The Michael Knowles Show - November 13, 2025


Ep. 1856 - The Right-Wing SPLITS Over Trump’s H1-B Legal Immigration Plan


Episode Stats

Length

51 minutes

Words per Minute

174.31908

Word Count

8,941

Sentence Count

825

Misogynist Sentences

31

Hate Speech Sentences

48


Summary

After winning an election driven largely by discontent over mass migration, the Trump administration is coming out in full force to defend H-1B visas and more legal migration. The right is up in arms, understandably so. But everyone is missing a crucial little secret that shows us what is really going on. And I will give you that secret.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 After winning an election driven largely by discontent over mass migration,
00:00:05.180 the Trump administration is coming out in full force to defend H-1B visas and more legal migration.
00:00:12.820 The right is up in arms, understandably so, but everyone is missing a crucial little secret
00:00:18.800 that shows us what is really going on. And I will give you that secret.
00:00:22.640 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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00:02:22.360 slash Knowles. The right is not happy about some comments that President Trump just made.
00:02:29.140 I'll give them to you in his own words. These are comments made to Laura Ingram.
00:02:34.760 Publicans have to talk about it. And does that mean the H-1B visa thing will not be a big
00:02:39.640 priority for your administration? Because if you want to raise wages for American workers,
00:02:43.440 you can't flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of foreign workers.
00:02:47.900 I agree, but you also do have to bring in talent.
00:02:50.620 Well, we have plenty of talented people here. No, you don't. No, you don't.
00:02:53.040 We don't have talented people here. No, you don't have certain talents and people have to learn.
00:02:58.540 You can't take people off an unemployment line and say,
00:03:02.620 I'm going to put you into a factory or we're going to make missiles.
00:03:05.080 Okay, people really don't like this for two reasons. One, because just the way the soundbite
00:03:13.180 falls, it sounds like President Trump is saying that Americans aren't talented. Now, I think the
00:03:17.260 guy has enough grace on the issue over the last 10 years to know that he thinks Americans are very
00:03:21.840 talented and he hugs the American flag and he's got more popular appeal than any president,
00:03:26.760 probably in my lifetime, certainly in, I don't know, 20, 25 years. He clarifies what he means. He says,
00:03:32.900 you don't have talent in certain areas or you don't have enough talent in certain areas.
00:03:37.040 And he goes on in the interview to explain which. So that's one reason people are miffed. I get it.
00:03:42.480 They're really irritated, though, on the issue itself because I think a lot of people want to
00:03:47.680 reduce all migration. The movement of people into the United States over the last 70 years
00:03:51.960 is the largest movement of people in recorded history. So a lot of people are saying, no,
00:03:57.200 hold on, wait, we didn't vote to get more migrants coming into this country. Why are you
00:04:02.040 doubling down on the H-1B visa issue? So was this just a gaffe? Was this just the president
00:04:07.520 kind of speaking off the top of his head, maybe not totally getting the policy exactly right?
00:04:12.860 Secretary of DHS, Kristi Noem, goes on Fox News and doubles down.
00:04:18.920 What is the administration's position on these visas?
00:04:24.100 We're going to keep using our visa programs. We're just going to make sure that they have integrity,
00:04:28.120 that we're actually doing the vetting of the individuals who come into this country,
00:04:32.060 that they want to be here for the right reasons, that they're not supporters of terrorists
00:04:35.760 and organizations that hate America. And that's what I think is so remarkable is under the Trump
00:04:40.780 administration, we've sped up our process and added integrity to the visa programs,
00:04:45.600 to green cards, to all of that. But also, more people are becoming naturalized under this
00:04:50.780 administration than ever before. More people are becoming citizens because we're not just
00:04:56.040 streamlining and building some processes back into our immigration policies. We're also
00:05:01.520 making sure that these individuals that are coming into our country and get
00:05:05.020 that privilege, that they actually are here for the right reasons. The Biden administration let
00:05:09.640 thousands of terrorists into this country. They opened the southern border, they abused our asylum
00:05:15.140 programs, abused our protective programs and visa programs, and we fixed all of it. It's remarkable
00:05:20.660 what President Trump has done, and it's because he's a great leader, he's a visionary,
00:05:23.840 and this man is going to go down as a legend in history as our greatest president ever.
00:05:30.780 Okay, so no ambiguity about this at all. She says there at the end,
00:05:34.380 we are naturalizing more people than have ever been naturalized before. We're bringing in more
00:05:39.580 legal immigrants than have ever been brought in before. And in the first part, she says,
00:05:44.760 look, we're going to keep using our visa program. I think most people would agree with that.
00:05:48.000 Says we just need it to have integrity. But there are two ways that a visa program cannot have
00:05:52.200 integrity. The one way is what she's talking about, which is when you let in a bunch of people who
00:05:56.360 hate your country, who are terrorists, who are dangerous. Obviously, you don't want those guys
00:06:00.280 in. But the other way that a visa program can lack integrity is if it's not being used for what it's
00:06:06.640 supposed to be used for. The purpose of these various visa programs is to bring people into the
00:06:12.480 United States who have skills that are hard to find in the United States. You can't find an American
00:06:17.860 to do the job. So you got to go bring someone in from elsewhere or who have some, who have some
00:06:22.080 quality that would benefit our country that we don't presently have. And she doesn't really address
