The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1881 - BREAKING： Haitian Migrants Steal MILLIONS From Taxpayers

00:00:00.000 A Somali girl has gone viral for her argument as to why Somalis should not be deported from

00:00:06.660 America. Support everyone because people deserve to be here because we shouldn't be illegal when

00:00:18.720 this is literally stolen land. And most people are excoriating the poor little girl and her

00:00:25.820 argument. I had exactly the opposite reaction. The fact that a recent arrival is so fluently

00:00:33.940 regurgitating this typically leftist anti-American slogan is the clearest evidence yet that Somalis

00:00:40.980 might in fact be able to assimilate to American culture. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael

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00:02:45.420 989898. That sweet little Somali girl did not learn that argument from Abdul Ahmed Abdi Muhammad.

00:02:54.340 That little Somali girl learned the argument that America is stolen land from some white liberal 0.98

00:03:00.000 teacher. Okay, you know I'm a little tough on the migrants. I think we need to deport zillions of 1.00

00:03:06.780 people and stop taking them in, and we actually need to distinguish between different countries

00:03:12.180 that are more or less assimilable. I am a very hardline immigration restrictionist, 0.79

00:03:16.520 but we got to be fair here. It was not the Somalis who taught this girl that argument.

00:03:22.160 It was some lib, probably old stock, maybe comes from the Mayflower white person in America who

00:03:30.600 taught that argument that actually America's stolen land, and actually that's why we have to give it all

00:03:34.400 the way to the, which brings us to one of the hardest facts of migration right now. The chief

00:03:41.860 argument against mass migration is that we don't assimilate anymore. We have had the largest movement

00:03:48.960 of people in recorded history into the United States in the last 60, 70 years. We have the highest

00:03:55.160 percentage foreign born in the United States that we've ever had. So that's a problem just in itself.

00:04:01.020 That's very hard for polities. People have recognized it going back to antiquity.

00:04:05.720 On top of that, we now discourage assimilation. Used to be when you had the first waves of migrants. 1.00

00:04:12.740 For a lot of American history, we didn't really take migrants, but for some of it, in the 19th

00:04:16.440 century, we took Germans, then Irish, then Italians, then Jews, then some Eastern European,

00:04:22.360 a more Southern European, and then eventually after the 1960s, we started taking in the rest of the

00:04:26.900 world. But in the early part, the 19th and early 20th century, we were tough on the migrants, 0.99

00:04:33.420 and so we forced them to assimilate. And we wouldn't employ them otherwise. We would send 1.00

00:04:39.200 them back if we could. We were tough on them. And now we're not. Now, in fact, we say you should not

00:04:45.180 assimilate because our culture is so evil and terrible, and we don't want to erase your culture, 1.00

00:04:49.380 and we don't want to appropriate your culture. And we don't want to be a melting pot. We want to be a

00:04:54.260 salad bowl or whatever. So that's the chief problem. But there's an added problem, which is

00:04:59.420 we also don't want them to assimilate to this culture because we currently live in a culture 1.00

00:05:03.940 that tears down statues of George Washington and General Lee and Abraham Lincoln that says America

00:05:09.840 is an evil, terrible place. It says we suck and we're on stolen land. So we want them to assimilate 1.00

00:05:16.480 because if they don't assimilate, they're foreigners who have very little to do with us.

00:05:20.260 But we also don't want them to assimilate because the dominant culture of the last 60 years has been 1.00

00:05:25.140 horrible and has itself made our country terrible. So tough luck on the migrants, but they're kind of 1.00

00:05:32.240 damned if they do, damned if they don't. And it's a little bit on us, but in any case, we don't want

00:05:37.900 it. Nobody wants a little Somali girl. I don't care how young and cute she is. Nobody wants a little 1.00

00:05:43.740 Somali girl coming to America and saying, your country is stolen land. This is stolen land. 1.00

00:05:50.620 Give me more welfare fraud. We don't want it. Now, some people in America have a different view.

00:05:55.740 Mayor Wu of Boston has really reshaped my view of American history. And look, we got some American

00:06:04.920 revolution ancestors in the line. We obviously go back to the Mayflower, which is a great cigar company.

00:06:09.820 And so I thought I knew a lot about the history of New England. But it turns out that you cannot

00:06:14.800 talk about any achievement in Boston without talking about the Somalis.

00:06:21.900 You cannot talk about any achievement that the city of Boston has had in safety, jobs and economic

00:06:28.640 development, in education without talking about the Somali community that has lifted our city up.

00:06:34.760 We are proud and we are grateful for our Somali community and for our Somali American neighbors.

00:06:39.820 Boston and the country are clear that hate has no place in our society. We will use

00:06:44.680 every attack to actually strengthen and expand the services available to empower and work alongside

00:06:52.380 our community members who are already doing so much good in the world and setting an example

00:06:56.960 for the rest of the country. They set the example from the beginning. You can't talk about any

00:07:01.660 achievement of Boston. You cannot talk about the history of Boston without talking about the

00:07:07.280 Somalis, right? I mean, who could forget the midnight ride of Paul Abdi Ahmed Mohammed Revere

00:07:14.800 when he was galloping along with the Saracens through the streets of Boston yelling,

00:07:21.240 oh, la, la, la, la, la, the British, la, la, la, la, la, la. Who could forget that?

00:07:25.340 Who could forget? Who could forget the Boston Ambulo party when the colonials dressed up in 1.00

00:07:32.980 tribal attire and poured that Somali stew that poor Jacob Fry in Minnesota had to choke down the 0.54

00:07:40.400 other day with a smile on his face? They just poured all of that delicious stew into the harbor.

00:07:45.140 Don't you remember that? How could you forget? It's not just Mayor Wu. Who was it? Someone else the

00:07:53.500 other day, we covered it on the show, said Pramila Jayapal. It was Pramila Jayapal,

00:07:59.240 the Democrat Congress lady, who said that you can't talk about the history of America without

00:08:03.940 talking about Somalis. They built this country. Somalis built this country. There were statistically 0.98

00:08:08.920 zero Somalis in America before 1992, okay? There were none. There were statistically none.

