The Michael Knowles Show - November 19, 2025


Ep. 1860 - BREAKING： Dems Caught Texting Epstein, Files To Be Released


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49 minutes

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170.28752

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8,434

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647

Misogynist Sentences

9

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Summary

The House of Representatives voted to release the Epstein files, but one guy voted no. What does that mean for the rest of us? And why should we care? Michael Krieger explains why he doesn t want the files released.


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00:00:26.620 The House has voted 427 to 1 to release the Epstein files.
00:00:32.760 In this divided political environment, an all but unanimous vote from the House of Representatives
00:00:37.880 is an amazing testament to the persistence of interest in this issue.
00:00:42.240 As of last week, the president himself was calling for the release of the files.
00:00:46.400 Now, both the legislature and the executive have put their stamp of approval on it,
00:00:51.480 which means, by the way, for those of you who do not understand how Washington works,
00:00:57.140 that you will never, ever, ever, under any circumstances,
00:01:03.160 find out anything more than you currently know about what Jeffrey Epstein was actually up to.
00:01:08.920 I'm Michael Knowles.
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00:03:14.560 Okay, before we get into anything, just real quick.
00:03:16.960 Look, the story dominating all the headlines on the left, on the right, in the establishment media,
00:03:23.560 in the new media, so-called, the Epstein files.
00:03:28.320 The House has just voted unanimously, almost, to release the Epstein files.
00:03:34.420 Now, one guy voted against it.
00:03:37.540 So, of course, you look at that, 427-01 on an issue that has been characterized as, you know,
00:03:43.820 on the one side, if you're in favor of release, it means that you want transparency and democracy
00:03:50.100 and accountability.
00:03:51.080 If you oppose release, it means you support pedophile reptile people mobbed up with the CIA and Mossad,
00:03:59.240 blackmailing our entire government.
00:04:01.100 That's basically how this has been presented to the world.
00:04:04.540 And so, you got to ask, well, who's the guy who votes no on that?
00:04:09.220 To me, when all the Democrats and all the Republicans agree on something and there's one guy who says no,
00:04:15.520 my gut tells me that guy probably has a point.
00:04:18.860 When all the Republicans and all the Democrats in Washington agree on something,
00:04:23.100 I'm skeptical of that thing.
00:04:24.960 So, the person is Representative Clay Higgins, and here's his argument.
00:04:29.800 Here's why he doesn't want the Epstein files released.
00:04:32.840 He says, I've been a principled no on this bill from the beginning.
00:04:35.700 What was wrong with the bill three months ago is still wrong today.
00:04:38.300 It abandons 250 years of criminal justice procedure in America.
00:04:41.600 As written, this bill reveals and injures thousands of innocent people,
00:04:45.620 witnesses, people who provided alibis, family members, etc.
00:04:49.460 If enacted in its current form, this type of broad reveal of criminal investigative files
00:04:54.640 released to a rabid media will absolutely result in innocent people being hurt.
00:04:59.080 Not by my vote.
00:05:00.440 The Oversight Committee is conducting a thorough investigation that's already released
00:05:03.360 well over 60,000 pages of documents from the Epstein case.
00:05:06.820 That effort will continue in a manner that provides all due protections for innocent Americans.
00:05:10.540 If the Senate amends the bill to properly address the privacy of victims and other Americans
00:05:14.800 who are named but not criminally implicated,
00:05:16.340 then I will vote for that bill when it comes back to the House.
00:05:19.760 Okay, totally reasonable.
00:05:23.680 I know, put me against the mob here.
00:05:25.720 I think that's totally reasonable.
00:05:27.860 In fact, I think the whole framing of the Epstein files thing is kind of silly.
00:05:32.620 Look, I'm very curious about Epstein.
00:05:34.420 I don't believe the official story of how he died.
00:05:36.420 I don't believe the official story of how he operated.
00:05:38.820 I suspect he was in some way connected to intelligence.
00:05:41.660 I want to know why that is.
00:05:44.080 And we'll get to why people care so much about that.
00:05:46.360 And obviously, you want some justice for the victims.
00:05:48.080 All those things are true.
00:05:48.920 But the whole idea of the Epstein files being kept under lock and key.
00:05:53.860 First of all, that's obviously not true because we keep seeing the Epstein files.
00:05:58.360 They keep leaking.
00:05:59.300 Democrats keep posting them or Republicans alternately keep posting them.
00:06:03.180 And we've read a lot of them.
00:06:04.620 We have over 60,000 pages of them.
00:06:06.080 What does that even mean to release?
00:06:08.500 It means release more of the Epstein files.
00:06:10.700 Take away some of the redactions.
00:06:13.380 Even release accusations that were later retracted.
00:06:17.840 Even what does it mean exactly?
00:06:21.700 Here is Mike Johnson's take on it.
00:06:24.800 All right.
00:06:25.980 Number five, national security concerns, okay?
00:06:28.740 The discharge requires the attorney general to release within 30 days, quote, classified information to the maximum extent possible.
00:06:39.180 This ignores the principle that declassification should always rest and always has rested with the agency that originated the intelligence.
00:06:47.380 Why?
00:06:48.140 So that they can protect their critical sources and methods.
00:06:51.700 It is incredibly dangerous to demand that officials or employees of the DOJ declassify materials that originated in other agencies, in intelligence agencies.
