The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1894 - Trump Launches Investigation Into Don Lemon

00:00:00.000 The Department of Justice is investigating Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry and Minnesota

00:00:04.980 Governor Tim Walz for impeding law enforcement, a crime that they would be more likely to get

00:00:11.540 away with if they had not admitted to it repeatedly on television. Then the DOJ investigates Don

00:00:17.700 Lemon for conspiring with a mob to interrupt a Baptist church service on Sunday with the delightful

00:00:23.480 kicker that Lemon might be charged under the Ku Klux Klan Act. And then speaking of the Klan,

00:00:29.260 does anyone care about Martin Luther King anymore? Yesterday was Martin Luther King Day.

00:00:34.700 No one really talked about it. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:37.320 Welcome back to the show. 100 days of Trump. It's been, no, sorry, not 100. We're well past 100

00:01:02.660 days. The first year of Trump is over. How quickly it flew. How much has changed. We have the Daily

00:01:11.240 Wire's own Mary Margaret Olihan embedded in the White House so frequently. She will be giving us

00:01:17.340 the summary, the update. What's going on? What's the scuttlebutt in the halls of power?

00:01:23.340 A full year of Trump. That's a lot. That's roughly 365 days. And here we've had our Christmas

00:01:33.760 decorations up for roughly 10,000 days at this point. But some people have asked about this.

00:01:39.760 It's because it's Christmas Day. There's then the octave of Christmas. There is then the 12 days

00:01:45.780 of Christmas. You know, my true love gave to me. But then the full Christmas season goes till

00:01:50.240 candlemas. Crazy to think, folks, in a mere 12, 13 days, we're going to have to take these

00:01:54.980 decorations down. Okay, I want to get to the federal investigations into the insurrectionist

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00:02:42.140 Minneapolis. You probably know him mostly from speaking in the Greedo, Boba Fett kind of Star

00:02:47.600 Wars language. But he is not a Somali. He is an American, I guess. And Jacob Fry is very worried

00:02:56.320 now because after months and months of covering up for Somali criminals, after weeks now of obstructing

00:03:03.600 law enforcement, of opposing the federal government, of some might suggest helping to lead an insurrection,

00:03:09.900 the federal government is now investigating Jacob Fry.

00:03:15.360 I never thought in a million years that we would be invaded by our own federal government.

00:03:23.860 Of course, there's different perspectives when a different party gets sworn into the White House.

00:03:30.180 Of course, there are different ideologies throughout America. That's part of what makes our country great.

00:03:35.760 But you don't get investigated for having a different opinion. You don't have militarized

00:03:42.580 troops deployed to a city for having a different perspective or because a city happened to vote for

00:03:48.320 the opposite party. That may be what happens in other countries, but it doesn't happen here.

00:03:55.620 Here, this is America, and we've got to be standing up for these American values.

00:03:59.680 I totally agree, Jacob Fry. A rare moment of total agreement. Maybe there would be more moments

00:04:06.300 of agreement if you spoke English more often instead of Somali. But we agree. You don't get 1.00

00:04:11.680 investigated by the federal government simply for having a difference of opinion, certainly not under

00:04:15.740 Trump. Maybe under Joe Biden and the Democrats you do. When the IRS is weaponized against political

00:04:22.600 opponents, when the DOJ and the FBI are weaponized against political opponents, when they go spy on

00:04:26.520 Catholics, when they go round up people who advocate on behalf of unborn babies. But that's true. But 1.00

00:04:33.280 under Trump, you're right. You don't get investigated for a difference of opinion.

00:04:38.560 You do get investigated for obstructing law enforcement. You do get investigated for aiding

00:04:46.020 and abetting crime. You do get investigated for undermining federal law. You will get investigated

00:04:51.640 for that, and you could go to jail for that. He says, look, we have different ideologies,

00:04:55.940 different beliefs in America. That's part of what makes America great. That's true.

00:04:59.340 That's been a feature of America from the very beginning. Doesn't mean we tolerate all ideologies,

00:05:05.060 but we do embrace differences of opinion, and we deliberate, and we debate, and we persuade each other.

00:05:10.720 Yeah, yeah, that's all great. You don't get investigated for that. That's true.

00:05:14.140 You do get investigated for undermining the supremacy clause of the Constitution.

00:05:22.240 Notice what he says there at the top. This is where he let the mask slip. He said,

00:05:25.900 I never thought we'd be in a position where the federal government would invade our cities.

00:05:30.880 What are you talking about? The federal government has done that many times,

00:05:33.200 going back to the earliest days of the country. Some of the big threats against federal power,

00:05:39.560 against a unified United States, going back to, I don't know, the Whiskey Rebellion,

00:05:43.440 Shays' Rebellion, all the way up through the Civil War, certainly.

00:05:50.280 I never thought, well, now I say, I say, Mayor Jacob Fry here of Minneapolis, I never thought

00:05:56.220 I'd see this northern aggression come in here to undermine my state's rights, my city's rights, 0.81

00:06:02.620 to fund al-Shabaab. I never thought I'd see this here. This is unconstitutional, I say.

00:06:08.680 What is he talking about? Is he now making secessionist arguments? The federal government

00:06:16.180 sent troops in to desegregate schools in the 1950s. What are you talking about? You didn't

00:06:23.900 think the federal government had power to enforce federal law? No. You knew that. You just want to

00:06:31.380 harbor illegal aliens and other foreign criminals who should not be in this country. That's what 1.00

00:06:38.820 they're investigating you for. They're investigating you for things like this.

00:06:42.060 There's little I can say, again, that'll make this situation better, but I do have a message

00:06:49.860 for our community, for our city, and I have a message for ICE. To ICE, get the f**k out of Minneapolis.

