The Michael Knowles Show - October 23, 2025


Ep. 1841 - Dems Now Arguing JD Vance Is ＊Worse＊ Than Hitler

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In this episode, we take a look at the "Hitler Paradox" and how the media and the Democratic Party rehabilitated Hitler, and then rehabilitated Donald Trump, and now they want to make him even worse than Hitler.

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00:00:27.820 Donald Trump is Hitler.
00:00:30.100 That's what the Democrats and the media have told us for 10 years. 1.00
00:00:33.360 Hitler is the worst person ever. 0.96
00:00:36.200 It's not possible to be worse than Hitler, and Donald Trump could not possibly be more bad. 1.00
00:00:42.020 Therefore, Donald Trump is Hitler. 0.95
00:00:45.680 You're following this?
00:00:46.480 This is what they've been telling us.
00:00:48.120 That's what they told us 10 years ago.
00:00:49.980 That's what they told us even after an assassin almost killed Trump twice.
00:00:54.820 That's what they continue to tell us today.
00:00:57.180 Except now, as the Democrats look ahead to 2028, many of them, prominent Democrats, are turning their sights on J.D. Vance.
00:01:07.960 They got to beat Vance.
00:01:08.840 And that is why they are falling into what I call the Hitler paradox. 0.92
00:01:14.500 Democrats, bereft of good issues to argue on, they're on the losing side of basically every major issue,
00:01:20.020 they need to resort to the most hyperbolic rhetoric possible to scare people out of voting for the more attractive candidate.
00:01:27.620 But when the next Republican hits the scene, J.D. Vance, when Hitler's time is through, they have to argue that the next guy is even worse.
00:01:39.900 But it is not possible in the imagination to be worse than Hitler. 0.90
00:01:44.300 If there were someone worse than Hitler, then Trump would cease to be the worst person in the world,
00:01:50.780 thereby making it less bad to be worse than Trump, thereby making Vance look better.
00:01:57.360 Do you see how this works?
00:01:58.960 If they say he's worse, they make him look better.
00:02:01.240 If Democrats argue that Vance is better than Trump, then the Democrats make Vance look better than he does today.
00:02:09.080 But by arguing that Vance is worse than Trump, the Democrats inadvertently rehabilitate the images of Trump and J.D. Vance and weirdly also Hitler.
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00:05:02.700 Where did the Hitler paradox come from? 0.82
00:05:05.380 Well, it comes from logic.
00:05:06.780 But why are we talking about it right now?
00:05:08.920 Because Jen Psaki, this is not just some random Democrat. 1.00
00:05:11.700 This was the spokesperson for Joe Biden and the only competent one that he had.
00:05:17.480 This is the voice of the White House under the most recent Democrat president
00:05:21.820 making the argument right here.
00:05:24.920 I think the little Manchurian candidate, J.D. Vance,
00:05:28.880 wants to be president more than anything else.
00:05:33.560 I always wonder what's going on in the mind of his wife.
00:05:36.560 Like, are you okay?
00:05:37.520 Please blink four times.
00:05:38.920 We'll come over here.
00:05:40.600 We'll save you.
00:05:42.640 And that he's willing to do anything to get there.
00:05:45.280 And that your whole iteration you just outlined.
00:05:48.240 I mean, he's scarier in certain ways.
00:05:50.660 He's smarter.
00:05:51.440 In some ways.
00:05:51.820 And he's young and ambitious and agile in the sense that he is a chameleon
00:05:59.080 who makes himself into whatever he thinks the audience wants to hear from him.
00:06:04.720 Now, what's also true, though, is J.D. Vance is not.
00:06:09.300 He's in some ways goodish on paper.
00:06:11.660 If you like what he believes in, I don't know.
00:06:14.140 But I don't know that he can take the whole movement with him.
00:06:17.180 No way.
00:06:17.920 I don't think so either.
00:06:19.220 There's no riz.
00:06:20.000 It's got no riz, right?
00:06:22.080 And he's got, he just is a little odd.
00:06:25.500 And so Trump's odd in a different way.
00:06:27.900 So I'm skeptical of that.
00:06:29.280 So yeah, he's got to, I mean, everything going on right now,
00:06:32.180 and I think we have to be very clear-eyed about this,
00:06:34.600 is about trying to manipulate the public around elections.
00:06:40.320 This happens every time.
00:06:41.640 Some of you are not going to remember this.
00:06:42.980 Some of you sweet little darlings out there who do not remember the Bush administration.
00:06:47.900 They called Bush Hitler.
00:06:51.760 They had little Hitler mustaches on Bush.
00:06:54.420 Bush was Hitler.
00:06:55.160 It's hard to imagine now because now Bush hangs out with Michelle Obama. 0.57
00:07:00.280 And Bush is looked to as that halcyon golden era when lovable Republicans who are normal,
00:07:07.800 who are good, when you go, I could talk to this Republican.
00:07:10.560 He's not like Trump who's Hitler.
00:07:11.620 But he was Hitler. 0.88
00:07:14.640 And George H.W. Bush wasn't around all that later.
00:07:17.680 He's obviously a one-timer.
00:07:18.620 Reagan was Hitler. 0.83
00:07:19.580 They called him Hitler.
00:07:21.320 And so this time around, some people really believed that Trump was Hitler.
00:07:25.420 And it's not even to say you have to like Trump.
00:07:26.900 You could totally hate Trump or whatever. 0.99
00:07:28.400 But it is pathetic that people would still fall for that. 0.98
00:07:33.380 No, this one's really different. 0.98
00:07:35.560 No, no, it's different this time.
00:07:37.080 It's the most important election of our lifetime.
00:07:38.460 And they went so far to the wall on this.
00:07:41.480 This was not just some op-eds calling Trump Hitler.
00:07:44.260 They tried to keep him off the ballot.
