Ep. 188 - Common Sense Gunn Control
Summary
Should Hollywood director James Gunn have been fired for making pedophile jokes 10 years ago? Samuel L. Jackson, William Shakespeare, and the Lord Your God weigh in. Then Alan Dershowitz joins to discuss whether Democrats will or even can impeach President Trump.
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Should Hollywood director James Gunn have been fired for making pedophile jokes 10 years ago?
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Samuel L. Jackson, William Shakespeare, and the Lord your God weigh in.
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Then Alan Dershowitz joins to discuss whether Democrats will or even can impeach President Trump.
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So you saw James Gunn, who's the director for Guardians of the Galaxy.
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He was about to inherit the whole Marvel universe.
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You know, he's a big up-and-comer in Hollywood, major player.
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He just got killed, got fired from Disney because he made pedophile jokes 10 years ago.
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And some people are saying maybe it's more than jokes.
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You know, he says negative things about Trump, and he's an anti-Trumper,
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For reaction, though, because now this is hitting everybody.
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Trevor Noah's getting hit for racial tweets that he sent out years and years ago.
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There were all these, Michael Ian Black said some weird pedophile tweets.
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Sarah Silverman made some weird pedophile tweets.
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Patton Oswalt made some weird pedophile tweets.
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For reaction, we cut now to every single person in Hollywood.
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We got to definitely write a song about how we do not diddle kids.
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There is no quicker way for people to think that you are diddling kids than by writing a song about it.
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I wouldn't do it with anybody younger than my daughter.
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I don't know if that's going to convince anybody.
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Should these people who made jokes 10 years ago, should they be liable for those things now?
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You know, it couldn't have happened to a better guy.
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James Gunn is the first one on the line to say, kill people, not literally, figuratively, kill their careers, make them lose their jobs, cancel their shows because I disagree with them politically.
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He said, here are a couple of tweets from him, not the pedophile tweets, but the anti-free speech ones.
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I wish some of these so-called defenders of liberty would start to understand what freedom of speech is and isn't.
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It doesn't mean ABC needs to continue funding her TV show if her words are considered abhorrent.
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But, you know, be careful when you throw stones.
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He said, I hope Hulu stops advertising on the Laura Ingraham show so I can watch it.
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Online bullying and shaming of teenagers should not be supported by Hulu.
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And he said the same thing about Laura Ingraham.
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I'm really looking forward to season two of Handmaid's Tale, so I hope Hulu stops advertising on the Aunt Lydia show.
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I mean on the Laura Ingraham show so I can watch it.
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Online bullying and shaming of teenagers should not be supported by Hulu.
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So James Gunn, this guy is saying, fire Laura Ingraham, fire Roseanne.
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They should all lose their shows for, in Roseanne's case, a joke they made,
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and in Laura Ingraham's case just because he disagrees with her politics.
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This made me realize across a whole broad array of spectrum, not just Hollywood, but in foreign affairs, in politics, to the news media,
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It made me think of Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction.
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Here's Samuel L. Jackson explaining Donald Trump.
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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.
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Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and goodwill, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.
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And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.
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And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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You know, it's funny because Samuel L. Jackson in that movie says, I'm quoting Ezekiel 25, 17, I think.
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He's got a lot of other stuff in there that isn't in Ezekiel 25, 17.
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And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes.
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And they shall know that I am the Lord when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.
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This is, I'm not saying Donald Trump is laying his vengeance.
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I'm not saying he's, I'm saying he is the vengeance.
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He wrecks the double standards in all of these people.
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Because, you know, when I saw the James Gunn thing, my first reaction is, this is an ugly culture.
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This is a really ugly culture where we're just gunning, pun very much intended,
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gunning to destroy people for things they said 10 years ago.
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So should people lose their careers because of jokes?
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Even bad jokes, even crass jokes, even unfunny jokes that they made 10 years ago?
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But if you're going to dish it, you better be able to take it.
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And James Gunn, those are the rules he wants to play by.
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We didn't make the rules that you lose your job because you make a bad joke or because you made a bad joke 10 years ago.
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That was James Gunn begging for it over and over and over.
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What you deal out, you're going to have to receive back in return.
