
And it's particularly ironic in this story because for all intents and purposes, we have a king. As I've
00:30:28.620
frequently noted on this show, we have something called AFRICOM. That's the African command of the
00:30:34.600
American military. And comms like all over. We run the whole world and power largely resides in one
00:30:46.000
man. And we don't call him a king, we call him a president. Well, guess what? The first Roman emperor,
00:30:51.180
Caesar Augustus, he didn't call himself a king or an emperor either. Princeps is the first,
00:30:57.420
the first of the citizens. Okay. Now, speaking of everything old being new again,
00:31:01.900
apparently the CIA is doing coups in Latin America again. I'm cool with it, actually. I know it's
00:31:07.820
politically correct to hate the CIA and everything. And CIA has done some bad things. But I don't know,
00:31:12.960
I actually think, I think this is the way to bring the left and the right together. One of the ways
00:31:17.480
is to stop wasting our resources in the Middle East and fighting all these kind of ideological wars,
00:31:23.420
wars that are not exactly in American interest, and just get back to doing what America does well.
00:31:27.240
Well, we've been doing well since the 19th century, which is doing coups in Latin America. I think we
00:31:33.220
need to get back to that. I don't know that we have time to get to it though, because I want to
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correct. Now, finally, I'm very excited. I just sat down with, uh, Chad Mizell, who was the chief of
00:34:17.140
staff, number one staffer in charge over at the Department of Justice. Very, very hot issues
00:34:23.260
coming up at the deportations and the raids on the cities. And obviously Jeffrey Epstein,
00:34:28.540
we talk about all of it right now. Deportations, prosecutions, corrupt Democrats being held to
00:34:36.680
account finally for some of the things that they've been doing for the last decade. All that and more,
00:34:44.180
maybe a little tea on the Epstein files. I'm so pleased to be joined by Chad Mizell, who was the
00:34:49.260
chief of staff at the DOJ until about three seconds ago, finally now catching his breath after serving
00:34:56.500
in one of the more thankless jobs in government with all of the heat directed at, uh, at the Trump
00:35:01.960
administration. Chad, thank you for coming on the show. Michael, thanks for having me. Great to be
00:35:07.280
here. Okay. I want to run down everything that the DOJ has been doing. The, the, I guess the newsiest
00:35:12.400
part is that, uh, Comey, Letitia James, uh, number of other people have been indicted and are being
00:35:21.160
prosecuted for their alleged misdeeds. And according to the liberal media, this is an upending of standards
00:35:27.100
and norms, a complete, uh, end to our political order and a partisan lawfare from an authoritarian
00:35:33.980
to take down his enemies. Is that, is that right? Because that's what it's written in the New York
00:35:38.920
Times and, and elsewhere, at least broadly. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. The first, uh, you know,
00:35:46.660
person to ever prosecute, uh, their political opponent, uh, the first person to ever spy on the
00:35:51.660
campaign of their political opponent, uh, the first person to actually on the eve of their political
00:35:56.320
opponent coming into office, changing some of the intelligence about that political opponent
00:36:01.280
in an attempt to undermine that political opponent's entire presidency all under Donald J. Oh, wait,
00:36:07.440
no, no, no, no. Sorry. That was Biden and Obama. Wasn't that? That is the kind of stuff that they've
00:36:12.880
gotten used to. And frankly, for too long, it's the kind of stuff that Republicans allowed. I think one
00:36:18.720
of the, the novel things is that Trump in 47, he's not putting up with that anymore. He knows the city.
00:36:24.660
He knows the games. He's not new to it. And we're just not letting that stuff happen.
00:36:29.540
It's also striking me that, you know, for the libs now who really enjoyed sewing, they don't enjoy
00:36:34.520
reaping, uh, for them, they say, we, we need to maintain the, this political order that, uh, does not
00:36:41.540
see politicians being prosecuted or whatever. And I think, well, look, you're, you're the ones who upended
00:36:46.360
the standards and the norms. And, and to hold you to account is not merely retribution, though you
00:36:52.660
deserve it. It's also a way to get back to the old standard that we had, which is, you didn't see a
00:36:59.360
lot of these kinds of prosecutions, but you're, you're never going to get back to that with one
00:37:03.360
side unilaterally disarming and letting one political party get away with all sorts of crimes
00:37:08.560
and misdeeds. Even, even if your goal is to reduce prosecutions of government officials, the only way
00:37:15.140
you're going to do that is, is put down the kumbaya guitar and actually hold the people to account who
00:37:20.020
have been, who have been screwing up the norms in the first place. That's exactly right. You can't
00:37:24.580
have a system where only one party is allowed to, uh, uh, break the law and get away with it.
