The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1945 - BREAKING： Trump FIRES AG Pam Bondi

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00:00:14.600 The Supreme Court takes on birthright citizenship and gay conversion therapy.

00:00:19.900 Then, speaking of aliens and weird sex stuff, sitting members of Congress seem to back up

00:00:27.620 Matt Gaetz's claims of extraterrestrial human breeding programs.

00:00:32.340 Didn't totally see that one coming.

00:00:34.160 And President Trump fires his attorney general.

00:00:37.120 This is just the second major firing of the second Trump administration

00:00:40.720 as the Iran war finishes up its fifth week.

00:00:44.300 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:00:45.000 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:49.900 big news in the trial of charlie kirk's alleged murderer tyler robinson we will get to that

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00:01:17.140 most significant political event of last year, really, as far as I'm concerned,

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00:03:01.200 Supreme Court cases and alien breeding programs and all the rest, Pam Bondi's out, the Attorney

00:03:07.080 General. This is only the second major firing of the top level of the Trump administration,

00:03:13.180 this go around. The first one was just a week or so ago, Kristi Noem out as Secretary of Homeland

00:03:18.960 Security, more than one week now. I guess it's been a little bit. This one is also not a surprise.

00:03:25.400 The Kristi Noem firing was not a surprise, and the Pam Bondi firing, not a surprise.

00:03:31.140 Kristi Noem because there had been a lot of heat on the deportations, especially after Minnesota,

00:03:36.640 after the left more or less threatened civil war and made a big case about how that lady and then

00:03:44.460 the rabble rouser guy were killed in altercations with the police. The handling of all that,

00:03:49.460 it wasn't great for the Trump administration. So no surprise that Kristi Noem was moved out 0.88

00:03:54.420 of that role. And after that, everyone was saying, okay, how much longer does Pam Bondi have?

00:04:00.020 The reporting is that Bondi was fired because the Swalwell investigation leaked.

00:04:06.300 Congressman Eric Swalwell, the once and future Democrat presidential candidate now running for governor of California, probably illegally.

00:04:14.460 Swalwell allegedly had an affair with a Chinese spy named Fang Fang.

00:04:19.260 And just a few days ago, that news leaked.

00:04:22.040 According to the reporting, so this is hearsay upon hearsay, upon rumors, upon gossip, upon reporting.

00:04:27.660 uh president trump thought that maybe pam bondi was behind that i don't know if that's true or

00:04:33.920 not i never believe mainstream reporting or at least i don't take it at face value the fact is

00:04:38.800 this is no surprise at all this was coming regardless of fang fang or eric swalwell and

00:04:44.380 the reason for that is that uh the the biggest fumble of last year for the trump administration

00:04:50.620 was the handling of the Epstein files. The binders and the reports that the files were on the

00:04:57.840 attorney general's desk, the list of the clients, but then there was no list of the clients.

00:05:02.940 And then the whole thing was a fumble. I'm not saying it was all Pam Bondi's fault. It might

00:05:06.500 not have been Pam Bondi's fault. But regardless, she was at the top of that. And so certainly

00:05:11.800 after the shakeup at DHS, Bondi was the weakest link. She's out. The takeaway for me from the

00:05:18.120 Bondi firing is that she lasted a really long time. That's the same thing I would say about

00:05:23.800 Kristi Noem. She lasted a really long time. And more than whatever that says about the two women,

00:05:29.720 it's what it says about this Trump administration. In the first Trump administration,

00:05:33.940 President Trump was firing people after five minutes on Twitter. This time, he's given a

00:05:39.340 lot more grace because I think of the importance of having cohesion in the administration.

00:05:45.260 All the libs want to do, and some actors on the right, is find division within the Trump

00:05:49.340 administration. Trump has fought that. He's been super disciplined about it. He's obviously learned

00:05:53.780 a lot since the first administration. And so, okay, she made it over a year. This is the time

00:05:58.320 that the White House gets shaken up. Business moves along. Speaking of legal issues, big,

00:06:03.460 big cases at the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is now hearing this case about birthright

00:06:07.700 citizenship. We have had birthright citizenship in this country as a matter of Supreme Court

00:06:13.380 precedent since at least the 1890s. And this comes from the 14th Amendment,

00:06:20.960 the 14th Amendment, which really was just intended to guarantee the citizenship rights

00:06:27.360 of former slaves, but it has been expansively interpreted since then.

00:06:32.540 And actually, it goes back even before the 14th Amendment because of the inheritance from English

00:06:40.040 common law of the notion of a right deriving from the soil, that someone who was born on English

00:06:47.220 soil would be a subject of the king of England. And so our notion of birthright citizenship,

00:06:52.220 even before the 14th Amendment, comes from that. However, times change, and we'll get to what that

00:06:57.420 even looks like today in England, which is where we get the notion of birthright citizenship from.

00:07:01.700 But just on the case, the case is Trump versus Barbara. Barbara is a pseudonym for a Honduran

00:07:08.140 an illegal alien challenging President Trump's executive order, revoking birthright citizenship.

00:07:13.860 They heard oral arguments at the Supreme Court, and here is the newest Supreme Court justice,

00:07:18.540 the left-wing Ketanji Jackson, a woman who during her confirmation hearings could not tell Senator 0.99

00:07:24.640 Blackburn what a woman is because she giggled and said she's not a biologist. Ketanji Jackson,

00:07:31.440 arguably not the most qualified jurist we've ever had on the Supreme Court.

00:07:35.380 Some would say not the brightest bulb in the candelabra.

00:07:40.220 Here is Ketanji Jackson arguing against the Trump administration's claim that the birthright citizenship, as it's currently enforced, doesn't make a lot of sense.

