The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1953 - JD Vance Speaks At TPUSA Amid Attacks On Erika Kirk

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00:00:23.240 on the campaign trail. Meanwhile, support for Israel in the United States collapses,

00:00:28.380 even among Republicans. This might be the biggest shift in public opinion on an issue

00:00:33.080 I have ever seen in my life. And it has all sorts of implications for U.S. foreign policy,

00:00:38.600 for the Republican Party, and all of this as the U.S. blockades the Iranian blockade. It's a double

00:00:46.940 blockade. It's a reverse UNO card blockade around the Strait of Hormuz as the Iran war enters its,

00:00:53.740 sorry, is in the middle of its sixth week. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:17.140 Welcome back to the show. Pardon the shoddy setup if you're watching today and not just listening.

00:01:21.660 I am in a hotel room in Philadelphia because I was at Villanova University last night.

00:01:27.360 That's the Pope's alma mater.

00:01:28.860 I agreed to this event last year providentially.

00:01:32.800 I was asked to speak at the Pope's alma mater on the topic of religion and America.

00:01:37.400 And the event happens to be 48 hours after President Trump gets into this war of words

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00:01:42.840 Meanwhile, Joy Behar and the ladies at The View are claiming that Jesus never said he

00:01:49.260 was the Messiah.

00:01:49.980 at. All politics always coming back to religion. This week, in a very overt way, we'll get to

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00:03:30.880 It's all about religion. 0.82

00:03:32.460 It all comes back to the Holy Land. 0.67

00:03:34.220 It all comes back to religion.

00:03:35.920 All human conflict ultimately is theological, as Cardinal Manning tells us. 0.93

00:03:39.760 I've got to start with Israel. This is crazy. Turning to Harry Enten over at CNN, 0.56

00:03:48.480 who is the most interesting pollster on TV. Harry Enten has new poll numbers coming out of Gallup

00:03:56.100 on a massive shift in public opinion over support of Israel.

00:04:02.600 The net favorability of Israel among Republicans under the age of 50. You go back to 2022,

00:04:08.500 Two thumbs up.

00:04:09.520 Two thumbs up for Israel amongst young Republicans.

00:04:12.080 But by 2025, look at this.

00:04:14.060 Already a 30-point shift away.

00:04:15.820 Their net favorability down to minus two.

00:04:17.980 Today, look at this.

00:04:19.620 Minus 16 points.

00:04:21.180 That's an over 40-point shift.

00:04:23.980 The net favorability of Israel with moderate liberal Republicans

00:04:26.840 back in 2022 at plus 26 points.

00:04:29.800 Today, again, negative territory.

00:04:34.040 Minus nine points.

00:04:34.960 That's a 35-point shift in just four years' time with moderate liberal Republicans shifting away from Israel.

00:04:43.260 Net favorability of Israel amongst non-liberal Democrats, that is those who identify as either moderate or conservative.

00:04:49.060 Back in 2022, Israel was on the plus side of the ledger.

00:04:52.940 I'll give it one thumbs up at plus three points.

00:04:55.120 Look at this.

00:04:55.820 Among moderate conservative Democrats, the net favor of Israel, down into the Sea of Galilee at minus 55 points.

00:05:03.180 minus 55 points among moderate, not liberal Democrats. Are there any moderate Democrats?

00:05:11.700 Are there any non-liberal Democrats? For the three that there are, I don't know,

00:05:14.280 maybe this is a poll of Joe Manchin and Fetterman. Regardless, massive shift.

00:05:20.920 Creates a big problem for the state of Israel and a big problem for the GOP and the United States.

00:05:27.300 These numbers are just unbelievable. This is not a poll of Twitter. This is not a poll of

00:05:33.180 the podcasters or the podcast audiences. This is not a poll of 4chan. This is a poll of moderate

00:05:40.820 American voters. So the state of Israel really began to lose the left 15 years ago. This is when

00:05:47.800 Israel really doubled down on its alignment with the American right, with the GOP and the

00:05:52.580 conservative movement. The conservatives were the last defenders of the state of Israel.

00:05:56.040 After the October 7th attacks and, crucially, the war in Gaza, that public opinion started to crater.

00:06:05.960 Cratering among the moderates, cratering among the people who aren't all that ideological, and especially among young people.

00:06:13.860 It's crazy.

00:06:15.400 But here's the problem.

00:06:17.600 What this means is that the interests of the state of Israel and the United States are diverging.

00:06:24.020 They've always been distinct.