00:07:02.960 Okay, so here we have effectively an admission that Epstein was involved in intelligence, which I think everybody at this point should know.
00:07:14.100 Anyone who's paid two seconds of attention to the Epstein case should know.
00:07:17.020 Saying it's irresponsible to just release all of the files because we should only be releasing intelligence, or rather the origination of releasing that intelligence should come from the agencies that were involved.
00:07:32.820 In other words, the agencies were involved.
00:07:34.720 Now, it doesn't mean that Epstein was Jason Bourne or James Bond.
00:07:37.580 It means that it could mean that.
00:07:40.320 Or it could mean that he was operating, he was doing whatever he was doing, and then the intelligence agencies came in and squeezed him.
00:07:47.020 And he informed for them, or he was some kind of asset for them, or in some way he worked with them.
00:07:52.720 In any case, it is now certainly beyond a shadow of a doubt, Epstein was involved in some way with intelligence.
00:08:00.540 Over the years, we've seen hints of this.
00:08:02.520 Reportedly, Alex Acosta, U.S. attorney in the Epstein case, who then was up for labor secretary under Trump, won.
00:08:07.220 He reportedly said, when he was explaining his role in the Epstein case, that he was told to lay off because Epstein belonged to intelligence.
00:08:15.800 We know the connection of the madam of Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father worked for Israeli intelligence and probably MI6 and probably the KGB.
00:08:28.380 And it seemed like he was a double or triple agent, too.
00:08:30.420 So this is it.
00:08:31.440 This is, I guess, my frustration with the Epstein thing, is I have all the same questions everybody else does.
00:08:39.080 But it's so disingenuous.
00:08:41.000 Because the way that the Epstein case is being presented now, today, is it's being presented by Democrats as a Trump scandal.
00:08:49.840 The Epstein issue long predates Trump's entry into politics.
00:08:55.920 And for most of the time, it was Republicans, including Trump, who were pushing for more transparency on Epstein because it was a Bill Clinton scandal, because it was a Democrat scandal.
00:09:05.680 And now, each party says, well, it's a scandal for the other party.
00:09:12.100 But at bottom, what everyone is pretending is that the reason to release the Epstein files, the reason to get to the bottom of the Epstein case, is justice for the prostitutes, including, in some cases, underage prostitutes.
00:09:26.440 Girls are being trafficked by Epstein.
00:09:27.800 But that's what it's supposedly about.
00:09:31.200 And that's not what it's about.
00:09:33.140 That's part of it.
00:09:34.020 Obviously, you want justice for all sorts of victims.
00:09:36.180 That's not why people care.
00:09:37.880 That has almost nothing to do with why people care.
00:09:41.240 The reason people care primarily about the Epstein case is because they want to know how corrupt our government is, how compromised our government is, who's pulling the strings, who's calling the shots.
00:09:55.420 That's why people care.
00:09:56.540 People don't really care for some perp, some rich guy who went to Epstein's Island, who slept with a girl, be she 21 or 17, worse, obviously, if she's underage.
00:10:07.540 They don't want him to be brought to justice.
00:10:09.320 That's not primarily it.
00:10:10.640 Like, sure, I guess he should.
00:10:11.960 But what this is about is, was American intelligence involved in an underage prostitution ring, potentially an underage blackmail prostitution ring?
00:10:24.440 And even more so, was foreign intelligence involved?
00:10:28.460 And the big accusation is that Epstein was mobbed up with the Mossad, with some kind of Israeli intelligence.
00:10:34.160 Obviously, he was friends with Ehud Barak, former prime minister of Israel.
00:10:37.040 In some ways, though, the Barak relationship almost undermines the Israeli intelligence angle because Epstein was funding Barak, and Barak is a left-wing Israeli politician.
00:10:48.460 So he's out of favor with the current Israeli government.
00:10:50.900 And anyway, it's sort of complicated.
00:10:51.900 But regardless, that's why people care.
00:10:55.340 That's what they want to know.
00:10:56.440 They don't want a perp list, primarily.
00:10:58.320 I don't think, like, I'm sure they'd take it.
00:10:59.860 But they don't even exactly want justice for the victims, though.
00:11:04.240 That would be good, too.
00:11:04.920 The main driver of interest in the Epstein case is what intelligence agencies was he mobbed up with?
00:11:13.260 To what degree was he mobbed up with them?
00:11:15.740 What was the nature of his infrastructure?
00:11:18.940 What was the nature of his operation?
00:11:20.420 And who's pulling the strings in the American government?
00:11:24.380 That's what people care about.
00:11:25.800 And you're not going to get the answers to any of those things.
00:11:28.240 All of this, the files are going to be released, the black book, the names of the clients and the johns.
00:11:33.020 It is all a distraction.
00:11:35.480 You are simply not going to get to the heart of it.
00:11:38.080 That's really my frustration here.
00:11:39.760 And you might upend regular prosecutorial procedure in the meantime for nothing, for a sideshow.
00:11:45.340 Okay.
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00:13:41.120 Real quick, just to put a button on the Epstein thing, what are we finding out?
00:13:44.040 Just so you're caught up on the latest schoolyard shenanigans.
00:13:47.380 One thing we're finding out is that, as the Democrats are claiming, this is a big Trump scandal, and we're going to get to the bottom of it.
00:13:56.660 And can you believe Trump had a relationship with Epstein?