00:07:53.300 I was thinking about this, and I think there are various sources that say this,

00:07:59.340 that you can have, you obviously have permanent allegiance based on being born in whatever country

00:08:06.180 you're from. That's what everybody recognizes. But you also have local allegiance when you are

00:08:12.620 on the soil of this other sovereign. And I was thinking, you know, I'm a U.S. citizen and visiting

00:08:20.260 Japan. And what it means is that, you know, if I steal someone's wallet in Japan, the Japanese 1.00

00:08:29.020 authorities can arrest me and prosecute me. It's allegiance meaning can they

00:08:35.380 control you as a matter of law. I can also rely on them if my wallet is stolen

00:08:41.020 to, you know, under Japanese law go and prosecute the person who has stolen it.

00:08:47.320 So there's this relationship based on even though I'm a temporary traveler, I'm

00:08:51.940 I'm just on vacation in Japan.

00:08:54.180 I'm still locally owing allegiance in that.

00:09:01.020 What?

00:09:01.840 What are we talking about?

00:09:04.300 You're saying that because a person in the United States, whether he's a tourist, whether he's an illegal alien, whether he's in.

00:09:12.220 Because a person who's in the United States has to obey American laws, therefore, he's entitled to birthright citizenship, or his children would be entitled to birthright citizenship, because he is in that sense, by respecting the laws of another country, he is in that sense loyal to that country.

00:09:30.960 He has allegiance to that country. He is subject to the jurisdiction of that country.

00:09:35.720 That's, even if he's a foreign national, that's your best argument, Libs? Your best argument is 1.00

00:09:42.480 that if Ketanji Jackson got mugged in Japan, there would be criminal proceedings over that.

00:09:48.180 Therefore, America doesn't have any right to delineate citizenship. That's your best argument. 0.98

00:09:54.520 it goes on, it gets better. Ketanji Jackson moves beyond the now infamous wallet stolen in Japan

00:10:04.020 argument for birthright citizenship to the notion that babies can establish domicile in foreign

00:10:11.140 countries. Your view of this turns on what the status of the parents are and not the child,

00:10:20.300 as would the born in the United States view of it.

00:10:24.740 Can you help us understand why we wouldn't expect

00:10:28.240 to see a mention of parents in the text of this amendment?

00:10:32.300 I think it was well understood that, for example,

00:10:34.500 children cannot, you know, newborns cannot form domiciles.

00:10:38.000 So every 19th century...

00:10:39.940 That assumes domicile is in the test.

00:10:41.880 And I'm asking you, how do we know

00:10:43.820 that Congress did adopt the test that you say it adopted?

00:10:47.680 When you're looking at 19th century conceptions of allegiance, the notion that the allegiance, again, we say domicile is instantiating the concept of allegiance for aliens as opposed to citizen.

00:10:58.460 All of that, the 19th century, understands the newborns.

00:11:01.740 Domicile, its allegiance, follows the allegiance of the parents.

00:11:04.500 And I point out that their theory relies on parental allegiance as well because they recognize the exceptions for, you know, hostile invading armies, for tribal Indians, for ambassadors.

00:11:15.520 again, the child's allegiance status, even on their view.

00:11:19.700 Well, how do you know? Okay, so the question here on domicile refers to a person's home

00:11:28.040 and a person's homeland to establish the place where when you go somewhere else for a while,

00:11:34.280 you intend to return to that place, establishing domicile in the United States.

00:11:38.440 So foreigners who are Honduran or Nicaraguan or whatever, if they come to the United States

00:11:43.640 illegally, they're still foreign nationals, right? Their home is still Nicaragua or Honduras.

00:11:51.180 And then they come here and they have an anchor baby. And according to the current practice of

00:11:57.080 American law, the baby is now an American citizen. The baby will be able to bring not only the

00:12:02.940 parents, but the extended family to the United States. And it's a sneaky way to get into the

00:12:07.140 country. And the government is pointing out, well, this is pretty silly. Babies can't establish 0.97

00:12:15.080 domicile, right? And Ketanji Jackson says, well, why not? Why not? I mean, what makes you think

00:12:19.940 that? And then the solicitor general has to go in and describe what everybody always knew for

00:12:25.560 all of history. And specifically has to go in and explain what domicile meant and what all of

00:12:31.000 these legal terms meant in the 19th century. And let me just get to the question here.

00:12:40.180 Can we acknowledge that this is a problem? Can we acknowledge that this is a serious problem?

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00:14:10.460 a problem? That this is kind of silly? That now you have a huge proportion of births in the United 0.96

00:14:17.580 States born to foreign nationals who are cheating the immigration system. Can we establish that? 0.99

00:14:25.180 Can we establish where we get the concept of birthright citizenship from,

00:14:30.620 which is we get it from the British, the idea of a distinction between the use solely,

00:14:33.760 the right of the soil, and the use sanguine is the right of blood. The notion that you get your

00:14:37.960 citizenship from the blood of your parents versus you get your citizenship because you were born on 0.99

00:14:41.600 certain soil. Well, we get it from the English common law. Guess what? The English, the Brits

00:14:46.260 have not had use solely, right of the soil, birthright citizenship since 1983. So even they 0.57

00:14:52.440 recognize there's a problem. Can we recognize that there's a problem? Here's a little proof,

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00:15:10.000 operating in this country for years. Cracked down on an alleged anchor baby ring on Long Island.

00:15:17.380 Prosecutors say more than 100 pregnant women from Turkey came here to give birth

00:15:21.940 so their children were instantly granted U.S. citizenship. Investigators say the women then

00:15:26.800 used benefits like Medicaid. CBS 2's Carolyn Gossoff reports from Suffolk County.

00:15:31.940 An alert Smithtown town employee noticed a strange pattern of birth certificates,

00:15:36.780 five babies from one house at one time.

