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- March 17, 2026
Ep. 1933 - The New Ayatollah Of Iran Is Gay?
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A new intelligence report claims Iran's new Ayatollah is a little light in the slippers.
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President Trump declares his honor in conquering Cuba, which he hasn't done yet,
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but apparently it's forthcoming. And one of the most evil men of the 20th century dies,
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and most people don't even know his name. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.
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thecandleclub.com. Is the new Ayatollah gay? Is he the gay Ayatollah? It doesn't work.
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It works when you spell it, G-A-Y hyphen Atollah, but it doesn't sound right. There's a difference
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between the sound and the writing. This is like when the libs in the 2000s tried to write Fox News
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as F-A-U-X, like faux news, but because the sound is different from the spell, it doesn't work.
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So we're just going to have to say it bluntly, no puns at all. The Ayatollah might be a homosexual,
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might be a little light in the loafers. You know what I'm saying? A couple fries away from
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a Happy Meal. The kind of fella has a long handshake. You know what I mean? I'm saying he's
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gay, according to the New York Post. So New York Post exclusive report, not only is the new supreme
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leader, Mojtava Khamenei, probably gay, but apparently President Trump thought that was very,
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very funny. Trump could not contain his surprise and laughed aloud when he was briefed on the
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intel, according to sources. Others in the room also found it, quote, hilarious and joined in the
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president's reaction. Well, one senior official, I'm sorry. One senior official reportedly has not
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stopped laughing about it for days, said one person familiar with the briefing. The shocking claim was
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described to the post by two intelligence community officials and a third person close to the White
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House. Now, when I first read this, I thought, look, it's funny, but this seems to me like an op.
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This seems to me like a demoralization tactic from our intelligence services,
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who certainly would never lie, and especially in the context of war, right? However,
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when you look into Khamenei's history, he married relatively late for an Iranian cleric,
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for an Iranian, the son of the supreme leader. He married at age 30, I think it was.
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He reportedly had a little trouble functioning downstairs, had to go to the United Kingdom for
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some treatments multiple times. I think on the third or fourth treatment, he finally was able
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to produce a child. So there's a little bit of evidence that the ladies are not exactly his type.
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In any case, I don't know that this really matters. I mean, it's kind of funny and we're all
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giggling here. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's just a demoralization tactic. I don't think it really
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matters, though. Because after the giggles dissipate, the question that we have is whether
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or not we will have gone in with a massive show of force to replace the angry Islamist leader of Iran,
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Ayatollah Khamenei, with an angrier Islamist leader of Iran, also named Ayatollah Khamenei.
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That's the issue. I don't think that's a great idea. I don't know how many of you have seen old
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Western movies and stuff, but when you kill somebody's paw, he usually sets out for revenge.
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Adding on top of that, the Iranians have played their toughest card, which is they closed the
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Strait of Hormuz, through which 20% of the world's oil flows. And so, look, there are many people who
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were skeptical of this war, myself included. As I've said many times, if I were on the NSC,
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I would have argued against going in for this strike. However, I trust Trump on foreign policy.
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He's got the best record on it in my lifetime. And so, I'm willing to let him cook, at least for
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the five weeks that he said it would take. However, the die is cast. Whether you wanted to go in or you
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didn't want to go in, the die is cast. We're there. Aliyah iakta est. So, the question is,
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what does victory look like now? And one of the real fears is, if you don't completely
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decapitate this regime, if you don't keep just pummeling them and remove the new Ayatollah
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Liberace or whatever, even really Liberace kind of kept a lid on his alleged proclivities. This guy,
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I don't know, it seems a little more out in the open, according to the CIA. In any case,
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if you don't get rid of the guy, you could end up in a position where the situation in Iran is worse
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than when we started. On top of that, if the Iranians feel that they were able to succeed
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by closing the Strait of Hormuz. In other words, if the Iranians leave this conflict feeling that
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they played a game of chicken with the United States, and because they closed the Strait of
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Hormuz, they won the game of chicken, we have lost all of our leverage in Iran. Now,
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the regional situation is much worse than it was before we began. All of that to say,
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Trump still has my confidence on foreign policy. He's very good at these things, and he's
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demonstrated that over 10 years. Now, however, two weeks ago, you might have said, well, it could just
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be some kind of limited incursion into Iran, and we can achieve some limited objectives. Now,
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it would seem to me you really can't pull out until you pummel them, until you demonstrate to
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them that they cannot close the Strait of Hormuz and get away with it, until you demonstrate to
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them that the regime must cooperate with the West. I'm not saying it needs to be a totally different
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regime. I know it's immensely complex and maybe improbable to achieve these goals. That would have
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been part of my argument against going in because of the immense complexity, the enormous complexity of
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this kind of operation. But we cannot now pull out and have the Iranians thinking that they can just
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close the Strait of Hormuz whenever they want to get what they want to get. And even if they have
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a homosexual leader, supreme leader, some jokes and some funny articles in the New York Post about it
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are not a sufficient victory. As I said when this operation began, this is the riskiest thing Trump
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has ever done. If it works out, it's the greatest foreign policy achievement of the last 30 years at
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least, maybe more. It achieves a strategic objective that we've had for 70 years. But if it doesn't work
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out, this is the biggest risk to his legacy we've ever seen. Now, the media are trying to exploit some
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of the disagreements in the conservative movement, even within the administration, allegedly, on the Iran
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strike. So they were basically trying to pry JD, the vice president, off of Trump. And there's a big
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move right now. You're seeing it, especially from a lot of never Trumpers, a lot of people who opposed
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Trump in 2016, a lot of people who opposed Trump in 2024, who went over to Governor DeSantis' team.