00:06:27.300 that part. She doesn't address whether or not there are Americans who can fill these jobs.
00:06:31.840 She's just saying, look, we're going to make sure they're not terrorists and we're going to
00:06:34.460 naturalize more people than ever. So I think for a lot of people like me, who think that we just
00:06:39.940 simply have too much migration, who want to drastically reduce all migration, who don't have anything
00:06:46.220 against the migrants in particular. I'm sure some of them are very nice people, but we just have too
00:06:50.060 many. Sometimes in American history, you need more migration. Sometimes you need a lot less.
00:06:53.720 We're in one of the a lot less periods right now. For people like me, you listen to this and you say,
00:06:58.160 oh, yikes, this is bad. This is not what I voted for. Now, there are plenty of people for whom this is
00:07:03.500 exactly what they voted for. There are a lot of people who say, look, I want to stop illegal
00:07:08.460 immigration, but I want more legal immigration. There are a lot of people. That's kind of like the
00:07:14.380 boomer conservative point of view. That's that was the dogma in the Republican Party for a long
00:07:19.040 time. But especially younger conservatives, more, more right wing conservatives, we say, no, it's
00:07:25.100 just we have too much migration. We need to reduce it. We're losing social solidarity. There's strains
00:07:29.600 on the welfare system. Crime is going up. I have to press three for English. I don't want it. I don't
00:07:34.500 want it. So are we all doomers here? No. The doomerism is not justified because of one dirty little
00:07:42.880 secret. One actually beautiful little secret. Here it is. This is from the White House website,
00:07:48.180 but it's backed up by reporting even from liberal journalists who are very upset about this fact.
00:07:56.060 We are on track to have net negative migration into the United States this year. Net negative
00:08:04.220 migration for the first time in half a century. So that's the that's the dirty little secret.
00:08:10.820 And it's it doesn't mean that the president is lying. Certainly doesn't mean that Kristi
00:08:16.120 Noem is is lying. They might be bringing in more legal immigrants than ever before. They might be
00:08:22.340 naturalizing more people than ever before. But they're deporting so many people. So many people
00:08:28.440 are self-deporting that you're seeing net negative migration for the first time in half a century.
00:08:33.760 This is and who knows, we're still we're still in November. It's still, you know, a month or two to
00:08:37.940 figure out if we actually hit that number. But that would be the greatest achievement for
00:08:44.220 immigration restrictionists since the 1960s. That is a major, major win. And I wondered I was
00:08:52.060 talking to friends about this during the campaign when President Trump, even in 2024, was doubling down
00:08:56.760 on illegal immigration, bad legal immigration, good. I thought, why is he saying that? I don't you know,
00:09:02.080 I think people are just fed up with all the mass migration. Friend of mine pointed out that might
00:09:06.780 just be the most politically salient way to to do it. There are gonna be a lot of people who when you say
00:09:12.080 you want fewer migrants generally, they're, they're just going to conclude you're a racist,
00:09:16.880 you're a thisist, you're a thatist. And they're you're going to turn off those more independent
00:09:20.440 centrist voters. So that's okay. Maybe tactically, that makes sense. There are other reasons too.
00:09:25.740 Maybe it's because some of the donors, many of the donors to both parties want more migration,
00:09:31.080 because they think that it will benefit their companies. Maybe they have some patriotic feeling
00:09:34.840 they think it'll benefit the economy generally. But in any case, you know, President Trump is trying
00:09:39.660 to maintain a coalition, balance a lot of different powers that have interests in the government of
00:09:43.760 the United States. If the net effect of that is that we have net negative migration for the first
00:09:49.880 time in 50 years. And the administration goes on TV and says, we love legal immigrants. And that's it.
00:09:56.080 That's what it comes. But the net effect is, we are net negative migration. Sign me up, man. I love
00:10:01.840 that. We are supposed to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. I think it works out well.
00:10:08.080 And speaking of some of those donors, speaking of some of those industries,
00:10:11.940 is a little bit of a terrifying headline out of the Wall Street Journal. It was just a couple days
00:10:15.860 ago. The AI boom is looking more and more fragile. AI stocks have swung downward as doubt rises about
00:10:23.080 sustainability and payoff. So a lot of the arguments for H-1Bs and bringing in these immigrants with
00:10:29.840 highly specialized technical skills is to serve the defense industry, sure, but also to serve Silicon
00:10:35.260 Valley. And you might not like Silicon Valley. Some people in Silicon Valley have been pretty
00:10:40.640 good recently and they moved a little bit to the right. And frankly, it's a Silicon Valley guy,
00:10:44.080 Elon Musk, who is probably responsible for the Trump victory because he bought X and freed up a
00:10:49.740 medium for conservatives to have to say. In any case, it is simply an economic fact. Silicon Valley
00:10:56.820 is propping up our whole economy right now. The stocks that are propping up the market are the
00:11:01.840 MAG-7. These big tech stocks, AI in particular, people are pouring money into AI. So if Silicon
00:11:09.740 Valley fails, the economy is going into the gutter that is going to destroy Republicans in the midterms
00:11:16.260 that very well could destroy J.D. Vance in 2028 or whoever the Republican nominee is, probably it's
00:11:21.400 going to be J.D. Vance. I know we love to focus on the Republican civil war. There's a Republican
00:11:28.140 civil war over neoconservatism and post-liberalism and Israel and social issues and this and that.
00:11:36.580 Sure, there is. I gave a speech on this last night. Actually, if you want my complete unvarnished take
00:11:41.760 on the so-called Republican right-wing civil war, I gave that speech at Belmont Abbey. We'll try to
