The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1846 - 10,000 Attend JD Vance & Erika Kirk’s Viral Campus Speech

00:00:00.000 Vice President J.D. Vance showed up to speak with Erica Kirk last night at Ole Miss to an audience

00:00:04.880 of over 10,000. The event was remarkable for a number of reasons. One, it carried on Charlie's

00:00:11.120 legacy. Two, it showed leadership and coalition building. But three, the most notable part came

00:00:18.180 in the Q&A. When the vice president rewrote GOP orthodoxy to bring it more in line with classical

00:00:26.640 conservatism, with Gen Z conservatism in particular, and also coincidentally with the truth.

00:00:32.840 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:49.360 Welcome back to the show.

00:00:55.200 As the government shutdown carries on, there's some threats to the SNAP program, EBT, food stamps.

00:01:02.360 There's a video gone viral of an Iraqi refugee. Put refugee in quotes because he's a guy. He's a

00:01:11.560 grown man. He seems to be totally able-bodied. Looks like he could work and support himself.

00:01:17.040 And he's gone viral for saying that he won't be able to stay in this country if the government

00:01:21.780 doesn't pay for his food. Raises a lot of questions, actually. This shutdown has exposed

00:01:27.880 a lot, I think. But one thing it's exposed is all of the abuses to our entitlement programs,

00:01:33.580 how they manipulate the rest of the economy. So we will get to that momentarily. We have an expert,

00:01:39.240 someone very close to the situation coming on. First, though, we have a comment for the day.

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00:03:02.820 Before we get into the vice president's excellent event last night with Erica Kirk at Ole Miss,

00:03:09.160 before we get into the Iraqi refugees, quote unquote, who apparently can't live without 1.00

00:03:15.100 government subsidized food. Before we get into unbelievable CNN polls on issues ranging from

00:03:21.660 the shutdown to the environment, I want to bring on Senator Rand Paul. I can't say he's my senator.

00:03:26.900 He is like the top hat to my state. He is the senator from Kentucky and obviously a stalwart,

00:03:33.160 especially on matters of government spending, who's going to give us a little update on this

00:03:37.540 never-ending government shutdown. Senator, thank you for coming on the show.

00:03:41.520 Thanks for having me.

00:03:42.480 So, Senator, I was at your place of work two days ago, and it was very weird because there were many

00:03:48.660 fewer people in the Capitol than there usually are. Traffic in D.C. was great. I could get from

00:03:53.780 Reagan Airport to the Capitol in no time. I don't know. To me, this government shutdown seemed

00:03:58.160 pretty good. There's some polling that suggests that the shutdown really hasn't worked for Democrats

00:04:03.820 in the way they thought that it would. And so, as a result, there seems to be no impetus to actually

00:04:10.440 reopen the government. I mean, from the legislature, where does it stand?

00:04:15.800 You know, there's always the danger that government closes down and no one notices.

00:04:19.780 And that's a little bit of why typically people will play it up. You know, you remember when one

00:04:27.320 of the shutdowns, I think this was under Obama, he closed down the overlook on the side of the road

00:04:33.440 to see Mount Rushmore. They actually sent people out there with pylons and tape and roped it off.

00:04:39.240 It actually involved effort because no one is usually there. You just pull over and it's a viewpoint.

00:04:44.060 But, you know, I think that what hasn't been discussed enough of is the Democrats' objections.

00:04:50.940 People gloss over it. They say, well, they're objecting because they want these Obamacare

00:04:55.060 subsidies. Well, someone should discuss what they are. If you make $225,000 a year,

00:05:02.240 the Obamacare subsidy gives you $1,500. If you make $100,000 a year, you get $13,000.

00:05:08.420 So the Democrats are refusing to go along with the spending level that they voted for

00:05:13.560 last year. Essentially, these are the Biden spending levels. They're refusing to vote again

00:05:18.520 for them because unless they get subsidies for rich people. I mean, really? So food stamps are

00:05:24.040 going to end, you know, in a couple of days, but they're doing this because they want to make sure

00:05:29.580 somebody making $100,000 a year gets a $13,000 healthcare premium subsidy. So I think it's a

00:05:36.360 ridiculous notion and ultimately the Democrats will have to come back to the table. Now, from my 0.51

00:05:41.560 point of view, both the plans are terrible. I mean, the Republican plan will add $2 trillion in debt,

00:05:46.740 the Democrat, the Democrat, the Democrat, the Democrat. I would prefer something that I've

00:05:52.160 presented, which is called the penny plan, which would actually balance the budget over about a

00:05:56.400 five-year period. Well, I love that point, actually, because when I looked at the proposal,

00:06:02.260 you know, the continuing resolution and then looking ahead to some of the budgetary fights, I thought

00:06:06.760 this doesn't change all that much. I mean, the CR is literally, as you say, just giving Democrats

00:06:13.400 the opportunity to go along with something they already voted for under Biden. So then what changes

00:06:18.800 do they want? I suspect they honed in on this healthcare issue because it's one of the few issues

00:06:23.660 that they still seem to be above water on. There was a poll came out, I forget who put it out about a

00:06:27.940 month ago, showed Democrats are on the wrong side of basically every major political issue

00:06:32.840 other than women's issues, which are not a high priority for most voters. It really just means 1.00

00:06:39.840 abortion. Environmentalism, not a high priority for most voters. And healthcare. So they said,

00:06:44.820 okay, we'll double down on healthcare. But when you dig into the reality of it, there was this problem

00:06:49.680 of subsidizing healthcare for illegal aliens. And then, as you point out, subsidies for rich people.