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I love DeSantis. All the context aside, DeSantis is a great governor. But a lot of the never Trumpers
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were attracted to him, not even necessarily because of his policies, but because he was not Trump. And so
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a lot of the people who have opposed Trump consistently for the last 10 years
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are going after JD right now. And they're coming up with all sorts of reasons to do it. But there's
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clearly a very coordinated op to sideline President Trump's handpicked successor. And part of that op
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is to try to drive a wedge between Trump and the vice president. And Iran seems to be the way to do
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it. So a reporter posed this question to the vice president in the Oval Office yesterday.
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Here's JD's response.
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I know what you're trying to do, Phil. You're trying to drive a wedge between
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members of the administration, between me and the president. What the president said consistently,
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going back to 2015, and I agreed with him, is that Iran should not have a nuclear weapon.
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And we have taken this military action under the president's leadership. I think all of us,
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whether you're a Democrat or Republican, should pray for success and pray for the safety of our
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troops. That's the approach that I've taken. Make it as successful as possible.
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So there's no hesitation, given your past statements, with the current operation?
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What do you mean there's no hesitation with my past statements?
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Given your skepticism of foreign countryism, you were a critic of the global war on terror previously.
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Well, I think one big difference, Phil, is that we have a smart president,
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whereas in the past we've had dumb presidents. And I trust President Trump to get the job done
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to do... Great answer, man. Great answer. The vice president.
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He's a good politician. And I think he benefits from the same thing that Bill Clinton benefited from,
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that George W. Bush has benefited from, that a lot of presidents have benefited from,
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Reagan benefited from, which is that he is underestimated. But this was a very good answer.
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J.D. Vance has come out pretty strongly against the endless wars and the neocon interventions and
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all the rest over the last 20 years. And so he's asked by the reporter, he says, well, hold on.
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How are you backing the president on this strike on Iran? And he says, well, because Trump has been
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clear from the beginning that we're not going to let Iran get a nuclear weapon. So that's a pretty
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good answer. But the reporter presses it. Says, well, don't you feel uncomfortable with your past
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statements? You know, what makes you think that this war in the Middle East, in a country that
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begins IRA, is going to turn out differently than that last war in the Middle East with a country
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that began with IRA? Albeit one ending with a Q, one with an N. And J.D. gives this great answer.
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He says, well, because we previously had dumb presidents and now we have a smart president,
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which is a great little way to flip it. It's a great little slogan here.
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But it's not just a cheap slogan. It speaks to a really deep observation.
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The problem with the war in Iraq or the war in Afghanistan, for that matter,
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is not that the United States did not have a right to go in. It's not that the United States
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did not have an interest in ousting the Taliban or even Saddam Hussein, who we had been contemplating
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ousting since the early 1990s, who had destabilized the Middle East, who had, well, who had led the
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United States into war already one time. It's not, that wasn't the issue. The issue was that the war
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was bungled. That was the problem. And so what Vance is saying here is, look, yeah, we obviously have a
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goal and an interest in preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons, stopping Iran's ballistic
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missile program, preventing Iran from attaining regional hegemony, which our Gulf state allies
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clearly think that Iran wants to do. We've had an interest in ousting this regime since 1979.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whether or not we do it is contingent upon whether or not we can actually
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succeed at doing it. And one reason, and I totally agree with this. I agree with this 100%.
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One reason I'm not losing sleep at night over this intervention is because Trump's got a good record.
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You know, the shorthand that the vice president uses is we have a smart president now. We used
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to have dumb presidents, but it speaks to a lot. Trump has a very good record on the Moab. He's
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got a very good record on killing Soleimani. He's got a very good record in Venezuela. He's got a very
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good record in defeating ISIS. He's got a very good record in preventing Putin from further invading
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a country. Only president in the last 25 years on whose watch Putin did not invade or further invade a
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country. Pretty good record on wrapping up wars. Pretty good record on preventing wars. And on and
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on and on. That's what Vance is saying. So what happens now? There is some leaked audio coming out
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of Iran over whether or not the Ayatollah is even alive. And then talk about realignment. Talk about
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crazy restructuring on the right. You know, some of this, the talk about the never Trumpers and the
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neocons and this and that. It is certainly the case that the biggest cheerleaders right now for
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President Trump's policy were never Trumpers in 2016. That is true. There's no question about it.
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That is the case. And I think that irritates a lot of OG Trump supporters. That's true. And
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they're pointing to that and they're saying Trump has betrayed MAGA or whatever, which I think is
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basically impossible because MAGA is a movement that President Trump built in its current iteration.
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America First is a movement in its current iteration that President Trump built.