00:07:47.140 They said that he posed an existential threat to democracy.
00:07:49.580 They justified his assassination.
00:07:51.040 They raided his home.
00:07:51.800 They tried to throw him in prison four times.
00:07:53.420 This was another level.
00:07:55.280 This was the we're super duper serious this time.
00:07:57.700 He's Hitler. 0.95
00:07:58.980 And already you're getting the former White House spokesman saying, yeah, but J.D. is worse. 0.78
00:08:03.480 If J.D. is worse, then you lied to us about Trump.
00:08:12.180 I guess you lied to us about Hitler.
00:08:14.120 In as much as not even Hitler is really Hitler, you know, in as much as in the popular conception,
00:08:19.620 Hitler is the actual physical instantiation, the incarnation of absolute evil, which Christians 1.00
00:08:25.980 don't even believe exists.
00:08:27.220 You know, we believe that God is the incarnation of good and then all evil is a privation of
00:08:30.560 the good.
00:08:30.760 So it kind of flips that on its head.
00:08:32.760 And so they even go too far about Hitler. 0.98
00:08:34.900 Hitler was a very nasty fellow. 0.59
00:08:36.960 It means if they actually go out and say Vance is worse than Trump, they're saying we lied 0.62
00:08:43.020 to you about the fundamental thing.
00:08:45.040 We justified the assassination of a president.
00:08:47.500 We upended centuries of constitutional norms.
00:08:51.100 And we did it all based on a lie.
00:08:53.160 But believe us this time.
00:08:54.460 Okay, good luck with that.
00:08:55.400 I don't think that one's really going to work.
00:08:56.500 Now, speaking of Nazis, really disturbing video coming out of a campus that a TPUSA chapter
00:09:02.620 was on.
00:09:04.020 I won't even preface it.
00:09:05.200 Take a listen. 0.62
00:09:05.660 Hey Nazis, can you set up somewhere where I can avoid you easily? 1.00
00:09:14.420 Yeah, thank you.
00:09:15.060 Have a great day. 1.00
00:09:15.820 Aw, f*** you, Nazi. 1.00
00:09:17.280 Watch your neck. 1.00
00:09:18.360 Thanks.
00:09:20.280 Watch your neck.
00:09:23.720 If you haven't been paying attention the last month, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
00:09:29.600 The Democrats, the liberals, the left broadly, minimized and excused and even celebrated the
00:09:41.320 murder of Charlie Kirk.
00:09:42.480 We don't want that to have been true.
00:09:44.940 We don't want that to be possible.
00:09:46.720 But that's what happened.
00:09:48.620 And they've told us time and time again.
00:09:52.180 They've told us on TV.
00:09:53.300 They've told us in the legislature.
00:09:55.020 They've told us on campus.
00:09:56.880 They've told us on Facebook.
00:09:58.040 They continue to tell us today.
00:09:59.700 They go up to the TPUSA chapter.
00:10:02.460 They threaten them with violence again.
00:10:04.860 And they make light of the murder or they celebrate the murder.
00:10:08.440 So two things we could do about this.
00:10:10.860 We could either bury our heads in the sand and say, we just need to free marketplace of
00:10:14.540 ideas even harder, bro.
00:10:15.760 We just need to do that harder.
00:10:18.100 We just need to la la la.
00:10:21.280 We didn't hear you say that.
00:10:22.340 We didn't know.
00:10:22.860 We're just going to exchange ideas graciously even harder.
00:10:25.040 Or we need consequences.
00:10:28.900 And I think most reasonable Republicans and conservatives and fair-minded independents know
00:10:34.720 it's the latter.
00:10:37.260 So what needs to happen here is people need to identify this young woman. 0.98
00:10:43.280 They need to figure out who she is.
00:10:44.980 They need to confirm who she is through the relevant authorities.
00:10:48.780 They need to check with the school.
00:10:51.940 They need to...
00:10:53.300 Then she needs to be expelled. 1.00
00:10:57.060 If this is a state-run school, ideally in a red state, that might be a little bit easier
00:11:01.420 to do that, to put some pressure from the right-minded legislators and governors.
00:11:05.380 If not, it might be a little bit harder.
00:11:08.260 Donors, trustees might have to make calls.
00:11:10.500 But this girl needs to be expelled. 1.00
00:11:13.620 She needs to be prevented from gaining employment in most places. 1.00
00:11:19.480 I don't know what she studies.
00:11:21.280 If she studies anything, she cannot be hired to be a nurse or a teacher or this or that
00:11:26.900 or the other thing.
00:11:29.700 She needs to repent. 0.98
00:11:32.280 She needs to be impelled to repent. 0.97
00:11:33.800 If she doesn't want to do it, if it's not sincere, then she needs to repent like a three-year-old
00:11:37.360 toddler who is having a temper tantrum, who beat up his brother, who has to say sorry
00:11:42.160 because daddy said so.
00:11:44.900 And if daddy makes him say it enough, maybe he'll start to really believe it.
00:11:49.700 But she needs to lose a lot of her status and her access in society. 1.00
00:11:54.460 And it needs to be done all the right way and all through the relevant authorities.
00:11:57.680 But she needs to be booted. 1.00
00:12:00.760 She needs to be ostracized. 1.00
00:12:02.020 And if she wants to come back into society, she needs to repent and she needs to grovel. 0.96
00:12:06.700 She needs to beg on her knees. 1.00
00:12:08.820 That cannot be tolerated.
00:12:10.720 That girl has no business at a university whatsoever. 1.00
00:12:13.780 Universities are not for her. 0.97
00:12:15.980 Universities are for civilized people to be perfected in their education.
00:12:20.240 They're not for that.
00:12:21.020 And as far as I'm concerned, if I were running a company, if I were running a public institution, I would not want her anywhere near it.
