The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1948 - Trump Haters Wrong Again： Iran Ceasefire EXPLAINED In 5 Mins

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00:00:27.820 For three days, the entire left, joined by the neurotic right,

00:00:36.280 whined and cried and rent their garments over the prospect that on Tuesday evening,

00:00:42.840 last night, President Trump would detonate a nuclear weapon and then perpetrate a genocide

00:00:50.300 in Iran. The hysteria was based on President Trump's tweet on Easter Sunday telling Iran to,

00:00:59.100 I'm paraphrasing, open the effing straight or they would all be living in hell after he wiped

00:01:04.660 out their civilization. Praise be to Allah. Now, some of us, a small number of us actually 0.90

00:01:11.600 on the right, we're not particularly worried. Sorry, I should rephrase that. I think people

00:01:18.440 on the right generally are normal. Some of us in the media on the right, we were not particularly

00:01:25.640 worried. Some of us actually thought the tweet was pretty funny. Just as some of us, while everyone

00:01:32.860 freaked out about Iran turning into an endless war, a decade-long quagmire, some of us, some,

00:01:41.220 some of us said to calm down. That President Trump said it would be over in about five weeks.

00:01:48.440 Now, halfway through week six, after decimating Iran's nuclear weapons, 0.91

00:01:53.780 missile program, the entire military, we've got a ceasefire and at least an outline for 0.91

00:02:00.220 long-term peace. Despite my profound distaste for saying I told you so, we will get into what

00:02:09.460 that peace deal with Iran means, as well as, and this is crucial, turning back to domestic matters,

00:02:15.360 as well as the mass amnesty bill that squish Republicans are trying to sneak through Congress

00:02:22.680 while the rest of us were all distracted by Iran. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:04:43.380 last night. Breaking, shocking, stopped the press's news. Trump didn't commit a genocide

00:04:49.380 last night, as the entire left was telling us, and as a ton of neurotic, hysterical people on

00:04:58.440 the right were saying. Oh, my goodness, for the last two, three days, all these tweets,

00:05:04.020 all these podcast episodes. Trump, Trump, he's gone too far. You know, this time you hear that

00:05:11.920 I supported Trump. I voted for him three times, but this is too far. He's going to do a genocide

00:05:21.020 now. Oh my, oh my goodness. These people, how is it? It's been 10 years. It's been 10 years.

00:05:28.960 and some of you people, not you people, you people listening are normal, but some of these

00:05:33.960 people, especially in the media on the right, as well as the left, they still don't get it.

00:05:39.740 10 years later, he's going to do a nuclear weapon. This is the end of the world. He's gone mad for

00:05:47.180 two, three days. These people, their blood pressure through the roof, their cortisol spiking.

00:05:52.220 And then the rest of us, very few of us in the media, very few of us in the political class,

00:05:57.800 I hate to say I told you so most people I think who are ordinary normal balanced people who have

00:06:05.720 normal jobs who don't who don't work in politics professionally who are on the right but I think

00:06:10.560 most people knew Trump wasn't going to do a genocide or set off a nuke but in the media

00:06:14.780 oh my goodness gracious for days here we go we have Sarah Jacobs Democrat Congress lady

00:06:21.440 the president just threatened genocide the joint chiefs of staff must disregard any such

00:06:29.460 military orders that violate federal and international law republicans in congress 0.97

00:06:34.460 can't hide anymore we must consider all options including impeachment to stop trump lady would

00:06:40.820 you like would you like a cigarette would you would you like a cocktail would you like to just

00:06:45.960 Take a deep. Get a hold of yourself, woman. What's the matter with you? It's not just a woman. 1.00

00:06:53.340 Bernie Sanders, same thing. It is very easy to become accustomed to Trump's ravings and laugh

00:06:58.020 them off. That's a dangerous thing to do. When Trump states a whole civilization will die tonight,

00:07:04.040 he is threatening to commit genocide. We cannot allow that to happen. Congress must end this war

00:07:09.420 now. Ten years later, and people are still befuddled, befuddled. Now, the rejoinder

00:07:16.900 to the observation that Trump obviously wasn't going to commit a genocide,

00:07:21.540 wasn't going to set off a nuke. The rejoinder is, well, he threatened to wipe out a whole

00:07:27.040 civilization. He threatened that they would be living in hell. So what? You can't trust what

00:07:33.380 Trump says? That's what you're saying, Michael? Michael, you're saying that the lesson of this

00:07:40.260 whole episode is that you can't trust what Trump says. Excuse me. You can trust what Trump says

00:07:46.720 if you know what he means. You see, words, words have a tie to an objective reality,

00:07:57.240 but they also mean different things depending on the circumstances in which they are said

00:08:04.760 and depending on who is saying them. Because different people have different

00:08:09.160 credibility. Different people speak to different audiences. And the way that Trump speaks

00:08:14.400 is as a New Yorker, someone posted last night on social media said, maybe it's just you got to be

00:08:20.720 from New York to know what he, and I'll tell you what, it helps. For years now, when President

00:08:26.040 Trump uses quotation marks to mean boldface. So, you know, he'll do this like, we're going to

00:08:32.140 destroy you or whatever. And he really, a lot of people don't understand that. My grandmother used

00:08:37.500 to write like that. New Yorkers of a certain age write like that. They think the quotations mean

00:08:42.000 a joke. They mean mockery. They mean verbal irony. But actually, sometimes New Yorkers use it. So

00:08:49.160 it's true. New Yorkers speak in a different way. Maybe that helps. But the other thing that we

00:08:52.860 know about Trump is that he uses hyperbole for rhetorical purpose. In fact, he tells you that

00:08:59.540 he does that in the book that he wrote about how he makes deals. The very famous best-selling book,

00:09:08.340 decades-old book, he says, yeah, I use hyperbole for rhetorical purpose. The passage about his use

00:09:12.960 of hyperbole is actually worth reading. But you can trust what he says when you know what he means.