00:37:29.900
Another party for not breaking the law, uh, for just being disliked really for, for doing stuff that
00:37:36.420
is outside the political norms, or at least outside of most people's common experience of what those
00:37:41.000
political norms are. You know, we can get back into historical examples because I actually think
00:37:45.520
everything president Trump is doing is well grounded in history. Um, but even still, if you think about
00:37:51.020
modern terms, Hey, he doesn't look like George W. Bush. He doesn't look like H W. Bush. Therefore,
00:37:56.540
we don't like it, right? That is not the standard by which we operate the department of justice.
00:38:00.560
That is not the standard by which we should be fighting in there for too long. Republicans have
00:38:05.800
just allowed that to happen. And that's one of the things that we have to stop, right? I look at the
00:38:11.220
timeline too. And this is something that's really impressive. I look at the Biden administration
00:38:16.660
coming after Trump officials and Trump related officials, right? Days after inauguration, it was
00:38:22.980
about 296 days when they indicted Steve Bannon, about 500 days when they indicted your Navarro 502 days
00:38:30.420
when they indicted, uh, the leader of the proud boys for J6 seditious conspiracy and nearly 900 days
00:38:36.280
after inauguration Biden coming into office, they, uh, uh, indicted Donald J. Trump. What is the Trump
00:38:43.320
DOJ doing under Pam Bondi? Um, 113 days in, they already prosecuted a judge who was trying to help
00:38:51.160
an illegal alien evade ICE outside of her courtroom. James Comey after 248 days, members of Antifa charging
00:38:59.320
them with material support to terrorism, 268 days. Uh, Letitia James, 268 days, John Bolton,
00:39:05.480
269 days. I mean, the, the amount of wins that DOJ is racking up is incredible. On top of that,
00:39:13.400
four on the FBI's most wanted list taken down in the first four quarters of the Trump administration,
00:39:18.920
where it took Biden four years to get just as many results. Law enforcement is coming to America.
00:39:24.700
Justice is being served. That's what Trump promised. And that's what Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche,
00:39:30.140
So now that you're out of government, I'll ask for your political analysis here. Do you think that
00:39:35.900
someone like a James Comey or a Letitia James will actually face consequences? Obviously just being
00:39:41.560
indicted is a consequence, uh, in itself, but are we going to see James Comey in an orange jumpsuit or
00:39:47.460
no? Is some judge going to let him off the hook?
00:39:49.460
Yeah. Like these cases are, are hard cases, but like, let's walk through how these things work.
00:39:57.300
One, just being indicted, right? Having a jury, uh, a grand jury come in and say,
00:40:02.340
there's probable cause to think someone's committed a crime. Then you have to go through
00:40:05.380
the process of hiring a lawyer. You're going through all of that. Again, think about what
00:40:09.400
happened to the countless people who were not indicted during the, the J6. Um, myself being one of
00:40:16.660
these people, right? Hundreds, hundreds of former political, uh, appointees during, um, uh, Trump 45
00:40:24.360
had to hire big law firms at the cost of tens of thousands. Some people paid hundreds of thousands
00:40:29.100
of dollars, uh, for legal representation. You're having to search all of your emails,
00:40:33.600
all of your text messages, turning those over to Jack Smith and his cronies,
00:40:37.600
turning it over to other law enforcement who's knocking on your door, right? Just going through
00:40:42.300
that process intimidated so many people, hundreds of good people. Many of my friends who said, you
00:40:47.980
know what? I don't really want to serve in government again because of what they put us
00:40:50.860
through. And so actually going through and saying, well, wait a second, this guy lied to Congress and
00:40:56.080
he lied to Congress about his attempts to undermine Donald J. Trump and the presidency. We are going to
00:41:01.580
hold him to account. Now what ultimately, you know, 12 of his peers decides to do, who knows,
00:41:07.500
right? Like, uh, anytime you, uh, um, go in front of a jury of your peers, we don't know what's going
00:41:12.320
to happen, but are we doing the right thing by holding them to account? Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:41:16.380
Yeah. I, I totally agree. You mentioned your, your old boss, Pam Bondi. Bondi, it seems to me more
00:41:21.440
than almost any other admin official has, has caught some flack from the right, uh, for a whole host of
00:41:27.440
reasons. And people sometimes get, you know, they're angry that things aren't moving quickly enough.