00:11:46.440 get it up on the YouTube channel and Daily Wire and elsewhere. You get it there. Let me tell you
00:11:51.660 something. Silicon Valley failing would be much more calamitous for the Republican Party and the
00:11:58.740 conservative movement than any kind of civil wars or tweets or live streams or whatever.
00:12:04.480 And so I get it. Trump is trying to balance all of these things.
00:12:09.800 I'm pretty good with this effect. If we get, okay, we get some more tech workers, we get some whatever.
00:12:15.180 Net migration goes down. We keep up that trend. We fix the horrific migration problem. We keep the
00:12:22.580 stock market ticking along as best we can. We keep the economy going. That's not bad. It seems
00:12:28.280 actually pretty smart. Now, speaking of intelligence, John Fetterman, the one, I guess, quasi-blue dog,
00:12:34.740 moderate Democrat in the Senate, he just went on CNN and dropped some facts about the nastiness of the
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00:14:07.180 Choose smarter, not harder. Who's meaner, the right or the left? Who's meaner? If you listen
00:14:14.360 to the establishment media, they'll tell you that Republicans are hateful and fascists and
00:14:17.800 authoritarians and genocidal and whatever. If you look at social scientific data, you notice that the
00:14:23.700 left is meaner. The left is more likely to unfollow people on social media, to disown family over
00:14:29.660 politics, to justify political violence, to celebrate political violence. There's no question.
00:14:33.980 It's not even close. Here's John Fetterman, a member in good standing of the Democrat Party,
00:14:39.540 U.S. Senator, goes on CNN, the left-wing news channel, to drop some facts.
00:14:46.200 You said, quote, I've drunk deeply of the venom of both the left and the right. As a connoisseur,
00:14:53.180 I can confirm that the most poisonous, the bitterest, is from the far left. That is pretty
00:15:00.220 remarkable to hear you say that as an elected Democrat. Why?
00:15:06.680 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. You know, it's been it's just been my personal experience on this thing.
00:15:14.400 And when I asked my digital team, I said, you know, you're we're on all the platforms. You know,
00:15:19.640 really, what's what's kind of the harshest? What's kind of the most personal? And the answer was
00:15:24.340 immediate. He said, oh, blue sky. It's blue sky. And the difference is, I mean, the right would say
00:15:30.580 really rough things and names. You know, some names I won't I won't repeat on on TV. But but but the
00:15:37.080 on the left, it was like they want me to die or that we're cheering for your next stroke or that's
00:15:43.720 terrible. That depression. Why couldn't it depression one? And I hope your kids find you.
00:15:50.720 Uh, I mean, um, they even have like the graphic
00:15:54.160 a gif there. They have a stroke, you know, you know, in your head.
00:16:02.020 There's no surprise here whatsoever. You know, there are people on the right who make all sorts
00:16:07.580 of nasty jokes about politicians, of course. And it happens as politics. However, do you ever see
00:16:15.480 Republicans coming out just wishing death upon their enemies? You really don't see that.
00:16:19.640 And you see that all the time from the left. You see that from normies on the left.
00:16:24.520 And there are all sorts of cultural and religious reasons for that. The fact that they're kind of
00:16:28.300 nihilists or materialists and they deny the existence of a transcendent moral order and and so on and so
00:16:33.240 forth. But they do that. And that that radicalized John Fetterman. It radicalized. There's no question
00:16:40.380 about it. And we should never underestimate the persuasiveness of like just being charitable.
00:16:49.580 It's good to be charitable because, you know, if you don't have charity, you don't have anything.
00:16:52.880 But also it's persuasive in politics. It's so funny because the left, they love the word kind.
00:17:01.720 Have you noticed that? They love the word kind. They put kind over there. They said, be kind.
00:17:05.580 I love kind. We want it. We have to be kind. I don't know why it became a meme, but they all talk
00:17:10.920 about being kind and kindness all the time. And yet in the aggregate, statistically, they wish death
00:17:19.920 upon stroke victims of their own party. And that kind of radicalized him. Had the Democrats been nicer
00:17:29.300 to John Fetterman. Would he be going on these tours, subverting their party interests? Would he
00:17:35.060 be siding with seven of his colleagues to end the government shutdown and prove that the Democrats own
00:17:39.080 the shutdown and that they're useless? I don't know. People used to say in the first Trump term,
00:17:44.180 they said, you know, if only Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi had been nice to Trump, he might have
00:17:48.540 worked with them. But they had to call him a fascist and try to undermine him every step of the way and
00:17:52.680 really go after him in a vitriolic way. And so he destroyed them. He destroyed their party. He
00:17:56.700 destroyed their party. He destroyed their agenda. He survived all of their attempts on him, political
00:18:01.660 and otherwise. Not to be underestimated. You know, I have a friend who says that facts don't care about
00:18:09.460 your feelings, which is fair enough, you know, in as much as that's accurate. But you know what? You
00:18:14.360 know what cares about your feelings a lot? Politics. Politics cares a lot about your feelings. And if we
00:18:19.820 can win over a Democrat senator substantially, imagine what we can do to regular voters, to people who are
00:18:25.260 not partisans, to who are not super party political. You want to see a good example of this? Just a brief
00:18:31.960 little clip here. This was going viral on TikTok the other day. It's the Osborne family, Sharon Osborne,
00:18:38.280 you know, all the kids, Ozzy Osborne's family, playing a voicemail that they received from President Trump.
00:18:45.640 I mean, should we, should we play the voicemail?
00:18:50.340 Yeah.
00:18:51.340 Not saying who it's from. Everyone, everyone will know.
00:18:55.820 Hi, Sharon. It's Donald Trump. And I just wanted to wish you the best and the family.