00:09:19.400 I did that whole exegesis, as it were, of the Trump tweet about open the effing straits, 1.00

00:09:26.500 you crazy bastards, or we're going to rain down hell on your civilization. Praise be to Allah, 1.00

00:09:30.880 Donald J. Trump. I pointed out the tweet was not, as some said, reckless. It was a disciplined

00:09:36.980 tweet. The proof that it was a disciplined tweet, it was a treat too, on Easter Sunday, no less.

00:09:42.780 The proof that it was disciplined was in that last line, that dry humor, praise be to Allah.

00:09:47.280 The tweet was saying, open the Strait.

00:09:49.120 I want you to open the Strait of Hormuz, and we'll get to the now-opened Strait, which

00:09:53.460 Trump got us in the sixth week. 1.00

00:09:55.560 But the tweet was mocking the diction of the Iranians, because the Iranians are the ones

00:10:01.320 who are always saying, the great Satan will go down in a ball of flame and la la la. 1.00

00:10:07.140 That's how the Iranians talk. 0.83

00:10:08.980 And so Trump, who speaks in different ways, depending on the circumstance, sometimes he's

00:10:14.340 a little more diplomatic, sometimes he's a little more blunt.

00:10:16.700 but he did the Iranian thing. He said, we're going to rain down fire on you. You're going

00:10:21.400 to be living in hell. You're all going to be gone. And he let you know that that was what 1.00

00:10:25.460 he was doing with that final ironic line. Praise be to Allah. Yeah. Okay. Maybe I got to talk your

00:10:30.720 language, Iranians. Anyway, you can trust what he says if you know what he means. 0.98

00:10:37.180 And the proof is you're going to hear from all these people, all these hysterics.

00:10:41.940 You're just saying, no, you just got lucky. He was really going to do it this time. I'm telling

00:10:47.100 you, he was really going to do it. Okay. I think the proof is who freaked out over the Trump tweet

00:10:54.340 and who didn't. The people who freaked out don't understand Trump. And therefore, they don't

00:11:03.000 understand the political moment. And therefore, they might be entertaining. You might like them

00:11:09.680 personally, but therefore you should not trust their opinions when it comes to political

00:11:15.760 observation because they got it spectacularly wrong. And those of us who didn't freak out,

00:11:22.460 those of us who kind of chuckled along with it, those of us who were completely right

00:11:27.900 in this very high stakes moment, maybe those of us who said and did those things,

00:11:35.320 maybe we have a better grasp on what's going on in politics. I don't know. I would never say such

00:11:39.980 a thing because I hate to say I told you so. The further proof, before we get to the Dignidad Act,

00:11:45.280 before we get to what this means in Iran, the further proof that these guys just look completely 0.98

00:11:50.780 foolish is that they've now flipped their criticism. 12 hours ago, they were criticizing 0.98

00:11:56.500 Trump for bombing Iran, for potentially dropping a nuke on Iran. Immediately after he didn't do that,

00:12:03.380 after he stopped the war, actually stopped the war because we have a two-week ceasefire.

00:12:09.380 Immediately afterward, they criticized Trump for not nuking Iran. We'll get to that momentarily.

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00:13:25.340 select states. The biggest tell, the biggest tell that these guys just don't know what they're

00:13:31.760 talking about, mostly on the left, a little bit among the hysterics on the right. And actually,

00:13:37.500 here's a figure who fits both those camps, Bill Kristol. He's now on the left, but he is also

00:13:42.660 an hysteric from the right. They immediately flipped from criticizing Trump for nuking Iran

00:13:47.900 to criticizing Trump for not nuking Iran. Bill Kristol tweets out last night,

00:13:52.420 The mother of all tacos. Taco Tuesday. What do they mean by taco? Taco is this

00:13:59.340 acronym that cropped up on Wall Street, but has spread to the broader left and the Trump critical

00:14:05.600 right, which is sometimes it's hard to distinguish between the two. Taco stands for Trump always

00:14:12.120 chickens out. Now, the reason that this arose on Wall Street is because Wall Street got really

00:14:18.820 freaked out last April because of the tariffs. When Trump said, I'm gonna tariff the whole world

00:14:23.720 at 10 billion percent, and we're gonna replace the income tax with tariff revenue, and this is

00:14:29.560 gonna completely reshape the economic order. And there were people on Wall Street who freaked out.

00:14:35.180 Most people didn't, which is why the markets have remained not only stable, but have hit record

00:14:39.080 highs. But some people freaked out, and then what did Trump do? The tariffs weren't as bad

00:14:46.120 as he was threatening. Trump will threaten a 100% tariff on a country, and then he'll bring

00:14:51.940 it down to 38%. And then maybe he'll bring it down to nothing. But then maybe that country

00:14:55.740 does something he doesn't like, he threatens to bring it up to 15% again. And the upshot of it

00:15:00.320 all is the tariffs were not nearly as bad as he threatened. So they said, okay, well, Trump always

00:15:05.740 chickens out. And that's what they're now saying about Iran. Trump said he was going to nuke Iran

00:15:12.220 and committed genocide of the Persian people, and then he didn't do it. What a chicken. 0.98

00:15:16.960 Trump always chickens out. And whatever helps you sleep at night, whatever helps you to try 0.92

00:15:27.420 to make sense of the world, if you guys are so befuddled as Bill Kristol is, that's fine by me.

00:15:32.660 But this is a completely unfair understanding of what Trump is doing here.