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So they're pointing to that. They're saying, well, look, now it's all these guys who hated
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Trump in 16. Now they're as big as cheerleaders on this specific action. Sure. However, you also
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have to look at the whole context of Trump. Trump ran on for 10 years, not letting Iran get a nuclear
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weapon, intervening in the Middle East, going in to beat the hell out of ISIS. That's what he ran on in
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2016. His policy has been pretty consistent on that. So even if you're me, I like coalitional politics.
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I like bringing as many people in as can be helpful, keeping the genuinely bad people out
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and going ahead and fighting the left and actually winning and not just fighting amongst ourselves as
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the conservatives want to do every single day. However, for the people who are a little irritated
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that, you know, some of the never Trumpers now have the president's ear, we also have to point out
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this was Trump's vision. And if you voted for President Trump because you never wanted intervention
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in the Middle East because you wanted to let Iran do whatever it wants because this,
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that or the other thing, you just weren't listening to Trump. Okay. They, they were clear
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and anyone who's trying to drive division in this administration, I don't like it. I don't like
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it. People have very selfish reasons for doing that, but it is not conducive to political flourishing.
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Okay. The president and the vice president, both on the campaign trail and apparently in the Oval
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Office are in lockstep along with the secretary of state, along with the rest of the cabinet,
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people who want to drive division in the most unified and effective Republican presidential
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administration that I've seen. I don't like that one little bit, but getting back to the neocons and
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the intraconservative movement fights, there's an amazing situation unfolding in which the, one of the
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founders of the current version of neoconservatism, one of the great proponents of intervention and war
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in the Middle East is now coming out, questioning some of the Iran strike and arguing that we really
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got dragged into war by the state of Israel. We'll get to that momentarily. First though,
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occurred yesterday or the day before on The Bulwark, which is, that's Bill Kristol's outlet.
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Very few people watch it. But this little clip was illustrative. Bill Kristol, formerly one of the
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grand poobahs of the conservative movement, and then he became a liberal because he got radicalized
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by Trump. And then he supported Kamala and Joe Biden, and he's abandoned every principle that he ever
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had beforehand. He was interviewing Bob Kagan. Now, Robert Kagan is a foreign policy expert.
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He was one of the co-founders with Bill Kristol of Project for a New American Century, which had a lot
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of influence on foreign policy in the late 90s and the 2000s. A lot of influence over the Bush
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administration. There were a lot of George W. Bush personnel who were signed on to Project for a New
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American Century, advocated regime change in Iraq long before 9-11. So Bob Kagan has neoconservative
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bona fides, second to none. And he's a serious scholar and he's a serious thinker.
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Bob Kagan just came out and suggested, not even suggest, kind of laughed about the fact that
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our alliance with Israel is one of the, one of, if not the main reason that we went to war in Iran.
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I must say, I find it a little bit, it's kind of a syllogism when people talk about what a great
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ally Israel is. It is a great ally in defense of Israel, you know? I mean-
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Which is fine. I mean, they're entitled to put that first, you know, right?
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No, no, no, right. That's their great concern. And look, I mean, let's face it, at the end of the day,
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Iran is a much greater threat to Israel than it is to the United States. So when they say that people,
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and when people say that Israel is a great ally in the fight against Iran, I mean, it's kind of
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like saying that South Vietnam was a great ally in the fight against North Vietnam, you know? I mean,
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it was, but weren't we there to defend South Vietnam, you know? So.
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I love this conversation because you can tell Bill Kristol doesn't quite know what to make of it.
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But Bob Kagan's great. And actually, Bob Kagan's father was a professor of mine,
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truly a giant among historians, Donald Kagan, the historian of ancient Greece.
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However, all of this to say, the real political import of this conversation,
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when you have two of the most prominent neoconservatives in the United States,
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not quite the OGs, because neoconservatism started in the middle of the 20th century,
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but the OGs of the second wave, founders of Project for a New American Century,
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having a conversation about how Israel is only a great ally in as much as it helps Israel.
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Bob Kagan mocking this notion. People who cannot be criticized as anti-Semitic or anything like that,
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both of them definitely members of the ancient nomadic tribe. This is a five-alarm fire for the
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state of Israel. This is a five-alarm fire for Benjamin Netanyahu. So much, Israel has so come
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to dominate much of the online discourse about the right. I don't think at the matter, at the level
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of actual ordinary voters, I don't think it actually matters that much. But from the commentariat,
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especially some of the podcast class, which has become deranged over the question of Israel,
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it's really come to dominate. And the American right previously was almost wholly supportive
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of the state of Israel. That has really weakened over the past several years, to the point that
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many are now asking, well, what is the benefit of the alliance with Israel? You say, well, Israel is a
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great ally in the Middle East. And you have someone like Bob Kagan, who's laughing and saying, yes,
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South Vietnam was a great ally in the fight against North Vietnam. But the whole reason that we were
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in there fighting North Vietnam was for South Vietnam and because of what South Vietnam represented
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for American interests. So I'm not saying there are no American interests here. But what this means is
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the state of Israel needs to make the case. Netanyahu and defenders of the state of Israel and people
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who are not deranged by Israel on one side or the other because they hate it so much, they think it's
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the worst thing ever or because they're fanatically in favor of the Israeli government. Regardless,
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people who just kind of have a more balanced view of Israel and who think that it's good for America
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to be allied with Israel, they need to make the case that the alliance with the state of Israel
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benefits America. Because there is a growing sense on the right, including among neoconservatives,
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that the Israeli alliance really chiefly benefits Israel. So you have to make that case to American
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conservatives because also the state of Israel has already lost the American left. Part of the reason
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that I find the anti-Israel activism so distasteful, part of the reason I'm just kind of repulsed by it
00:22:52.260
is because it's so left-coded. Regardless of my feelings on the complexity of the Middle East,
00:22:58.180
I'm not going to go march around with Greta Thunberg and Akefi. It's just not my bag,
00:23:03.440
man. No thanks. I don't want that. So the state of Israel already lost the left.