00:41:30.880
As you point out, you know, DOJ has moved quickly on a lot of fronts. The biggest hit I've seen
00:41:35.820
on, on the attorney general, it pertains to the Epstein investigation and the list and the people
00:41:42.040
and the prosecutions. What's the fact, what's the fiction, where does it stand? What can we,
00:41:46.520
what can we expect? So this is, this is interesting because this is something that I came into the
00:41:53.560
administration hearing a lot about, but not personally knowing a ton about, right? Uh, a lot
00:41:58.160
of our friends, a lot of your friends, a lot of people who, you know, who are in the speaking circuit,
00:42:02.420
we're talking a ton about this. And these are people I've listened to often. These are people
00:42:06.680
I believe. And so even before I saw the first piece of evidence in Epstein, I already went in
00:42:11.880
thinking, okay, here's what I'm going to find. There's going to be a black book. There's going
00:42:16.640
to be a treasure trove. There's going to be tons of videos, uh, documents everywhere, security camera
00:42:22.320
footage, footage of, of, of, of, you know, people on yachts, et cetera. Michael, we didn't find any of
00:42:27.920
that, right? There was no black book. There was no, uh, video evidence. There was no security
00:42:33.540
footage showing hundreds of random men, including potentially famous men going to parties with
00:42:39.080
underage girls and sleeping with those girls. Like none of it existed. Nobody would want to
00:42:44.040
prosecute pedophiles more than Pam Bondi. No one wants to prosecute like bad dudes, perverts. People
00:42:51.260
are abusing women more than your leadership team at DOJ, including Todd Blanche, the deputy,
00:42:56.440
including Cash Patel, including Dan Bongino. Everybody wants to go after these guys,
00:43:01.620
but we just don't have evidence. This isn't the case like Letitia James, where we have a signed
00:43:06.500
document saying, no, no, no, this is going to be my second home. Instead, I'm actually going to use
00:43:10.360
that as a vacation rental. This isn't the case of like John Bolton, where we go into his house and
00:43:14.980
find thousands of pages of classified information that he should not have had. And was sending by the
00:43:20.220
way over email servers, it's like AOL and Google. Like this isn't that case. We just don't have any
00:43:25.500
evidence. If there was evidence, we would go after them. And when you listen to some of the
00:43:30.440
detractors, they don't have evidence either. They have theories. They have conspiracies. They have
00:43:35.700
conjectures. They have, you know, hypotheses. All good. All very interesting. You know, now listen to
00:43:43.260
it a lot more. And I understand where they're coming from. And I see, hey, there's a missing
00:43:47.900
minute over here. That's suspicious. Yeah, it is. There's this thing over here. That's suspicious.
00:43:52.720
Yeah, that is suspicious. Like, how did these things all work together? I don't quite know.
00:43:58.220
But when it comes time to proving your case in front of a court, you still have anything.
00:44:02.940
So if there's, if the issue is there's no hard evidence on this, you know,
00:44:07.740
does one conclude from that that, well, look, maybe these guys just simply were not, you know,
00:44:13.600
going to these parties and sleeping with these girls? Or does one conclude, look, maybe this stuff
00:44:18.280
was happening, but the evidence just isn't there and we can't go on it. And you mentioned the missing
00:44:22.500
minute. To me, that is the most eye-opening. I'm pretty placid. I don't really jump to all the
00:44:29.500
extreme conspiracy theories. But the missing minute and then the changing story, to me, I said, okay,
00:44:34.260
something is up here. But is the point just, look, maybe something is up. We just don't have it.
00:44:40.600
We just don't know what it is. Right. I've never said that somebody hasn't destroyed evidence.