00:15:39.880 An investigation led to an international fraud scheme,

00:15:43.020 an alleged birth tourism ring,

00:15:45.300 operating on Long Island for three years.

00:15:47.660 The defendants fraudulently facilitated the births

00:15:51.200 in the United States of approximately 119 Turkish children.

00:15:57.060 And those children now hold birthright U.S. citizenship.

00:15:59.920 It's the 14th amendment that grants citizenship 0.75

00:16:02.460 to any child born in the U.S.

00:16:04.140 Officials say in this case, ringleaders brazenly advertised in Turkey.

00:16:08.880 Translation, if you believe your baby should be born in the USA and become an American citizen, you're in the right place. 0.99

00:16:15.160 This is a business.

00:16:16.280 This is an industry.

00:16:17.280 They do this in China, too.

00:16:18.500 There was a bust of a Chinese version of these birthing farms in 2013. 1.00

00:16:25.560 So can we acknowledge that this is a problem?

00:16:27.620 Yes.

00:16:28.320 Where does the problem derive from?

00:16:29.940 It derives from what is now an outmoded conception from the English common law, so much so that the English got rid of it, and from abuse of the 14th Amendment, which has been perverted way beyond its intention to now declare anyone from Nicaragua that wants to be an American, an American, or China, or Turkey, or anywhere else.

00:16:48.820 Can we acknowledge that?

00:16:49.800 Okay, if that's the case, what's the solution?

00:16:52.020 The solution, very obviously, is to circumscribe birthright citizenship.

00:16:56.780 You don't even need to get rid of it entirely.

00:16:58.280 You just need to circumscribe it.

00:16:59.940 And you can even do that from within the text of the 14th Amendment, which makes exclusions,

00:17:04.820 which the Solicitor General pointed out. The legislators of the 19th century always understood

00:17:11.260 that there were exclusions. Okay, that's what we should do. That's the reasonable thing to do.

00:17:15.740 I hope that the more reasonable liberal jurists on the court, and certainly that the conservative

00:17:20.780 jurists on the court, who are often very disappointing, I hope that they get that.

00:17:26.120 Now, this is an existential problem for the country.

00:17:29.420 If the country can't determine who is a citizen, there is no country.

00:17:32.820 Speaking of Supreme Court cases, another big one, not just oral arguments.

00:17:36.200 We actually got a decision in a case just a few days ago, Chiles versus Salazar.

00:17:41.380 This was a highly controversial case on conversion therapy, so-called conversion therapy in Colorado.

00:17:48.860 What is conversion therapy?

00:17:50.460 Conversion therapy is a term of derision.

00:17:53.720 It's a polemical term used to stigmatize psychological therapy that suggests in any way that LGBTQ identity is not the most desirable thing in the world.

00:18:08.760 And so if a patient goes to a therapist and says, hey, I have these unwanted intrusive sexual thoughts, be they gay or trans or whatever, anything within the LGBT umbrella.

00:18:21.400 I have these intrusive thoughts, they're really bothering me, and I would like some kind of talk therapy to help reduce these unwanted thoughts.

00:18:28.620 If the therapist in Colorado, until just a few days ago, if the therapist said, okay, I'm willing to help you talk through these things, that therapist could lose his license.

00:18:39.680 Because that would be so-called conversion therapy, and that would be terrible.

00:18:45.060 Now, mind you, if a patient went into a therapist and said, hey, I want to identify as the opposite

00:18:54.040 sex. I want to be gay. I want to cultivate various LGBTQ desires. And the therapist said,

00:19:03.140 great, let me help you with that. I'm going to call you by the opposite pronouns. And I'm going 0.99

00:19:07.240 to, I don't know, I'm going to just talk about a bunch of weird sex stuff and encourage you in that

00:19:12.280 journey, that would be totally fine. So that kind of conversion, the conversion visibly from a man

00:19:19.960 to a woman, that's totally fine. That's not conversion therapy somehow. But to tell the man

00:19:25.340 that he's actually a man, the man who comes to the therapist says, I want to know that I am a man.

00:19:31.660 But I feel like I might be a woman sometimes, but I want to know that I'm a man. And the therapist

00:19:36.740 says, well, don't worry. Okay, that's fine. You are a man. That's conversion therapy.

00:19:41.460 A little crazy, right?

00:19:42.680 So the Supreme Court ruled on this, and they ruled to overturn the Colorado ban on so-called

00:19:49.520 conversion therapy.

00:19:50.740 But that's not even the best part.

00:19:52.100 That's good.

00:19:52.800 Obviously, you have to do that.

00:19:54.280 All therapy is conversion therapy, a point I've made for many years.

00:19:57.860 The only reason that you go to a therapist is to convert in some way, to change your 0.90

00:20:03.800 mind.

00:20:04.000 You have a psychological affliction, and you want something to change.

00:20:07.380 You want a conversion of your psyche.

00:20:10.480 but only some types of conversions are allowed. Other conversions are not allowed. And just

00:20:15.700 coincidentally, the way it works is if you convert according to a leftist framework of the mind in

00:20:22.000 the world, that's fine. And if you convert according to a normal or traditional or 0.98

00:20:26.660 commonsensical view of the world, that's not allowed. So the best part of this decision

00:20:31.480 is that it was nearly unanimous. I say nearly unanimous because who was on the opposite side?

00:20:38.460 Eight to one, who was the one? You guessed it, the woman who doesn't know what a woman is. 1.00

00:20:43.600 That would be Ketanji Jackson, the newest member of the Supreme Court.

00:20:47.560 Now, the reason that the Supreme Court found that the conversion therapy ban is illegal or

00:20:54.740 unconstitutional is because it constitutes what's called viewpoint discrimination.