00:12:30.280 And people need to see that example.
00:12:33.200 They need to have a proper fear of transgressing the right taboos and limits in society.
00:12:40.920 They need to see what happens otherwise.
00:12:43.260 And then maybe eventually they'll sincerely change their minds.
00:12:45.480 But I don't care if it's sincere in the first part.
00:12:47.100 We will have an ordered society.
00:12:49.140 And as far as I'm concerned, the consequences will continue until the behavior improves.
00:12:52.560 Okay.
00:12:53.220 Now, speaking of viral videos of bad behavior, people are crashing out because they're about to lose their EBT cards.
00:13:01.360 We will get to that momentarily.
00:13:02.840 They're going to lose EBT cards if the government continues to be shut down.
00:13:05.800 The government shutdown, which is not being blamed on the Republicans for the first time ever in my lifetime.
00:13:09.500 It's a Democrat shutdown.
00:13:10.840 But still, people crashing out.
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00:14:19.180 The government shutdown is rolling on.
00:14:22.380 The Republicans have no real ability to stop it.
00:14:26.340 This was an entirely Democrat shutdown.
00:14:30.260 The Republicans offered a continuing resolution to keep funding the government.
00:14:33.620 According to the Biden budget, according to prior spending levels, the things that the Democrats had already previously voted for,
00:14:39.340 Democrats are saying, no, we want all sorts of other stuff like funding health care for illegals and other things.
00:14:44.460 And the Republicans said, we're not, it's crazy, we're not doing that.
00:14:47.440 The people gave us the White House and the House and the Congress, or sorry, the Senate, and we already, because of the presidential elections, had the Supreme Court.
00:14:54.580 And no, we're not, no.
00:14:56.700 We're not giving into your ridiculous demands when you have no political mojo. 0.95
00:15:00.860 And they said, well, that's fine. 0.97
00:15:01.660 We're going to shut down the government.
00:15:02.580 And then you guys are going to get blamed for it.
00:15:05.100 And a lot of Republicans were afraid of that.
00:15:06.820 I said, I don't think the Republicans are going to get blamed.
00:15:08.840 I know that's always happened in the past, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say, the situation is different now.
00:15:13.660 And you know how much I hate to say I told you so, I was totally right.
00:15:17.160 So now we're starting finally to see some real concrete consequences from the shutdown.
00:15:24.300 One of which is SNAP benefits, EBT, food stamps, might be put on delay.
00:15:29.240 A lot of people don't like it.
00:15:30.140 Here's one, just a little taste of the commentary going around TikTok.
00:15:34.860 I say if they don't give food stamps next month, we all just say it and rob the grocery store and tell them to make me a groom.
00:15:42.560 They're just going to rob the store. 0.78
00:15:45.980 There are a lot of videos like this.
00:15:47.540 Some of them are rage bait.
00:15:48.540 I think some of them are probably real and might actually be threats because people do rob stores a fair bit, especially in the cities, especially people who don't vote for Donald Trump, let's say.
00:16:00.140 And so there's this kind of lawlessness that's tolerated by Democrat mayors and governors.
00:16:04.680 And the way the libs always justify it is they say, well, the reason that the people are robbing the stores is because they lack the material resources that they need.
00:16:18.060 They need to go steal a loaf of bread to feed their families, which could be licit.
00:16:22.800 If you need a loaf of bread to feed your families, it could be licit to steal that loaf of bread.
00:16:29.080 It would not be licit to steal Air Jordans.
00:16:32.900 It would not be licit to go rob cosmetic products from CVS.
00:16:37.600 It would not be licit to go rob a liquor store.
00:16:40.760 And so I'm a little bit skeptical of the whole point that these people are robbing because they just, they can't feed their families.
00:16:50.100 Frankly, I'm not so sure they have intact families.
00:16:54.360 I don't think this is father knows best, okay?
00:16:57.260 But it's very important, not just because we're making fun of people.
00:17:00.600 And you actually don't want to really make light of EBT and food stamps and things.
00:17:03.860 Because some people really do rely on those things, and I know the libertarians might get angry at me for saying this,
00:17:08.900 but I think it is important to have a social safety net in a society ideally governed in a manner of subsidiarity
00:17:14.320 that does not crowd out the church, that does not have accidental secondhand effects.
00:17:17.820 But in principle, yes, a society should look after the poor.
00:17:20.820 There will always be some poor.
00:17:21.840 The poor will always be with you, and you need to care for them.
00:17:24.680 You don't want to accidentally create people in bad behaviors that make them more poor over time.
00:17:29.660 But in principle, we actually have to do that.
00:17:32.360 It's a good thing to do that.
00:17:33.920 It's a mark of a good and healthy society.
00:17:37.440 But people don't rob the store because they lack money.
00:17:41.820 There are very, very virtuous, very, very poor people.
00:17:45.620 And there are very, very vicious, very, very rich people.
00:17:49.080 And the connection between virtue and material wealth is far from direct.
00:17:58.280 Here's a good example of how I know this is the case.
00:18:01.340 What do people say now?
00:18:02.200 You know, we don't have any kids anymore.
00:18:03.500 Our birth rate continues to plummet, and it's just a disaster.
00:18:06.620 We haven't had an above replacement birth rate in 50 years or so, and there's no end in sight to the problem.
00:18:11.640 It seems to be getting worse.
00:18:12.900 Well, some people say the reason that the birth rate has plummeted is because people don't have enough money anymore.
00:18:18.800 They're not rich enough.
00:18:19.900 If only we had a policy that would give people more money, then we could have more children.
00:18:25.680 But the contrary example to that is we live in the richest society ever in the history of the world.
00:18:33.980 People are richer.
00:18:36.380 Your person that you pluck off the street at random is richer today in America than anyone has ever been ever for all of human history.
00:18:45.940 And they're having fewer kids.