00:15:37.960 because Trump always chickens out. Taco implies, it assumes, I should say,

00:15:45.800 that Trump actually wants the things he's claiming to want. But we know for a fact that Trump claims

00:15:54.420 to want much more than he actually wants. One of the first guys 10 years ago to tune people

00:16:01.260 into this fact was Scott Adams, who was one of the great readers of Trump. Scott Adams,

00:16:05.880 who is an expert in persuasion tactics, really made his political career, after his Dilbert

00:16:11.300 career, he made his political media career, observing all of Trump's strategies of persuasion,

00:16:17.380 one of which is that Trump always talks past the sale. Trump says he wants 300% tariffs on a

00:16:23.280 country, and then he walks it back. He's conciliatory, and he makes a deal at 50%,

00:16:29.420 but he really wanted 50% all the time. 300% is totally ridiculous. 0.86

00:16:32.540 us. Trump writes about these things in his book, The Art of the Deal. So it's a totally unfair 0.71

00:16:42.360 attack on him because it is assuming that he wants something that he is telling you he doesn't

00:16:47.240 actually want. It's an incoherent criticism. We should call taco, it should be tactical

00:16:54.780 accentuation of critical objectives. How's that? Is that Trump accentuates critical objectives

00:17:03.900 instead of Trump always chickens out Trump accentuates tactic. I like tactical is better

00:17:09.340 tactical accentuation of critical objectives. It's hyperbole to achieve an end. This isn't

00:17:16.240 5d chess guys. You don't have to construct some esoteric theory of, of Trump to realize that

00:17:23.320 salesmen ask for more than they want. That's not, I don't think I'm the crazy one for pointing out

00:17:31.100 that great salesmen talk past the sale. That's like sales 101. That's what he's doing.

00:17:37.400 And if it takes a genius political philosophers like Bill Kristol to explain it as cowardice

00:17:44.420 or something, okay, whatever. Regardless, Trump, we now have a two-week ceasefire.

00:17:49.480 the Strait of Hormuz is opening under certain conditions. The war hawks are really upset about

00:17:55.920 this. Reportedly, the Israelis are kind of upset about this. Trump seems happy about it,

00:18:01.880 but people are accusing him of cowardice. That's the whole point of the taco attack. 0.98

00:18:06.920 And I just want to point something out. I've thought about this. Since we hit the end of 0.79

00:18:11.880 the fifth week on Iran, I was thinking about ways that Trump could fulfill his promise to scale this

00:18:16.880 thing back after five weeks, which he has done, by the way. He did it three days late,

00:18:20.720 four days late. But I'll give him a little wiggle room. He actually did what he said he was going

00:18:24.540 to do. Is there a way to do it without ceding American strength, without seeming like you're

00:18:31.980 a coward? And then I was going back through history and thinking about the greatest

00:18:35.880 presidential examples of American strength in recent memory. Who are they? Okay, the first one,

00:18:42.680 Ronald Reagan, right? Peace through strength. That was his slogan. Peace through strength.

00:18:47.160 That cowboy, Ronald Reagan, Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall, won the Cold War for America. 0.89

00:18:53.360 How did Reagan react in 1984 to the Beirut barracks bombings when Hezbollah, that is to say,

00:19:00.660 when Iran killed over 200 soldiers? There's 241 Marines killed in the Beirut barracks bombings.

00:19:09.620 what did Reagan do? Did he nuke Iran? Did he get into a decade-long ground invasion of Iran?

00:19:17.720 No, you know what he did? He removed the Marines from Lebanon. Now, you might say, well, that was

00:19:22.960 cowardice. That was terrible. The only point I'm making, the only descriptive point I'm making

00:19:28.440 is that Ronald Reagan is one of the great symbols, universally understood, of American

00:19:34.840 military strength abroad. And when he was in a very similar situation to Trump with the same

00:19:42.380 enemy, he pulled back. His tactic was restraint, was not escalating even after a major provocation

00:19:52.360 from Iran. What about George H.W. Bush? George H.W. Bush was actually the president during the

00:19:59.880 literal end of the Cold War, when the Berlin Wall actually came down. George H.W. Bush,

00:20:05.680 who invaded Iraq, don't you remember, in the Gulf War, what did he do? Did he occupy Iraq for 10

00:20:13.860 years, 20 years? No, no, no. He stopped short of toppling Saddam. He stopped short of regime

00:20:19.640 change. He pulled out. He's considered not only one of the great foreign policy presidents,

00:20:23.340 but a symbol of American strength. What happened just after George H.W. Bush?

00:20:30.980 Remember when Black Hawk Down happened in Somalia? Killed 18 troops.

00:20:36.640 Not that we looked to Bill Clinton for great advice, but what did he do? He pulled out of

00:20:43.800 Somalia. What about better symbols of American strength than Bill Clinton? Truman. Truman,

00:20:51.500 dropped the nuclear weapon. Pretty tough guy. What did Truman do when MacArthur wanted to go

00:20:57.300 from Korea to invading China? You know what he did? He fired MacArthur.

00:21:03.320 What did Eisenhower do in Vietnam? Eisenhower, who was one of the people responsible for winning 0.97

00:21:08.520 World War II, what did he do when France wanted the United States to back them and escalate into

00:21:15.560 Vietnam? What did Eisenhower do? He offered a little bit of military advising, a little bit,

00:21:20.860 but he restrained himself. He did not allow Vietnam on his watch to develop into a massive 0.77

00:21:28.460 war. He viewed it as an unwinnable quagmire in East Asia. His successors unfortunately did expand

00:21:35.480 the war and they proved him right. Eisenhower, again, whether you say Eisenhower's decision 0.96

00:21:41.500 was right or wrong, he is a true symbol of American strength. And yet when push came to

00:21:46.500 shove, his tactic was restraint. Even Kennedy, Kennedy shot down intervention into Laos in the

00:21:53.080 1960s. Kennedy backed down, he was restrained in the Cuban Missile Crisis. It was one of the

00:21:59.900 great victories, supposedly, of the Cold War, was that we didn't end up in a nuclear war with

00:22:06.740 Russia because Russia removed the missiles. The only reason Russia removed their nuclear weapons

00:22:12.140 was because Kennedy removed his missiles from Turkey.

00:22:16.940 Even in that issue, it was restrained.

00:22:18.320 So I'm just pointing out,

00:22:20.040 regardless of what you think about the Iran war,

00:22:21.740 and there's a scintillating New York Times report

00:22:24.920 on how we actually got into the strikes on Iran,

00:22:28.460 which we'll get to momentarily,

00:22:30.480 before getting to the Dignidad Act.

