The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1856 - The Right-Wing SPLITS Over Trump’s H1-B Legal Immigration Plan

00:00:00.000 After winning an election driven largely by discontent over mass migration,

00:00:05.180 the Trump administration is coming out in full force to defend H-1B visas and more legal migration.

00:00:12.820 The right is up in arms, understandably so, but everyone is missing a crucial little secret

00:00:18.800 that shows us what is really going on. And I will give you that secret.

00:00:22.640 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:02:22.360 slash Knowles. The right is not happy about some comments that President Trump just made.

00:02:29.140 I'll give them to you in his own words. These are comments made to Laura Ingram.

00:02:34.760 Publicans have to talk about it. And does that mean the H-1B visa thing will not be a big

00:02:39.640 priority for your administration? Because if you want to raise wages for American workers,

00:02:43.440 you can't flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of foreign workers.

00:02:47.900 I agree, but you also do have to bring in talent.

00:02:50.620 Well, we have plenty of talented people here. No, you don't. No, you don't.

00:02:53.040 We don't have talented people here. No, you don't have certain talents and people have to learn.

00:02:58.540 You can't take people off an unemployment line and say,

00:03:02.620 I'm going to put you into a factory or we're going to make missiles. 0.99

00:03:05.080 Okay, people really don't like this for two reasons. One, because just the way the soundbite

00:03:13.180 falls, it sounds like President Trump is saying that Americans aren't talented. Now, I think the

00:03:17.260 guy has enough grace on the issue over the last 10 years to know that he thinks Americans are very

00:03:21.840 talented and he hugs the American flag and he's got more popular appeal than any president,

00:03:26.760 probably in my lifetime, certainly in, I don't know, 20, 25 years. He clarifies what he means. He says,

00:03:32.900 you don't have talent in certain areas or you don't have enough talent in certain areas.

00:03:37.040 And he goes on in the interview to explain which. So that's one reason people are miffed. I get it.

00:03:42.480 They're really irritated, though, on the issue itself because I think a lot of people want to

00:03:47.680 reduce all migration. The movement of people into the United States over the last 70 years

00:03:51.960 is the largest movement of people in recorded history. So a lot of people are saying, no,

00:03:57.200 hold on, wait, we didn't vote to get more migrants coming into this country. Why are you 1.00

00:04:02.040 doubling down on the H-1B visa issue? So was this just a gaffe? Was this just the president

00:04:07.520 kind of speaking off the top of his head, maybe not totally getting the policy exactly right?

00:04:12.860 Secretary of DHS, Kristi Noem, goes on Fox News and doubles down.

00:04:18.920 What is the administration's position on these visas?

00:04:24.100 We're going to keep using our visa programs. We're just going to make sure that they have integrity,

00:04:28.120 that we're actually doing the vetting of the individuals who come into this country,

00:04:32.060 that they want to be here for the right reasons, that they're not supporters of terrorists

00:04:35.760 and organizations that hate America. And that's what I think is so remarkable is under the Trump

00:04:40.780 administration, we've sped up our process and added integrity to the visa programs,

00:04:45.600 to green cards, to all of that. But also, more people are becoming naturalized under this

00:04:50.780 administration than ever before. More people are becoming citizens because we're not just

00:04:56.040 streamlining and building some processes back into our immigration policies. We're also

00:05:01.520 making sure that these individuals that are coming into our country and get 1.00

00:05:05.020 that privilege, that they actually are here for the right reasons. The Biden administration let

00:05:09.640 thousands of terrorists into this country. They opened the southern border, they abused our asylum

00:05:15.140 programs, abused our protective programs and visa programs, and we fixed all of it. It's remarkable

00:05:20.660 what President Trump has done, and it's because he's a great leader, he's a visionary,

00:05:23.840 and this man is going to go down as a legend in history as our greatest president ever.

00:05:30.780 Okay, so no ambiguity about this at all. She says there at the end,

00:05:34.380 we are naturalizing more people than have ever been naturalized before. We're bringing in more

00:05:39.580 legal immigrants than have ever been brought in before. And in the first part, she says,

00:05:44.760 look, we're going to keep using our visa program. I think most people would agree with that. 0.99

00:05:48.000 Says we just need it to have integrity. But there are two ways that a visa program cannot have

00:05:52.200 integrity. The one way is what she's talking about, which is when you let in a bunch of people who

00:05:56.360 hate your country, who are terrorists, who are dangerous. Obviously, you don't want those guys

00:06:00.280 in. But the other way that a visa program can lack integrity is if it's not being used for what it's

00:06:06.640 supposed to be used for. The purpose of these various visa programs is to bring people into the

00:06:12.480 United States who have skills that are hard to find in the United States. You can't find an American

00:06:17.860 to do the job. So you got to go bring someone in from elsewhere or who have some, who have some

00:06:22.080 quality that would benefit our country that we don't presently have. And she doesn't really address

00:06:27.300 that part. She doesn't address whether or not there are Americans who can fill these jobs.

00:06:31.840 She's just saying, look, we're going to make sure they're not terrorists and we're going to

00:06:34.460 naturalize more people than ever. So I think for a lot of people like me, who think that we just

00:06:39.940 simply have too much migration, who want to drastically reduce all migration, who don't have anything

00:06:46.220 against the migrants in particular. I'm sure some of them are very nice people, but we just have too 1.00

00:06:50.060 many. Sometimes in American history, you need more migration. Sometimes you need a lot less.