00:06:53.960 So then my question is, if the shutdown isn't hurting Republicans and the Democrats maybe launched

00:07:01.140 it as a Hail Mary, it's not really working for them either. What's going to actually reopen the

00:07:06.240 government? Is it going to be the end of the SNAP program? Is it going to be flights being delayed

00:07:12.500 or canceled? When do we think it'll reopen? I think it's going to happen soon because I think the Democrats,

00:07:21.300 their whole history has been criticizing Republicans for shutting down the government. Now that they're

00:07:26.280 on the side of not continuing their current spending levels, I think really they're beginning

00:07:32.420 to break. I think that within a week, the government will reopen again. And I think it happens quicker

00:07:38.700 the more of the public understands that they're shutting it down in order to preserve subsidies for rich

00:07:44.200 people. I mean, this has not been discussed in the mainstream media. Very few people have dug into

00:07:49.700 the details. We're not talking about healthcare for people making $25,000 or $5,000 or $5,000 or $5,000.

00:07:56.060 We're talking about subsidies for people making $200,000 a year. It's completely insane. And I think

00:08:02.940 if you polled the issue, are you with Democrats on healthcare if it means they're closing the

00:08:08.400 government down to preserve subsidies for people making $200,000 a year? It's a loser. But the only reason 0.98

00:08:14.880 they're winning on is because nobody has any idea what they're actually advocating.

00:08:18.720 It's a great point, Senator Paul. I think you've thrown it into stark relief that early on we said,

00:08:24.740 look, we all agree this shutdown is about Democrats trying to make some move on healthcare. But then

00:08:29.480 when you dig into the details, okay, how many Americans really want to subsidize healthcare

00:08:33.220 for illegal aliens? How many Americans think that rich people don't get enough? We need to really

00:08:40.000 focus on the, won't somebody please think about the rich people? So a great point. I'm seeing some

00:08:45.060 reporting now coming out of the Hill that says that Democrats are starting to get a little weak in the

00:08:48.980 knee. Amazing. I never thought I'd see it in my lifetime that a government shutdown would not be

00:08:55.940 blamed on Republicans and that the Democrats would have to buckle. Senator Paul, please enjoy the light

00:09:00.960 traffic in DC while you still can. And thanks for everything you do.

00:09:05.680 Thank you.

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00:11:45.380 exclusions apply. I talked about it a little bit with Senator Paul. Even CNN has to admit

00:11:53.680 this shutdown is not working for Democrats. Starting with Republicans, how has the shutdown

00:12:00.240 seemed to have affected their political standing? Yeah, you might think, given that the Republicans

00:12:05.060 are in charge of both the House and the Senate, that a government shutdown might actually hurt

00:12:08.600 the Republican brand. But in fact, it hasn't. If anything, it's been helped a little bit.

00:12:13.760 Take a look here, the shift in net popularity versus pre-shutdown. When we're looking at the

00:12:18.480 Republican Party overall, that brand actually up two points. That's within the margin of error,

00:12:22.580 but clearly it hasn't dropped. Come over to this side of the screen. Look at the net approval

00:12:26.260 ratings for Republicans in Congress. It's actually up five points since pre-shutdown. So what we're

00:12:31.900 seeing here is the Republican brand in Congress has actually improved somewhat compared to where we

00:12:37.180 were pre-shutdown, despite the fact that Republicans control. And that's the math that John Thune

00:12:41.480 and Mike Johnson are looking at is, hey, why should we give, and electorally speaking,

00:12:45.480 when our brand has actually improved a little bit?

00:12:48.580 This is not even just with the Republican base. Because you could say, okay, well,

00:12:52.560 the reason why the popularity has gone up over all three points is because the Republican base just

00:12:59.440 really, really loves this. So even if the Democrats and Independents hate it, it just balances out and

00:13:03.580 actually adds a few points anyway. No, they're up eight points even with Independents.

00:13:07.820 And the reason for this is Democrats thought that this was all politics as usual and nothing's

00:13:14.520 changed in the last five or 10 years. And so the Republicans are always going to be blamed for a

00:13:18.080 shutdown, even if it's the Democrats who shut it down. And I guess the point, and we'll really get

00:13:21.880 to this with J.D. Vance and Erica Kirk at Ole Miss last night. The point is, no, politics has changed

00:13:27.960 radically, seismically. And Democrats are playing the old songbook. It's not working anymore.

00:13:35.380 It doesn't work on the audience. So Democrats shut the government down because nothing was

00:13:42.520 working for them and they were on the wrong side of virtually every 80-20 issue. They thought they

00:13:46.220 had a chance to push this on healthcare using a tactic that always worked for them, that always

00:13:51.200 redounded to the detriment of Republicans. And none of that worked. None of that worked.

00:13:56.840 And now you're seeing, Senator Paul thinks it'll be within a week, you are seeing

00:14:00.380 the Democrats even have to backtrack on that. In other words, we are in uncharted waters.

00:14:08.980 Now, the CNN pollster, I don't know, I got to start watching CNN. When they talk about the polls,

00:14:14.800 the hard data that are a little more difficult to manipulate than the opinion programming,

00:14:19.840 all the news is great for Republicans, including something we talked about yesterday.

00:14:23.720 I said yesterday that Bill Gates has come out. He's one of the greatest climate alarmists in the

00:14:29.780 country, in the world. And he's come out and said, actually, climate change isn't going to kill us

00:14:33.680 all. And I said, don't be fooled. This is not Bill Gates having some change of heart that just he

00:14:38.760 followed the science and the science led him on. This is a realization that climate change as a

00:14:43.520 political issue is not working anymore because they promised the apocalypse. The apocalypse didn't come.

00:14:48.040 Now they have to recalibrate. They're following political metrics, not scientific metrics. CNN

00:14:54.360 backing that up because right now, when you hear the Democrats tune changing on climate change,

00:15:00.000 it's going to be following public opinion.