00:23:08.720
If the state of Israel loses the American right, they're in a real big problem because the state
00:23:13.520
of Israel relies, really, I think we would say existentially, on the power of the United States
00:23:21.440
and on the American empire. So they have to make this case. It's not enough to dismiss it anymore.
00:23:28.560
Now, who knows? I mean, I guess this is part of the risk even of the Iran operation,
00:23:33.120
which is if the Iran operation really works and you get Iran for the first time in 50 years
00:23:37.260
to be relatively pro-Western and not be committed to the utter destruction of the state of Israel and
00:23:43.920
the genocide of everyone there. Maybe all those issues in the Middle East, maybe they abate.
00:23:51.340
Maybe they decline in severity or not. Maybe it all gets worse. I mean, some of it will just depend
00:23:58.360
on tactics on the ground every single day. There's some audio that just came out from
00:24:02.060
a top aide to the former Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, the heterosexual one, not the homosexual one,
00:24:08.480
who's speaking to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. And this was obtained by the
00:24:14.300
telegraph. Here's what he says.
00:24:17.600
God's will was that Mojtaba had to go out to the yard to do something and then return.
00:24:25.200
He was outside and was heading upstairs.
00:24:27.180
When they struck the building with a missile.
00:24:36.380
That was it. Okay, that's it. That's all we got. He was outside. It does make you think. You say,
00:24:40.640
hold on, was the homosexual Mojtaba, was he the one who ratted out his dad and everyone else? Was he?
00:24:45.840
He just happened to not be in the room when the missile struck, but probably not. It was probably
00:24:49.580
just a quirk, a quirk of history that that missile, that Israeli missile could have taken out
00:24:54.800
all of them, including the guy who's now the Supreme Leader. But it didn't. And now we need
00:25:03.360
to figure out who the next leader is going to be. High stakes. High stakes for everybody. High
00:25:08.300
stakes for the state of Israel. High stakes for the United States. High stakes for the Trump legacy
00:25:11.580
in 2026 and 2028. About as high as the stakes could possibly be. Okay. Now, speaking of persuasion,
00:25:21.580
the administration needs to persuade. The state of Israel needs to persuade.
00:25:24.800
One of the most persuasive science writers of the 20th century, who, in effect, was one of the
00:25:35.420
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listen through my show all the way to the credits, you've heard his names for many, many years.
00:27:08.800
Pavel has a show. Pavel, the giant Polish man, comes to me and some other people a while ago,
00:27:15.880
he said, Mr. Knowles, sir, I want to do a show, sir, because men, sir, they are not manly anymore.
00:27:22.420
They are getting, and he uses a lot of salty language, which I'll clean up for this show
00:27:26.380
because it's a family program. They are getting nonsense from people on the right, and they're
00:27:32.140
getting nonsense from people on the left, sir, and it is not good, and we need a show to show
00:27:37.340
men how to be men, sir. Masculinity. I said, well, that's interesting, Pavel. Maybe you should go make
00:27:41.760
a pilot or something. And that has all led us to a show that launches today, Be a Man.
00:27:49.180
Did I mention I hate heights?
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Oh, holy f***.
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My name is Pavel. When I was growing up, I wanted to be a real man. So I'm going to hit the road,
00:28:02.220
meet the men that are manly, courageous, and strong. The men that I wanted to be like when I was a kid.
00:28:09.680
Daddy's coming with some food. I don't know if there's a more noble cause or better people
00:28:14.300
to work with. I'm going to see if I can be just like them. We don't see ourselves as heroes.
00:28:22.560
We honestly just think it's doing our job. If you want to be a hero, if you want to be a badass,
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be a man like these guys.
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Woo!
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My name is Pavel. Be a man with me.
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Deep breath in.
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Right now, go to youtube.com slash at be a man with me. That is youtube.com slash at the at symbol,
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be a man with me. No spaces. And watch the latest episode, Why Everybody, Why Everybody Hates Police.
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You have to say it in Pavel's accent. Now, we turn from good men like Pavel to bad men.
00:29:04.740
I know, Neil Nisi Bonham, we're not supposed to say anything but good about people who have just
00:29:09.740
died. And we can pray for this guy who just died because, you know, even the very worst people at a
00:29:16.400
deep level don't know the error of their ways because we're born into the twin darkness of ignorance
00:29:21.380
and sin. However, this guy left a wake of death and destruction and catastrophe in his wake. And
00:29:29.060
most people don't know his name. His name is Paul Ehrlich. Here we have the New York Times
00:29:34.280
obit for this guy. I write about Paul Ehrlich in some length in my book, Speechless, Controlling
00:29:40.440
Words, Controlling Minds. Paul Ehrlich, thank you. Paul Ehrlich, who alarmed the world with the population
00:29:46.660
bomb, dies at 93. His bestselling 1968 book, which forecast global famines, made him a leader of the
00:29:54.760
environmental movement. But he faced criticism when his predictions proved premature. Here we go.
