The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1944 - We’re Going (Back？) To The Moon!

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00:00:30.080 Folks, we are live at the Kennedy Space Center at Cape Canaveral for the launch of the Artemis II rocket,

00:00:37.180 which means that this is the first time that we have sent a man to the moon in 53 years,

00:00:44.200 or depending on your perspective, ever.

00:00:46.620 As the NASA director speculates on extraterrestrial life,

00:00:50.620 and a former member of Congress swears to have been briefed about alien-human hybrid breeding programs here on Earth,

00:00:58.360 The Artemis program stands to restore some much-needed certainty into our knowledge of

00:01:04.020 the cosmos and our confidence in our nation. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:28.360 Welcome back to the show. We are 16 minutes away from the opening of the official launch window

00:01:37.000 when the Artemis 2 rocket could go up on its journey around the moon. It could happen whenever.

00:01:43.060 It could happen exactly in 15 minutes and 51 seconds. It could happen two hours from now.

00:01:49.000 We don't know, but I am here. I am actually as close as it is physically possible to be

00:01:54.300 and not be a member of the crew of Artemis.

00:01:58.120 So we'll see it.

00:01:59.180 We'll hear it.

00:01:59.660 I'm told we will feel it as the earth shakes.

00:02:01.420 We will also be joined by Bill Whittle, host of Apollo 11,

00:02:05.960 what we saw on Daily Wire Plus.

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00:02:10.060 Bill has a scarily encyclopedic knowledge of all things having to do with NASA and Apollo.

00:02:17.540 We also have Matt Walsh, who believes in aliens and might be an alien.

00:02:21.940 We will have him here.

00:02:23.000 He's also very excited.

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00:02:39.560 there's a lot to get to about this mission, about past missions, about the fact that a lot of

00:02:45.600 Americans, especially younger Americans, don't buy that we went to the moon ever. And it's that

00:02:50.620 the skepticism that we went to the moon is increasing. And people that I love, people I'm

00:02:56.340 very close to, I'm not going to say who, but even said to me this morning, he said, hey, Matt, can

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00:04:35.040 This mission is very, very cool.

00:04:39.400 This is the first manned mission to leave low Earth orbit since 1972.

00:04:45.880 That was Apollo 17.

00:04:48.580 This was the 11th crewed mission of the Apollo program.

00:04:52.160 Now, we have sent objects outside of low Earth orbit.

00:04:56.300 Artemis 2 follows Artemis 1 just a few years ago.

00:04:59.020 It was in 2022.

00:05:00.320 That obviously did not have a crew. And so this is really big. These astronauts will not be landing on the moon.

00:05:08.060 But the whole point of this is to prepare another another, I believe, opinions may vary, land mission on onto the moon.

00:05:20.000 Because what President Trump has said, what NASA has said, is that we're going to go back to the moon and we're not going to leave this time.

00:05:26.600 We're not just going to go and take science experiments, take photos.

00:05:30.980 There were six manned missions to the moon.

00:05:33.040 By the end of it, they were playing golf.

00:05:35.320 They were driving little dune buggies around the moon.

00:05:38.060 I don't know, they ran out of things to do, and then we stopped going.

00:05:41.740 Twelve astronauts have landed on the moon already.

00:05:45.680 This will be a little more politically significant.

00:05:49.780 Because the United States, just as we were in a space race with the Soviet Union back in the 20th century, 0.70

00:05:55.300 Now we're in another space race with China, and so we want to claim the territory on the moon. 0.98

00:05:59.700 Because even though the moon is pretty big, the territory that you would actually want to establish a base on is relatively small.

00:06:06.340 And so what NASA wants to do is not just have these launches occur every few years.

00:06:11.220 They want Artemis launches every 10 months.

00:06:14.220 And they want to send people to the moon.

00:06:16.100 They want to have people staying on the moon just as people will stay 100 days, 200 days, 300 days in the International Space Station.

00:06:21.900 So, too, they want to do this on the moon.

00:06:24.480 So, what is happening on this mission?

00:06:28.520 The first and most important thing is that NASA brought me this donut.

00:06:32.800 They brought me this delicious Krispy Kreme donut to celebrate Artemis.

00:06:37.480 And, you know, look, I know that the astronauts on the spaceship have suffered a lot.

00:06:42.640 They've trained.

00:06:43.320 They're going to be very physically uncomfortable.

00:06:44.960 I don't think that compares to my physical suffering because it's still lent.

00:06:49.680 And so, I'm not allowed to have this delicious looking donut right now.

00:06:52.720 And so, you know, listen, while you're looking at the physical accomplishments and distresses of the astronauts, keep me in your mind, because it's very difficult to have that nice tasty NASA donut sitting right off to the side.

00:07:06.040 I will go home after this. The astronauts will not.

00:07:08.840 God willing, all things go well.

00:07:10.300 This will be a 10-day mission from launch until splashdown once again in the Pacific off the coast of San Diego.

00:07:18.840 What is the point of this mission?

00:07:21.220 The point of this mission, technically speaking, is to show that the gear works.

00:07:26.420 So one of the points that people make about the Apollo mission is they say,

00:07:31.760 it's so crazy that we were able to go to the moon six times in the 1970s,

00:07:37.380 but we weren't able to go, we're not able to go to the moon today.

00:07:41.260 We've lost the technology, the technology is different now.

00:07:44.000 The technology is totally different now.

00:07:45.480 That was largely analog technology.

00:07:47.360 This is obviously radically different.

00:07:50.540 So we have the Space Launch System Block 1 rocket and the Orion spacecraft.

00:07:55.500 We already know that those work and that they can circle the moon.

00:07:58.080 We want to make sure that they can work with people.

00:08:00.260 The mission will head on up, will fly around the moon,

00:08:03.340 and then will use the gravity of the moon to shoot the astronauts back to Earth

00:08:07.820 So they won't have to make all that much of an electrical or a fuel, you know, alterations.

00:08:17.740 You can tell I'm not really an astronaut.

00:08:19.260 Physics isn't my thing.

00:08:20.400 The other point of this will be to collect data.

00:08:23.140 There will be scientific experiments that take place.

00:08:26.540 And this will be the farthest that any human being has ever been from Earth.

00:08:32.560 So the previous record was Apollo 13.

00:08:35.380 That was the mission that obviously didn't work out very well,

00:08:38.140 though ultimately the crew returned safely.

00:08:40.560 Apollo 13's record was 248,655 miles from Earth.

00:08:47.160 This one's going to beat it by like three inches.

00:08:49.560 But I don't know, it's only by a little bit, I think by 0.5% or something.

00:08:52.640 But they're going to be able to beat it.

00:08:55.840 It will also be the fastest reentry ever.

00:08:58.000 So the astronauts will reenter at 25,000 miles per hour.

00:09:01.700 and when they're actually around the moon, they will get to about 4,000 miles from the moon's

00:09:09.360 surface. So the way to think about that is if you were holding a basketball, not something that I

00:09:14.280 regularly do, but if you were holding a basketball right out at arm's length, that is what the moon

00:09:22.220 will look like to the astronauts. The crew is Commander Reed Wiseman. Reed Wiseman has spent

00:09:31.480 165 days in space on the International Space Station.

00:09:35.460 So this is, I think, his second trip up. There is Victor Glover.

00:09:39.740 Victor Glover is the first non-white guy to travel beyond low Earth orbit.

00:09:45.220 He's already been up in space for 168 days

00:09:47.520 on the International Space Station. Then we have a lady, Christina 0.97

00:09:51.180 Koch, I believe. Koch or Koch, I'm not sure how it's pronounced.

00:09:55.140 328 days on the ISS. And then Jeremy Hansen, who is a Canadian.