00:08:17.640 There were dozens who came over in the early 20th century, and then a few more students came over

00:08:25.760 in the 70s, 60s. But it was really not until Somalia failed as a state again in the early 1990s that we

00:08:35.280 had Somalis come over here. They have nothing to do with American history. They have nothing to do with 1.00

00:08:39.760 America. And we are being told to our face, total straight face from Mayor Wu of Boston and from

00:08:46.380 Pramila Jayapal in Congress, that Somalis are as American as apple pie, as ambulo pie.

00:08:53.740 I don't mean to just beat up on the Somalis, though they have nothing to do with American history, 1.00

00:08:59.200 other than very, very recent history when they have defrauded us.

00:09:03.760 The only contribution that Somalis have ever made to America is fraud, like massive, massive fraud. 1.00

00:09:09.700 But it's not just the Somalis. Haitian immigrants too, it turns out, in Massachusetts.

00:09:14.240 Massachusetts. Another, you know, bit of Massachusetts history here. We've talked about

00:09:22.020 the Umbulo Tea Party. Now we will move on to the $7 million in snap fraud, thanks to the Haitians. 1.00

00:09:28.300 Today, we are announcing federal charges against two men, Antonio Bonner and Saul Elisme,

00:09:35.420 for large-scale snap benefit trafficking, a scheme that turned a program designed to feed families

00:09:42.300 into a multimillion-dollar criminal enterprise. One legitimate supermarket in the same area as

00:09:49.980 these stores redeems approximately $80,000 in snap benefits per month. Over the last 20 months,

00:09:57.460 the Gisuela Variety Store was redeeming between three and six times that amount monthly, with

00:10:05.240 nowhere near the space, inventory, customers, or infrastructure to support it. The Sal Mache Mix-A store

00:10:13.400 redeemed over $120,000 in snap benefits in the last six months. Simply put, there is no plausible way

00:10:22.240 snap eligible food could have been purchased from these stores for this long. Yet, these two stores

00:10:30.340 are alleged to have illicitly trafficked nearly $7 million in snap benefits. The fraud was shocking

00:10:37.400 and glaring. I guess it's shocking, but it's not surprising. It's shocking because of the audacity,

00:10:45.920 but it's not surprising because this always happens. These migrant groups come over and they defraud us. 1.00

00:10:52.240 They just keep doing it. And we keep learning that the scale of the fraud,

00:10:57.220 the enormity of the fraud is higher and higher than we thought. And then we're shocked again.

00:11:02.460 At what point do we stop being shocked? I think there was a big turning point with this government

00:11:08.500 shutdown. In many ways, I think it was similar to the turning point of COVID. In as much as Democrats

00:11:15.840 loved COVID. They loved COVID because it allowed them to shut down the government, exert much more

00:11:20.660 government control and rewrite the election laws. So it gave them an advantage in the 2020 election.

00:11:27.240 We're learning more about that too. We'll see if we have time to get to that story. But it helped

00:11:32.000 them. It allowed them to tighten their grip over the institutions that they controlled. And crucially,

00:11:37.600 it allowed them to rewrite the election laws in battleground states, in some cases unconstitutionally,

00:11:42.320 to give them an advantage in an election that otherwise they were probably going to lose.

00:11:45.640 Now, the downside of COVID for them though, was that COVID, for instance, sent the kids home from

00:11:52.580 school and created remote learning. And as a result of remote learning, parents finally were

00:11:58.260 able to see the nonsense that their kids were being taught in school because it was now mediated by a

00:12:02.780 computer screen. And what happened? As a result of that, there were massive demands for education

00:12:06.900 reform. There was a huge spike in homeschooling, people moving out of the public school system.

00:12:12.240 So in the end, I think it kind of hurt the Democrats. That's how I feel about this shutdown.

00:12:17.100 The Libs shut down the government a month or two ago, longest government shutdown in history. And

00:12:22.360 then they just conceded. They totally surrendered. It achieved nothing. It was entirely on them.

00:12:26.300 And they did it because they were trying to shift the conversation. Trump had too many wins.

00:12:31.900 They realized that the only hard issue that they were winning on was healthcare. And so they tried

00:12:36.380 to shut down the government and make it about healthcare. But that kind of hurt them too,

00:12:39.340 because then the Republicans came out and said, well, you're just shutting down the government

00:12:43.220 because you want to give illegals healthcare. You want to give illegals more access to welfare 0.99

00:12:47.180 programs. And the Democrats didn't have a good answer. Initially, they said illegals don't have

00:12:53.120 access to healthcare or welfare programs. But then as the shutdown went on, the Democrats started saying,

00:12:59.140 well, if the Republicans won't reopen the government soon, these poor undocumented migrants 1.00

00:13:05.740 won't have healthcare, won't have food. You say, wait a second. Although you told me that wasn't

00:13:09.940 happening. Now you're saying the reason we have to reopen the government, fund the government is

00:13:13.700 because of the thing that you said wasn't happening. But if you expand it beyond just the

00:13:19.180 undocumented, that is illegal aliens to migrants generally, previously, the Democrats had told us,

00:13:24.800 oh, they don't use welfare systems. They contribute to the economy. They're a net boon for the economy. 0.99

00:13:28.720 And then all of a sudden we realized, no, it turns out certainly in specific migrant communities,

00:13:34.640 60% of them are on welfare or more. So actually they're just a total net negative

00:13:40.580 to the economy, even if you want to make a purely economic argument.

00:13:44.880 And then finally, broadly, when we were looking specifically on SNAP, which used to be called food

00:13:49.460 stamps, we noticed that there is just massive, massive dependence and fraud. Not even dependence like

00:13:58.100 a poor young mother needs it to feed her kids. Like just fraud, just Haitian, Somali, even native 1.00

00:14:03.960 born fraud. In some states, 10% of the population is on food stamps. That shows you that there's

00:14:08.880 something seriously wrong with the economy or with the food stamp program. And the economy right now

00:14:14.060 is relatively strong. So there's obviously a lot of fraud going on here. I think it's going to hurt

00:14:18.580 them. I think it's tuned a lot of people in to say, wow, gosh, why is housing so expensive?