00:06:53.720 We're in one of the a lot less periods right now. For people like me, you listen to this and you say,

00:06:58.160 oh, yikes, this is bad. This is not what I voted for. Now, there are plenty of people for whom this is

00:07:03.500 exactly what they voted for. There are a lot of people who say, look, I want to stop illegal

00:07:08.460 immigration, but I want more legal immigration. There are a lot of people. That's kind of like the

00:07:14.380 boomer conservative point of view. That's that was the dogma in the Republican Party for a long

00:07:19.040 time. But especially younger conservatives, more, more right wing conservatives, we say, no, it's

00:07:25.100 just we have too much migration. We need to reduce it. We're losing social solidarity. There's strains 0.82

00:07:29.600 on the welfare system. Crime is going up. I have to press three for English. I don't want it. I don't

00:07:34.500 want it. So are we all doomers here? No. The doomerism is not justified because of one dirty little

00:07:42.880 secret. One actually beautiful little secret. Here it is. This is from the White House website,

00:07:48.180 but it's backed up by reporting even from liberal journalists who are very upset about this fact.

00:07:56.060 We are on track to have net negative migration into the United States this year. Net negative

00:08:04.220 migration for the first time in half a century. So that's the that's the dirty little secret. 1.00

00:08:10.820 And it's it doesn't mean that the president is lying. Certainly doesn't mean that Kristi

00:08:16.120 Noem is is lying. They might be bringing in more legal immigrants than ever before. They might be 1.00

00:08:22.340 naturalizing more people than ever before. But they're deporting so many people. So many people

00:08:28.440 are self-deporting that you're seeing net negative migration for the first time in half a century.

00:08:33.760 This is and who knows, we're still we're still in November. It's still, you know, a month or two to

00:08:37.940 figure out if we actually hit that number. But that would be the greatest achievement for

00:08:44.220 immigration restrictionists since the 1960s. That is a major, major win. And I wondered I was 0.99

00:08:52.060 talking to friends about this during the campaign when President Trump, even in 2024, was doubling down

00:08:56.760 on illegal immigration, bad legal immigration, good. I thought, why is he saying that? I don't you know, 0.99

00:09:02.080 I think people are just fed up with all the mass migration. Friend of mine pointed out that might

00:09:06.780 just be the most politically salient way to to do it. There are gonna be a lot of people who when you say

00:09:12.080 you want fewer migrants generally, they're, they're just going to conclude you're a racist,

00:09:16.880 you're a thisist, you're a thatist. And they're you're going to turn off those more independent

00:09:20.440 centrist voters. So that's okay. Maybe tactically, that makes sense. There are other reasons too.

00:09:25.740 Maybe it's because some of the donors, many of the donors to both parties want more migration,

00:09:31.080 because they think that it will benefit their companies. Maybe they have some patriotic feeling

00:09:34.840 they think it'll benefit the economy generally. But in any case, you know, President Trump is trying

00:09:39.660 to maintain a coalition, balance a lot of different powers that have interests in the government of

00:09:43.760 the United States. If the net effect of that is that we have net negative migration for the first

00:09:49.880 time in 50 years. And the administration goes on TV and says, we love legal immigrants. And that's it.

00:09:56.080 That's what it comes. But the net effect is, we are net negative migration. Sign me up, man. I love

00:10:01.840 that. We are supposed to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. I think it works out well.

00:10:08.080 And speaking of some of those donors, speaking of some of those industries,

00:10:11.940 is a little bit of a terrifying headline out of the Wall Street Journal. It was just a couple days

00:10:15.860 ago. The AI boom is looking more and more fragile. AI stocks have swung downward as doubt rises about

00:10:23.080 sustainability and payoff. So a lot of the arguments for H-1Bs and bringing in these immigrants with 1.00

00:10:29.840 highly specialized technical skills is to serve the defense industry, sure, but also to serve Silicon

00:10:35.260 Valley. And you might not like Silicon Valley. Some people in Silicon Valley have been pretty

00:10:40.640 good recently and they moved a little bit to the right. And frankly, it's a Silicon Valley guy,

00:10:44.080 Elon Musk, who is probably responsible for the Trump victory because he bought X and freed up a

00:10:49.740 medium for conservatives to have to say. In any case, it is simply an economic fact. Silicon Valley

00:10:56.820 is propping up our whole economy right now. The stocks that are propping up the market are the

00:11:01.840 MAG-7. These big tech stocks, AI in particular, people are pouring money into AI. So if Silicon

00:11:09.740 Valley fails, the economy is going into the gutter that is going to destroy Republicans in the midterms

00:11:16.260 that very well could destroy J.D. Vance in 2028 or whoever the Republican nominee is, probably it's

00:11:21.400 going to be J.D. Vance. I know we love to focus on the Republican civil war. There's a Republican

00:11:28.140 civil war over neoconservatism and post-liberalism and Israel and social issues and this and that.

00:11:36.580 Sure, there is. I gave a speech on this last night. Actually, if you want my complete unvarnished take

00:11:41.760 on the so-called Republican right-wing civil war, I gave that speech at Belmont Abbey. We'll try to

00:11:46.440 get it up on the YouTube channel and Daily Wire and elsewhere. You get it there. Let me tell you

00:11:51.660 something. Silicon Valley failing would be much more calamitous for the Republican Party and the

00:11:58.740 conservative movement than any kind of civil wars or tweets or live streams or whatever.

00:12:04.480 And so I get it. Trump is trying to balance all of these things.

00:12:09.800 I'm pretty good with this effect. If we get, okay, we get some more tech workers, we get some whatever.

00:12:15.180 Net migration goes down. We keep up that trend. We fix the horrific migration problem. We keep the

00:12:22.580 stock market ticking along as best we can. We keep the economy going. That's not bad. It seems

00:12:28.280 actually pretty smart. Now, speaking of intelligence, John Fetterman, the one, I guess, quasi-blue dog,

00:12:34.740 moderate Democrat in the Senate, he just went on CNN and dropped some facts about the nastiness of the

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00:14:07.180 Choose smarter, not harder. Who's meaner, the right or the left? Who's meaner? If you listen

00:14:14.360 to the establishment media, they'll tell you that Republicans are hateful and fascists and 0.98

00:14:17.800 authoritarians and genocidal and whatever. If you look at social scientific data, you notice that the 0.90

00:14:23.700 left is meaner. The left is more likely to unfollow people on social media, to disown family over

00:14:29.660 politics, to justify political violence, to celebrate political violence. There's no question.