00:09:59.060 And what more needs to be said on that?

00:10:01.480 So these are our brave, intrepid astronauts who are heading up.

00:10:05.160 I believe they've held the clock, if I'm not mistaken.

00:10:08.820 They've held the clock at 10 minutes.

00:10:10.820 That means we are preparing.

00:10:12.340 That means I didn't come down to Cape Canaveral for nothing.

00:10:14.960 So obviously, everyone on the edge of their seat.

00:10:18.520 In the meantime, this gives us an opportunity to think about what this means.

00:10:25.980 Why are we doing this?

00:10:26.940 the first thing you think about is the technical majesty of the whole thing wow isn't it cool that

00:10:34.480 they can make the rocket ship go up i was standing next to one of the engines earlier one of the

00:10:39.500 engines that they've used on these kinds of missions and the thing that struck me so much

00:10:42.740 about it is that it just looks like an engine it looked i don't know i expected it to look

00:10:46.660 different from it but it just looks like a car engine but a lot bigger and it's still kind of

00:10:50.740 greasy and weird and complicated and oily and anyway so the technical marvels are really really

00:10:55.860 amazing. Then the next level is the, I don't know, the political dimension. Why are we spending so

00:11:02.480 much money on this? This thing could cost $40 billion or more. Why are we spending money?

00:11:06.580 What's the point of this? And then there's the deeper perspective, which is the religious

00:11:12.420 dimension. What does this mean? Why are we doing, is it good to do this? Is this going out and

00:11:18.520 exploring God's creation? Is this something God would like? Is this an affront to God? Are we

00:11:23.580 trying to build a tower to Babel here. I was joking a little bit off the top about the large

00:11:29.500 and growing number of people who don't think that we went to the moon in the first place.

00:11:33.480 And a lot of people have religious objections. They say among this relatively modest set of

00:11:39.560 people, but growing, they'll say, well, it's no, this is a little too much. This is Promethean.

00:11:44.540 This is demonic. This is man trying to expand beyond his natural limits. And my point,

00:11:51.940 regardless of whether or not you've even considered the religious perspective, is that

00:11:56.000 the traditional view from the religious authorities in our civilization is that space exploration is

00:12:04.180 very cool. It's very pro. This goes back not just 50 or 60 years, this goes back centuries. This

00:12:10.820 goes back 500 years at least. You think of Pope Gregory XIII. Pope Gregory XIII reformed the

00:12:17.580 calendar, from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar. Coincidental that it had the same name

00:12:22.480 as him. In 1582, in accordance with astronomical observations, the church has been observing the

00:12:31.660 stars, has had astronomers, has had observatories for hundreds and hundreds of years, going back at

00:12:39.020 least to the 18th century. And the Vatican, the church, has worked with NASA, in fact. And I

00:12:47.380 think the clearest justification at a very deep level for what this all means, why are we doing

00:12:52.180 it? Are we doing it to go get minerals off the moon? Are we doing it to stick it to China just 1.00

00:12:56.460 like we stuck it to the Soviet Union? Why are we doing it? I think of Psalm 18, maybe Psalm 19,

00:13:02.840 depending on your edition of the Bible, which is that the heavens show forth the glory of God,

00:13:08.420 and the firmament declareth the work of his hands. Day to day uttereth speech, and night to night

00:13:15.060 It seems to me that the reason to be interested in this is because it is deeply Christian.

00:13:31.760 You know, if you believe that faith and reason are not opposed, but that faith and reason go together,

00:13:37.740 then you should be eager to explore.

00:13:40.980 You think about the explorers who brought us to this country, the explorers who brought us to this continent.

00:13:45.060 These were deeply Christian men, going back especially to Christopher Columbus, who was reading the Liturgy of the Hours on his ship.

00:13:53.200 Deeply pious Christian man.

00:13:56.040 What was the name of the ship?

00:13:57.740 The Nina, the Pinta, and what?

00:13:58.700 The Santa Maria, the Saint Mary.

00:14:01.460 This desire to go out and to understand the world, it can be Promethean.

00:14:08.000 It can be wicked.

00:14:08.900 It can try to take the created world for our own uses.

00:14:14.060 But really, I think what motivates exploration, whether we're talking about scientific discovery,

00:14:18.760 whether we're talking about physical discovery, whether we're talking about sailing around the world or flying up to the stars,

00:14:24.800 what motivates it in the best way is to come to know the glories of God.

00:14:29.000 Because the existence of God can be known with certainty from the created world.

00:14:32.840 And the more we see about the world, the more we see that the heavens show forth the glory of God.

00:14:36.600 So I think it's very exciting. There's nothing to be worried about from a traditional religious perspective.

00:14:43.120 Though it does raise major questions.

00:14:45.800 For one, are the astronauts going to go see aliens up there?

00:14:49.800 The NASA administrator is Team Alien, which is why I'm really glad that I'm here and not Matt Walsh.

00:14:57.180 We'll get to that momentarily.

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00:16:18.220 That is the first statement that gets me to wonder. Maybe we didn't go to the moon the first

00:16:22.360 time. However, I'm looking at the clock. We're still firmly fixed at T-minus 10 minutes.

00:16:30.040 It is 6.21 p.m. Eastern time. The official launch window opens up at 6.24. So we'll either be

00:16:39.160 together for two hours and go home empty-handed if they don't launch it. Or this rocket could be

00:16:44.360 going up in the sky any minute. The first time in 53 years that we have sent people to the moon.

00:16:52.040 And just yesterday, the NASA administrator, Jared Isaacman, said that he believes in aliens.

00:16:58.960 Do we have the clip? I think most people, if you ask them, at the night sky, they look up and see

00:17:04.420 all the stars and they're like, okay, well, that's one galaxy. There's two trillion galaxies. And how

00:17:08.640 many stars are there and how many of them have exoplanets in a in a goldilocks zone yeah sure

00:17:13.860 surely there must be life out there somewhere i would say there is a chance there could be life

00:17:18.660 out there everywhere um if we go now it doesn't mean it looks like us it doesn't mean it has the

00:17:23.600 tentacles like you have in the movies but i would say if we can get to mars and we can bring samples

00:17:28.180 back i'd put it a better 90 chance that we could prove there is some there was some microbial life

00:17:34.420 on mars now we have a mission called europa clipper going to the moon of europa where we

00:17:39.300 think there could also be biosignatures we are launching a nuclear-powered octocopter in 2028

00:17:45.440 to go explore saturn's moon of titan now what if you find biosignatures there it changes the whole

00:17:51.900 equation from looking up and saying well the odds would say surely it's out there somewhere to what

00:17:56.080 if in our own solar system it could be everywhere that would be i think the most i mean it would be

00:18:00.800 the most consequential discovery in human history. Nah. Look, far be it from me to question the NASA

00:18:10.800 administrator, who is doing a great job. I mean, here we are. I have heard people saying that this

00:18:18.060 NASA administrator, Jared Isaacman, has done more to accelerate and make more efficient this agency

00:18:25.100 in 12 months than previous administrators did in many, many years.

00:18:30.680 This is all very exciting, and I'm sure he's very good at running the agency,

00:18:33.880 but he's totally wrong on the aliens.

00:18:36.420 I just don't buy it.

00:18:37.980 Because the argument, the argument, of course, always is,

00:18:41.700 but the universe is so big.

00:18:44.400 Are we counting down?

00:18:46.580 Here we go, baby.

00:18:47.920 We're counting down.

00:18:49.040 The window is open.

00:18:50.840 We had bets among the Michael Knowles show team.