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And President Trump is the one to give it to you.
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Do we like the politics of personal destruction?
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No, that phrase, by the way, coined because of the things that Hillary Clinton was saying about her husband's accusers.
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She says they're trailer trash, they're this, they're that.
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But if they're going to dish it out, we're not going to unilaterally disarm.
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We're not going to lie down and let them destroy the culture, destroy our politics, destroy our media.
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If they're going to claim a scalp, we're going to claim a scalp.
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Now, it's a good thing in this context because they're dishing it out.
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But it would be much better if we lived in a culture where you could just tell jokes and you didn't have to deal with this.
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If we lived in a culture where the president didn't have to go out and have personal invective against people or say these things or be, you know, loud mouthed or be aroused the public passion.
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I don't think the president should be arousing the public passions, but if the left is going to do it, we have to do it too.
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If Barack Obama is going to go out there and rub our nose in every cultural victory that he has, if he's going to rewrite the Constitution and then paint the White House in rainbow colors, then absolutely Donald Trump should go out there and rub their nose in it too.
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That is the vengeance that they have asked for.
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And I don't want to live in a world of just desserts, but if they're going to have it, we have to answer that.
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And once they decide to back down a little bit on the left, then we can back down too.
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You know, it's just Donald Trump is just the double standard smasher.
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In Iran, the president of Iran, Rouhani, he said, you know, he's very upset that President Trump is ripping up that awful nuclear deal that Obama negotiated.
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And so he said, you know, peace with Iran is a wonderful, terrific peace.
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And war with Iran is war unlike anything you've ever seen.
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They're always saber rattling, saying awful things about America.
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Now, do I want the president to have to say these things?
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Do I want the president to have to scream like this?
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But I'm not going to live in a world where the United States just takes it,
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where these tinpot dictators in Iran or wherever, these mullahs, start saying crazy things to us
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he's just saying that to get the hardliners off his back.
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He's really, oh, he's just, look, he's not really making a threat.
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He's really just trying to get the pressure off of him from the hardliners.
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Yeah, okay, well, maybe he should have tried to get the pressure off a different way then, huh?
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That is not acceptable behavior in the international community.
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The FISA application has been revealed in some way.
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But Judicial Watch got this FISA application to find out
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if Barack Obama's administrative agencies were spying on the Trump campaign.
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We didn't use the Democrat-funded Steele dossier to spy on Carter Page.
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The Steele dossier was ordered and funded by Democrats.
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These people that we said, you can't criticize the FBI.
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You can't criticize James Comey or Bob Mueller or John Brennan.
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No, we need to build up our intelligence agencies, our administrative agencies.
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And if they're going to be corrupted, if they're going to act as partisan hacks that are spying
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on a presidential campaign, then we're going to have to criticize them, aren't we?
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It would be better to live in a world where we didn't have to do that, but we're not going
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Donald Trump is not going to allow that to happen.
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You know, the FBI said on four separate occasions that the Steele dossier was not the source
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for that Isikoff article, one of the articles that was also used to spy on Carter Page.
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How long is this Mueller investigation going on for?
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Why is Bob Mueller the most important man in Washington?
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We can't tolerate these double standards anymore.
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You know, actually, that whole bit from Ezekiel 25 is important.
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Ezekiel 25 reads, this is what the sovereign Lord says.
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Because the Philistines acted in vengeance and took revenge with malice in their hearts
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and with ancient hostility sought to destroy Judah, therefore, this is what the
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I am about to stretch out my hand against the Philistines and I will wipe out the
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Karathites and destroy those remaining along the coast.
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I will carry out great vengeance on them and punish them in my wrath.
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Then they will know that I am the Lord when I take vengeance on them.
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The reason he's taking vengeance on them, the reason there is a vengeance of the Lord,
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is because the Philistines acted in vengeance and took revenge.
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If they're going to do it, they're going to get back what they have.
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It would be much better to live in a world where we didn't have to do that, where you
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didn't have your career ruined for saying a choke 10 years ago, where you didn't have
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to have the president screaming, you know, apparently like a crazy person, but maybe that
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crazy person is the last sane guy in the world.
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It would be much better to live in a world of mercy and grace.