00:14:33.980 It's not even close. Here's John Fetterman, a member in good standing of the Democrat Party,

00:14:39.540 U.S. Senator, goes on CNN, the left-wing news channel, to drop some facts.

00:14:46.200 You said, quote, I've drunk deeply of the venom of both the left and the right. As a connoisseur,

00:14:53.180 I can confirm that the most poisonous, the bitterest, is from the far left. That is pretty

00:15:00.220 remarkable to hear you say that as an elected Democrat. Why?

00:15:06.680 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. You know, it's been it's just been my personal experience on this thing.

00:15:14.400 And when I asked my digital team, I said, you know, you're we're on all the platforms. You know,

00:15:19.640 really, what's what's kind of the harshest? What's kind of the most personal? And the answer was

00:15:24.340 immediate. He said, oh, blue sky. It's blue sky. And the difference is, I mean, the right would say

00:15:30.580 really rough things and names. You know, some names I won't I won't repeat on on TV. But but but the

00:15:37.080 on the left, it was like they want me to die or that we're cheering for your next stroke or that's

00:15:43.720 terrible. That depression. Why couldn't it depression one? And I hope your kids find you.

00:15:50.720 Uh, I mean, um, they even have like the graphic

00:15:54.160 a gif there. They have a stroke, you know, you know, in your head.

00:16:02.020 There's no surprise here whatsoever. You know, there are people on the right who make all sorts

00:16:07.580 of nasty jokes about politicians, of course. And it happens as politics. However, do you ever see

00:16:15.480 Republicans coming out just wishing death upon their enemies? You really don't see that.

00:16:19.640 And you see that all the time from the left. You see that from normies on the left.

00:16:24.520 And there are all sorts of cultural and religious reasons for that. The fact that they're kind of

00:16:28.300 nihilists or materialists and they deny the existence of a transcendent moral order and and so on and so

00:16:33.240 forth. But they do that. And that that radicalized John Fetterman. It radicalized. There's no question

00:16:40.380 about it. And we should never underestimate the persuasiveness of like just being charitable.

00:16:49.580 It's good to be charitable because, you know, if you don't have charity, you don't have anything.

00:16:52.880 But also it's persuasive in politics. It's so funny because the left, they love the word kind.

00:17:01.720 Have you noticed that? They love the word kind. They put kind over there. They said, be kind.

00:17:05.580 I love kind. We want it. We have to be kind. I don't know why it became a meme, but they all talk

00:17:10.920 about being kind and kindness all the time. And yet in the aggregate, statistically, they wish death

00:17:19.920 upon stroke victims of their own party. And that kind of radicalized him. Had the Democrats been nicer

00:17:29.300 to John Fetterman. Would he be going on these tours, subverting their party interests? Would he

00:17:35.060 be siding with seven of his colleagues to end the government shutdown and prove that the Democrats own 0.90

00:17:39.080 the shutdown and that they're useless? I don't know. People used to say in the first Trump term,

00:17:44.180 they said, you know, if only Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi had been nice to Trump, he might have

00:17:48.540 worked with them. But they had to call him a fascist and try to undermine him every step of the way and

00:17:52.680 really go after him in a vitriolic way. And so he destroyed them. He destroyed their party. He

00:17:56.700 destroyed their party. He destroyed their agenda. He survived all of their attempts on him, political

00:18:01.660 and otherwise. Not to be underestimated. You know, I have a friend who says that facts don't care about

00:18:09.460 your feelings, which is fair enough, you know, in as much as that's accurate. But you know what? You

00:18:14.360 know what cares about your feelings a lot? Politics. Politics cares a lot about your feelings. And if we

00:18:19.820 can win over a Democrat senator substantially, imagine what we can do to regular voters, to people who are

00:18:25.260 not partisans, to who are not super party political. You want to see a good example of this? Just a brief

00:18:31.960 little clip here. This was going viral on TikTok the other day. It's the Osborne family, Sharon Osborne,

00:18:38.280 you know, all the kids, Ozzy Osborne's family, playing a voicemail that they received from President Trump.

00:18:45.640 I mean, should we, should we play the voicemail?

00:18:50.340 Yeah.

00:18:51.340 Not saying who it's from. Everyone, everyone will know.

00:18:55.820 Hi, Sharon. It's Donald Trump. And I just wanted to wish you the best and the family.

00:19:04.520 Ozzy was amazing. He was an amazing guy. I met him a few times. And I want to tell you,

00:19:09.840 he was unique in every way and talented. So I just wanted to wish you the best. And it's a tough

00:19:15.820 thing. I know how close you were. And whatever I can do, take care of yourself. Say hello to the

00:19:20.600 family. Thanks. Bye.

00:19:24.520 Love him or hate him, he didn't have to call and leave a voicemail.

00:19:29.840 Listen, when it comes to politics, we know nobody comes out a winner.

00:19:36.180 This is great. I love this, this voicemail so much. I love this voicemail so much because

00:19:43.760 he didn't have to do it. You can tell the Osborne family they're trying to thread a political needle

00:19:47.760 and not seem like they're coming down on one side or the other. But obviously the choice to play the

00:19:51.200 voicemail is showing their gratitude for this. And what I love about the voicemail is it's personal.

00:19:58.060 You can recognize it just like Jack Osborne says, you know, you know who it is. You don't need to

00:20:02.040 intro it. You can tell it's Trump, but it's not performative in any way.

00:20:06.720 One, he took the time to do it because he met this guy a few times. This wasn't, he didn't blare

00:20:11.760 this out. It wasn't out there, you know, like giving long speeches about us. He just gives a

00:20:16.300 phone call to the family and it's pretty subdued. Just, hey, hey, I saw the news. He's great. He was

00:20:22.120 great. I really liked him. Met him a few times. So sorry for your family. Anyway, okay. All right. Bye.