00:18:53.560 we said, when is this countdown going to start? And I was, and I have to say the man who I borrowed

00:18:59.580 these glasses from, Nick, we were very much on team. They are going to start this countdown

00:19:04.160 immediately when the window opens. And Mr. Davies is going to owe us a bunch of drinks later tonight

00:19:10.720 because he bet that it was going to take much longer. Anyway, this is very exciting. It's all

00:19:15.840 about to take off. And it gives us just enough time to point out that the NASA administrator

00:19:20.460 is totally wrong on aliens. Not only is he the administrator of NASA, but he's also a

00:19:24.840 commercial astronaut himself. So I know, look, I know he's got more hands-on experience,

00:19:28.880 but the argument that the cosmos is so big, therefore, statistically, there must be some

00:19:35.560 aliens somewhere, that doesn't really hold water. Because in order to ascertain the probability of

00:19:40.720 something, what needs to be done is you need to know something about how that thing comes to be

00:19:46.000 in the first place. And when it comes to the natural origins of life, we don't have anything.

00:19:49.880 We just don't have it.

00:19:51.080 So anyway, we'll find out.

00:19:53.120 Who knows?

00:19:53.580 Maybe when the NASA astronauts are on that other side of the moon,

00:19:58.400 and they are going to see parts of the moon that other astronauts have never been able to see before,

00:20:03.620 maybe they'll see a little green man or a little gray man.

00:20:06.780 But until then, I'm not really buying it.

00:20:09.140 Now, many, many people hold the view that the NASA administrator does,

00:20:15.020 including people like C.S. Lewis and a lot of people, including people even like Matt Walsh.

00:20:21.280 Another political figure has taken the alien talk a little further.

00:20:26.660 That would include former Congressman Matt Gaetz,

00:20:30.720 who just claimed that the military is breeding aliens with humans

00:20:39.100 to create a hybrid race of little green-ish men. 0.52

00:20:45.020 I think the most important information will be the biologics that are not human that have been discovered.

00:20:52.220 And even some of the briefings that aren't classified just need to be out in the public.

00:20:57.680 I mean, I had someone come and brief me who was in a military uniform, worked for the United States Army,

00:21:03.400 that was briefing me on the locations of hybrid breeding programs where captured aliens were breeding with humans

00:21:11.180 to create some hybrid race that could engage in intergalactic communication an actual uniform

00:21:17.260 member of the united states army briefed me on that what they explained is that the military

00:21:23.180 ran a very secret program where uh aliens that were living were in forced breeding programs with

00:21:31.900 uh humans that had been abducted from war zones and from even uh the caravans of uh of migrants

00:21:40.380 Now, again, I didn't verify this, but what the whistleblower was telling me is that there were, like, between 6 and 12 locations around the country.

00:21:52.140 So in case you missed that, in case you didn't, there are apparently 6 to 12, up to a dozen military bases, where the United States military is raping aliens.

00:22:08.940 or humans with aliens, or aliens with humans. 0.78

00:22:13.620 In any case, lots, it's a forced breeding, that's great.

00:22:18.580 The former congressman, Matt Gaetz, is saying publicly 0.90

00:22:23.920 that uniformed military personnel are claiming that the Army is raping aliens.

00:22:31.700 And I don't, look, I've gotten along very nicely with Matt Gaetz,

00:22:35.960 But I don't, color me a little skeptical.

00:22:40.240 I don't really, I just don't, what I'm saying is I don't, look, I don't even believe in aliens.

00:22:45.120 So I don't really believe in the hybrid programs about, okay, what is this about?

00:22:52.680 Look, first of all, I'm not calling Gates a liar.

00:22:55.720 There are lots of kooky people out there.

00:22:57.880 First of all, it might just be that this guy who briefed him, he said this was not in a classified setting.

00:23:02.340 It was not in his skiff.

00:23:03.140 It was not in his official office, I don't think, in Washington, D.C.

00:23:06.440 So this guy, I don't know, it might have been a guy who just ran to the Army surplus store,

00:23:09.780 grabbed a camouflaged T-shirt, showed up, said,

00:23:11.800 Congressman, I have something to tell you.

00:23:13.240 But even if it were a member of the military, there are a lot of weirdos out there.

00:23:16.760 You know, there are a lot of people in positions of real power and authority

00:23:22.320 who believe lots of kooky things.

00:23:25.000 And I guess this is my point, as we've been joking for the whole show,

00:23:29.100 which is, you know, hey, this is our first time back to the moon in 53 years,

00:23:32.940 or depending on your perspective, ever.

00:23:35.800 Because a lot of people think we never went to the moon.

00:23:39.880 The numbers are pretty wild.

00:23:43.160 One in ten Americans is dead certain that we did not go to the moon.

00:23:49.540 That's one in ten Americans.

00:23:51.560 However, when you change the question from,

00:23:54.200 are you sure this thing is fake, to are you skeptical?

00:23:56.840 Are you not totally sure that we...

00:23:58.960 The number jumps to 1 in 5.

00:24:01.320 20% of Americans wonder, are not totally sure, think that maybe we faked the moon landing.

00:24:10.520 When you get younger and younger, those numbers go up and up.

00:24:14.600 So when you get to millennials, 1 in 4, just under 1 in 4 millennials, thinks that the moon landing is fake.

00:24:21.700 Those numbers hold firm with the zoomers as well. 0.99

00:24:25.000 So when you look at Americans ages 50 and under, Americans 50 and under are three times as likely as other Americans to think that the moon landing was fake.

00:24:35.260 You look at Americans 34 and under, that number jumps to six times as likely.

00:24:40.360 Why?

00:24:41.660 Why is it?

00:24:42.460 Well, one, because of the prejudices and temptations of presentism.

00:24:49.960 You see this in all of politics.

00:24:53.560 We just think that we're the best.

00:24:55.960 We think we're the best.

00:24:56.960 And so we think that we're much more moral than anybody who came before us.

00:25:01.120 That's why we topple statues.

00:25:03.160 That's why we tear down people like Thomas Jefferson, because he owns slaves. 0.67

00:25:06.260 We kill 70 million babies a year.

00:25:08.040 But no, forget about that.

00:25:08.840 We're good.

00:25:09.400 We're the most moral people ever.

00:25:10.720 But Thomas Jefferson owns slaves, so we're much better than he is.

00:25:13.680 We think we're smarter.

00:25:15.380 We say, look, I have this little device right here.

00:25:17.760 Look at this.

00:25:18.180 I have this little port-to-hell in my pocket, this magical little device.

00:25:21.740 And so, therefore, I know more than anybody who came before me.

00:25:25.160 I know more than Thomas Aquinas.

00:25:27.000 I know more than Aristotle.

00:25:28.440 I know more than Julius Caesar.

00:25:30.060 I know more than everybody, more than Cicero, because I can access information.

00:25:34.760 Now, I don't actually know more than any of those people.

00:25:37.600 But we flatter ourselves that way.

00:25:39.720 And so I think that's what's going on with the moon landing stuff.

00:25:43.520 And what's going on here in T-minus 2 minutes and 51 seconds is that we're going to get a little injection of certainty.

00:25:54.820 That's the point here, I think.

00:25:57.040 I don't really blame people for thinking we didn't go to the moon.

00:25:59.860 I'm going to confess something.

00:26:01.400 Can I be honest here, even though I'm on federal property?

00:26:03.660 I've wondered myself.

00:26:05.140 In fact, there was one time not that long ago.

00:26:07.760 I come home to sweet little Alisa and I say, we didn't go to the moon.

00:26:11.500 I said, why, Mike?

00:26:12.680 and I said, we didn't go to the moon

00:26:14.280 because I saw someone sent me a link

00:26:16.340 to some bootlegged documentary

00:26:18.960 from 20 years ago or something

00:26:21.620 in which it proves we didn't go to the moon.

00:26:24.200 She said, what?

