Ep. 1923 - Did Israel Drag Us Into War With Iran？
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Did Marco Rubio just admit that Israel dragged the US into war with Iran? And why did we do it? Plus, a special episode of Bar Fight Live from Broadway in Nashville featuring an anti-Trump liberal guest, Luke Beasley, and an anti war conservative, Alex Stein.
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on Daily Wire Plus. Did Marco Rubio just admit that Israel dragged us into war with Iran?
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The second question that I've been asked is, why now? Well, there's two reasons why now.
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The first is it was abundantly clear that if Iran came under attack by anyone,
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the United States or Israel or anyone, they were going to respond and respond against the United
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States. The orders had been delegated down to the field commanders. It was automatic and,
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in fact, it bared to be true because, in fact, within an hour of the initial attack on the leadership
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compound, the missile forces in the south and in the north, for that matter, had already been
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activated to launch. In fact, those had already been pre-positioned. The third is the assessment
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that was made that if we stood and waited for that attack to come first before we hit them,
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we would suffer much higher casualties. And so the president made the very wise decision.
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We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action. We knew that that would precipitate an
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attack against American forces. And we knew that if we didn't preemptively go after them before they
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launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties and perhaps even higher those killed.
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And then we would all be here answering questions about why we knew that and didn't act.
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There you have it. Israel forced our hand. Trump had no choice. And this has all been a game
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of catch-up since Bibi Netanyahu laid down the law. That's what Rubio said, right? Well,
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not so fast. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.
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Rubio seems to lay it out, doesn't he? This video is going viral all over social media.
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Rubio says, look, the reason we struck, the reason we launched a preemptive attack
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is because we had very firm intelligence that Iran was going to attack us, our interests and our bases
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around the Middle East. And the reason Iran was going to attack us the way that we know that that
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is the case is because Israel was going to attack Iran. And Israel was going to attack Iran whether
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we wanted them to or not. And Iran, we had the plans. We had the orders from the commanders.
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Iran was going to punish us for what Israel did, even though we had no control over what Israel was
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going to do. So in order to stave off the attack from Iran in response to the attack from Israel,
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we had to launch an attack on Iran. So the conclusion is, Israel dragged us into war with
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Iran, right? That's the conclusion that people are drawing from the clip, and it's a totally
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understandable reaction. However, that little clip misses a lot of other context that Marco Rubio
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himself actually gives. Here's the full context from Rubio.
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The U.S. was forced to strike because of an impending Israeli action?
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No, first of all, I mean, two things I would say. Number one is, no matter what, ultimately,
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this operation needed to happen. That's the question of why now. But this operation needed
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to happen. Because Iran, in about a year or a year and a half, would cross the line of immunity,
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meaning they would have so many short-range missiles, so many drones, that no one could do
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anything about it, because they could hold the whole world hostage. Look at the damage they're doing
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now. And this is a weakened Iran. Imagine a year from now. So that had to happen. Obviously,
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we were aware of Israeli intentions and understood what that would mean for us,
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and we had to be prepared to act as a result of it. But this had to happen no matter what.
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Very important context here, because if you only saw the first clip, you would say,
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I don't know, you would interpret it as Rubio saying, look, guys, we didn't want to go to war
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with Iran. We didn't want to strike them, but these Israelis made us do it. And we had no option
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because we were going to get blamed for their attack, so we had to do it. But we didn't want to.
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They made us do it. But then Rubio, in the very same press conference, makes clear that is not
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what he means. He says, no, no, no, we were going to do this eventually. We were going to do this
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sometime over the course of the next year. Iran was already getting much stronger. They were going
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to have crossed the threshold of immunity, meaning they would have been immune to our attacks in the
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future. Now, some people are hearing this, and they're saying, well, hold on, hold on, hold on.
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Last summer, you guys said that you completely destroyed Iran's nuclear program. So how can you
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tell me that they would be close to the threshold of immunity six months later? That doesn't make
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any sense. Either you were lying then or you're lying now. But that's not what Rubio said. You have
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to pay attention to exactly what the administration is saying. They are giving you answers. They are
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making a coherent argument. Some people don't want to hear it, though. He said that the advancements in
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their missile systems would have been too great a year or a year and a half from now,
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and that would have given them immunity. Not the advancement in their nuclear program,
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the advancement in their regular conventional missile systems. The regular and conventional
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missile systems, which of course exist in no small part to protect the nuclear program that they
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had already made clear they planned to develop again. This is not reading between the lines like
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Saddam Hussein 20 years ago. The Iranians were not exactly holding the ball or hiding the ball,
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rather, on their nuclear intentions. They have been consistent for decades that they want a nuclear
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weapon, or rather that they want a nuclear program that they insist will only be used for civilian use.
