The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1949 - Christianity Is NOT Compatible With Socialism

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00:00:57.720 A sitting member of Congress claims the U.S. would be unglued and the world on fire if we

00:01:05.180 knew what the government knows about UFOs. And that congressman is coming on this show

00:01:09.760 momentarily. Tucker's latest guest claims that Christianity is actually socialist.

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00:01:19.860 LGBTQIA plus is out. MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA plus is in. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:03:13.980 that is donewithdebt.com today. You know, of all those crazy things I just named,

00:03:21.180 the idea that we have human extraterrestrial breeding programs would rock the whole world

00:03:28.780 if we knew about it, or the MMLGBQLP, whatever the new sex acronym is in Canada, and the idea 0.55

00:03:36.860 that Christianity is socialist. Of all three of those, I think the craziest one is the idea that 0.74

00:03:41.680 Christianity is socialist. So anyway, we'll get to that claim in a moment. First of all, I am so 0.87

00:03:45.420 pleased to be joined by Tim Burchett, Congressman and man of the hour, a very popular US congressman,

00:03:55.280 but also one of the congressmen who's focused on some of these UFO, UAP extraterrestrial claims.

00:04:03.480 First of all, Congressman Burchett, thank you very much for making time to come on the show.

00:04:07.080 thank you for two things one having me on the show and two for saying my name right you will

00:04:13.220 not make my highlight film on people that have said my name wrong so you know congressman i

00:04:19.060 have noticed for for 10 years now i go on tv shows podcasts whatever and people cannot pronounce my

00:04:26.280 name either they say there's a michael no it's like they have marbles in their mouth so i totally

00:04:30.820 empathize. And I'm glad that I was able to articulate your name properly. I, Congressman,

00:04:38.900 I've been watching all of your clips, all of these interviews you've been doing. I'm pals with some

00:04:43.560 of your colleagues on the UFO panel in the House of Representatives. I've been following this for

00:04:49.580 a long time. And then your former colleague, Matt Gaetz, came out and he said that there is a human

00:04:56.200 extraterrestrial hybrid breeding program. And I said, you know what? Look, I've gotten along

00:05:02.280 great with Matt Gaetz over the years, but this is completely bonkers. I don't buy it. I don't

00:05:07.560 believe in aliens. No way, no how. But then you've been making the rounds saying some of these claims

00:05:14.520 are not as crazy as they might appear. That's true. Matt was actually briefed by a member of

00:05:21.260 our military in uniform on that subject. But, you know, I've heard a lot of wild things. I've been

00:05:30.020 in, let's just say, I've been briefed by a lot of high-ranking officials. And the thing I want

00:05:38.360 to warn people about is there's a word called PSYOP, or two words, I guess. And these agencies,

00:05:45.960 A lot of them were just chasing dollars, and they would laugh at me when I would talk to them about UFOs or UAPs, which is a complete distraction.

00:05:55.280 I just go UFOs.

00:05:57.600 And now they've seen that the polling population of this great country believes that we are not alone, and there is something extra out there.

00:06:09.360 And so now they see dollars.

00:06:11.320 and so now all of a sudden a lot of these alphabet agencies are putting stuff out i would warn people

00:06:17.820 if you don't see it with your own dadgum eyes don't believe it and it's and to me it's not

00:06:22.720 about little green man or flying saucers it's about what are we spending tens of millions if

00:06:28.800 not billions of dollars researching something and why do they say they don't exist but yet every

00:06:35.260 dadgum department except the irs maybe they do i don't know but um i don't want to get the irs

00:06:41.240 ticked off at me just yet. It's getting close. Why are they all investigating this object that

00:06:50.000 doesn't exist? And why do I sit in a secure briefing and this little punk with a man bun 0.99

00:06:55.400 comes in and tells me that he has no data points on something? I said, well, Dad Gummits,

00:07:00.740 let me give you an example. And I gave him an example of a nuclear facility that shut down

00:07:05.880 literally after they saw these UFOs flying over it.

00:07:09.520 It's a documented case.

00:07:11.420 You can go on news reports.

00:07:13.480 I mean, legitimate news people have talked about it.

00:07:16.620 So, you know, it's a phenomena

00:07:19.500 and we need to get to the bottom of it.

00:07:21.300 I've talked to the president about it.

00:07:23.660 And, you know, and also one other thing that ought to,

00:07:26.260 it's kind of a chilling effect to me

00:07:28.160 is when I'm talking to one of these

00:07:29.960 little gutless bureaucrats that's not elected

00:07:32.180 and they tell me the president

00:07:34.160 is on a need-to-know basis.

00:07:35.880 And that should scare you right there.

00:07:39.300 But I have seen some things and talked to some people about this issue that would keep you awake at night.

00:07:49.400 Congressman, you mentioned the IRS here.

00:07:51.500 I guess one of the greatest arguments against the existence of extraterrestrial aliens is if they exist, the IRS would find a way to tax them.

00:07:59.020 So that's one mark against the aliens.

00:08:01.200 On the point, though, of these unidentified objects, obviously, there are unidentified flying objects.

00:08:08.420 There's no question about that.

00:08:09.440 And it seems to me that speculation falls into three camps.

00:08:13.540 Your colleague, Anna Paulina Luna, said in an interview that she thinks that these beings are not necessarily physical.

00:08:21.940 So that would seem to fall into the camp that I find myself in, that the vice president apparently finds himself in, as he said in an interview to Benny Johnson.