00:18:49.320 It is far...
00:18:50.280 Look, I wish that there were just like some policy that we could institute that would dramatically tick up the birth rate.
00:18:56.380 There's some evidence that if you provide certain subsidies and tax breaks that maybe people will have marginally more children.
00:19:03.400 Maybe, kind of, if you like completely flood the zone.
00:19:05.840 But that's really not it.
00:19:08.580 You know what does get people to have more kids?
00:19:10.600 Having them practice religion.
00:19:12.740 That does.
00:19:14.420 Christianity, orthodox forms of Christianity, more traditional forms of Protestantism, Catholicism practiced in a serious way, Orthodox Judaism, Mormonism.
00:19:25.920 These traditions that take their doctrine seriously and that are open to life.
00:19:32.400 That makes you have kids, regardless of how much money you have.
00:19:34.700 These guys, I bet, regardless of whether they get their EBT money, I don't think that will affect whether or not they rob the store.
00:19:44.060 And it will probably be a liquor store.
00:19:45.360 Okay, I want to talk about all of the ladyboys who beat up Luigi Mangione before he murdered the United Healthcare CEO. 0.96
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00:20:45.140 I guess I kind of blew the story, didn't I?
00:20:47.240 So the guy, Luigi, the left-wing, one of the left-wing terrorists, as we have to specify now, but one of the recent left-wing terrorists who murdered the UnitedHealthcare CEO, apparently, allegedly, reportedly, because he had this kind of ideological axe to grind about wealth inequality or the health care system or whatever, murdered this poor guy, this father and this husband.
00:21:14.340 And now it's coming out that Luigi, according to a report by the New York Post, was beaten up by seven ladyboys in Thailand shortly before he allegedly committed this murder.
00:21:27.620 For those of you who are wondering what a ladyboy is, I remember I heard about this because a buddy of mine went to visit Thailand.
00:21:33.680 He did like a world trip.
00:21:35.340 I don't know, we were in our early 20s or something. 0.95
00:21:37.320 And he told me, yeah, I didn't go, but he came back and he said, yeah, the ladyboys are crazy, man. 1.00
00:21:43.260 That's a weird thing. 0.87
00:21:43.980 I said, what's a ladyboy? 1.00
00:21:45.420 He said, oh, they're like boys who dress up like girls and in some cases get the surgery, you know, the transgender surgery and they're hookers. 1.00
00:21:53.760 But they, anyway, he was like, it's weird. 0.99
00:21:55.300 They're all over the place.
00:21:56.240 I said, oh, that's pretty weird.
00:21:58.040 What a strange aspect of society.
00:22:00.200 I don't, I guess, I guess now, even though American liberals are encouraging this, you know, in elementary schools and stuff, you don't really see that as a widespread phenomenon.
00:22:07.840 I guess that's what they have in Thailand.
00:22:08.880 And a bunch of them beat up Luigi Mangione.
00:22:11.400 Sorry, ladies. 1.00
00:22:12.540 Sorry.
00:22:13.060 It would appear from the evidence that those who are thirsting over Luigi, they're not his type.
00:22:21.020 In any case, what's the actual practical relevance of this tabloid news story?
00:22:25.220 The practical relevance, especially for you, is a reminder that sexual sins are really, really bad.
00:22:35.780 You know, I sometimes say it's always the ones you most expect.
00:22:37.980 You look at the disproportionate violence that appears to come from the transgender identifying community. 1.00
00:22:45.360 You notice that Ed Gein, this trans serial killer, was the inspiration for some of the most prominent horror movies ever. 0.99
00:22:52.160 Psycho, Silence of the Lambs, and a number of others.
00:22:55.620 There is a rejoinder to this from especially more liberal Christians.
00:23:00.840 And they'll say, we just want you to know that sexual sins are not the worst sins.
00:23:06.160 You guys need to stop focusing on sexual sins so much.
00:23:09.600 You're the image of the traditional Catholic who's just focused on, you know, all manner of sexual sins. 0.91
00:23:14.960 And yeah, you're right.
00:23:17.000 They're not the worst sins.
00:23:18.380 My main man, Dante, you know, greatest poet ever, right, describes the divine comedy and hell.
00:23:25.340 And he doesn't put the sexual sinners in the lowest pits of hell.
00:23:29.280 Far from it.
00:23:30.420 So they're not the worst sins.
00:23:32.560 Treachery, deceit, fraud.
00:23:33.960 These are much worse sins.
00:23:36.160 But sexual sins probably are the ones you should be most concerned about.
00:23:42.080 You know, be concerned about all of them.
00:23:43.500 But there is a reason that people have focused on them.
00:23:46.200 Because I think they're the most pervasive sins.
00:23:48.720 I believe there have been some kind of mystical apparitions in which Our Lady has observed that the sexual sins are the ones that ensnare this huge number of people into hell.
00:23:59.400 Why?
00:23:59.900 Because sex is so much a part of our nature.
00:24:02.100 That's why.
00:24:02.560 Because it's so easy to fall into them.
00:24:05.940 You can fall into pride and wrath and gluttony.
00:24:10.360 And you can fall into all of these.
00:24:11.560 But there's just something about sex.
00:24:13.500 It's so central to our nature.
00:24:15.320 It's so easy to go wrong.
00:24:17.000 And because sin darkens the intellect.
00:24:20.740 It just happens to be the case that when people fall into, like, weird sexual sin, a lot of other sins tend to follow.
00:24:28.140 Now, there's some good news on this.
00:24:29.280 Because you remember, oh, was it a week or so ago?
00:24:31.120 There was that study that came out of the UK that said that non-binary identity is in freefall among young people.
00:24:38.820 And some had concluded from that that trans identity was also in freefall among young people.
00:24:44.960 But it was unclear, actually, from that study whether or not that was true.