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And there, I think, we can read at least a little tiny bit between the lines and understand that
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they clearly want a nuclear weapon. So that was the issue. Rubio says, no, no, no. We were always
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going to do this at some point. However, the fact that the Israelis were going to go in means that
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this was the time to do it. Now, a couple of ways to read this. You could either read this
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just on its face and say, okay, yeah, I guess the Israelis were going to do it,
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and that kind of forced our hand. We were probably going to do it anyway, but that's why we did it right
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now. Or you can maybe read a little more political cover in this. Because I think the way that a lot
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of people are interpreting this statement, they think that Netanyahu called up and said,
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hey, buddy, hey, Abibi, Trump, listen, bro, we're going in tomorrow. So you can do what you want,
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but you're going to get punished for what we do. But we're doing it tomorrow. Sorry, peace.
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I don't think that's really what happened here. And the reason I don't think that's what happened
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is we have been gradually but severely building up our military assets outside of Iran for two
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months now. So the notion that Israel gave us the heads up and said, hey, look, we're going in. Do
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what you want. Do what you want. You're going to get punished for what we're doing, but do what you
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want. But we're going in on Saturday. It obviously wasn't just that because that wouldn't explain the
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massive and gradual military buildup in the Gulf for the past two months. Now, one explanation
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for this is that it flies a little bit of political cover for the administration. We'll get to more on
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that in a second. However, clearly, this was the intention of the administration. And there are a lot
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of people out there, including Trump supporters, especially the online class, the podcaster class
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of Trump supporters who say this is ridiculous. We were told no new wars. We certainly wouldn't go
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to war with Iran. This is a complete betrayal by President Trump and by the whole administration
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of MAGA and America First. If we had known that America was going to go to war with Iran,
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we never would have voted for them, especially if we had known that we weren't even going to choose
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to go to war. We were going to get dragged into war by Israel. We were going to have to back up
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one of their attacks. Had we known that, we would not have voted for Trump. He's a liar.
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This is a betrayal. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm not even going to focus on, President Trump has
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been clear for 10 years that he's not going to let Iran get a nuclear weapon and that he's going to
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oppose Iran. And he made pretty clear he doesn't like that they kept trying to kill him.
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But let's go even deeper into the administration. What about the vice president? People are accusing
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J.D. Vance of hypocrisy here, of lying, deception, hiding the ball. Let me rewind to the vice
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presidential debate in October of 2024 when J.D. Vance was asked this exact question and he gave
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this excellent answer. Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer
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the question. Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe.
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And we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.
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I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question.
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Whether you agree with this, whether you don't agree with this,
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you cannot accuse the Trump administration of flip-flopping here. You cannot accuse the
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Trump administration of hiding the ball or deceiving voters. They promised to do exactly what they are
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doing now. The thing that they have been very clearly telegraphing for the past two months with
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the military buildup in the Gulf. Now, what about this kind of a strike? Some people would say,
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okay, well, it's one thing to strike Iran, but it's another to launch this massive offensive that
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could destabilize the regime and topple the head of the regime. And surely they were hiding the ball
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on that, right? Right. Let's go back to July of 2024 with the vice president.
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The most important part, I think, of the Trump doctrine and foreign policy is you don't commit
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America's troops unless you really have to. But when you do, you punch and you punch hard. I think
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that's the way that you respect America's brave men and women who are serving. Now, let me say
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something about... When you say that, does that, like, for example, how President Trump beat the
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caliphate? It was overwhelming force and it was done pretty fast. How President Trump beat the
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caliphate, beat ISIS, which people said literally couldn't be done, and he did it in a matter of
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months. But also Iran, Sean, a lot of people recognize that we need to do something with Iran,
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but not these weak little bombing runs. If you're going to punch the Iranians, you punch them hard,
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and that's what he did when he took out Soleimani. By the way, that action, people said that it would
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lead to broader war. It actually brought peace. It actually checked the Iranians and slowed them down a
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little bit. We'll get into what is exactly happening right now. We'll get into the calculation,
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whether it was a wise move to do this, to do it now, to do it. We'll get in. I just want to clear
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the air, though, for a moment, because there's so much confusion among the right-wing chattering
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pundit class. If you are surprised by President Trump's actions, by the administration's actions
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in Iran, that's on you. You were not paying attention. They told you they were going to do this.