00:15:04.340 I think a lot of people will agree with Bill Gates that maybe this wouldn't be the end of humanity.

00:15:09.940 And I think, you know, we've been talking about climate change now for decades upon decades upon

00:15:14.280 decades. And the worry in terms of climate change, simply put, hasn't shifted. It has not reached the

00:15:19.600 majority of Americans. What are we talking about? Greatly worried about climate change. You go all

00:15:23.040 the way back to 1989, it was 35 percent, 2000, 40 percent, 2020, 46 percent. And in 2025, look at that,

00:15:30.800 it's 40 percent, the same number as we had 25 years ago back in 2000, and then only just five points

00:15:37.920 higher than we had back in 1989. Really, we've just seen consistency on this issue. The bottom line is that

00:15:43.460 the climate change message that folks who, of course, believe that climate change is real and

00:15:47.980 is quite worrisome, simply put, has not really worked with the American people.

00:15:51.720 So greatly worried. You say greatly worried. I mean, so people say they're greatly worried,

00:15:56.740 40 percent. But how worried, really? Is it the biggest thing they're worried about?

00:16:00.660 Yeah, it is not anywhere close to being the biggest thing that people are worried about.

00:16:04.600 What are we talking about here? Well, why don't we just talk about top issue facing the U.S.,

00:16:08.460 climate change? Well, I got some numbers for you on the screen right here.

00:16:11.340 These two guys are great. It almost is like an onion or a Babylon bee sketch. Well,

00:16:18.700 things look really, really terrible for Democrats, but how terrible are they? 0.98

00:16:22.120 They're totally freaking terrible, man. It just couldn't possibly be any worse. 0.96

00:16:26.960 That's good. And why? Why? Because it used to be the case back in the heyday of wokeism,

00:16:34.980 you had 3 percent of people say, oh, climate change is really a top priority. And now it's down to 2 percent.

00:16:40.400 But you saw those numbers remain pretty stable going back to 1989. And the libs have been pushing

00:16:45.380 the climate change stuff since the 70s. The numbers don't really change. It got up in the 2000s.

00:16:51.240 That was kind of peak climate change hysteria. And then it just dropped back down again. And it's

00:16:56.940 always 35 to 45 percent somewhere in there. At the one place I would disagree with those CNN

00:17:02.380 pollsters, though, is they say clearly this the climate change messaging hasn't worked.

00:17:06.880 And I don't think that's fair to say because you did have the numbers increase

00:17:10.440 into the 2000s and 20 teens. I remember it. I was there. I remember when people sincerely

00:17:15.720 believed that the sun monster was going to kill us all. I remember when people would not have

00:17:20.320 children. They would decide not to have children because they didn't want to bring them into a world

00:17:25.700 of climate apocalypse. I remember when Greta Thunberg dropped out of school to sail a boat around the

00:17:30.760 ocean because she thought that was going to forestall the sun monster. It was a kind of inverse rain dance

00:17:35.420 or something. I remember that. I was there. The messaging did work. It stopped working because the

00:17:42.840 climate apocalypse never materialized. It was not a rhetorical problem. It was not a communications

00:17:51.120 problem. It was a fact problem. It was a science problem. The thing they said wasn't true.

00:17:57.780 So that's so don't don't let him get away with this. Don't let him say we just need to find better

00:18:02.340 ways to message around climate change. No, no, no. You lied. In some cases, you were honestly

00:18:07.300 mistaken, I guess. Some of you were just dupes. But in some cases, you lied because climate change

00:18:13.340 was always primarily a political issue, not some kind of scientific issue. And one of the pieces of

00:18:19.800 evidence for that is that it was always so perfectly calculated that that disaster was just on the

00:18:26.560 horizon. You could see it. You could get worried. You could be manipulated. It wasn't too far into

00:18:30.860 the future that you put it off for another day. And it generally wasn't so close that there was

00:18:36.940 nothing to do and we could just live it up. It was always perfectly politically calibrated. You're in

00:18:41.740 the midst of a political recalibration. It's not because it's not because the Democrats just need

00:18:47.020 to figure out a better way to get their message out there. It's that people don't want what they're

00:18:50.480 selling. Now you're seeing a shift on the right as well. This was just magnificently embodied last

00:18:56.840 night by J.D. Vance and Erica Kirk at the Turning Point stop in Ole Miss. Really, really pleased to see

00:19:03.140 the vice president joining Charlie's widow here because I think J.D. Vance is probably the one figure on the

00:19:12.700 right with the stature and the temperament and the platform to really keep this whole coalition

00:19:21.240 together, which was something that Charlie singularly was able to do. And so I'm really

00:19:26.380 pleased to see him taking time out of his busy schedule to do this. He also did the Q&A. At these

00:19:32.500 kinds of events, you go, you give a speech or you have a conversation. Charlie and I was supposed to be

00:19:38.540 12 days after he was murdered. We were going to do a little conversation at a campus back and forth.

00:19:44.080 But then, of course, the key to these events is the Q&A. And for someone like Charlie, a civil

00:19:53.560 debater and an activist, for a communicator to go out there and do the Q&A is one thing.

00:19:59.640 For the sitting vice president to just open himself up to anybody, come with any of your questions,

00:20:03.960 any of your comments, any of your complaints, is politically a very courageous thing to do.

00:20:08.540 He did not disappoint in his answers. Right off the top, very fitting for the

00:20:13.580 occasion and for our moment in history. He was asked about God in the public square.

00:20:20.560 Do not. You do not have to completely kick God out of the public square, which is what we've done

00:20:27.880 in modern America. It's not what the founders wanted. It's not good for the United States of

00:20:32.420 America. And anybody who tells you it's required by the Constitution is lying to you.