00:22:32.780 But regardless of your view on the war

00:22:35.000 and the strategic objectives 1.00

00:22:36.120 and getting rid of the malas 0.81

00:22:37.220 and democracy for Iran and the nuclear, 0.97

00:22:39.460 I just want to point out,

00:22:40.440 being a strong president, a symbol, actually, of American strength, and being restrained in

00:22:47.820 your foreign policy, pulling back, not escalating, those two things are not necessarily opposed.

00:22:52.880 In fact, in almost all the examples I can think of in recent history, they go together.

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00:24:17.580 Really fascinating New York Times report.

00:24:20.740 Now, I know, grain of salt.

00:24:22.340 Grain of salt when we're talking about New York Times reporting.

00:24:25.420 This one is worth reading, or you can just listen to my very quick summary of what happened.

00:24:30.060 but this is how we got into Iran. How did Trump get into Iran? That's the report. It's a very

00:24:37.040 lengthy report by Jonathan Swan, Maggie Haberman. It opens up right at the top subheader in a

00:24:43.280 series of situation where meetings, President Trump weighed his instincts against the deep

00:24:46.880 concerns of his vice president and a pessimistic intelligence assessment. Here is the story of how

00:24:51.460 he made that fateful decision. So right off the bat, we see that the leading voice against the

00:24:59.580 strikes in Iran from the administration, according to the New York Times, Vice President J.D. Vance.

00:25:05.760 Now, you will recall, before, during, and after the Iran strikes, I said,

00:25:11.760 if I had been in the National Security Council, had I been in the room,

00:25:15.940 I would have made the strongest arguments I could against the strikes.

00:25:20.060 I trust Trump on foreign policy, so I'm not going to freak out. I'm not going to be a neurotic. I'm

00:25:24.360 not going to be a hysteric. I'm not going to say we're on the brink of nuclear genocide.

00:25:27.520 I trust Trump. He's got a great record on foreign policy. There are strategic objectives to be

00:25:32.420 achieved in Iran, but I just would have made the arguments with the information I had available to

00:25:35.960 me. I would have argued against the strikes. According to the New York Times, Vance was

00:25:41.640 doing the same thing, which reminds me, Vance, that guy's got a good head on his shoulders.

00:25:47.100 That guy's a very, very impressive leader. It's very rare you get raw intelligence,

00:25:53.320 which he obviously has, and a touch, a connection to normal people, which Vance obviously has,

00:26:02.260 read his memoir, and good political instincts. Those three things don't always go together.

00:26:09.520 They do seem to go together in him. In any case, what happened in the room,

00:26:12.720 according to the New York Times? In the Situation Room, Bibi Netanyahu comes in.

00:26:16.760 He's making the hard pitch for Iran on February 11th. Mr. Netanyahu made a hard sell,

00:26:22.080 suggesting that Iran was ripe for regime change and expressing the belief that a joint U.S.-Israeli

00:26:26.740 mission could finally bring an end to the Islamic Republic. The CIA director, John Ratcliffe,

00:26:31.900 who President Trump calls central casting, Ratcliffe used one word to describe the Israeli

00:26:36.520 prime minister's regime change scenarios, farcical. You know, I was making the same 0.96

00:26:43.980 arguments. There are some people who say, we should never go to war, we should be pacifists,

00:26:47.420 or the Iranian regime is actually good, or we could really work with these guys.

00:26:51.700 I've never said that. The regime is awful, and it would be great if we could swap out the regime.

00:26:55.680 But what did I say? Before, during, and after the strikes, I said, I just don't think you're

00:27:00.500 going to unseat this regime. The last time we changed regimes in Iran, the 1953 CIA coup

00:27:07.360 that got rid of Mogadish and consolidated the power of the Shah, that regime lasted

00:27:11.760 for 26 years, was it? Yeah, 53 to 79, 26 years. The Iranian mullahs who won the Islamic 0.99

00:27:19.700 revolution, they've been in power almost twice as long. So we don't like them. They're terrible 1.00

00:27:24.600 for America. They're terrible for the region and the world. But I said, I think it's a more stable

00:27:29.660 regime than some of the hawks are pretending. And I don't think this is going to be an 88-minute

00:27:35.220 mission like in Venezuela. In other words, I agree with the CIA director. I think the notion

00:27:41.400 that Iran was ripe for regime change was farcical. I said that before, during, and after. And now

00:27:47.520 that we're six weeks in, five and a half weeks into this war, that would seem to be the case. 0.70

00:27:52.140 The Iranian Islamic regime has held on to power. You don't need to think that's a good thing. I 0.98

00:27:57.880 think that's a bad thing. I hate the Iranian regime. But nevertheless, they have held on to 0.98

00:28:03.080 power. The claims that Iran was on the brink of a popular revolution and the people were going to

00:28:08.980 take back their country and bring in Reza Pallavi or a secular government transitioning

00:28:13.620 to democracy. It just hasn't happened. So it looks like the CIA director was right.

00:28:18.720 Rubio translated what the CIA director meant when he said it was farcical.

00:28:22.700 At that point, Mr. Rubio cut in, quote, in other words, it's BS. He used the real word,

00:28:27.060 but this is a family show. Several others jumped in, including Mr. Vance. Now, J.D. Vance was

00:28:33.920 apparently not in the first meetings because Vance happened to be in Azerbaijan at the moment. He was

00:28:38.160 in Armenia and then Azerbaijan working to resolve that conflict. The Armenia Christian war against

00:28:43.940 the Muslims, really it's the Muslim war against the Christians there, has been an issue that we've

00:28:48.300 talked about on the show a number of times. Vance was over there, and this meeting was really last

00:28:52.040 minute, so he wasn't even in the room the first time. But when he did get back, Mr. Vance, just

00:28:56.020 back from Azerbaijan, also expressed strong skepticism about the prospect of regime change.