00:26:24.880 And I'd already watched it.

00:26:25.720 I made her, we watched it again.

00:26:27.800 I finished watching it the first time with her.

00:26:29.880 I said, see, we didn't go to the moon.

00:26:31.160 She was a little more skeptical.

00:26:32.180 And then I said, let's watch it again.

00:26:33.500 I went back to the beginning to show it to her again.

00:26:35.320 By the time I got through the second time,

00:26:36.460 I said, oh, wait a minute, we did go to the moon.

00:26:39.340 In two minutes, we're going to get a lot more certainty.

00:26:42.680 I don't blame people, especially because we haven't done it within living memory for a ton of Americans.

00:26:50.200 The argument that I always found most persuasive as to why we didn't fake the moon landing

00:26:56.460 is that the Soviet Union would never have let us get away from it, get away with it, 0.95

00:27:03.440 or get away from the hoax of it all.

00:27:06.440 You know, we were in a very serious Cold War,

00:27:09.520 and the whole reason that we had the space program

00:27:11.540 was because of the space race against the Soviet Union.

00:27:14.080 Don't you think,

00:27:15.400 I love a conspiracy theory as much

00:27:17.720 as the next guy, I think it's a sign of an active mind,

00:27:19.720 but don't you think

00:27:20.760 that had we actually faked it,

00:27:23.720 the Soviet Union might have called us out for it?

00:27:26.360 The Soviet Union would regularly

00:27:27.620 lie about us to make us look bad.

00:27:29.760 You don't think they would tell the truth to make us look bad?

00:27:32.440 So we're in this crisis,

00:27:34.000 this kind of epistemological crisis politically

00:27:36.200 because we don't know that we can

00:27:38.200 trust anything anymore.

00:27:39.520 especially with the advent of AI. We don't know if we can trust our eyes. We certainly don't think

00:27:42.860 we can trust the media, what we see. We don't trust the government because Dr. Fauci lied to us.

00:27:47.500 We don't really trust historical events as they fade away from memory. This is one of the reasons

00:27:54.520 why it's important for us to do things again. You know, politics, political communities, even the

00:28:00.680 individual human life is not just about doing something once and then being done with it. It's

00:28:04.440 about cultivating habits and obtaining objectives and then building on those objectives. Now this

00:28:11.180 is where you're getting from the president. We're going back to the moon and we're not going to

00:28:15.480 leave this time. We're going back. How are we looking on our clock? 19 seconds. Here we go,

00:28:23.440 baby. Okay. I don't think I'm going to be able, I would happily monologue during this.

00:28:27.660 I'm not going to be able to because I think the earth is going to shake.

00:28:31.040 Seven, six, five, four, three, two, one.

00:28:40.680 Wow.

00:28:43.220 Oh, man.

00:28:46.600 I have to switch my sunglasses to the polarized ones.

00:28:49.820 That is freaking cool.

00:28:57.660 Wow.

00:29:27.660 You can feel it in your jets.

00:29:40.720 It's difficult to describe watching a stream of fire that hot and that big with that much force this close.

00:29:55.560 Wow.

00:29:56.200 when it when it takes off you actually don't really hear or feel it you have to wait for it

00:30:02.600 to rise up that is one of the coolest things i have ever seen in my life and i've seen a lot

00:30:09.980 of very cool things it's so bright i actually had to change sunglasses to these slightly better

00:30:18.320 cheap sunglasses wow

00:30:20.980 That was very, very cool.

00:30:35.340 Now, of course, the question is just, where are they going to ditch that rocket ship, you know, so that they can pretend to go to the moon and, you know, I don't know, get on a boat or something.

00:30:42.900 No, I'm joking. I'm joking. I think that's real.

00:30:44.660 Thank God, too, you know, there was this fear after, of course, the Challenger explosion in the 80s, after the Columbia re-entry disaster in 2003.

00:30:57.240 There was a real fear, God forbid, something would go wrong on this mission.

00:31:02.900 And it seems to have gone just perfectly.

00:31:07.600 You can still see it.

00:31:09.000 You can still see a little dot out there.

00:31:11.400 the clouds of smoke are pretty stationary

00:31:17.620 wow now i'm very very excited i think soon we'll be going to some of our guests

00:31:27.720 including the great bill whittle who is as obsessive and encyclopedic about the american

00:31:33.760 space program as anyone i've ever met as well as matt walsh who might be one of those alien hybrids

00:31:40.340 that Matt Gaetz was talking about.

00:31:44.040 Let me know when we have Mr. Whittle,

00:31:47.060 because I have about a billion questions for him.

00:31:49.880 In the meantime, I do want to get to the chat a little bit.

00:31:52.540 Everyone's just saying the same thing as me.

00:31:54.160 Freaking cool.

00:31:55.940 Godspeed indeed.

00:31:57.580 The smell of burning rocket fuel is the next Michael Knowles candle.

00:32:00.480 That'd be a pretty good one.

00:32:01.780 Don't blow up.

00:32:02.400 Don't blow up.

00:32:03.040 Yep.

00:32:06.100 I'm going to cancel my subscription after this.

00:32:07.860 We're not going to beat this

00:32:11.080 At this point

00:32:11.980 Bit of a flutter

00:32:14.900 That was awesome

00:32:16.060 Stove 1776 says AI slop

00:32:18.900 I don't know if you're being facetious or not

00:32:21.360 I know

00:32:22.300 I get the impulse to blame everything

00:32:25.320 On AI

00:32:26.000 But I am physically

00:32:28.640 This is me, this is real Michael

00:32:30.380 It's not like, I don't know how to prove it

00:32:32.640 Hey look, I have five fingers on my hands

00:32:33.980 If I had a six finger, you'd know I'm AI Michael

00:32:36.760 But I'm real Michael

00:32:37.720 I'm really here.

00:32:39.840 I really saw and felt that.

00:32:42.820 Can you still see?

00:32:43.720 Now it's out of sight.

00:32:45.920 The cloud's obviously not really moving at all.

00:32:49.780 Unbelievable.

00:32:52.400 Unbelievable.

00:32:54.400 Are they actually going to be landing on the moon?

00:32:56.320 Okay, hold on.

00:32:56.800 I've lost the chat.

00:32:58.420 NASA can send a rocket into space, but I can't get my chat to work.

00:33:02.940 America is the best, and it's not even close.

00:33:05.100 So true.

00:33:05.660 Brady K, I finally made it to a live with Michael.

00:33:10.020 What was for breakfast this morning?

00:33:11.300 The important questions.

00:33:12.920 What was for breakfast?

00:33:14.420 I actually had a nice little eggs benedict at the hotel.

00:33:16.900 That's my move when I go to a hotel.

00:33:19.380 Because even cheap hotels have eggs benedict a lot of the time.

00:33:22.340 Okay.

00:33:24.420 Bring on Bill, he's so great.

00:33:26.080 Yes, I'm very excited.

00:33:29.340 Mission Control Nashville will tell me when we have Bill on.

00:33:33.400 My boys are thrilled that Knowles is visiting our town.

00:33:35.860 Oh, are you here? You're here over by Cape Canaveral? Very cool.

00:33:39.460 I watched a rocket launch from an oil rig once.

00:33:42.040 It was blindingly bright. Truly amazing.

00:33:45.680 Ice shield will get hit soon, says Spiegel's.

00:33:48.120 Well, that's the question. Yeah, when will the rocket just hit the firmament?

00:33:53.920 The ice shield firmament? That we don't know.

00:33:55.800 We're going to find that out momentarily, I'm sure.

00:33:59.080 Houston has him. There we go.

00:34:02.440 I love being American.