00:14:23.080 Well, two thirds of rent prices have been driven up by migrants. Why is food so expensive? Might it 1.00

00:14:31.280 be because there's just massive fraud taking government subsidies to inflate the price of

00:14:36.160 food? Wow. Huh? Maybe actually the points that the Democrats are giving us, maybe they're actually

00:14:44.240 the problem. So it's leading to a lot of people saying, a lot of this comes down to mass migration

00:14:48.860 and we need an immigration moratorium. Huge number just came out of TPUSA. We'll get to 1.00

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00:16:01.640 your trust, and God bless America. So we're all back from AmericaFest, most of which was podcasters

00:16:08.000 fighting with each other. But there was some more concrete political organizing going on, and at the

00:16:14.560 end of it, there were straw polls. Who do you want to be your nominee in 2028? What do you think of this

00:16:18.960 issue? What do you think of that issue? Before we get to who they want to be their nominee, important

00:16:25.520 issue poll. The TPSA straw poll shows that 90% of attendees support a full immigration moratorium.

00:16:34.880 We need to stop migration into the United States. Illegal, legal, all of it. We're full. We got too 1.00

00:16:43.980 many. People aren't assimilating. We got to stop it. Now, the libs are going to say this is un-American

00:16:49.620 because we're a nation of immigrants. This phrase, nation of immigrants, didn't even appear in America

00:16:54.000 until the middle to late 20th century. It's a revisionist history. We are not a nation of immigrants.

00:16:58.880 We're a nation originally of settlers, and then we had basically no immigration, very, very little

00:17:04.120 immigration until parts of the 19th century when we had very restricted immigration. And then even

00:17:10.740 that was too onerous and burdensome. So by the early 20th century, we essentially cut off all

00:17:16.800 immigration until the latter part of the 20th century, and then we flooded the country with 1.00

00:17:21.220 extremely foreign people. But the real history of America is not that we're a nation of immigrants.

00:17:26.020 We did not consider ourselves to be that way for much of American history. And now, it's not just

00:17:31.240 the attendees at TPSA, which is a pretty good sample of the Republican base. 30,000 people

00:17:36.200 completely sold out. They would have had 100,000 people there had they had more tickets.

00:17:39.920 These are people who are activists, but who are normies. They're not fringe. They're not extreme.

00:17:44.600 They are Charlie Kirk conservatives. And they're saying, we need a full moratorium.

00:17:49.880 So much so that you got Chip Roy here, conservative Republican in Congress,

00:17:54.080 who's introduced the PAUSE Act to implement a moratorium.

00:17:58.420 I've introduced legislation called the PAUSE Act to pause immigration. 0.98

00:18:03.040 And to pause it until we get our hands around all of the problems that are currently plaguing

00:18:09.100 our immigration system. The abuse of birthright citizenship.

00:18:13.820 To have profit-centered ways to create American citizens by people coming here. 1.00

00:18:22.920 Coming across the Rio Grande, having children, making citizens that then can use American resources,

00:18:28.460 our hospitals, our schools, our legal system, our welfare.

00:18:32.020 We continue to allow a broken visa system to have extended family members be brought into the United States 1.00

00:18:45.360 expansively and purposefully.

00:18:50.080 H-1B program has been exploited and abused now for years and must be abolished or massively reformed.

00:18:57.320 So, okay, look, I love all of this. I think this is great. Good on Chip. I'm a big fan of Chip Roy.

00:19:03.440 And I think in the 90s, people talked about an immigration moratorium, but it was really a fringe issue.

00:19:09.440 Then it basically disappeared from Republican politics. Then people have floated it in more recent years.

00:19:14.060 Now it's becoming a mainstream issue. The Overton window is shifting on it.

00:19:18.220 However, I think we need to go even further. Can I offer that? Can I offer? I know, look,

00:19:23.240 I want to take the win that the Overton window has shifted, but I think we need to go a little further.

00:19:28.120 I'll just show you how the Overton window shifted and where it needs to go.

00:19:31.660 When I was a kid, the only two views you could hold on immigration were you want more legal and illegal immigration

00:19:41.300 or only more legal immigration. But, you know, it's got to be legal. It can't be illegal.

00:19:45.500 They have to fill out the right forms. But you always want more migration.

00:19:49.580 Then it shifted to we need to restrict not only illegal immigration, but also legal immigration.

00:19:57.320 So a shift away from just the procedure to the substance of immigration.

00:20:02.400 Now it's shifting a little more. It's just a subset of that idea, which is we need a full moratorium on all immigration. 0.56

00:20:09.800 No one comes in, which practically is not possible.

00:20:12.820 But you could dramatically reduce it to almost nothing, kind of like the 1924 Act.

00:20:17.960 But we're still avoiding one of the big issues, which is not the quantitative issue, but the qualitative issue.

00:20:27.380 Even when we talk about an immigration moratorium, we get to avoid the really icky issue that people don't want to talk about, 0.94

00:20:33.460 but which is obviously relevant, which is what kind of immigrants do we mean?

00:20:38.660 Where are the immigrants coming from? 1.00

00:20:41.840 Is there a difference between an immigrant from merry old England and an immigrant from Somalia?

00:20:47.800 Now, actually, maybe not because both of their names would be Mohammed.

00:20:50.520 But like 30 years ago, there would be a big difference.

00:20:52.820 One would be old John Smith, you know, who's got the traditions of Parliament and Magna Carta

00:20:57.860 and the great kings going all the way back to the Battle of Hastings and this kind of shared history that we have.

00:21:04.520 And Somalia, which has almost nothing in common with us. 0.96

00:21:07.960 But that part you're still not really allowed to talk about.

00:21:11.020 That part still seems a little icky or racist-y or something like that.

00:21:14.180 I don't think it is, but that's the part they don't want to talk about.

00:21:17.580 And I think that's the part we have to talk about.

00:21:19.760 Because the 1924 Immigration Act did talk about that.

00:21:23.800 And the 1924 Immigration Act just coincidentally happened to coincide with the greatest period of strength ever in America.

00:21:33.320 Cohesion, strength, growth, that was it.