00:20:59.740 Viewpoint discrimination saying that the law is weighing in on ideological matters,

00:21:06.100 and it is promoting certain viewpoints and discouraging other viewpoints. And that's not

00:21:11.800 allowed. And so weirdly, this sounds strange to say it, I'm actually somewhat sympathetic

00:21:18.780 to Ketanji Jackson here. She made the wrong decision. She doesn't understand the law. 0.85

00:21:23.580 But I'm somewhat sympathetic because I think the very notion of viewpoint neutrality, 0.79

00:21:30.520 the idea that the law cannot discriminate based on viewpoints, is kind of silly.

00:21:35.220 Just as a matter of jurisprudence and history, the notion of viewpoint neutrality only really

00:21:41.080 entered our law in 1995. This is not something that goes back to the English common law,

00:21:45.980 to Blackstone, to the late 18th century or the 19th century. This is very, very recent,

00:21:51.240 and it's pretty live, and it's kind of silly. So like Ketanji Jackson, I am much more open

00:21:56.780 to limits on speech. I think that's much more in American jurisprudence and the American tradition

00:22:01.440 and just in the nature of how speech operates. That said, this woman's arguments are ridiculous. 1.00

00:22:07.600 Elena Kagan, a very left-wing member of the Supreme Court, was mocking Justice Jackson's 0.98

00:22:13.620 arguments in this case. This woman just has no grasp on the law. Ketanji Jackson has no grasp 1.00

00:22:20.900 on the law. She has no grasp on formal logic or informal logic. She clearly doesn't understand 0.53

00:22:28.200 the matters that she's supposed to deliberate on. Indeed, she doesn't understand what a woman is. 1.00

00:22:34.760 And so this is a further point, I guess, where I differ from the originalists or the textualists,

00:22:40.440 and I embrace more of a conservative jurisprudential tradition, is if you saw this case

00:22:49.500 two years ago, three years ago, whenever Ketanji Jackson was appointed to the court,

00:22:53.780 it would have been a unanimous decision. The libs and the conservatives agree on this.

00:22:59.280 It's not, this is, it's crazy based on American law that this law in Colorado would pass.

00:23:07.540 However, if you had a court full of Ketanji Jacksons,

00:23:13.240 the American jurisprudence would be shredded. The court wouldn't even know what it was talking

00:23:18.980 about, but it would just rule in a highly ideological, radical left-wing way. 0.90

00:23:22.600 And the scary thing is, especially if we get a Democrat president in 2029, you're going to get more Ketanji Jacksons.

00:23:30.200 It's not just that the court is getting more liberal.

00:23:32.620 It's that the liberals are getting, how do I say this in a way that doesn't engage in the sin of detraction?

00:23:40.100 They're not sending their best.

00:23:42.320 The liberals are getting much worse.

00:23:44.380 even just as a matter of competence, as understanding the job beyond even ideology,

00:23:52.060 they're not what they once were. There is no comparison between a Ketanji Jackson and an

00:23:57.420 Elena Kagan. Or even between a Ketanji Jackson and a Sonia Sotomayor, who again, herself is not

00:24:03.880 exactly Blackstone, okay? Really sad, really silly. The Supreme Court is supposed to be 0.96

00:24:11.500 this kind of rock-solid element that restrains the passions of the other parts of the government,

00:24:18.140 that the executive, which is the thematic, the spirited part of the government,

00:24:21.380 and the Congress, which is the appetitive part of the government, responds to the pathos of the

00:24:26.740 people. And the Supreme Court is supposed to be rock-solid. And when you fill the court up with

00:24:33.180 Ketanji Jackson's, that's going away. Because we already know that the other branches of government

00:24:37.780 can get a little bit kooky. As we saw the other day when Matt Gaetz, former congressman,

00:24:43.200 came out and he said, hey, there are alien breeding programs where extraterrestrials

00:24:48.280 and humans are breeding. They're actually like raping each other. And the US military is 0.98

00:24:52.880 overseeing this. And I've been briefed on that. And I said, you know, I said this from NASA. I

00:24:56.340 said, I'm a little skeptical. Now, a sitting member of Congress is not contradicting Matt

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00:26:28.440 he said there are half a dozen to a dozen locations around the country where the army 0.54

00:26:33.940 is raping aliens. Basically, it's what he said. It is this breeding program for 0.79

00:26:38.980 extraterrestrial human hybrids. I've been briefed on this by a uniformed member of the US military.

00:26:44.500 So Rob Finnerty on Newsmax just asked Congressman Tim Burchett, who is one of the more prominent

00:26:51.260 figures involved in the UFO, UAP investigations. He asked him about Gates's claims, expecting

00:26:58.280 Burchett to say, yeah, that's all a bunch of nonsense, that's crazy, whatever, moving on, 0.71

00:27:02.700 keep calm and carry on. That's actually not what Burchett said.

00:27:07.680 I don't have the tinfoil hat on just yet, Congressman, but I'm wondering,

00:27:12.100 you know, kind of how you react to that because you are connected, you're on the

00:27:15.360 UFO subcommittee. I mean, I'm just wondering what you make of that. Have you heard anything like

00:27:19.680 that? Well, I'm still a member of Congress, so I can't really comment too much on what Matt said,

00:27:26.780 but i will say this wait seriously are you being serious or is that being 100 serious

00:27:32.820 i've been 100 serious i've been briefed by just about every alphabet agency there is

00:27:38.720 and um i'll just tell you this if they would release the things that i've seen

00:27:44.500 you would stay up you'd be up at night worrying about or thinking about this stuff

00:27:50.100 we just need to disclose it and all i'm sick of it you're 0.83

00:27:54.160 uh well i was i was brief i'll just tell you this i was brief last week

00:27:59.620 on an issue or excuse me two weeks ago and um it would have set the earth on it this

00:28:07.840 this country would have come unglued i think if they would have heard all that i heard they would