00:13:58.400 We're finding out that a Democrat congressman, Stacey Plaskett, was texting Jeffrey Epstein, trying to get good questions to grill Trump's associates on during a congressional hearing.
00:14:13.700 Democrats colluding with Jeffrey Epstein himself to try to get Trump.
00:14:19.660 This was first reported by the Washington Post.
00:14:22.520 It was a 2019 House Oversight Committee hearing with Trump's former lawyer, Michael Cohen.
00:14:27.760 So we're told it's a big scandal that Trump palled around with Jeffrey Epstein 25 years ago.
00:14:31.960 But meanwhile, you've got Democrats saying like, hey, Jeff, buddy, what's going on?
00:14:36.000 Give me some good stuff that I can slam Trump's lawyer with.
00:14:38.380 Here is how Jamie Raskin, Democrat member of the House, defended his colleague for, you know, I don't know, sitting up late at night, kicking her feet up on the bed saying, hey, Jeffrey, you up?
00:14:49.040 What's going on?
00:14:49.860 Now, they want to take a former United States prosecutor, the representative of the people of the Virgin Islands, and without even going to the ethics committee, much less a court, they want to arraign her on some charges based on a newspaper article that she did something lawful.
00:15:08.540 However ill-advised it may have been, she took a phone call from one of her constituents.
00:15:14.560 One of her constituents.
00:15:16.400 Is that what we're calling him now?
00:15:18.380 Yes, hey, did you hear the latest about Jeffrey Epstein?
00:15:21.980 Jeffrey Epstein, you're talking about that famous constituent?
00:15:25.060 Oh, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, Jeffrey, the constituent, Jeffrey Epstein.
00:15:28.940 Yes, yes, of course.
00:15:30.200 Okay, such hacks.
00:15:32.680 They ask Hakeem Jeffries, Democrat leader in the House, hey, is it weird that one of your members, you know, you're all talking about how this guy's like the devil incarnate, and he was mobbed up with Trump, and yet you guys are on a texting basis during congressional hearings?
00:15:48.380 Why should Americans trust you and House Democrats on the Jeffrey Epstein files when one of your own, Congresswoman Plaskett, was found to be texting with Jeffrey Epstein during a hearing, getting information from him, using that in her questioning during a congressional hearing, and at one point he tells her, good job.
00:16:07.060 This is a bipartisan effort to make sure that consistent with what the survivors have requested, that this full and complete transparency and every single predator who may be in those Justice Department files doesn't escape accountability.
00:16:26.040 Hey, what do you make about the major Epstein scandal within your party with a member of your own party during a congressional hearing?
00:16:32.080 Beep, boop, beep, boop, beep, boop, we're gonna bring justice, beep, beep, beep, it's so cynical, it's so tedious.
00:16:38.840 This is, this is, then we get, this is a Jasmine Crockett, the new leader of the Democrats, the cultural, spiritual, zeitgeist leader of the Democrats.
00:16:48.220 She comes out, she's got a real hit on Lee Zeldin, who was a former Republican congressman, ran for governor of New York, now he's the EPA administrator under Trump.
00:16:56.500 She says, Lee Zeldin took money from Jeffrey Epstein.
00:17:02.460 Folks who also took money from somebody named Jeffrey Epstein, as I had my team dig in very quickly, Mitt Romney, the NRCC, Lee Zeldin, George Bush, Wynn Redd, McCain-Palin, Rick Lazio.
00:17:21.760 So, I just wanna be clear, if this is the standard that we gonna make, just know we gonna expose it all, and just know that the FEC filings, they are available for everybody to review.
00:17:32.060 This is absolutely ridiculous, you just.
00:17:34.840 Okay, so you're all those names, and I don't know if he donated to Rick Lazio or whatever, all these other people, they haven't come out.
00:17:40.360 But at least Lee Zeldin has come out, and he said, yes, Jasmine Crockett, a physician named Dr. Jeffrey Epstein, who's a totally different person than the other Jeffrey Epstein, donated to a prior campaign of mine.
00:17:50.660 No freaking relation, you genius.
00:17:52.360 And he did the little clap back emojis.
00:17:54.200 So now we're in this phase, where it's just anybody, he got a donation from somebody named Jeffrey, hmm, coincidence?
00:18:03.160 Yes, but then there's a further irony, because the Democrat leader in the House of Representatives has just been revealed to have solicited a donation from the actual Jeffrey Epstein.
00:18:17.160 Colleagues' coordination with Epstein.
00:18:19.660 Another email shows Democrat fundraisers invited Epstein to an event or to meet privately with Hakeem Jeffries as part of their 2013 effort to win a majority.
00:18:30.660 So Hakeem Jeffries' campaign solicited money from Jeffrey Epstein.
00:18:36.600 That's what we found in the last document batch.
00:18:39.600 Oh, my goodness.
00:18:40.880 Oh, my goodness.
00:18:41.660 These poor Democrats.
00:18:43.360 You know, they probably should look into their own campaign finances before they lob an attack on Republicans and say you raised money from Jeffrey Epstein,
00:18:50.460 especially when the Republicans raised it from a different Jeffrey Epstein, they raised it from the right one.
00:18:55.440 Oh, my goodness.
00:18:56.560 It's all so tedious.
00:18:57.600 It's all so tedious.
00:18:59.220 This is it.
00:18:59.720 This is my frustration.
