The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1923 - Did Israel Drag Us Into War With Iran？

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00:00:33.780 on Daily Wire Plus. Did Marco Rubio just admit that Israel dragged us into war with Iran?

00:00:42.940 The second question that I've been asked is, why now? Well, there's two reasons why now.

00:00:47.240 The first is it was abundantly clear that if Iran came under attack by anyone,

00:00:52.180 the United States or Israel or anyone, they were going to respond and respond against the United 0.75

00:00:56.580 States. The orders had been delegated down to the field commanders. It was automatic and,

00:01:01.120 in fact, it bared to be true because, in fact, within an hour of the initial attack on the leadership

00:01:07.900 compound, the missile forces in the south and in the north, for that matter, had already been

00:01:13.240 activated to launch. In fact, those had already been pre-positioned. The third is the assessment

00:01:18.100 that was made that if we stood and waited for that attack to come first before we hit them,

00:01:23.920 we would suffer much higher casualties. And so the president made the very wise decision.

00:01:28.920 We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action. We knew that that would precipitate an 1.00

00:01:32.920 attack against American forces. And we knew that if we didn't preemptively go after them before they

00:01:37.580 launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties and perhaps even higher those killed.

00:01:42.880 And then we would all be here answering questions about why we knew that and didn't act.

00:01:46.860 There you have it. Israel forced our hand. Trump had no choice. And this has all been a game

00:01:52.360 of catch-up since Bibi Netanyahu laid down the law. That's what Rubio said, right? Well,

00:01:59.660 not so fast. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:04:17.100 Rubio seems to lay it out, doesn't he? This video is going viral all over social media.

00:04:22.940 Rubio says, look, the reason we struck, the reason we launched a preemptive attack

00:04:26.920 is because we had very firm intelligence that Iran was going to attack us, our interests and our bases

00:04:34.940 around the Middle East. And the reason Iran was going to attack us the way that we know that that 0.98

00:04:39.840 is the case is because Israel was going to attack Iran. And Israel was going to attack Iran whether

00:04:46.080 we wanted them to or not. And Iran, we had the plans. We had the orders from the commanders.

00:04:51.300 Iran was going to punish us for what Israel did, even though we had no control over what Israel was 0.94

00:04:56.900 going to do. So in order to stave off the attack from Iran in response to the attack from Israel, 0.54

00:05:01.820 we had to launch an attack on Iran. So the conclusion is, Israel dragged us into war with

00:05:07.500 Iran, right? That's the conclusion that people are drawing from the clip, and it's a totally 1.00

00:05:12.900 understandable reaction. However, that little clip misses a lot of other context that Marco Rubio

00:05:20.420 himself actually gives. Here's the full context from Rubio.

00:05:23.580 The U.S. was forced to strike because of an impending Israeli action?

00:05:28.400 No, first of all, I mean, two things I would say. Number one is, no matter what, ultimately,

00:05:31.660 this operation needed to happen. That's the question of why now. But this operation needed

00:05:35.520 to happen. Because Iran, in about a year or a year and a half, would cross the line of immunity, 0.86

00:05:40.040 meaning they would have so many short-range missiles, so many drones, that no one could do

00:05:43.860 anything about it, because they could hold the whole world hostage. Look at the damage they're doing

00:05:47.680 now. And this is a weakened Iran. Imagine a year from now. So that had to happen. Obviously, 0.90

00:05:52.600 we were aware of Israeli intentions and understood what that would mean for us,

00:05:56.260 and we had to be prepared to act as a result of it. But this had to happen no matter what.

00:06:00.400 Very important context here, because if you only saw the first clip, you would say,

00:06:06.560 I don't know, you would interpret it as Rubio saying, look, guys, we didn't want to go to war

00:06:10.280 with Iran. We didn't want to strike them, but these Israelis made us do it. And we had no option 1.00

00:06:16.160 because we were going to get blamed for their attack, so we had to do it. But we didn't want to.

00:06:19.600 They made us do it. But then Rubio, in the very same press conference, makes clear that is not

00:06:26.680 what he means. He says, no, no, no, we were going to do this eventually. We were going to do this

00:06:31.140 sometime over the course of the next year. Iran was already getting much stronger. They were going 1.00

00:06:36.680 to have crossed the threshold of immunity, meaning they would have been immune to our attacks in the

00:06:41.880 future. Now, some people are hearing this, and they're saying, well, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:06:46.100 Last summer, you guys said that you completely destroyed Iran's nuclear program. So how can you

00:06:52.540 tell me that they would be close to the threshold of immunity six months later? That doesn't make

00:06:57.680 any sense. Either you were lying then or you're lying now. But that's not what Rubio said. You have

00:07:02.540 to pay attention to exactly what the administration is saying. They are giving you answers. They are

00:07:07.400 making a coherent argument. Some people don't want to hear it, though. He said that the advancements in

00:07:13.460 their missile systems would have been too great a year or a year and a half from now,

00:07:19.120 and that would have given them immunity. Not the advancement in their nuclear program,

00:07:23.280 the advancement in their regular conventional missile systems. The regular and conventional

00:07:27.740 missile systems, which of course exist in no small part to protect the nuclear program that they

00:07:32.900 had already made clear they planned to develop again. This is not reading between the lines like

00:07:40.400 Saddam Hussein 20 years ago. The Iranians were not exactly holding the ball or hiding the ball, 0.99

00:07:45.400 rather, on their nuclear intentions. They have been consistent for decades that they want a nuclear

00:07:51.540 weapon, or rather that they want a nuclear program that they insist will only be used for civilian use.