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This repeatedly, in great detail. And then they telegraphed the buildup for the past two months
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in the Gulf. So it's one thing to say, well, I just hoped they wouldn't do it. I hoped they were
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just kidding. I thought that was a bad idea. Okay. But please do not accuse this administration
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of hypocrisy, of contradicting itself, of flip-flopping, of being led around by a collar or
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something. They were totally clear. This is what they campaigned on. And if you voted for them and
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you didn't have cotton in your ears, this is what you voted for. Now, what we could still wonder is,
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was this action in Iran? Was it Iran? Do we say it? Iran is how I grew up saying it. But then
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Barack Obama made us have to get all cosmopolitans at Iran, whatever you want to call it. Pretty soon,
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we'll be calling it Persia again. Was this just about the US and Israel? First question,
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was this just about Israel? Second question, was this just about the US and Israel?
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dealings with Israel, which, as I've pointed out, it's a troublesome province. It's been a troublesome
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province since the Roman Empire. A lot of controversies and things pop off there. It's
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something about that part of the world. But you'd say, okay, well, is it only about the Americans and
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the Israelis? Is this an issue of the Christians and the Jews versus the whole Muslim world?
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I don't quite think so. Here is the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman,
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talking to 60 Minutes about the Ayatollah of Iran.
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You've been rivals for centuries. At its heart, what is this rift about? Is it a battle for Islam?
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Iran is not a rival to Saudi Arabia. Its army is not among the top five armies in the Muslim world.
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The Saudi economy is larger than the Iranian economy. Iran is far from being equal to Saudi
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Arabia. But I've seen that you called the Ayatollah, Khameneid, the new Hitler of the Middle East.
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Because he wants to expand. He wants to create his own project in the Middle East,
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very much like Hitler, who wanted to expand at the time. Many countries around the world and in Europe
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did not realize how dangerous Hitler was until what happened happened. I don't want to see the
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same events happening in the Middle East. Does Saudi Arabia need nuclear weapons to counter Iran?
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Saudi Arabia does not want to acquire any nuclear bomb. But without a doubt,
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if Iran developed a nuclear bomb, we will follow suit as soon as possible.
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So, you know, look, it is very simple. Iran sucks, is totally terrible. We hate them. We've been
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enemies for a long time. They are weak and they are poor and we hate their guts. Also, the leader of
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Iran is Hitler. He is Hitler. He wants to expand. He is a threat to the entire region and maybe to the
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whole world. And by the way, if he gets what he says that he wants, we're going to have nuclear
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proliferation throughout the entire region. But, you know, do whatever you want, America. It is not.
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It's totally up to you. You do whatever you want. I'm just telling you, this guy, he is Hitler and
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we will get a nuclear weapon. If he gets a nuclear weapon and the whole world will go up in smoke.
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But, you know, but do whatever you want. Oh, by the way, he's also really weak and you could
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totally take him out really easy, you know, but like do whatever you want. I don't know. My Saudi,
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my Arabian accent needs a little bit of work, but we see the point here. Muhammad bin Salman,
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the Saudis, obviously were in favor of this action in Iran. And so regardless of whatever you think
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of this action, we cannot reduce it to some nonsense that you're seeing floating all around
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social media, that this was haphazard. You know, this was shooting from the hip. This wasn't shooting
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from the hip. The president Trump has been planning this for years. This wasn't just the tail wagging the
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dog. Sometimes Israel does have too much influence in our foreign policy, but here it's reductive to
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say this is just the Israelis who wanted this and we got dragged kicking and screaming. You have another
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key American ally, the Saudis, who were clearly pushing for this. You now have other Gulf states
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involved and you have Trump pushing for it for a long time. Whether or not you agree with the strike
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on Iran, this was an example of brand strategy. And this was the point of my show yesterday.
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I broke out that clip and it started to go a little bit viral because I don't know. People just don't
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want to give Trump the credit. And to me, it's so obvious. If in the first term, one of your crowning
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achievements is the Abraham Accords, which bring about a little bit of a detente between some of the
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Arab Muslim states in the Gulf and Israel, which is widely viewed in the Middle East as an outgrowth
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of the American empire. And they generally have not gotten along very well. If you can bring them
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together in opposition to Iran, and then you reify that more abstract coalition with missiles now that
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Iran miscalculated and started firing on the Gulf states, including Kuwait, including Saudi Arabia,
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including Oman. So you get the Gulf states really practically in a kind of military alliance
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with Israel and the United States to oppose Iran. You are reshaping the world order.