00:19:00.660 I know if in any way you oppose the mob and you say the Epstein story is a little bit of a distraction, they say you were on Epstein Island.
00:19:11.400 I can tell you I've never been on Jeffrey Epstein's Island, never flew on the airplane, never took a campaign donation from him.
00:19:20.360 I just am looking at the story and I say, okay, it's all hackery.
00:19:27.340 It's all cynical.
00:19:29.880 It's all opportunistic.
00:19:30.880 It's been a Democrat scandal.
00:19:31.500 It's been a Democrat scandal, then a Republican scandal, then a Democrat scandal.
00:19:34.960 It's all the way they're talking now about the victims is completely disingenuous.
00:19:39.760 The way that they're talking about revealing anyone who's been accused of any crime is legitimately contrary to standards of justice and persecution.
00:19:48.280 It's all so frivolous.
00:19:51.240 It's such hackery.
00:19:52.760 Tell me who Jeffrey Epstein was working for, if anyone.
00:19:57.920 Tell me the extent to which he was working with those people, be it the CIA, be it Mossad, be it Blofeld's criminal organization, Spectre.
00:20:09.280 I don't know, tell me who he was working for, to what extent he was working with those people, when their relationship began, and what it was for, or shut up, or shut up about it.
00:20:19.980 Because that's, as a matter of geopolitics, that's the only thing that matters, and that's really the only reason people care about it.
00:20:26.680 They want to know the degree of corruption in the U.S. government, who, if anyone, is pushing pressure valves in the U.S. government, controlling the U.S. government.
00:20:35.300 That's what they want to know.
00:20:36.660 So tell me that, or shut up about it.
00:20:39.280 But this constant Jerry Springer, Maury Povich sideshow is so preposterous.
00:20:46.800 It's such a waste of time.
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00:22:34.180 The political operation has to keep going on.
00:22:35.680 All of his operatives, all of his hacks need to keep getting their nice paycheck.
00:22:39.060 And you got to pay for it, because he's no longer getting an eight to one matching
00:22:43.780 funding from the city, meaning taxpayers are no longer funding his takeover of New York
00:22:50.100 against their will in many cases.
00:22:54.080 So he needs you to pay for it.
00:22:56.560 But don't worry, he looks forward to the day when he's not going to be asking you for more money.
00:23:01.740 I think that day is going to be February 31st, 20 never.
00:23:05.520 Get used to Zoran Mamdani asking you for money.
00:23:07.860 The thing I got to point out, though, about him, he's a very fine politician, isn't he?
00:23:13.080 He is a talented politician.
00:23:17.220 When he asks you for money, he's charming about it.
00:23:21.100 He's a talented politician.
00:23:23.580 The Muslims in New York, the radical Muslims, think this guy is Saeed Qutip.
00:23:27.700 They think he is Osama and al-Zarqawi rolled into one.
00:23:30.980 They think he is the real deal hardcore Muslim.
00:23:34.120 And the libs in New York think that he is just another vapid, could-be-tatted-up, could-be-septum-pierced,
00:23:42.400 millennial, hipster, vocal fry-talking lib.
00:23:46.000 And he's managed to convince both of these radically different constituencies of radically
00:23:51.260 different things.
00:23:51.860 He's a very good politician.
00:23:53.880 And now he's shaking down people for money to keep his political operation moving, to
00:24:01.320 shake down New Yorkers for a lot more money.
00:24:03.880 Okay, that was pretty fast.
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00:24:09.300 Mamdani has said something that is pretty crazy, though.
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00:24:14.600 threat to the rest of the United States.
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00:25:51.260 So, Ramam Dhani, not yet mayor, has come out.
00:25:53.440 He has said that New York City is a city of international law, and he is promising to arrest
00:26:00.500 Bibi Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel, if Netanyahu steps foot in New York.
00:26:05.500 Now, you and Mayor Eric Adams, your guys' team have met to discuss the transition.
00:26:12.340 You two haven't met yet.
00:26:13.680 When do you plan to meet?
00:26:14.760 He's currently abroad.
00:26:15.700 When he returns, we'll be having that meet.
00:26:17.520 Yeah.
00:26:17.880 So, he is in Israel.
00:26:18.960 He's leaving for Israel today.
00:26:20.140 He seems to be sort of needling you a little bit in these final days and certain policy
00:26:25.700 moves that he's been making.
00:26:27.360 But he also invited the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, to come to New York City
00:26:31.960 on your first day when you're being sworn in.
00:26:34.200 You know, you've said in the past that you want to arrest Netanyahu for alleged war crimes.
00:26:43.140 Do you plan to arrest Netanyahu on your first day?
00:26:46.080 So, my plan on my first day is to become sworn in as the next mayor of New York City and start
00:26:50.300 to deliver on an affordability agenda.
00:26:51.980 I've said time and again, this is a city of international law, a city that believes in
00:26:56.520 those values, and one that should honor the warrants that have been issued by the International
00:27:00.800 Criminal Court, be it for Vladimir Putin or Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:27:03.540 And I've also said that unlike Donald Trump, I'm not going to create my own set of laws.
00:27:07.700 And what that means is exhausting every single legal option.
00:27:10.660 Now, the mayor is free to travel.
00:27:12.720 Okay.
00:27:13.880 So, he says, yeah, I'd like to arrest him, but I know I can't get away with it.
00:27:18.900 And I know.
00:27:19.460 On the left, they all want to arrest Netanyahu right now.