00:19:04.520 Ozzy was amazing. He was an amazing guy. I met him a few times. And I want to tell you,
00:19:09.840 he was unique in every way and talented. So I just wanted to wish you the best. And it's a tough
00:19:15.820 thing. I know how close you were. And whatever I can do, take care of yourself. Say hello to the
00:19:20.600 family. Thanks. Bye.
00:19:24.520 Love him or hate him, he didn't have to call and leave a voicemail.
00:19:29.840 Listen, when it comes to politics, we know nobody comes out a winner.
00:19:36.180 This is great. I love this, this voicemail so much. I love this voicemail so much because
00:19:43.760 he didn't have to do it. You can tell the Osborne family they're trying to thread a political needle
00:19:47.760 and not seem like they're coming down on one side or the other. But obviously the choice to play the
00:19:51.200 voicemail is showing their gratitude for this. And what I love about the voicemail is it's personal.
00:19:58.060 You can recognize it just like Jack Osborne says, you know, you know who it is. You don't need to
00:20:02.040 intro it. You can tell it's Trump, but it's not performative in any way.
00:20:06.720 One, he took the time to do it because he met this guy a few times. This wasn't, he didn't blare
00:20:11.760 this out. It wasn't out there, you know, like giving long speeches about us. He just gives a
00:20:16.300 phone call to the family and it's pretty subdued. Just, hey, hey, I saw the news. He's great. He was
00:20:22.120 great. I really liked him. Met him a few times. So sorry for your family. Anyway, okay. All right. Bye.
00:20:27.360 It was it. It was not over the top. I, he was this amazing human being and America will never be the
00:20:35.980 same. What he wasn't giving some artificial stump speech, like plenty of politicians would do in
00:20:40.360 that situation. He wasn't promoting himself. Sometimes people accuse Trump because, because
00:20:44.900 he gives a lot of stump speeches, they accuse him. He's always promoting himself. Look, Ozzy,
00:20:48.520 we love Ozzy. We love, and you know who Ozzy loved me. He loved me and he loved my policies and
00:20:52.660 he loved my God, of course. It wasn't that at all. Just, hey, hey, it's done. It's just a guy. Hey,
00:20:58.000 it's just Donald. Hey, it's Donald. I knew, yeah, you know, I knew Ozzy a little bit. He was
00:21:01.520 great. Really, he was a great guy. So anyway, you know, my heart goes out to you. Talk to you. Bye.
00:21:06.020 You don't have to call me back. Whatever. Bye. It's great. That personal touch that connects.
00:21:10.560 People still wonder, how does this billionaire from New York, big TV star, real estate mogul,
00:21:15.680 guy who's flown around on a 747 for 40 years, you know, how does this guy have a relation to the
00:21:21.020 common man? It's that. It's these intangibles. It's these, these things that are barely perceptible.
00:21:25.700 It's just little movements of the face, little ways you talk, little tiny things you do that'll,
00:21:29.180 most of which will go unnoticed. That's, that's how you do it. That's, that's how you win John
00:21:33.720 Fetterman over as far as I'm concerned. Okay. Speaking of beautiful things, a beautiful voicemail,
00:21:38.720 Michelle Obama wants you to know how powerfully beautiful she is. And because some of you don't
00:21:46.120 know that she is going to educate you about it. And we have to start educating people about all kinds
00:21:54.160 of beauty. Yes. And our beauty is so powerful and so unique that it is, that it is worthy of a
00:22:03.840 conversation and it's worthy of demanding the respect that we're owed for who we are and what
00:22:11.180 we offer to the world. Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:22:13.940 I am so hot. I'm sexy and people don't realize that. And I'm uniquely sexy. She actually says so
00:22:24.940 unique, which is, this is a digression, but it's pedantic, but you can't, something can't be so
00:22:32.640 unique. Something can't, people say, oh, it's a very unique. Something can't be very unique. Unique
00:22:37.640 means one of a kind. It either is one of a kind or is not one of, it's one of many, but it can't be.
00:22:42.860 So please, Michelle Obama. Okay. That's the least of it. She says black beauty is unique,
00:22:51.820 uniquely powerful, and people need to be educated about this. And here I'm really doubting her grasp
00:22:58.360 of the English language, because if something is powerful, it does not require you to educate people,
00:23:07.200 to, to induct you into the secret mysteries of it. If a thing has power in itself, then it imposes
00:23:12.640 itself on others. You don't need someone to persuade you of it exactly. But this is about a lot more
00:23:20.520 than how hot Michelle Obama is. Okay. This actually gets down to, I think, the heart of liberalism and
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00:24:53.020 Distributors, LLC. Michelle Obama comes at you and goes,
00:24:56.280 black beauty is so powerful, and we need to educate everyone about it.
00:25:00.700 That is Gnostic racism. That is to say, that is to say, look, there's this special power of black
00:25:09.100 beauty, but you have not been inducted into the special mystery cult. So let me do that to you.
00:25:14.760 And frankly, that's what a lot of our modern education is. It's just libs inducting people
00:25:20.100 into their weird mystery cults. Certainly that's what transgenderism is. That's probably the clearest
00:25:24.780 example of Gnostic leftism. To say, oh, you think he's a man, but actually, secretly, he's a woman.
00:25:31.800 Let me induct you into the mystery cult in all the ways. Oh, actually, you don't understand.
00:25:36.920 Michelle Obama is the hottest chick on earth. You think Sidney Sweeney's hot? No. Michelle Obama
00:25:42.200 is secretly the hottest chick in the world. Let me induct you into my mystery. There's this Gnostic
00:25:47.500 element to liberalism. And I guess the opposite of it would be, certainly would be traditional
00:25:54.520 politics, traditional religion, especially. We're talking about cults. And I think the clearest
00:25:59.180 opposite would be the Catholic Church. Say whatever you will about the Catholic Church. It is not Gnostic.
00:26:05.740 And in fact, the Catholic Church extirpated a lot of Gnosticism in antiquity and the Middle Ages. And I