00:44:48.400
I've not seen any proof that that's happened. I've never said that the Biden administration
00:44:52.880
didn't bury a couple things, that, you know, some of the agents who were initially working the case,
00:44:58.320
you know, something may have happened, something got lost. I've never said any of that. I don't
00:45:02.800
think Pam Bondia said that. I don't think Todd Blanchard said that. And, you know, speaking personally,
00:45:06.720
I've not seen any evidence of that. But what I'm also saying is, okay, well, when it comes time to
00:45:13.140
prosecute these individuals, when it comes time to actually take away someone's liberty for something
00:45:18.120
like this, what evidence do you have? And that's where we're just coming up short.
00:45:22.640
Yeah. You know, I was speaking to someone in government and I said, well, what's going on?
00:45:27.340
What can we expect on Epstein? You know, everyone's asking about this. And this person in government
00:45:33.180
said, what do you want? That's what I'm at. What do you want? I, you know, is there, I can't invent
00:45:38.960
something, but what is the exact thing that you want? And I think a lot of people have a harder
00:45:42.720
time articulating that, you know? So, okay. So I guess the takeaway from that is probably not a lot
00:45:48.680
is going to happen. My, my theory on Epstein was either he is who everyone said he was, which is
00:45:53.840
just, you know, a kind of rogue billionaire who had a weird thing for young girls. And that was it.
00:45:58.560
Either he was like the official story and forget about any of the inconsistencies, or if he was
00:46:03.800
something much, much more defarious, I said, we're never going to find out anyway. If some of these
00:46:09.180
theories are true, we ain't going to find out. I promise you that. So, okay. I think that's probably
00:46:14.260
what most people expect from that. In terms of, you mentioned the Antifa stuff. I'm personally very
00:46:19.900
interested in this. You know, a lot of right-wingers have dealt with Antifa over the years.
00:46:23.340
I had Antifa show up, two operatives showed up to a speaking event I had at University of Pittsburgh
00:46:29.020
through an explosive at the building. One of those people is in, is in federal prison right now,
00:46:34.260
albeit for some pled down kind of nonsense. At least he's facing some, some consequences.
00:46:40.180
The liberal media will say that there is no such thing as Antifa. I think the talking points went out,
00:46:44.580
you know, a couple of weeks ago. There is no Antifa. Sure. They have flags. Sure. They have
00:46:48.560
uniforms. Sure. They correspond with each other and try to kill Republicans, but it doesn't exist.
00:47:00.460
They are clearly not looking at the evidence here. We have seen organized efforts. Let me just give
00:47:06.860
you an example of the latest case DOJ charged, right? In this case, we found group chats of people
00:47:13.200
saying, here's a federal ICE facility. We want to disrupt the operations. Okay. Everybody show up.
00:47:19.800
I'm going to bring arms. I think they ended up bringing 20 firearms and they shot a cop in the
00:47:24.640
neck, right? He almost died. Several people are charged with attempted murder and material support
00:47:29.480
for terrorism there, right? These things are highly orchestrated. Where are they getting the 20
00:47:33.840
firearms from? People are just showing up wearing the exact same thing, showing up at the exact same
00:47:40.180
time. We're saying, no, no, no. Like this is, this is a loose collection. People are just randomly
00:47:44.960
wearing all black and wearing masks and deciding to simultaneously wreak havoc upon the exact same
00:47:50.660
building. Oh, by the way, and operating in a coordinated fashion such that you have certain
00:47:54.980
people at certain outposts, you have lookouts, you have spies, you have guards. Like the notion that
00:48:00.420
this is a completely decentralized organization just defies logic. It defies everything that we're finding
00:48:07.200
out there. And I think too, like your point. And again, now I do get to be a little bit more
00:48:12.680
political. I think the left's goal here is anytime you point out something bad on their side, no, no,
00:48:20.000
no, it doesn't exist. Look at the Democrat EG for a candidate in Virginia, Jay Jones. And it doesn't
00:48:26.480