00:21:37.420 The Immigration Act from 1924 up until 1965, that was the period, right?

00:21:42.860 That coincided with other things too, though they might have been related.

00:21:46.340 Or strength heading into the Second World War, the early successes in the Cold War.

00:21:50.280 However, we need to focus on the kinds of people that are more likely to assimilate.

00:21:57.680 And that's what we did for literally all of American history until the 1965 Part Seller Act.

00:22:03.280 And then we were told that we're an evil, terrible, racist country.

00:22:06.980 I don't know, kind of all the arguments that that little Somali girl regurgitated. 0.99

00:22:11.040 We're a stolen land, it's awful, we're terrible, we need to let in. 1.00

00:22:13.360 And specifically the Third World, not just immigrants from the UK or Southern Europe or Eastern Europe.

00:22:21.280 No, but specifically the Third World.

00:22:23.860 And that doesn't work.

00:22:25.060 It's hard enough to assimilate Germans and Italians.

00:22:27.540 It was legitimately hard to assimilate Italians and Germans and Jews and Eastern Europeans.

00:22:33.000 And they're pretty close, they're very similar to the founding stock of the country.

00:22:37.160 And it was hard to assimilate them, some of my ancestors.

00:22:43.040 It is a bazillion times harder to assimilate people who have a different language, a radically different language, a different culture, a different institutions, a different religion, different habits, different almost everything. 0.99

00:22:58.380 So this is good, I encourage that.

00:23:00.900 Yeah, okay, we can call it an immigration moratorium.

00:23:04.240 It means a drastic reduction in all migration.

00:23:07.200 But we're not going to get anywhere if we don't talk about the specifics.

00:23:11.420 What kind of cultures are more easily assimilable, what are less assimilable?

00:23:15.380 The ancient Israelites talked about this.

00:23:17.180 The ancient Greeks talked about this.

00:23:19.180 The scholastics talked about this.

00:23:20.820 Every serious statesman who's addressed this issue has talked about this.

00:23:24.880 We need to go all the way.

00:23:26.820 We need to be honest with ourselves.

00:23:28.500 And I think even the hardcore restrictionists, they don't want to be totally honest.

00:23:32.440 They want to pretend it's just a numbers game.

00:23:33.980 Well, you know, we're all just kind of the same.

00:23:35.760 We're all undifferentiated blobs of humanity.

00:23:38.300 Not quite.

00:23:40.120 Traditions, culture, heritage, lineage, stock, religion, all these things really matter.

00:23:46.160 Okay, now speaking of the TPUSA straw poll, there is a clear answer on who the TPUSA base wants to be the president.

00:23:53.840 We'll get to that momentarily.

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00:25:10.960 The numbers are in.

00:25:14.260 Who does TPSA want to be the president?

00:25:18.380 Do I have my?

00:25:19.380 Yeah, here it is.

00:25:19.940 Who does TPSA, the membership, want to be the president in 2028?

00:25:25.920 We got it.

00:25:26.840 It's right here.

00:25:28.880 Coming in with 84% of the vote, J.D. Vance.

00:25:33.260 Followed by about 4% of the vote, Marco Rubio.

00:25:38.440 Followed by about 2.5% of the vote, Ron DeSantis.

00:25:41.120 Followed by 2% of the vote, Don Jr.

00:25:43.440 Followed by 1 or so percent of the vote, Ted Cruz.

00:25:46.040 Followed by 1% of the vote, Glenn Youngkin.

00:25:48.000 Followed by 3% of the vote, 2.5, undecided.

00:25:51.540 Followed by 3%, someone else, write-in required.

00:25:54.900 It's just not.

00:25:58.160 It's just not close.

00:26:00.940 Not close anywhere.

00:26:04.220 It's J.D., which I've called from the beginning.

00:26:06.500 And look, I like a ton of these guys.

00:26:09.580 Rubio.

00:26:10.120 Rubio's strong.

00:26:11.480 Ron DeSantis, I think, is a tremendous governor.

00:26:13.500 I really like Don Jr.

00:26:14.500 Ted Cruz is a very close friend of mine.

00:26:16.740 Glenn Youngkin, I don't really know.

00:26:17.860 I'm kind of miffed at his statement about the Robert E. Lee statue the other day.

00:26:22.040 But he was a good governor.

00:26:23.820 All these guys are good.

00:26:26.040 It's J.D.

00:26:26.880 Why is it J.D.?

00:26:27.920 Because of his particular political strengths, I think he in particular speaks to the political

00:26:32.840 moment, and he has a special skill at speaking to young people.

00:26:35.720 But it's not even necessarily just about him personally.

00:26:39.080 We are living in an almost unprecedented political moment in American history because we have a

00:26:46.060 president who has a non-consecutive second term, which means that when Trump picked J.D.

00:26:51.740 to be his running mate, he was effectively crowning him to be the heir.

00:26:57.200 Because when you run for president, you're aiming at two terms.

00:27:03.080 And because this one was interrupted and President Trump is term limited by the Constitution,

00:27:07.340 by the 22nd Amendment, which I'll point out, Ronald Reagan campaigned vigorously to repeal.

00:27:12.440 Nevertheless, it's on the books.

00:27:13.940 And so he essentially, really no matter what Trump says, he crowned him when he picked him in 2024.

00:27:21.240 So obviously, he's the pick.

00:27:23.820 You don't need to just ask the kids at TPSA.

00:27:27.000 Marco Rubio, who's the number two guy by a country mile,

00:27:30.300 Marco Rubio has come out and told Vanity Fair he doubles down.

00:27:35.560 Of his own personal and political ambitions, telling Vanity Fair last week,

00:27:40.900 if J.D. Vance runs for president, he's going to be our nominee,

00:27:43.960 and I'll be one of the first people to support him.

00:27:47.180 Very rarely do you see in Washington politics somebody who does something like this.

00:27:53.820 Yeah, really remarkable, kind of the setting aside of personal ambition.

00:27:57.120 And arguably, these two men, J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio, would probably be among the top contenders.

00:28:03.000 Yes, and that is backed up by the numbers.

00:28:05.100 However, I love this reaction from the correspondents on Fox News.