00:26:10.880 suppose it has to continue to do that today. You walk into a Catholic Church, there's not a lot of
00:26:16.040 secrets. It's all kind of out there. The smells and the bells and the colors and the garments. And
00:26:22.700 it's public. Big cathedrals, not secret little hiding places underground, unless the political
00:26:29.480 authority forces you into the catacombs. It's all out there. It's big. It's available to everyone.
00:26:35.800 You don't become a 33rd degree Catholic. You have to do that in Freemasonry. You don't have to do that
00:26:40.220 in Catholicism. It's all there. It's open. It's available. This is why I've mentioned why
00:26:46.680 Tocqueville predicted America would become Catholic. This is actually the reason. Because
00:26:50.440 he says that it's the most amenable to democracy. Because if people are going to subject themselves
00:26:55.440 to a religious authority, they want it to be uniform. Same for everyone. There aren't really
00:27:00.600 more advanced elite Catholics and, I don't know, hoi polloi Catholics. Everyone's just a Catholic.
00:27:07.780 And you will be judged. And the first will be last, and the last will be first.
00:27:12.860 So whatever you think about Michelle Obama's supposed hotness, this is a much deeper problem
00:27:20.080 for the left. And I think it's why they're losing ground. I think it's why common sense
00:27:23.180 knocks down a lot of leftism. Because you can just say, like to the Gnostic transgender thing,
00:27:28.220 you can just say, this man is really a woman. We've undergone the ritual of transition. And now
00:27:38.820 he's, we've undergone the ritual of coming out day. And now he's a woman. And you can just say,
00:27:43.680 like, no, he's not. No, he's not. So it's not to say, look, maybe Michelle Obama is a perfectly fine
00:27:52.140 looking woman. I'm not. Please don't clip this as I may. I'm not in any way insulting Michelle Obama's
00:27:56.940 looks. But this notion that black people are the most especially beautiful people and other people
00:28:04.360 are not. And actually, you need to be inducted into the great sexiness of Michelle Obama. It's
00:28:10.400 so ridiculous. It's so totally ridiculous. And I think it's lost a lot of currency. Now, speaking of
00:28:16.220 race, there's a big problem. Have you heard of the big problem? It's in podcasting. You're watching
00:28:23.540 or listening to a podcast right now. You know, the big problem is that most podcasters are white guys.
00:28:32.020 That's a big problem. We got to solve it. We need a task force. Got to stop all these white guys from
00:28:38.080 podcasting. I've said it for years, though. I've said it. Actually, I got this from Sweet Little Elisa.
00:28:42.620 Sweet Little Elisa pointed out. She goes, Mac, how come like every single white guy under the age of
00:28:47.480 70 has a podcast? You know what we need is more podcasts, Mac. It's true. There are so many
00:28:52.480 podcasts. Well, now we have numbers to back it up. This is from The Wrap. Podcasting's diversity
00:28:58.180 problem. 64% of hosts are male. 77% are white. USC study finds. The podcasting medium significantly
00:29:09.760 trails the diversity. This is some great defect. It's like white guys have their own shows on their
00:29:16.420 own platforms. And this is like a major defect. They trail the diversity of other entertainment
00:29:21.600 avenues. So what do we know about podcasts? We know two things. One is that there are a ton of
00:29:29.720 white guys in it, disproportionate number of white guys in it. And two, it's the least regulated
00:29:34.900 broadcast medium in existence. What are we to conclude from those two facts? Yes, it's mostly
00:29:45.740 white guys. Also, it's the least regulated, most open to market demands, freest. Perhaps that would
00:29:56.460 suggest that the imposition of diversity, racial, sexual, whatever, in broadcast is artificial,
00:30:07.300 is the product of social engineering, is a political program rammed down the throats of listeners
00:30:14.400 who actually, they don't exclusively want white guys to broadcast to them. Quarter of them are not
00:30:21.220 white. Look, there's a country that's still 60% white, so it's not that far. Okay, quarter of them
00:30:25.560 are not white. And, you know, 40, sorry, 36% are women. So okay, it's not 50-50, so it's not, but
00:30:35.140 they, the audiences do want white guys a little bit more to be podcast. I don't know what it is
00:30:42.900 about white guys. I am a white guy. I'm a plausibly white guy. And I don't know, I don't know what it
00:30:48.380 is about us. I don't know what it is. I'm not a geneticist. I'm not a phrenologist. I don't know
00:31:03.600 what it is. But you don't hear about the NBA's diversity problem, do you? You don't hear about,
00:31:11.460 I don't know, elementary school teachers' diversity problem, you know, too many women
00:31:15.940 or something. No. Maybe it's the case that, you know, black guys are much better than other races
00:31:25.380 and women at basketball, maybe. Maybe women are much better than men at, I don't know,
00:31:32.880 nursing or at caring for people or nurturing or early education or what. And maybe white guys,
00:31:41.480 maybe we finally found our niche, you know. Maybe we were made for podcasting. That's certainly what
00:31:49.320 the market says. It makes you wonder. You say, why is there this matter of social engineering
00:31:55.440 clearly imposed from the top down that probably discriminates against white guys in other broadcast
00:32:02.620 media? Why is that? It's weird. Speaking of white guys, JFK's grandson, Jack Schlossberg,
00:32:10.620 is running for Congress in New York. We don't have enough Kennedys in the government. Well,
00:32:14.700 we do have one great Kennedy in the government, Bobby Kennedy. But we don't have any Kennedys in
00:32:19.160 Congress. It's weird. I remember when the last Kennedy left Congress. It was bizarre because
00:32:22.220 it was the first time in decades you didn't have a Kennedy there. Jack Schlossberg wants to take over
00:32:28.400 the Kennedy legacy. And so he goes on MSNBC to announce his run and to smack down his cousin,
00:32:38.400 RFK Jr. Caged one and put it in his cabinet, a rabid dog in his cabinet, put a collar on my cousin,