00:20:27.360 It was it. It was not over the top. I, he was this amazing human being and America will never be the

00:20:35.980 same. What he wasn't giving some artificial stump speech, like plenty of politicians would do in

00:20:40.360 that situation. He wasn't promoting himself. Sometimes people accuse Trump because, because

00:20:44.900 he gives a lot of stump speeches, they accuse him. He's always promoting himself. Look, Ozzy,

00:20:48.520 we love Ozzy. We love, and you know who Ozzy loved me. He loved me and he loved my policies and

00:20:52.660 he loved my God, of course. It wasn't that at all. Just, hey, hey, it's done. It's just a guy. Hey,

00:20:58.000 it's just Donald. Hey, it's Donald. I knew, yeah, you know, I knew Ozzy a little bit. He was

00:21:01.520 great. Really, he was a great guy. So anyway, you know, my heart goes out to you. Talk to you. Bye.

00:21:06.020 You don't have to call me back. Whatever. Bye. It's great. That personal touch that connects.

00:21:10.560 People still wonder, how does this billionaire from New York, big TV star, real estate mogul,

00:21:15.680 guy who's flown around on a 747 for 40 years, you know, how does this guy have a relation to the

00:21:21.020 common man? It's that. It's these intangibles. It's these, these things that are barely perceptible.

00:21:25.700 It's just little movements of the face, little ways you talk, little tiny things you do that'll,

00:21:29.180 most of which will go unnoticed. That's, that's how you do it. That's, that's how you win John

00:21:33.720 Fetterman over as far as I'm concerned. Okay. Speaking of beautiful things, a beautiful voicemail,

00:21:38.720 Michelle Obama wants you to know how powerfully beautiful she is. And because some of you don't

00:21:46.120 know that she is going to educate you about it. And we have to start educating people about all kinds

00:21:54.160 of beauty. Yes. And our beauty is so powerful and so unique that it is, that it is worthy of a

00:22:03.840 conversation and it's worthy of demanding the respect that we're owed for who we are and what

00:22:11.180 we offer to the world. Absolutely. Absolutely.

00:22:13.940 I am so hot. I'm sexy and people don't realize that. And I'm uniquely sexy. She actually says so

00:22:24.940 unique, which is, this is a digression, but it's pedantic, but you can't, something can't be so

00:22:32.640 unique. Something can't, people say, oh, it's a very unique. Something can't be very unique. Unique

00:22:37.640 means one of a kind. It either is one of a kind or is not one of, it's one of many, but it can't be.

00:22:42.860 So please, Michelle Obama. Okay. That's the least of it. She says black beauty is unique, 0.58

00:22:51.820 uniquely powerful, and people need to be educated about this. And here I'm really doubting her grasp

00:22:58.360 of the English language, because if something is powerful, it does not require you to educate people,

00:23:07.200 to, to induct you into the secret mysteries of it. If a thing has power in itself, then it imposes

00:23:12.640 itself on others. You don't need someone to persuade you of it exactly. But this is about a lot more

00:23:20.520 than how hot Michelle Obama is. Okay. This actually gets down to, I think, the heart of liberalism and

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00:24:53.020 Distributors, LLC. Michelle Obama comes at you and goes,

00:24:56.280 black beauty is so powerful, and we need to educate everyone about it.

00:25:00.700 That is Gnostic racism. That is to say, that is to say, look, there's this special power of black 1.00

00:25:09.100 beauty, but you have not been inducted into the special mystery cult. So let me do that to you.

00:25:14.760 And frankly, that's what a lot of our modern education is. It's just libs inducting people

00:25:20.100 into their weird mystery cults. Certainly that's what transgenderism is. That's probably the clearest 1.00

00:25:24.780 example of Gnostic leftism. To say, oh, you think he's a man, but actually, secretly, he's a woman. 0.90

00:25:31.800 Let me induct you into the mystery cult in all the ways. Oh, actually, you don't understand.

00:25:36.920 Michelle Obama is the hottest chick on earth. You think Sidney Sweeney's hot? No. Michelle Obama 1.00

00:25:42.200 is secretly the hottest chick in the world. Let me induct you into my mystery. There's this Gnostic 1.00

00:25:47.500 element to liberalism. And I guess the opposite of it would be, certainly would be traditional

00:25:54.520 politics, traditional religion, especially. We're talking about cults. And I think the clearest

00:25:59.180 opposite would be the Catholic Church. Say whatever you will about the Catholic Church. It is not Gnostic. 0.88

00:26:05.740 And in fact, the Catholic Church extirpated a lot of Gnosticism in antiquity and the Middle Ages. And I

00:26:10.880 suppose it has to continue to do that today. You walk into a Catholic Church, there's not a lot of

00:26:16.040 secrets. It's all kind of out there. The smells and the bells and the colors and the garments. And

00:26:22.700 it's public. Big cathedrals, not secret little hiding places underground, unless the political

00:26:29.480 authority forces you into the catacombs. It's all out there. It's big. It's available to everyone.

00:26:35.800 You don't become a 33rd degree Catholic. You have to do that in Freemasonry. You don't have to do that

00:26:40.220 in Catholicism. It's all there. It's open. It's available. This is why I've mentioned why

00:26:46.680 Tocqueville predicted America would become Catholic. This is actually the reason. Because 1.00

00:26:50.440 he says that it's the most amenable to democracy. Because if people are going to subject themselves

00:26:55.440 to a religious authority, they want it to be uniform. Same for everyone. There aren't really

00:27:00.600 more advanced elite Catholics and, I don't know, hoi polloi Catholics. Everyone's just a Catholic.

00:27:07.780 And you will be judged. And the first will be last, and the last will be first.