00:07:58.100 And there, I think, we can read at least a little tiny bit between the lines and understand that

00:08:04.180 they clearly want a nuclear weapon. So that was the issue. Rubio says, no, no, no. We were always

00:08:08.280 going to do this at some point. However, the fact that the Israelis were going to go in means that 0.91

00:08:15.240 this was the time to do it. Now, a couple of ways to read this. You could either read this

00:08:19.960 just on its face and say, okay, yeah, I guess the Israelis were going to do it, 1.00

00:08:24.580 and that kind of forced our hand. We were probably going to do it anyway, but that's why we did it right

00:08:28.020 now. Or you can maybe read a little more political cover in this. Because I think the way that a lot

00:08:36.260 of people are interpreting this statement, they think that Netanyahu called up and said,

00:08:40.280 hey, buddy, hey, Abibi, Trump, listen, bro, we're going in tomorrow. So you can do what you want,

00:08:46.980 but you're going to get punished for what we do. But we're doing it tomorrow. Sorry, peace.

00:08:51.340 I don't think that's really what happened here. And the reason I don't think that's what happened

00:08:57.640 is we have been gradually but severely building up our military assets outside of Iran for two

00:09:06.920 months now. So the notion that Israel gave us the heads up and said, hey, look, we're going in. Do

00:09:13.260 what you want. Do what you want. You're going to get punished for what we're doing, but do what you

00:09:16.160 want. But we're going in on Saturday. It obviously wasn't just that because that wouldn't explain the

00:09:22.420 massive and gradual military buildup in the Gulf for the past two months. Now, one explanation

00:09:30.360 for this is that it flies a little bit of political cover for the administration. We'll get to more on

00:09:36.500 that in a second. However, clearly, this was the intention of the administration. And there are a lot

00:09:43.480 of people out there, including Trump supporters, especially the online class, the podcaster class 0.97

00:09:48.500 of Trump supporters who say this is ridiculous. We were told no new wars. We certainly wouldn't go 0.54

00:09:53.260 to war with Iran. This is a complete betrayal by President Trump and by the whole administration

00:09:59.580 of MAGA and America First. If we had known that America was going to go to war with Iran,

00:10:07.080 we never would have voted for them, especially if we had known that we weren't even going to choose

00:10:11.740 to go to war. We were going to get dragged into war by Israel. We were going to have to back up 0.98

00:10:15.420 one of their attacks. Had we known that, we would not have voted for Trump. He's a liar.

00:10:19.920 This is a betrayal. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm not even going to focus on, President Trump has 1.00

00:10:27.760 been clear for 10 years that he's not going to let Iran get a nuclear weapon and that he's going to 0.66

00:10:31.040 oppose Iran. And he made pretty clear he doesn't like that they kept trying to kill him.

00:10:35.380 But let's go even deeper into the administration. What about the vice president? People are accusing

00:10:40.500 J.D. Vance of hypocrisy here, of lying, deception, hiding the ball. Let me rewind to the vice

00:10:46.560 presidential debate in October of 2024 when J.D. Vance was asked this exact question and he gave

00:10:54.960 this excellent answer. Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer

00:11:00.040 the question. Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe.

00:11:04.980 And we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.

00:11:08.720 I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question.

00:11:11.780 Whether you agree with this, whether you don't agree with this,

00:11:14.360 you cannot accuse the Trump administration of flip-flopping here. You cannot accuse the

00:11:21.700 Trump administration of hiding the ball or deceiving voters. They promised to do exactly what they are

00:11:28.700 doing now. The thing that they have been very clearly telegraphing for the past two months with

00:11:34.660 the military buildup in the Gulf. Now, what about this kind of a strike? Some people would say,

00:11:40.520 okay, well, it's one thing to strike Iran, but it's another to launch this massive offensive that 0.99

00:11:46.280 could destabilize the regime and topple the head of the regime. And surely they were hiding the ball

00:11:51.980 on that, right? Right. Let's go back to July of 2024 with the vice president.

00:11:57.620 The most important part, I think, of the Trump doctrine and foreign policy is you don't commit

00:12:03.100 America's troops unless you really have to. But when you do, you punch and you punch hard. I think

00:12:07.820 that's the way that you respect America's brave men and women who are serving. Now, let me say

00:12:12.400 something about... When you say that, does that, like, for example, how President Trump beat the

00:12:16.300 caliphate? It was overwhelming force and it was done pretty fast. How President Trump beat the

00:12:20.900 caliphate, beat ISIS, which people said literally couldn't be done, and he did it in a matter of 0.84

00:12:25.120 months. But also Iran, Sean, a lot of people recognize that we need to do something with Iran,

00:12:30.260 but not these weak little bombing runs. If you're going to punch the Iranians, you punch them hard, 1.00

00:12:34.840 and that's what he did when he took out Soleimani. By the way, that action, people said that it would 0.99

00:12:38.920 lead to broader war. It actually brought peace. It actually checked the Iranians and slowed them down a 1.00

00:12:44.480 little bit. We'll get into what is exactly happening right now. We'll get into the calculation,

00:12:50.020 whether it was a wise move to do this, to do it now, to do it. We'll get in. I just want to clear

00:12:54.360 the air, though, for a moment, because there's so much confusion among the right-wing chattering

00:12:59.280 pundit class. If you are surprised by President Trump's actions, by the administration's actions

00:13:06.360 in Iran, that's on you. You were not paying attention. They told you they were going to do this. 0.98

00:13:14.200 This repeatedly, in great detail. And then they telegraphed the buildup for the past two months

00:13:19.860 in the Gulf. So it's one thing to say, well, I just hoped they wouldn't do it. I hoped they were

00:13:26.260 just kidding. I thought that was a bad idea. Okay. But please do not accuse this administration

00:13:32.660 of hypocrisy, of contradicting itself, of flip-flopping, of being led around by a collar or

00:13:39.220 something. They were totally clear. This is what they campaigned on. And if you voted for them and

00:13:45.940 you didn't have cotton in your ears, this is what you voted for. Now, what we could still wonder is,

00:13:52.540 was this action in Iran? Was it Iran? Do we say it? Iran is how I grew up saying it. But then

00:13:59.240 Barack Obama made us have to get all cosmopolitans at Iran, whatever you want to call it. Pretty soon, 0.96

00:14:05.900 we'll be calling it Persia again. Was this just about the US and Israel? First question,

00:14:13.200 was this just about Israel? Second question, was this just about the US and Israel?