00:30:00.360
Big lie, 10,000 Pinocchios from the New York Times. His predictions proved premature. What were his
00:30:05.640
predictions? His prediction was that if the population grew anymore, that you would have widespread famine
00:30:11.640
because the earth could not sustain all those people. And therefore, his prescriptions were
00:30:18.080
that we had to stop having kids. We had to sterilize people. We had to use the government to
00:30:23.960
reduce the population. The policies that this led to were the one child policy in China,
00:30:31.240
forced sterilizations in India. This guy is not single-handedly, but pretty close, responsible
00:30:38.200
for the population, depopulation crisis that we face today. And they said his predictions proved
00:30:44.440
premature. Since he made his prediction that inevitably at this point we would face mass
00:30:50.920
starvation because the population was growing too much, since that time, the world population has
00:30:55.240
doubled and global malnutrition has cut in half. There are twice as many people as when he made his
00:31:01.800
prediction, and we are fatter than ever. It's not that his predictions proved premature. They were
00:31:06.180
completely wrong. His predictions were totally wrong. The New York Times is lying in its obituary to cover
00:31:11.900
for this guy who did more evil than almost anybody in the 20th century. And the consequences of his
00:31:18.720
stupid predictions and his prescriptions, because he prescribed policy to governments, was mass evil.
00:31:27.120
The consequences of this led to mass death, sterilization, the violation of basic rights,
00:31:34.300
and he never let up on it. Here is Paul Ehrlich in the 70s discussing the problem as he saw it.
00:31:42.020
The first thing the government should do is try and take the pressure off to reproduce. Young
00:31:46.460
couples, if they don't have children, people say, gee, they must be sterile. They never say, gee,
00:31:50.600
maybe they like good wine and going to the theater and so on. They prefer that to scraping diapers. So
00:31:54.980
there's pressure to have children. So the first thing that should happen is that the president ought to
00:31:59.120
say from now here on out, no intelligent, patriotic American family ought to have more than two
00:32:05.740
children, preferably one. You could move to giving women bonuses for not having babies. That almost
00:32:09.840
certainly would do the job. If that didn't have the effect, then you could move to changing the tax
00:32:14.300
structure so that people who had the money and had the children paid for the children. In other words,
00:32:19.340
you would increase taxes on people with children rather than decrease them, since when they have the
00:32:23.220
children, they require more services. If that doesn't work, then you'll have the government
00:32:27.000
legislating the size of the family. And people say, oh, that's impossible. Government can never
00:32:31.020
intrude and tell you how many children to have. Well, I got news. You know, it intruded a long
00:32:34.320
time ago and told you how many wives you can have. And there's not the slightest question that if we
00:32:38.200
don't get the population under control with voluntary means, that in the not too distant future,
00:32:41.560
the government will simply tell you how many children you can have and throw you in jail if you have too
00:32:44.420
many. So God tells you in the book of Genesis, be fruitful and multiply. This Antichrist figure comes out in
00:32:54.100
the 1970s, and he says, do not have children. It's unpatriotic to have children. It's funny because
00:33:01.000
patriotism comes from the word pater. It's an extension of filial piety. It's an extension of
00:33:06.160
the family. And he's saying that the pro-family thing to do is to destroy your family. He says,
00:33:13.360
first, we're going to incentivize people. We're going to encourage them by discouraging them. We're
00:33:18.620
going to say, you know, having kids is bad. You should just drink good wine instead.
00:33:22.380
All these kind of liberal arguments today. Oh, just don't you want to go to brunch? Don't you
00:33:26.000
want to travel and have experiences? Don't have kids. And if that doesn't work, you know what we're
00:33:30.440
going to do? We're going to pay people not to have kids. We're going to give women bonuses. We're going
00:33:35.420
to subsidize feminism. I'm going to say, instead of having kids and a nice family, if you just go
00:33:40.660
work at the widget factory for Dr. McGillicuddy and you do spreadsheets, we're going to give you some
00:33:44.480
money. Don't have kids. Sell your kids for money, money, money. Oh, that's not going to work?
00:33:51.940
All right. We tried to bribe you with booze and entertainment and money. Okay. I'll tell you
00:33:57.580
what. Now we're going to punish you. Forget about the carrot. Now we're going to use the stick.
00:34:01.180
If you have kids, we're going to tax you. We're going to make you pay more money to have kids
00:34:05.400
for the license to have a kid. Oh, and you know what? If that doesn't work,
00:34:09.200
we're just going to stop you from having kids. And what does that mean? Well, what that means in
00:34:16.160
practice, because China put this guy's policy into effect, what this means is a campaign of
00:34:22.200
forced infanticide. The one child policy led to forced abortion. So the government would just
00:34:28.860
come in and kill your kid. You want to keep your kid? Mama wants to keep. No, please let me keep
00:34:32.420
my kid. No, government's going to come in and kill your kid. That's what that guy advocated.