00:08:29.700 that he, to put it bluntly, he thinks the aliens are demons. And then there are some people like

00:08:35.220 my colleague, Matt Walsh, who thinks the aliens are little green men or Mars attacks or something

00:08:40.420 like that. And then there is a third camp, which says that the UFOs are either our own technology

00:08:46.880 or China or something, you know, a terrestrial adversary. And I was speaking to a member of

00:08:52.140 Congress and I said, you know, I'm not sure what's scarier, if the aliens are demons or if the aliens

00:08:57.080 or Chinese? Because if the Chinese have this kind of technology and we don't, 0.92

00:09:01.240 that's pretty scary to me. Can you weigh in on? Yeah, let's start at the top of the last one 0.67

00:09:07.940 there, the Chinese. If the Chinese or we had that, there wouldn't be an Iranian conflict right now 0.76

00:09:14.340 and China would own the world. I mean, they pretty much do. They own Congress because we're 0.98

00:09:19.240 a bunch of gutless people and we allow the K Street lobbyists to run our world, but I'm not

00:09:25.240 better. And if the Russians had it, Putin, he would fly a UFO down, land it on the front steps

00:09:35.280 of the White House and get out and wrestle a unicorn or something. And so I don't go that

00:09:43.980 route. And what I do think is it's a combination of things. I think, if you allow me to expound,

00:09:50.840 if that's okay.

00:09:51.740 Please, please do it.

00:09:53.280 Sorry, I'm jumping around here.

00:09:54.680 I'm in a car.

00:09:55.440 We got our time zones fixed up.

00:09:57.780 That's totally my fault.

00:09:58.960 So, but I have,

00:09:59.640 I'm going to a meeting.

00:10:00.740 You're a busy guy.

00:10:01.620 I appreciate it.

00:10:02.920 No, brother.

00:10:03.680 It's an honor being on with you.

00:10:06.020 Now, in the spiritual realm,

00:10:10.060 I don't really have a grasp on that.

00:10:12.600 I'm a Christian.

00:10:13.280 I'm a born again Christian.

00:10:14.820 I'm a very imperfect one though.

00:10:16.620 I mean, I'm on the forgiveness

00:10:18.340 end of the scale.

00:10:19.160 I always tell my buddies.

00:10:20.060 Well, when all my buddies get to heaven, they're going to look over in the corner and they say,

00:10:24.560 Dad, how did the person get in here?

00:10:26.280 God must have lowered his standards.

00:10:28.100 But anyway, and I'm not worried about that because as a Christian, I don't mess with the demonic element,

00:10:35.400 but I do know that I'm protected because I am a Christian.

00:10:40.200 And as far as all the other goes, I think we've got something in one of these labs.

00:10:47.140 And what they've done is they put it in a, and it's not FOIA-able, and it's Freedom of Information Act, because they put it in a non-government corporation.

00:11:01.860 Because as a congressman, I can FOIA anybody, but they don't have to come.

00:11:05.620 I can only FOIA government or government, more or less government-associated entities.

00:11:11.200 So like Ford Boater Company, I want to find out, you know, why are they going on something else?

00:11:17.420 You know, why are they doing electricity?

00:11:18.640 I could pull you, but they're not going to respond.

00:11:20.700 They don't have to respond.

00:11:21.980 But say the FBI or somebody else, they generally have to respond at some point.

00:11:27.220 So what they've done is they've gotten this material or a craft or a humanoid or whatever it is,

00:11:34.460 and they put it off on these government contractors.

00:11:37.620 So there's probably five or six of them that we know.

00:11:40.820 So they're, you know, they're the major, the big boys.

00:11:44.240 Raytheon, that sort of thing.

00:11:45.600 Yeah, the war pimps, the industrial war complex, or I call them war pimps, which they don't like it when I do that. 0.58

00:11:52.940 So I'm calling them war pimps because I don't care.

00:11:55.840 I'm over it.

00:11:57.120 They're all a bunch of portfolio warriors.

00:11:59.160 And I got an 18-year-old daughter and I don't want to see her going overseas fighting any dadgum war.

00:12:03.780 But they do this and it's so compartmentalized that nobody really knows what the other one's doing.

00:12:10.820 Case in point, I knock on doors.

00:12:13.080 That's how Tim Burchett gets elected.

00:12:14.900 The big boys don't shower me with money to get elected.

00:12:18.600 They always support me the day after the election, you know? 0.84

00:12:21.540 And I get $25 in a Bible verse from a sweet little lady.

00:12:25.740 That's the people that elect Tim Burchett, and I dig that.

00:12:28.880 So I'm knocking on doors.

00:12:30.760 That's how I get elected.

00:12:31.800 And I'm out in the Farragut community, which is west of Knoxville in Knox County.

00:12:40.820 And this guy comes to the door and he's got his flag out.

00:12:43.180 I said, were you a veteran?

00:12:44.200 And he kind of said, no, no, I really wasn't.

00:12:46.360 And I said, and he was sort of acted like he was almost ashamed.

00:12:49.640 And I said, is it really what?

00:12:51.140 Because you're an older gentleman.

00:12:52.320 I said, what'd you do during the war?

00:12:53.600 And he said, well, actually I worked at Oak Ridge.

00:12:56.320 And I said, you know, my daddy was on Okinawa

00:12:59.220 when they thought they were going to invade.

00:13:01.420 Daddy fought on Peleliu and Okinawa.

00:13:03.240 He's in the Marine Corps.

00:13:04.220 He said they thought they were going to have to invade Japan.

00:13:08.680 I said, and if he were here, he'd hug your neck and thank you.

00:13:13.740 And the guy said, you know, the funny thing is, and this is what I go back to the UFO thing.

00:13:17.980 He says, my wife worked with me at Oak Ridge as well on the nuclear project.

00:13:23.220 And because, you know, the nukes, if we hadn't dropped the nuclear bomb, we would have, the nuclear bombs, we would have had to invade Japan.

00:13:28.800 And my dad probably would have died. 0.70

00:13:31.480 And so, and my life would be totally different now.

00:13:34.060 But my point in this is that his wife, who worked with him at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, he was married to at the time.

00:13:44.020 He did not know what she did.