00:07:01.560 We do not want you here. Your stated reason for being in this city is to create some kind of safety,

00:07:08.880 and you are doing exactly the opposite. That's what you're being investigated for,

00:07:13.620 that kind of stuff. Get the f**k out. You're being investigated for your cringe millennial rhetoric.

00:07:19.360 You're absolutely cringe-inducing diction, which is typical of your, our generation, I should say,

00:07:28.020 but it's even beyond the vulgarity. That's why. You don't have the right to order out

00:07:35.200 federal law enforcement carrying out federal law. You don't have the right to impede and obstruct

00:07:41.780 law enforcement, to harbor criminals and keep them away from the federal government when they

00:07:47.240 have committed federal crimes. You don't have the right to encourage and incite ordinary citizens,

00:07:53.320 civilians, to obstruct law enforcement. That's the kind of thing you're being investigated for.

00:07:58.860 Not just Jacob Fry goes all the way to the top in Minnesota. Here's Governor Walz.

00:08:02.880 When things looked really bleak, it was Minnesota's first that held that line for the nation

00:08:08.440 on that July 3rd, 1863. And I think now we may be in that moment that the nation's looking to us

00:08:17.340 to hold the line on democracy.

00:08:19.460 ...order to prepare the Minnesota National Guard. We have soldiers in training and prepared to be

00:08:23.900 deployed if necessary. I remind you, a warning order is a heads up for folks. And these National

00:08:30.040 Guard troops are our National Guard troops. They're teachers in your community. They're business

00:08:35.820 owners. They're construction professionals. They are Minnesotans. Minnesota will not allow our 0.86

00:08:41.860 community to be used as a prop in a national political fight.

00:08:45.380 Tim Walz is radical and openly radical, but he's so bumbling that he doesn't even realize he is just

00:08:51.860 admitting to crimes. He's just openly committing crimes here. And he's not even doing it the way he

00:08:59.020 thinks he is. So he comes right out. He says, this is Civil War. This is 1863. This is Civil War.

00:09:05.820 Except the irony is, he's pretending that he is, in the analogy to the Civil War in the 1860s,

00:09:13.360 he's on the side of the Union. But he's not on the side of the Union in this case. He would be on

00:09:17.980 the side of the Confederacy because he is resisting the enforcement of federal law along with federal

00:09:27.280 troops. So he says, this is, this is just like the 1860s. First of all, you're admitting, okay,

00:09:33.360 this is Civil War. This is insurrection. And we're on the side of the secessionists and the

00:09:37.400 insurrectionists. Why would you admit that? And then he doubles down. He says, we're calling up the

00:09:43.500 National Guard and it's Minnesota National Guard. In other words, to oppose the federal troops.

00:09:47.920 So yeah, that's insurrection. And the libs tried to pretend that granny's taking selfies in the 0.95

00:09:53.700 Capitol on January 6th was insurrection for years and years and years. Now we got to give it to him.

00:09:58.200 We got to give it to him good and hard. I'm pleased to see that the DOJ is investigating.

00:10:02.940 I do have confidence that the DOJ is going to do what's right and is going to get all the

00:10:08.520 information and all the evidence and nail these guys. Jail time. Jail time for the insurrectionists.

00:10:15.780 Need to have it. Because Joe Biden put people who were far, far less guilty, far, far less

00:10:25.920 plausibly committed insurrection in prison for years. So we got to do it. Because if we don't

00:10:33.160 enforce the law, then all we're doing is getting the left riled up and they're going to do to us,

00:10:38.340 again, what they have already done. If your fear is that we're going to shatter norms or something

00:10:44.000 like that, I think it's pretty clear the left already shattered all those norms.

00:10:48.000 So the only question is now, are we going to hold them to account? Are we going to hold them to their

00:10:52.220 own standard? Are we going to weaken them politically in accordance with the law and justice? Or are we

00:11:00.060 not? Or are we just going to rile them up? And are we going to wait for the next time they take

00:11:08.340 power so that they can do far worse to us? We're not just looking here at the governor and the mayor.

00:11:13.980 We are also looking at Don Lemon. Don Lemon, as you know, also admitted to committing crimes on

00:11:21.420 camera on Sunday. I don't know what these people, they're like a moth to a flame with the attention.

00:11:27.340 We're talking about it even with the live stream influencer club night that was going viral.

00:11:31.720 All right. They all want to be on camera all the time. And they admit to things that they probably

00:11:38.340 prosecuted. Don Lemon admitting to conspiring with a mob that invaded a church during a worship service.

00:11:46.020 And now he might be held to account, including through the Ku Klux Klan Act. We will get to that

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00:13:06.660 Fund Distributors LLC. Harmeet Dillon, who is the number two there at DOJ, Assistant Attorney General,

00:13:15.180 Deputy Attorney General, she came out very strongly discussing with Benny Johnson whether or not Don

00:13:24.100 Lemon, who insists that he's merely a journalist covering the invasion of the church by the mob

00:13:29.620 on Sunday, whether or not he's going to be charged.