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00:15:42.120 Michael Knowles. Use code Michael Knowles at checkout. One of the questions that comes up, especially in our

00:15:48.740 dealings with Israel, which, as I've pointed out, it's a troublesome province. It's been a troublesome 0.98

00:15:56.340 province since the Roman Empire. A lot of controversies and things pop off there. It's

00:16:01.580 something about that part of the world. But you'd say, okay, well, is it only about the Americans and

00:16:07.440 the Israelis? Is this an issue of the Christians and the Jews versus the whole Muslim world?

00:16:13.260 I don't quite think so. Here is the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman,

00:16:20.680 talking to 60 Minutes about the Ayatollah of Iran.

00:16:24.900 You've been rivals for centuries. At its heart, what is this rift about? Is it a battle for Islam?

00:16:32.240 Iran is not a rival to Saudi Arabia. Its army is not among the top five armies in the Muslim world.

00:16:39.160 The Saudi economy is larger than the Iranian economy. Iran is far from being equal to Saudi 0.91

00:16:45.160 Arabia. But I've seen that you called the Ayatollah, Khameneid, the new Hitler of the Middle East.

00:16:52.000 Absolutely. Why?

00:16:55.480 Because he wants to expand. He wants to create his own project in the Middle East,

00:17:00.020 very much like Hitler, who wanted to expand at the time. Many countries around the world and in Europe

00:17:05.060 did not realize how dangerous Hitler was until what happened happened. I don't want to see the 0.99

00:17:10.160 same events happening in the Middle East. Does Saudi Arabia need nuclear weapons to counter Iran?

00:17:17.140 Saudi Arabia does not want to acquire any nuclear bomb. But without a doubt,

00:17:21.440 if Iran developed a nuclear bomb, we will follow suit as soon as possible. 0.99

00:17:25.300 So, you know, look, it is very simple. Iran sucks, is totally terrible. We hate them. We've been 1.00

00:17:32.840 enemies for a long time. They are weak and they are poor and we hate their guts. Also, the leader of 1.00

00:17:37.800 Iran is Hitler. He is Hitler. He wants to expand. He is a threat to the entire region and maybe to the 1.00

00:17:43.220 whole world. And by the way, if he gets what he says that he wants, we're going to have nuclear

00:17:48.880 proliferation throughout the entire region. But, you know, do whatever you want, America. It is not.

00:17:53.900 It's totally up to you. You do whatever you want. I'm just telling you, this guy, he is Hitler and 0.97

00:17:59.280 we will get a nuclear weapon. If he gets a nuclear weapon and the whole world will go up in smoke. 0.69

00:18:04.540 But, you know, but do whatever you want. Oh, by the way, he's also really weak and you could

00:18:09.240 totally take him out really easy, you know, but like do whatever you want. I don't know. My Saudi, 0.99

00:18:14.300 my Arabian accent needs a little bit of work, but we see the point here. Muhammad bin Salman,

00:18:20.600 the Saudis, obviously were in favor of this action in Iran. And so regardless of whatever you think

00:18:29.280 of this action, we cannot reduce it to some nonsense that you're seeing floating all around

00:18:37.860 social media, that this was haphazard. You know, this was shooting from the hip. This wasn't shooting

00:18:43.740 from the hip. The president Trump has been planning this for years. This wasn't just the tail wagging the

00:18:49.980 dog. Sometimes Israel does have too much influence in our foreign policy, but here it's reductive to

00:18:57.200 say this is just the Israelis who wanted this and we got dragged kicking and screaming. You have another 0.99

00:19:01.820 key American ally, the Saudis, who were clearly pushing for this. You now have other Gulf states

00:19:08.220 involved and you have Trump pushing for it for a long time. Whether or not you agree with the strike

00:19:14.340 on Iran, this was an example of brand strategy. And this was the point of my show yesterday.

00:19:19.700 I broke out that clip and it started to go a little bit viral because I don't know. People just don't

00:19:25.480 want to give Trump the credit. And to me, it's so obvious. If in the first term, one of your crowning

00:19:32.400 achievements is the Abraham Accords, which bring about a little bit of a detente between some of the

00:19:38.120 Arab Muslim states in the Gulf and Israel, which is widely viewed in the Middle East as an outgrowth

00:19:45.260 of the American empire. And they generally have not gotten along very well. If you can bring them

00:19:49.060 together in opposition to Iran, and then you reify that more abstract coalition with missiles now that

00:19:58.980 Iran miscalculated and started firing on the Gulf states, including Kuwait, including Saudi Arabia,

00:20:04.520 including Oman. So you get the Gulf states really practically in a kind of military alliance

00:20:09.780 with Israel and the United States to oppose Iran. You are reshaping the world order. 0.98

00:20:14.740 No coincidence that hours after the attacks on Iran, Russia picks up the phone. Russia says,

00:20:22.220 you know what? We're not going to defend our client state in Iran. We're not going to defend them, 1.00

00:20:26.280 whatever. And they even make some jokes about it. According to some reports, they say, well, look,

00:20:30.220 in Israel, a lot of people speak Russian. Okay, we're not going to get involved. We don't want to go

00:20:33.620 again. Don't worry about it. We're going to hang the Ayatollah out to dry. And by the way, 1.00

00:20:38.540 those security guarantees you wanted in Ukraine, okay, you got them. Just back off, okay?