00:28:13.320 they would demand answers what so the question i'm only paraphrasing slightly was hey a congressman

00:28:22.600 is the u.s army raping aliens at bases around the country and birchett said birchett who you'd 0.90

00:28:28.100 expect to say uh no he says i'm sorry i can't comment on that i'm a sitting member of congress

00:28:34.400 i can't i can't reveal that kind of what uh look i'm not i'm not one for total transparency i'm

00:28:41.780 not one for total disclosure. You know, I basically always pick the least popular view

00:28:45.360 on any issue, which is how you know I'm right. But I think government operates sometimes in

00:28:51.820 secrecy for a purpose. That's why every government throughout all of human history everywhere has

00:28:55.540 done so. We're not supposed to, I don't know, do everything on camera. We're not supposed to have

00:29:03.420 a radically direct democracy. That's not what the founders wanted. That's not conducive to

00:29:07.840 good government. But, well, what? What does he mean by that? He didn't confirm it. He didn't

00:29:14.920 say yes to her. He just said, if you knew the things I knew, it would keep you up at night.

00:29:19.180 So what is keeping people up at night? What would keep people up at night? Congress lady 0.89

00:29:23.660 Anna Paulina Luna, who's also involved in the UFO UAP disclosures, she clarified the issue.

00:29:32.680 Being a member of Oversight, we follow up with whistleblowers, and we also can conduct our

00:29:37.480 own investigation. So myself, Representative Burchett from Tennessee and Representative Gates

00:29:42.640 were on a small code out to the panhandle because a whistleblower came forward from Eglin Air Force

00:29:49.100 Base pilots to Representative Gates's office saying that the Air Force was essentially covering up UAP

00:29:54.380 activity and we needed to look into it. So we coordinated the meeting. Pentagon tried to

00:29:59.760 initially cancel the first one. We got it back on the books. We show up there and we get in and

00:30:05.140 And the base commander tried to basically tell us that we didn't have authorized clearance to look into and speak to some of the witnesses, of which you don't tell Congress that we don't have authorized clearance, especially members of House Armed Services, Oversight, and Judiciary.

00:30:17.200 So I kind of had it out with the base commander, which is kind of funny because this guy really thought that he had it going on.

00:30:23.840 And he actually, in the middle of our meeting, he took off on leave, which never happens with a delegation going to military base.

00:30:32.280 but then also too we had pretty sure people from the agency that were there as well and so you

00:30:38.560 really don't find that i've worked at herlbert field i you know i've worked in the military

00:30:42.620 for a number of years and so why would a intelligence agency need to be there on a

00:30:47.340 meeting for whistleblowers so that happened i can tell you based on my investigations not in

00:30:53.440 a classified setting that i absolutely believe that there is um things that are advanced technologies

00:30:59.760 not of human origin and then we conducted the interview with david grush as you saw it was one

00:31:05.440 of the most widely attended congressional hearings in u.s history the information that was brought

00:31:09.760 forward was particularly alarming because you're hearing about people that have potentially been

00:31:14.240 murdered and covering up this information and it was very interesting so i advise everyone to watch

00:31:19.520 it yeah was it so based off of what and have you received classified information or just what they

00:31:25.120 they said no yeah we've um but i can't talk about of course you can't talk about it so what did you

00:31:30.080 before you came to congress did you think aliens were real so i wouldn't call them aliens i really

00:31:35.200 like what grush calls it he says that they're interdimensional beings and he's very specific

00:31:39.480 about that i think it means that they're not necessarily a biological entity from another

00:31:48.500 planet per se interesting um what i will say is you know i share a christian perspective on many

00:31:54.580 things. And what's been interesting about this is the amount of stigma that existed previously

00:32:00.600 to this cycle. Yep. Okay. All right. We got it. Thank you, Anna Paulina Luna. Thank you.

00:32:06.560 It's all a wordy way of saying what? What? You know how much I hate to say I told you so. It's

00:32:11.980 all a wordy way of saying the aliens are demons. That's actually what that means. I'm not being

00:32:18.620 hyperbolic in any way. That's what that means. When she says, well, I just don't know if they're

00:32:22.420 biological. I think they're interdimensional beings. Okay, so what is a thing that is not

00:32:28.420 physical? What do you mean it's not biological? It's also not inanimate. It's not like my cup

00:32:33.780 or my microphone. It means it's not physical. So it's not physical. It's interdimensional,

00:32:38.900 but it has intelligence, and it has will. What is that? That's a demon.

00:32:44.860 That's just what a demon is. You might say, well, I don't believe in demons. I'm not saying

00:32:47.680 you have to believe in demons. You should, and you should believe in angels, and you should

00:32:50.620 We believe in immaterial substances because we operate as if they exist every single day.

00:32:55.200 And in fact, we can know with certainty that some immaterial substances exist.

00:32:58.560 But regardless, I'm just saying, that's what that is.

00:33:02.000 When people say, well, that's great.

00:33:03.200 Can you believe the vice president said he thinks aliens are demons?

00:33:05.840 Can you believe that Michael said?

00:33:07.220 Can you believe Anna Paulina Luna said?

00:33:09.900 That's just the definition of a demon.

00:33:13.500 Two definitions of a demon or an angel would be a non-physical interdimensional being

00:33:20.560 I guess one way to put it, or a spiritual, but not religious. That's another way to put it too.

00:33:25.380 Okay. How do you reconcile what Anna Paulina Luna said with what Tim Burchett said?

00:33:32.460 The way you reconcile it is you recognize that when Tim Burchett says, if you knew what we saw,

00:33:37.980 it would keep you up at night, which you would realize is that spirits are more shocking

00:33:43.000 than aliens to materialists. C.S. Lewis makes this point. He says, there are different degrees

00:33:48.800 of scariness. There's the just scary, basic scariness is when you're told there's a tiger

00:33:54.240 in the next room. Then there's the uncanny, which is when you're told there's a ghost in the next

00:33:58.900 room. It's not as with the tiger that you're afraid the tiger is going to come in and eat you.