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No coincidence that hours after the attacks on Iran, Russia picks up the phone. Russia says,
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you know what? We're not going to defend our client state in Iran. We're not going to defend them,
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whatever. And they even make some jokes about it. According to some reports, they say, well, look,
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in Israel, a lot of people speak Russian. Okay, we're not going to get involved. We don't want to go
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again. Don't worry about it. We're going to hang the Ayatollah out to dry. And by the way,
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those security guarantees you wanted in Ukraine, okay, you got them. Just back off, okay?
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China, obviously on the back foot, because the United States has just taken control of almost
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20% of oil that goes to China from Venezuela and Iran. All of a sudden, you were seeing a
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reshifting of the world order in a way that at least in theory, President Trump believes will
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benefit America. It will achieve his grand strategic objective, which he has not been
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deceptive about. He hasn't been shy about. It is to make America great again. That's clearly the
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theory. There is plenty of room for skepticism of this particular strike. But what there's not
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really room for is ignorance or deception or self-deception or fooling yourself that this was
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an accident or just a fumble. This has been the plan for a very, very long time. Trump has been
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clear about it. I said yesterday, putting all my cards on the table, I said, had I been on the
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National Security Council, no one invited me, but had I been on the National Security Council
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with only the information that was public, I'm not privy to classified information. We're starting to get
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some information that the government apparently had with regard to orders from commanders about how
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and attacks from Israel and this and that. So the picture is starting to get clear. But I said, if
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I only had the publicly available information on Friday, I would have advocated strenuously against
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an attack on Iran because I would have done the calculation. I would have said, I don't think that
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the costs are worth the potential benefits. I don't think the risk calculation pans out.
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As we begin to learn more information about these unknowns, the efficiency with which we could
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conduct such a war, that's information that really the government is privy to, not so much the public.
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And as we learn more about the timeline and threats posed by Iran, then that calculation could
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change. But the key here is that is a calculation from within, not the isolationist, which is even
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in itself a term of derision, not from the isolationist box of foreign policy, not from the
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hawk, neocon, bomb every country in the world to spread abstract ideals form of foreign policy.
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It's that middle box, the one that says we're going to pursue our interests in a pragmatic and
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prudent way. We're going to make sure that we pursue material interests, and we're going to take
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serious calculation of balances of power around the world. It's a little more realistic. It's a little
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more classical. That's what's going on. And reasonable minds could disagree, especially
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when people have different levels of information about whether or not the strike is a good idea or
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not. But in terms of the grand strategy, I don't think there's much room for disagreement.
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Okay, two other comments are going viral on this. One from Democrat Senator Mark Warner,
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the other from House Speaker Mike Johnson, that are leading some people to think this was a big bungle,
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I said before, I say now, there was no imminent threat to the United States of America by the Iranians.
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There was a threat to Israel. If we equate a threat to Israel as the equivalent of an imminent threat
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to the United States, then we are in uncharted territory. Israel is a great ally of America. I stand
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firmly with Israel. But I believe at the end of the day, when we are talking about putting American soldiers
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in harm's way, when we have American casualties and expectations of more, there needs to be the proof
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This guy is such a slick politician. Such a slick politician. Because what he says,
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if you're not paying close attention, it seems kind of persuasive. And yet, let's examine all the
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points that he just brought up. He says there was no imminent threat to America. So he's contradicting
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Rubio here. And more to the point, he's contradicting the reality that already unfolded.
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Because Rubio's argument is not that Iran was going to attack us just out of the blue. Rubio's argument
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was Israel is going to attack whether we want to or not. And Iran is going to punish us for Israel's
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attack, even if we're not involved in Israel's attack. Because Iran makes no distinction between
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Israel and the United States and views Israel as an American colony, part of the American empire.
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Now, we know that immediately upon the attack from Israel, we know that the Iranians hit American
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interests. So right off the bat, what Warner's saying is not true, he's using slippery language,
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but it's not true. Yeah, I guess they didn't hit Detroit, but they did hit American interests.
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We have interests all over the world. We're the global empire. Next up, he says, look,
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there was a threat to Israel, but there was no threat to America. Okay, there was a threat to
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Israel, and we should not conflate Israeli and American interests as if they're identical. That
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I totally agree with. I think every reasonable person, other than the hawkiest, most neo-conny
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war hawks in the world, would agree with that. But is that what's going on here? No, we were just
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talking about the threat to Americans was in Kuwait. The threat to Americans was in all of our
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bases, all of our personnel, all of our interests around the Gulf. That's what Iran hit. They also
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hit Israel, but those are two different things. And then he goes in, so he says, basically,
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Israel dragged us into war. These guys, they've hypnotized the Trump administration.