00:13:34.380 Yeah, the Klan Act is one of the most important federal civil rights statutes, and it goes back

00:13:38.740 to the time when President Lincoln emancipated the slaves, and yet the southern states, Dixiecrats

00:13:45.180 mainly, were refusing to give them equal rights. In fact, you had sheriffs and you had law enforcement

00:13:50.960 harassing the newly freed slaves. So the Klan Act is a law that makes it illegal to terrorize citizens

00:13:59.080 to violate their civil rights, to get together and conspire to violate the civil rights. Some of these

00:14:05.140 folks who did this have self-identified. Don Lemon himself has come out and said he knew exactly what was

00:14:11.080 going to happen inside that facility. He went into the facility, and then he began, quote unquote,

00:14:16.700 committing journalism. And as if that's sort of a shield from being a part, an embedded part of a

00:14:24.700 criminal conspiracy, it isn't. Everyone in the protest community needs to know that the fullest

00:14:31.740 force of the federal government is going to come down and prevent this from happening and put people

00:14:36.380 away for a long, long time. Terrific. It's great. Obviously has to happen. What the mob did was

00:14:43.520 obviously in violation, as Harmeet mentions, of the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871, as well as of the

00:14:49.280 FACE Act, which is a much more modern act, which exists really just to protect abortion mills from 0.97

00:14:54.800 people demonstrating or praying outside of them. But as a little fig leaf they gave to the conservatives

00:15:01.040 to pass it, they said, look, okay, we'll protect the abortion mills, which is the church of the left,

00:15:06.760 and we'll also protect the churches, which is the church of the right. So yes, this is really all

00:15:13.620 about the abortion mills, but in order to get some votes to pass it, okay, fine, we'll also protect

00:15:17.980 the churches and stop people from demonstrating at the churches. But they never do that, really.

00:15:23.080 It's really just about protecting the abortion mills. So in any case, they have a good case here, 0.99

00:15:27.880 especially against Don Lemon. Because Don Lemon says, I'm just committing an act of journalism.

00:15:33.140 I'm just a real shoe leather journalist covering this event, but that's not true at all. It's not

00:15:37.740 that some event happened and then Don Lemon showed up and said, I'm here at the scene. I'm Don Lemon,

00:15:42.660 fired from CNN on, you know, lemonparty.com or whatever, I don't know, whatever his new news

00:15:46.580 website is. And so, hi, this is what's happening and we're learning all the facts right now. That's

00:15:50.660 not what he did. He rides up with these guys. He says, ooh, I know a secret. I know what we're about

00:15:56.680 to do, but I can't tell you yet, but just you wait and see, admitting that he is conspiring with them

00:16:03.300 not merely even to demonstrate, but to break the law. And then there are videos going around.

00:16:07.700 He's giving them coffee and donuts afterward. He's working with these guys.

00:16:12.020 And then he thinks he's being real cute and clever. He says, but I'm a journalist. Hold on,

00:16:15.740 wait, put the coffee and donuts away. Forget about that stuff I said about knowing the secret

00:16:20.100 and planning with these people. Now I've got my journalist now. I'm a journalist. That doesn't

00:16:24.860 work. You can't, you can't like go out and murder your wife and then say, I'm a journalist. No,

00:16:29.260 hold on. No, you don't understand. You can't arrest me. I'm a journalist. I'm just covering

00:16:33.880 this murder. No, you committed, you committed the crime. And then just like talking about it

00:16:39.780 on camera does not absolve you of the crime. Anyway, Lemon's got to go to prison. He's got

00:16:45.180 to go to prison. He is daring the government to throw him in prison. That's what this is all about.

00:16:51.000 Yeah. Come and get me. Yeah. You're going to do it. Yeah. You think you're tough punk? That's what

00:16:54.940 he's doing. That's why he's doing all of this on camera. One, he, after his CNN firing, he,

00:16:59.440 I think he wants some attention and he wants some money. I'm sure all of that's true. But as a

00:17:02.920 political act, he's daring the government to enforce the law. He's trying to humiliate the

00:17:07.860 government because he thinks that they're too chicken to do it. They have, the government has

00:17:11.940 to prove him wrong. Okay. Speaking of the Ku Klux Klan, you know, yesterday was Martin Luther King day

00:17:19.660 and I didn't see a ton of people talking about it. A little bit, a little bit people. But first of

00:17:25.940 all, I'm still salty because DW did not give us the day off. The secular saint of the liberal

00:17:33.140 liturgical calendar, a lot of the country gets the day off. We didn't have the day off, but I've

00:17:38.540 noticed having observed the major solemnity of Dr. King since I was a child, I noticed it's a little

00:17:47.240 less robust in its festivities as time goes on. People, I don't know, people just don't seem to

00:17:53.680 care that much. The libs were pouncing on Trump yesterday because they said Trump did not issue

00:17:59.080 a Martin Luther King proclamation. And these articles hit the news, but then you click on

00:18:04.900 the article and it said, here is what Trump said about Martin Luther King. And the White House did.

00:18:09.060 They didn't do it first thing in the morning. So then the libs said, ah, see, he hates civil rights.

00:18:13.720 But broadly speaking, I don't see the kind of fervor and excitement for Martin Luther

00:18:20.160 King that I did 10, 20 years ago. And I think that's to be expected. I'm not an MLK hater.

00:18:28.620 I know there are people on the right, actually on the left too, but there are people on the

00:18:31.880 right who are big MLK haters who went, Charlie Kirk actually was quite anti-MLK, quite publicly

00:18:37.720 anti-MLK. And I see the reasons for it. Because Martin Luther King is presented as this reverend,

00:18:44.400 you know, this Christian leader, but he didn't believe in the most fundamental aspects of

00:18:49.440 Christianity. He didn't believe in the Trinity. He didn't believe in the divinity of Christ.

00:18:54.840 He, I don't think he even necessarily believed in the virgin birth. So he didn't.

00:19:01.080 Now, again, you could say the same thing about many of our founding fathers. So this is one of the

00:19:06.080 reasons I'm not a huge MLK hater. To call him a Christian is kind of silly. He didn't believe

00:19:11.200 in the central mysteries of the Christian faith. But his view on the Christian faith was basically

00:19:16.480 the same as John Adams. And I like John Adams. So, you know, I'm not going to knock Martin Luther

00:19:20.120 King for that as a political matter. Then people point out Martin Luther King, he was an adulterer.

00:19:26.020 He, I think the FBI has it on file that he observed a rape and laughed about it in an interview.