00:34:03.000 When you hear that there's a ghost, what you're afraid of is not that the ghost is going to do

00:34:06.480 anything to you. You're afraid that there are ghosts. Wait, what? That shakes my view of the

00:34:10.140 world. And then there's the numinous, which is religious awe, which is the kind of the

00:34:13.940 sublime fear of God. In any case, that's how you reconcile it. Little green men is much less scary, 0.87

00:34:21.420 are much less scary than little green demons. There's no question about it. Okay.

00:34:26.980 Speaking of evil, spiritual evil and physical evil, big news in the Charlie Kirk murder case.

00:34:34.900 The prosecution is reportedly going to call up some new witnesses. We've heard some reporting

00:34:43.380 that after joe kent left the government joe kent who resigned angry about trump's policies and he

00:34:50.300 was previously the head of the counterterrorism center there was some rumor that the defense

00:34:56.260 for the guy who allegedly killed charlie kirk wants to call joe kent as a witness because joe

00:35:02.540 kent seemed to think that there was foreign involvement or other other theories of of the

00:35:07.440 of the assassination. The prosecution now, which is making the argument obviously that Tyler

00:35:14.840 Robinson murdered Charlie Kirk, the prosecution now has some new witnesses. Do you know who they

00:35:20.980 are? They're not people who were just speculating from the government or from the private sector

00:35:27.240 or from the media or from, do you know who's going to testify for the prosecution? Tyler Robinson's

00:35:32.740 parents. You know who else is going to testify? Tyler Robinson's tranny boyfriend. That's who. 1.00

00:35:42.160 That's firmer stuff. Because what we know about the alleged murderer is that his fingerprints

00:35:49.140 were on the murder weapon. We know that he confessed multiple times to murdering Charlie.

00:35:54.420 We know that he had means, motive, and opportunity. We know that he's the kind of person,

00:35:59.100 radical LGBT, radicalized online by leftism, the kind of person who's been trying to murder 1.00

00:36:05.520 not just Charlie Kirk, but many public conservatives for many, many years now.

00:36:10.120 We've all seen it up close.

00:36:11.420 But we also know that he confessed to his parents, allegedly, I have to say allegedly

00:36:15.780 until he's convicted.

00:36:17.160 We know that he confessed to his parents allegedly and to the trainee boyfriend, both of whom

00:36:23.220 are going to be called up by the prosecution.

00:36:25.500 That's good news.

00:36:27.300 It's good news for the cause of justice.

00:36:29.580 You need justice for the Kirk family, for Charlie's friends, for the country, you need justice.

00:36:35.980 But also, you need to deter this kind of violence, which the left has been

00:36:39.720 threatening for years, trying to carry out for years, and celebrating after it was committed

00:36:44.320 against Charlie.

00:36:45.460 The other big takeaway here, and this is so important, it pertains to a lot of the political

00:36:50.460 debates, and specifically to the political media debates over all sorts of speculation

00:36:55.500 with regard to Charlie Kirk, but also with regard to myriad other issues,

00:37:00.680 is how best do we take on these issues? How best do we calibrate public information and

00:37:08.840 move forward together? And the real answer is the law cuts through BS. That's my answer.

00:37:14.300 That's my conservative answer. That's not a liberal answer. That's not a libertarian answer.

00:37:19.100 The liberals and the libertarians, what they say is, you know, the best response to false

00:37:26.140 information is true information. The best response to speech that we don't like is more speech.

00:37:33.860 That's the free marketplace of ideas argument, which is liberal, lowercase l, liberal,

00:37:38.980 libertarian. That's what they say. We just need to litigate everything in the court of public

00:37:44.460 opinion in the public sphere. No, that isn't true. That's not what our founding fathers thought.

00:37:49.100 That's not what American legal tradition suggests.

00:37:52.460 That's not how politics works.

00:37:55.180 The best way to establish good behaviors in politics is with the law as a teacher.

00:38:04.600 The best way to punish bad guys is not to talk about them more.

00:38:07.500 It's to punish them.

00:38:09.600 The best way to establish certainty is not through endless debate.

00:38:13.500 It's through trials that come to conclusions that entail punishments.

00:38:18.280 That's what we need.

00:38:19.520 That's what's going to do it.

00:38:20.520 That's all that's going to do it, actually.

00:38:21.920 Okay, so much more to get to.

00:38:25.300 However, we have to get to the mailbag.

00:38:28.840 Streaming right now on Daily Wire Plus,

00:38:30.280 a special event you do not want to miss.

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00:38:37.740 We all sat down with some members

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00:38:42.980 for a roundtable on The Passion of the Christ

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00:38:50.220 20 years later. Then watch the full film followed by our closing thoughts. It's available for a

00:38:54.220 limited time only on Daily War Plus. My favorite comment yesterday is from Brian Letterman who

00:38:58.900 says, I know it wasn't a green screen, but the weird light on Michael made the background look

00:39:02.760 like a green screen. I know, you know, listen, we got to give big credit to Bobby here.

00:39:06.920 Bobby who did the lighting at NASA because this clip went viral. I did this clip where I had to

00:39:11.560 prove I wasn't on a green screen and I went, I did jumping jacks, I pulled grass up, I was standing

00:39:14.860 in the sun. And I had to do it. I think it has 10 million views on it now on Twitter.

00:39:19.600 It really, people really, there's a whole commentary that one could have on what this

00:39:25.380 says about distrust in institutions and the fact that AI means we can't trust our eyes anymore.

00:39:30.400 But really, it's about Bobby, who just, who gave me studio quality lighting

00:39:35.360 in very difficult conditions outside on the grass at Cape Canaveral. Very impressive.