00:29:00.620 How about the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Raisin Cain? Cain replied, sir, this is,

00:29:05.440 in my experience, standard operating procedure for the Israelis. They oversell, and their plans 1.00

00:29:09.860 are not always well-developed. They know they need us, and that's why they're hard-selling.

00:29:14.620 According to the New York Times, I have to keep saying according to the New York Times,

00:29:17.180 because I instinctively do not believe the New York Times. But it's a fascinating read in any

00:29:23.380 case. And because there is some disagreement on the right about this issue, they might be getting

00:29:30.280 decent sourcing. Within the cabinet, Mr. Hegseth, the Secretary of War, was the biggest proponent

00:29:36.540 of a military campaign against Iran. Ms. Wiles, Susie Wiles, White House Chief of Staff, has told

00:29:41.260 colleagues that she worried about the United States being dragged into another war in the

00:29:44.280 Middle East. Nobody in Mr. Trump's inner circle was more worried about the prospect of war with

00:29:48.880 Iran or did more to try to stop it than the Vice President. I think that has aged quite well.

00:29:53.800 Mr. Vance, whose disagreements with the whole premise was well established, addressed the

00:29:57.920 president. He said, according to the Times, you know I think this is a bad idea, but if you want

00:30:02.600 to do it, I'll support you. They're weak. Love it. Love it. So what's my takeaway from this?

00:30:07.300 One, I already was a great admirer of Vance. If this reporting is true,

00:30:13.100 my estimation of him has somehow increased even more. This is the right approach.

00:30:18.760 Say, look, I'm very skeptical. This is why I think the facts on the ground suggest that we

00:30:22.860 shouldn't wage a major operation against Iran that's aimed at regime change because you're not

00:30:26.820 going to get regime change. You could wage an operation aimed at stopping the nuclear weapons,

00:30:30.640 like we did last summer. You could wage an operation even to get rid of the ballistic

00:30:34.360 missiles, to take out one leader or another leader, to try to get a better leader in place,

00:30:39.840 but you're not going to get regime change, most likely. So for all these reasons, I oppose this.

00:30:45.080 Iran's a real country. Venezuela's less of a real country, but for all these reasons,

00:30:48.600 I oppose it. But if you do it, I'll support you because you're the president.

00:30:51.020 That's the right attitude. There's one president. There's one president. There's one guy in charge.

00:30:55.940 It's his administration. And it is the job of the people within the administration

00:30:59.460 to give their advice, to tell the truth, and then to support the guy who was elected with

00:31:08.880 the popular vote, I should add, to make the calls. Absolutely mature, responsible,

00:31:14.720 spot on sort of thing. The other thing I take away from this reporting is there has been an

00:31:19.320 op, and I've been calling this out for weeks, hate to say I told you so. There's been an op

00:31:23.600 to try to create division within the Trump administration. This is the most unified admin

00:31:28.600 I've ever seen in my lifetime. They're trying to create division. And so they're trying to pit

00:31:32.200 Rubio against Vance because right now, Vance is the heir apparent for 2028. He's already got

00:31:36.960 basically the endorsement of Donald Trump, who says that he wants to see Vance and Rubio run

00:31:40.720 on a ticket. And he doesn't even want Rubio to run for any other job. He's so good as Secretary

00:31:43.540 of State. So you got Vance there as the heir apparent. Rubio has already endorsed Vance

00:31:48.980 for president. He said, I'm not going to run if JD runs. I think he would be a great nominee.

00:31:54.060 But all these people trying to make division, they say, well, no, there's a huge division here.

00:31:58.600 Rubio, bloodthirsty for war in Iran.

00:32:00.960 J.D. Vance wouldn't support any operation in Iran.

00:32:03.800 They're at loggerheads.

00:32:06.300 Well, actually, at least according to this reporting, and by the way,

00:32:09.980 the New York Times has a real incentive to stoke division within the Trump admin.

00:32:13.460 And yet, what did they show here?

00:32:15.200 It's one of the reasons I kind of trust the reporting is they say, no,

00:32:18.580 Vance and Rubio basically agreed on this, as did the CIA director and the chairman of the

00:32:23.220 Joint Chiefs. And maybe Hegseth was a little more in favor of war in Iran, but they're not even that

00:32:27.160 specific about that. Yeah, the admin was basically united. And Trump ultimately was persuaded that

00:32:32.680 there should be some kind of strike on Iran, but he clearly doesn't want an open-ended war.

00:32:36.600 He said it would last about five weeks. And guess what? We have a ceasefire five and a half weeks

00:32:40.680 in. My takeaway from this is unity here in the administration. There's sophistication.

00:32:48.380 Now, some people are going to say, well, what did we even get out of this war?

00:32:52.340 Okay, that's a separate question.

00:32:54.800 You people in the media and in the political class who were just completely wrong,

00:32:59.900 spectacularly 180 degrees wrong about Trump dropping a nuclear weapon,

00:33:04.060 about Trump perpetrating a genocide, about how long the war was going to go on.

00:33:07.720 You were just completely wrong about everything.

00:33:09.660 And now you have the temerity to come out and say, yeah, well,

00:33:12.520 but we were actually right in principle.

00:33:14.060 It's like, what was this war even for?

00:33:18.940 I'm a skeptic of the strikes on Iran.

00:33:21.100 I've told you. I've had my cards on the table the whole time. I would have argued against it.

00:33:25.360 But to tell me we didn't get anything out of it, we seriously set back the nuclear program

00:33:30.880 eight months ago, or eight, nine months ago over the summer. We here totally decimated their

00:33:37.620 ballistic missiles capabilities, the ballistic missiles which were being used to defend the

00:33:41.400 nuclear program. We sunk their Navy. We killed their leader, the Ayatollah, who has been calling 0.53

00:33:47.740 for death for America forever, and who, according to intelligence, tried to kill Trump multiple 0.98

00:33:53.120 times. We've arrested people for doing that. And then we killed everyone around him,

00:33:58.720 and we brought Iran to the table. Then Iran played the last card that they could play, 1.00

00:34:02.260 which was closing the Strait of Hormuz, which is a serious challenge. Trump said,

00:34:05.460 I'm going to reopen that strait, and here's how I'm going to do it. I'm going to send this tweet,

00:34:08.460 and all you hysterics are going to freak out about it. And guess what? The strait's opening.