00:27:22.760 On the right, there's a little bit of a split.
00:27:24.720 And the younger, more avant-garde, more online right, probably would like to arrest Netanyahu
00:27:29.100 too, or at least doesn't like Netanyahu.
00:27:30.560 There are other people on the right, a little bit older, a little less online maybe, who
00:27:36.520 like love Netanyahu, think he's the greatest guy ever.
00:27:39.200 And I think most people are somewhere in the middle and they have mixed views on Netanyahu.
00:27:43.940 Regardless of your view on Netanyahu, regardless of your view on the nation state of Israel,
00:27:49.740 regardless of, New York City is not a city of international law.
00:27:54.000 In as much as the international criminal court has no jurisdiction whatsoever in New York
00:28:01.440 City or Detroit or Atlanta or Chicago or Los Angeles or any other place in the United
00:28:07.480 States.
00:28:09.500 We just hear liberal politicians say these slogans and we think they therefore must have
00:28:14.920 some kind of meaning.
00:28:16.260 Oh, New York is a city of international law.
00:28:18.560 It's not.
00:28:19.260 I mean, it is in some conception of the international law, but like when we're talking about brass
00:28:24.300 tax, what this lady's talking about here, should Netanyahu be arrested on behalf of the international
00:28:29.820 criminal court?
00:28:31.080 No, Mamdani can't do that because the United States is not a party to the Rome statute,
00:28:37.180 meaning that the international criminal court has no jurisdiction here because we're not going
00:28:41.340 to let some freaking libs overseas come in and arrest our politicians.
00:28:45.860 Not going to happen.
00:28:47.580 Not going to happen.
00:28:48.480 We this this country in its character will let itself go down in flames before we ever
00:28:55.460 allowed that to happen.
00:28:56.400 And we sure as hell aren't going to let it happen when we're the global hegemon for the
00:29:01.360 happy moments that we remain the global hegemon.
00:29:03.440 Not going to happen.
00:29:05.620 Sorry.
00:29:06.240 So anyway, he knows that.
00:29:07.200 That's why he's trying to keep his cred with both the Muslims and the leftists who elected
00:29:12.540 him.
00:29:13.300 So, yeah, I want to.
00:29:14.260 I hate Netanyahu.
00:29:15.820 I'm real, man.
00:29:17.840 I'm cool.
00:29:18.320 I'm still from the streets, but I'm not going to because I don't have any power.
00:29:21.120 Also, I don't have any money.
00:29:21.860 Can you give me money?
00:29:22.600 I also can't do anything.
00:29:23.840 Can you please help me do something?
00:29:26.740 Now, turning to legitimate international law, we talk about to what degree there are transnational
00:29:33.420 authorities, we turn to the church, switching from the Muslims to the Catholics here.
00:29:39.540 Pope Leo has been under a lot of fire.
00:29:41.360 The Holy Father has been hit from the political right because they say, oh, he's a big lib,
00:29:49.600 just like his predecessor, Pope Francis.
00:29:51.380 And, you know, basically the attacks on Leo, political attacks from the right have kicked
00:29:58.680 up almost with the same vitriol that you had against Pope Francis, who in some ways did
00:30:05.340 make a lot of statements and choices that were puzzling, that did seem kind of liberal.
00:30:09.820 In some ways, even that was overstated because he also, for instance, said that gay marriage
00:30:14.320 is a machination of the father of lies that seeks to deceive and confuse the children of
00:30:17.500 God, and he compared abortion to hiring a hitman, and he said that God can't bless sin when
00:30:23.000 it comes to so-called same-sex marriage, and he said that transgenderism is fake and all
00:30:28.240 the rest of it.
00:30:28.940 But anyway, but Grant, Pope Leo, or sorry, Pope Francis did have a considerable amount of
00:30:34.720 liberalism to his pontificate.
00:30:37.580 Pope Leo is just being hammered from the right, and I feel largely unfairly because he showed
00:30:43.540 up to some pre-planned, you know, global warming event and blessed a block of ice.
00:30:48.620 Priests bless water, by the way.
00:30:51.400 Pope Leo was just asked, can you clarify your opinion as the American bishops have been hammering
00:30:58.440 the Trump administration over the immigration and deportation policy?
00:31:01.760 Can you clarify?
00:31:03.780 Do you want open borders?
00:31:05.120 You want mass migration?
00:31:06.280 You want, what can you, what is the Holy Father's position?
00:31:09.060 Here's what he had to say.
00:31:09.720 The U.S. bishops have made a very strong statement about the deportation and detention
00:31:16.160 of migrants.
00:31:17.320 What do you think of it?
00:31:18.220 And they kind of said that you've got their back.
00:31:20.840 Were you behind that?
00:31:22.660 Well, I've made some statements about that already.
00:31:25.320 I appreciate very much what the bishops have said.
00:31:28.660 I think it's a very important statement.
00:31:30.360 I would invite, especially all Catholics, but people of goodwill to listen carefully to what
00:31:36.380 they said.
00:31:36.800 I think we have to look for ways of treating people humanely, treating people with the dignity
00:31:43.400 that they have.
00:31:44.660 If people are in the United States illegally, there are ways to treat that.
00:31:48.960 There are courts.
00:31:49.860 There's a system of justice.
00:31:51.800 I think there are a lot of problems in the system.
00:31:54.360 No one has said that the United States should have open borders.