00:28:09.180 They say, wow, it's so rare to see people set aside personal ambition.

00:28:12.160 That's a nice way to put it.

00:28:13.660 And Rubio seems like a terrific guy.

00:28:15.400 Nobody puts aside personal ambition willingly in Washington, D.C.

00:28:22.300 Marco Rubio has been running for president, certainly since 2016, and he was making waves in 2012.

00:28:27.800 I remember it.

00:28:28.800 Okay.

00:28:29.820 This is not about just voluntarily setting aside personal ambition because, you know, that's just,

00:28:36.120 he just so admires J.D. Vance.

00:28:38.180 That's not my read on it.

00:28:39.620 My read on it is, J.D. is the nominee.

00:28:42.600 That's a fact.

00:28:43.680 That's a fait accompli at this point.

00:28:45.900 And so, we need to deal in that reality.

00:28:48.580 And look, he would be a good nominee.

00:28:50.520 But that's Rubio, I think, more acknowledging reality.

00:28:53.960 And look, Rubio could be a great running mate.

00:28:56.340 Who knows?

00:28:56.740 If he's serious that he really wants to remain secretary of state, it would be wild for him

00:29:00.140 to be secretary of state across, say, three presidential terms.

00:29:03.720 That would be pretty historic.

00:29:05.480 In any case, I really like this.

00:29:08.900 Not only because, as you know, I'm a great admirer of the vice president.

00:29:11.960 But it's not just because of that.

00:29:14.580 It's because of the stark contrast between what we saw on the TPUSA stage during All of

00:29:21.720 America Fest and what we're seeing in the polling numbers, what we're seeing within the

00:29:26.420 government among the hard politicos.

00:29:28.660 On the TPUSA stage, it was everyone sniping at each other and trying to excise people from

00:29:35.580 the conservative movement and to vie for position.

00:29:39.920 And perhaps for perfectly fine, principled moral reasons.

00:29:43.680 I'm not even casting aspersions on that.

00:29:45.840 I'm just observing that's what happened.

00:29:48.660 And then I look at the base and I look at the government and it's not division.

00:29:54.520 It's unity.

00:29:55.140 It's division among the podcasters and the commentators and the writers and the think

00:30:02.560 tankers.

00:30:03.420 It's total division.

00:30:04.900 It's like every man's on his own team, it seems, and wants to boot everyone else out

00:30:08.820 of conservatism.

00:30:09.720 But then among the base and among the actual politicos, the people that we're going to

00:30:15.020 nominate and vote for, there's more unity than I've seen maybe in my lifetime.

00:30:19.000 Just go back to TPUSA.

00:30:20.260 Okay, you've got, what is it, 80, sorry, 82.5% support for Donald Trump.

00:30:28.220 82.5% support for Donald Trump in 2020.

00:30:34.340 84% support for J.D. Vance.

00:30:36.360 You actually have J.D. Vance, who's the VP, who was senator from Ohio, who wrote an interesting

00:30:44.860 book about growing up as a kind of hillbilly.

00:30:48.280 That guy has more unified Republican support than Donald Trump, the man who won the popular

00:30:57.740 vote as a Republican for the first time in 20 years.

00:30:59.520 That is an amazing amount of GOP unity.

00:31:03.840 And I gave a speech on this at Belmont Abbey, anticipating some of the fights in the so-called

00:31:08.540 right-wing civil war, which is mostly a phenomenon of podcasting and commentators and think tanks.

00:31:15.180 It is not primarily a phenomenon of hard politics, electoral politics.

00:31:20.740 And I pointed out, I said, look, there are all these divisions and all of these isms and

00:31:25.280 ideologies, some of them perfectly justifiable, and some of the antagonism is justifiable.

00:31:30.160 But I just want to point out, who do we all support for president?

00:31:33.180 All of us who are really within the tent.

00:31:34.960 Let's just use the example of the people Charlie invited to the event.

00:31:38.920 He excluded some people.

00:31:39.980 He invited a ton of people.

00:31:41.860 Many of the people he invited hate each other.

00:31:43.840 But who do we all support for president?

00:31:46.140 We all support Trump.

00:31:47.740 And who are we basically all going to support next time?

00:31:50.760 The heir apparent, J.D. Vance.

00:31:52.440 And what do we all think about immigration?

00:31:55.620 We need to greatly restrict it.

00:31:56.740 And what do we all think about foreign policy?

00:31:58.400 It needs to be restrained but strong.

00:31:59.880 And what do we all think about the economy?

00:32:01.760 It needs to serve the American national interest.

00:32:04.140 And what do we all, we all, weirdly, when it comes to policy, we all kind of agree.

00:32:10.460 When it comes to politicians, we all kind of agree.

00:32:13.580 All the division takes place in this meta-political space of the commentators.

00:32:18.680 That's interesting in itself.

00:32:22.260 And there are all sorts of reasons for it.

00:32:23.440 And I don't mean to just write it off.

00:32:25.320 But I feel pretty good about that unity.

00:32:27.440 Amid all this report of division, I feel pretty good about that unity.

00:32:30.580 Now, speaking of impressive, albeit more unsettling unity,

00:32:36.460 have you read about the throuple, the gay throuple in the Wall Street Journal?

00:32:40.860 You haven't?

00:32:41.740 Lucky you.

00:32:42.240 We're going to have to talk about it, though, I'm afraid.

00:32:44.380 This is from the Wall Street Journal.

00:32:45.640 Now, this is establishment, a newspaper, stodgy.

00:32:52.740 I love the Wall Street Journal.

00:32:55.440 Headline, one throuple had three separate design tastes.

00:32:59.360 How did they manage a renovation?

00:33:01.320 After buying a plain vanilla box, a Chicago trio brought in an interior designer

00:33:06.460 who blended their aesthetics and added elements like a moody den for socializing

00:33:10.560 and a three-person bed.

00:33:12.660 Am I reading Playgirl or am I reading the Wall Street Journal?

00:33:19.960 What is—we'll get to that in one moment.

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00:33:56.660 Today, my favorite comment yesterday, it's from the Drummer's Workshop, Norm's Music.

00:34:01.320 It almost always is.