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They have dragged us into war. Trump has no agency. It's all Netanyahu dragging him around by a dog
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collar. But look, I totally stand by our great ally Israel. Oh, Israel's such a great ally. And this
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gives away the game with what Warner's doing here. Because on the one hand, he says, these tricky
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Jews are dragging us around, and they're killing our boys. And they're just recklessly putting us
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into danger. But they're also a great ally. Well, you've got to pick one, buddy. Hold on. You've made
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just completely contradictory arguments. Now, why? Because what Warner is doing here, clearly,
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is not giving a sober assessment of the situation. He's lying about what happened from the very get-go.
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What he is doing, and it's very clever, is he is exploiting a fissure on the right. He knows that
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the Israel issue, much as it is a fissure on the left, you have the kind of pro-Israel establishment
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Dems. And then you have the anti-Israel Democrat base marching around with Greta Thunberg in the
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Palestine Keffia. Much as you have that fissure on the left, you also have that fissure on the right.
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Now, the debate on the right is a little bit more balanced and nuanced. It's not all Greta Thunberg.
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It's not all free, free, free Palestine from the river to the sea. There's a little eccentricity to it.
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But it's traditionally been more of a sober debate over how much influence should Israel have on our
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foreign policy? What are the benefits of the Israel alliance? How much money should we give Israel if
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we give them any money at all? You know, these are all totally open for debate. That debate has
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gotten a lot hotter. It's become a lot more radical, and Warner is trying to exploit that
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while still carving out both sides of the issue. Oh, yeah, dirty, rotten, filthy Israel is just
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dragging us into war and trying to get all our boys killed. But they're a great ally. We really love
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them. They're a great ally. We stand with them. I stand with them. I, Mark Warner, am the strongest
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supporter of Israel, the nefarious devil state that keeps dragging our boys into war. I stand with
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Israel. Hold on. It's a little schizophrenic there, Mark, wouldn't you say? So that's one of the
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statements going around. It's well done from a purely cynical political perspective. It's getting
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the job done. You know, the various propagandists, both partisan domestically, but also around the
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world are sending that clip around. So he did a good job, not in conveying the truth, but he did
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a good job in advancing his political team. Now, the second clip that's going around is House
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Speaker Mike Johnson, describing why this operation in Iran was not, as it appears, I think to most
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people, an offensive operation, but was in fact a defensive operation.
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To me, the most critical point is that this was a defensive measure, a defensive operation. And why
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is that? I took some notes, and this is not classified, so I'll tell you what I think is
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important. Israel was determined to act in their own defense here, with or without American support.
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Why? Because Israel faced what they deemed to be an existential threat. Iran was building missiles
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at a radical, in a rapid clip, to the point where our allies in the region could not keep up.
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As you know, Iran has long vowed to take out Israel, wipe it off the map, and they have long
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seen that as a critical threat to their very existence. Because Israel was determined to act,
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with or without the U.S., our Commander-in-Chief and the administration and the officials I just
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named had a very difficult decision to make. They had to evaluate the threats to the U.S., to our
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troops, to our installations, to our assets in the region and beyond.
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Okay, this is, unlike what Warner was saying, this is a pretty good argument, though it's
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counterintuitive for a lot of people. Now look, we launched the first bombs. So doesn't that mean
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this was an offensive action rather than a defensive action? Well, Rubio is providing
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some cover here. And Rubio is saying, well, hold on. We knew that Israel was going to strike.
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And we knew, with as much certainty as one can possibly know in war, we knew, the orders had
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been given, that we would be attacked as a result of that strike. And we knew the strike was going to
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happen. Therefore, our attacking Iran was a defensive measure, not an offensive measure.
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Show me the flaw in that argument. Unless you just don't believe Rubio, unless you don't believe
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the intelligence, which is, okay, fair enough. But then we can't even have an argument. We're not
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even beginning from the same epistemological bases. Unless you just say, no, la, la, la, I don't believe
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you. There's no flaw in the argument. So what Warner is doing is exporting a fissure on the right.
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What Johnson is doing is observing a fact that gives the administration political cover here.