00:13:46.180 It was that compartmentalized.

00:13:48.520 And that is exactly what you're seeing now.

00:13:50.320 But now everybody's got a book, going to do a book deal.

00:13:53.820 They got a computer, they got a web page or something, and they leak it out.

00:13:57.080 So what's happened is Roswell, New Mexico, whether you argue something did or didn't, I tend to believe something did happen there.

00:14:06.560 I don't, I think I have a general idea.

00:14:08.740 But anyway, the information they gathered there then has been put, farmed out to one of these corporations.

00:14:17.420 And anybody that had any association with it now is dead.

00:14:20.920 And that is the best compartmentalization you can have.

00:14:24.060 They've got stuff.

00:14:25.260 They don't know where it came from.

00:14:27.080 or who brought it to them but they've got it and so this it and and the technology is so advanced

00:14:34.360 in my opinion from what i've heard it would be like and i'm a motorcycle guy so if you brought

00:14:38.840 somebody a brand new indian chief or a big harley fat boy or something and you dropped it on the

00:14:45.000 people that that came over here on the mayflower it'd just be a bright shiny object dude they might

00:14:51.720 they might one day figure out how to start it they're probably not going to get the fuel

00:14:56.200 because the octane they sure as heck couldn't clean the injectors um you know they they wouldn't know

00:15:01.720 how to change a spark plug any of that and that is exactly what i think has happened to us with

00:15:07.400 this stuff now is it interdimensional or these there's a law of um and i always forget which

00:15:14.440 one it is it's a it's a it's a scientific law that it's just basically if something about

00:15:20.280 I've been over here, over there, been proven, and all your scientific people will be texting 0.97

00:15:30.440 and saying, that idiot is such and such, and I just can't remember what it is. 0.99

00:15:33.940 But I always want to write it down. 1.00

00:15:35.800 I tell my folks in D.C., remember what this is.

00:15:37.780 But anyway, and to me, that proves there's a God, because science proves a God, because

00:15:43.260 it can be here and instantaneously be over here.

00:15:46.060 And so if that is a capability that something can travel like that, that would prove, you know, light years, if something travels light years, it's just not possible that you could survive.

00:15:59.700 You would need nourishment.

00:16:01.620 You know, the closest planets are, you know, 1,000 light years.

00:16:06.340 It travels at the speed of light, takes 1,000 years to get here.

00:16:09.500 It's just the friction and all that is not possible for us as we know it.

00:16:13.740 So, all that combined, to me, I just think that there's a lot of confusion and there's a lot of misinformation out there.

00:16:23.280 And the only dadgum person that's going to be able to put this out is Donald J. Trump.

00:16:28.660 And he has to, because you're not going to get the scientific, you're not going to get these bureaucrats that are know-it-alls.

00:16:36.340 and everybody's, and, and, and there's a, uh, uh, uh, economic component to it. And there's also

00:16:45.400 an arrogance component, which is what Washington, uh, Washington's about power, control and money.

00:16:51.880 Right. So I had a disclosure bill. It was two pages long. You can tell I'm not much into all

00:16:58.300 the BS. I don't need a bunch of weather fours. And, you know, and when I go into questioning, 0.93

00:17:03.600 I don't talk about what a great day it is and how this person is this.

00:17:07.740 I just go straight for the juggler.

00:17:10.000 And so my bill for disclosure was two pages.

00:17:14.140 Well, the UFO community and everybody and all the bureaucrats

00:17:17.700 love the Senate version by Chuck Schumer.

00:17:20.400 Oh, Chuck Schumer's on board.

00:17:22.040 He was the ranked, the number one most powerful member of the Senate.

00:17:25.660 And he couldn't get the bill, but I'm throwing up air quotes.

00:17:28.900 He couldn't pass it.

00:17:30.680 He couldn't pass.

00:17:31.520 And that's total BS.

00:17:33.600 you know, he can make it rain and we can make it rain right now.

00:17:38.060 So it's only the president really who could get this done. Two last questions before I let you go.

00:17:44.680 One, do you think that we will have disclosure of whatever information we have regarding the UFOs?

00:17:50.020 And two, just something you mentioned just now, what do you think happened at Roswell?

00:17:56.140 No, we will not have disclosure. I don't think so. I just don't. I think it's too deep and I

00:18:02.940 think it's too it's too strong and they're going to claim military intelligence you know it's like

00:18:09.980 it weakens our military which is what the Schumer bill did and so anyway no okay no we're not gonna

00:18:17.160 ever get it they don't want it out and I don't think I'll have it on this side of eternity maybe 0.99

00:18:22.160 my daughter's generation will hear something but I I just don't I'm gonna keep busting their ass on 0.91

00:18:27.520 it though don't get me wrong I'm gonna keep fighting I'm a flagrant fence swinger dude I 0.91

00:18:32.220 swing for the fan every dadgum time and i'm sorry what was your second question brother well you

00:18:36.980 mentioned you you think you have an idea of what happened at roswell probably the most famous

00:18:41.220 incident of ufos do you uh what do you think happened and i'll tell you how i got it i was

00:18:47.320 um i used to have a truck and trailer business and i was putting this guy's uh trailer hitch on

00:18:52.960 and um and i remember he had a jeep and this was probably i don't know 20 years ago and he was and

00:18:59.980 he was out in the shop. He was smoking a cigarette. And I looked at his license plate and it said New

00:19:04.680 Mexico. I was a state senator in Tennessee. This was years ago. And I said, hey, New Mexico. I go,

00:19:11.560 you ever heard of Roswell? And he said, yeah. And he goes, my dad was in the Army Air Corps.