00:34:07.540 Whoa, Isabel Brown coming in hot. 1.00

00:34:09.520 Where's Isabel Brown? 1.00

00:34:10.980 Do we have Isabel Brown coming in, too? 0.86

00:34:13.200 I don't know.

00:34:13.940 I don't know where that's coming in.

00:34:15.140 Love to leave those glasses on all week.

00:34:16.980 Yeah, I don't know about that.

00:34:20.400 This is the kind of greatness that we voted to bring back.

00:34:22.780 Yeah, I think this is true.

00:34:24.340 I think this is what a lot of Americans have been missing for a while.

00:34:28.000 I came up in politics during the Tea Party era when everyone just said,

00:34:31.380 We need to spend less money and do less stuff and whatever.

00:34:33.440 We just need the smallest government possible.

00:34:34.940 It's very libertarian-toned.

00:34:37.060 And then Trump comes around and he says, no, I want to be big and great.

00:34:40.600 I don't want to spend less money.

00:34:41.680 I want to make more money.

00:34:42.880 I want to be richer.

00:34:43.840 I want to be bigger.

00:34:44.540 But I want to spend more money.

00:34:46.160 And I want to go to the moon.

00:34:47.120 I want to stay on the moon.

00:34:48.140 And I want to build a Trump casino on the moon.

00:34:50.060 And I want us to be big and American.

00:34:52.580 Okay, to celebrate this, we have our friend Bill Whittle, the host of What We Saw, Apollo 11.

00:34:58.980 Bill, do we have you?

00:35:01.040 You got me, Michael. How are you?

00:35:03.240 I don't have you.

00:35:04.520 Yes, okay, I do. There's a slight delay.

00:35:07.000 You know, the way that our control room is set up in Nashville,

00:35:09.940 I think probably the astronauts can speak to Houston faster than I can speak to you.

00:35:14.180 Bill, I'm just going to throw this out there.

00:35:16.640 I just watched that rocket ship take off.

00:35:18.880 So I am now pretty confident that we actually do go to outer space.

00:35:24.040 One in ten Americans say we never went to the moon.

00:35:26.240 One in five say they're not sure.

00:35:28.060 One in four millennials say we never went to the moon.

00:35:31.000 People under 50 are three times as likely to say we didn't go.

00:35:33.560 People under 34, six times as likely.

00:35:35.480 Did we go to the moon, Bill?

00:35:37.520 Yeah, we sure enough did, Michael.

00:35:38.940 And the reason, as we mentioned in the incredible work that you guys did for me and with me on Apollo 11,

00:35:44.660 what we saw is that the moon landing is presented to the public as something that just parachuted in out of space.

00:35:51.300 Like we just decided we got up, we woke up, built a rocket, and we went and then we came back.

00:35:55.620 But the thing that they're missing is the context of all of the years prior to the Apollo 11 launch.

00:36:00.680 We were going to the moon every three months before we landed on the moon.

00:36:04.420 We went to the moon in December of 1968.

00:36:08.020 We were flying Apollo missions every three or four months.

00:36:10.900 And so when you run into people who have a hard time believing it,

00:36:13.620 you really have to kind of start with like the V2 rocket or a bottle rocket

00:36:16.780 and ask them at what point does this not become real?

00:36:20.000 We had a Mercury flight that went into suborbital flight.

00:36:22.700 Then we did an orbital flight with the Mercuries.

00:36:24.320 Then we did two people in the Jiminy's and then we tested out the Apollo command module in Earth orbit.

00:36:29.660 Was that fake? We went around the moon. Was that fake?

00:36:32.600 We tested the lunar lander in Earth orbit and then we tested it in lunar orbit.

00:36:37.420 All of this happened before we landed.

00:36:39.540 And so if you if you present the moon landing as sort of this one off thing, it becomes kind of easy to believe that it was a fake deal.

00:36:46.540 But for those of us that grew up with it, Michael, it was just a regular event that happened every three or four months.

00:36:54.580 And there was no point ever in the history of the space program where there was this incredible jump that happened.

00:37:01.420 There was never a point when all of a sudden something magic entered the equation.

00:37:05.340 So one in 10 Americans, and to be honest with you, it's a lower number than I thought, are mistaken, I'm afraid, although I understand why they're mistaken.

00:37:13.640 And I understand why younger people tend to believe it didn't happen, largely because younger people have grown up with so much technology that they think it didn't happen because we didn't have enough tech.

00:37:26.180 But as it turns out, on Apollo 11, we had the two most advanced flight computers, I would say, in the universe, walking that lunar module all the way down.

00:37:35.960 And those two flight computers were named Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin.

00:37:43.640 A very good point. And in fact, on the Apollo 11 mission, Neil Armstrong took over manually.

00:37:49.820 At the very last second, the kind of drama that could come out of Hollywood, which is maybe why people think it did come out of Hollywood.

00:37:57.360 What do you make of the Artemis compared to Apollo? Obviously, very different tech.

00:38:04.040 One of the arguments that the people who say we didn't go to the moon make is that it's crazy to think that we had the technology to do it,

00:38:11.760 and then we just accidentally lost it, oopsie-daisy.

00:38:14.380 How different is Artemis from Apollo,

00:38:17.080 and what does this mean for the future of American space exploration?

00:38:22.240 Well, to be perfectly honest with you,

00:38:23.540 the Artemis spacecraft is not really significantly different

00:38:28.880 or at least not radically more advanced than the Apollo command service module.

00:38:34.920 The answer to the question of why we didn't go back

00:38:37.400 is always expressed as a we lost the technology.

00:38:41.760 We never lost the technology. The space shuttle, which followed Apollo, was infinitely more complex than the Apollo program hardware.

00:38:50.580 We lost the will. And to tell you something, you know, the best way I ever heard this, Mike, in terms of at least assuaging my, you know, my disappointment,

00:38:58.900 was that America is such an amazing country that we got bored going to the moon.

00:39:03.440 But that's exactly what happened. That's exactly what happened.

00:39:06.620 By the time the second moon landing happened, Apollo 12, the ratings were way down.

00:39:11.700 By Apollo 13 had the emergency, obviously.

00:39:15.000 But by the time we got to Apollo 14, nobody was watching.

00:39:18.540 And Richard Nixon was trying to cut budgets.

00:39:20.900 He wanted to cut 15, 16, and 17.

00:39:23.680 We were supposed to go to Apollo 20.

00:39:25.980 And really heartbreakingly, 18, 19, and 20, which were canceled, were going to go to incredible places.

00:39:32.500 They were going to go to the basin of this 200-mile-wide crater named Copernicus.

00:39:37.100 They were going to go to all of these places.

00:39:39.500 But they cut those missions because of lack of public interest and the sense that we needed to spend the money back here on Earth.

00:39:47.020 It was sort of like the point where all of this social pressure and expectation and hope and pride had reached its pinnacle when Neil Armstrong stepped onto the lunar surface.

00:40:01.320 And after that was over, people started saying, OK, well, what's next?

00:40:07.740 And it's an unfortunate reality that the 20 or 30 years that the space shuttle program ran, the space shuttle didn't fundamentally go anywhere different than John Glenn did on Friendship 7 in 1961 or 62.

00:40:23.660 We just went in circles around the Earth again and again.

00:40:26.280 We didn't lose the technology.

00:40:27.920 We lost the will and the determination.

00:40:29.920 nation. And seeing this mission finally clear the pad is a long overdue step in that direction.

00:40:41.340 Okay, so then what is to say that we won't lose the political will now? You know, I think this

00:40:46.940 Artemis program is what, $40 billion or more? You still hear the same things from people

00:40:53.140 focused on domestic issues, which is, you know, we need to rebuild here. Often they'll make the

00:40:59.720 point on foreign policy. They say, we don't want to spend money in the Middle East when we could

00:41:03.980 be spending that money here in America. Well, I bet they can multiply that argument by a hundred

00:41:08.100 or a thousand when they say, we don't need to spend money on this rock circling the earth.