00:34:12.780 Now, we'll get into what the details are of this, because it's a little unclear in this deal that

00:34:17.400 was negotiated with the help of the prime minister of Pakistan, what exactly are going to be the

00:34:22.440 terms of a 10-point piece? The US and Iran are saying different things right now. But regardless,

00:34:29.420 Trump has pulled it off. He pulled off the thing he said he was going to do. He was going to strike

00:34:35.820 Iran. He stopped talking about regime change very quickly. He said, look, Iranian people,

00:34:40.740 if you want to rise up, you can take over this regime if you want. But in the chief objectives 0.96

00:34:46.340 of the war, he didn't really list regime change. And he also pointed out they've killed so many

00:34:50.260 people at the top that in a way it kind of was regime change in the way that in Venezuela it

00:34:53.760 kind of was regime change. But it's really more you just take out the top people, then you point

00:34:57.960 a gun at the people who come up to run the country next. And you say, hey, play ball or we're going

00:35:02.560 to blow your head off. That's what Trump did to Delcy Rodriguez in Venezuela. It seems like that's

00:35:06.700 what he's doing to the new supreme leader of Iran, the new supreme leader of Iran, who's never even

00:35:10.540 been seen in public. He's basically just a cardboard cutout. So whoever is running the

00:35:13.700 country. Trump's got a gun to that guy's head. And he says, open the strait, cry uncle. And as of 0.99

00:35:18.940 today, it appears that whatever the word for uncle is in Farsi, the Iranians cried it. Okay, 0.91

00:35:23.840 now let's get to domestic matters. Because while everyone was distracted with war in the Middle

00:35:27.780 East, squish Republicans at home are trying to pass a mass amnesty bill. Republicans win the

00:35:34.640 popular vote for the first time in 20 years, running on mass deportations overtly. So the

00:35:40.200 squishes in the Republican Congress. They say, I know what we need, mass amnesty. We'll get to

00:35:46.460 that momentarily. First, I absolutely love my friend Pavel, who is a longtime assistant director

00:35:54.200 here at Daily Wire, but he's an on-camera figure too. You know him from Lady Ballers, from various

00:35:59.320 on-air appearances backstage. Well, Pavel has a show. It could not be more timely. It's called

00:36:05.060 Be a Man With Me. He has a kind of funny Polish accent. He's a giant manly pole.

00:36:09.380 The latest episode of Be a Man With Me may just be the most intense yet. 0.77

00:36:12.500 Pavel teams up with the Hendersonville Fire Department to find out what it really means to be a man.

00:36:16.440 Check out this teaser.

00:36:19.460 What's going on in there?

00:36:20.620 I just got reports that they got water on the fire, so they made an entry on the A-side, advanced down this hallway.

00:36:26.120 They're in the fire room currently working on fire services.

00:36:27.820 All right. Come here.

00:36:29.160 Yeah. Come on in.

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00:36:36.400 Damn. 0.99

00:36:37.080 Cova's sailing a little bit. 0.99

00:36:39.000 My name is Pavel, and see you, man, with me.

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00:37:27.980 My favorite comment yesterday 1.00

00:37:29.460 is from Frank K3D3N

00:37:32.440 who says the show logo

00:37:33.380 is starting to look like

00:37:34.280 Dunkin' Donuts.

00:37:35.300 Is that, is it really?

00:37:36.740 I don't know how to feel about that because I do eat Dunkin' Donuts sometimes, but it's terrible.

00:37:42.440 Dunkin' Donuts is terrible. My family, especially my family that lives in New England and Northeast

00:37:46.600 generally, they love Dunkin' Donuts. Dunkin' Donuts is my father's favorite establishment

00:37:51.800 in the world. But the coffee tastes like trash water. It tastes like it was filtered through a 0.99

00:37:58.960 big bag of garbage. The donuts are stale. And then I go into Dunkin' Donuts, there is a new staff,

00:38:05.400 a completely new staff, basically, every time I go into the same Dunkin' Donuts.

00:38:09.820 I don't know what, I don't know how that corporation operates, but it's bad at everything

00:38:16.840 and people love it. I even feel nostalgic. I still go in. I am a regular customer of

00:38:23.460 Dunkin' Donuts, but everything about it is horrible. And now you're telling me my show

00:38:30.000 logo. I don't know what to think of. We might need a rebrand. Okay. A Republican member of

00:38:39.160 Congress, along with a dozen or so other Republican members of Congress. While you

00:38:47.440 are all distracted looking at Iran, she is trying to ram through a mass amnesty bill

00:38:55.240 for illegal aliens. She is currently calling it the Dignity Act. But you want to know the kicker?

00:39:05.020 It's not even called the Dignity Act. That's not the actual name of the bill.

00:39:08.880 The bill is called the Dignidad Act. The Feliz Navidad Act. No, Dignidad.

00:39:16.320 It doesn't even have an English name. It has got a Spanish name, Dignidad.

00:39:20.080 And what does the Dignidad Act do from Congress Lady Maria Salazar, a fake Republican?

00:39:29.320 I want to be as fair and charitable as I can be. The Dignidad Act would, in principle,

00:39:35.520 secure the border. Oh man, I've heard that song before, haven't I? That's what the Democrats

00:39:40.240 promised Reagan in the 80s. They said, give us mass amnesty and we'll secure the border.

00:39:45.600 And what happened? We got the mass amnesty, they didn't secure the border.