00:34:02.540 But this one, and I did see the name this time, and it wasn't even close.

00:34:06.380 And the headline in response to Disney, or the comment in response to Disney,

00:34:11.300 I'm dreaming of a white Santa, just like the one I used to know.

00:34:19.120 So true, so true.

00:34:21.060 Mrs. Claus is black. 0.58

00:34:23.140 Santa is black.

00:34:25.020 The elves will be black. 1.00

00:34:27.880 It will all George Washington.

00:34:29.340 It's true.

00:34:30.560 That's true.

00:34:31.260 That's American history.

00:34:34.580 What's up with the throuple?

00:34:37.920 When corporate strategist David Goberdiel and pharmacist Ryan Tungate

00:34:43.540 started living together in Chicago 2013,

00:34:45.920 they never intended to open their relationship, let alone their home, to a third partner.

00:34:51.260 Excuse me one second.

00:34:53.820 We're one sentence in, and it's already nauseating.

00:34:58.240 But when they met consultant Michael Cowell, 35,

00:35:01.600 through mutual friends in the summer of 2018, things took an unexpected turn.

00:35:05.540 We just clicked.

00:35:06.500 An unexpected turn.

00:35:08.220 Homosexual men do weird stuff. 1.00

00:35:10.980 It was just totally unexpected.

00:35:12.600 We had no idea.

00:35:13.680 Can you imagine homosexual men would have multiple partners?

00:35:16.980 That's so crazy.

00:35:18.840 This is a man bites dog story.

00:35:20.640 Stop the presses, Wall Street Journal.

00:35:22.900 So anyway, it's this whole thing about how three gay guys live together.

00:35:28.480 But the story isn't about that.

00:35:30.140 If the story were about that, I would understand.

00:35:32.800 Well, you wouldn't cover it because that sort of happens.

00:35:35.520 It's unusual by norms, by normal standards.

00:35:39.880 But it's not unusual, necessarily, within that community.

00:35:44.620 However, I could see a newspaper covering it.

00:35:46.420 It's just like, wow, can you believe this is what they do?

00:35:48.140 That's crazy, isn't it?

00:35:48.960 But that's not what the story's about.

00:35:51.220 The story takes all of that for granted.

00:35:54.280 It says, yeah, these three dudes are gay guys.

00:35:56.980 They live together.

00:35:57.760 It's totally.

00:35:58.080 And let's just talk about their throw pillows.

00:36:02.200 And one of them wanted the dining room to be eating room red.

00:36:05.920 And can you imagine the other wanted forest green?

00:36:08.960 However, did they resolve that conflict?

00:36:11.080 In other words, the point of the story is to normalize throuple.

00:36:15.960 The word throuple.

00:36:16.980 I've used the word throuple because it's kind of a funny neologism.

00:36:19.140 Guys, we can't normalize throuple, okay?

00:36:24.620 We can't, don't, we can't, and we certainly can't normalize gay throuples. 1.00

00:36:30.120 I guess you see in history, in pagan societies, even in the Old Testament, though it's not recommended,

00:36:36.640 you see a patriarch with multiple wives.

00:36:40.520 Maybe that would be a kind of a throuple.

00:36:43.180 But the gay throuple thing, that's especially, and I don't even want to normalize the other throuple. 1.00

00:36:47.120 This, this is gross.

00:36:52.160 And one begins to understand sodomy laws.

00:36:55.600 I guess that's the clip for Media Matters today, but it's fine.

00:36:58.260 It should be the clip because people need to hear this.

00:37:01.620 Someone asked, at AmericaFest actually, someone was asking about sodomy laws.

00:37:05.160 Would I support sodomy laws?

00:37:06.460 Coming back on the books.

00:37:07.580 And I pointed out the history of sodomy laws.

00:37:10.400 Goes back to, well, the legalization or the constitutional ban on laws prohibiting homosexuals.

00:37:17.120 Sodomy goes back to Lawrence v. Texas, a case about 20 years ago at the Supreme Court,

00:37:22.120 which found, over the objections of Antonin Scalia and the court's conservatives,

00:37:26.860 that there is a secret constitutional right to homosexual sodomy. 0.60

00:37:31.740 Written presumably in Invisible Ink, somewhere between Articles 2 and 3.

00:37:35.980 I don't know exactly where it is, but that right is in there, apparently.

00:37:39.960 And Scalia's argument was, look, whether you enjoy homosexual sodomy or you disapprove of it,

00:37:47.240 it's not in the Constitution.

00:37:49.020 And so there can be laws about this.

00:37:51.160 So then get into the actual laws.

00:37:53.000 The idea that there were still these laws on the books as late as 2003, say.

00:37:56.920 That seems kind of crazy to a lot of people.

00:37:58.980 But I think it's also because they don't understand the purpose that these laws served.

00:38:03.600 Many such laws, not just pertaining to this particular vice, but to other vices as well.

00:38:10.800 People think that, you know, these poor perpetrators were getting their heads lopped off

00:38:15.940 for committing crimes that many of us don't think are very serious all the time.

00:38:19.920 That's not true.

00:38:21.840 These laws were very, very rarely enforced.

00:38:26.200 There were not purity police going around door to door to try to arrest Paul Lind, say.

00:38:30.880 Okay, that's not how it works.

00:38:32.660 This wasn't Iran. 0.80

00:38:34.560 We don't do that.

00:38:35.580 We don't have much of a tradition of that in America.

00:38:37.500 We don't really have any tradition of that in America.

00:38:39.480 So what purpose did the laws serve?

00:38:41.940 The purpose that the laws served was to set a standard,

00:38:45.820 even if it was through a legal mechanism that was generally not enforced.

00:38:50.860 And the standard said, not that two fellas can't, you know,

00:38:55.820 have a long handshake every once in a while.

00:38:57.360 It's not that, you know, Paul Lind can't appear on Hollywood squares.

00:39:01.560 A lot of Paul Lind in the show.

00:39:02.860 It's that we're not going to put up with gay throuples in our newspapers. 1.00

00:39:08.620 That's what the law said.

00:39:10.280 That's the purpose of these laws that set standards and norms.