00:41:11.680 We can spend that money here in America. I, for one, am very much in favor of a robust space

00:41:18.160 program. I'm in favor of American greatness. You know, I'm not one of these ideologues who just

00:41:22.720 wants to shrink everything. But what makes you think that the Americans won't lose the political

00:41:27.000 will again well just answer the second part of your statement first we spend half of our budget

00:41:33.000 every year on social programs not like we don't spend any money here on earth we spend two trillion

00:41:38.040 dollars a year on on earth on our citizens uh the space but the space um budget is a is a fraction

00:41:45.640 uh one or two one percent i think of the of the total uh federal budget so the question now is

00:41:51.560 what's different about uh today's world versus uh the 1960s and and i'll be perfectly frank with

00:41:58.120 you michael if it were if it were up to nasa and artemis i would not have any faith that

00:42:03.160 we are going back there because the first space race was a political objective it was a chance

00:42:08.840 to beat the soviets in the cold war using cold war weapon systems this is the thing that most

00:42:15.000 people don't really realize but the apollo program was using ballistic missile technology computer

00:42:20.840 technology, radar tracking, all of these things. And so once we proved that we were better than

00:42:26.660 the godless commies, then the essential purpose of Apollo went away. The hope for the future is

00:42:33.500 with companies like SpaceX, because SpaceX is doing it for profit. And the genius of Elon Musk

00:42:40.980 is not that he builds these incredible rockets or anything. The actual genius of Elon Musk,

00:42:45.660 in my opinion, is that Elon Musk has found a way to make his space program pay for itself

00:42:50.680 through the Starlink satellite system.

00:42:53.700 He's launching his own space internet.

00:42:56.180 His space internet is paying for his launches.

00:42:58.760 And when you realize the value

00:43:00.600 of what is off of the surface of the Earth,

00:43:02.860 the value in terms of minerals,

00:43:04.260 the value in terms of just all kinds of rare things,

00:43:08.560 you can go to space for profit.

00:43:10.200 And if we're not going to space for profit,

00:43:12.280 we're not staying in space.

00:43:14.140 And that's the reason I'm highly confident

00:43:16.820 about this second space race

00:43:18.360 is that we understand that this is a it has to pay its own way and if it does it'll stay

00:43:25.420 it's a great point that you know even look we have a great nasa administrator now 0.69

00:43:33.340 but i'm no expert on it but he seems to have done a great job and obviously we have a very supportive

00:43:37.860 administration but you might not have a supportive administration soon enough and

00:43:42.280 you know you don't want to uh leave this kind of thing just up to the caprices of federal

00:43:47.300 bureaucrats. So I think you're totally right. The fact that you can get someone like Elon and others

00:43:52.240 to add a little bit of a profit incentive here and to bring the private sector in more,

00:43:57.140 it does make me feel a lot more confident about it. The mood is very bullish around here. I mean,

00:44:02.400 people are talking about having a base on the moon by the early 2030s. They're talking about,

00:44:09.180 you know, manned, landed missions and, you know, bringing resources, developing resources there

00:44:16.440 on a very, very quick timescale. How realistic is that? When are we actually going to have the

00:44:23.300 space colony up on Mars whenever Elon gets around to it, but up on the moon in the first place?

00:44:29.880 There's a bunch of important things there. So let me just deal with them one by one. And let me

00:44:33.380 first talk about the capriciousness of depending on government funding. We lost 14 astronauts killed

00:44:38.980 on two different space shuttle missions. And on both of those cases, the shuttle didn't fail.

00:44:45.080 The space shuttle was originally supposed to be carried aloft on the back of an airplane, should have been able to land at any large airport.

00:44:50.940 You could have landed the space shuttle LAX or DFW.

00:44:54.960 And over the course of the development of the space shuttle program, Congress kept cutting the budget for the space shuttle.

00:45:01.200 So they had to go to the external tank and they had to go to the solid rocket boosters because they kept cutting the money.

00:45:07.920 These were engineering shortcuts.

00:45:09.960 Well, it was a burn through in the O-rings on the solid rocket boosters that were a financial band-aid that destroyed Challenger.

00:45:16.120 And it was foam coming off the external tank, which was also an external band-aid, that destroyed Columbia.

00:45:23.120 So it's not only difficult to plan, it's deadly if you don't have confidence that the future is going to be as funded as well as the present.

00:45:31.340 I personally think the most important tweet, certainly of the last year and maybe of the decade or even you can argue conceivably in human history, was when Elon Musk very quietly announced that SpaceX was going for a moon base instead of a Mars colony.

00:45:47.420 This is such a better idea.

00:45:49.220 You can go to Mars from the moon.

00:45:50.820 But if you're just going to fly for six months, plant a flag, the ability to develop a moon base is essential to the exploration of the solar system.

00:46:01.400 Getting something off the surface of the moon is hundreds of times easier than getting it off the earth.

00:46:07.020 You don't have to fight the atmosphere.

00:46:08.680 The gravity is one-sixth as strong.

00:46:10.820 If you can put a base on the moon, the solar system is yours.

00:46:14.860 And Elon is a smart enough guy to understand and to demonstrate what we learned during the Apollo era.

00:46:22.520 And that is we don't know what we don't know until we find out.

00:46:25.420 and if you're going to go to the moon you get to find out with a two or three day travel period

00:46:31.400 not a six month travel period most people don't fully realize that the surface of mars is one

00:46:37.580 percent of the atmospheric pressure of earth it is essentially a perfect vacuum there is nothing

00:46:43.440 about mars that's any different than being on the moon as far as the survival technology goes

00:46:48.320 so do staging all of this stuff where you if you for example let's say you have a problem on the

00:46:54.520 moon base because some piece of technology that's being tried first time isn't working

00:46:58.140 you can get additional supplies repairs rescue teams there you can get them there in three or

00:47:04.100 four days you have a problem like that on mars you might have to wait two years and and this

00:47:09.960 right decision to go to the moon instead of going to mars is the most sensible and the most promising

00:47:16.520 thing for the future of human space spaceflight specifically american spaceflight that i have

00:47:23.280 heard in a long, long time.

00:47:27.960 Bill, I

00:47:29.160 knew. I knew. They said,

00:47:31.200 Michael, who do you want to come on the show?

00:47:33.080 I said, there is one man. There is one

00:47:35.180 man who has an actual encyclopedic

00:47:37.340 knowledge of the American space program

00:47:39.020 and we have to get him.

00:47:41.060 And that is a man who happens to have a great

00:47:43.260 show on Daily Wire Plus right now, which is what

00:47:45.180 we saw, Apollo 11,

00:47:47.260 which you filmed some years ago. And it's

00:47:49.080 even better today than it was all those years

00:47:51.240 ago. Bill, thank you so much for being here. Excellent, excellent to have you.

00:47:55.700 My pleasure, Michael. It's a great day for America. It's a great day for the future.

00:48:02.340 Absolutely. Now, I want to get to Matt Walsh because I had Bill Whittle come on to give me

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00:49:56.220 Mr. Walsh.

00:50:02.220 Do we have Mr. Walsh? Is he here?

00:50:04.600 Do we? We don't have him. I thought we had him.

00:50:07.220 Oh, I got so excited.

00:50:09.020 All right, that's fine.

00:50:10.280 Well, even better.

00:50:11.040 Now I get to talk to you.

00:50:13.300 TC Loyal is a DW Plus subscriber.

00:50:15.860 Why are we hearing ads?

00:50:17.640 Oh, well, because this is live.

00:50:19.980 It's very rare.