00:39:40.140 Okay, finally, finally, we've arrived at my favorite time of the week.

00:39:44.600 Our mailbag is sponsored by PureTalk at puretalk.com slash Knowles Canada W-L-E-S to switch to my wireless company today.

00:39:49.700 Take it away.

00:39:51.380 Hello, Michael.

00:39:52.920 I would like your thoughts on the following expression.

00:39:55.920 The heart wants what the heart wants.

00:39:59.320 And separately, though perhaps related, what role in decision-making do logic and reason play versus emotion and instinct?

00:40:07.820 And finally, can you square your answer with Proverbs chapter 3, verses 5 and 6?

00:40:14.180 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding.

00:40:18.200 In all your ways, submit to him, and he will make your path straight.

00:40:21.760 Thank you.

00:40:22.880 Yes, very, very good question.

00:40:25.500 And I certainly can square my answer with Proverbs, which is, you know,

00:40:29.400 trust in the Lord with all of your heart, but setting your heart with his, right?

00:40:34.760 This is the key.

00:40:36.020 The heart wants what the heart wants.

00:40:37.500 That's true.

00:40:38.640 That is part of why we have to train our hearts.

00:40:42.280 Because what does the book of Genesis tell us?

00:40:44.140 The book of Genesis tells us that the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth.

00:40:48.540 So there is a brokenness to our heart.

00:40:51.020 That is to say, there's a brokenness to our desires.

00:40:53.840 God makes us good, but then we bring sin into the world.

00:40:58.320 We bring brokenness into the world because of our first sin.

00:41:02.400 And so it doesn't mean that now everything's totally irreparably ruined.

00:41:06.280 It just means things are a little bit off.

00:41:09.220 It means that sometimes our heart is not in the right place.

00:41:12.540 Chesterton made this point about his socialist atheist friend, George Bernard Shaw.

00:41:16.340 He said, George Bernard Shaw is a man of a great heart.

00:41:20.500 He has a great big heart, but his heart is not in the right place.

00:41:23.980 So yes, you don't want to totally oppose your desires.

00:41:29.260 You want to sublimate your desires.

00:41:31.460 You want to make sure that your desires are pointed in the right direction. You want to

00:41:35.000 make sure that your heart is in the right place. To do that, you have to train yourself. You have

00:41:38.520 to avail yourself of God's grace. You have to train yourself. You have to grow in sanctity.

00:41:43.140 You have to habitually practice virtue such that your heart increasingly desires what God desires

00:41:51.800 generally and for you. But if you allow your heart to follow only your own wisdom, if you allow your

00:42:00.260 heart to go off on the path of perversity, then you'll say, as many an adulterer has,

00:42:07.720 that the heart wants what the heart wants, to excuse all manner of sin that will ruin your life.

00:42:13.560 The heart wants what the heart wants is just a descriptive fact of the world.

00:42:16.960 It's a truism. But therefore, you need to make sure that your heart is in the right place.

00:42:23.440 Okay, next question.

00:42:25.600 Good morning, Michael. This is Arun. So, I've always believed that manned space

00:42:29.840 exploration is one of the most important duties of the United States government. And I always

00:42:35.140 thought that you would take the opposite view that that time, effort, and money are better spent on

00:42:41.320 problems here on Earth. But I'm starting to have my doubts because on Wednesday you will be, or I

00:42:48.460 guess have already, podcasted from the Artemis II launch. Can you explain to me what is your opinion

00:42:55.720 on the place that man-space exploration should take in an America-first policy.

00:43:03.760 Thank you, as always, for your wisdom.

00:43:06.320 Excellent question, Arun.

00:43:07.680 Yes, you're wrong.

00:43:09.440 You're wrong about your hunch of what I believed.

00:43:12.780 You hear this sometimes from conservatives.

00:43:14.420 This is a big waste of money, and we shouldn't go to the moon,

00:43:16.940 because even though it's totally awesome,

00:43:19.080 we need to spend more money on potholes or tax cuts or whatever.

00:43:23.800 And look, I want to fix the potholes and I want to keep low taxes. But no, I think countries have

00:43:28.740 to do things. I think we have to do things together. And I think if we want to be a great

00:43:34.740 country, we have to do great things together. And going to the moon is great. It's just great.

00:43:41.300 That's the thing great countries do and that weak countries don't do. And so I think it's

00:43:46.320 important, not just as a matter of pride, but as a matter of the national project,

00:43:52.640 as a matter of making America great again, as a matter of putting America first. I think you have

00:43:58.980 to do stuff like that. Also, in history, part of what great nations do that defines them as great

00:44:09.860 is they go out and conquer places. They just go, Alexander, Rome, you just go, you take a lot of

00:44:15.240 territory. Certainly the Muslims did that as they were really growing. You just take territory and 1.00

00:44:20.640 you kill people, and that's something that defines you as a great country. And so going to the moon

00:44:27.440 is a less bloody way of doing that. Unless we get there, we do find the aliens, and we just

00:44:32.980 slice them all in half, which would be pretty cool, actually, especially if they're demons. 0.92

00:44:38.720 Anyway, I'm sorry, I'm getting off track. Yes, it's great. You have to do great things together. 0.69

00:44:43.480 You don't want to fall into the trap of just diminishing everything.

00:44:48.940 You know, this is essentially the problem with libertarianism, is that libertarianism is centered entirely around the individual person.

00:44:56.920 It's all about man.

00:44:58.820 And because it takes this bad anthropology, this notion that man comes first, that we're self-created beings, that everything's about us, that we own ourselves, that we can do whatever we want.

00:45:12.000 We should have neutrality in our viewpoints.

00:45:14.440 It's all just about individual autonomy.

00:45:17.380 Paradoxically, that diminishes man.