00:20:36.580 100% correct. J.D. Vance is a graduate of what I think is still considered the most

00:20:42.120 prestigious law school in the country, even though it produces a lot of crazy people.

00:20:45.280 His whole answer was even better. We don't have time to get to it. But he explained how

00:20:49.660 when the First Amendment was ratified, it does not establish a firm separation of church and state.

00:20:55.360 It says that there will be no religious establishment at the federal level because there were state

00:21:00.600 establishments. There were churches established at the state level.

00:21:03.080 I mean, this is the kind of stuff that serious conservatives, avant-garde conservatives and

00:21:10.260 so more classical conservatives, those seem like opposites, but they actually kind of go together

00:21:14.020 because everything that was old is new again. We've been talking about this stuff for years.

00:21:18.760 We have basically never seen this articulated by a national politician at the level of a J.D.

00:21:24.420 Vance, and he articulates it perfectly. Okay, this is really, really exciting stuff.

00:21:30.300 And he doesn't just stop with Christianity there. He makes a point about liberalism that is so

00:21:37.480 precise and so necessary for understanding how to combat it.

00:21:43.380 I'm thrilled to hear you articulate Christian values on a stage like this and to remind us

00:21:48.580 that things we take for granted and things we value so much have a Christian origin. So thank you for

00:21:54.080 that. I really mean that. However-

00:21:56.300 So much of liberalism, by the way, so much of the far left is a sort of, if you really pay attention

00:22:01.980 to it, it's a kind of perverted version of Christianity. Like there's nothing wrong, 1.00

00:22:07.440 of course, with focusing on people who are disenfranchised, for example, that's the focus

00:22:13.400 of liberalism. But if you completely separate it from any religious duty, any civic virtue,

00:22:19.960 then that can actually become, for example, an inducement to lawlessness.

00:22:24.640 Yes, yes. Thank you. Thank you. Love it. When was the last time you heard a national politician

00:22:31.800 at this level speaking in this way? In a way that, by the way, is very gracious to the left.

00:22:37.340 Because what J.D. is saying here is not just, those liberals are crazy, aren't they? Or those liberals are 0.99

00:22:42.740 dumb. And we all want the same ends, but we have different ways of getting there or something. 1.00

00:22:47.340 Look at the wacky left. No. He's saying the left is seeking a kind of a good. It's just that the

00:22:54.680 good is perverse because it's this kind of er version of the true religion. It's actually tracing

00:23:02.680 the genealogy of liberalism. He's saying it comes from Christendom. And in that way, he's chasing

00:23:08.560 the genealogy of our civilization. He says our civilization is Christendom, okay? And the true

00:23:14.280 faith is Christianity. And the moral order derives from the Christian religion because

00:23:19.880 it's all true. And then liberalism deviates from that. And that's true. I mean, just as

00:23:24.260 a matter of history, the Enlightenment Project was a way to preserve Christendom. It was supposed

00:23:28.980 to be a way to preserve Christendom without all that pesky Christianity, to establish a moral 0.99

00:23:34.040 order without necessarily having any firm convictions. And it's because the Enlightenment Project

00:23:39.940 follows the wars of religion that occurred after the 16th century. And it just tried to create this

00:23:48.340 secular, rational basis for things that didn't work. And J.D. is saying that. He's just saying,

00:23:53.320 look, the liberal ideology, as well as its descendant ideologies like communism or fascism,

00:24:01.760 all these things, they're just perversions of the truth because they go wrong in the first principles.

00:24:07.840 And so people might earnestly be seeking the good with these ideologies. It's just not going to work

00:24:12.360 because they're getting the first things wrong. That is so accurate. It actually advances the 0.96

00:24:17.720 conversation. It moves the ball down the field and it regrounds our civilization where it has to be.

00:24:22.360 And the only thing that really works, which is the truth at all levels, not just economic and social

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00:25:56.240 Fund Distributors, LLC. Folks, I want to hear your mellifluous voices, but in order to do so,

00:26:03.160 you have to go to dailywire.com. Then you go to the watch page. Then you go to the Michael

00:26:07.220 Knowles Show page. This should be bookmarked. This should be your homepage anyway. Then you click on

00:26:11.200 submit a mailbag question, and then you can either type it out. If you're a little more digital,

00:26:16.820 digital with your fingers, or you can record it. Please keep it to 30 seconds. I implore you. I

00:26:21.940 beg you. I'd love to listen to your memoir, your audio book memoir, but we don't have time on the

00:26:26.860 show. So certainly under a minute, keep it to 30 seconds, attach that file, and then I'll hear

00:26:30.880 your beautiful voices on Friday. Okay. Moving on from the religious questions. JD is asked about

00:26:37.240 immigration. He offers a major upending of GOP orthodoxy. 0.64

00:26:44.860 My question to you is, what is your view on legal immigration? Personally, I have a girlfriend

00:26:50.260 who's studying in America off a visa. Our hope is eventually getting a green card. So what is your

00:26:55.600 view on legal immigration? Should we reduce it? Also, what is your plan for a merit-based system?

00:27:00.820 Yes, sir. Well, I appreciate the question. And look, my honest view is that right now,

00:27:07.120 America, thanks in part to the Biden border invasion, but also thanks in part to a lot of

00:27:11.680 bad immigration policy, right now, we have let in too many immigrants into the United States of 1.00

00:27:16.760 America. That is just a fundamental reality. Now, look, legal immigration is complicated because

00:27:24.860 we let in about a million legal immigrants into the United States of America every single year.