00:24:48.440 People could make that inference, but it wasn't really backed up by the numbers.
00:24:51.020 Now, we got the numbers.
00:24:54.880 The cooperative election study shows that trans identity is in freefall among young people.
00:25:02.080 Look at this graph.
00:25:04.140 2021, you see the non-binary identity there and the transgender identity.
00:25:09.300 It's way, way up.
00:25:10.020 Non-binary is a little over 3%.
00:25:12.080 Trans is between 5.5% and 6%. 0.97
00:25:14.900 Then it goes even higher in 2022.
00:25:17.920 This is post, you know, year two of the year of R. Floyd.
00:25:21.600 This is reaching peak wokeness, which is around 2022, 2023.
00:25:25.580 And then what happens?
00:25:27.040 Then what happens is kind of weird.
00:25:28.120 In 2023, non-binary ticks up a little bit, but it was still trailing trans identity in 2022.
00:25:35.840 But trans starts to go down, down, down, down, down. 1.00
00:25:38.100 Now they're both in freefall.
00:25:40.720 Which means that, you know how much I hate to say I told you so, but I went on the Jubilee show.
00:25:45.540 I was debating LGBT activists.
00:25:46.860 I said, I think this identity is a social contagion.
00:25:50.440 And they were all furious about it.
00:25:52.360 Because you're not allowed to say that.
00:25:53.300 This was supposed to be an inborn, immutable characteristic.
00:25:56.260 That's what we were told about the LGBTQ, LMNOP.
00:26:01.280 We were told it was all immutable characteristics.
00:26:03.280 You're born that way.
00:26:04.000 It's an orientation.
00:26:04.760 You can't change it.
00:26:05.660 If you ever try to change it, it's conversion therapy.
00:26:08.440 It's evil.
00:26:08.980 It's wicked.
00:26:09.460 It's terrible.
00:26:09.820 It's wrong.
00:26:10.320 It's not.
00:26:11.540 Then why are the numbers going down?
00:26:12.980 Is it because the trans-identifying young people are being forced back into the closet?
00:26:19.100 Say it's no longer socially acceptable.
00:26:21.440 You're talking about it's in our civil rights laws now.
00:26:25.080 This is socially acceptable just about as it's ever been in all of history.
00:26:28.440 Secondly, the numbers are still going down.
00:26:31.500 So you have to then turn from your one thesis, which was the innate, unchangeable, that thesis,
00:26:39.620 born this way thesis, to maybe human beings are mimetic creatures.
00:26:43.320 And we actually emulate each other's behaviors and even desires.
00:26:48.440 And maybe, if that's the case, maybe we can actually do things to discourage those kinds
00:26:54.120 of aberrant identities.
00:26:55.380 Okay.
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00:28:11.040 My favorite comment yesterday is from YouTube Kathy, who says, imagine believing that words
00:28:14.040 such as man can never become a woman is violence, but then actively promoting to shoot people
00:28:18.660 in the neck is a peaceful protest.
00:28:20.220 Yeah, I can imagine that because for the left, they look at us and they say that our speech
00:28:27.180 is violence.
00:28:29.000 But then they look at themselves and they say their violence is speech.
00:28:32.080 That's how it goes.
00:28:33.020 That's how it always goes.
00:28:33.680 Okay, very excited right now to bring on my friend, former congressman, maybe future
00:28:38.680 congressman, going to give us a look at the midterms, Madison Cawthorn.
00:28:42.920 The midterms will be upon us before we know it.
00:28:46.000 A lot of the political calculations are out the window now.
00:28:48.520 Typically, the party in the White House loses the midterm elections, but the Democrats are
00:28:52.160 openly embracing political violence and they've lost the popular vote for the first time in
00:28:56.960 20 years.
00:28:57.640 And who knows?
00:28:58.180 We just don't know what's going to happen.
00:28:59.720 A lot of Republicans getting into the fray, which means that the Republican candidates
00:29:05.060 at least think there's a good chance we do well in the midterms.
00:29:07.660 One of those candidates, don't call it a comeback, is Madison Cawthorn, who was the youngest member
00:29:14.020 of Congress elected to his class.
00:29:16.200 He previously served in North Carolina's 11th district, if I'm not mistaken.
00:29:20.340 And now he is looking to replace Byron Donalds in his seat in Florida when Byron runs for governor
00:29:26.580 of Florida, I am joined by Madison Cawthorn.
00:29:30.000 Madison, good to have you here.
00:29:32.420 Michael, it's great to be on, my friend.
00:29:33.880 I wish I had a Mayflower cigar.
00:29:35.320 It would complete the whole ensemble.
00:29:37.100 I was going to say, not only are you a great patriot, but also you have a great, great taste
00:29:42.500 in cigars as well.
00:29:43.680 So Madison, your race in particular is very, very interesting.
00:29:47.320 You got some of the most attention of anyone in your class.
00:29:50.500 Obviously, you know, very talented politician to manage to get yourself elected as the youngest
00:29:55.080 member of your class.
00:29:56.260 A lot of people really liked you.
00:29:58.360 A lot of people in Washington really didn't like you very much.
00:30:01.480 And so anyway, you lost re-election.
00:30:03.660 That was in Carolina.
00:30:04.720 Now you're going to be running in Florida.
00:30:08.060 Some people are going to say it's weird to switch states.
00:30:10.420 I actually don't really think it's all that weird because in the Federalist Papers, Alexander
00:30:15.020 Hamilton and our other framers envisioned that we'd have a more national kind of country
00:30:19.060 over time.
00:30:19.980 And really, what matters more today, just as a fact of politics, is party allegiance rather
00:30:25.080 than, you know, this district or that district.
00:30:27.380 People switch districts all the time.
00:30:28.820 That, to me, isn't all that surprising.
00:30:31.300 What challenges do you think you're going to face in the race?