00:27:12.860 So whatever you think about Michelle Obama's supposed hotness, this is a much deeper problem

00:27:20.080 for the left. And I think it's why they're losing ground. I think it's why common sense

00:27:23.180 knocks down a lot of leftism. Because you can just say, like to the Gnostic transgender thing, 0.98

00:27:28.220 you can just say, this man is really a woman. We've undergone the ritual of transition. And now 0.91

00:27:38.820 he's, we've undergone the ritual of coming out day. And now he's a woman. And you can just say,

00:27:43.680 like, no, he's not. No, he's not. So it's not to say, look, maybe Michelle Obama is a perfectly fine

00:27:52.140 looking woman. I'm not. Please don't clip this as I may. I'm not in any way insulting Michelle Obama's

00:27:56.940 looks. But this notion that black people are the most especially beautiful people and other people

00:28:04.360 are not. And actually, you need to be inducted into the great sexiness of Michelle Obama. It's 0.99

00:28:10.400 so ridiculous. It's so totally ridiculous. And I think it's lost a lot of currency. Now, speaking of 0.99

00:28:16.220 race, there's a big problem. Have you heard of the big problem? It's in podcasting. You're watching

00:28:23.540 or listening to a podcast right now. You know, the big problem is that most podcasters are white guys. 0.84

00:28:32.020 That's a big problem. We got to solve it. We need a task force. Got to stop all these white guys from 1.00

00:28:38.080 podcasting. I've said it for years, though. I've said it. Actually, I got this from Sweet Little Elisa. 0.98

00:28:42.620 Sweet Little Elisa pointed out. She goes, Mac, how come like every single white guy under the age of

00:28:47.480 70 has a podcast? You know what we need is more podcasts, Mac. It's true. There are so many

00:28:52.480 podcasts. Well, now we have numbers to back it up. This is from The Wrap. Podcasting's diversity

00:28:58.180 problem. 64% of hosts are male. 77% are white. USC study finds. The podcasting medium significantly

00:29:09.760 trails the diversity. This is some great defect. It's like white guys have their own shows on their 0.60

00:29:16.420 own platforms. And this is like a major defect. They trail the diversity of other entertainment

00:29:21.600 avenues. So what do we know about podcasts? We know two things. One is that there are a ton of

00:29:29.720 white guys in it, disproportionate number of white guys in it. And two, it's the least regulated

00:29:34.900 broadcast medium in existence. What are we to conclude from those two facts? Yes, it's mostly

00:29:45.740 white guys. Also, it's the least regulated, most open to market demands, freest. Perhaps that would 0.86

00:29:56.460 suggest that the imposition of diversity, racial, sexual, whatever, in broadcast is artificial,

00:30:07.300 is the product of social engineering, is a political program rammed down the throats of listeners

00:30:14.400 who actually, they don't exclusively want white guys to broadcast to them. Quarter of them are not

00:30:21.220 white. Look, there's a country that's still 60% white, so it's not that far. Okay, quarter of them 0.86

00:30:25.560 are not white. And, you know, 40, sorry, 36% are women. So okay, it's not 50-50, so it's not, but

00:30:35.140 they, the audiences do want white guys a little bit more to be podcast. I don't know what it is

00:30:42.900 about white guys. I am a white guy. I'm a plausibly white guy. And I don't know, I don't know what it

00:30:48.380 is about us. I don't know what it is. I'm not a geneticist. I'm not a phrenologist. I don't know

00:31:03.600 what it is. But you don't hear about the NBA's diversity problem, do you? You don't hear about,

00:31:11.460 I don't know, elementary school teachers' diversity problem, you know, too many women 1.00

00:31:15.940 or something. No. Maybe it's the case that, you know, black guys are much better than other races 1.00

00:31:25.380 and women at basketball, maybe. Maybe women are much better than men at, I don't know, 1.00

00:31:32.880 nursing or at caring for people or nurturing or early education or what. And maybe white guys,

00:31:41.480 maybe we finally found our niche, you know. Maybe we were made for podcasting. That's certainly what

00:31:49.320 the market says. It makes you wonder. You say, why is there this matter of social engineering

00:31:55.440 clearly imposed from the top down that probably discriminates against white guys in other broadcast

00:32:02.620 media? Why is that? It's weird. Speaking of white guys, JFK's grandson, Jack Schlossberg,

00:32:10.620 is running for Congress in New York. We don't have enough Kennedys in the government. Well, 0.99

00:32:14.700 we do have one great Kennedy in the government, Bobby Kennedy. But we don't have any Kennedys in

00:32:19.160 Congress. It's weird. I remember when the last Kennedy left Congress. It was bizarre because

00:32:22.220 it was the first time in decades you didn't have a Kennedy there. Jack Schlossberg wants to take over

00:32:28.400 the Kennedy legacy. And so he goes on MSNBC to announce his run and to smack down his cousin,

00:32:38.400 RFK Jr. Caged one and put it in his cabinet, a rabid dog in his cabinet, put a collar on my cousin,

00:32:47.980 RFK Jr. and has him there barking, spreading lies and spreading misinformation.

00:32:54.420 You were the first member of your family to come out and criticize him publicly. What do you say to

00:32:59.580 voters who now see the Kennedy name and associate it with your cousin's policies?

00:33:04.420 I don't think there's anything anyone can do to change what JFK, my grandparents, my mom,

00:33:09.820 my uncle John stood for. Nobody is that powerful. But RFK Jr. is a dangerous person who has making

00:33:17.460 life and death decisions as Secretary of Health and Human Services. And you don't just have to

00:33:22.640 take my word for it. Now we have an actual record to go on. He has cut a quarter of the people who

00:33:27.880 work in his agency. He fired all the vaccine experts on the panel and replaced them with anti-vaxxers.

00:33:32.820 He's cutting funding for life-saving research, cancer patients giving them their last hope.