00:39:14.440 It's to say, hey, here's a standard of society.

00:39:17.180 We will tolerate some deviation from it, but make no mistake about the standard.

00:39:21.860 I was talking to Jonathan Pajot about this some years ago.

00:39:26.060 And he pointed out, you know, weird stuff has always existed in society.

00:39:28.980 We've always had weird stuff.

00:39:30.280 Go look at medieval manuscripts.

00:39:32.660 And in medieval manuscripts, there's all sorts of weird stuff along the edges.

00:39:38.500 Gargoyles.

00:39:39.040 And look at cathedrals.

00:39:40.340 On cathedrals, on the outside of the cathedrals, there's all this weird stuff.

00:39:43.620 Gargoyles and weird little kind of elfish-looking creatures.

00:39:46.720 And some of them with grotesque features.

00:39:48.900 And even in the manuscripts, sometimes they got weird, like, you know, a giant phallus

00:39:51.880 or something like that.

00:39:52.800 And you say, this is really bizarre.

00:39:54.080 Why do they, why, even in the high Middle Ages, you know, the high point of Christendom,

00:39:58.640 Christian culture, why do they have all this weird deviant stuff on the outside? 1.00

00:40:03.800 And the reason is because you don't want it in the center.

00:40:08.140 It's a fallen world.

00:40:09.200 There's weird stuff.

00:40:09.980 You know, humans are quirky.

00:40:10.840 But you need to make sure that the weird stuff is considered weird.

00:40:16.620 You don't want the gargoyle with the gigantic phallus and 17 horns in the center of the altar.

00:40:22.080 That's truly perverted, inverted even.

00:40:25.540 You keep it kind of on the periphery.

00:40:28.560 That's the purpose of these laws.

00:40:29.660 And right now what we've done, by removing even the nod to standards in this behavior,

00:40:36.420 we have moved that which generally exists on the edges in the periphery.

00:40:42.660 We've moved it into the center.

00:40:44.040 And it's deeply scandalous.

00:40:46.460 And it screws up our whole culture.

00:40:47.820 And most people don't like it, which is why Republicans campaigned so effectively

00:40:51.320 against transing the kids last year.

00:40:54.600 That's eunuchs, transgenderism, transvestitism. 1.00

00:40:58.920 These are issues that were always on.

00:41:00.540 They've always been around.

00:41:01.360 They've always been around the periphery.

00:41:03.440 I mean, for goodness sakes, Nero, Emperor Nero.

00:41:06.420 He castrated one of his slaves and dressed him up to look like the wife that Nero had murdered

00:41:11.840 and married this boy girl.

00:41:15.380 Which, by the way, that is the example of gay marriage in antiquity.

00:41:18.720 So not like when people say gay marriage has been around forever.

00:41:21.180 Yeah, you're pointing to Nero.

00:41:22.420 I wouldn't.

00:41:22.720 That's not a great example.

00:41:23.700 But even you say transvestitism.

00:41:25.620 Yeah, right.

00:41:26.800 It's a fallen world, man.

00:41:27.860 These things have always been around.

00:41:28.680 It's weird.

00:41:29.820 But you got to kind of keep it on the edges, okay?

00:41:33.880 Not in the Wall Street Journal.

00:41:35.460 Have I made my point understood?

00:41:36.920 Speaking of the new normal, Rick Wilson, who was some hack, cynical, Republican campaign

00:41:44.500 operative, just a kind of scummy political creature.

00:41:50.420 Rick Wilson decided that his business was drying up during the Trump era, so he flipped teams.

00:41:57.060 Political hatchet men are not necessarily always known for their loyalty and deep moral principles.

00:42:01.640 So Rick Wilson, he goes on some show.

00:42:05.060 And as we look ahead to the end of President Trump's second term, after 10 years of Trump

00:42:11.740 dominating American politics, 10 years to get his act together, to take a deep breath,

00:42:15.600 this is what Rick Wilson had to say about Trump.

00:42:17.420 My better angels, when Trump dies, are going to be out on the streets setting off fireworks.

00:42:23.300 It's going to sound like a Baghdad wedding around here. 0.95

00:42:26.120 He deserves nothing but our hatred, our loathing, our approbation, our dismissal.

00:42:33.200 Donald Trump's grave will reek of ammonia for a million years.

00:42:37.780 He is the most hated president in our lifetimes.

00:42:41.160 His cult is intense, but shrinking every day.

00:42:44.900 But I promise you, karma is a magnificent, sculpted bitch. 1.00

00:42:50.840 And Donald, she will roll around someday.

00:42:54.360 Inshallah, someday sooner than later.

00:42:58.600 And as you pass down into the gates of hell, people will, the last sound you'll hear is

00:43:05.480 the laughter and cheering of Americans as you disappear from this world.

00:43:11.160 Do you feel better, buddy?

00:43:15.760 Do you feel good?

00:43:16.980 Oh, good.

00:43:17.780 I'm glad you got that off your chest.

00:43:20.380 Who talks like this?

00:43:22.800 Who talks like this?

00:43:25.320 It was poorly written, first of all.

00:43:28.000 You can tell he wrote that one up.

00:43:29.300 He thought, oh, that'll really get him.

00:43:31.300 But who talks like this?

00:43:34.460 Whether it's spontaneous, whether it's extemporaneous, or whether it's pre-written.

00:43:38.440 Who talks like this?

00:43:40.280 Yes.

00:43:41.120 Ha, ha, ha, ha, yes.

00:43:42.600 You'll die, and I'll be so happy when you die, and then I'll celebrate you.

00:43:47.420 He says, Trump's the least popular president in however many years.

00:43:51.980 President Trump is the first Republican to win the popular vote in 20 years.

00:43:55.460 President Trump built a new coalition in American politics that won increasing numbers of black

00:44:04.340 people and Hispanic people and 46% of the Hispanic vote, of women, of even women under

00:44:10.320 the age of 30, won 40% of them.

00:44:12.520 This is an inclusive coalition.

00:44:14.960 And they'll be so happy when you die, and I'll be happy when you die.

00:44:18.740 And I'm reminded that the fruits of the spirit are an important measure of people, on the

00:44:26.980 left or on the right.