00:50:20.840 I know in the marketing we said you don't have to hear ads if you're a Daily Wire Plus subscriber.

00:50:24.460 That is true 99.999% of the time.

00:50:27.760 But in this moment, I felt it was important to go live because, you know,

00:50:32.160 We had a first in 53 years historic event taking place as three Americans and one person from America's evil top hat decided to take a little vacation around the moon.

00:50:43.040 So, very exciting.

00:50:44.300 Please bear with us.

00:50:45.360 We just have to give the ads to the hoi polloi. 1.00

00:50:47.800 The hoi polloi who are on YouTube, whom I love very much, but if they're not on Daily Wire Plus, we need to give them the ads.

00:50:55.060 They get to get the ads.

00:50:56.020 You already know about the ads.

00:50:57.220 Michael has the best segue game in the business.

00:50:58.960 He has smooth as butter going into his reeds.

00:51:00.320 It says Cara B. Joha.

00:51:01.700 Thank you very much.

00:51:02.540 I appreciate that.

00:51:04.000 Did it already launch?

00:51:05.260 It says, I'll tie your music.

00:51:06.660 Oh, I don't want to spoil it.

00:51:08.260 If you're watching, rewind.

00:51:11.700 Just rewind about, I don't know, 25 minutes or so.

00:51:16.060 And in the meantime, as we know, only the Rame de la Rame,

00:51:19.360 only the Daily Wire subscribers get to ask questions here.

00:51:24.060 Let's see.

00:51:26.600 All you new people, yes, it launched.

00:51:28.460 No, don't spoil it.

00:51:30.160 No, it's true.

00:51:30.800 You can go back and watch. Let's see. Lifetime members shouldn't hear promos, says Andy. Yes, Andy, the thing is I would have to change the fabric of space time in order to simultaneously do the live show for the hoi polloi and a different show for you.

00:51:48.260 I agree with you, and look, maybe NASA, maybe President Trump, maybe Elon Musk will allow me to just grab hold of space-time,

00:51:55.040 rip it apart, as I want to rip apart this delicious NASA donut that I cannot eat because it's Lent, but I can't quite do it yet.

00:52:04.260 Let's see.

00:52:04.900 Admitting that your show isn't live regularly says that.

00:52:08.240 I love it.

00:52:08.560 We just shot a rocket ship into space, and people want to talk about the ads policy on Daily Wire.

00:52:13.080 No, my show is regularly live for the creme de la creme, so that's another reason to join Daily Wire.

00:52:18.000 is you get the shows first and then we insert the ads later for the shows that air two and a half

00:52:25.020 hours later during the week. Do you want me to tell you about our staff meetings as well? You

00:52:29.260 want me to tell you about what lunch we cater at the Daily Wire? This is inside baseball, folks.

00:52:33.240 We just sent four people to the moon. This is the problem with politics, you know? It's like we can

00:52:39.600 do the most amazing things. And I'm part, I don't exempt myself from it, but we can do the most

00:52:44.240 amazing things. We say, yeah, but how come my tax went up like $50? I don't know. I don't know why.

00:52:48.980 I don't like taxes either. Is Matt the Canadian? The reason why Matt isn't joining us yet is we've

00:52:54.520 sent him to the moon. We've sent him to the moon because who better to make first contact with the

00:53:00.220 aliens? Watch the launch from my backyard. That's a pretty cool way to do it. We sent four people

00:53:08.040 to the moon. It's a crazy line. I know it is pretty crazy. J.K. Willis. So I get stuck watching

00:53:13.780 on my TV, the Daily Wire YouTube. 0.99

00:53:15.720 It's dumb. Oh, well, you should get the Daily Wire 0.92

00:53:17.440 Plus app for your TV. You can get the app

00:53:19.800 on your TV, not just your phone and your tablet.

00:53:23.180 Let's see.

00:53:24.340 Will you eat the NASA donut

00:53:25.700 after Easter? The problem is it's

00:53:27.580 Krispy Kreme, which is my favorite kind of donut.

00:53:30.460 And they're the best donuts

00:53:31.740 that have ever been made, by far.

00:53:33.700 But the problem with Krispy Kreme is, if you don't

00:53:35.600 eat them within, I'll say

00:53:37.860 generously, 18 hours of their being produced,

00:53:40.400 they're totally worthless.

00:53:42.020 So, I don't know, maybe I'll frame it.

00:53:43.460 It's very cool.

00:53:45.540 Eat the donuts, says Vicious Queso.

00:53:48.500 Mike, do you ever watch the SpaceX launches?

00:53:50.260 Not really.

00:53:50.940 I've never been to one.

00:53:52.000 Sometimes I'll see the video, but I've never been to one.

00:53:54.520 This is the first rocket launch I've ever been to,

00:53:56.860 other than when my grandmother set off a little rocket at the park when I was a child.

00:54:03.600 Matt's hiding out in storage.

00:54:04.840 I'm watching Michael on my TV, says...

00:54:06.240 Yeah, you should watch it on TV.

00:54:07.860 Watching it on TV is great.

00:54:08.960 Michael, what's your favorite show or movie

00:54:11.880 about NASA spaceflight? I guess Apollo

00:54:13.920 13 was pretty good

00:54:15.280 Mars Attacks is a

00:54:17.500 favorite one, Signs by Mel Gibson

00:54:20.040 I know we're getting a little far afield but those

00:54:21.940 are some of my favorite space movies

00:54:24.020 I'm okay with a Trump casino

00:54:25.860 on the moon, that would be great, you know what we should do

00:54:28.100 Trump was talking about building

00:54:29.960 his new presidential library but then

00:54:31.980 he said he doesn't want it to be a library, he said he wants it to be a

00:54:33.940 hotel, which means I was actually right when I

00:54:35.980 said that Trump should just do the

00:54:37.660 Donald J. Trump presidential library and casino, resort casino. I was sort of right on the resort

00:54:43.220 part, not the casino part. Anyway, he should build it on the moon. That would be... Building

00:54:49.900 in Miami is funny. I thought the funniest thing would be Atlantic City. No, no, the moon. That's

00:54:54.480 where we should do it. They sent Trudeau in disguise so they could leave him here. That

00:55:00.660 would be beautiful. Michael, go touch the grass. It looks like a green screen. Okay,

00:55:05.300 You know what?

00:55:05.900 Fine.

00:55:07.040 You know what?

00:55:07.600 Fine.

00:55:08.360 Okay, I'm going to have to take my microphone off.

00:55:09.940 I don't care.

00:55:10.320 I need to prove to you that this is real.

00:55:13.000 Okay, hold on.

00:55:15.740 Hold on.

00:55:16.640 I'm taking my ears out.

00:55:18.500 Can I prove this?

00:55:31.320 I've got the...

00:55:32.120 Why are you handing me the donut?

00:55:33.960 This is real.

00:55:35.140 Did that do it?

00:55:44.520 I hope that did it.

00:55:46.980 I want this donut.

00:55:49.420 There.

00:55:54.520 Did I convince you?

00:55:56.860 It was the most exercise I've had in years.

00:55:59.240 Did I convince you?

00:56:00.980 I need to put my ears back in.

00:56:02.960 Let's see.

00:56:03.760 Let's see.

00:56:04.880 Look what I do for you.

00:56:10.640 I want to know, did I convince you that this is real?

00:56:16.200 Probably not.

00:56:17.000 They're going to say, Michael, that didn't look like a jumping jack.

00:56:21.100 Nicholas, this is great.

00:56:23.180 Mr. Davies is here.

00:56:24.120 He's fixing my microphone.

00:56:24.940 See, it's real.

00:56:25.660 He's there, too.

00:56:26.360 It's real.

00:56:26.800 He's not an AI.