00:33:40.100 Okay, so he just right out the gate, he says there's this rabid dog in the administration,

00:33:45.180 my cousin, RFK Jr. This is nasty. This is ugly. People don't like to see family members wage 0.68

00:33:52.500 attacks on each other this way. They certainly don't like to see young family members attack their

00:33:56.840 older relatives. Like this nasty, ugly stuff. But it's an interesting attack. I bet it was focus

00:34:03.760 grouped. I bet that isn't the first time he's waged it. Because he's trying to paint the Secretary

00:34:08.860 of Health and Human Services as being sick and diseased. Rabid. He's a rabid dog. So it's actually 0.99

00:34:14.140 a pretty clever attack. But it's ugly. It's really, really ugly. Because it raises this question.

00:34:20.940 If this is what he thinks of his somewhat moderate Democrat cousin, what does he think about the

00:34:26.800 rest of us? What does he think about conservatives, Republicans? How can you be a patriot if you

00:34:34.060 treat your family this way? Patriotism is just an extension of love of your family. How can anyone

00:34:39.200 be a patriot if he would treat his own family this way? You know, I actually went to college with Jack.

00:34:44.960 I didn't really know him. Maybe I met him once or twice. I don't want to tell any tales out of school.

00:34:51.040 I don't want to make any personal observations or anything like that. From just judging by this

00:34:58.100 clip, how could you vote for this guy? I don't know. Maybe he's going to, this is his first time

00:35:07.780 running for office. He's clearly tried to run for office for a while. He's been in magazines and

00:35:12.760 things like that. But he's a Kennedy. You basically have to run for office. How could someone think

00:35:19.520 that you could be a patriot if you're so nasty to your own family? And then the question is, well, 0.92

00:35:26.300 do you think Bobby Kennedy is destroying the Kennedy family legacy? And what does he say? He says,

00:35:29.980 no one, no force is powerful enough, except for maybe black female beauty, to take, oh, no, 1.00

00:35:36.500 he didn't say that. He didn't go to Michelle Obama. He's, no force is powerful enough to destroy what

00:35:43.300 my grandfather stood for. Can I just, I don't, what did John F. Kennedy stand for? And it even goes

00:35:53.260 on his other family members. What did they, what do you mean what they stood for? What did the,

00:35:58.060 what did John F. Kennedy stand for? He stood for stealing votes in Illinois and Texas and taking the

00:36:03.640 election away from Richard Nixon. That's no, no, allegedly, allegedly. But what did he stand for?

00:36:11.420 He's a, he was a young president who got murdered. That's why people like him.

00:36:15.120 Because it was sad when he got murdered and he was young and he was relatively good looking.

00:36:18.680 In as much as he stood for anything, he stood for a moderate, patriotic, respectful Democrat party

00:36:28.180 that no longer exists. I don't think Jack Schlossberg is running for, for Congress on that

00:36:36.020 kind of a platform. I think he's probably running on the new Democrat party economic platform. I think

00:36:42.120 he's probably running on the new Democrat party platform when it comes to domestic policy, foreign

00:36:46.000 policy. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see more from his campaign. This is the, even the patriotism.

00:36:51.160 Could you imagine John F. Kennedy calling one of his brothers or his father or someone like that,

00:36:55.360 a rabid dog? No. So it's this kind of irony. So no one could destroy what my grandfather stood for.

00:37:04.400 Every single Democrat has destroyed that. In as much as John F. Kennedy has a legacy,

00:37:10.080 it is completely destroyed. And by all accounts, if you, if you, I'm not saying had he lived,

00:37:16.280 I'm saying had you taken John F. Kennedy and just put him in a time machine and dropped him

00:37:22.000 from the 60s into 1925, or 2025, he would be a Republican. He would be a conservative Republican.

00:37:28.780 There's no question about it. Okay. Speaking of Democrats seeking office, Scott Wiener,

00:37:35.800 the aptly named Scott Wiener, nomen est omen, is totally destroying a domestic violence victim

00:37:43.320 with transgenderism and leftism.

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00:38:12.660 My favorite comment is from Sean Atter, 72. It says, only conservatives buy Nike, the left steals

00:38:20.200 them. You make a great point. Because, you know, Michael Jordan said, well, Republicans buy Nikes too.

00:38:26.460 I don't want to get too political. But you're right, it's only conservatives who buy Nikes.

00:38:31.240 When the left gets Nikes, it's through their civil rights marches, you know, for St. George Floyd.

00:38:38.040 Well, as they're torching cities, they drop in and grab a pair or two of Air Jordans. Yes.

00:38:43.700 Scott Wiener. Scott Wiener, who is best known as the California legislator who reduced punishments

00:38:51.340 for pederasts. This is older men who rape young boys. It's statutory rape. We want to be fair to 0.99

00:38:59.100 Scott Wiener. Older, perverted men who prey on young boys. He wanted to make sure, as a matter of 0.93

00:39:05.880 justice, that he would reduce their punishments. He also, what was the other thing? He reduced the

00:39:12.100 punishments for people who knowingly spread AIDS to people, HIV. Yeah, that's his political legacy.

00:39:18.880 So, Scott Wiener seems to have one particular obsession. He's sitting doing a town hall kind

00:39:25.860 of event and a woman comes up. And, well, I'll just let you listen to the interaction.

00:39:33.080 Senator Wiener, as the only black lesbian here, can I please ask you a question because I flew 1.00

00:39:37.540 here to do that. Yeah.

00:39:38.860 Okay. As a lesbian woman who was attacked in a woman's locker room at Gold's Gym this week 1.00

00:39:45.660 by a self-identifying trans woman with a documented history of domestic violence, I'm deeply concerned

00:39:52.780 about women's safety in female-only spaces. What would you say to women who are seeking

00:39:58.260 assurance that their safety will be protected from men who, by California law, can self-ID 0.55

00:40:04.960 as women in women-only spaces, sir? Please tell me.