00:32:47.980 RFK Jr. and has him there barking, spreading lies and spreading misinformation.
00:32:54.420 You were the first member of your family to come out and criticize him publicly. What do you say to
00:32:59.580 voters who now see the Kennedy name and associate it with your cousin's policies?
00:33:04.420 I don't think there's anything anyone can do to change what JFK, my grandparents, my mom,
00:33:09.820 my uncle John stood for. Nobody is that powerful. But RFK Jr. is a dangerous person who has making
00:33:17.460 life and death decisions as Secretary of Health and Human Services. And you don't just have to
00:33:22.640 take my word for it. Now we have an actual record to go on. He has cut a quarter of the people who
00:33:27.880 work in his agency. He fired all the vaccine experts on the panel and replaced them with anti-vaxxers.
00:33:32.820 He's cutting funding for life-saving research, cancer patients giving them their last hope.
00:33:40.100 Okay, so he just right out the gate, he says there's this rabid dog in the administration,
00:33:45.180 my cousin, RFK Jr. This is nasty. This is ugly. People don't like to see family members wage
00:33:52.500 attacks on each other this way. They certainly don't like to see young family members attack their
00:33:56.840 older relatives. Like this nasty, ugly stuff. But it's an interesting attack. I bet it was focus
00:34:03.760 grouped. I bet that isn't the first time he's waged it. Because he's trying to paint the Secretary
00:34:08.860 of Health and Human Services as being sick and diseased. Rabid. He's a rabid dog. So it's actually
00:34:14.140 a pretty clever attack. But it's ugly. It's really, really ugly. Because it raises this question.
00:34:20.940 If this is what he thinks of his somewhat moderate Democrat cousin, what does he think about the
00:34:26.800 rest of us? What does he think about conservatives, Republicans? How can you be a patriot if you
00:34:34.060 treat your family this way? Patriotism is just an extension of love of your family. How can anyone
00:34:39.200 be a patriot if he would treat his own family this way? You know, I actually went to college with Jack.
00:34:44.960 I didn't really know him. Maybe I met him once or twice. I don't want to tell any tales out of school.
00:34:51.040 I don't want to make any personal observations or anything like that. From just judging by this
00:34:58.100 clip, how could you vote for this guy? I don't know. Maybe he's going to, this is his first time
00:35:07.780 running for office. He's clearly tried to run for office for a while. He's been in magazines and
00:35:12.760 things like that. But he's a Kennedy. You basically have to run for office. How could someone think
00:35:19.520 that you could be a patriot if you're so nasty to your own family? And then the question is, well,
00:35:26.300 do you think Bobby Kennedy is destroying the Kennedy family legacy? And what does he say? He says,
00:35:29.980 no one, no force is powerful enough, except for maybe black female beauty, to take, oh, no,
00:35:36.500 he didn't say that. He didn't go to Michelle Obama. He's, no force is powerful enough to destroy what
00:35:43.300 my grandfather stood for. Can I just, I don't, what did John F. Kennedy stand for? And it even goes
00:35:53.260 on his other family members. What did they, what do you mean what they stood for? What did the,
00:35:58.060 what did John F. Kennedy stand for? He stood for stealing votes in Illinois and Texas and taking the
00:36:03.640 election away from Richard Nixon. That's no, no, allegedly, allegedly. But what did he stand for?
00:36:11.420 He's a, he was a young president who got murdered. That's why people like him.
00:36:15.120 Because it was sad when he got murdered and he was young and he was relatively good looking.
00:36:18.680 In as much as he stood for anything, he stood for a moderate, patriotic, respectful Democrat party
00:36:28.180 that no longer exists. I don't think Jack Schlossberg is running for, for Congress on that
00:36:36.020 kind of a platform. I think he's probably running on the new Democrat party economic platform. I think
00:36:42.120 he's probably running on the new Democrat party platform when it comes to domestic policy, foreign
00:36:46.000 policy. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see more from his campaign. This is the, even the patriotism.
00:36:51.160 Could you imagine John F. Kennedy calling one of his brothers or his father or someone like that,
00:36:55.360 a rabid dog? No. So it's this kind of irony. So no one could destroy what my grandfather stood for.
00:37:04.400 Every single Democrat has destroyed that. In as much as John F. Kennedy has a legacy,
00:37:10.080 it is completely destroyed. And by all accounts, if you, if you, I'm not saying had he lived,
00:37:16.280 I'm saying had you taken John F. Kennedy and just put him in a time machine and dropped him
00:37:22.000 from the 60s into 1925, or 2025, he would be a Republican. He would be a conservative Republican.
00:37:28.780 There's no question about it. Okay. Speaking of Democrats seeking office, Scott Wiener,
00:37:35.800 the aptly named Scott Wiener, nomen est omen, is totally destroying a domestic violence victim
00:37:43.320 with transgenderism and leftism.
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00:38:12.660 My favorite comment is from Sean Atter, 72. It says, only conservatives buy Nike, the left steals
00:38:20.200 them. You make a great point. Because, you know, Michael Jordan said, well, Republicans buy Nikes too.
00:38:26.460 I don't want to get too political. But you're right, it's only conservatives who buy Nikes.
00:38:31.240 When the left gets Nikes, it's through their civil rights marches, you know, for St. George Floyd.
00:38:38.040 Well, as they're torching cities, they drop in and grab a pair or two of Air Jordans. Yes.
00:38:43.700 Scott Wiener. Scott Wiener, who is best known as the California legislator who reduced punishments
00:38:51.340 for pederasts. This is older men who rape young boys. It's statutory rape. We want to be fair to
00:38:59.100 Scott Wiener. Older, perverted men who prey on young boys. He wanted to make sure, as a matter of
00:39:05.880 justice, that he would reduce their punishments. He also, what was the other thing? He reduced the
00:39:12.100 punishments for people who knowingly spread AIDS to people, HIV. Yeah, that's his political legacy.