00:27:29.400 And I think the evidence is pretty clear that a lot of those immigrants are actually undercutting 1.00

00:27:33.520 the wages of American workers. For most of my life, there have been two positions you can have

00:27:39.900 on immigration. The Democrat position, especially recently, was legal immigration is good and illegal

00:27:46.620 immigration is good too. The Republican position has been legal immigration is good, illegal immigration 0.94

00:27:53.260 is bad. What J.D. Vance is saying here is, we've just taken in too many immigrants. The movement of 1.00

00:28:01.060 people into the United States over the last 60 years is the largest movement of people in recorded

00:28:05.000 history. And it's creating social problems and their problems of assimilation and social

00:28:10.760 solidarity is breaking down, their economic problems, problems to workers. And so we have too many

00:28:15.340 right now. This is, I say it's an upending of GOP orthodoxy. It's really a return to classical

00:28:21.880 conservative orthodoxy, not just conservative in the American context, conservative going all the way

00:28:28.760 back to Aristotle. Yeah, you can't just flood your country with foreigners. That's going to create 1.00

00:28:33.200 problems. And even the way J.D. is talking about it, he doesn't say immigration is always terrible.

00:28:38.320 We need to completely close the border and we need to isolate. He's not saying that. He's saying,

00:28:41.420 yeah, right now we've just taken in too many, which means he recognizes prudence as the paramount

00:28:46.840 political virtue. He's recognizing that at some periods you might call for some immigration,

00:28:51.240 at other periods you're going to want to restrict immigration. And he's calling for a reduction in

00:28:56.120 immigration overall, not just illegal, but legal too. This is precisely my position. This is precisely

00:29:03.120 the correct position. I think this is certainly where Gen Z conservatives are. I think this is where the

00:29:09.140 GOP base is and has been for a very long time, even though the politicians haven't reflected it.

00:29:14.960 Brilliant answer from J.D. I'll just get to one or two more. I'll keep them pretty quick.

00:29:19.000 Here's one. Here is an answer on the question of values. How are we supposed to think about

00:29:24.600 values in America? That to me, I want this answer to be condensed into a liquid form and injected

00:29:31.160 straight into my veins. I actually, I think the premise of your question, I don't totally share it

00:29:37.940 because I don't think perfect neutrality is possible. What is it? You talk about history.

00:29:43.320 Was Christopher Columbus a great explorer or was he a guy who committed genocide against the native

00:29:48.440 populations? These debates, I'm happy to have them, but I reject the idea that there are truly

00:29:54.880 neutral debates. Anybody who's telling you their view is neutral likely has an agenda to sell you.

00:30:01.960 And I'm at least honest about the fact that I think the Christian foundation of this country is a good

00:30:06.800 thing. Straight into my veins, straight, this is it. This is abolish term limits.

00:30:14.020 Thank you. Thank you. It's obviously true. Serious political thinkers have known this since time

00:30:21.960 immemorial, but there is a lie that goes along with liberalism that says that liberalism is neutral.

00:30:29.500 It's just neutral. That says that, for instance, secularism or atheism in public is just neutral.

00:30:37.300 This view would have been abhorrent to our founding fathers, the framers of our constitution,

00:30:42.500 even the early liberals like John Locke and John Milton, but liberalism pretends anyway.

00:30:47.980 And in some ways, this is a consequence of liberal political philosophy, but they say,

00:30:51.280 oh, it's just neutral. Look, I don't have a partisan view. I don't have invective. I don't

00:30:56.860 have a polemical view. No, no, no. My view is the neutral view, but there is no neutral view because

00:31:01.880 all views come from some premises, axioms, first principles. And what the liberals try to do with

00:31:10.640 their neutral nonsense is they try to smuggle in their false premises. Their false premise that,

00:31:18.900 for instance, we can't know the difference between a man and a woman. I mean, that's why they say, 0.71

00:31:23.080 look, our view on transgender, ours is the neutral view. We're not picking sides. Well, you are. By

00:31:28.260 not allowing people to believe what humans have always believed everywhere and what their own eyes

00:31:35.920 tell them about the difference between a man and a woman, that is not neutral. You're forcing a certain 0.90

00:31:41.660 view on, by forcing Christianity to the public square, by arresting pro-lifers, praying in an abortion

00:31:47.280 clinic, by persecuting nuns as the Obama-Biden administration did. But these are not neutral

00:31:52.860 things. By exalting all sorts of perverse ideology, that's not neutral. And JD says, look, here are my

00:32:01.180 premises. Here's where I'm coming from. I'm basically coming from the same place that the

00:32:04.540 wise statesmen in our civilization have always come from. But yeah, I think there's a Christian

00:32:08.240 religious foundation. Those other guys, they're not going to tell you where they're coming from.

00:32:11.980 They pretend it's neutral, but where they're coming from is much more dubious.

00:32:16.320 Okay, last bit on how we fight the left.

00:32:20.340 Okay, so here's something that I want conservatives, I want every conservative to remember. It's an

00:32:27.680 important part of my entire political philosophy is we cannot be afraid to do something because the

00:32:34.140 left might do it in the future. The left is already going to do it regardless of whether we do it.

00:32:39.040 There it is. There it is. The takeover is complete of the GOP by the conservatives from

00:32:45.420 the squishes. I love this because for years, and I find it nauseating, the squishes have said, well,

00:32:53.360 we can't. We can't wield political power because if we wield political power, can you imagine in

00:32:59.540 the future when the Democrats get the power back, would they want to use power on us?