00:20:45.600 China, obviously on the back foot, because the United States has just taken control of almost 0.85

00:20:49.480 20% of oil that goes to China from Venezuela and Iran. All of a sudden, you were seeing a 0.70

00:20:56.160 reshifting of the world order in a way that at least in theory, President Trump believes will

00:21:02.040 benefit America. It will achieve his grand strategic objective, which he has not been

00:21:07.780 deceptive about. He hasn't been shy about. It is to make America great again. That's clearly the

00:21:13.580 theory. There is plenty of room for skepticism of this particular strike. But what there's not

00:21:19.520 really room for is ignorance or deception or self-deception or fooling yourself that this was

00:21:26.800 an accident or just a fumble. This has been the plan for a very, very long time. Trump has been

00:21:33.920 clear about it. I said yesterday, putting all my cards on the table, I said, had I been on the

00:21:38.880 National Security Council, no one invited me, but had I been on the National Security Council

00:21:43.140 with only the information that was public, I'm not privy to classified information. We're starting to get

00:21:50.720 some information that the government apparently had with regard to orders from commanders about how

00:21:58.060 and attacks from Israel and this and that. So the picture is starting to get clear. But I said, if

00:22:02.420 I only had the publicly available information on Friday, I would have advocated strenuously against

00:22:10.460 an attack on Iran because I would have done the calculation. I would have said, I don't think that

00:22:17.520 the costs are worth the potential benefits. I don't think the risk calculation pans out.

00:22:24.280 As we begin to learn more information about these unknowns, the efficiency with which we could

00:22:30.000 conduct such a war, that's information that really the government is privy to, not so much the public.

00:22:34.680 And as we learn more about the timeline and threats posed by Iran, then that calculation could

00:22:39.280 change. But the key here is that is a calculation from within, not the isolationist, which is even

00:22:47.280 in itself a term of derision, not from the isolationist box of foreign policy, not from the

00:22:52.400 hawk, neocon, bomb every country in the world to spread abstract ideals form of foreign policy.

00:22:59.220 It's that middle box, the one that says we're going to pursue our interests in a pragmatic and

00:23:03.960 prudent way. We're going to make sure that we pursue material interests, and we're going to take

00:23:09.300 serious calculation of balances of power around the world. It's a little more realistic. It's a little

00:23:15.460 more classical. That's what's going on. And reasonable minds could disagree, especially

00:23:21.300 when people have different levels of information about whether or not the strike is a good idea or

00:23:25.980 not. But in terms of the grand strategy, I don't think there's much room for disagreement.

00:23:32.520 Okay, two other comments are going viral on this. One from Democrat Senator Mark Warner,

00:23:39.160 the other from House Speaker Mike Johnson, that are leading some people to think this was a big bungle,

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00:25:03.620 Knowles, K-N-W-L-E-S at takelean.com. Mark Warner, Democrat Senator, has this to say about the operation.

00:25:12.340 I said before, I say now, there was no imminent threat to the United States of America by the Iranians. 1.00

00:25:24.680 There was a threat to Israel. If we equate a threat to Israel as the equivalent of an imminent threat 0.52

00:25:37.080 to the United States, then we are in uncharted territory. Israel is a great ally of America. I stand

00:25:46.760 firmly with Israel. But I believe at the end of the day, when we are talking about putting American soldiers 0.87

00:25:55.800 in harm's way, when we have American casualties and expectations of more, there needs to be the proof

00:26:07.080 of an imminent threat to American interest.

00:26:10.600 This guy is such a slick politician. Such a slick politician. Because what he says,

00:26:16.480 if you're not paying close attention, it seems kind of persuasive. And yet, let's examine all the

00:26:21.860 points that he just brought up. He says there was no imminent threat to America. So he's contradicting

00:26:26.540 Rubio here. And more to the point, he's contradicting the reality that already unfolded.

00:26:32.680 Because Rubio's argument is not that Iran was going to attack us just out of the blue. Rubio's argument

00:26:40.500 was Israel is going to attack whether we want to or not. And Iran is going to punish us for Israel's 0.80

00:26:46.260 attack, even if we're not involved in Israel's attack. Because Iran makes no distinction between 0.91

00:26:51.560 Israel and the United States and views Israel as an American colony, part of the American empire.

00:26:56.020 Now, we know that immediately upon the attack from Israel, we know that the Iranians hit American 1.00

00:27:05.400 interests. So right off the bat, what Warner's saying is not true, he's using slippery language,

00:27:11.600 but it's not true. Yeah, I guess they didn't hit Detroit, but they did hit American interests.

00:27:16.040 We have interests all over the world. We're the global empire. Next up, he says, look,

00:27:21.680 there was a threat to Israel, but there was no threat to America. Okay, there was a threat to 0.74

00:27:27.480 Israel, and we should not conflate Israeli and American interests as if they're identical. That

00:27:32.560 I totally agree with. I think every reasonable person, other than the hawkiest, most neo-conny

00:27:37.820 war hawks in the world, would agree with that. But is that what's going on here? No, we were just

00:27:44.960 talking about the threat to Americans was in Kuwait. The threat to Americans was in all of our 0.99

00:27:50.920 bases, all of our personnel, all of our interests around the Gulf. That's what Iran hit. They also 0.99

00:27:57.360 hit Israel, but those are two different things. And then he goes in, so he says, basically,

00:28:02.500 Israel dragged us into war. These guys, they've hypnotized the Trump administration. 0.84

00:28:06.960 They have dragged us into war. Trump has no agency. It's all Netanyahu dragging him around by a dog

00:28:12.000 collar. But look, I totally stand by our great ally Israel. Oh, Israel's such a great ally. And this

00:28:18.820 gives away the game with what Warner's doing here. Because on the one hand, he says, these tricky

00:28:23.320 Jews are dragging us around, and they're killing our boys. And they're just recklessly putting us 1.00

00:28:31.180 into danger. But they're also a great ally. Well, you've got to pick one, buddy. Hold on. You've made

00:28:37.300 just completely contradictory arguments. Now, why? Because what Warner is doing here, clearly,

00:28:45.740 is not giving a sober assessment of the situation. He's lying about what happened from the very get-go.