00:19:18.760 And see, the Army Air Corps preceded the Air Force. And in 47, when Roswell, I think, occurred,

00:19:24.360 we still had an army air corps and uh and i then i then my ears perked up because i realized this

00:19:30.960 guy knew what he was talking about because i knew a lot as studied military that is in the pacific

00:19:36.160 my mama flew an airplane during the second world war so i knew a little bit about the air corps

00:19:40.280 and um and he said i said i said yeah i said you ever heard about that ufo thing he goes

00:19:47.400 as a matter of fact my dad worked at that base i was an arm uh you know army brat whatever you

00:19:53.060 call it air army air corps brat and he i said really he said yeah he said we always thought

00:19:59.840 that it was what we'd heard and saw was it there was an explosion in the air so apparently

00:20:07.120 two craft hit each other and there's a documented case of a very similar in a time in that time

00:20:14.660 period of a crash somewhere else in the world maybe russia or something else and i can't remember all

00:20:20.260 the details, but it was a long distance away. So you'd think something traveling at supersonic

00:20:25.140 speeds, you know, it'd be over there pretty quick. And he said, and that was it. And he said,

00:20:30.060 all the other stuff was, was a big cover up, you know, and they had this Air Force officer. I

00:20:35.920 remember in the nineties or something, and it was like case closed and he was a smart aleck and he

00:20:41.360 was fat and he was doing this press conference. And I remember my daddy and I were watching it.

00:20:46.340 Daddy said, yeah, I don't buy that.

00:20:48.820 I don't buy that at all. 1.00

00:20:50.220 That guy was an arrogant jerk. 1.00

00:20:52.660 And so, yeah, I think there was a mid-air collision. 1.00

00:20:56.040 I think there was a cover-up.

00:20:57.580 I mean, the press, the Army put out, saucer recovered.

00:21:02.300 Now, how do you go from a hot air balloon to saucer recovered?

00:21:06.520 And they're saying, oh, we were covering up because we didn't want the Russians to know we had this dadgum hot air balloon. 0.72

00:21:14.720 I mean, give me a freaking break. 0.53

00:21:16.340 you know, a hotter, are you kidding me? They were, they knew we had, uh, when, when Truman was,

00:21:22.160 was that, um, uh, was it Potsdam or wherever it was? Um, when, and after Roosevelt had died and

00:21:28.960 Stalin was there and Stalin knew we'd already detonated an atomic bomb because they had people 0.51

00:21:35.840 on the ground there. Listen, it's saying, do not believe the government, do not trust them.

00:21:41.180 I don't care what they, I don't care if it's that. I'm with you, Congressman. That is my,

00:21:45.180 I would say that is my political gut instinct, is when the government seems to really want me

00:21:51.260 to believe something, I say, there's got to be a lot more to the story. Congressman, I greatly

00:21:56.260 appreciate your making the time, especially on the road amid everything else. And we'll see what

00:22:03.640 happens. I think you're probably right on disclosure, but who knows? Maybe they will

00:22:07.640 disclose it. The world will become unglued, and we won't sleep it ever again. Good to see you,

00:22:13.460 It's an honor, brother. It's a real pleasure being on with you. What kind of cigars do you

00:22:19.180 smoke? This is providential, Congressman. This is my very own cigar, Mayflower cigars.

00:22:24.880 You just mentioned the Mayflower. I think that that coincidence has to do with even more cosmic

00:22:33.080 forces than the aliens. I think it goes up even higher than that. But we'll have to get you some,

00:22:37.060 Congressman. I would very much look forward to a cigar and hearing more about the things that

00:22:41.480 you won't say on air. For next time. Thank you, brother. I'd love to talk to you. See you back.

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00:24:13.780 The congressman mentions Mayflower. I'm smoking a Mayflower cigar right here.

00:24:17.480 I'm smoking this Mayflower Dawn Churchill because today is Winston Churchill Day.

00:24:22.040 Today in 1963, President Kennedy and the Congress gave Winston Churchill honorary

00:24:26.860 American citizenship. So I'm sitting in the makeup room preparing to light my Mayflower

00:24:31.140 Dawn Churchill. And I said, wait a second, Churchill, his mother was American. And I'm

00:24:35.860 pretty sure I remember reading that Churchill was a descendant of the Mayflower. That's a kind of

00:24:40.700 funny coincidence. Hey, let me just Google who his ancestor was. I find out moments before I

00:24:47.960 light up my Mayflower Dawn Churchill on Winston Churchill Day, that Winston Churchill is my cousin.

00:24:55.560 You can see the resemblance. Churchill and I both descend from Dr. Samuel Fuller on the Mayflower.

00:25:02.300 So I'm smoking a Churchill Mayflower cigar, a cigar named both after him and our shared family.

00:25:08.720 Okay, I'm going to table the UFO stuff for a second and get back to more spiritual matters 0.74

00:25:14.040 because I think the aliens are demons anyway. There's a guest who just went on Tucker's show

00:25:19.580 and went completely viral all over the internet. This guy's name is Nathan Apfel.

00:25:25.120 And he made a claim that I find much more shocking, preposterous, and disturbing than any of the UFO claims.

00:25:35.520 This guy claimed that Christianity at its core is socialist.

00:25:42.400 And I would actually argue, and this is a bold statement, the Democratic Republic is the greatest government experiment in the history of humanity.

00:25:51.620 I would say that.

00:25:52.500 I've enjoyed it.

00:25:53.240 You've enjoyed it?

00:25:53.780 Yeah, so we enjoy it.

00:25:54.600 I love America.

00:25:56.100 You love America.

00:25:56.980 I do. 0.87

00:25:58.480 Capitalism should not be anywhere near Christianity. 0.68

00:26:02.000 You think?

00:26:03.720 Christianity is more, and I don't like the word socialist with the weight it carries, 0.79

00:26:09.900 but Christianity is socialism at its core.

00:26:13.320 Non-authoritarian.

00:26:16.040 It's the marker to build social capital.