00:34:37.080
It's going to lead to policies like we saw in India, where India would go to starving people and say,
00:34:42.100
the only way that we're going to give you coupons for food and water and electricity is if you
00:34:46.680
sterilize yourself. That happened because of that guy, because of that guy's book and that guy's
00:34:50.740
ideas. He said in the population bomb, in the book that kicked it off, the battle to feed all of
00:34:56.420
humanity is over. In the 1970s and 80s, hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite
00:35:00.240
of any crash programs embarked upon. Now at this late date, nothing can prevent a substantial increase
00:35:04.440
in the world death rate. Totally wrong. Could not have possibly been more wrong. We must have
00:35:08.620
population control at home, hopefully through changes in our value system, but by compulsion
00:35:12.940
if voluntary methods fail. He didn't just misspeak on that talk show. This was his thesis. He described
00:35:18.760
population growth as a cancer, the cancer of population growth, which must be cut out.
00:35:27.060
Population growth is just a euphemism. Population growth refers to more people.
00:35:32.720
So if more people is a cancer, then people are the tumor. Human beings are a disease.
00:35:41.180
The left has held on to that view for a very, very long time. And this is where the
00:35:47.240
truly wicked origins of leftism, which endeavors to invert reality and began during the French
00:35:55.680
Revolution as an assault on the church. This is where the real satanic, Luciferian character of
00:36:02.280
liberalism really begins to show itself. One of the fruits of liberalism is the view that human
00:36:08.540
beings are a disease that must be cured, that must be eradicated from the earth.
00:36:15.240
And now this guy's eradicated from the earth. And it's sad. You know, every man's death diminishes
00:36:19.340
me because I'm a human. You know, no man's an island unto himself. So we should pray for this guy.
00:36:22.880
We should really pray for this guy because he led a very, very evil life. And so we should really,
00:36:30.360
really pray for him. In many ways, he probably didn't know what he did. Christ on the cross says,
00:36:35.720
you know, Lord, forgive them. Forgive them. They know not what they do. That's how we have to think
00:36:40.280
about him. But we can't just think about him. We have to focus on the institutions. This guy,
00:36:48.580
Paul Ehrlich, got everything wrong. His chief thesis was not only a little off, it was perfectly wrong.
00:36:54.900
He never paid a price for it. He continued to have great academic jobs. He continued to win awards.
00:36:59.620
His policies were implemented by governments around the world, led to the deaths of millions
00:37:05.060
of people. It led to millions of people not being born and led to the deaths of millions of people.
00:37:09.840
That guy, he never paid a price for it at all. The institutions backed him up. And now one of the
00:37:15.500
chief cultural institutions, the New York Times, is continuing to lie on his behalf,
00:37:19.560
continuing to carry water for him, to say these guys, this guy's anti-Christ policies. I mean,
00:37:24.920
I don't usually use really, really extreme provocative rhetoric. I don't know how else
00:37:29.140
you describe this. This guy's profoundly evil policies were just a little premature.
00:37:37.860
A little premature, they were totally wrong.
00:37:42.200
Really bad stuff. And a reminder too, on this point of, Lord, forgive them. They know not what
00:37:49.760
they do. This is a point I was discussing with a friend of mine just yesterday. He said,
00:37:55.660
have you mentioned this publicly? And I said, I actually haven't, but maybe I should.
00:37:59.760
Right now, at every level of the political order, things feel precarious. Feels like things are just
00:38:05.700
getting really, really tough. The stakes are being raised by the administration, the war in Iran.
00:38:11.440
You've got wedges being driven within the administration. You've got the apparent collapse
00:38:16.560
of the conservative movement because of the podcast wars and because of all sorts of infighting.
00:38:22.120
You have genuinely just malicious, terrible things flying all around in the culture.
00:38:27.900
This, with more terrorist attacks, just all sorts of, it just seems like it's getting a little
00:38:35.300
rougher, doesn't it? Seems like there's more injustice. It feels, I don't know, the last month
00:38:41.300
or so has felt that way, to me at least. And I think probably to you too. And I explained it to
00:38:46.660
someone. I thought it was common sense, but he didn't really think of it that way. It's Lent.
00:38:52.660
It's Lent. And for the Christians in the audience, you're probably going to get this immediately.
00:38:57.620
For people who are not really that religious, you're going to think I'm crazy for saying this.
00:39:01.780
But I have noticed this pretty much every year during Lent, which is the period in which we
00:39:08.740
walk with our Lord in the desert where he's tempted by the devil, where the devil really has
00:39:15.980
apparently free reign. During this time of Lent, spiritual attacks increase dramatically.
00:39:23.800
Temptations increase dramatically. Rancor, strife increases dramatically. I've seen it year after year
00:39:29.580
after year. And then after Easter, things all kind of go back to normal. I'm not saying this as soft
00:39:35.920
soap or wishful thinking so that you say, oh, the present troubles, they'll just magically disappear
00:39:40.860
in a couple of weeks. I'm not saying it for that reason. What I'm saying is, if you believe that
00:39:45.900
spiritual realities are real, if you believe that there is a meaning to history, that there is a
00:39:52.200
rhythm to the liturgical calendar, it is no surprise that everything seems to be falling apart right now.