00:33:02.300 This after the Democrats have justified the murder of our president, have tried to imprison him four

00:33:13.020 times, kick him off the ballot, imprisoned relatively peaceful protesters, infiltrated Catholic churches

00:33:21.120 under the Biden DOJ, let their violent criminals off the hook, in some cases encouraged political

00:33:27.440 violence against us, this after this. But we can't justly wield the law because then the Democrats in the future

00:33:37.140 might unjustly wield the law, which they're already doing. Vance saying we got to have courage and we got to be

00:33:43.620 able to do things and not just be cowards and squishes and exalt procedural norms, dubious procedural norms

00:33:51.720 at that over substantive goods. Not going to do it anymore. This is really good stuff. As you know,

00:33:57.720 I'm an admirer of the vice president. He's impressed me before, never more so than last night at Ole Miss.

00:34:03.800 And he did it to honor his very close friend, Charlie, on stage with Charlie's widow at this major event for

00:34:12.500 the preeminent young conservative organization in American politics. It's just real encouraging.

00:34:21.420 I guess that's how I would have to put it. It's just real, real encouraging. This is a guy who knows

00:34:26.200 what time it is. And he's actually has the position and the stature to do something about it. Great

00:34:31.440 stuff. Now, meanwhile, the left, which has just tried to tell me on Capitol Hill that they don't

00:34:36.680 support political violence. They don't condone any of that. A left-wing podcaster has gone viral for her

00:34:42.340 hideous comments celebrating the murder of Charlie. Since the Daily Wire launched 10 years ago,

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00:35:41.100 fight and help us keep delivering this type of crucial content to the world. My favorite comment

00:35:46.540 yesterday is from Moggy's 10. This refers to Zoran Mamdani's aunt gate. Remember he said his aunt,

00:35:53.440 you know, after 9-11 was the real victim because she felt nervous wearing a hijab on the subway.

00:35:57.880 Then he found out that actually she didn't wear a hijab and she didn't live in New York.

00:36:01.040 And he said, oh, well, no, it's actually my dad's cousin, my aunt, you know. Well, anyway,

00:36:04.180 this comment says, maybe his cousin really is his aunt. You aren't accounting for intermarriage.

00:36:11.840 That's a good point. Certain cultures have very, very high rates of cousin marriage. That's true.

00:36:19.760 That's true. Certain cultures do. Not our culture, but other cultures do. You're seeing 30%, 40%, 0.54

00:36:26.380 maybe higher. So anyway, I don't know. Maybe Zoran can clarify. Okay.

00:36:32.160 After Charlie was murdered, the left minimized, excused, and in some cases celebrated at all

00:36:39.180 levels. At all levels. From the fringe people to the mainstream people, from the normies to

00:36:45.380 the famous people. At all levels, you saw this. And then they tried to deny it.

00:36:51.680 And we saw this on Capitol Hill because there was this Senate hearing on political violence

00:36:55.360 that half the Democrats didn't even show up to. And the ones who did show up shed crocodile tears.

00:36:59.640 They said, we all condemn political violence. We would never encourage this sort of thing.

00:37:03.180 As they say this, a left-wing podcaster, Jennifer Welch, goes viral for saying this.

00:37:12.840 Horrible. Charlie Kirk is horrible?

00:37:14.840 Yes. I'm glad he's not here.

00:37:16.800 You're glad he's dead? 0.59

00:37:18.360 Yes.

00:37:19.280 Why would you say something like that, ma'am?

00:37:21.360 He was horrible on the campuses, the college campuses.

00:37:24.460 Jennifer Welch on the side.

00:37:26.100 You know what? I do the exact same thing.

00:37:28.180 Would you be glad if I would die? 0.99

00:37:30.180 Maybe. 0.90

00:37:31.080 I'd have to think about it.

00:37:32.320 And she laughs. Jennifer Welch laughs.

00:37:34.000 You're ashamed of yourself. 0.92

00:37:35.120 Your friend just said she'd be happy if I died. 0.99

00:37:38.540 And the other one.

00:37:39.920 So listen up, Democratic establishment.

00:37:46.020 You can either jump on board with this, or we're coming after you in the same way that we come after MAGA.

00:37:52.500 That woman out in somewhere middle America saying,

00:37:56.820 Charlie Kirk, he was a racist. He was a piece of shit. 1.00

00:38:00.540 There are so many more of us than there are of them. 1.00

00:38:05.580 I'm inclined to believe her.

00:38:07.560 I'm inclined to believe her.

00:38:09.000 Because of what I saw from the prominent streamers, from what I saw from the legacy news outlets,

00:38:15.920 from what I saw as Charlie was being killed.

00:38:19.280 You had a Democrat analyst on MSNBC blaming him for it.

00:38:23.340 To say nothing of the normies on Facebook.

00:38:25.580 I think this is right.

00:38:26.700 I think there are a lot more people in left-wing activism

00:38:31.080 who were minimizing and celebrating Charlie's murder than there were people condemning political violence.

00:38:36.400 And lest I be accused of pointing to some random woman, because I didn't know really who that woman was, Jennifer Welch. 0.70

00:38:42.480 Oh, you're just picking some random kook.

00:38:44.560 She doesn't know anything.

00:38:45.800 She's just seeking attention.

00:38:47.320 She's just going viral.

00:38:48.620 Well, here's a little clip of Jennifer Welch sitting down with the Democratic leader from the House of Representatives,

00:38:54.540 Hakeem Jeffries.

00:38:55.240 Tell your co-workers to come on, too.

00:38:58.860 We've had a lot of them on, and we really like them as well.

00:39:01.380 Will do.

00:39:01.760 Thank you for what you both do.

00:39:03.220 Really appreciate it.

00:39:04.580 Look forward to staying in close touch.

00:39:06.420 And we're in this fight until we win this fight and end this national nightmare and get America back on track.

00:39:13.080 Yeah, thank you.

00:39:13.800 Thank you for what you both do.

00:39:15.020 I, the most prominent Democrat in the country, just about, I would like to thank you.