00:26:19.280 You look at that early Church of Acts and it transformed Rome within a couple hundred years.

00:26:23.680 the greatest superpower of its time to where Constantine was like, I'm a Christian hanging

00:26:27.480 out with these dudes. They had no money. They had no buildings, but somehow the love of their

00:26:32.760 neighbor transformed the greatest superpower of its time. That's dangerous. Okay. So what this

00:26:39.480 guy just said is completely, totally, unequivocally, without exception, wrong, totally wrong and crazy.

00:26:51.520 Now, look, he's not a theologian.

00:26:53.020 He's a filmmaker.

00:26:54.600 So I don't know how seriously he takes religion.

00:26:57.780 I don't know how much he's thought about this.

00:26:59.200 But in any case, he's made an egregious error by saying that Christianity is socialist. 0.93

00:27:04.920 And it's tragic because he could have made a good point.

00:27:08.160 There is a good point that he could have made, but he didn't.

00:27:11.980 The way I know that Christianity is not socialist is on the one hand,

00:27:15.760 we have this guy, Nathan Apfel, who says Christianity at its core is socialist.

00:27:19.820 On the other hand, we have blessed Pope Pius IX, who describes socialism as a wicked theory that

00:27:25.600 would, quote, overthrow the entire order of human affairs. Pope Leo XIII calls socialism a hideous

00:27:31.460 deformity of the civil society of men and almost its ruin, calls socialists a seditious society.

00:27:37.360 Pope Pius XI says that socialism is fundamentally contrary to Christian truth,

00:27:42.540 says that socialism is based nevertheless on a theory of human society peculiar to itself and

00:27:47.680 irreconcilable with true Christianity. Religious socialism, Christian socialism are contradictory

00:27:55.200 terms. No one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist.

00:28:00.680 Pope John XXIII, who's actually a pretty liberal pope, unlike Pius IX, who started out liberal,

00:28:07.000 became very, very conservative. Pope Leo XIII, who was kind of, he appeals to both the left and

00:28:13.720 the right, but he's more of a conservative figure. Then Pope Pius XI, very conservative.

00:28:19.640 Pope John XXIII is considered a more liberal pope. He said in no uncertain terms,

00:28:23.780 no Catholic could subscribe even to moderate socialism.

00:28:28.280 Socialism is anathema from the Christian perspective. I could go on. I could quote 0.61

00:28:32.620 Pope Paul, St. Paul VI, St. John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI. You get the point.

00:28:38.580 No, Christianity is not in any sense socialist.

00:28:44.000 It is a major theological and historical misunderstanding that would lead anyone to say that.

00:28:52.340 Now, the point that Tucker's guest could have made that is worth pointing out is that

00:28:58.460 there are problems with capitalism too.

00:29:02.420 It's not that we say Christianity is not socialist, therefore it is entirely capitalist.

00:29:06.740 That is not the case. There is an important aspect of capitalism for Christianity.

00:29:15.980 You see this in the writings of Pope Leo XIII. You see this reaffirmed by John Paul II in

00:29:21.240 Centesimus Annus on the 100th anniversary of Pope Leo XIII's encyclical, Rerum Novarum.

00:29:28.220 Capitalism, which is just to say private property and markets, can be a good thing.

00:29:33.220 John Paul II said that free markets are the most efficient way to allocate goods around society.

00:29:38.700 And Pope Leo XIII went further to say that people have a right to their private property.

00:29:45.380 The socialists and the communists say you have no right whatsoever to your private property.

00:29:49.480 Leo XIII says, no, you do have a right to private property. However, this is the crucial part.

00:29:54.840 It is not an absolute right because of something that Christians call the universal destination of

00:30:01.360 goods. That is to say that created goods are for ultimately humanity. However, it is important as

00:30:09.180 a matter of dignity, as a matter of the efficient allocation of resources, as a matter of

00:30:15.560 functioning societies, that we have private property. But it's a conditional right. It's

00:30:23.800 conditioned on the notion that there is, in fact, a universal destination of goods.

00:30:28.200 So what we would say is not three cheers for capitalism.

00:30:32.320 We would say two cheers for capitalism.

00:30:34.720 Capitalism is good, but we don't want the tail to wag the dog.

00:30:38.780 We're not a society.

00:30:40.140 We're not human beings living in service of an economic market.

00:30:44.440 However, the economy is to be arranged in such a way that is conducive to human flourishing.

00:30:51.120 Socialism gets no cheers. 0.94

00:30:52.760 Socialism is wicked, evil, totally contrary to the Christian faith.

00:30:57.360 People who think Christianity is socialist just don't get it.

00:31:00.360 You know, they're not going to make it.

00:31:01.760 However, there are critiques of pure capitalism, laissez-faire capitalism,

00:31:07.120 hyper-individualist capitalism that are legitimate from a Christian perspective.

00:31:11.540 But folks, let's not be so contrarian that we're going to pretend that socialism goes

00:31:16.280 along with Christianity.

00:31:17.700 Quite the opposite.

00:31:18.940 Socialism and communism, arising from false premises about human nature, have been enemies

00:31:23.860 of the church from day one.

00:31:26.140 Okay, speaking of Christianity, great news. 0.94

00:31:28.840 Conversions way, way up, and the libs fighting Christians tooth and nail. 0.94

00:31:35.320 Catholic nuns now being punished.

00:31:38.940 Catholic nuns who are caring for terminally ill, poor people being punished 0.96

00:31:43.040 because they won't accept transgenderism. 0.77

00:31:46.180 And a new trans initialism comes out in Canada.

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00:33:00.620 Pure Talk. We've seen percolations of this story coming up for months, even years, that

00:33:07.960 conversions, baptisms, Christianity, and Catholicism specifically, way, way up.

00:33:14.500 Well, now we have the numbers after Easter Sunday, after a lot of people received into the church.