00:40:00.400
Everything seemed to be falling apart in the desert. Everything seemed to be falling apart at Calvary
00:40:04.440
when Christ was crucified. Everything seemed to be falling apart. Our Lord said, oh my God, my God,
00:40:11.960
why have you forsaken me? And when he also says, Lord, forgive these people, they know not what they do.
00:40:17.960
And for me, with a Christian view of the world, especially with the Catholic view of the world,
00:40:22.440
which is rich in symbolism, which is a very semiotic view, I can't help but notice that it's very fitting
00:40:27.780
that all of this anxiety, all of this angst comes up during Lent. Maybe, not through any accomplishment
00:40:35.780
of our own, maybe through the grace of God, it will soon dissipate too. Maybe the passion will give
00:40:42.360
way to Easter. Okay. Speaking of malnutrition, I want to get to President Trump bragging about the
00:40:48.980
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My favorite comment yesterday is from Aunt Dello, 5286, who says,
00:41:57.960
good show today, Michael. On a personal note, I woke up around 28, 28 years old. I'm so glad I
00:42:03.160
met my hubby and had my two boys. Oh yeah, I think that's in response to this, you know,
00:42:08.720
women regret having kids nonsense in New York Magazine. Yeah, I feel for some of my friends
00:42:13.520
because it's a major problem for, especially for millennial women who were lied to their whole lives
00:42:18.420
and who were therefore trained in habits and tastes and desires that are not conducive to their
00:42:24.520
happiness. And then usually around 30 or mid thirties, it kind of hits them that this is bad.
00:42:29.120
And, and that culture has created a situation where it's actually very hard then to go meet a
00:42:34.320
husband, have kids, start a family, because the culture is just trained on all these perverse
00:42:37.840
incentives. So anyway, I'm glad, glad you woke up from feminism and hope, hope other people do.
00:42:43.120
Hope they, hope it can work out. Okay. Forget about Iran. President Trump is now looking ahead
00:42:48.560
to Cuba. You know, all my life I've been hearing about the United States and Cuba.
00:42:54.560
When will the United States do it? I do believe I'll be the honor of having the honor of
00:43:00.840
taking Cuba. That'd be good. That's a big honor. Taking Cuba. Taking Cuba in some form. Yeah.
00:43:08.300
Taking Cuba. I mean, whether I free it, take it. I think I could do anything I want with it. You'll
00:43:14.760
want to know the truth. They're a very weakened nation right now. They were for a long time.
00:43:20.820
Very violent, very violent leaders. Castro was a very violent leader. His brother's a very violent
00:43:27.480
leader. Extremely violent. That's how they governed. They governed with violence. But a lot of people would
00:43:34.560
like to go back. It will be my honor to take over Cuba. People are playing this and they're saying
00:43:40.240
he's gone mad. The king has gone mad. Now he's just hopping around the globe, gobbling up whatever
00:43:45.160
he can. The king has gone mad. Notice what he's saying. As always, you have to listen to what Trump
00:43:51.640
is really saying. Not just, not just go by your gut reaction to some clip you saw on Twitter.
00:43:55.700
He's saying, it will be my honor to be the one to take Cuba. In other words, some president was
00:44:04.920
going to take Cuba at some point. This has been the policy of the United States. I was going to say
00:44:10.460
since Eisenhower, really it goes back even to the very earliest part of the 20th century. We've
00:44:15.380
already controlled Cuba three times. And then we had a regime in there that was basically fine. And then
00:44:20.380
it started to go south. And Eisenhower planned the Bay of Pigs invasion to stop the Cuban revolution.
00:44:26.300
And it flopped. And so then Kennedy was stuck in the Cuban missile crisis. And he levied an embargo
00:44:33.960
on Cuba. And we'd been trying to get rid of Cuba's leader, Fidel Castro, for many decades. And then
00:44:38.500
Raul Castro, his brother. And now there's this new guy, Medel Diaz-Canal, who no one really cares about.
00:44:44.260
After President Trump's well-executed strike on Venezuela, Cuba's being sort of choked off. And now
00:44:49.440
finally, what you're seeing is not Trump saying, ha ha ha, give me Cuba. Ha ha ha ha, that's mine,
00:44:53.980
mine, mine, mine. What Trump is saying is, oh, well, some US president was going to take Cuba.
00:44:59.040
And I'm honored that I guess I'm going to be the one in the Oval Office when this happens.
00:45:03.420
This is, it is not overstating it to say this is actually a statement of presidential humility.
00:45:10.080
Because he's not saying, I'm the one instituting this policy. He's saying, oh yeah,
00:45:14.080
it looks like Cuba's pretty weak right now. And I guess I'm going to be the one to take it.
00:45:17.460
Because that was always going to happen. You have this country that's been hostile,
00:45:21.120
that was a foothold for the Soviet Union during the Cold War, 90 miles off the coast of Florida.
00:45:25.560
That's ridiculous. We are going to have a good relationship with Cuba. According to reports,
00:45:30.100
we are already in pretty high level talks with the government of Cuba.