00:19:31.520 So, you know, he had a messy personal life. And that's true. So some people, they say,

00:19:35.240 this guy, he was the worst and we hate Martin Luther King. I'm not a Martin Luther King hater

00:19:39.720 in the sense that he was a good writer. He plagiarized his thesis. So, you know,

00:19:45.860 when you call him Dr. King, he did plagiarize his thesis. I get what I'm saying is I get why people

00:19:49.960 aren't all that into Martin Luther King, but I'm not a big Martin Luther King hater because

00:19:54.060 as a symbol, he stood for something admirable. And really what it comes down to is not the personal

00:20:02.660 life of the man. It's not his academic work, such as it is. Letter from Birmingham jail is a

00:20:07.360 powerful, powerful document, but it's really the, I have a dream speech. That's that the King legacy

00:20:12.860 boils down to, I have a dream speech. And so the reason that I think Martin Luther King is much

00:20:19.360 less important now than he was 20 years ago is the left just openly rejects that the idea that you

00:20:26.200 won't be judged on the color of your skin, but on the content of your character, the left openly

00:20:29.480 rejects that. And Martin Luther King, who is a figure of the left, I know we sometimes claim

00:20:34.380 him as a Republican. He was a socialist. He was a figure of the left. The left now would reject a lot

00:20:41.300 of what he's famous for, but because the left rejects that, the right has to view it as utopian

00:20:48.720 because the abstract legacy of Martin Luther King is the, I have a dream speech. It's like one speech

00:20:55.820 that he gave, he gave other speeches where he was more identitarian, more socialist, but that's the

00:21:00.480 big famous one. And the practical legacy is all the civil rights legislation, which does not live up

00:21:07.900 to the, I have a dream speech. The civil rights legislation, which boils down to reverse discrimination,

00:21:16.620 largely a discrimination against white people or against Asian people, which boils down to, it's just

00:21:21.180 not, I have a dream. It's not, you're judged on the content of your character. It is, you're judged

00:21:25.320 on the color of your skin. And so because the concrete legacy doesn't live up to the abstract

00:21:30.940 legacy and because half the country, the American left rejects the abstract legacy, legacy, even in

00:21:36.820 principle, he's just not going to be one of these enduring figures. The reason is not because he had a

00:21:43.460 messy personal life. All figures in history have messy personal lives, some more than others, but

00:21:49.420 they become heroes of history or secular saints because of legends about them, because of what

00:21:55.380 they represent. The problem is harder for Martin Luther King because what he represents

00:22:01.080 is now rejected by half the country. And when it was put into concrete political practice, it failed.

00:22:09.320 That's the problem. So I don't know what comes next. Probably not Malcolm X day, Ibram Kendi day,

00:22:18.640 Robin DiAngelo day. I don't know. I don't know. In any case, in any case, I had to go to work yesterday

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00:24:16.580 to put off talking about Michelle Obama, we are joined by The Daily Wire's very own Mary Margaret

00:24:22.380 Olihan. A star of Washington, D.C., a frequent visitor to the halls of power who is coming to us

00:24:31.000 now at or around the White House, I think, telling us about Trump's first year in office.

00:24:36.060 Mary Margaret, thank you for being here.

00:24:38.240 Thanks for having me.

00:24:39.820 Good to see you. You're physically frozen on my screen, but at least I can hear you.

00:24:43.760 Where are you right now? I'm trying to make out what room that is.

00:24:46.840 I am in the Eisenhower Executive Office building. You've been here, I know,

00:24:50.620 for interviews with Trump officials. That's where I am today. And we are right across the street from

00:24:55.700 the White House.

00:24:57.260 Marvelous. So, Mary Margaret, we're just talking about how people didn't remember there was Martin

00:25:01.040 Luther King Day yesterday. And I think a lot of people don't realize it's the first year of Trump.

00:25:05.960 This is the Trump-versary right now. And you're getting, obviously, you get all the criticism from

00:25:10.460 the left that he's Hitler or whatever. But there is criticism from the right that's come against the

00:25:14.980 Trump administration. A lot of it, I think, very unfair. But the criticism, basically saying,

00:25:20.280 well, Trump hasn't lived up to his promises. He didn't do what we wanted him to do. Again,

00:25:25.200 I find it cynical and opportunistic. But what's the takeaway? What's the summary? What,

00:25:31.060 you know, now we got to take score. It's been one year. What do you do?

00:25:34.600 Do we lose it? We lost Mary Margaret. Well, listen, one thing I will agree with the critics on 1.00

00:25:39.840 is that the White House could improve its Wi-Fi. It could. I've been to the White House a number

00:25:45.220 of times. And the Wi-Fi is a little spotty. The cell phone connection is spotty. I think it's

00:25:50.980 probably for security reasons. Mary Margaret, we have you back.

00:25:55.120 I am back. I'm so sorry about that. I totally agree with you, Michael. I know you're saying that

00:26:00.160 some people are concerned about what the administration has done so far. But I'd argue

00:26:04.500 that if you look at the past year and all of the things that the administration has started to

00:26:09.300 check off its list, it's a pretty good amount of things for a first year in office. Trump campaigned

00:26:15.040 on immigration. He campaigned on fixing the border. He campaigned on fixing the economy,

00:26:19.560 on keeping our city safe. And a lot of those things have, in fact, been coming to pass.

00:26:24.980 If you look at how he's cleaned up Washington, D.C., for example, how the border literally has been

00:26:29.400 closed the entire year, the amount of deportations that are taking place. I know there's people that

00:26:34.320 want there to be more, but a lot took place this year. If you look at the Ice Enforcement

00:26:38.900 activities, his foreign policy, and he'll tell you himself, and he's told me and others many times,

00:26:44.360 he's ended eight wars across the world, maybe nine and maybe more. He's strong-armed and shown

00:26:49.800 the world how he means what he says when it comes to people like Nicolas Maduro. He's shown us all

00:26:55.620 over the world that when he threatens, he means what he says. And Rubio has emphasized this,

00:27:00.640 but now the rest of the world understands this as well. And then if you think about, I mean,

00:27:04.880 Michael, the things that we have talked about, you and I, Matt, Ben, everyone at the company for

00:27:08.800 years now, from the culture wars, keeping men out of women's sports, protecting children from gender 0.99

00:27:14.180 transition procedures, bringing pro-lifers who were imprisoned for protesting outside of abortion

00:27:19.020 clinics, all of those things were semi-rectified in the first month and a half of his administration.