exist. He didn't really say that he wants to murder his political rival, mutilate his children. He didn't
00:48:32.920
really say that. Hey, hey, hey, we got some 19 year olds who said someone say everything in text
00:48:37.000
messages. That's really the focus. Like this is a game, Michael, that you and I have seen a long, long
00:48:43.160
time. And people are finally starting to wake up to it. We're just not going to buy it anymore. Like we
00:48:47.900
know it's. Yeah, I said the vice president had a great response to the young Republican group chat of
00:48:53.680
people that no one's ever heard of. And he said, oh, yeah, I was reading those text messages. And can you
00:48:57.980
believe they said that they would murder their political opponent and their children? Oh, wait a
00:49:01.440
second. No, that was the AG candidate in Virginia. It's just sort of, hey, guys, let's focus. There's
00:49:06.360
absolutely no comparison between these things. We're going to keep a laser focus on it. So in
00:49:10.060
terms of focus, I wish I had more time with you, Chad. But in terms of focus, obviously, another big
00:49:15.500
thing the DOJ has been involved in are these deportations and prosecuting the gangsters and
00:49:19.960
the illegal aliens who are here. Some people on the right have hit the administration for not
00:49:24.960
deporting fast enough. I think that's kind of weak because if you look at, for instance, the Center for
00:49:30.180
Immigration Studies has had multiple reports now come out on a huge number. I mean, I think it was
00:49:35.740
back in July, 1.6 million illegal aliens out of the country since the administration took over. A lot
00:49:42.620
through self-deportation, some through, you know, Tom Homan picking them up by their collar and tossing
00:49:47.340
them out the window. But where does that stand? Because if you hear from the libs, they will say that
00:49:54.740
these are all asylum seekers and they're all entitled to 15 years of due process and they're
00:49:59.740
all abuela just trying to make paella in their kitchen. And, you know, they're basically going
00:50:03.680
to try to gum up the works until they win the Congress and try to impeach the president or until
00:50:08.720
they win the White House next time, which doesn't look great for them right now, but they're hopeful.
00:50:14.060
What is the process? What is the time scale? How many of these illegal aliens can we get out of the
00:50:19.600
country before the clock runs out? Yeah, I think that it's an all, the approach that the administration
00:50:25.420
has taken is an across-the-board approach. So we're using FBI resources, DEA resources, ATF resources
00:50:32.280
to aid in deportation. By the way, something that is fairly novel, something that Trump tasked the
00:50:37.820
attorney general with doing. She's been coordinating very closely with Kristi Noem to see that. Tom
00:50:42.960
Homan's playing a big role. Stephen Miller's playing a huge role here. So a lot of coordinated efforts
00:50:48.380
there. I think that what you've got to do is attack this problem multiple angles. There are
00:50:52.840
violent criminals who are currently sitting in jails, federal and state custody, who we know are
00:50:57.560
legal aliens. Let's get them out of the country, right? That's easy because they're already in our
00:51:02.000
hands. Now let's go in, in certain cities. I mean, think in LA at one point, we knew something like
00:51:08.000
eight, nine, 10% of the population in LA was here illegally, right? That's fairly easy. Of course,
00:51:14.480
then you had district court judges trying to, you know, insert their own coup, think that they're
00:51:18.940
president, trying to prevent ICE from actually doing any sort of immigration enforcement in LA, which
00:51:23.480
is a crazy, crazy, crazy issue. But the more you do that, and the more people realize, well, wait a
00:51:29.980
second, if I'm sitting here, and I get caught by, you know, Tom Homan and his cronies, then all of a sudden,
00:51:36.180
I'm going to go to this facility. It's going to be a very unpleasant experience. I'm going to get sent on a
00:51:41.260
one-way ticket to this country. Maybe I don't want to do that. Maybe I'm going to start doing this
00:51:45.760
myself. Maybe there's a bit of an orderly way to do that. And that's something that the
00:51:50.200
administration's encouraging as well. I think you have to handle and take this, all of these angles.