00:31:57.040 I think every country has a right to determine who and how and when people enter.
00:32:04.380 But when people are living good lives, and many of them for 10, 15, 20 years, to treat
00:32:10.460 them in a way that is extremely disrespectful, to say the least, and there's been some violence,
00:32:16.180 unfortunately.
00:32:17.340 I think that the bishops have been very clear in what they said.
00:32:22.020 And I think that I would just invite all people in the United States to listen to them.
00:32:26.260 Thank you.
00:32:26.560 What did he say?
00:32:29.240 Let's just, for people who didn't quite hear what he said or don't want to hear what he
00:32:33.880 said, he said, no one is suggesting the United States should have open borders.
00:32:38.860 Every country has the right to determine who comes in and when and how they do it.
00:32:43.900 And for people who have been here for, even people who have been here for a long time,
00:32:50.000 they should be treated respectfully and humanely.
00:32:53.660 But there are courts and systems of justice that will determine what happens to those people.
00:33:02.500 What are the courts determining, whether they stay or whether they go?
00:33:06.380 The Pope, who we're told is for open borders and mass migration and no deportations,
00:33:11.780 the Pope just came out and said, no one wants the United States.
00:33:14.920 No one suggests, plenty of people on the left have suggested, I think implying,
00:33:18.640 no reasonable person suggests that the U.S. should have open borders.
00:33:21.900 Every country has the right to determine who comes in, when they come in, how they come in.
00:33:26.160 And the U.S. has a system, like due process, to take people who are going to be deported and
00:33:32.080 put them through it.
00:33:32.620 And all he says is, you know, there shouldn't be too much disrespect, inhumanity, violence,
00:33:38.920 you know, because these videos going around of the deportations, a lot of them
00:33:41.680 AI, by the way, going around Facebook, that like your boomer aunt is sharing.
00:33:46.240 But it's not, they aren't real, they're made up.
00:33:50.080 All of these things, he says, that's it.
00:33:55.600 Enforce immigration law, but be, you know, be decent about it.
00:34:00.720 Does anyone disagree?
00:34:02.220 I am so, I am generally speaking, I'm a son of the church.
00:34:08.580 I defer in obedience to the Holy Father.
00:34:11.700 I'm not slavishly, you know, in every single matter.
00:34:14.660 I don't think the Pope is infallible in most matters, obviously.
00:34:17.960 But I try to be respectful.
00:34:20.500 And Pope respecters, Pope obedient sons of the church, totally vindicated here.
00:34:28.760 Totally vindicated the people who have a spirit of rebellion, who have a reviling spirit, who
00:34:36.460 have, frankly, I would say a liberal spirit in and out of the church, who just, their
00:34:41.060 knee-jerk reaction is to just whine and complain about the Pope.
00:34:45.340 Totally, totally knocked out here, huh?
00:34:48.080 Totally not.
00:34:48.700 This is good stuff.
00:34:49.920 This is great.
00:34:50.580 The Leo posting will continue until the understanding improves.
00:34:53.780 This is good stuff.
00:34:54.500 Now, speaking of Christianity, a very prominent, kind of right-wing, trans-identifying YouTuber
00:35:01.760 is apparently converting to Christianity.
00:35:04.900 But there is a big problem right now in his understanding.
00:35:09.580 Maybe more than one.
00:35:10.980 We'll get to it, though.
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00:37:15.840 My favorite comment yesterday, Lost in the West, says,
00:37:17.920 Every day, my favorite podcasters tell me about the horrible things happening across
00:37:21.200 the globe.
00:37:21.620 And then these very smart and accomplished people ask, why are people choosing not to
00:37:24.720 have children?
00:37:25.360 No, actually, I'm not asking that.
00:37:28.120 I told you why people are not having children.
00:37:30.080 The chief predictor of having children or not having children is religiosity.
00:37:35.680 It's not material resources.
00:37:38.260 That's part of it, sure.
00:37:39.800 Sure, but it's not really.
00:37:43.160 Programs to improve people's material conditions do not, by and large, improve birth rates.
00:37:52.300 We can try them.
00:37:53.340 I'm kind of for a spaghetti at the wall approach, but it doesn't really work.
00:37:57.440 The notion that if you just make IVF a lot cheaper, IVF, which is an immoral practice,
00:38:03.100 but even put that aside for a second.
00:38:04.460 If you just make IVF a lot cheaper, all sorts of fertility treatments, that will improve
00:38:07.820 birth rates, not really borne out in the data.
00:38:12.680 Getting people to get married might have some effect, but that's tied in with the ultimate
00:38:16.880 question.
00:38:17.240 The only thing that reliably predicts people having children is religiosity.
00:38:22.340 And what predicts people not having children is irreligion.
00:38:26.280 And this is to your point when you say, well, terrible things are happening in the world.
00:38:29.940 If you have a religious sense, you know that terrible things always happen in the world.
00:38:35.700 You know that.
00:38:37.100 And so it doesn't deter you.
00:38:39.300 If you're a secularist, a materialist, an atheist, then bad things happening can discourage
00:38:45.760 you and lead you to despair.
00:38:47.100 Yeah, certainly.
00:38:48.680 But that's why it all ties to, I'm not, listen, we're not confused.
00:38:51.880 It's the lack of religion, which is why the government needs to promote religion as an
00:38:56.180 existential matter for the political order.