00:27:25.620 So we did a big story on this last night and this morning for Daily Wire and kind of laid out the

00:27:30.260 picture of all the things the president had done in the last year. And it is no small thing. So,

00:27:36.000 you know, absolutely there are things that his supporters want him to continue to do. Absolutely

00:27:41.000 there are things that many on the right want him to improve on. One thing is abortion, which I know

00:27:47.360 you and I have talked about. Many on the right have talked about. There's many who want to see him

00:27:51.440 improve his protections for the unborn. But he's kicked off with a pretty good start, a very legacy

00:27:56.880 building start. And his critics would tell you that they're very upset with this first year.

00:28:02.680 And I think that's a good sign. That's a great point. You know, one rule of thumb is the way you

00:28:08.260 want to judge the success of a political campaign is how angry your opponents are. And the left is

00:28:13.480 apoplectic right now. It's funny, even as you're running through the litany of successes, the cleaning

00:28:18.520 up of Washington, D.C., I had totally forgotten about that one. I'm in Washington, D.C. all the time.

00:28:23.340 I fly in there quite frequently. And it's palpable. I mean, it's just unbelievable how far that city

00:28:30.020 had fallen. And that's just a minor point. On the deportations, I think you're right. You know,

00:28:35.320 there are some who are really trying to downplay claiming that Trump only deported two or three

00:28:39.300 hundred thousand people, the same number or less than Obama. The Obama numbers are cooked because

00:28:44.740 the Obama numbers include turnaways at the border. But but even by the formal figures, you got over

00:28:50.460 half a million deportations. Plus, from the Center for Immigration Studies and from the Labor Department,

00:28:56.460 you see the number of people who have left just by self-deportation. So, you know, it's potentially

00:29:01.500 up to like two million illegal aliens. I think Trump even claims it's more than that. So, you know,

00:29:06.200 that's a huge number. And then even just sealing the border. You know, we were told in the waning days

00:29:10.800 of Biden that he really wanted to seal the border, but he needed some new legislation to do it.

00:29:16.480 And that dastardly Trump was calling Republican lawmakers and telling them not to support his

00:29:22.980 beautiful legislation to close the border. So his hands were tied and the border was open.

00:29:26.640 And then what happens? Trump comes in and just immediately shuts off the border. And you realize,

00:29:31.280 oh, that was all just a bunch of lies from Biden. They did not need any new legislation whatsoever.

00:29:37.140 You see the same point on tariffs. They said, oh, the tariffs are going to destroy the economy.

00:29:40.640 It was going to be awful. They were going to be inflationary. What happened? The opposite happened.

00:29:44.020 The tariffs were totally fine. U.S. economic growth outperformed. And the tariffs actually

00:29:48.280 ended up being deflationary. So it just, I don't know, to me, I'm not saying it's all perfect and

00:29:52.560 tickety-boo. There's a lot more to go. We were in a very deep hole. But broadly speaking,

00:29:57.460 not just because I have affection for the guy in the administration,

00:30:00.500 it seems as though the admin has outperformed expectations. Am I being too rosy?

00:30:06.700 No, I would argue that you're completely on point, Michael. And look, a year ago,

00:30:12.540 right before Trump took office, we still had Biden as president. There were so many Americans who were

00:30:18.460 in jail over their political beliefs. That alone is a massive difference. And now you're seeing that

00:30:25.080 the president freed all of them pretty much immediately. And just that alone is a massive,

00:30:30.760 massive difference from the past administration. You no longer are seeing weaponization of the DOJ

00:30:35.840 against school parents, against Latin mass Catholics, against people who don't want their 0.92

00:30:40.900 children transition, against people who spoke out against child transition, against people who

00:30:45.520 spoke out against the Biden DOJ and FBI. So there's so many people who are no longer in danger

00:30:50.660 because of this presidency. And that alone, like I was saying, it's a massive difference.

00:30:54.660 But then if you think about Americans all over the country, they were actually proud of this

00:30:58.220 administration. They're proud of our foreign policy. They're proud of our posturing.

00:31:02.200 Now our military is cleaned up. There's no longer woke ideology at the Department of War.

00:31:06.620 Or Pete Hegseth is telling the generals to be fit, not fat. I mean, it's just a complete

00:31:10.960 culture change from the past year. And I think that's very evident when you look,

00:31:16.340 when Americans look around at the country that they've been living in. Obviously,

00:31:20.220 there's more changes people want to see. Obviously, people want their grocery bills to be smaller. 0.56

00:31:24.720 They want to pay less at the gas pump. These are things that are going to be ongoing. And the

00:31:28.100 president is promising that he's going to fix them. But they're coming down the pipe. That's what we

00:31:32.880 believe. And these tariffs, we've been told not to be panicants. We'll see how prices are lowered and

00:31:40.740 where the president takes things. But if you look at this on its face, I think Trump is happy with

00:31:45.660 what he's done. And I think the rest of the administration is as well.

00:31:49.540 Yeah, I agree. Even you mentioned the freeing of the pro-lifers. I mean, they're like

00:31:53.520 pro-life Catholic grandmothers who were in prison, political prisoners under Joe Biden.