00:28:51.220 What he is doing, and it's very clever, is he is exploiting a fissure on the right. He knows that

00:28:56.580 the Israel issue, much as it is a fissure on the left, you have the kind of pro-Israel establishment

00:29:01.940 Dems. And then you have the anti-Israel Democrat base marching around with Greta Thunberg in the 0.99

00:29:06.400 Palestine Keffia. Much as you have that fissure on the left, you also have that fissure on the right. 0.87

00:29:11.800 Now, the debate on the right is a little bit more balanced and nuanced. It's not all Greta Thunberg.

00:29:18.220 It's not all free, free, free Palestine from the river to the sea. There's a little eccentricity to it.

00:29:23.420 But it's traditionally been more of a sober debate over how much influence should Israel have on our

00:29:28.720 foreign policy? What are the benefits of the Israel alliance? How much money should we give Israel if

00:29:32.480 we give them any money at all? You know, these are all totally open for debate. That debate has

00:29:37.000 gotten a lot hotter. It's become a lot more radical, and Warner is trying to exploit that

00:29:40.940 while still carving out both sides of the issue. Oh, yeah, dirty, rotten, filthy Israel is just 0.99

00:29:47.840 dragging us into war and trying to get all our boys killed. But they're a great ally. We really love 1.00

00:29:51.220 them. They're a great ally. We stand with them. I stand with them. I, Mark Warner, am the strongest

00:29:54.880 supporter of Israel, the nefarious devil state that keeps dragging our boys into war. I stand with 1.00

00:30:00.080 Israel. Hold on. It's a little schizophrenic there, Mark, wouldn't you say? So that's one of the 1.00

00:30:04.960 statements going around. It's well done from a purely cynical political perspective. It's getting

00:30:12.940 the job done. You know, the various propagandists, both partisan domestically, but also around the

00:30:19.260 world are sending that clip around. So he did a good job, not in conveying the truth, but he did

00:30:23.840 a good job in advancing his political team. Now, the second clip that's going around is House

00:30:29.820 Speaker Mike Johnson, describing why this operation in Iran was not, as it appears, I think to most

00:30:36.500 people, an offensive operation, but was in fact a defensive operation.

00:30:40.380 To me, the most critical point is that this was a defensive measure, a defensive operation. And why

00:30:48.840 is that? I took some notes, and this is not classified, so I'll tell you what I think is

00:30:54.040 important. Israel was determined to act in their own defense here, with or without American support.

00:31:00.420 Why? Because Israel faced what they deemed to be an existential threat. Iran was building missiles

00:31:07.040 at a radical, in a rapid clip, to the point where our allies in the region could not keep up.

00:31:15.440 As you know, Iran has long vowed to take out Israel, wipe it off the map, and they have long 1.00

00:31:23.540 seen that as a critical threat to their very existence. Because Israel was determined to act, 0.53

00:31:30.180 with or without the U.S., our Commander-in-Chief and the administration and the officials I just

00:31:35.700 named had a very difficult decision to make. They had to evaluate the threats to the U.S., to our

00:31:43.300 troops, to our installations, to our assets in the region and beyond.

00:31:47.040 Okay, this is, unlike what Warner was saying, this is a pretty good argument, though it's

00:31:52.000 counterintuitive for a lot of people. Now look, we launched the first bombs. So doesn't that mean

00:31:59.860 this was an offensive action rather than a defensive action? Well, Rubio is providing

00:32:05.100 some cover here. And Rubio is saying, well, hold on. We knew that Israel was going to strike.

00:32:09.840 And we knew, with as much certainty as one can possibly know in war, we knew, the orders had

00:32:16.300 been given, that we would be attacked as a result of that strike. And we knew the strike was going to

00:32:20.740 happen. Therefore, our attacking Iran was a defensive measure, not an offensive measure.

00:32:26.020 Show me the flaw in that argument. Unless you just don't believe Rubio, unless you don't believe

00:32:33.720 the intelligence, which is, okay, fair enough. But then we can't even have an argument. We're not

00:32:38.120 even beginning from the same epistemological bases. Unless you just say, no, la, la, la, I don't believe

00:32:46.700 you. There's no flaw in the argument. So what Warner is doing is exporting a fissure on the right.

00:32:53.060 What Johnson is doing is observing a fact that gives the administration political cover here.

00:32:58.480 If this is an urgent, imminent, defensive action, it gives the admin a lot more cover,

00:33:05.520 legal and political. Totally right. Okay, one last point before we get to Bill Clinton talking

00:33:10.060 about sitting in the hot tub with girls and Jeffrey Epstein. There's this question that's

00:33:13.960 come about. Is this a just war? Is the strike on Iran, the ongoing strikes on Iran, are they

00:33:22.960 an example of a just war? And some people throw out the idea of international law. Some people throw

00:33:30.780 out the idea of the use gentium. Some people throw out the idea that there is any such thing as justice

00:33:35.600 in war. Some people are hardcore pacifists or peaceniks or whatever. Again, I refer you,

00:33:42.440 if you are tempted to be a pacifist on the grounds of Christianity, I strongly urge you

00:33:46.900 to read at the very least C.S. Lewis's excellent 20th century essay about why he is not a pacifist,

00:33:53.000 why Christians should not be pacifists. But in any case, there's a longstanding tradition

00:33:56.900 that going back to Cicero, going back to the pagans, but developed throughout the history of

00:34:02.600 Christendom and maybe perfected by St. Thomas Aquinas, the common doctor and the angelic doctor,

00:34:08.500 which says that some wars are justified, but they have to be justified on certain grounds.