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It reminds me of this line from the Merchant of Venice that Portia says to Shylock.
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And I'm probably, now the, what was that, the Southern Poverty Law Centers, now they're
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going to say, here's evidence that Knowles is a racist.
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Portia to Shylock says, though justice be thy plea, consider this, that in the course
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We do pray for mercy, and that same prayer doth teach us all to render the deeds of mercy.
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I've spoke thus much to mitigate the justice of thy plea.
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Which, if thou follow, the strict court of Venice must needs give sentence against the
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In the course of justice, none of us should see salvation.
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So if the left is going to keep this up and say, we're getting him, we're going to get
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Ingram, we're going to get this show canceled, we're going to get this guy fired, then we're
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And I hope that the left gets the message here.
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Speaking of this exact question, we've got to bring on Alan Dershowitz to see if the
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left is going to learn their lesson, or if they're going to go ahead and try to impeach
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If they're going to try to create some totally bogus, just political story, anti-legal case
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He is the world-renowned scholar of con law and criminal law.
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He is the author of The Case Against Impeaching Trump.
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Alan Dershowitz, Professor Dershowitz, at age 28, became the youngest law professor in
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But now he's getting more flack for defending President Trump.
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Defending President Trump, absolutely unacceptable.
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There's no greater expert in the country on this question than him.
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Will the Democrats learn their lessons, the vengeance of the Lord?
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Or are they going to try to impeach President Trump?
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Professor Dershowitz, thank you so much for being here.
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So you've done the unthinkable thing in our current political climate, which is you are
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defending President Trump against the ubiquitous calls on the political left for impeachment.
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I notice there are many Democrats who are, you know, it'll be in their Twitter bio.
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And Maxine Waters is saying that impeachment is whatever Congress says it is, that there's
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What is the case against impeachment for those who have not yet read the book?
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Well, first, you have to read the book because it lays it out.
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In readable detail, it's really a relatively simple argument.
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That is, the framers of our Constitution considered making the criteria for impeachment, mal-administration
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in office, or other European or British criteria for removing a president.
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And they said in order to remove a president, particularly, you need to have evidence of
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treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
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You need to have a trial in the Senate that has to be a conviction, and a conviction must
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If any of those criteria fail, you cannot remove a president.
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And just like you can't change the two-thirds requirement, you also can't change the requirement
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of a conviction for treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
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You can't just make it up, even if you don't like the president.
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I made the same argument, by the way, when Bill Clinton was being impeached.
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I've made the same argument when Richard Nixon was being impeached.
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I'll make the same argument when Bernie Sanders gets elected president and he gets impeached.
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In fact, you know, I'm so determined to make that point that I have the publisher come up
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with a mock cover for my book, and it's called The Case Against Impeaching Hillary Clinton,
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because that's the book I would have written had Hillary Clinton been elected president.
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It would have been exactly the same book, just with the title.
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And inside, I would have been talking about how you can't prosecute her for obstruction
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of justice for the emails and that there was no crime.
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But they'd be building statues to me on Martha's Vineyard and other liberal enclaves if I were
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But making the identical case, word for word case, for a president I didn't vote for, I
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opposed, I campaigned against, has caused me to literally lose friends and people just
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They won't even get involved in a conversation.
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They remind me of college kids and college professors who want safe spaces, trigger warnings.
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Please don't tell me anything I don't want to hear.
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That's the level of discourse we've gotten to in America today.
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It is really quite sad when you see these members of Congress or even senators saying
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They think it's just a political matter and they say it pretty explicitly.
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Maxine Waters said that impeachment is whatever I say it is.
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And I think people are losing sight that there is a crime component here.
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You point out in the book that, and the Constitution points this out too, that when the president is
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being tried, the chief justice of the Supreme Court has a role.
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I mean, what does that say about the role of crime, the role of the judiciary here and reigning
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in Congress from just doing whatever it wants and throwing out a president that it doesn't
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Well, Hamilton explained that in the Federalist Papers.
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He said there were some who wanted to have the Supreme Court preside over the trial of a president.
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And the compromise, he used that term compromise, was to have the chief justice preside.