00:31:58.200 And they were freed. I mean, that alone. And I had forgotten about it. And that's an issue I care

00:32:03.060 about a lot. You think about drug overdose deaths just dropping consistently last year. You think

00:32:08.920 about rents falling four months year over year. I don't know. It's funny. Thank you for this pep talk,

00:32:14.340 Mary Margaret. Because broadly, I think it's been a successful first year. But I had forgotten even a

00:32:19.820 lot of the highlights. And it drives me nuts. It drives me nuts when people from the sidelines start

00:32:24.780 throwing popcorn and just whining and complaining. People just don't appreciate how awful this could

00:32:32.460 have been. They don't understand what a precipice we were at and what a Kamala presidency would have

00:32:38.260 looked like. Anyway, I'll let you get back to it. Please give my regards to all of our friends down

00:32:42.200 there in the swampland. And I'll see you next time you're out here. Or I'm out there.

00:32:48.800 Stay soon.

00:32:50.020 Good to see you. Okay. All right. Back to how bad things could have been. Because I want to talk

00:32:54.340 about Michelle Obama. Folks, it is here. What day is it? We're two days away. Very,

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00:34:01.960 Thursday exclusively on Daily Wire Plus. My favorite comment yesterday is from Joe R. Joe U60,

00:34:09.060 who says, Lemon said, don't push me after he storms the church with protesters. Yeah.

00:34:13.940 What Don Lemon did was the equivalent of going up to that pastor, grabbing his wrist,

00:34:20.240 hitting him with it in the face, and saying, hey, stop punching yourself. Stop punching yourself.

00:34:24.220 Why are you punching yourself? Come on. Why are you doing that? It was so not only childish, but

00:34:29.660 in Lemon's case, actually criminal. And he needs to put on an orange jumpsuit and rot in prison.

00:34:36.220 Maybe he'll like prison. I don't know. Let's turn to Michelle Obama. Michelle Obama has just 0.98

00:34:41.900 gone viral on Martin Luther King Day of all days for arguing. Well, I'll tell you the description.

00:34:48.440 This is what she went viral for. You tell me if what she says matches the viral description.

00:34:53.940 The description for which you went viral was Michelle Obama tells people not to shop

00:34:58.800 at white owned brands. Now you tell me if what she said matches that description.

00:35:04.620 If I hear of someone whose fashion that I like, and I know that they're a person of color,

00:35:11.620 I try to make it a point. But the clothes have to be available. You know, I think we can all do

00:35:17.940 some work to think about that balance in our wardrobes. You know, what does our closet look

00:35:24.240 like? And who's in it? Who are we supporting in it? Right. You know, and I think if you have the

00:35:30.900 money to buy Chanel, then you have the money to buy everybody. That's right. And so let us be mindful.

00:35:39.000 I think would be my advice. Yeah. Okay. So actually at a superficial glance, just hearing what she says

00:35:46.920 verbatim, I think you would have to say that that description is not fair because nowhere does she

00:35:52.400 explicitly say, don't shop at white owned brands. Nowhere does she say shop at black owned brands,

00:35:58.660 not white owned brands. That's not fair. In defense of Michelle, I don't defend Michelle 0.68

00:36:02.740 Obama a lot, but that's not explicitly what she said. She said, yeah, if I see a black owned brand

00:36:08.320 and I like their stuff, you know, I'll choose the black owned brand. But she stops herself.

00:36:14.360 She doesn't say, and I won't buy. She doesn't say I only do it because it's the black owned brand. 0.99

00:36:18.740 She says, if I like their stuff. Well, yeah, if you like their stuff and you have the money,

00:36:21.560 probably you will buy it. But she injects this racial thing. She says, and if it's black, 0.95

00:36:27.160 then I especially want to buy it. And if you have the money to buy Chanel, not a black owned brand, 1.00

00:36:33.060 I take it, I guess. I don't really know the corporate structure of Chanel, but assuming it's

00:36:36.220 not. If you have the money to buy Chanel, you have the money to buy, and she stops herself.

00:36:40.740 She doesn't say the black owned brand. She says, everybody. Well, hold on. What she's doing here

00:36:48.160 is she's trying to privilege the black owned brand. She wants to be a racial identitarian 1.00

00:36:53.540 when it comes to the positive of buying, of supporting the business. But she stops short

00:37:00.080 of being a racial identitarian when it comes to not shopping at the other places. She doesn't say,

00:37:06.940 don't shop at the white brands. She says, you need to shop at the black brands and everybody.

00:37:12.180 You need to shop at the black brands, but maybe not less at the white brands. You have,

00:37:20.000 it's this gobbledygook, which is why ultimately I think that the description of the video is fair.

00:37:26.360 It just, it doesn't totally see, it's like the IQ bell curve meme. It's like, it starts out,

00:37:32.020 she says, don't shop at white stores. And actually she said to shop at black stores,

00:37:35.460 but to also shop at white stores, actually she said to shop less at white stores because her minor 0.99

00:37:41.160 premise here is wrong. She said, if you have the money to buy Chanel, you have the money to buy

00:37:46.260 everybody. That's not true because money is a finite resource. Just because you have the money

00:37:52.200 to afford one expensive brand doesn't mean you have infinite money. And furthermore, even if you did

00:37:57.420 have infinite money, you have finite closet space. You have a finite number of dresses you're going to

00:38:02.660 wear. You have a finite number of days of the week where you're going to wear the dresses.

00:38:05.040 This is the problem with the whole diversity ideology is if you privilege one thing,

00:38:15.380 you are necessarily disadvantaging another. This is the problem with affirmative action

00:38:20.460 is we all say, Oh, it's great. We should help out black people. We say, that's great.

00:38:27.100 Who doesn't want to help out? I mean, I guess there are a small number of people who don't want to

00:38:29.980 help out black people, but I, for one, let me speak for the majority of Americans.