00:34:11.620 And so just looking at this action here, we'll pull out a handful of the principles

00:34:17.000 that go along with just war, and we'll see if this qualifies. It has to be the last resort.

00:34:22.900 Diplomatic negotiation has to be exhausted. Now, we've been negotiating with Iran for a very long 0.88

00:34:28.540 time, and there are going to be people who tell you after 47 years of negotiations and recently after

00:34:33.800 six months of negotiations following a massive bombing on the nuclear program, very intensive

00:34:37.960 negotiations. And after many, many years of top-level American to Iranian negotiations,

00:34:42.740 there will be people who look you in the face and tell you, we were this close to a deal.

00:34:47.120 We were, oh, if we only had a couple more weeks, we would have gotten a deal with the Iranians. 1.00

00:34:50.900 I think most people, though, looking at the history of the last 47 years, and especially

00:34:55.340 of the last six months, will tell you, we, the United States, and especially Donald Trump,

00:35:01.680 did everything that they could to negotiate, and diplomacy failed.

00:35:06.560 The second qualification for a just war is it has to be waged by legitimate authority.

00:35:11.220 I know some, you know, some libs still don't want to acknowledge that Trump won the election

00:35:14.380 in 2016 and 2024, maybe 2020, but at least 2024. But it's a legitimate authority.

00:35:20.180 The U.S. government is a legitimate authority. President Trump is legitimately the president.

00:35:24.280 Number three, it has to redress an injury. Iran has killed roughly 1,000 of our soldiers

00:35:29.860 over the past 47 years, over the course of the regime. This goes back to the 1980s,

00:35:35.960 but you especially saw this, well, actually, it goes back to the very founding of the Islamic

00:35:40.140 regime in Iran, because the Islamic regime in Iran began by taking American hostages.

00:35:44.700 But then you had the Beirut barracks bombings in the 80s. You had hundreds of U.S. soldiers killed

00:35:51.300 by Iran in the global war on terror. And Iran was killing U.S. troops, three U.S. troops, just

00:35:55.400 two years ago. So this is ongoing. Clearly, there's an injury to redress, to say nothing of

00:36:00.720 the threat to the global order that the Iranian weapons program posed. A reasonable chance of 1.00

00:36:05.080 success. Yeah, okay. This one, reasonable minds can differ on, because they might say, well,

00:36:09.880 the situation in Iran is going to spin out of control, and it's going to wind up worse than it was

00:36:13.260 when we started. But I think looking at the United States military, the strongest military force ever

00:36:18.000 in the history of the world, along with the amazing diplomatic breakthroughs of President Trump,

00:36:22.960 because of the Abraham Accords, because of his good relationships with the Gulf states,

00:36:26.540 I think you'd have to say, at the very least, they have a reasonable chance of success.

00:36:29.940 The goal is to reestablish peace. Obviously, that's the case. President Trump is a business guy,

00:36:34.220 and he's a New Yorker business guy, and he knows that blood is bad for business.

00:36:37.600 President Trump, I think, has demonstrated over both terms that he wants to reestablish peace.

00:36:44.360 Proportionality, that the goods to be achieved have to be reasonable to the risks that you're

00:36:50.540 taking. Again, reasonable minds can disagree on this. I think there's a good case that it is.

00:36:57.140 And then, finally, number seven, you have to discriminate between combatants and non-combatants,

00:37:01.120 which the United States does. And ironically, which Iran does not do, because Iran had one foot in the 0.64

00:37:06.260 international order, one foot outside of the international order, and Iran was the largest 0.93

00:37:09.360 state sponsor of terror. So, a terrorism which, of course, does not distinguish between combatants

00:37:14.100 and non-combatants, between soldiers and civilians, and which targets civilians to achieve political

00:37:18.980 ends. Seems to me, what am I? I'm not an academic of any sort. I'm not a moral philosopher. I'm not a

00:37:28.020 theologian. However, just as a simple layman looking at the political situation, seems like there's a

00:37:33.720 decent case for justice in this strike. Okay, speaking of morality, I want to get to Bill

00:37:38.460 Clinton. Deposed, under oath. Not that speaking under oath has always meant that much to Bill

00:37:45.080 Clinton, but we will get his take on Epstein. What was he doing in that hot tub with those little 1.00

00:37:50.720 chickies? What did President Trump know about Jeffrey Epstein? What does Clinton know about Trump's

00:37:58.820 relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? We'll get to that momentarily. First, though,

00:38:01.760 my favorite comment yesterday from Pyro 5263 says,

00:38:05.920 Breaking. District judge overturns Khamenei's death. That's true. It's really, it's unfortunate,

00:38:12.980 you know, and I'm sure it'll go up to the Supreme Court, but yeah, according to the mainstream media,

00:38:19.280 I'm sure there's an article about this somewhere. A district court judge has brought Khamenei back to

00:38:26.040 said Trump, Trump had no right to kill him. So anyway, Bill Clinton deposed by the House Oversight

00:38:32.180 Committee. My favorite clip from the whole deposition, from the whole testimony. President

00:38:39.180 Trump, sorry, President Clinton answers the questions of these congressmen. It was James

00:38:44.700 Comer, it was Nancy Mace, I think Anna Paulina Luna. And then he's sitting there looking at the

00:38:50.800 pictures that they hand to him. Some of these girls, Bubba in the hot tub, hanging out with

00:38:56.020 Jeffrey. And he just lingers like he's taking a trip down memory lane. Do we have the clip?