00:39:50.080 It's the same bill. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice. To quote George W. Bush,

00:39:54.300 the point is you're not going to fool me again. The same bill, Maria Salazar comes out and says,

00:39:58.780 hey, remember that time the Democrats totally tricked us in the 80s and they said they'd

00:40:02.000 secure the border if we gave mass amnesty? Let's just try that again. But the reason she's pushing

00:40:08.620 this, I think, is because she doesn't care about border security because she does want mass amnesty 0.99

00:40:14.340 and she wants a pathway to citizenship for all these people. This secures the border in principle. 0.95

00:40:19.140 It establishes three humanitarian campuses

00:40:21.520 along the southern border

00:40:22.480 to process asylum cases.

00:40:24.500 Because what happens is 0.96

00:40:25.280 these people are economic migrants. 1.00

00:40:27.000 They come here.

00:40:27.680 They falsely claim that they need political asylum.

00:40:29.980 But for whatever reason,

00:40:30.820 they couldn't stop in any other

00:40:32.140 Latin American country along the way. 1.00

00:40:33.380 They had to come to the U.S.

00:40:34.320 for political asylum, for safety. 0.98

00:40:36.620 They're economic migrants,

00:40:38.120 99 times out of 100 or more. 0.99

00:40:40.180 And then the Dignity Program,

00:40:42.620 which is a seven-year deferred action program

00:40:45.120 offering temporary legal presence,

00:40:47.580 work authorization, travel authorization for undocumented individuals continuously present

00:40:53.020 in the U.S. since 2020. So the only thing here that is even remotely good is the border protection.

00:41:03.160 Here, though, they say, all right, if you've been here since 2020, if you're an illegal alien,

00:41:06.160 an undocumented American, undocumented individual, that's the language they use,

00:41:12.100 then if you've been here since 2020, you're good, you can stay. Now, do you see the problem with

00:41:16.600 this? Let's say you're an illegal alien who came here in 2019. And the law says, if you come here 0.84

00:41:22.720 in 2019, you got to go home. But if you come here in 2020, you can stay. What are you going to tell

00:41:28.620 the ICE officer? Probably, if you're a dishonest person, but if you're most people, I think,

00:41:35.860 you're going to say, well, I've been here since 2020. Now, the ICE officer is going to say, okay,

00:41:40.780 well we got to prove that but the problem is if the thing that distinguishes you is that you are 0.79

00:41:47.440 undocumented then you can't prove it so if the law says that you got to keep let these people in

00:41:55.520 then the law enforcement officers are going to defer to the illegals all that's going to happen

00:42:02.120 is you're going to walk up there you say hey hola i do solemnly swear i've been here since 2020

00:42:06.840 essay. I'm totally, you got to believe me, man, but I don't have any documents, but it's cool.

00:42:11.740 I'm totally honest. They're going to say, great, come on in. So it's mass amnesty for everyone.

00:42:16.500 Now there is a rule. You got to pay some taxes. You got to pay some back taxes.

00:42:20.760 But again, the problem with illegal immigration is not that these people don't pay enough taxes. 0.62

00:42:27.040 They don't. They're net takers of welfare programs. But the problem with them isn't that

00:42:31.440 they need to pay more taxes. The problem is they came here illegally. We don't want them here. 1.00

00:42:38.740 We have a legal immigration program. We take too many immigrants through that, by the way. 1.00

00:42:43.740 We now have the highest foreign-born percentage of the population we've ever had. It frays social 1.00

00:42:47.620 solidarity. It just doesn't work. No knock on them personally. No knock on even any part of

00:42:51.960 the world. It's just you can't take huge numbers of migrants and have your society continue to 1.00

00:42:56.120 function. So the problem is not that they're not paying enough taxes. The problem is that they are 1.00

00:42:59.660 here. They need to go home. Oh, and then the kicker, you know what the Dignidad Act does?

00:43:06.940 It's the Dream Act. It's the thing that Obama and the Democrats tried to pass.

00:43:11.860 It says that if you're a dreamer, what's a dreamer? A dreamer is this ridiculous euphemism 0.84

00:43:17.180 that the Democrats came up with for younger illegal aliens. And they came up with it 15 0.99

00:43:22.860 years ago. The dreamers. And the dreamers, you think of these little doe-eyed six-year-old kids,

00:43:29.480 brought here without their consent into America. The dreamers are like 50 now, okay? The dreamers 0.91

00:43:35.100 are like fat, balding 50-year-olds, the doe-eyed dreamers. So it gives the Democrats the main 0.95

00:43:41.620 amnesty legislation that they've sought for 15 years. This is just a joke. And then other people

00:43:46.160 are finding other provisions. The law gets worse and worse the more you read it. According to Will

00:43:50.920 Chamberlain, got to give a hat tip here for finding this bit of the bill. The Dignidad Act

00:43:57.420 prevents law enforcement from deporting gangsters because it prevents allegations of gang membership

00:44:05.780 that are in state or federal databases from being used to determine whether or not someone is in a

00:44:11.040 gang for the purpose of amnesty. So that guy, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, remember that one,

00:44:18.820 Senator Chris Van Hollen's boyfriend who got deported to Bukele's camp, and then the Democrats

00:44:23.040 whined and cried over this wife-beating illegal gangster being deported. Forget about the 0.96

00:44:28.080 constituents. It's the wife-beating illegal gangsters. We must protect them. They need 1.00

00:44:31.820 their dignidad. A guy like Kilmar Abrego-Garcia, who two judges said was a gangster, that guy

00:44:37.840 would get legal residency here through this stupid bill. It would also increase illegal 0.99

00:44:44.120 immigration, which is a big problem. We need no illegal immigration, and we need much less 0.95

00:44:48.960 legal immigration. We have too many immigrants. It's no knock on the, some of my family were 1.00

00:44:53.720 immigrants, legal immigrants, many, many years ago, well over a century ago, but we have too 1.00

00:45:01.280 many of them. We need, we got to chill out. This is what we do in America. We, when the country 1.00

00:45:05.580 was founded, we had basically no immigration. Then we let in some immigration from some places.