00:38:35.100 Yes, it would be great to help out black people. Let's help out black people.

00:38:40.080 But affirmative action in practice means there's a finite number of spots at the university.

00:38:45.840 There's a finite number of jobs that you can fill. So when you give an advantage to black people 1.00

00:38:51.800 simply for being black, you are necessarily disadvantaging, discriminating against on the basis of race,

00:38:59.120 white people or Asian people in the case of college admissions. And so there's an injustice that comes

00:39:04.760 with that too. When you say, I'm going to shop at the black brand, you are necessarily saying at the

00:39:10.840 margin case, the last dress you can fit in your closet, you are necessarily saying, I will not

00:39:15.640 shop at the white brand. I will choose not, even if I like the dress, I will choose not to go into that

00:39:20.360 shop because that person is white. I will discriminate against that person strictly on the basis of that 1.00

00:39:25.800 person's race. That's what Michelle Obama is saying. She's saying it without saying it. 0.94

00:39:29.520 She doesn't really want to go all the way, but there is no other conclusion to reach

00:39:34.540 from her premises. That's the problem. This is the issue. I mean, this ties in directly with why

00:39:42.240 people don't really talk about MLK as much anymore. Part of it is that the left rejects him because he

00:39:46.860 was too conciliatory and egalitarian in some of his speeches. But the other reason is

00:39:51.940 the practical politics doesn't match the reality. I have a dream that one day we'll all be judged

00:39:59.600 on the content of our character. And okay, say his successors, in order to achieve that dream,

00:40:04.740 we need things like affirmative action. We need things like the diversity ideology. We need things

00:40:09.620 like DEI. But then in practice, that simply undermines the premise of the speech. We're going to judge

00:40:18.180 white people on the color of their skin. And taken to its extreme, we're going to try to abolish 1.00

00:40:22.400 whiteness or not shop at white-owned businesses. Which means that even if you agree with the premise 0.82

00:40:29.460 of the Martin Luther King speech, you're totally undermining it with the practical implications,

00:40:35.920 the practical consequences of that speech.

00:40:37.760 So for Michelle Obama, I don't begrudge her shopping at the black-owned business exactly. 0.75

00:40:44.820 But if you're going to, I guess my message to Michelle Obama is, if you're going to say it,

00:40:48.240 say it with your whole chest. Go out and go, actually finish the sentence.

00:40:54.020 You should shop at the black businesses, the black, and again, like, let's look at the board 1.00

00:40:58.300 of directors. Let's look at the stakeholders. Are we going to look at, is it 50% plus one is black? 0.93

00:41:03.200 Then you can shop there. If it's 50% minus one, then it's white or not black. I don't know how 0.99

00:41:08.520 to calculate it, but whatever it is, say it with your whole chest. Say, shop at the black businesses, 0.90

00:41:14.860 don't shop at the white businesses, if that's what you want. And if not, then buy the dress you like.

00:41:22.540 But she's not going there. Speaking of the nasty implications of leftist politics, 0.98

00:41:27.480 a lot of us, even social conservatives such as myself and many of you, would say, well,

00:41:34.380 we ought to be nice to people who have kind of weird sexual hangups. We ought to be nice to them.

00:41:40.000 We ought to be inclusive in as much as justice, you know, permits. We would all, I think we say,

00:41:45.920 I certainly say that. But the problem is the practical implications of those inclusive policies

00:41:53.420 result in a lot of injustice. Here's a video that was going viral of an Irish teacher being arrested

00:41:59.580 after he was fired for refusing to embrace the transgender pronouns.

00:42:06.180 George Brian Krieger knew what would happen. He knew what would happen today.

00:42:09.860 This is insanity. And it's abuse of power. It is abuse of power.

00:42:14.100 You're working with the high court. It's illegal.

00:42:17.660 You're working with the high school in the country. Workplaces, businesses. And he's abusing his power.

00:42:21.920 Working with the government. You will not accept transgenderism. 1.00

00:42:26.020 Abusing his power. Abusing his power. Abusing his power. That's what he's doing.

00:42:30.300 Refuse to use transgender in the cab car. He's a well-dressed guy. 1.00

00:42:34.360 And I don't believe in transgenderism. 1.00

00:42:36.040 Abuse of power. Absolute insanity. Absolute insanity what's happening here at Wilson's Hospital School.

00:42:42.420 Abusing a boy and girl and man and woman. Forcing transgenderism on them. Nobody accepts this. They don't believe this. 0.99

00:42:48.880 People don't want to be told what to believe in. What they must believe in.

00:42:53.020 And the cops roll up the window.

00:42:56.220 And they just drive away. Now, I think this was taken. He had already been fired.

00:43:00.400 He was fired. He was, by all accounts, a good teacher.

00:43:02.820 He was fired because he wouldn't call boys, girls, and girls boys.

00:43:05.560 He was fired for this. And he returns to his place of employment.

00:43:09.220 And they arrest him for it.

00:43:11.740 His place of employment is former place of employment. I don't know.

00:43:13.740 But that was, this is the consequence of that.

00:43:16.260 And it's funny. Someone made the observation.

00:43:18.700 I forget who it was.

00:43:20.340 One of the good Twitter accounts, though, made the observation that America is an empire.

00:43:24.940 And the Western countries, including Ireland, France, continental Europe, all these.

00:43:30.260 They're our vassals.

00:43:32.000 They're kind of our colonies overseas.

00:43:33.920 And so, sometimes what happens in America takes a little while to trickle down there.

00:43:39.940 And sometimes we move past these fads while these other colonies, formerly known as the sovereign nations of Europe and Western civilization,

00:43:48.440 that they get them long after we even discard them.

00:43:52.120 So, transgenderism feels like it's kind of over here.

00:43:54.680 The left ideologically still has to hold on to it, but they realize it's a total loser politically.