00:39:03.560 Look at him. Look at his mouth is open. He's almost salivating. The lawyer goes and takes the pictures

00:39:08.660 and he grabs him back. Hold down a second here. Oh, there she is. Look at him. Look, you couldn't

00:39:17.640 make this up. Eyebrows go up, smile on his face. Oh, hey there. That's right. Mr. President, we have

00:39:26.440 about five minutes remaining in the majority's first hour. Five minutes. I'm going to need a little bit

00:39:31.340 longer with these pics. Some questions related to the crimes committed by Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell.

00:39:39.000 Sorry, he's not looking at him. Sorry, I can't. I got, my mind was on something. Could you repeat

00:39:43.600 the question, please? Could you just, um, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Some are wondering if Bill Clinton has lost a

00:39:54.920 step. You know, Bill Clinton, say what you will about Bill Clinton. The guy is super duper smart. Very

00:39:59.960 intelligent guy. Slick willy. Manages to sneak out of an impeachment conviction by questioning the

00:40:08.120 meaning of the word is. You know, he's pretty, but I kind of see this more as the DGAF phase of Bill

00:40:15.560 Clinton. Mm-hmm. He's even, jokes come up about this. Like, why did Jeffrey Epstein say you liked

00:40:22.600 young girls? I've never had any interest in underage girls. I didn't say underage, Mr. President. I said

00:40:27.060 young. Mm-hmm. Well, yeah, not that either, you know. He goes, is an intern young? That was one of

00:40:32.740 the questions. And Clinton just goes, yes. I guess you'd say that, wouldn't you? Mm-hmm. He just,

00:40:38.460 what are you going to do? What are you going to do for Bill Clinton? And by the way, because he's just

00:40:44.320 laying it all out on the table, including salivating over these pictures from the good old days with

00:40:48.400 Jeffrey, Bill Clinton has this to say about Trump's relationship with Epstein.

00:40:53.200 I hate this, because I don't believe I should inject anything. But I do not want to leave the

00:41:00.880 impression, since there was no follow-up question. He never, the president, never, this is 20-something

00:41:10.960 years ago, never said anything to me to make me think he was involved in anything improper with regard

00:41:17.240 to Epstein either. He, he just didn't. That's the truth. I, you know, as I said earlier,

00:41:29.240 the only conversation I had with President Trump about this was in the early 2000s. And I have no

00:41:39.680 information that he did anything wrong. I just want it all out there. I want everybody to get it

00:41:48.020 all out there and let everybody see where we are. Look, I didn't, I mean, look, I hate the guy and

00:41:55.620 he's terrible and everything, but he just didn't, he didn't do anything wrong. What I love here is,

00:42:00.920 I guess some libs, some of the people who are still contending against all facts that

00:42:05.460 there's a smoking gun about Trump in the Epstein files. There obviously isn't. If there had been,

00:42:10.880 Biden would have used it. They were, they were trying to prosecute him four different ways.

00:42:15.460 They were trying to kick him off ballots. They justified killing him. I think they would have 0.66

00:42:19.260 used it if they had a smoking gun from the Epstein files. But Clinton here, I think this is DGAF

00:42:25.200 Clinton. He's not trying to hide, you know, turning his intern into a human humidor. He's not trying to

00:42:31.400 hide any of his past predilections and vices. He's sitting there, you know, reminiscing,

00:42:38.100 nostalgic over these old photos with Jeffrey. And then he comes out and he goes, look, I'm just,

00:42:41.800 I'll be real with you. I don't, Trump didn't really do anything bad with Jeffrey. I don't,

00:42:45.660 look, I don't. We talked about it like one time and buddy didn't. Love it. Dems, Dems destroyed.

00:42:52.880 Worth it. It was worth it. The whole deposition just to get that line. There are also some videos

00:42:57.900 going around of Hillary Clinton just losing her mind and shrieking like a succubus from hell

00:43:02.620 in the deposition. Maybe we'll have time to get to that tomorrow. We're running a little short on

00:43:07.360 time. And I do want to get to one last point, vindicating actually the administration and the

00:43:14.540 conservative policies that we've seen over the last year, even as some people go a little weak

00:43:18.440 in the need. This has nothing to do with Iran. This has nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:43:22.140 This is in Charlotte, North Carolina, where a driver has just gone viral for trying to run over

00:43:28.320 a cop. Crazy. Look at that. For those of you who are just listening right now,

00:43:35.840 this is not even a light, light little tap. You know, this is a guy accelerating, but it's not,

00:43:41.640 it's not a huge car. It's just a little sedan. Thank God. I think the cop is okay. He rolls off

00:43:46.820 the hood of the car. But this is a reminder that for weeks we were told, well, we were told

00:43:57.080 conflicting stories. We were told that the ICE officers executed a poor, innocent protester in

00:44:03.580 Minneapolis through the driver's side window. And then when we saw that the bullet went through

00:44:08.620 the windshield, we heard, okay, well, the ICE officer executed a poor protester just sitting in

00:44:14.840 her car minding her own business. Then when we saw the car was moving, we were told, well, no,

00:44:19.000 they executed a poor protester for trying to flee a cop. Again, don't try to flee a cop. But then

00:44:24.400 we actually got the video and we saw that the wheel was turned to face the cop. So then we were told,

00:44:30.980 well, the cop executed a poor protester because her wheel was briefly turned facing him. And then we

00:44:38.940 got the full story, which is she hit the cop with her SUV. She hit the cop and he shot her. And his

00:44:47.860 shot was absolutely the correct thing to do. The person entirely responsible for that woman's death

00:44:54.600 was that woman. And the cop was totally justified. It's sad, but it was totally justified. And now when

00:45:03.260 we see other incidents like this, I mean, thank God that cop is alive. He didn't get totally run over

00:45:07.660 by the car. He easily could have been killed. Part of, and the cop would have been totally justified

00:45:14.940 to shoot that guy too. Part of inflicting punishment is not just justice. I mean, justice is part of it.