00:30:35.280 Well, you know, I think if I was someone that just kind of parachuted in right at the
00:30:38.400 last minute when I realized that Byron was going to run for governor, I'd be facing
00:30:41.180 a much more uphill battle.
00:30:42.400 But, you know, I've lived in the district for four years.
00:30:44.340 I've been very active in the community.
00:30:46.120 I know a lot of great connections all around Southwest Florida.
00:30:49.420 And it's my home.
00:30:50.320 It's the place that I love.
00:30:51.340 You know, I remember right when I moved back down there, I was hit by Hurricane Ian about
00:30:55.700 three weeks after I closed on my house.
00:30:57.480 And so I always tell everyone I got baptized as a Floridian, you know, just getting to
00:31:00.740 see how all the community came together, start helping one another.
00:31:03.280 It really gave me a love for the district.
00:31:05.100 And it showed me what the kind of people are.
00:31:06.440 And since then, it's been my home.
00:31:07.620 I'm never looking back.
00:31:08.960 Okay.
00:31:09.380 So then the question that's going to be on a lot of voters' minds, I'm sure, is, all
00:31:12.320 right, well, you lost last time and you're going to run again this time.
00:31:16.540 What have you learned since then?
00:31:18.560 You know, did you take any lessons away from it?
00:31:20.220 Was it just a fluke that you lost?
00:31:21.960 Have you changed your views or your behavior in some way?
00:31:25.400 What's the difference between Madison 1.0 and Madison 2.0?
00:31:29.840 Well, Michael, I'll tell you, I think the biggest thing, and I hesitate to ever call myself wise,
00:31:34.860 but I will tell you that I've gained a lot of shrewdness.
00:31:37.140 I've gained a lot more wisdom since that time.
00:31:39.900 And, you know, when you're 24 years old, I hold almost all the exact same beliefs and
00:31:43.520 convictions that I held when I was first elected.
00:31:46.240 But now I've gotten more of maturity and more of a sense of how to fight those battles rather
00:31:50.800 than just going in like a bull in a china shop.
00:31:52.960 It's more so, you know, how can we actually move the needle in essence to be able to help
00:31:56.800 the American people? You know, we are facing a lot of damaging situations in our country right
00:32:00.980 now. And if we start electing people who are just going to go there and get led around like
00:32:04.240 puppies by the leadership on both sides of the aisle, then we're going to face exactly the same
00:32:08.880 status quo we faced for the last six decades. And that's not something that we can afford right
00:32:12.600 now, especially with the temperature that's going on inside of our country. We need people who are
00:32:15.860 going to go there, who are going to have the backbone to stand up fiercely, but also have the
00:32:19.320 shrewdness to be able to actually accomplish their objectives.
00:32:21.900 Yeah, I know. I think that's an important point on shrewdness because I can't help but notice
00:32:25.440 a lot of the personal attacks on you came out after you called out some bad behavior in Washington,
00:32:31.420 D.C. You said a lot of people in our government, they do kind of weird, freaky stuff that's sometimes
00:32:37.060 illegal and generally disreputable. And then I noticed all these personal attacks started coming
00:32:42.160 out on you. I wonder if there's a connection between those two things. So, okay, let's look into
00:32:46.860 this race. Obviously, it's a different year than the last time you were in Congress. Different issues
00:32:52.280 are rising to the fore. A different calculation. What are the Republicans in the midterms going to
00:32:58.960 be running on? You know, you talked to Republicans across the country in 2024. They were running on the
00:33:03.900 kitchen table issues, but transgenderism, transing the kids was a big issue, you know, protecting girl
00:33:09.600 sports or whatever. That was just a big issue that viscerally hit people. What are the issues you're
00:33:14.960 running on now? You know, I'll tell you, I think that now that we have President Trump in the White
00:33:20.680 House in Washington, D.C., I think we're seeing a lot of those national issues start being handled in
00:33:24.920 a timely manner, which I'm very thankful of. But right now, I think just as a whole, as the
00:33:29.760 conservative movement, we need to take a step back and say, why are the policies that our country
00:33:34.120 is pushing forward not helping the next generation? Why can people that are around my age not be able to
00:33:39.180 afford a home? Why is insurance so out of control? Why is our infrastructure so outdated and has not been
00:33:44.440 actually tackled in a way that makes sense for everyday Americans? And so right now, I'm thinking
00:33:48.900 about ways to diversify the economy in southwest Florida. I'm thinking about ways to make sure that
00:33:52.860 people can get into the home ownership game. And also because it's not just because owning a home
00:33:57.540 is cool and it's a great investment. It's more so that owning a home is something that is paramount to
00:34:02.720 the American idea. It's something that is so crucial for people to be able to own private property
00:34:08.720 rights. Because in this country, you know, your house is your castle. You are the royalty in this
00:34:13.660 nation. You are supposed to lead. You look at the first three words of the preamble of the
00:34:16.500 constitution. You know, it's we the people. We the people are the ones who are supposed to be
00:34:19.680 steering the ship. And I think there's been such a movement by the left for the last several decades
00:34:23.540 to try and encourage people to have children later and later, to abort their children so they don't 0.99
00:34:27.700 have to have them, and not to own homes, to be a renter society. And I think that gives a much
00:34:32.220 long, a much more long-term political game plan. Because if you don't actually own the dirt that
00:34:37.200 you're living on, you don't care about the status of the nation. If you don't have any vested interest in
00:34:41.160 the next generation, you don't care about, you know, the financial outcome of the country in
00:34:44.720 the next 30 years. And then you're just going to, of course, say, vote. Give me me, me, me, me,
00:34:48.360 whatever I can take from others is going to be better in the long term, because I don't actually
00:34:52.300 care about what happens in the future. And so I think we need to start attacking that. And even if
00:34:55.800 we have to go outside of the normal conservative doctrine to be able to make homeownership affordable
00:35:00.820 for people, I think that is the way we should be doing things. And what do you mean by that?