00:33:18.100 In the United States, adult conversions were up 38%, 38% after 2025 in which conversions were

00:33:28.920 already way, way up. There is something happening. It is happening broadly to religion. New atheism

00:33:36.100 deader than disco. Religious faith is back because new atheism is dumb and indefensible, 1.00

00:33:41.960 and it's not even as good as the old atheism, which is also dumb and indefensible. 0.99

00:33:45.740 whereas religion speaks to the eternal questions and the eternal longings of man and eternal truths. 0.80

00:33:52.180 And Catholicism in particular is way, way up. Why is Catholicism in particular way, way up?

00:33:57.800 I've mentioned on the show before, Alexei de Tocqueville, who wrote Democracy in America, 0.61

00:34:01.240 the greatest analysis of American democracy ever. He writes it around 1830. Alexei de Tocqueville

00:34:07.300 predicted that even though America is a Protestant country, it would tend in two directions as time

00:34:12.500 went on. It would tend toward atheism on the one hand and toward Catholicism on the other.

00:34:17.460 And the reason, Tocqueville said, is because in democracies, you heard Tucker's guest actually

00:34:24.880 say that democratic Republican government is the greatest form of government ever.

00:34:28.580 That's in itself a dubious claim, but we'll leave that for another time.

00:34:32.440 Tocqueville observed that if you're going to have democracy, people under democracy are going to

00:34:36.100 want to throw off all authority, including religious authority, so they're going to become

00:34:39.660 atheists. However, if they are going to accept religious authority at all, because man is a

00:34:44.500 religious creature, you can't get away from those eternal questions. If he's going to accept

00:34:47.680 religious authority, he wants it to be uniform and universal, which is what you get in Catholicism.

00:34:53.520 There's a distinction between the clergy and the laity, perhaps, but among the laity,

00:34:58.660 everybody's equal. And so he saw, not just because of migration, not just because there

00:35:03.360 were Irish coming into America and Germans coming into America, those mass waves of

00:35:07.280 immigration actually didn't happen for years after Tocqueville published Democracy in America.

00:35:12.800 What Tocqueville was seeing was something intrinsic to, in the nature of American democracy,

00:35:18.540 democracy generally, that would tend toward Catholicism. That's one reason. The other 0.66

00:35:24.040 reason is that man is a liturgical creature. And a lot of modern Protestantism, not high church

00:35:29.400 Protestantism, not the Presbyterians and the Anglicans and the Episcopalians, but more of the

00:35:34.620 the low church, evangelical, Baptist, non-denominational, capital N, capital D,

00:35:39.640 that kind of Protestantism is less liturgical. They don't have rites and rituals. They often

00:35:45.300 don't have icons. It's much more personalist. It's much more emotivist. And some people like

00:35:51.280 that. I'm not even knocking your tastes or your preferences. I'm just pointing out, man,

00:35:56.540 because we're embodied creatures, we're liturgical creatures. We're creatures of habit.

00:36:01.360 we do things with our bodies, and we do things in patterns, and we do things in cycles and in

00:36:08.800 habits. And so liturgical religion is going to speak to that. We've neglected our physicality

00:36:14.900 for so long. You saw that peak, I think, during the transgender moment where we said our bodies 0.90

00:36:18.860 have nothing to do with who we really are. And I think it's no coincidence that that year was the 0.99

00:36:23.700 turning point. And after that madness had passed, you saw a huge tick up, specifically in liturgical

00:36:30.440 religion. And then the other reason is that subjectivism is exhausted. We've been quoting

00:36:34.200 a lot of popes today. Pope Benedict XVI talked about the poison of subjectivism,

00:36:40.420 this tyranny of subjectivism that had overtaken the West, where we don't really know if anything's

00:36:44.960 true or false. And it doesn't just go back to the 1960s. It goes back much earlier. Really,

00:36:48.900 it goes back to Descartes, Rene Descartes, who said, I think therefore I am. And what he concluded

00:36:54.580 was that the only thing that we can really know for certain is that we think things. In other words,

00:36:59.700 the only certain knowledge that we have is what's banging around in our own head,

00:37:03.380 that we don't necessarily interact with reality as such. That was a major break from the scholastics 1.00

00:37:09.120 of the Middle Ages, from antiquity. And it, in my view, marked the beginning of the end 0.94

00:37:14.240 of a stable civilization. So that trend has been building for hundreds and hundreds of years.

00:37:22.980 I think that reached a tipping point also really with the transgender craze, where you say, 0.95

00:37:27.620 I can't even know what my sex is. You can't know what anyone's sex is. We can't know anything at 0.99

00:37:31.780 all. It tends toward almost a philosophical solipsism. And at that point, people said,

00:37:37.660 nah, you know what? I'm pretty sure there is truth. And I want to touch truth. And I want 0.93

00:37:40.620 to touch reality. And I want to be grounded in something real. And that would tend toward the

00:37:45.560 more mainline Protestant churches, the more liturgical churches, but then ultimately

00:37:48.940 toward the Catholic church, which is the only institution in the West that has survived since

00:37:53.240 antiquity. That's why it's up. Look, I also believe the reason it's up is because of the 0.99

00:37:57.720 moving of the Holy Spirit, and also because I think that the Catholic Church is divinely

00:38:01.340 instituted. So I obviously believe that, but I'm just observing the sociological reasons

00:38:06.400 why Catholicism in particular is having such a resurgence now. No one should be surprised by

00:38:11.460 that. This has been something 500 years in the making. Now, because of that, the libs are really

00:38:18.200 on the move, fighting Catholics in particular, Christians generally, religious people generally,

00:38:23.240 but Catholics in particular. There's this fight. Catholic nuns serving dying patients

00:38:29.580 are now being punished by New York legislators because New York legislators are insisting on a