00:45:34.220
One word of caution though on this, Cuba has just come out and said it is open to economic
00:45:40.320
investment from Cubans abroad. So this is, they're pitching this as similar to the perestroika policy
00:45:46.220
in the Soviet Union at the end of the Cold War. You know, we're going to start to open up a little
00:45:50.220
bit economically. And that will stabilize the regime. Now what happened in the Soviet Union,
00:45:55.420
the way it was carried out under Gorbachev, is it totally destroyed the regime. And it was over
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very quickly. But in Cuba, from what I am reading, the actual policy is they're asking Cubans abroad to
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give them money to invest in the island. And that's it. Well, hold on, hold on. That's not
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going to work. They're very desperate. Cuba is starving right now. The electrical grid is down.
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They don't have any oil. So really what they're saying is, hey, can we please have money from
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anyone who will give it to us? But there's no guarantee of legal rights. There's no guarantee
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of government reform. There's no guarantee that Cuba will cooperate with the United States in the
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future. So it would be a major mistake, I think, to give into this policy right now. I don't read
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that policy as an about-face from the Cuban regime. I read that policy as a last desperate
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gasp of the regime. I'm sure. I'm not telling the administration anything it doesn't know.
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But this is not the moment to say, okay, great, we'll take it. This is the moment to push much,
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much harder and get me some tobacco for the new blends of Mayflower cigars. Okay, before we go,
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one last smack from the Oval Office. I mentioned it at the top of the show. I can't miss it.
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President Trump is hitting Gavin Newsom as unqualified for president of the United States
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because he has a learning disability.
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That's how crazy it's gotten with a low IQ person, you know, because Gavin Newsom has admitted that he
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has learning disabilities. Honestly, I'm all for people with learning disabilities, but not for my
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president. I think a president should not have learning disabilities, okay? And I know it's
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highly controversial to say such a horrible thing. The president of the United States, Gavin
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Newsom, admitted that he has learning disabilities, dyslexia, everything about him is dumb. But then
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he looked at the audience and said, well, I'm smarter than you or something like that. It was pretty
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stupid. So now on top of everything else, I call him a racist because it happened to be a black
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audience. I will tell you this. I think it was the worst interview I've ever seen of any human being
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in my life.
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I love him. I love him. Trump, not Newsom. He goes, he says, look, he just keeps going deeper. He goes,
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look, Newsom, he said he has a learning disability, so he can't be president. He has low IQ. I'm for
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people with learning disabilities, but he can't be president. And he said, well, hold on. We have
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friends who are dyslexic or this or that, have learning disabilities, reading disability. I'm
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for people with learning disabilities, not for president, okay? He's dumb. I know I can't say
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it, but he's dumb. He's racist too, because he said he's dumb, but he's smarter than blacks.
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And he's, but anyway, and it got me thinking. One, does Newsom actually have dyslexia?
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This is a new disability. We didn't know about this one before. He just kind of came up with
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this one. And it was actually because Ted Cruz called him historically illiterate. And he said,
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how dare you call me historically illiterate? I have dyslexia. He said, well, now, not only are you
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historically illiterate, you're semantically illiterate, because you don't even know what
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Cruz was saying about you. He wasn't saying you can't read. He was saying you don't know history.
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But regardless, he said, wait, you have dyslexia? Oh, I have dyslexia my whole life. It was kind of
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like Joe Biden's speech impediment. Remember that? Joe Biden had a stutter. Joe Biden's been in the
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Senate since the 70s. He's been in national public life for 50 years. And then only five minutes ago,
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do we learn that he had this disability? Came out of nowhere, but apparently, and he just tried to
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gaslight us and pretend that he had this his whole life. And it was kind of like that. So then you go
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back through Gavin Newsom's old pictures, and it's pictures of him reading books, big stack of books,
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him reading books. But he said he actually can't read because he's dyslexic. He never reads the
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speech, but he's a big reader of books. And so I don't know if I believe him at all. But regardless,
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even if this is totally made up, which knowing Gavin Newsom, it probably is, he picked a bad
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disability. The reason it was clever for him to claim a disability like Joe Biden did is because
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he's a white guy. He's a handsome white guy. And so according to the Democrats, he's the scum of
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the earth. He's so privileged. He doesn't have any victim points. So the only way for him to make
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himself a victim is to pretend to be gay, which is tough because he's actually been married multiple
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times, and both of his wives were quite beautiful. So I don't think he's going to convince people that
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he's gay. Or he can say he has some disability that you can't really see. But whereas Joe Biden picked
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a stutter, which was really just a way to cover up for his dementia, but he picked a stutter,
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which is a clever disability to pick. Because stutters can make you sound kind of dumb,
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but it doesn't mean that you're dumb. It can make you sound a little bit slow,
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but it doesn't mean that you have trouble processing information.
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The one that Gavin Newsom picked actually does undercut his ability to do the job.
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Not because it means if you're dyslexic, it doesn't mean that you have a low IQ. It doesn't
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necessarily mean that you're dumb, but it does mean that you will have a far greater difficulty
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processing information. You do have to read if you're president. That is one of the job. There
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aren't that many job requirements, but that's one of them. And so he picked this disability,
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which he was probably faking, that actually undercuts his argument to be president.
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And that's what Trump was exploiting there. Like, look, it's one thing if you got a little
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bit of a limp or you got a stutter or something, but this guy says he can't read. I like presidents
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who read. Okay. I like presidents who are illiterate. Okay. Much, much more to get to.
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