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Now, the chief justice doesn't preside just because he looks pretty in robes or to lend dignity to the
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He presides because he is the chief judicial officer of the United States and he has a role to play.
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And if I were the president's lawyer and he were impeached, and I am not, but if I were,
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the first motion I would make, if he were impeached for something that wasn't a constitutionally
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specified crime, I'd make a motion to the chief justice to dismiss the impeachment.
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The same way, he'd make a motion to dismiss an indictment in front of a judge before there
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Even if the president commits impeachable offenses, Congress doesn't have to remove him.
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If political considerations lead to less than two thirds of the vote to remove him, he stays
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in office, but he has to be impeached only and removed only on the basis of these specified
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So it's a necessary but not sufficient condition.
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Politics only comes into play once there's evidence, enough evidence to convince two thirds
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of the Senate that he has committed an impeachable crime.
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Right, and it's interesting because you're bringing out all of the legal aspect, the constitutional
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and the legal aspects, and all people are talking about is the political aspect of this.
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You're getting much more flack for defending the president against impeachment than you got
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for defending O.J. Simpson in his murder trial.
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And you bring up some interesting questions in this book, which is that, for instance,
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a removal from office is not enforced, is not self-enforcing.
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So what happens, you know, what happens if the president says, I don't want to be removed
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Impeachment has been on our books for 225 years.
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I know of no academic who has ever raised this question before, none.
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Let's assume the Senate were to remove, order him removed by a two-thirds vote for mal-administration
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Each can interpret the Constitution as they believe is justified.
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If the Senate interprets the Constitution as saying we can remove a president for a non-crime
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and the president says, no, that's not my interpretation, my legal counsel, my advisors all tell me
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you need a crime, the president says, this is an unconstitutional act of removal.
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At that point, what is the Congress going to do?
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No, bring it to the United States Supreme Court.
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When we have a conflict between constitutional interpretation by the president and by the Congress,
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as we did in Marlboro v. Madison, the case goes to the United States Supreme Court.
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Two justices have already opined that they very well might have jurisdiction to consider
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But again, I don't know of a single academic who has said that the Supreme Court has a role
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So I'm out there all along, but I'm very comfortable out there because I think I'm right.
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If you disagree with me, read the book, write your own book, write an article, write a book
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review, argue with me, defeat me in the court of public opinion.
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But don't refuse to engage with me, even if I'm wrong.
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I've laid out an important constitutional argument that nobody laid out before.
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And that argument has to be taken into account, especially if we try to remove a duly elected
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Of course, because you might win in the short term, but you'll certainly that creates awful
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And it's so funny that people on the left are disparaging you for this as though you've
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All of a sudden, Alan Dershowitz is some conservative Republican hack or something.
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But you're the one who has remained consistent here.
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It is partisans, I suppose, on both sides who keep shifting their arguments.
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But I wonder in this climate, especially you see it in particular on campuses, but you see
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People seem to have very little respect for reason, for civil arguments, for engaging with
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the other side, very little interest in referencing the law or the Constitution.
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Does that spell a sort of demise or doom for our constitutional Republican, for our political
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Or is this just more of the same partisan arguments that we see again and again over the years?
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In my own lifetime, we saw a liberal president of the United States detain 110,000 Japanese
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All the liberal justices of the Supreme Court, Douglas and Black and others.
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Let's draft political dissenters to stop them from dissenting.
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In every generation, I've seen efforts to limit civil liberties.
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And what's different about this one is with Trump, you have to pick sides.
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You either must hate him and think he is the worst president in the history of the country,
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And even if you hate him and think he's the worst, you have to defend his civil liberties
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because his civil liberties are our civil liberties.
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If you can deny a president constitutional rights, you can deny anybody constitutional rights.
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And all the arguments I'm making are civil libertarian and liberal arguments.
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And again, if Hillary Clinton were the one who was being impeached or prosecuted,
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all the liberals would be making the same exact arguments.
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But because I make them at a time when Trump is the president, I'm regarded as a pariah of the left.
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And also, what's even more disturbing is I'm a hero of the right.
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I'm not somebody who is making this argument only because it's Trump.
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I'm making this argument because I support the Constitution of the United States.