00:35:04.500 Because this is really interesting to me. When I was growing up, there were three bullet points on
00:35:09.160 the back of a napkin on conservative economic policy. And if you ever questioned any of them,
00:35:13.640 you know, any of the great doctors of the Church of Libertarianism, you know,
00:35:17.300 St. Milton Friedman or something, on anything, you were cast into the outer darkness.
00:35:22.520 In recent years, there's been, I think, a kind of reduction in the influence of that hardcore
00:35:28.740 laissez-faire economic mindset. And not an abandonment of that exactly, but just a recognition
00:35:35.300 that we don't want to put the cart before the horse. You know, we're not a political community
00:35:38.360 serving an economic market, but rather we have economic markets to serve our political
00:35:44.140 community. So what kind of policies are you talking about here to make homeownership more
00:35:48.460 affordable?
00:35:50.280 So, you know, I think what people consider is what we do want with, like, laissez-faire economic
00:35:55.040 policy is, I think, actually the way to go, especially if we're talking about overseas trade
00:35:59.100 and here in America. But unfortunately, for the last four to five decades, we have not been
00:36:03.460 having that. We've been having things that are just completely attacked and the federal
00:36:08.160 government has become so far involved that we really don't have any free markets anymore.
00:36:12.660 You look at the cost of insurance in the state of Florida. There is literal regulations all
00:36:17.060 across this country that make insurance prices, whether it's health care or home insurance,
00:36:20.720 go through the roof. And it's because they stifle the ability for people to have competition.
00:36:24.840 I'm all for a free market with actual free competition. But when you have overseas multinational
00:36:29.840 conglomerates, buying up single family homes, obviously we're pointing the finger mainly
00:36:33.620 at Blackstone and Blackrock here. Obviously, that's going to make the ability for a single
00:36:38.880 mother with three kids who lost her husband in a forever war that we shouldn't have been
00:36:42.960 fighting in the first place, ability to be able to buy a home going to be impossible.
00:36:46.880 When those children deserve to be raised, you know, an American cul-de-sac where they get
00:36:50.540 to go to prom, they go on vacation a couple of times a year, they get to have a great life.
00:36:54.560 And so anything that we can do to encourage more competition in the marketplace, to bring prices
00:36:58.620 down for everyday Americans, to make it so that we don't have such runaway inflation,
00:37:02.400 whether that means going back to the gold standard or whether that means putting very,
00:37:06.180 very strict dampeners on the amount of economic easing that the Federal Reserve is allowed to do.
00:37:11.020 All of those things will net positives for the American people having more buying power with
00:37:15.100 their dollars and for being able to be into the housing market.
00:37:19.440 Okay. Now, before I let you go, it's a red district you're looking at. So if you, you know,
00:37:24.260 if you get the nomination, you're good. That's great. You don't need to worry about that.
00:37:27.400 The makeup of the Congress generally a little less clear where there are swing districts or
00:37:32.720 gettable districts, maybe for the Dems and for the Republicans. So if past is precedent,
00:37:38.260 Republicans are going to face a tough year because it's the first midterm after the big
00:37:41.920 presidential election. We are supposed to lose the house and we've got a razor thin majority as it
00:37:47.140 stands. So all of history, all things being equal says we should lose the house. Republicans should
00:37:52.680 lose seats. But all things are not equal. We're in a very, very strange moment. Republicans have a
00:37:57.960 unified government right now. The Democrats are celebrating, you know, murdering Republicans 0.93
00:38:01.980 and, you know, open borders and rioting in the streets. And they're just on the wrong side of
00:38:08.040 like every single 80-20 issue almost. So I'm open to the possibility that things shift. But if you
00:38:14.860 had to be a brutal, cold-blooded political analyst right now, put your race aside,
00:38:21.780 do the Republicans gain seats or lose seats in the midterms?
00:38:25.600 I think we gain seats. You know, the left has been playing without rules for so long in our economic,
00:38:30.520 our political process, whether you look at the way that they're gerrymandering districts, the way
00:38:34.580 they're trying to subvert people's actual voice to be able to select their own representatives.
00:38:38.540 That's no longer the game that's being played. You know, for so long, for the last, you know,
00:38:41.800 again, I know I've said this probably three times now, for the last six decades, Republicans' entire
00:38:46.040 dogma and mantra was, hey, don't rock the boat too much. We don't want to rock the boat. We don't
00:38:50.020 want to upset the apple cart. My entire mantra is that the boat is sinking. We need to fight right
00:38:54.500 now like we're about to lose the republic because we absolutely are. And so I completely applaud what
00:38:59.660 the GOP is doing, trying to redraw districts all around the country to make it more competitive
00:39:04.020 for Republicans to be able to hold the majority, because this is what the Democrats have been doing
00:39:07.280 for so long. And you ask yourself, well, that doesn't sound fair. Is that really right?
00:39:10.980 These people have absolutely no values. Their only value is the gaining of power. And once they gain
00:39:16.960 power, they're willing to use force. We saw this all through 2020 and the COVID, watching how they
00:39:22.020 used force to perpetuate and make sure that people abided by whatever they were saying their values
00:39:27.560 were at the time. But if you look, I mean, if you ask yourself, who is legitimately the leader of the
00:39:32.020 Democratic Party? Is it AOC? Is it Chuck Schumer? They're both marching on this ridiculous death cult,
00:39:37.760 trying to make sure that we can have a shutdown government while the Republicans are 0.90
00:39:40.960 bringing world peace, sowing economic change that's going to change the face of America
00:39:45.700 for decades to come. We are the party with a plan. We are the party who is a big tent party.