00:39:18.880 So, Scott Wiener seems to have one particular obsession. He's sitting doing a town hall kind
00:39:25.860 of event and a woman comes up. And, well, I'll just let you listen to the interaction.
00:39:33.080 Senator Wiener, as the only black lesbian here, can I please ask you a question because I flew
00:39:37.540 here to do that. Yeah.
00:39:38.860 Okay. As a lesbian woman who was attacked in a woman's locker room at Gold's Gym this week
00:39:45.660 by a self-identifying trans woman with a documented history of domestic violence, I'm deeply concerned
00:39:52.780 about women's safety in female-only spaces. What would you say to women who are seeking
00:39:58.260 assurance that their safety will be protected from men who, by California law, can self-ID
00:40:04.960 as women in women-only spaces, sir? Please tell me.
00:40:08.880 Yeah. So, we want, I mean, everyone to be safe. And we also know that, you know, we have
00:40:16.400 trans people, both men and women, who are men and women. And so, you know, we, so if you're
00:40:26.900 trans women, you're women.
00:40:28.820 Senator, you've done great things.
00:40:32.500 So, this woman, listen, even that, I'll cut it off there. We should go. You've done great
00:40:35.400 things. I agree. This is a liberal woman. A liberal woman, a relatively solid Democrat
00:40:41.540 constituency, lesbian, black woman. It's not like his, you know, big Bubba right-winger
00:40:48.360 coming out there smacking out Scott Wiener. This is, this is one of his constituents. And
00:40:52.740 she says, hey, you know, I've, she's at least insinuating, I've experienced domestic violence.
00:40:59.760 There are women-only spaces for a reason. And what if I, what if I don't want to have
00:41:05.600 to, you know, get changed in front of a man? What if I don't want to have to use the bathroom
00:41:10.560 next to a man? What if I, you know, can I have any, like, the whole reason we have women-only
00:41:15.400 spaces to begin with, can I have any protection? And Scott Wiener comes out, he goes, no, you
00:41:20.740 can't. Suck it. Sorry. Ha ha. No way. You're not. We're forcing transgenderism on
00:41:25.680 everybody. You lose. She goes, but I, look, I respect things that you've done. Nope. We're
00:41:32.800 forcing dudes into your locker room and your bathroom. And I don't care that some man has
00:41:38.260 beaten you in the past. Doesn't bother me. Trans rights are the most important thing.
00:41:43.120 Well, we say goes. So, sorry. That's what, that's what he's saying. I, look, it might,
00:41:51.320 in his race, it might work out fine. This is what, this is the issue that started to unravel
00:41:56.160 the entire Democrat party. That's it. It was a major issue in 2024. And that, it's also an issue
00:42:04.080 where this woman, who's clearly very liberal, very much on the left, that's the kind of issue
00:42:09.760 that makes her think, man, maybe I misjudged this Trump guy. Because I got this deviant freak
00:42:16.300 in, who's running for Senate or Congress or whatever he's running for, Scott Wiener. And he,
00:42:21.720 I got this freak out here telling me that he's going to force me to get naked in front of men.
00:42:28.540 And I don't know, Trump, like, I don't like everything about him, but he doesn't make me do
00:42:33.540 that. Now, there's an interesting point she's raised. A lot of times when you hear the arguments
00:42:41.020 against the transgender ideology, you, it comes from this place of, well, some women have suffered
00:42:46.280 domestic violence. And so we don't want women to get beaten up in the bathroom, in the locker room.
00:42:50.160 So that's why we can't have transgenderism in public life. It's, it, it's another version of
00:42:56.320 when you hear, you know, well, we just love women's sports so much. Women's sports, the most important
00:43:01.180 issue to conservative Republicans. We just need our precious women's sports. So that's why we can't
00:43:07.160 have transgenderism in public life. And it's so ridiculous. The reason that we can't have
00:43:12.100 transgenderism in public life or that we should not is because it's false. It's completely ridiculous.
00:43:17.940 A man can't be a woman and it harms everyone involved when you pretend that he can. It harms
00:43:23.640 the people who are confused. It harms everyone around them. It makes the society engage in lies.
00:43:29.300 It's ridiculous. That's why. And sure, women should have their own sports leagues if they want,
00:43:35.420 I guess. I don't care. I don't care. No one watches women's sports. Sometimes women's tennis
00:43:41.520 people watch. I like female athletes. If they like their sports, they can, sure.
00:43:47.480 And furthermore, yeah, we need to protect women from being beaten up by men. Absolutely. Which
00:43:53.780 pertains to the women's sports in as much as we're talking about boxing or UFC or whatever. But
00:43:57.320 yeah, generally we need to protect women from being beaten up by men. But that's not the main reason
00:44:01.780 either. Because it's a relatively minor issue in the broader scope of trans identifying people going
00:44:11.400 into the bathroom. When the left tells us that, oh, come on, they're not really that violent in
00:44:14.920 bathrooms or aren't that many. Generally, that's true. It does happen. In fact, Daily Wire broke the
00:44:19.060 story of the Loudoun County rape because of a gender neutral bathroom policy. So it does happen for
00:44:23.380 sure. But yeah, I'll give it to the left. You're right. It's not happening 100% of the time. That's for
00:44:29.120 sure. Which is why I think we all need to be a little bit honest and say the reason that we
00:44:34.360 don't want transgenderism in public life is because it's just ridiculous and fake and false.
00:44:39.120 And it creates disorder and lies. But there was a great tweeter, Esther K, Esther C. Krakow,
00:44:46.900 who made this point. Said, why do women always have to cite sexual domestic violence to justify
00:44:51.660 single-sex spaces? Shouldn't I don't want to share a changing room with a man be enough?
00:44:57.040 Yes. Preach, sister. Preach. That's how I feel about even like gender neutral bathrooms.
00:45:06.600 I don't. Things that happen in bathrooms are gross. And I don't want to be around women who