00:40:08.880 Yeah. So, we want, I mean, everyone to be safe. And we also know that, you know, we have

00:40:16.400 trans people, both men and women, who are men and women. And so, you know, we, so if you're

00:40:26.900 trans women, you're women. 1.00

00:40:28.820 Senator, you've done great things.

00:40:32.500 So, this woman, listen, even that, I'll cut it off there. We should go. You've done great 1.00

00:40:35.400 things. I agree. This is a liberal woman. A liberal woman, a relatively solid Democrat

00:40:41.540 constituency, lesbian, black woman. It's not like his, you know, big Bubba right-winger

00:40:48.360 coming out there smacking out Scott Wiener. This is, this is one of his constituents. And

00:40:52.740 she says, hey, you know, I've, she's at least insinuating, I've experienced domestic violence.

00:40:59.760 There are women-only spaces for a reason. And what if I, what if I don't want to have 1.00

00:41:05.600 to, you know, get changed in front of a man? What if I don't want to have to use the bathroom 1.00

00:41:10.560 next to a man? What if I, you know, can I have any, like, the whole reason we have women-only 1.00

00:41:15.400 spaces to begin with, can I have any protection? And Scott Wiener comes out, he goes, no, you

00:41:20.740 can't. Suck it. Sorry. Ha ha. No way. You're not. We're forcing transgenderism on 1.00

00:41:25.680 everybody. You lose. She goes, but I, look, I respect things that you've done. Nope. We're 0.73

00:41:32.800 forcing dudes into your locker room and your bathroom. And I don't care that some man has 0.99

00:41:38.260 beaten you in the past. Doesn't bother me. Trans rights are the most important thing.

00:41:43.120 Well, we say goes. So, sorry. That's what, that's what he's saying. I, look, it might,

00:41:51.320 in his race, it might work out fine. This is what, this is the issue that started to unravel 0.95

00:41:56.160 the entire Democrat party. That's it. It was a major issue in 2024. And that, it's also an issue

00:42:04.080 where this woman, who's clearly very liberal, very much on the left, that's the kind of issue 1.00

00:42:09.760 that makes her think, man, maybe I misjudged this Trump guy. Because I got this deviant freak

00:42:16.300 in, who's running for Senate or Congress or whatever he's running for, Scott Wiener. And he,

00:42:21.720 I got this freak out here telling me that he's going to force me to get naked in front of men.

00:42:28.540 And I don't know, Trump, like, I don't like everything about him, but he doesn't make me do

00:42:33.540 that. Now, there's an interesting point she's raised. A lot of times when you hear the arguments

00:42:41.020 against the transgender ideology, you, it comes from this place of, well, some women have suffered 0.89

00:42:46.280 domestic violence. And so we don't want women to get beaten up in the bathroom, in the locker room. 0.99

00:42:50.160 So that's why we can't have transgenderism in public life. It's, it, it's another version of 1.00

00:42:56.320 when you hear, you know, well, we just love women's sports so much. Women's sports, the most important

00:43:01.180 issue to conservative Republicans. We just need our precious women's sports. So that's why we can't 1.00

00:43:07.160 have transgenderism in public life. And it's so ridiculous. The reason that we can't have 1.00

00:43:12.100 transgenderism in public life or that we should not is because it's false. It's completely ridiculous. 0.99

00:43:17.940 A man can't be a woman and it harms everyone involved when you pretend that he can. It harms 1.00

00:43:23.640 the people who are confused. It harms everyone around them. It makes the society engage in lies.

00:43:29.300 It's ridiculous. That's why. And sure, women should have their own sports leagues if they want, 1.00

00:43:35.420 I guess. I don't care. I don't care. No one watches women's sports. Sometimes women's tennis 1.00

00:43:41.520 people watch. I like female athletes. If they like their sports, they can, sure. 1.00

00:43:47.480 And furthermore, yeah, we need to protect women from being beaten up by men. Absolutely. Which

00:43:53.780 pertains to the women's sports in as much as we're talking about boxing or UFC or whatever. But 0.97

00:43:57.320 yeah, generally we need to protect women from being beaten up by men. But that's not the main reason 0.95

00:44:01.780 either. Because it's a relatively minor issue in the broader scope of trans identifying people going

00:44:11.400 into the bathroom. When the left tells us that, oh, come on, they're not really that violent in

00:44:14.920 bathrooms or aren't that many. Generally, that's true. It does happen. In fact, Daily Wire broke the

00:44:19.060 story of the Loudoun County rape because of a gender neutral bathroom policy. So it does happen for 0.99

00:44:23.380 sure. But yeah, I'll give it to the left. You're right. It's not happening 100% of the time. That's for

00:44:29.120 sure. Which is why I think we all need to be a little bit honest and say the reason that we

00:44:34.360 don't want transgenderism in public life is because it's just ridiculous and fake and false. 1.00

00:44:39.120 And it creates disorder and lies. But there was a great tweeter, Esther K, Esther C. Krakow, 0.99

00:44:46.900 who made this point. Said, why do women always have to cite sexual domestic violence to justify 1.00

00:44:51.660 single-sex spaces? Shouldn't I don't want to share a changing room with a man be enough? 1.00

00:44:57.040 Yes. Preach, sister. Preach. That's how I feel about even like gender neutral bathrooms. 1.00

00:45:06.600 I don't. Things that happen in bathrooms are gross. And I don't want to be around women who 1.00

00:45:12.940 doing that. And I don't want to do that myself around women. That's gross. A little mystery is 1.00

00:45:18.580 nice between the sexes. Yeah, it's gross. That should be enough. But the reason it's not enough 0.98

00:45:26.400 is because of the feminists. I'm sorry to say. It's because the feminists argued for decades, 0.97