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Look, it's clear when I, you know, I'm a fervent Boston Red Sox fan.
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And some of my best friends are New York Yankee fans.
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Either the Red Sox are the greatest team in baseball, they are, or the Yankees are the greatest team.
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You know, as you were pointing out that you've now become an unwitting and unlikely hero to the
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political right, I was trying to figure out in my studio where I was going to put up the
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But then you made that comment about the Red Sox and the Yankees.
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And I've got to scrap the plans for it altogether, unfortunately.
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Now, there is one aspect where nuance has been coming in on the pro-impeachment side here,
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though, which is that people who are calling for the impeachment of Trump are saying that
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he colluded with Russia and this is somehow sufficient to impeach him.
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Does collusion rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors?
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It doesn't even rise to the level of low crimes and misdemeanors.
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Collusion is not a crime, except if business people collude together to violate the antitrust
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In my book, The Case Against Impeaching Trump, I give the most extreme hypothetical.
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During the campaign, candidate Trump calls up President Putin and says, hey, Vlad, do
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If you send me the dirt on Hillary Clinton and help me get elected president, it's much
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more likely that we'll get rid of these sanctions because I don't like these sanctions.
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They say to people, give me money, give me support.
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Vote for me because I'm going to help your agenda.
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Now, people say it's different because it's a foreign government.
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But what the foreign government was doing here was giving, under my hypothetical, information.
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Information is different from money because it's protected by the First Amendment.
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For the same reason the New York Times, the Washington Post, was able to publish the Pentagon
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papers, Snowden, Manning, all of those stolen materials, is once it's stolen, the First Amendment
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protects its publication or its use by a candidate.
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Now, if candidate Trump said to the Republican, to Putin, please hack the Democratic National
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Committee, that would be a crime because then he is urging them to do a crime.
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But if he says, if you've already hacked them and you have the information, give it to me.
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That's no more a crime than what the Washington Post and the New York Times did.
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And before I let you go, I've already taken up a lot of your time.
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I do want to ask about the procedural aspects of all of this.
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I think at this point it's been going on since 1857 or so.
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And yet you hear from partisans on both sides that if one is to criticize the Mueller team
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It's an attack on the American administrative agencies or whatever, the investigative services,
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Is it kosher, to put it bluntly, is it kosher to criticize or question Mueller?
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Well, it's so interesting because I grew up as a liberal.
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What did liberals do when the Bay of Pigs happened?
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What happened in the run-up to the Iran-Iraq war?
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I spent most of my career as a young man criticizing J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI.
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Conservatives always came to the defense and said, we believe in law and order.
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And liberals said, we believe in civil liberties.
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So the idea that liberals are now the ones saying, oh my God, you can't ever question law enforcement,
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My God, that's what liberals and civil libertarians have always been doing.
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But now that Mueller is the guy who might be able to get Trump, he is no longer an appropriate subject of criticism.
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It hadn't occurred to me until you put it that way, that for years at this point, even in recent memory,
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That's one of the lines in this campaign, that we need to demilitarize the police, take away power from the police.
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And then in the same breath, they're saying, if you criticize law enforcement at the federal level,
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or with regard to President Trump, you're some sort of anti-American traitor.
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If you're going to be a civil libertarian and a supporter of free speech,
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you have to be a supporter of those concepts, no matter who the beneficiary is and who the loser is.
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When I was a kid in college, I defended the right of communists to speak at Brooklyn College.
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I was brought up in a very anti-communist household, but I supported the right of communists to speak and to run for office.
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So I, early on in my life, and then I supported the rights of Nazis to march through Skokie.
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She said, whose side are you on, the Nazis or the Jews?
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And I said, Mom, on the side of civil liberties, she said, don't give me that.
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You've got to pick sides, the Jews or the Nazis.
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But the people who are criticizing me today are, many of them lawyers.
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They have to know that if you believe in civil liberties, you will sometimes end up defending people you don't like.
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It was H.L. Mencken who said, first they go after the SOBs, and they establish the precedent on them,
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That's why I'm going to continue to defend the rights of every American, whether it was David Duke or whether it's some communist on the left or whether it's President Trump or President Clinton or Bernie Sanders or anybody else.