00:38:35.280 transgender mandate for pronouns and for rooming. So you have these sisters in New York. It's the

00:38:40.540 Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne. We love our Dominican Sisters, one of the great religious

00:38:44.580 orders of all time. The Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne in New York are a 125-year-old

00:38:49.820 organization that has done one thing, taken care of poor dying people. All you have to do

00:38:57.800 to be taken care of by these sisters is show up, say, I have a terminal illness and no one can 0.99

00:39:02.440 take care of me and they will take care of you. This is as wonderful an organization as ever there

00:39:07.940 was. And the New York legislators are trying to punish them because they're saying, listen,

00:39:11.680 sisters, if a guy shows up and he's a man, but he says that he's a woman, you need to call him a

00:39:16.540 woman. You need to violate your conscience. You need to lie. You need to commit a mortal sin. 0.99

00:39:20.740 You need to deny reality. And furthermore, you need to room him with the women. 1.00

00:39:26.980 And the sisters say, well, we can't do that because that's a sin and that's a lie and it's

00:39:33.000 dangerous. And it's for a billion reasons, we can't do that. And the New York legislators are

00:39:37.300 saying, well, we're going to punish you. This reminds me of Joe Biden when he was vice president

00:39:40.580 in the, in the Joe Biden, nominally a Catholic. It's the Obama administration. What did they do?

00:39:46.200 they sued nuns. Nuns really are a specific type of religious sister, but colloquially,

00:39:54.160 we refer to all religious sisters as nuns, I guess. He was suing nuns. He was suing nuns,

00:40:00.040 the little sisters of the poor, because they wouldn't pay for abortions.

00:40:04.720 And I just think as a rule of thumb, this is hideous stuff, obviously. If you're in New York,

00:40:10.160 call your legislators. This is disgusting. More persecution of the church, Christianity being 0.83

00:40:14.560 the most persecuted religion in the world by the numbers not even close. But as a general rule of

00:40:20.440 thumb, you know me, I'm not the loftiest intellectual in the world. No false modesty.

00:40:26.060 I'm not. I'm not saying that I'm the deepest theologian or philosopher. I'm a simple man.

00:40:32.500 I'm a political creature, and I like rules of thumb, and I like shortcuts. And here's a political

00:40:36.220 shortcut for you. Whichever side of politics is suing nuns, that's the bad guys, and you should

00:40:44.760 be on the other side. Whether we're talking about New York state legislators, whether we're talking

00:40:50.200 about the Spanish Civil War, where the Republicans, the freedom fighters in the Spanish Civil War,

00:40:56.940 open up the war by shooting at a statue of Jesus and then attacking nuns and priests,

00:41:02.620 those aren't the good guys. Those are the bad guys. They were communists, by the way. They 0.64

00:41:05.960 were socialists and communists, a perfidious and wicked society that is contrary to the Christian 1.00

00:41:11.480 faith. Just a good rule of thumb. Whatever side is attacking the nuns, be on the other side. 1.00

00:41:16.940 Okay. Now, speaking of weird sexual identities, a Canadian member of parliament has dropped a new

00:41:22.860 initialism. LGBTQ is out. There's a new one. We'll get to that momentarily first, though.

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00:43:12.740 dailywire.com slash subscribe. Now, I did not pick the comment today. I was too excited to

00:43:17.680 discover that I am a cousin of Winston Churchill. We are specifically cousins through the Mayflower,

00:43:23.660 and I am smoking a Mayflower Dawn Churchill cigar today.

00:43:29.000 How glorious Providence is and you can get yours.

00:43:32.340 So I didn't pick the comment.

00:43:33.800 The producers picked the comment

00:43:34.820 and here's the comment they picked.

00:43:36.240 We'll see if I like it.

00:43:37.700 From Cole XN7NO,

00:43:39.740 as a certified person who's never worked in firefighting,

00:43:42.220 never spoken with a fire marshal,

00:43:43.900 please trim that candle wick

00:43:45.560 before it burns the place down.

00:43:47.000 Stay safe.

00:43:47.420 Okay, you know what?

00:43:48.040 Is this members of the makeup and wardrobe staff

00:43:52.640 writing to me right now?

00:43:53.600 because they tell me all that. They say, Michael, you got to trim your wick. I said, is that a

00:43:56.680 euphemism? They said, no, you have to, you get this thing. They gave me a thing. Did you know

00:44:01.120 this, men? I'm sure the women knew this in the audience. Did you know there's such a thing as a

00:44:05.080 wick trimmer and you're supposed to cut, you're supposed to clip with this little tool. It looks

00:44:09.700 like a medieval torture device. You're supposed to clip the wick on your candle. I'm a candle

00:44:14.800 mogul and I didn't know that for a very long time. Anyway, lots of combustibles on the table

00:44:19.960 today that I have produced, the candles and the Mayflower Dawn Churchill. A new initialism has

00:44:25.680 dropped just when you had learned the LGBTQ plus L-M-N-O-P, just when you learned that. That one's 1.00

00:44:33.020 out. He's a member of parliament in Canada, has a new one. Deal with the ongoing genocide of M-M-I-W-G-2-S-L-G-B-T-Q-Q-I-A

00:44:42.780 plus. This is abhorrent. Did you know there was a genocide going on? A genocide of M-M-I-W-G-2-L-G-B-T-Q-Q-I-A 0.78

00:44:59.560 plus people. I looked it up. That stands for Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women, 0.99

00:45:09.140 girls. And two-spirit, two-spirit, which is a term that they say it's an indigenous

00:45:16.160 native term going back centuries and millennia. It actually was invented by a lesbian activist

00:45:22.960 in 1990. And she said that the term came to her in a dream. So it has no connection really

00:45:30.240 whatsoever to ancient indigenous communities. Anyway, on top of that, lesbian, gay, bisexual, 0.97