00:56:29.200 Okay, do we have Mr. Walsh?

00:56:31.460 Matt, are you there?

00:56:34.440 I'm here.

00:56:36.020 I don't have him.

00:56:37.580 Oh, hey, I do have, okay, all right.

00:56:39.100 Matt, I was pointing out, the delay in our control room to the guests and to the hosts is much longer than the delay from the moon to Earth.

00:56:51.160 I think the moon, they could broadcast in 4K on the moon.

00:56:54.700 It would be faster than the Daily Wire control room.

00:56:57.720 What do you make of this?

00:56:59.420 What do you make of the NASA administrator saying he believes in aliens?

00:57:02.160 And what do you make of Matt Gaetz saying that the U.S. Army is raping aliens at a dozen sites around the United States to create alien hybrids in any order you like?

00:57:14.520 Wow. Well, I mean, let's let's start with the fact that I just want to say that in case you were you were worried about it, Michael,

00:57:22.280 just know that I'm not bitter at all about the fact that for some reason you're the guy that

00:57:27.300 is there to watch the rocket launch and not me. Not me is the one who's known as the guy who cares

00:57:34.340 about this stuff. So it's you. Can I tell you, they sent me here for the human launch and they're

00:57:41.400 going to have you here for the alien landing. That's how it's going to be fair. We're going

00:57:45.900 to split it up that way. I don't know. I don't know if I want to be there for the alien launch

00:57:50.860 or the alien landing now you know i don't i don't know if i want to be because my feeling is a little

00:57:55.440 bit hurt uh but anyway more more importantly like you know let me just say that i think that uh

00:58:01.940 that before we get to the aliens you know watching the rocket launch which i just watched along with

00:58:07.700 everybody else uh i i think it's extraordinary i think it's beautiful i think it really really

00:58:13.300 matters a lot uh i know there are people who who think that this is a waste of money why we're

00:58:19.520 spending all these billions of dollars uh going to the moon we've already been there or maybe we

00:58:24.760 haven't been there you know there's a there's a is an interesting disconnect because a lot of the

00:58:28.300 people that say we're wasting money going there because we've already been there are also the

00:58:31.620 same people who say we haven't been there so by that logic actually this is our first time going

00:58:36.200 so it makes an even bigger deal but no in fact we've already been there we're going again and

00:58:40.500 that and it matters because uh we could get into all the scientific you know all the all the sort

00:58:46.160 practical benefits of going to the moon and setting up lunar bases. And then you can go

00:58:50.980 from there farther into space. And we can talk about all that stuff. And that's important. But

00:58:55.580 I also think that as a civilization, as a country, as an empire, we need to be reaching out into the

00:59:04.320 unknown, going beyond, exploring, trying to expand. I mean, this is what you do when you're

00:59:12.760 a healthy and thriving nation. It's what America did when we were great, you know, when we

00:59:19.380 were truly great. And so if we really want to make America great again, then I think

00:59:25.200 relaunching the space program in earnest is one of the most important ways to do that.

00:59:31.780 So I'm thrilled by the whole thing. I totally agree. I know, I remember in the Tea Party era,

00:59:39.620 you had a lot of people on the right, but they were a little more libertarian, say,

00:59:44.100 we don't need to waste money on these extraneous programs just to our own glory.

00:59:49.340 We need to just save as much money as possible, shrink the government as much as possible.

00:59:54.360 And I think, no, look, I want the government to be efficient.

00:59:57.180 I don't want us to be wasteful, but I want to do big things.

01:00:01.600 I want to be a great country.

01:00:03.420 I think Trump clearly shares that view.

01:00:05.400 That's why he uses the slogan, make America great again.

01:00:07.900 That's why he's been so supportive of the Artemis program.

01:00:10.420 I think we need to do things in common.

01:00:13.640 We need to, one, recognize the common good as a political concept.

01:00:17.640 But then we've got to go out and be big and cool and explore.

01:00:21.000 I think there's a deeply Christian aspect to exploration.

01:00:23.900 You see this with Christopher Columbus.

01:00:25.980 You see this with the exploration of space.

01:00:29.940 The Vatican has had observatories for hundreds of years.

01:00:32.540 I'm all about it. I'm all for it.

01:00:34.440 But you evaded the question about former Congressman Matt Gaetz's claim that the U.S. Army is raping aliens at a dozen bases around the country to create hybrids.

01:00:43.900 Is that because you're one of them?

01:00:48.020 Well, we're talking about space aliens, I assume.

01:00:51.260 And as far as, look, who knows?

01:00:53.020 I mean, I don't know.

01:00:54.660 It's far beyond for me to declare unequivocally that no aliens have visited.

01:01:02.280 Maybe it's possible.

01:01:03.500 I tend to be skeptical of that. What I believe to be nearly certain is that the universe is vast, and there are trillions upon trillions of planets, and it seems to me a near certainty that a lot of them have life.

01:01:25.720 And whether that means intelligent life, life like our own or some other kind of form of life that we can't conceive of or some kind of rudimentary primitive, primitive life, much like what we find here at the bottom of the ocean or something.

01:01:37.940 I think it could be all of the above. So that that feels certain to me. I'm skeptical of the idea that there have been aliens actually visiting Earth.

01:01:44.260 I'm open to it. I'm open to actual I'm very open to it. And I'd be excited to learn that that was true.

01:01:51.060 I hope that the aliens are not being sexually violated, as what you're describing.

01:01:55.660 But if they're coming here, then it's great.

01:01:57.440 I'm open to the evidence.

01:01:58.260 I haven't seen any of the evidence, but I'd love to see it.

01:02:02.120 If Matt Gaetz has evidence, hey, show it to me.

01:02:04.700 I mean, I'd like to see it.

01:02:08.060 You were losing me a little bit.

01:02:09.680 I was going to cut your line when you were given this pro-alien propaganda.

01:02:14.020 But then I'm glad you came back around so that we can at least find common ground,

01:02:17.960 even between the pro-alien camps, the anti-alien camps, to say, if aliens do exist, it would be

01:02:24.620 wrong for the United States military to sexually molest them at bases around the country to create

01:02:31.360 a hybrid race of half-Martian, half-human people for some purpose that is not yet understood.

01:02:39.300 I'm glad we could at least come back, you know, have a little bit, I guess that's kind of the

01:02:43.160 moderate view. Okay, it is never okay to molest the aliens, which, in my opinion, do not exist.

01:02:49.920 Matt, I'm going to leave it there on that really sober and sobering point. Wonderful to be with

01:02:55.480 you. And, you know, hey, listen, man, maybe the next time we go back to the moon in 53 years,

01:03:01.160 maybe, you know, you can do it then. But, you know, for now, you got to wait for the alien

01:03:06.480 landing. Thank you very much for being here. Thank you to all of you for being here. You know,

01:03:11.860 The only thing I'm going to leave you on, since we're doing repeats today,

01:03:16.600 you know, we have gone back to the moon, we are going back to the moon for the first time in 53 years.

01:03:22.700 So since we're doing repeats, I'll leave you on a little bit of wisdom that occurred to me earlier when I was writing the show

01:03:30.180 and that we read at the top of the show.

01:03:31.840 Psalm 18, the heavens show forth the glory of God, and the firmament declareth the work of his hands.

01:03:38.860 Day to day uttereth speech, and night to night showeth knowledge.

01:03:41.820 There are no speeches nor languages where their voices are not heard.

01:03:44.720 Their sound hath gone forth into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

01:03:49.480 Wonderful to be with you for this very historic event that, thank God, has gone off beautifully so far.

01:03:55.440 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show. See you later.

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The Michael Knowles Show - April 02, 2026

Ep. 1944 - We’re Going (Back？) To The Moon!

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