00:43:59.060 But even after we think we're past the peak of woke, which was maybe 2022, 2023, it's still peaking over in these other places.

00:44:09.080 You're seeing that now.

00:44:12.140 And it's actually helpful for us because the fever has passed for a lot of us.

00:44:16.160 But we can see it play out with a little bit more, I don't know, of a dispassionate view of it.

00:44:21.480 And you see just how crazy it all was.

00:44:25.500 And you see the implications of all politics, I guess, is what the left presents is this limitless vision of politics.

00:44:37.540 We can be whatever we want to be.

00:44:39.980 We can do whatever we want to do.

00:44:41.500 And it's all upside and no downside.

00:44:42.900 But in real politics, there's pretty much always an upside and a downside.

00:44:47.880 Because real politics exists in the real world, which has limits, which is finite, which takes place in nations which have borders.

00:44:55.020 So, when you privilege people for being black, just for being black, you necessarily disadvantage people on the basis of their race just for being white or just for being Asian.

00:45:07.860 You can't have one without the other.

00:45:09.940 In the imaginary liberal fever dream utopia, you can have one without the other.

00:45:15.100 But in reality, which is constrained by logic and time and space, you can't.

00:45:20.320 In the liberal fever dream utopia, we can indulge in all sorts of humpty-dumpty word redefinition.

00:45:27.580 So that we just let people be whatever they want to be in a different sex or whatever.

00:45:32.840 But in the finite practical world, you have to enforce limits.

00:45:36.280 Such that if you don't buy into the utopian ideology, you lose your job and maybe you get arrested.

00:45:42.260 There's a return of limits.

00:45:44.520 I think that's what we're recognizing.

00:45:46.860 That's been one of the big takeaways from the first year of Trump.

00:45:50.380 Is that, one, limits can be restored.

00:45:54.800 That was an open question at the end of Biden.

00:45:56.660 Can limits be restored?

00:45:57.820 Can we have a border?

00:45:59.460 Biden openly said, we cannot have a border unless you pass new legislation, which would have given amnesty and would have been a disaster.

00:46:05.960 We cannot have a border under current conditions.

00:46:08.760 And Trump said, we can.

00:46:10.780 We can.

00:46:11.580 We cannot arrest criminals in the streets.

00:46:14.300 Trump comes in and he says, we can.

00:46:16.700 We cannot try to gain advantages in trade.

00:46:20.420 We are simply slaves to the global market and international institutions.

00:46:25.780 Trump says, no, we can.

00:46:26.560 We can use protective tariffs.

00:46:27.960 We can renegotiate trade.

00:46:28.780 We can.

00:46:29.920 We can impose limits.

00:46:32.020 We can oust a dictator in Venezuela.

00:46:37.620 We can stop the Iranian nuclear program or halt the Iranian nuclear program.

00:46:42.220 Delay it.

00:46:43.180 We can.

00:46:43.740 We can.

00:46:44.080 We can.

00:46:44.320 We can actually say, no, stop limits.

00:46:51.380 And not only can we, but the second conclusion is things really improve when we do that.

00:46:58.540 Things really improve.

00:46:59.860 Like fast.

00:47:00.780 Like even I have here, this is what, is it ABC News?

00:47:04.860 I think it's ABC.

00:47:05.660 Yeah.

00:47:06.480 U.S. overdose deaths fell through most of 2025.

00:47:09.580 Rents, I mentioned it to Mary Margaret. 0.80

00:47:10.900 Rents declined four months in a row, year over year.

00:47:13.640 The tariffs end up totally outperforming expectations, doing the opposite of what most of the economists feared.

00:47:20.400 GDP outperforms.

00:47:24.240 Not only can we impose these limits, they can have real political effect pretty quickly.

00:47:29.300 Good conclusion for a first year.

00:47:31.820 Okay.

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00:47:38.260 What was it like, Merlin, to be alone with God?

00:47:55.460 Is that who you think I was alone with?

00:48:06.220 Merlin, I knew your father.

00:48:08.740 I am yet convinced that he was not of this world.

00:48:13.780 All men know of the great Taliesin.

00:48:17.200 You are my father.

00:48:18.400 Other gods should war for my soul.

00:48:20.440 Princess Garrus, the saviour of our people.

00:48:27.080 I know what the Bull God offered you.

00:48:29.640 I was offered the same.

00:48:31.600 And?

00:48:33.100 There is a new power at work in the world.

00:48:35.200 I've seen it.

00:48:37.240 A God who sacrifices what he loves for us.

00:48:39.980 We are each given only one life, Singer.

00:48:42.720 No.

00:48:43.820 We're given another.

00:48:44.620 I learnt of Yazoo the Christ. 1.00

00:48:50.000 And I have become his follower.

00:48:51.880 He's waiting on a miracle.

00:48:53.420 And I think you can give him one.

00:48:55.460 Trust in Yazoo.

00:48:56.780 He is the only hope for men like us.

00:48:59.720 Fate of Britain never rests in the hands of the great light.

00:49:02.700 Great light.

00:49:03.880 Great darkness.

00:49:05.320 Such things mattered to me then.

00:49:07.700 What matters to you now, mistress of lies?

00:49:11.460 You.

00:49:12.980 Nephew.

00:49:13.460 The sword of a high king.

00:49:20.300 How many lives must be lost before you accept the power you were born to wield?

00:49:28.060 So clinging to the promises of a God who has abandoned you.

00:49:31.280 I cannot take up that sword again.

00:49:34.060 You know what you must do.

00:49:37.560 Great light, forgive me.

00:49:43.460 The time has come to be reborn.

00:49:49.520 The time has come to be reborn.

The Michael Knowles Show - January 20, 2026

Ep. 1894 - Trump Launches Investigation Into Don Lemon

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