00:45:23.340 And I guess that is the most important part of inflicting punishment on somebody through our criminal

00:45:28.440 justice system and through our law enforcement officers. But another important part of inflicting

00:45:35.740 punishment is establishing and reaffirming standards. Part of what was so sad about that

00:45:44.080 lady in Minnesota getting shot after hitting the cop with her SUV is that she didn't realize that 0.95

00:45:49.580 was going to happen. She didn't realize that was the consequence of her actions. Her lesbian partner 1.00

00:45:54.660 started shrieking, why did the gun have bullets in it? The lesbian partner didn't, who was encouraging 1.00

00:45:59.580 the woman to be out there and to be provoking the cops. The lesbian partner didn't realize that guns 1.00

00:46:04.340 have bullets in them. And you might say, well, yeah, she's a crazy lady. Yeah, she's ignorant. 1.00

00:46:09.020 Well, no, not just, yeah, sure. But also we have been living for years and years now in a political 0.99

00:46:15.900 society that does not punish criminals, that lets criminals off the hook, that often doesn't arrest

00:46:21.320 them. When we arrest them, we let them out of jail immediately. We let rioters run roughshod and kill

00:46:26.160 dozens of people and destroy property. We let them attack cops and we don't do anything about it.

00:46:30.160 So then when President Trump comes in, when a conservative administration comes in and says,

00:46:35.180 hey, cops, hey, federal officers, we got your back, the rioters, the anarchists, they don't

00:46:41.800 know what to do. Just the ordinary libs who are living under these standards, they don't know what

00:46:44.980 to do. And part of enforcing the law is reestablishing those standards so that people don't put themselves

00:46:51.900 in those bad situations in the first place. Part of the mass deportations, part of the major show

00:46:58.460 forced to deport these people. Some of it is to get those specific people out, but a lot of it is

00:47:03.960 to tell the other illegals here, you got to go. Leave now or we're going to come get you, which is 1.00

00:47:08.280 why you had, now according to multiple sources, mass self-deportations last year. Probably more

00:47:14.420 self-deportations than formal government deportations. Part of that message is to tell the illegal aliens

00:47:19.640 who are at our southern border right now, don't come in. You're not going to get away with it.

00:47:23.140 So, this is part of what's going on in Iran. The United States, as an empire, has been declining

00:47:30.300 for at least 25 years and probably more than that. We have been declining and our adversaries

00:47:36.040 have been gaining. We were the sole global hegemon after the Cold War for the 90s up until 9-11.

00:47:42.680 And then after 9-11, things started to go a little squirrely. And you saw China start to rise in part 0.97

00:47:47.760 because of stupid decisions by politicians in the United States that Trump explicitly ran against, 0.99

00:47:51.740 like letting China into the World Trade Organization, by going soft on Russia, not playing Russia 1.00

00:47:58.580 properly as we saw under Obama and as we saw under Biden. Trump played Russia pretty well. Russia did

00:48:04.820 not aggress under Trump's watch. Russia did go invade and further invade countries under Bush, under Obama,

00:48:12.040 and under Biden, but not under Trump. You saw these powers start to threaten the United States,

00:48:17.980 start to threaten dollar hegemony, start to threaten our military assets, start to threaten

00:48:23.440 our interests around the world, start to move into places like Africa and the Middle East and Latin

00:48:28.360 America, move into places like Venezuela. And what Trump has done here and what he campaigned on

00:48:34.680 is it's a gamble, but it's a grand strategy. He's saying, no more. We're going to reset the standards.

00:48:41.980 We're going to reset the whole world order, and we're going to do so in a way that benefits America 0.97

00:48:46.480 and at least gives us a chance of being great again. Because right now we're on a steep slope

00:48:52.020 to decline. Will this work? We don't know. We don't know if the Iran gambit was a smart one. 0.98

00:48:58.540 No one can, anyone who's telling you they know how this is going to turn out right now is just making

00:49:02.160 it up. We do know that Putin offered security guarantees in Ukraine hours after the strike on Iran.

00:49:08.300 We do know that China has to come up with 20% of its oil right now. We do know, we do know that this

00:49:16.220 has flexed American power again, and it has put our adversaries on the back foot. And that's the

00:49:24.000 sort of thing, if you want to be strong and you want to be great again, that's the sort of thing

00:49:26.940 you do have to do. We can all argue over how we do it and when we do it and this way or that way,

00:49:33.640 but that's the thing you have to do domestically and on the world stage. Okay. Today's TEE Tuesday.

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00:49:59.960 Tomorrow, we make war.

00:50:04.100 I think it's a desperate plan. And foolish. 1.00

00:50:12.400 I would save my people from destruction. 1.00

00:50:15.400 So should you.

00:50:17.000 This new faith is glad of his judgment. He's waiting on a miracle.

00:50:20.960 And why do you tell me this?

00:50:22.800 Because I think you can give him one.

00:50:25.280 If I lead you into victory, Uther, the men of Britain will proclaim me king.

00:50:29.860 He seeks our deliverance from God when he could so easily just give it to us with his own hands.

00:50:37.160 Not long ago, you offered me the Fisher King sword.

00:50:39.860 I've always believed you were meant to be high king.

00:50:43.060 How many lives must be lost before you accept the power you were born to wield?

00:50:48.380 For Britain!

00:50:49.000 How are we to drive out 15,000 Saxon with only two and a half thousand men? 0.98

00:51:08.300 Today, Britain dies!

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The Michael Knowles Show - March 03, 2026

Ep. 1923 - Did Israel Drag Us Into War With Iran？

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