00:38:57.720 Okay, speaking of Christianity, Blair White.
00:39:02.660 You remember Blair White?
00:39:04.180 Blair is a guy, but he sort of identifies as a girl, even though he admits he's not really
00:39:09.200 a woman.
00:39:10.140 But he did the procedure, he did the surgery, so he looks more like a woman.
00:39:13.700 He's one of the more persuasive transitions that there is.
00:39:17.600 But he's a guy, and he admits that he's a guy.
00:39:20.340 He now is saying he's converted to Christianity.
00:39:24.780 But he's not ready to detransition.
00:39:29.620 Here's why.
00:39:30.100 Do you ever consider detransitioning so you can be as God intended you to be?
00:39:35.940 So that's an excellent question, and I'm glad you made it because I would have maybe
00:39:39.600 forgot to talk about that.
00:39:40.940 There are people, obviously, when you look at people who are ex-gay Christians, who the
00:39:45.620 way that they feel compelled to go forward when they find God or meet God is they're living
00:39:52.000 a lifestyle like they're not gay anymore.
00:39:53.700 They used to be gay, and they're not.
00:39:54.880 They're refraining from being gay.
00:39:55.860 I've seen a couple of detransitioners who found God and that helped them in that, and
00:40:00.160 then they detransitioned and all of that.
00:40:03.020 And so all of that is valid.
00:40:04.640 If that's how you feel called or what you're supposed to do, that's your life, right?
00:40:10.600 But this is mine.
00:40:11.540 And I have not felt any calling or compulsion to detransition or radically change how I look
00:40:21.700 or any of that because I realized that, again, to me, the story of Jesus is that he transcended
00:40:27.040 flesh.
00:40:27.620 And what is all of this if not just how I've altered my flesh?
00:40:31.360 It's just external.
00:40:33.660 It's superficial.
00:40:34.440 And if it's about being a man as God intended, y'all know I am the last person to ever deny
00:40:40.300 that that is the way I was born, that I am still male, that I am still, by definition,
00:40:45.940 a man.
00:40:46.380 I don't care.
00:40:47.420 Yeah, I really like Blair.
00:40:49.260 I'm glad to see.
00:40:50.440 I think he's pointed in the right direction.
00:40:53.380 I think he's asking the right questions.
00:40:55.700 I think he wants to go down the right path.
00:40:57.580 There's a key error, a key stumbling block that he just expressed in that video.
00:41:05.160 He said, you know, to me, the entire story of Jesus is how he transcended flesh.
00:41:11.720 But of course, the opposite is true.
00:41:14.740 The entire story of Jesus is the story of the cosmos because he's the divine logic of the
00:41:18.960 universe.
00:41:19.220 But the entire gospel story, the pivot on which history turns, is that Jesus became flesh
00:41:28.580 at incarnatus est, de Spiritus Sancto, ex Maria Virginae, et homo factus est.
00:41:35.620 That's the whole thing.
00:41:37.780 When we read in the mass, the last gospel, the gospel of John, first lines of John, among
00:41:44.140 the first lines of John, and the word became flesh.
00:41:49.220 That's the story, the incarnation, the central fact of history.
00:41:55.120 And then the word made flesh who takes on full human nature is crucified and conquers death
00:42:03.520 on the cross and is resurrected on the third day and ascends bodily into heaven.
00:42:12.080 The flesh is so important that the early Christian writer Tertullian says that the flesh is the
00:42:19.140 hinge of salvation.
00:42:22.120 That's the key.
00:42:23.660 So Blair is saying, well, I believe in God.
00:42:25.560 I'm persuaded by Christianity.
00:42:27.460 I'm persuaded by this person of Jesus.
00:42:29.380 I want to follow Jesus.
00:42:31.100 But it is totally understandable.
00:42:33.600 He's still caught up, and he's obviously especially caught up, in the ideologies that dominate
00:42:39.080 in our age, these confusing kind of Gnostic heresies.
00:42:42.900 And that pertains to Christianity, too, in as much as shortly after Christianity, after
00:42:49.860 the advent and the incarnation and the crucifixion and the resurrection, there are these Gnostic
00:42:55.640 cults that crop up that say, no, actually, the flesh doesn't really matter.
00:42:58.880 No, actually, ignore what Jesus actually said and did.
00:43:02.000 No, no.
00:43:02.500 No, it's, look, Christ, he's just like another version of the same pagan cults that we've all
00:43:09.020 had for all of history, and the flesh doesn't matter, and it's all, we transcend the flesh
00:43:13.240 and whatever, man.
00:43:14.760 No, no, no.
00:43:16.780 Christianity is irreducibly historical.
00:43:21.040 Christianity is irreducibly physical in that God himself is embodied.
00:43:27.760 And the faith that he, the church that he leaves to us is physical, and he picks real
00:43:34.980 men, the apostles, and they pick real successors, and he institutes real sacraments, and he said
00:43:41.460 the flesh of the Son of Man is real food, and if you don't eat the flesh of the Son of Man
00:43:45.180 and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
00:43:47.460 It's the flesh.
00:43:48.400 It's the flesh.
00:43:49.780 That's the key.
00:43:51.280 So anyway, I don't say any of this to own Blair White with facts and logic, far from
00:43:56.900 it, totally the opposite.