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I don't think you can draw lines depending on whose side people are on.
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I always ask myself, have I passed the shoe on the other foot test?
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If the shoe were on the other foot, if it were Gore versus Bush rather than Bush versus Gore, would the Supreme Court have come out the other way?
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But if I made the same criticism today of law enforcement and judicial, I'd be a pilloried.
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My last question before I let you go, you know, you obviously have an expertise and preeminent expertise on these matters as a matter of law and constitution.
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As a matter of politics, if you were a gambling man, do you think that the partisans, the pro-impeachment crowd, will impeach Trump if given the opportunity?
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Or do you think that your sound arguments and cooler heads will prevail?
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Well, I think there'll be many in the Democratic Party who will want to impeach Trump.
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Already some people are running on that platform.
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A real jerk who is a professor at the University of Minnesota named Painter, who's running on an impeach Trump campaign.
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There are others who are running on an impeach Trump campaign.
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It will hurt the Democrats if they do that, just like it hurt the Republicans when they impeach Clinton.
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It's easy to get an impeachment if you control the House, but very hard to get a removal.
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So my prediction here is unless there's new evidence that comes out, material we're not aware of, I don't think President Trump will be removed from office other than through elections.
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And might very well be removed from office in the 2020 election.
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And that's something that people who are opposed to him should be focusing on, not impeachment.
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The Case Against Impeaching Trump by Alan Dershowitz.
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I think you've written about 750,000 other books, which are also quite good.
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It is just finally a cool, logical arguments that simply are not really getting airtime as people are blowing a bunch of partisan hot air.
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Professor Dershowitz, thank you so much for being here.
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He's the last liberal standing in the world, I think.
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We've got to say goodbye to Facebook and YouTube.
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It's $10 a month, $100 for an annual membership.
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You get me, you get the Andrew Klavan show, you get the Ben Shapiro show, you get to ask questions in the mailbag, you get to ask questions, which, by the way, is coming up Thursday.
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I think I'm coming up next, so get ready for that.
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You need the, this is the James Gunn edition, obviously.
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We've got a little common sense gun control here.
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Look, I don't, look, I don't, I don't want to, I'm not trying to destroy James Gunn.
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I just, I'm not trying to take away James Gunn's career.
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I just want some common sense gun control and to collect all those delicious tears in my Leftist Tears Tumblr.
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I, look, I don't, I only ask for your money and help for a stupid joke like once a year at this point.
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So you might have seen the Shapiro store has opened up, the long-awaited Shapiro store, which Ben has been promising since like the Clinton administration.
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And we finally got it up and it's got some shirts.
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And they've got this one, which says, I like Mike on it.
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Probably if you wear it in polite society, you'll just be pilloried, beaten with Antifa bats.
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But the reason you need to buy this shirt is I think it would be very, very funny if I sell more shirts than Ben.
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I don't think the grin will ever leave my face if I manage to do that.
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So I need you to go buy this shirt to make Ben frown and to give me some chuckles for like, I don't know, like a month or two at least.
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I want to wrap up on this question of Russia, why Russia keeps coming up, what it really means, what it has to do with the vengeance of the Lord.
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Everything from selling more shirts than Ben, really, that would be the most fun of all.
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But watching the logic of these lefties play out right on them.
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It's like them, you know, they're like they're aiming at Donald Trump with a boomerang.
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And they say, well, I'm going to get Trump now.
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And it's great to watch that logic turn out because for so long it's been a double standard.
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They get to run roughshod over us and we're not allowed to fight back.
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Oh, it would be, oh, no, it would be so uncouth.
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And then in comes Donald Trump, the vengeance of the Lord.
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This is all focused on Russia right now, right?
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They're all, as a matter of politics, they're aiming to get Trump on Russia.
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You've got candidates campaigning for Congress, for the Senate on an impeached Trump platform.
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And the question is, why does President Trump let this go on?
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Not just let this go on, why does he play into it?
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And he messaged me and he said, you know, Michael, I really think Trump might be guilty
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He always is saying, it's a witch hunt and all the exclamation points.
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Why is he letting this Russia thing keep going on and on and on?