00:51:55.440
Unfortunately, the problem is too big, even with the big, beautiful bill and all of the money that
00:51:59.880
we've gotten from there and all of the new ICE officers that are going to be adding, you still
00:52:04.680
don't have enough. The numbers just don't add up. Given how many illegals Joe Biden lent into the
00:52:10.200
country, we can't do it. And so you've got to come up with some of these other ways. And just
00:52:15.440
like you would in any other crime, you make the situation unpleasant for the criminal. When you
00:52:21.480
make the situation unpleasant for the criminal, oftentimes they stop committing crimes. If you
00:52:26.580
make the situation unpleasant here in the United States, you stop entitlement programs. You stop
00:52:31.500
giving them welfare. You stop the Democrats-sponsored free health care for illegal aliens. You stop all
00:52:38.040
those programs. All of a sudden, it's not that attractive to stay here. Why don't we go back
00:52:43.000
Right, right. I'm not a lawyer. I didn't go to law school. But you referenced something earlier,
00:52:49.900
which is those federal judges who are really trying to gum up the works, even as you're taking this
00:52:54.860
multi-prong approach. Is it the case that one out of 700 district judges has the right to overrule
00:53:01.720
the White House on matters of law enforcement? You would think so. You would think so based on
00:53:08.900
how everybody is acting. And what's incredible is the number of times we've had to go up to the
00:53:16.060
Supreme Court to get relief. 22 times we've had victories from the Supreme Court. During the entire
00:53:21.520
four years of Biden, they only went up in an emergency posture 20 times total. And by the way,
00:53:26.740
our win rate, 90%. Biden's win rate, 50%. It just shows you how lawless the district court judges
00:53:34.520
have gotten. That was one of the things, to be honest, I was pretty surprised by Michael whenever
00:53:38.900
I came into the administration. I knew that we were going to get some bad rollings. I had served
00:53:43.100
during Trump 1. I got that. But what I didn't realize was how lawless they were going to be. I
00:53:48.420
didn't realize and expect the district court judges were going to be openly defying the Supreme Court of
00:53:52.700
the United States. Three different times the Supreme Court had to tell district court judges,
00:53:57.380
when Trump removes somebody from an executive agency, you don't get to put them back in place.
00:54:03.160
I mean, how many times, you know, they were like joking about or crying about, you know,
00:54:09.560
the Trump administration potentially violating the court order, which by the way, we've never done.
00:54:14.480
And still today have not done, even though I think in certain instances, maybe it might be
00:54:18.980
justified. But they've stayed above board. They have not done that. Yet you have district
00:54:23.620
court judges who are openly defying orders from the Supreme Court doing the very thing that they're
00:54:28.720
accusing us of doing. This is very, you know, they read up on their Saul Alinsky before coming in.
00:54:36.800
That's a really great little bit of rhetorical ammo for the water cooler when they say this administration
00:54:42.500
is lawless and they're defying judges or which they're not, or that the judges are smacking down
00:54:49.040
all hail the judiciary, smacking down the authoritarian executive. You can go back and say,
00:54:53.420
well, actually, those judges that you're pointing to are getting smacked down by the Supreme Court at
00:54:58.800
a rate of 90 percent. So really, even by your own argument, I think you're hoisting yourself with
00:55:04.020
your own petard. It's a really great point that I haven't heard articulated very much.
00:55:07.280
Yeah, and they're going to continue doing that. This administration winning in front of the Supreme
00:55:15.360
Court, right? We got the CASA ruling, which basically said these nationwide injunctions
00:55:19.780
are not going to be allowed. Now, of course, because judges are smart, what are they doing?
00:55:23.980
Well, instead of a nationwide injunction, we're going to certify a nationwide class and then issue
00:55:28.900
an injunction to the class. And by the way, the class covers all human beings, born or unborn,
00:55:33.880
in the United States or not in the United States, right? It's just a nationwide injunction by another
00:55:38.260
means. And eventually that issue is going to get up to the Supreme Court. And eventually we're going
00:55:42.760
to win that issue as well. So we have a great team led by Pam Bondi, who is tackling these kinds of
00:55:48.700
issues. And we're just going to keep doing it. It's a little bit of a whack-a-mole, but that's what
00:55:53.020
we expected. And that's what our job is. Chad, thank you very much for coming on the show. I greatly
00:55:58.060
appreciate it. And I hope you enjoy at least a slight vacation now that you're out of the pressure
00:56:02.520
cooker of Washington, D.C. and the admin. I'm going to go smoke a Mayflower cigar.
00:56:08.700
Now, I knew you had excellent judgment already, but this is proof positive. Chad,