00:43:58.040 I'm so delighted to see that he is on this path, and I think if he can get over that hump,
00:44:04.360 that obstacle that has been placed in his way by our extremely Gnostic, Pomo kind of
00:44:10.140 culture, and see, no, actually the opposite is true in Christianity, I think that will help
00:44:16.360 him to at least begin to make sense of one of the big obstacles in his life.
00:44:20.580 Okay, speaking of girls, Jonathan Haidt, you know Jonathan Haidt, he's the social scientist,
00:44:27.960 very popular writer, wrote The Coddling of the American Mind.
00:44:30.320 He just came out on the free press, Barry Weiss's outlet, and observed that liberal girls
00:44:37.020 are more likely than conservative girls to be depressed, and conservative kids, it turns
00:44:44.200 out, are more grounded.
00:44:47.960 Girls spend a lot more time on social media than boys.
00:44:51.120 Liberal girls spend a lot more time than conservative girls.
00:44:54.660 That didn't used to be the case, but as we get into the 2010s, when everything gets so
00:44:58.660 politicized, we get into the Great Awakening, we get into the polarization, the illiberalism
00:45:03.840 that you and I have really been writing about and talking about for a long time.
00:45:09.020 As we get into the era, the feeds of the liberal girls gets much more taken over by how terrible
00:45:14.680 the world is, everything's sexist, you're not going to get ahead, and this is like the
00:45:17.680 greatest era of female progress that we're going through, but liberal girls are sort of
00:45:22.480 caught in a set of disempowering ideas, and my previous book, The Coddling of the American
00:45:26.460 Mind with Greg Lukianoff was exactly about that.
00:45:28.940 If you graph out liberal boys and liberal girls and conservative boys and conservative girls,
00:45:32.340 it's the liberal girls who really rise first and fastest on depression, and the conservative
00:45:37.360 boys are not up that much, so everyone is worse off, but being conservative seems to
00:45:43.460 root you, you're not as easily pushed into this crazy world, being in a religious family
00:45:48.400 seems to root you, and those two things seem to be protective.
00:45:53.020 I love Jonathan Haidt, because Jonathan Haidt is a liberal, and so he has all these liberal
00:46:00.740 priors that he comes to, but then he arrives at conservative conclusions, because he's an
00:46:07.240 honest guy, and he's trying to follow the truth, and then he always seems kind of surprised by
00:46:11.180 those conclusions. So he's just like, you know, I mean, look, we all know we live through the
00:46:16.020 greatest period of female progress ever. We all know feminism's totally awesome, right? Like,
00:46:19.920 we all know liberalism is really, really great, and it hasn't just made everyone miserable.
00:46:23.340 It's really awesome, but here's this weird thing. All the conservative girls are way happier
00:46:28.460 than the liberal girls. Isn't that weird? And actually, everyone's getting kind of unhappy,
00:46:32.760 but the conservatives are more resilient than the liberals. I love Jonathan Haidt for that,
00:46:38.260 because it's this delightful sort of surprise. He's surprised by joy, surprised by conservatism.
00:46:44.840 And then it's the same reason I love social science, to some degree at least, is in our dumb
00:46:51.560 scientific age, we need these studies. We need all the studies to be published in all the journals
00:47:00.360 you know, to come out and tell us things that we know by common sense that we all know.
00:47:06.740 Yeah, radical people, like libs, like big libs, who have had their brows furrowed for all of history.
00:47:17.440 Big libs who are just like always angry and screechy. It turns out they're unhappy. They're less happy
00:47:24.540 than the conservatives. The conservatives, the people who basically get along in the world and
00:47:32.360 just want to improve it in as much as we can improve it. It turns out they are happier
00:47:36.560 than the libs. Wow. Stop the presses. One actual, a little more precise conclusion from Jonathan Haidt's
00:47:45.000 comments, though. The two sides are not equivalent. The two sides are not equivalent. It's a fallen world,
00:47:51.640 so everyone's got problems. But all things else being equal, the left is really, really messed up.
00:47:58.660 And the right is normal. That's it. That's the conclusion to draw. Everyone's a little messed
00:48:04.900 up because it's a fallen world. We're not in the Garden of Eden. But the left is like really,
00:48:09.340 really, really messed up. And they have a ton of problems owing to their bad habits and their vices
00:48:15.880 and their misperception of the world. And the right, by and large, is normal. And they, by and large,
00:48:23.660 cultivate good habits that make them more resilient to bad social trends, to Tumblr,
00:48:29.220 as Jonathan Haidt's pointing out, to whatever, to everything. And religious people on the right
00:48:35.040 are like the most normal. And it's not just, well, you know, chocolate and vanilla ice cream. Some like
00:48:42.040 one, some like the other. Oh, you're on the left, I'm on the right. No, no, no. The left, leftism is
00:48:47.920 evidence of a major problem in thinking and behavior and spirit. It just is. And it's worse
00:48:57.980 to be on the left than to be on the right. And they're not, it's not just chocolate and vanilla.
00:49:02.460 And we should help our brethren. We should pray for them. We should try to pull them over here.
00:49:05.940 Because the, the more on the left you are, the worse your life is going to be. Okay. Now,
00:49:13.820 you know, there's a man who used to, would have called himself on the left. And he came over to
00:49:17.180 the right. Some, it was like 150 years. I think it was actually during the French Revolution. That
00:49:21.100 would be Mr. Andrew Klavan, who's coming on this show during the member segmentum. The rest of the
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