00:45:33.400 they campaigned for decades on invading men's only spaces. For decades, they came and said men are not

00:45:40.380 allowed to have their own spaces. You see this, especially with private clubs. But elsewhere, too,

00:45:45.800 they said, no, wherever a man can go, women need to go, too. Except when it's inconvenient for us. 0.99

00:45:51.380 And so this is the problem. Men have figured out a workaround, by the way. The workaround to that

00:45:55.700 rule is cigar lounges. That is why. Look, I go to cigar lounges because I like cigars. I love cigars

00:46:02.460 since I'm 15. But another reason, and a reason that I think a lot of people who are not as obsessed

00:46:08.360 with cigars go to them is because it allows men to hang out with each other and talk with relatively

00:46:15.960 few women, if any, around. That's why. And it's nothing against women. I love women, as you know. 0.99

00:46:20.560 But sometimes, to Esther's point, sometimes women want to spend time with women. Sometimes men want

00:46:27.560 to hang out with men. Men and women are different, right? Right? Isn't that ultimately the objection to

00:46:35.260 the transgender ideology? Isn't that ultimately why support for same-sex marriage is declining?

00:46:43.000 Isn't that why people have turned against feminism? Why feminism has made women unhappy 1.00

00:46:47.260 relative to men and in absolute terms? Yeah. Maybe that's why. Maybe the feminists should not have 1.00

00:46:55.240 invaded every male-only space. Because this is the chickens coming home to roost, and they are hoisted by

00:47:00.700 their own petard. But that's fine. We should stop it, for sure. We should chill out with that,

00:47:05.280 no question about it. But it's... Guys, come on. Let's follow these ideas to their logical conclusion.

00:47:11.140 Give men their private clubs back. And give women their locker rooms and their spaces back, too. 0.99

00:47:17.060 Speaking of the difference between the sexes, this is a story that's deeply unpleasant that I didn't

00:47:20.640 want to get to, but I suppose I have to. It's going all around. An ABC News anchor,

00:47:27.480 Gio Benitez, has been confirmed in the Catholic Church. That in itself is a really good thing,

00:47:34.880 and that's very exciting, and that's wonderful. I want everyone to come into the church. That's great.

00:47:39.640 There's a little wrinkle with it, though, which is that he was confirmed in the church

00:47:44.560 as an openly gay guy. Not just as like a, you know, a little bit gay guy, like the British or something,

00:47:51.660 but as an openly gay guy, who does not seem to have changed his views on that, and his sponsor,

00:47:59.480 you get a sponsor in the church, just like when you're baptized as a baby of a godfather,

00:48:02.560 you have a sponsor when you come in. His sponsor was reportedly his husband, quote unquote.

00:48:08.420 So clearly not a lot of change in their minds here. Clearly not a lot of accepting Catholic

00:48:13.880 teaching, perennial Catholic teaching on this matter. And the guy who celebrated the confirmation

00:48:19.700 is this Jesuit, Father James Martin, who is obsessed with gay stuff. I don't know how to put it more 0.96

00:48:29.520 charitably than that. He's just totally obsessed with gay stuff, and he's like really, really into 0.65

00:48:34.500 promoting gay stuff. And he really makes the rest of the Catholics look bad. I say respectfully, 0.99

00:48:41.740 filial correction to Father Martin, but it's like really weird, man. He even, when the Vatican came out

00:48:48.840 and issued this ambiguous statement about blessing homosexual individuals, but not homosexual unions,

00:48:54.080 and it was a little confusing. What do you know? There's Father James Martin, and there just happened

00:48:59.220 to be a New York Times photographer right next to him when he decided to do one of these blessings.

00:49:03.020 And it's weird. It's weird. And I don't mean to be too harsh on Father Martin. Not sure one can be too

00:49:08.940 harsh on Father Martin. And I don't mean to be too harsh on this guy, Gio Benitez. I hope that he's

00:49:16.060 having a kind of religious revival within himself, and he's asking these questions. He wants to pursue

00:49:21.320 the truth and pursue God. This is a serious scandal. It's a really serious scandal. And it's a scandal

00:49:28.500 because it confuses people about church teaching. And it's a scandal because it leads the men

00:49:36.360 themselves astray. And it's a scandal because it turns other people away from the church.

00:49:42.380 You know the famous millstone, Mac, you know, about, you know, whoever troubles one of these

00:49:46.500 little ones, scandalizes one of these little ones. It, that verse is not referring to like physically

00:49:53.200 harming children or anyone. It's about scandal. The sin of scandal is a really big deal.

00:49:58.900 And it would be very helpful if Father Martin were corrected for this. It would be very helpful

00:50:06.360 if church teaching were clear. You know, church teaching is clear on this. And there are all sorts

00:50:11.780 of ways, you know, it's not as though they were blessing a same-sex union or this or that. It's just

00:50:16.020 all kind of in between the lines. And it's, it's scandalous. And that's bad. You know, the truth

00:50:22.480 above all things is to be pursued. And this kind of stuff, it's, it's, it's a kind of soft,

00:50:29.840 fake niceness. It's that kindness, you know, that the libs are always, be kind, just be kind.

00:50:36.340 But at a time when, you know, so-called rigid traditionalists have been restricted,

00:50:43.440 really put upon, had a real, had a real scrutiny applied to them, then you see this kind of thing.

00:50:49.560 You think, that's not loving. It's not teaching. It's not, it's really, it's not, not good.

00:50:53.780 It's scandalous. And, and you have, people need to take note of that. And there has to be a

00:50:58.520 correction, in my humble opinion, as a lay person. Okay. Speaking of religion, today is Theology

00:51:04.740 Thursday. And we have a very, very special guest for Theology Thursday. The rest of the show

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The Michael Knowles Show - November 13, 2025

Ep. 1856 - The Right-Wing SPLITS Over Trump’s H1-B Legal Immigration Plan

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