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And, you know, I know that everybody thinks that Donald Trump is an idiot.
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That's the line conservatives seem to think that.
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Did it ever occur to you that maybe this Russia narrative plays to President Trump's advantage?
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That it actually gives him an advantage in electoral politics?
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People are saying, why didn't he fire Jeff Sessions when Jeff Sessions recused himself?
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Did it ever occur to people that maybe this Russia story helps Trump?
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So, first of all, to answer my professor friend's question, isn't this evidence that President Trump committed a crime?
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If this were evidence, some smoking gun, you know, President Trump was going to be taken down over this,
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don't you think he'd be at least accused of a crime?
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As Professor Dershowitz just said, collusion is not a crime.
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It's just a silly little euphemism that the left is using to cudgel Donald Trump.
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So, you'd think he might be accused of a crime.
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If he were guilty of something, they'd have something on him.
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Don't you think they'd have something on him at this point, something tangible that could wrap around him?
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The Mueller investigation has been going on since the Grant administration at this point.
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Also, don't you think if they had something on him, maybe his accusers wouldn't have so much to cover up?
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The FBI, political players in the FBI, the CIA, they've been revealed to have lied during all of this.
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The meeting on the tarmac between former President Clinton and Loretta Lynch,
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James Comey saying that Hillary clearly committed a crime, but we're not going to get her for it anyway.
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We've drafted up memos exonerating Hillary Clinton before we even interviewed Hillary Clinton.
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Why don't we have the DNC server that was allegedly hacked?
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Isn't it a little weird, don't you think, that these guys might have a little less at stake if President Trump,
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if they really had something on him, if it weren't just a political action?
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And why does President Trump keep it in the news?
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Whenever this thing goes out of the news, President Trump sends another tweet.
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Why wouldn't he, if it were really a danger to his presidency, wouldn't he be quiet about it?
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Maybe this is exactly the right strategy for Republicans.
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You know, according to Gallup, fewer than half a percent of Americans think that this Russia collusion thing is an important public issue.
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Not just less than one percent, less than half a percent of Americans think that this is an important issue.
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Americans care about immigration, they care about the economy, they care about foreign affairs broadly, you know, wars and things like that,
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I mean, statistically, zero percent of Americans care about this.
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Democrats have put all their eggs in this basket, and President Trump is forcing them to keep their eggs in it.
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And every single time that he says, it's a witch hunt, it's awful, it's crooked, right, they have to double down on that attack.
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This is a, the whole Russia thing, good, keep it in the news, this is great.
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There might be some other lines that they could try to hit.
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I don't know, things are going so well, it's actually really hard for them to pull something up.
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But at least this one they can keep a hold on, so keep it in the news.
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I know this doesn't occur to anybody, but maybe President Trump actually knows what he's doing.
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And maybe Democrats are so, they're so revved up that they're being consumed by their own logic.
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They're being consumed by the logical conclusions of their own actions.
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They rev it up so much, they dish it, and they dish it, and they dish it.
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And now, I don't know what it is about the President, but because of him, they have to take it, too.
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And they're forced, they're wedged into this corner.
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They read the polls, they see, oh gosh, Americans don't care about this at all.
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We're expending all of our energy, all of our capital on this, and we're looking like fools.
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Every step of the way, we're getting proven more partisan, more corrupt, more crooked.
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They've said basically, Trump is, you know, Boris and Natasha from Rocky and Bullwinkle.
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And the Republicans right now have Democrats against the ropes everywhere as a matter of culture,
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as a matter of economics, as a matter of public policy, as a matter of electoral politics.
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And I'll say this, I'll close it on this free speech thing, the vengeance of the Lord.
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With James Gunn, do I want to live in a world where people can make jokes 10 years ago and
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Some conservatives, I think, are being a little obtuse on this.
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They're saying, well, look, it's not a First Amendment issue.
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But this is looking at free speech ideologically too narrow.
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A culture where you can joke around or a culture where you can't joke around?
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Obviously, we want to live in a culture where you can joke around.
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But the left has to stop poisoning that culture.
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And until they stop poisoning that, the vengeance of the Lord will keep smacking them in the face.
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