00:45:09.940 Then we closed off immigration again. And then 40 years later, we totally destroyed our immigration

00:45:15.020 system and flooded the country with particularly problematic migrants that skewed social 0.99

00:45:21.360 solidarity. But what this would do is increase the country cap from seven to 15 percent.

00:45:29.360 So especially immigrants from Mexico, India, China, double the number of immigrants we're

00:45:34.400 taking even legally. And the whole point of it is to give them citizenship. Now, Maria Salazar

00:45:40.860 dishonestly is saying right now that this would not give people citizenship. You need to read

00:45:45.420 the bill. She's yelling at my pal, Brandon Gill, the freshman congressman making a lot of big

00:45:49.800 waves. You need to read the bill before you open your mouth. That's not what this does. No, really.

00:45:54.820 Hey, look, hey, the big brains of the squish Republicans, they're actually, you know, this

00:45:59.800 is really good for border enforcement. If we want to win on the immigration issue, if you want to 0.93

00:46:05.180 get rid of the mass migration, secretly what we have to do is give mass amnesty to all of 0.99

00:46:10.740 these people because then they won't be illegal anymore, right? They'll be legal. These are what

00:46:14.880 the big brains are going to tell you. But don't listen to them because Marie Salazar elsewhere

00:46:18.640 admits the whole point of this is to make them citizens. We give them dignity. At some point in

00:46:25.820 the future, another legislator will write another law to give them path to citizenship. Right now,

00:46:31.340 what we need to do is to buy peace for these people, allow them to stay, to continue working

00:46:36.840 because they are needed.

00:46:38.640 Here's the pitch.

00:46:40.140 Look, I know you want to give them citizenship.

00:46:42.380 I know, but don't worry.

00:46:44.460 Down the line, some other legislator is going to do that.

00:46:46.920 We just got to buy them time.

00:46:49.320 Because if we, right now they might get deported

00:46:51.860 and then they'll never get citizenship.

00:46:53.340 So we got to do, you got to go along with me, guys. 0.99

00:46:55.680 We're going to lie to all the rubes. 0.99

00:46:57.640 We're going to lie to most Americans. 0.99

00:47:01.820 Trump won the popular vote running on mass deportations.

00:47:05.360 We're going to lie to them and say, this isn't about making them citizens.

00:47:08.260 And now we'll just buy them time so that we can finally get a Democrat in there to make

00:47:11.820 them citizens. 0.94

00:47:13.740 This is terrible fraud from this woman, Maria Salazar. 1.00

00:47:17.800 Any Republican congressman, there are a dozen or 14 of them. 1.00

00:47:20.920 I don't have that list in front of me or I'd read them.

00:47:24.520 Any Republican congressman supporting the Dignidad Act should be looked on with deep

00:47:31.100 skepticism.

00:47:31.640 I have my own proposal to counter the Dignidad Act.

00:47:36.080 I call it the, well, the point of the proposal will be to just deport these congressmen. 1.00

00:47:40.540 The point of the proposal will be to get rid of these squish congressmen, 0.89

00:47:44.160 at least to deport them from Congress, ideally from America. 1.00

00:47:47.020 And I'm going to call it the nicks, obnoxious, querulous, useless ingrates. 1.00

00:47:55.440 These are very ungrateful. 1.00

00:47:56.480 The Republicans elect them to mass deportation. 0.98

00:47:58.940 They're so ungrateful.

00:47:59.880 They turn on them immediately. 0.99

00:48:01.580 Nicks, obnoxious, querulous, useless, ingrates, and end Republican Obtuseness Act of 2026. 0.98

00:48:12.520 That's the act. 0.97

00:48:13.120 We got to get text to Republicans in Congress.

00:48:16.240 The No Chiaro Act is what it's called.

00:48:18.840 That's what we need. 1.00

00:48:19.620 This is absolute trash. 1.00

00:48:23.020 Very undignidadified. 1.00

00:48:25.060 Very undignidadified of these Republicans in Congress. 1.00

00:48:30.860 Pathetic stuff. Kill that bill. This woman needs to take the L. She needs to go away. 1.00

00:48:35.980 And the other Republicans who supported this need to keep their mouth shut for a little bit and go 1.00

00:48:40.020 along with what the voters actually want. Disgusting. Disgusting. It's just amazing, 0.99

00:48:45.740 these people. Probably they're just perfidious. Probably they're just deceitful fraudsters

00:48:52.300 trying to pull a fast one on voters. But if they sincerely believe this is a good idea,

00:48:57.260 And they're actually saying like, hey, golly, hey, fellas, the people, most Americans just

00:49:04.720 voted for us on the basis that we would have mass deportation.

00:49:11.060 So you know what we should do? 0.98

00:49:11.820 Mass amnesty for illegals. 1.00

00:49:13.700 Or you know what they do?

00:49:14.420 They say, look, this system's broken.

00:49:16.720 Look, the system is broken.

00:49:20.060 Our immigration system's broken. 1.00

00:49:21.500 And so what we need to do is make it worse in every way. 1.00

00:49:24.380 We have to because it's broken.

00:49:25.500 but look it's broken so the only thing we can do is make it worse in every way

00:49:30.620 not going to make it okay i really want to get to these catholic sisters in new york these

00:49:35.940 religious sisters the dominican sisters of hawthorne who for 125 years have been caring

00:49:41.380 for terminally ill people all the people have to do is show up and say i have no one to care for

00:49:44.720 me they will care for them and now democrat legislators are trying to punish them if they

00:49:52.060 don't full-throatedly accept transgender pronouns. We don't have time. We'll get to that story

00:49:59.960 tomorrow. Today is work from home Wednesday, and I didn't assign anything, and too bad. The rest of

00:50:04.480 the show continues now. You do not want to miss it. Become a member. Use code NOLS,

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00:50:22.060 Amen.

The Michael Knowles Show - April 08, 2026

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