00:45:35.840 transgender queer questioning intersex and asexual plus people. So the addition here,

00:45:41.260 it's not just the weird sex stuff, it's the missing and murdered part. Missing and murdered. 0.96

00:45:46.340 So not only have these people been oppressed by the bathroom laws and the girls volleyball team

00:45:51.640 rules, no, they're also now being murdered and kidnapped. The libs have taken this up,

00:45:58.200 some extreme libs like this member of parliament, and blamed colonialism for this. They've said,

00:46:03.520 you know, it's colonialism, it's racism, it's prejudice, it's the patriarchy that is attacking

00:46:10.440 the M-M-Q-P-L-B, whatever. But I looked it up because that didn't sound right to me. And it

00:46:16.980 turns out that when you try to figure out who is murdering these people, 80 to 86 percent of the

00:46:24.840 time, the people doing the murdering are intimate partners, spouses, family members, and acquaintances. 0.78

00:46:31.940 In other words, the people who are murdering the M-M-I-W-G-T-2-L-G-B-T-Q-Q-I-A people are the M-M-I-W-G-2-L-G-B-T-Q-Q-I-A people. 0.89

00:46:50.340 That's who's doing it, which has always been the case. 0.98

00:46:52.840 There was this meme some years ago, like three or four years ago, that said, you know, trans women of color are being murdered around this country. 1.00

00:47:01.440 And then you look who they're being murdered by, and they're being murdered by other LGBTQ, LMNOP people.

00:47:07.240 Most of them are prostitutes and drug addicts who are being killed in criminal acts by other people of the same community. 1.00

00:47:15.500 It has nothing to do with the other communities. 0.98

00:47:18.520 That's who it is.

00:47:19.160 So anyway, my heart goes out to the MM, etc. people.

00:47:23.800 but if they are being emmed and emmed if they're if they're going missing and being murdered

00:47:29.360 then the people to blame most of the almost all the time are the other people in that community

00:47:35.520 and they should probably get their act together speaking of gender politics lawrence o'donnell

00:47:40.080 of msnbc is really upset with pete hegseth and with the trump administration specifically really

00:47:46.740 upset over that rescue mission in iran that got the downed pilot on easter sunday and you say well

00:47:52.180 how could he be upset? Because it was a complete success and there were no American casualties in

00:47:57.620 it. It was just this amazing rescue of a guy who seemed totally hopeless. And so what could

00:48:03.580 Lawrence O'Donnell possibly be upset about in that mission? Take a listen.

00:48:08.740 That brilliant rescue was described by the Secretary of Defense

00:48:12.380 and by General Dan Cain, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,

00:48:16.400 as a long-standing American military rule

00:48:20.560 of never leaving anyone behind.

00:48:25.200 We leave no man behind.

00:48:28.460 That is, of course, the old-school version of the idea

00:48:32.520 back when only men flew American military planes.

00:48:37.780 General Dan Cain, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,

00:48:41.500 put it this way.

00:48:44.140 We leave no one behind.

00:48:47.400 The general knows, unlike Pete Hegseth, that that could have been a woman

00:48:52.980 they were trying to rescue, and it might be a woman the next time. 0.96

00:48:59.780 Perfect, perfect. Love it. You can just imagine Lawrence O'Donnell stranded on a desert island. 0.96

00:49:06.580 Stranded on a desert island with his sister, his daughter. They're there on the island,

00:49:13.960 And when all hope is lost, someone shows up, says, hey, I've got a rescue boat, sir, ma'am.

00:49:21.120 I have a rescue boat. Did you just call my daughter, ma'am? Did you assume her gender?

00:49:31.260 How dare you? You're going to die. You're on the brink of death. Please get on the ship. 1.00

00:49:35.980 a tsunami is coming. Please. Did you just misgender? I'll stay right here. Thank you very

00:49:45.560 much. This is how you know. This is how you know that in spite of everything and the fallen nature

00:49:54.660 of the world and the fact that politics is always going to be kind of broken, there's always going

00:49:57.520 to be something to complain about. This is how you know the Trump administration is doing a great

00:50:02.400 job. This is how you know the administration is doing a great job. Even in something relatively

00:50:07.620 controversial like this operation in Iran, this is how you know they're doing a really bang up job

00:50:13.120 at the end of the day when all is said and done. You know how I know? Because the best thing that

00:50:19.380 Lawrence O'Donnell could find to criticize is Pete Hegseth saying, leave no man behind.

00:50:26.120 because man, by the way, is a gender neutral term, just as he is the gender neutral first

00:50:33.220 person. There's a third person singular pronoun. But if that's the best thing these guys have to

00:50:39.980 criticize, there's nothing to criticize. You know, they would love to criticize oil going to $150

00:50:47.280 or $200 a barrel, but oil actually just plunged after the announcement of the ceasefire to $90

00:50:52.620 a barrel. They would love to complain about rampant inflation elsewhere. Eggs hitting $10,

00:50:57.600 $11 a dozen as they did under Biden. But you know what? They can't. Eggs have declined 63%.

00:51:03.120 They would love to complain about crime surging around the country. They can't because Trump

00:51:10.240 tackled the crime. They would love to find some way to complain about immigration, even though

00:51:15.660 they're pro-mass migration, pro-illegal immigration, but they'd love to find a way to complain about it.

00:51:19.880 they can't really not right now they're complaining about the phrase leave no man they're complaining

00:51:29.220 that when the military pulled off the most amazing rescue probably ever in american history

00:51:35.600 with no casualties whatsoever they didn't use the politically correct noun it's a good mark for

00:51:44.000 trump okay so much more to get to i want to get to this cia crazy super weapon speaking of that

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The Michael Knowles Show - April 09, 2026

Ep. 1949 - Christianity Is NOT Compatible With Socialism

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