00:45:20.600 The whole point of philosophical liberalism, political liberalism, was to make man even greater.

00:45:26.440 But by focusing entirely on man, we've made man smaller.

00:45:30.100 We've diminished man.

00:45:31.680 Man becomes greater when he focuses outside of himself, specifically when he focuses on God.

00:45:37.020 Because man is made in the image of God.

00:45:38.720 So as we focus our attention on God, we mimetic creatures become more like God.

00:45:44.160 We become holier.

00:45:45.160 we become more sanctified, we become greater. And so we become more perfectly human. And when we

00:45:51.860 look at the great work of God in the heavens, we try to, we commit ourselves to knowing God's

00:45:58.260 creation. That makes us greater too. Okay, next question. Hello, Mr. Knowles. I'm a Greek Orthodox

00:46:04.560 or some call it Eastern Orthodox Christian who has taught math at Catholic high schools for

00:46:09.360 over a decade by now. And over the years, I've come to know and learn about the Catholic faith

00:46:13.620 and how it compares to my own. Because of this, I feel like the Catholic approach to fasting during

00:46:17.720 Lent is like a decaf version of fasting. Because as a swarthy, somewhat light in the loafers 1.00

00:46:22.980 podcaster once said, decaf coffee is for people who want the look of the thing, but not the essence

00:46:28.260 of the thing. And I see this and go, well, Catholics fast for meat during Lent, but only

00:46:33.020 on Fridays and Ash Wednesday. And my students have told me that you can even break your personal fast

00:46:37.860 during Lent on Sundays and days like the Annunciation, which surprised me. This is in contrast to the

00:46:44.020 more, I would say, trad version of fasting practiced and promoted by the Orthodox faith, which at

00:46:48.800 minimum calls people to fast for meat during all days of Lent, as well as various other things like

00:46:53.640 dairy, wine, etc. And so I wanted to ask you if you think the Catholic practice of fasting during

00:46:58.860 Lent could use a bit more tradding up to be on par with the Orthodox practice. And who knows,

00:47:04.100 Maybe after that, we can work on bringing your way of saying the creed back to the more trad way, 1.00

00:47:08.860 a.k.a. without the filioque.

00:47:10.140 Here we go.

00:47:10.800 Thanks, and enjoy a happy early Easter.

00:47:13.780 Sorry, I'm still recovering from the light and the loafers comment.

00:47:17.700 Okay, so the point you're making is that the Catholic fasting during Lent

00:47:21.260 is less rigorous than the Eastern Orthodox fasting.

00:47:24.140 That's true.

00:47:25.300 Okay, you want me to admit it?

00:47:26.880 That's true.

00:47:28.340 The Eastern Orthodox, they're more hardcore about it.

00:47:32.340 I'm not even going to get into your comment on the Nicene Creed and the Filioque way that we

00:47:37.280 don't have enough time. To the point on fasting, though, yes, I think, you want to hear how

00:47:42.180 ecumenical I'm going to be? I think that probably the Catholics, as a personal matter, if they want 0.97

00:47:49.100 to make it a little more rigorous, that would probably be good. I mean, even down to on the

00:47:53.080 true fasting days, the Good Friday, which is the day that is today, or Ash Wednesday,

00:47:59.320 on the true fasting days, Catholics are permitted now to have one small meal and two snacks that

00:48:05.460 together don't make a second meal, but which is pretty nice. You know, I mean, as far as fasting

00:48:11.780 goes, that it's kind of cushy. So maybe you could restrict that a little bit. Maybe, okay,

00:48:17.140 as a personal matter. However, you bring up a point about Sundays that actually does tell us

00:48:23.260 something about rigor and asceticism and devotion. You said, it's crazy that the Catholics don't fast 1.00

00:48:29.320 or abstain from whatever they're giving up on Sundays during lunch. No, no, no. Or on feasts,

00:48:35.260 Feast of the Annunciation, the Feast of St. Joseph. And you say, this is not rigorous. Hold on.

00:48:43.960 What is the purpose of fasting? The purpose of fasting is to bring your will more in line with

00:48:50.860 the will of God. It is to diminish your personal will and to tame it and to discipline it and bring

00:48:57.260 it more into line with God's will. Thy will be done, not my will be done. And so the reason we

00:49:04.660 don't fast on Sundays or Sundays, it's the Lord's day. It's a day of celebration. It's even during

00:49:09.020 Lent. And the reason that we relax Lenten penances on these big feasts of the Annunciation or the

00:49:15.580 feast of St. Joseph, it's because they're big feasts and these are days to celebrate. And so

00:49:19.320 when the church tells us on these days, you can eat meat or you can relax your Lenten penances

00:49:24.400 or whatever. The question you have to ask yourself is, what is more in service to the point of

00:49:29.820 fasting for me to just rigorously maintain not having cookies or whatever as I see fit, or to

00:49:38.040 submit my will to the church, Christ's church that he initiates on earth, and ultimately to

00:49:46.260 submit my will to God? Even if you don't want to eat the cookie because you don't feel as cool and

00:49:51.200 based and trad. What involves the greater submission of the will? And I would posit

00:49:56.900 that having that little cookie on the feast day or whatever, or relaxing your Lenten penances on

00:50:02.580 Sunday, it diminishes your own pride, because now you can't say that you kept up your feasts

00:50:07.720 or your fasting for 45 days or whatever. Because also, by the way, the 40 days doesn't include

00:50:12.760 the Sundays. So even just as a matter of number, it doesn't. Anyway, it's true, it diminishes your

00:50:19.660 pride, but I think it involves a greater submission of the will to God, which is good.

00:50:22.980 Okay. The rest of the show continues now on this Good Friday. You do not want to miss it. Become

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The Michael Knowles Show - April 03, 2026

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