00:39:50.740 We don't say that, hey, you have to be completely ideologically aligned with us or else you have
00:39:54.820 no place in this party. No, we welcome people from different ideological backgrounds. I mean,
00:39:58.800 the thing that I love about the right is we can have open debate without having to shoot somebody,
00:40:03.100 or we can have open debate without saying, no, you're actually not a Democrat. You have to go to the
00:40:06.180 other side. And I hesitate to paint with a broad brush saying Democrats are all evil. I think 0.83
00:40:11.320 people that were JFK Democrats in the mid-90s who are now starting to, they're kind of out of touch
00:40:16.600 with what's going on in America today. I view them very differently than what's going on with leftists
00:40:21.160 in this country. The leftists in this country hate everything that America stands for. They hate the
00:40:25.180 direction our country's going in. And they will do anything so long as it gets Trump, even if it hurts
00:40:30.080 Americans. Yeah, well, I think you're right. I mean, those JFK Democrats, I don't know.
00:40:34.920 I think the last one of them, you know, went away long ago. The battle lines are pretty clear. And
00:40:40.260 I'm sympathetic to your point. You say, who's the leader of the Democrat party? Because I remember
00:40:44.580 the Democrats tried to pull this thing 10, 15 years ago. They said, Rush Limbaugh is the de facto
00:40:49.500 leader of the Republican party. And that, look, Rush was awesome. Would that he was the leader of the
00:40:54.860 Republican party. But, you know, there was a kind of a gap between the base and the GOP at that point.
00:40:59.060 And I thought it was a disingenuous kind of attack. Today, though, if we say AOC is the leader of the
00:41:06.280 Democrat party, I would just ask the Democrats, well, give me an alternative. Who do you think
00:41:11.620 is the leader of the party? I'm saying AOC sincerely, but do you have an alternative?
00:41:16.220 Gavin Newsom? Like, not really. Maybe that's probably just as bad. Schumer? I don't think anyone
00:41:21.240 really thinks it's Schumer, kind of. And that's also no. So I don't know. I like, give me,
00:41:24.840 give me the answer. But I agree. The leadership all the way on down among the Democrats right now
00:41:30.680 is just deeply unpopular. They picked those positions. They made themselves captive to their
00:41:35.400 base. And they might upend precedent and give Republican seats in the midterms. Okay. Madison,
00:41:40.160 where can people go to check out more of your campaign? You can go to my website at
00:41:44.540 madisoncawthorne.com or follow me on any social media at Madison Cawthorne. You know, Michael,
00:41:49.340 I got to say, I'm such a big fan of your show, everything that you guys do. Thank you so much for all
00:41:53.580 the cigars that you and I have gotten to smoke over the time. So you're just a big hero in the
00:41:56.620 conservative movement. And I really appreciate everything you do. Well, I appreciate, as I
00:42:00.020 told you all, it's very kind of you to say, Madison. And I said, you can judge a lot about a man by his
00:42:05.420 taste in cigars. You know, it's a real symbol of wisdom and judgment. And Michael, I'll go even
00:42:11.220 further. I think that American smoking cigars can actually save our Republic. And I am not being
00:42:16.520 facetious when I say this, because what's the one thing that's so unique about a cigar is it locks you
00:42:21.500 into a 20 to 30 minute conversation? Yes. And I think almost every American, regardless of what
00:42:26.320 political side you walk on, I think we all have about 10 to 15 minutes of pre-recorded messaging
00:42:31.460 that's just been ingrained into our minds by whatever media we consume. But once people have
00:42:36.360 to start doing actual critical thinking, you get to realize that most people just want what's best
00:42:41.360 for the country. And they get all bought in, especially on the left, they get bought into these
00:42:44.880 emotional pleas that make them want to hate our country and hate the way that our society and hate
00:42:49.260 our lineage. But in reality, America is the greatest uplifter of Americans in all in all
00:42:54.180 of history. If people have an actual conversation where they're not relying on these hard line
00:42:58.140 talking points that's been told by them by some talking head on CNN, then genuinely they'll
00:43:01.900 realize, well, yeah, I do want more of my money in my pocket. And you're right. I don't want to send
00:43:05.900 money overseas for no pointless reason. And you're right. I don't want our sons and daughters to go
00:43:09.780 die overseas. And that is the way I think we're going to save a country. It's by getting more cigars
00:43:13.720 in more people's hands. I couldn't possibly agree more. They're also cigars are very lowercase
00:43:18.580 Democratic. You know, they're very, they're a social equalizer. You get blue collar, white 0.74
00:43:23.840 collar, all sorts of backgrounds. People come together. Good conversation. Very wise statement.
00:43:29.360 Okay. So go to Madison's website. Madison, excellent to see you as always.
00:43:33.720 Great to see you, Michael. Have a great one, brother.
00:43:35.740 Good to see all of you. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show. See you next time.
00:43:48.580 Matt, say something that'll get us canceled. If you really want me to.
00:43:53.840 Friendly fire is back. Should we ever do this again? No. No safe zones. Do not unify around
00:44:00.300 your crazies. I don't want your olive branch. Screw you. It's absolutely despicable. Nothing 0.97
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00:44:11.160 Court reliable. Huge announcements. Brand new, massive, incredible series. The Pendragon cycle. 0.70
00:44:18.480 Ambitious and big and beautiful. And this is the thing that sets us apart. More revelations on the
00:44:25.300 way. I just want to make one more point here and then you can say whatever you want. I'm not going
00:44:27.840 to play that game with you. What makes you a conservative? No, I don't think that's right.
00:44:31.260 Well, I mean, hold on. I just want to say I agree with that. I totally disagree with it. I have to say
00:44:36.300 that Friendly Fire, October 29th, 7 p.m. Eastern. The Friendly Fire should stop across the board.
00:44:42.940 You mean the show. Not just that you mean the show.