00:39:19.160 Oh, that's so nice of you, Hakeem, because we've had a bunch of your colleagues on, too.

00:39:22.600 Yeah.

00:39:24.180 This is not a minor figure.

00:39:27.480 You know, relative to Hakeem Jeffries, maybe.

00:39:29.320 But this is a real person who really represents a lot of Democrats, as we've seen from survey after survey,

00:39:37.540 as we've seen from the comments of the Democrats after Charlie's murder, as we saw two days ago on Capitol Hill,

00:39:44.880 when the Democrats, by and large, boycotted a Senate hearing on political violence.

00:39:52.300 That's it.

00:39:54.200 And so what are we supposed to do?

00:39:56.280 We're supposed to sit back and be afraid of wielding political power in a just way,

00:40:00.500 because, by golly, the Democrats, we might make the Democrats angry.

00:40:03.660 They're angry.

00:40:04.380 They don't like us.

00:40:05.100 So there are two things we can do.

00:40:09.040 We can either lash out in a vigilante sort of way, which I would strongly discourage,

00:40:13.440 because it's intrinsically unjust.

00:40:15.820 Or we can get rid of one of the old slogans of the right,

00:40:21.600 which is that, you know, government can't really do anything,

00:40:23.640 and politics is always downstream of culture.

00:40:25.240 We can recognize some ancient classical conservative wisdom that the law is a teacher,

00:40:28.580 and we can wield the law in a just way, not only to protect innocent people,

00:40:32.940 but also to help educate these leftists who are engaged in behaviors that are disordered for society,

00:40:40.980 contrary to the common good, but also bad for them individually.

00:40:44.820 I don't think these are happy people,

00:40:47.200 the ones who are out shrieking and screaming and calling for the murder of their countrymen.

00:40:50.760 I don't think they're happy people.

00:40:53.920 We have not only the right to wield the law in a way that helps to protect us and innocent people and America.

00:41:02.300 We have the responsibility to wield the law in such a way that helps to educate these people

00:41:06.880 and pulls them back from the brink of madness or past the brink of madness, which is where they are.

00:41:12.280 But we need a little more uniformity in America, I think.

00:41:17.840 I know, you know, the left always prattles on about diversity, you know, diversity is our strength.

00:41:23.220 But even America, sorry, the left and Americans.

00:41:27.080 Wow, that was a Freudian slip.

00:41:28.900 And a lot of truth in that, I think.

00:41:30.940 But even on the right, even on the right, you'll have people exalt diversity of thought on college campuses,

00:41:36.660 for instance, as a good in itself.

00:41:38.400 Diversity of thought is not a good in itself.

00:41:40.580 We like it as a particular kind of good on a college campus because it's uniformly left-wing.

00:41:46.860 So diversity of thought is good in as much as it introduces more conservative thought on campus.

00:41:51.160 But diversity of thought is not a good in and of itself.

00:41:55.080 You have on the left and the right, this exaltation of diversity is some kind of great strength.

00:41:59.600 Pete Hegseth, Secretary of War, shows up, speaks to some of our soldiers, and explains the reality.

00:42:05.660 In previous administration, iterations of administrations, there was a phrase, it's the dumbest phrase in military history.

00:42:15.720 And that phrase is, our diversity is our strength.

00:42:17.880 You see, I look out at this crowd and I see a lot of diverse faces.

00:42:23.160 A lot of faces, black, brown, white, and otherwise.

00:42:27.220 From small towns, from big cities, rich, poor.

00:42:31.260 I don't know you and you don't know me.

00:42:33.800 But I don't look at you and see who you are based on the color of your skin.

00:42:37.060 Again, I look at you as a fellow American who bleeds red. 1.00

00:42:42.600 Our strength is not our diversity.

00:42:44.560 Our strength is our common purpose.

00:42:47.240 Our strength is our unity.

00:42:49.360 Our strength is our mission.

00:42:51.320 Our strength is our oath to the Constitution that we will defend each other.

00:42:56.640 That's our strength.

00:42:57.800 That's what the world sees.

00:42:59.080 That's what I saw inside my platoon.

00:43:00.860 That's what I see across this beautiful ship.

00:43:03.680 Okay, this is a great moment in the evolution of American conservatism, I think.

00:43:11.200 Because, notice, what is Pete saying here?

00:43:13.440 What Pete's saying is extremely moderate.

00:43:16.100 Extremely moderate.

00:43:17.980 Pete is embracing colorblind meritocracy.

00:43:21.620 I'm sure the left is going to try to call it racist or whatever.

00:43:24.180 But it's completely the opposite.

00:43:25.960 This is as moderate as it gets in any reasonable amount of thinking.

00:43:29.920 He's saying, as a matter of principle, diversity does not conduce to strength.

00:43:36.940 Uniformity does.

00:43:38.300 Think about like a chain or something.

00:43:40.200 Think about any kind of construction.

00:43:42.180 You want uniformity, not just like random stuff hodgepodge together.

00:43:45.420 So he says, in principle, uniformity, not diversity, is our strength.

00:43:49.120 And we have a colorblind meritocracy in the military.

00:43:52.480 And what is your strength is not your race or whatever.

00:43:56.600 It's your common purpose as Americans.

00:43:58.820 It's embracing a kind of civic nationalism.

00:44:00.600 This is very, very moderate.

00:44:03.000 And it's viewed as a major shift.

00:44:06.160 Because it is.

00:44:06.900 Because we have heard this diversity is our strength stuff for over 30 years.

00:44:10.780 And it was actually a Republican who coined that phrase.

00:44:13.160 I think it was Dan Quayle when he was vice president to George H.W. Bush coined that phrase,

00:44:17.060 diversity is our strength, during a press gaggle in Japan.