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If this is an urgent, imminent, defensive action, it gives the admin a lot more cover,
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legal and political. Totally right. Okay, one last point before we get to Bill Clinton talking
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about sitting in the hot tub with girls and Jeffrey Epstein. There's this question that's
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come about. Is this a just war? Is the strike on Iran, the ongoing strikes on Iran, are they
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an example of a just war? And some people throw out the idea of international law. Some people throw
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out the idea of the use gentium. Some people throw out the idea that there is any such thing as justice
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in war. Some people are hardcore pacifists or peaceniks or whatever. Again, I refer you,
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if you are tempted to be a pacifist on the grounds of Christianity, I strongly urge you
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to read at the very least C.S. Lewis's excellent 20th century essay about why he is not a pacifist,
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why Christians should not be pacifists. But in any case, there's a longstanding tradition
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that going back to Cicero, going back to the pagans, but developed throughout the history of
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Christendom and maybe perfected by St. Thomas Aquinas, the common doctor and the angelic doctor,
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which says that some wars are justified, but they have to be justified on certain grounds.
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And so just looking at this action here, we'll pull out a handful of the principles
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that go along with just war, and we'll see if this qualifies. It has to be the last resort.
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Diplomatic negotiation has to be exhausted. Now, we've been negotiating with Iran for a very long
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time, and there are going to be people who tell you after 47 years of negotiations and recently after
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six months of negotiations following a massive bombing on the nuclear program, very intensive
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negotiations. And after many, many years of top-level American to Iranian negotiations,
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there will be people who look you in the face and tell you, we were this close to a deal.
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We were, oh, if we only had a couple more weeks, we would have gotten a deal with the Iranians.
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I think most people, though, looking at the history of the last 47 years, and especially
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of the last six months, will tell you, we, the United States, and especially Donald Trump,
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did everything that they could to negotiate, and diplomacy failed.
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The second qualification for a just war is it has to be waged by legitimate authority.
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I know some, you know, some libs still don't want to acknowledge that Trump won the election
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in 2016 and 2024, maybe 2020, but at least 2024. But it's a legitimate authority.
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The U.S. government is a legitimate authority. President Trump is legitimately the president.
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Number three, it has to redress an injury. Iran has killed roughly 1,000 of our soldiers
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over the past 47 years, over the course of the regime. This goes back to the 1980s,
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but you especially saw this, well, actually, it goes back to the very founding of the Islamic
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regime in Iran, because the Islamic regime in Iran began by taking American hostages.
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But then you had the Beirut barracks bombings in the 80s. You had hundreds of U.S. soldiers killed
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by Iran in the global war on terror. And Iran was killing U.S. troops, three U.S. troops, just
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two years ago. So this is ongoing. Clearly, there's an injury to redress, to say nothing of
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the threat to the global order that the Iranian weapons program posed. A reasonable chance of
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success. Yeah, okay. This one, reasonable minds can differ on, because they might say, well,
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the situation in Iran is going to spin out of control, and it's going to wind up worse than it was
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when we started. But I think looking at the United States military, the strongest military force ever
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in the history of the world, along with the amazing diplomatic breakthroughs of President Trump,
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because of the Abraham Accords, because of his good relationships with the Gulf states,
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I think you'd have to say, at the very least, they have a reasonable chance of success.
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The goal is to reestablish peace. Obviously, that's the case. President Trump is a business guy,
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and he's a New Yorker business guy, and he knows that blood is bad for business.
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President Trump, I think, has demonstrated over both terms that he wants to reestablish peace.
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Proportionality, that the goods to be achieved have to be reasonable to the risks that you're
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taking. Again, reasonable minds can disagree on this. I think there's a good case that it is.
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And then, finally, number seven, you have to discriminate between combatants and non-combatants,
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which the United States does. And ironically, which Iran does not do, because Iran had one foot in the
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international order, one foot outside of the international order, and Iran was the largest
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state sponsor of terror. So, a terrorism which, of course, does not distinguish between combatants
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and non-combatants, between soldiers and civilians, and which targets civilians to achieve political
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ends. Seems to me, what am I? I'm not an academic of any sort. I'm not a moral philosopher. I'm not a
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theologian. However, just as a simple layman looking at the political situation, seems like there's a
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decent case for justice in this strike. Okay, speaking of morality, I want to get to Bill
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Clinton. Deposed, under oath. Not that speaking under oath has always meant that much to Bill
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Clinton, but we will get his take on Epstein. What was he doing in that hot tub with those little
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chickies? What did President Trump know about Jeffrey Epstein? What does Clinton know about Trump's
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relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? We'll get to that momentarily. First, though,
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my favorite comment yesterday from Pyro 5263 says,
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Breaking. District judge overturns Khamenei's death. That's true. It's really, it's unfortunate,
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you know, and I'm sure it'll go up to the Supreme Court, but yeah, according to the mainstream media,
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I'm sure there's an article about this somewhere. A district court judge has brought Khamenei back to
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said Trump, Trump had no right to kill him. So anyway, Bill Clinton deposed by the House Oversight
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Committee. My favorite clip from the whole deposition, from the whole testimony. President
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Trump, sorry, President Clinton answers the questions of these congressmen. It was James
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Comer, it was Nancy Mace, I think Anna Paulina Luna. And then he's sitting there looking at the
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pictures that they hand to him. Some of these girls, Bubba in the hot tub, hanging out with
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Jeffrey. And he just lingers like he's taking a trip down memory lane. Do we have the clip?