00:44:28.820 People who say that they're religious, people who are openly irreligious.

00:44:33.060 Really, this cuts across the board.

00:44:35.000 When you have people using vile language.

00:44:38.360 You know, I try not to go blue on this show.

00:44:40.480 Occasionally, a word slips out here or there.

00:44:41.720 But I try not to go blue, because it's not good to do that.

00:44:44.660 And it's bad, and it makes you worse when you do that too much.

00:44:47.860 And I don't know, when you see someone using vile, vulgar language, constantly vituperative,

00:44:54.640 always, you know, an abundance of invective.

00:44:58.040 How many kind of silly, multi-syllabic words can I use in this description? 0.99

00:45:01.700 It's a bad sign.

00:45:03.660 It says that maybe something's gone a little bit rotten in that person.

00:45:06.580 And maybe that person, rather than focusing their animus on some outside object or person,

00:45:11.720 maybe ought to, I don't know, go to confession.

00:45:14.080 I don't know, maybe ought to have a little introspection, maybe pray, maybe take stock

00:45:18.200 of oneself.

00:45:19.500 It's not just on the left.

00:45:20.680 I see it on the right too.

00:45:22.520 But it's not good.

00:45:23.500 No one listens to that guy and says, ah, yes, this is a serious, balanced person.

00:45:28.260 His views, I should consider.

00:45:29.880 I don't think so.

00:45:30.780 By the way, before we go, because I know that, you know, we've got a lot of great programming

00:45:38.320 for over Christmas and New Year, but it's the last, like, hard news I'm going to be giving

00:45:42.040 you.

00:45:43.820 Answer Rick Wilson with what Nancy Pelosi just had to say.

00:45:46.880 Because looking ahead to 2026, the Democrats are really hopeful that they're going to retake

00:45:51.760 the Congress.

00:45:52.700 And if they retake the Congress, they can impeach Trump for the third time.

00:45:56.040 They're salivating to do so.

00:45:57.780 And here's Nancy Pelosi, who was the Democrat leader in the House for, I think, 246 of America's

00:46:05.200 250 years.

00:46:06.420 Here's what Nancy Pelosi had to say about impeaching Trump in 26 and 27. 0.99

00:46:11.140 Just to make sure I understand you, this should not be the agenda of Democrats for this

00:46:16.620 last two years.

00:46:17.340 No, I mean, if he crosses the border again.

00:46:19.740 But that's not an incidental thing.

00:46:23.460 You say, well, we're going to do that.

00:46:24.740 No, there has to be cause.

00:46:26.240 There has to be reason.

00:46:27.040 We had review.

00:46:28.600 This was a very serious, historic thing.

00:46:31.740 And our founders knew that there could be a rogue president.

00:46:35.620 And that's why they put impeachment in the Constitution.

00:46:38.880 They didn't know there'd be a rogue president at the same time, a rogue Senate that didn't

00:46:43.200 have the courage to do the right thing.

00:46:46.040 That's bipartisan in the Senate, but it wasn't enough.

00:46:50.540 USA Today.

00:46:51.400 So, Speaker Pelosi, do you think that Democrats should impeach Donald Trump when they take

00:46:56.160 power?

00:46:57.040 Uh, no, he didn't do anything to merit that.

00:47:00.440 Well, what you need a legal predicate for impeachment.

00:47:03.040 I'm kind of rich hearing this from Pelosi.

00:47:04.460 Now she also realizes because they didn't really have a legal predicate last time.

00:47:07.540 I think she just realizes this is a political loser.

00:47:09.460 But in any case, however we get it, you heard it straight from the horse's mouth.

00:47:14.320 Is it the horse's mouth?

00:47:15.300 It's some, it's at least some part of the horse.

00:47:17.120 You heard it straight from that part of the horse.

00:47:19.800 There is no basis for Democrats to impeach Trump.

00:47:22.980 Okay.

00:47:23.400 That's nice, nice news heading into the new year.

00:47:25.940 It is Tee Hee Hee Tuesday.

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00:47:31.640 What was it like, Merlin, to be alone with God?

00:47:48.720 Is that who you think I was alone with?

00:47:59.480 Merlin, I knew your father.

00:48:01.980 I am yet convinced that he was not of this world.

00:48:07.080 All men know of the great Taliesin.

00:48:10.460 You are my father.

00:48:11.660 Other gods should war for my soul.

00:48:14.780 Princess Garrus, savior of our people.

00:48:18.720 I know what the bull god offered you.

00:48:22.880 I was offered the same.

00:48:24.860 And?

00:48:26.380 There is a new power at work in the world.

00:48:28.460 I've seen it.

00:48:30.500 A god who sacrifices what he loves for us.

00:48:33.240 We are each given only one life, Singer.

00:48:35.980 No.

00:48:37.160 We're given another.

00:48:40.940 I learnt of Yazoo the Christ. 1.00

00:48:43.240 And I have become his follower.

00:48:45.120 He's waiting on a miracle.

00:48:46.640 And I think you can give him one.

00:48:48.720 Trust in Yazoo.

00:48:50.040 He is the only hope for men like us.

00:48:52.940 Fate of Britain never rests in the hands of the great light.

00:48:55.880 Great light.

00:48:57.140 Great darkness.

00:48:58.580 Such things mattered to me then.

00:49:01.160 What matters to you now, mistress of lies?

00:49:03.100 You, nephew.

00:49:04.100 The sword of a high king.

00:49:11.540 How many lives must be lost before you accept the power you were born to wield?

00:49:21.320 Circling to the promises of a god who has abandoned you.

00:49:24.380 I cannot take up that sword again.

00:49:27.620 You know what you must do.

00:49:31.040 Great light, forgive me.

00:49:32.100 The time has come.

00:49:40.820 To be reborn.

00:49:42.760 You know...

00:49:44.140 I cannot take up that sword.

00:49:45.200 You know...

00:49:47.240 I cannot take up.

00:49:47.740 I cannot take up.

00:49:48.220 I cannot take up.

00:49:50.400 Let's go.

The Michael Knowles Show - December 23, 2025

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