00:44:20.040 Okay, so you can't even just blame the left for it.

00:44:23.120 It was the right too.

00:44:24.160 And it was always totally preposterous.

00:44:26.780 It's led to a total breakdown in social solidarity.

00:44:30.680 And now you have Mr. Mainstream.

00:44:33.940 I mean, this is why I think it's so important that it's Pete Hegseth saying this.

00:44:37.100 And that he's saying this in such a moderate way.

00:44:39.640 Pete is a Fox News host, okay?

00:44:41.400 Morning host.

00:44:42.240 This is not a fringe figure or a radical figure in any way whatsoever.

00:44:46.840 And he's coming out and saying diversity is our strength.

00:44:50.860 That is totally nuts.

00:44:52.260 We're done with that.

00:44:53.600 Something has shifted.

00:44:55.100 There has been a major change in American politics.

00:44:57.660 The Democrats clearly have not caught up with that.

00:45:00.500 They haven't paid attention.

00:45:01.560 That's why they lost the popular vote for the first time in 20 years in November.

00:45:04.840 That's why they're losing the shutdown fight for the first time in my lifetime.

00:45:07.840 Maybe the first time ever.

00:45:09.760 They haven't figured out that shift has happened.

00:45:13.260 J.D. Vance is, I think, a little bit more on the bleeding edge of that.

00:45:17.360 As he showed last night at Ole Miss.

00:45:20.980 But you're seeing it everywhere.

00:45:22.980 You're seeing it everywhere.

00:45:23.900 And the way Pete put it, no one would, no serious person would dispute that.

00:45:28.840 That's an 80-20 issue right there.

00:45:30.880 That's yet another 80-20 issue that this administration is on the right side of.

00:45:34.320 Now, speaking of diversity, clip going viral.

00:45:37.320 This one really, as we hear all the fear-mongering about the end of the SNAP program

00:45:42.240 and the ongoing shutdown, here's one of the people who's really upset about problems with

00:45:47.920 the SNAP program.

00:45:48.760 This is an Iraqi refugee whining because the government's taken away his cheese.

00:45:57.100 Without the government support, I cannot stay maybe a month or two months.

00:46:06.280 Pima County Chairman Rex Scott told News for Tucson he's deeply concerned about the impact

00:46:11.480 on local refugees.

00:46:12.640 Really, really concerned.

00:46:15.740 How can he stay if he doesn't get, if you don't pay for his food?

00:46:20.480 Now, remember, we're talking about shifts to the Republican coalition and political vision.

00:46:28.800 For a long time, it was this hardcore libertarian, exalting the free market, Ayn Rand kind of

00:46:34.540 vision that was very opposed in principle even to welfare programs.

00:46:39.020 I think that's deader than disco.

00:46:40.640 And it's certainly not my view.

00:46:42.180 My view is more infused with classical conservative concepts, Catholic social teaching.

00:46:48.500 I have no problem in principle with a social welfare system.

00:46:54.140 The way our market is set up, there will always be some degree of unemployment.

00:46:56.980 So actually, just as a pure matter of justice, you need to have some kind of unemployment insurance.

00:47:00.800 And we have a responsibility to take care of the poor.

00:47:04.380 And we live in society.

00:47:05.740 Man is inclined to live in an ordered society.

00:47:08.320 That's one of the primary precepts of the natural law.

00:47:11.140 There are all sorts of reasons that in principle, it's good to take care of the poor.

00:47:15.720 Oppression of the poor is one of the sins that cries out to God.

00:47:18.500 Now, there are questions about how best to do that, what's most efficient, and what actually

00:47:24.920 seems like it's helping people, but it might hurt people.

00:47:27.200 But I think we would all say, someone severely disabled and elderly and mentally handicapped

00:47:32.880 and has all, probably they should be entitled to some kind of social program, right?

00:47:37.620 Maybe, so long as it doesn't crowd out the church and the family.

00:47:39.900 Yeah, I agree.

00:47:40.560 What about this able-bodied Iraqi who's in America for some reason?

00:47:45.760 I don't know why he's here.

00:47:46.940 I don't know what brought him over here.

00:47:48.440 Maybe there's a good reason.

00:47:49.340 Maybe it's a bad reason.

00:47:50.580 Why can't that guy get a job?

00:47:52.840 Why can't that guy do any work?

00:47:56.700 If he won't work, why is he here?

00:47:58.560 How many other people who won't work are here who otherwise could?

00:48:02.760 How much of the exploding cost of groceries is due to the fact that we pay for a lot of

00:48:14.000 people's groceries?

00:48:15.260 And not just the people who really need it, who can't fend for themselves, but for that

00:48:21.380 guy, an entitled, able-bodied foreigner who's in America taking your money and whining when 1.00

00:48:27.120 the government is shut down and he can't get the government cheese.

00:48:31.340 Wow.

00:48:31.960 This shutdown is really redounding to the detriment of Democrats in multiple ways.

00:48:38.820 Shows they're on the wrong side of a ton of issues.

00:48:41.800 It shows they've lost their chief tactic.

00:48:45.460 And I think it's revealing a lot of the problems with the programs that are already in place,

00:48:50.540 the ones that they're seeking to expand.

00:48:53.780 Let's see here.

00:48:54.560 He can't stay in the country if we don't keep paying for his stuff.

00:48:56.740 All right.

00:48:57.360 Okay.

00:48:58.180 Deal.

00:48:59.100 Deal.

00:48:59.640 You drive a hard bargain, Mr. Iraqi. 1.00

00:49:01.720 But okay.

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The Michael Knowles Show - October 30, 2025

Ep. 1846 - 10,000 Attend JD Vance & Erika Kirk’s Viral Campus Speech

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