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Look at him. Look at his mouth is open. He's almost salivating. The lawyer goes and takes the pictures
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and he grabs him back. Hold down a second here. Oh, there she is. Look at him. Look, you couldn't
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make this up. Eyebrows go up, smile on his face. Oh, hey there. That's right. Mr. President, we have
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about five minutes remaining in the majority's first hour. Five minutes. I'm going to need a little bit
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longer with these pics. Some questions related to the crimes committed by Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell.
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Sorry, he's not looking at him. Sorry, I can't. I got, my mind was on something. Could you repeat
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the question, please? Could you just, um, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Some are wondering if Bill Clinton has lost a
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step. You know, Bill Clinton, say what you will about Bill Clinton. The guy is super duper smart. Very
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intelligent guy. Slick willy. Manages to sneak out of an impeachment conviction by questioning the
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meaning of the word is. You know, he's pretty, but I kind of see this more as the DGAF phase of Bill
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Clinton. Mm-hmm. He's even, jokes come up about this. Like, why did Jeffrey Epstein say you liked
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young girls? I've never had any interest in underage girls. I didn't say underage, Mr. President. I said
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young. Mm-hmm. Well, yeah, not that either, you know. He goes, is an intern young? That was one of
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the questions. And Clinton just goes, yes. I guess you'd say that, wouldn't you? Mm-hmm. He just,
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what are you going to do? What are you going to do for Bill Clinton? And by the way, because he's just
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laying it all out on the table, including salivating over these pictures from the good old days with
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Jeffrey, Bill Clinton has this to say about Trump's relationship with Epstein.
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I hate this, because I don't believe I should inject anything. But I do not want to leave the
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impression, since there was no follow-up question. He never, the president, never, this is 20-something
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years ago, never said anything to me to make me think he was involved in anything improper with regard
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to Epstein either. He, he just didn't. That's the truth. I, you know, as I said earlier,
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the only conversation I had with President Trump about this was in the early 2000s. And I have no
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information that he did anything wrong. I just want it all out there. I want everybody to get it
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all out there and let everybody see where we are. Look, I didn't, I mean, look, I hate the guy and
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he's terrible and everything, but he just didn't, he didn't do anything wrong. What I love here is,
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I guess some libs, some of the people who are still contending against all facts that
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there's a smoking gun about Trump in the Epstein files. There obviously isn't. If there had been,
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Biden would have used it. They were, they were trying to prosecute him four different ways.
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They were trying to kick him off ballots. They justified killing him. I think they would have
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used it if they had a smoking gun from the Epstein files. But Clinton here, I think this is DGAF
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Clinton. He's not trying to hide, you know, turning his intern into a human humidor. He's not trying to
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hide any of his past predilections and vices. He's sitting there, you know, reminiscing,
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nostalgic over these old photos with Jeffrey. And then he comes out and he goes, look, I'm just,
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I'll be real with you. I don't, Trump didn't really do anything bad with Jeffrey. I don't,
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look, I don't. We talked about it like one time and buddy didn't. Love it. Dems, Dems destroyed.
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Worth it. It was worth it. The whole deposition just to get that line. There are also some videos
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going around of Hillary Clinton just losing her mind and shrieking like a succubus from hell
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in the deposition. Maybe we'll have time to get to that tomorrow. We're running a little short on
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time. And I do want to get to one last point, vindicating actually the administration and the
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conservative policies that we've seen over the last year, even as some people go a little weak
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in the need. This has nothing to do with Iran. This has nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein.