00:45:12.940 doing that. And I don't want to do that myself around women. That's gross. A little mystery is
00:45:18.580 nice between the sexes. Yeah, it's gross. That should be enough. But the reason it's not enough
00:45:26.400 is because of the feminists. I'm sorry to say. It's because the feminists argued for decades,
00:45:33.400 they campaigned for decades on invading men's only spaces. For decades, they came and said men are not
00:45:40.380 allowed to have their own spaces. You see this, especially with private clubs. But elsewhere, too,
00:45:45.800 they said, no, wherever a man can go, women need to go, too. Except when it's inconvenient for us.
00:45:51.380 And so this is the problem. Men have figured out a workaround, by the way. The workaround to that
00:45:55.700 rule is cigar lounges. That is why. Look, I go to cigar lounges because I like cigars. I love cigars
00:46:02.460 since I'm 15. But another reason, and a reason that I think a lot of people who are not as obsessed
00:46:08.360 with cigars go to them is because it allows men to hang out with each other and talk with relatively
00:46:15.960 few women, if any, around. That's why. And it's nothing against women. I love women, as you know.
00:46:20.560 But sometimes, to Esther's point, sometimes women want to spend time with women. Sometimes men want
00:46:27.560 to hang out with men. Men and women are different, right? Right? Isn't that ultimately the objection to
00:46:35.260 the transgender ideology? Isn't that ultimately why support for same-sex marriage is declining?
00:46:43.000 Isn't that why people have turned against feminism? Why feminism has made women unhappy
00:46:47.260 relative to men and in absolute terms? Yeah. Maybe that's why. Maybe the feminists should not have
00:46:55.240 invaded every male-only space. Because this is the chickens coming home to roost, and they are hoisted by
00:47:00.700 their own petard. But that's fine. We should stop it, for sure. We should chill out with that,
00:47:05.280 no question about it. But it's... Guys, come on. Let's follow these ideas to their logical conclusion.
00:47:11.140 Give men their private clubs back. And give women their locker rooms and their spaces back, too.
00:47:17.060 Speaking of the difference between the sexes, this is a story that's deeply unpleasant that I didn't
00:47:20.640 want to get to, but I suppose I have to. It's going all around. An ABC News anchor,
00:47:27.480 Gio Benitez, has been confirmed in the Catholic Church. That in itself is a really good thing,
00:47:34.880 and that's very exciting, and that's wonderful. I want everyone to come into the church. That's great.
00:47:39.640 There's a little wrinkle with it, though, which is that he was confirmed in the church
00:47:44.560 as an openly gay guy. Not just as like a, you know, a little bit gay guy, like the British or something,
00:47:51.660 but as an openly gay guy, who does not seem to have changed his views on that, and his sponsor,
00:47:59.480 you get a sponsor in the church, just like when you're baptized as a baby of a godfather,
00:48:02.560 you have a sponsor when you come in. His sponsor was reportedly his husband, quote unquote.
00:48:08.420 So clearly not a lot of change in their minds here. Clearly not a lot of accepting Catholic
00:48:13.880 teaching, perennial Catholic teaching on this matter. And the guy who celebrated the confirmation
00:48:19.700 is this Jesuit, Father James Martin, who is obsessed with gay stuff. I don't know how to put it more
00:48:29.520 charitably than that. He's just totally obsessed with gay stuff, and he's like really, really into
00:48:34.500 promoting gay stuff. And he really makes the rest of the Catholics look bad. I say respectfully,
00:48:41.740 filial correction to Father Martin, but it's like really weird, man. He even, when the Vatican came out
00:48:48.840 and issued this ambiguous statement about blessing homosexual individuals, but not homosexual unions,
00:48:54.080 and it was a little confusing. What do you know? There's Father James Martin, and there just happened
00:48:59.220 to be a New York Times photographer right next to him when he decided to do one of these blessings.
00:49:03.020 And it's weird. It's weird. And I don't mean to be too harsh on Father Martin. Not sure one can be too
00:49:08.940 harsh on Father Martin. And I don't mean to be too harsh on this guy, Gio Benitez. I hope that he's
00:49:16.060 having a kind of religious revival within himself, and he's asking these questions. He wants to pursue
00:49:21.320 the truth and pursue God. This is a serious scandal. It's a really serious scandal. And it's a scandal
00:49:28.500 because it confuses people about church teaching. And it's a scandal because it leads the men
00:49:36.360 themselves astray. And it's a scandal because it turns other people away from the church.
00:49:42.380 You know the famous millstone, Mac, you know, about, you know, whoever troubles one of these
00:49:46.500 little ones, scandalizes one of these little ones. It, that verse is not referring to like physically
00:49:53.200 harming children or anyone. It's about scandal. The sin of scandal is a really big deal.
00:49:58.900 And it would be very helpful if Father Martin were corrected for this. It would be very helpful
00:50:06.360 if church teaching were clear. You know, church teaching is clear on this. And there are all sorts
00:50:11.780 of ways, you know, it's not as though they were blessing a same-sex union or this or that. It's just
00:50:16.020 all kind of in between the lines. And it's, it's scandalous. And that's bad. You know, the truth
00:50:22.480 above all things is to be pursued. And this kind of stuff, it's, it's, it's a kind of soft,
00:50:29.840 fake niceness. It's that kindness, you know, that the libs are always, be kind, just be kind.
00:50:36.340 But at a time when, you know, so-called rigid traditionalists have been restricted,
00:50:43.440 really put upon, had a real, had a real scrutiny applied to them, then you see this kind of thing.
00:50:49.560 You think, that's not loving. It's not teaching. It's not, it's really, it's not, not good.
00:50:53.780 It's scandalous. And, and you have, people need to take note of that. And there has to be a
00:50:58.520 correction, in my humble opinion, as a lay person. Okay. Speaking of religion, today is Theology
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