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This is in Charlotte, North Carolina, where a driver has just gone viral for trying to run over
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a cop. Crazy. Look at that. For those of you who are just listening right now,
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this is not even a light, light little tap. You know, this is a guy accelerating, but it's not,
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it's not a huge car. It's just a little sedan. Thank God. I think the cop is okay. He rolls off
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the hood of the car. But this is a reminder that for weeks we were told, well, we were told
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conflicting stories. We were told that the ICE officers executed a poor, innocent protester in
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Minneapolis through the driver's side window. And then when we saw that the bullet went through
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the windshield, we heard, okay, well, the ICE officer executed a poor protester just sitting in
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her car minding her own business. Then when we saw the car was moving, we were told, well, no,
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they executed a poor protester for trying to flee a cop. Again, don't try to flee a cop. But then
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we actually got the video and we saw that the wheel was turned to face the cop. So then we were told,
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well, the cop executed a poor protester because her wheel was briefly turned facing him. And then we
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got the full story, which is she hit the cop with her SUV. She hit the cop and he shot her. And his
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shot was absolutely the correct thing to do. The person entirely responsible for that woman's death
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was that woman. And the cop was totally justified. It's sad, but it was totally justified. And now when
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we see other incidents like this, I mean, thank God that cop is alive. He didn't get totally run over
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by the car. He easily could have been killed. Part of, and the cop would have been totally justified
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to shoot that guy too. Part of inflicting punishment is not just justice. I mean, justice is part of it.
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And I guess that is the most important part of inflicting punishment on somebody through our criminal
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justice system and through our law enforcement officers. But another important part of inflicting
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punishment is establishing and reaffirming standards. Part of what was so sad about that
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lady in Minnesota getting shot after hitting the cop with her SUV is that she didn't realize that
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was going to happen. She didn't realize that was the consequence of her actions. Her lesbian partner
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started shrieking, why did the gun have bullets in it? The lesbian partner didn't, who was encouraging
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the woman to be out there and to be provoking the cops. The lesbian partner didn't realize that guns
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have bullets in them. And you might say, well, yeah, she's a crazy lady. Yeah, she's ignorant.
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Well, no, not just, yeah, sure. But also we have been living for years and years now in a political
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society that does not punish criminals, that lets criminals off the hook, that often doesn't arrest
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them. When we arrest them, we let them out of jail immediately. We let rioters run roughshod and kill
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dozens of people and destroy property. We let them attack cops and we don't do anything about it.
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So then when President Trump comes in, when a conservative administration comes in and says,
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hey, cops, hey, federal officers, we got your back, the rioters, the anarchists, they don't
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know what to do. Just the ordinary libs who are living under these standards, they don't know what
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to do. And part of enforcing the law is reestablishing those standards so that people don't put themselves
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in those bad situations in the first place. Part of the mass deportations, part of the major show
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forced to deport these people. Some of it is to get those specific people out, but a lot of it is
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to tell the other illegals here, you got to go. Leave now or we're going to come get you, which is
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why you had, now according to multiple sources, mass self-deportations last year. Probably more
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self-deportations than formal government deportations. Part of that message is to tell the illegal aliens
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who are at our southern border right now, don't come in. You're not going to get away with it.
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So, this is part of what's going on in Iran. The United States, as an empire, has been declining
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for at least 25 years and probably more than that. We have been declining and our adversaries
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have been gaining. We were the sole global hegemon after the Cold War for the 90s up until 9-11.
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And then after 9-11, things started to go a little squirrely. And you saw China start to rise in part
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because of stupid decisions by politicians in the United States that Trump explicitly ran against,
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like letting China into the World Trade Organization, by going soft on Russia, not playing Russia
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properly as we saw under Obama and as we saw under Biden. Trump played Russia pretty well. Russia did
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not aggress under Trump's watch. Russia did go invade and further invade countries under Bush, under Obama,
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and under Biden, but not under Trump. You saw these powers start to threaten the United States,
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start to threaten dollar hegemony, start to threaten our military assets, start to threaten
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our interests around the world, start to move into places like Africa and the Middle East and Latin
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America, move into places like Venezuela. And what Trump has done here and what he campaigned on
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is it's a gamble, but it's a grand strategy. He's saying, no more. We're going to reset the standards.
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We're going to reset the whole world order, and we're going to do so in a way that benefits America
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and at least gives us a chance of being great again. Because right now we're on a steep slope
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to decline. Will this work? We don't know. We don't know if the Iran gambit was a smart one.
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No one can, anyone who's telling you they know how this is going to turn out right now is just making
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it up. We do know that Putin offered security guarantees in Ukraine hours after the strike on Iran.
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We do know that China has to come up with 20% of its oil right now. We do know, we do know that this
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has flexed American power again, and it has put our adversaries on the back foot. And that's the
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sort of thing, if you want to be strong and you want to be great again, that's the sort of thing
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you do have to do. We can all argue over how we do it and when we do it and this way or that way,
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but that's the thing you have to do domestically and on the world stage. Okay. Today's TEE Tuesday.
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