00:06:26.040 they're not totally distinct. There is overlap. There are areas where the United States and

00:06:30.500 Israel's interests are aligned, but they're beginning to diverge. Looking at those numbers,

00:06:36.340 I have to think if I were the prime minister of Israel, I would do everything that I could do 0.99

00:06:42.240 right now to take out the Iranian regime. We talk about the Iran problem as losing our ability to 1.00

00:06:48.880 stop their nuclear program. You know, time is running out. If we wait a day longer, then they're 0.96

00:06:53.440 going to reach a point of immunity such that our missiles can't hit them anymore, such that even

00:06:58.020 if they don't have a nuclear weapon today, they're going to get one in a year because we're not able

00:07:01.780 to stop the program. We talk about that. The window is closing. The same fact applies to Iran

00:07:09.520 for the state of Israel. The window is closing because the United States is Israel's backer on 0.83

00:07:14.000 the international stage. The state of Israel doesn't really have that many friends internationally,

00:07:18.180 and the United States is the global hegemon, so they're the ones who back Israel. Now, the U.S. 0.85

00:07:23.060 has an interest in stopping Iran's nuclear program. I know some people deny that Iran

00:07:27.640 wants a nuclear weapon. I think that's ridiculous. Iran has been pretty open about wanting a nuclear 0.72

00:07:31.040 program for 50 years, a nuclear bomb. But the United States' interest here is in preventing 0.82

00:07:38.720 Iran from becoming a regional hegemon, from attacking Israel, which is an ally of the United 0.91

00:07:43.460 States, from destabilizing the world further because they have one foot in, one foot out of 0.95

00:07:47.320 the international order. It's a broader kind of threat. For the state of Israel, though,

00:07:52.280 Iran is an existential threat. Iran is much more of a threat to the state of Israel than it is to 0.93

00:07:56.600 the United States. Certainly, much more of a threat imminently. And previously, the state 0.99

00:08:02.660 of Israel could have counted on bipartisan support and then, at the very least, overwhelming GOP

00:08:08.780 support. Now, the last backers of Israel in the United States are gone and the trend lines are

00:08:16.320 all in the wrong direction. So if I'm a rational actor as the prime minister of Israel, I need to

00:08:23.000 go all in on this Iran war. The problem is the United States doesn't necessarily want to go

00:08:28.220 all in on this Iran war. But for the state of Israel, it's kind of like the last chance.

00:08:34.900 And now we're in the middle of the sixth week. Don't forget President Trump

00:08:37.960 said that the operation would take four to six weeks. And so when everyone was freaking out and

00:08:43.700 losing their heads over Trump. I said, look, I would have argued against the war. I did argue

00:08:47.440 against the war on prudential grounds, but Trump has an excellent record on foreign policy. So

00:08:51.700 I'll get concerned in week six. That's when I'm going to start getting concerned.

00:08:55.880 I think many people, many normal people, maybe not in the media or the political class,

00:08:59.760 many normal people had that same opinion. But now we're in week six. President Trump clearly

00:09:05.480 wants an off-ramp here. Israel cannot take an off-ramp here. Even if the numbers for favorability

00:09:11.600 were really good in the United States, Israel probably wouldn't want to take the offering,

00:09:15.540 but now it's existential. So now you have this even thornier problem.

00:09:21.860 Where does this war go? President Trump just provided an update. So the chief problem,

00:09:27.560 the greatest leverage that Iran has right now is that they blocked the Strait of Hormuz. And there

00:09:31.300 are some people who are trying to say, well, actually, this is 15 degree chess because actually

00:09:35.620 what's going to happen now is the United States is just going to supply all the oil to the world.

00:09:39.260 But that isn't going to happen. We don't have sufficient capacity to make up for the oil that's being lost, not going through the Strait of Hormuz. And oil is a global commodity, so the oil prices are being set globally. That means gas prices are going to go up in the United States, even if we start exporting a ton of oil.

00:09:56.400 So we have to open the Strait of Hormuz, but we can't do so in a way that allows Iran to hold 0.88

00:10:03.420 this massive leverage whereby they can just close the strait whenever they want to. 0.96

00:10:07.340 If that is the case, we will have given them a more powerful political weapon

00:10:10.860 than a nuclear bomb. Because the thing about a nuclear bomb is you can't really use it.

00:10:15.040 You know, I mean, we've used the nuclear bomb when we invented it 80 years ago. But since then,

00:10:21.000 happily, no one has used a nuclear weapon. So weirdly, the ability to close the Strait of

00:10:26.780 Hormuz and to paralyze the global hegemon is a stronger weapon, even than a nuclear bomb.

00:10:34.120 So President Trump has done something that I think is very wise here. He says, okay, well,

00:10:38.040 I can't really get these guys to negotiate. They're not honest negotiators. I can't get

00:10:42.100 them to give up their nuclear program. Okay, I'll tell you what I'll do. You're going to choke off

00:10:46.040 the global oil supply and petrochemicals and fertilizer and all these other goods that pass

00:10:51.260 through the Strait of Hormuz? You're going to try to squeeze the Gulf states? You're going to do 0.94

00:10:54.400 that, Iran? Okay. Well, I see your blockade and I raise you a blockade. So now I'm going to blockade 1.00

00:11:00.120 your blockade. So that's fine. All right. I guess the oil is not going through the strait, but guess

00:11:03.580 what? Nothing's getting into a rat of Iran now either. What are you going to do about that? 1.00

00:11:08.860 Iran is threatening to keep firing on the United States. Iran is now threatening to block shipping

00:11:15.000 from the Persian Gulf, the Sea of Oman, the Red Sea, if the U.S. continues the double blockade,

00:11:21.480 such that now you have the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman,

00:11:26.480 who was, according to reports, advocating for the strikes on Iran. Now, according to the reports,

00:11:32.140 Mohammed bin Salman says, hey, we need the off-ramp in this war here because we cannot allow

00:11:36.620 Iran to block the Red Sea. Meanwhile, China is threatening to arm the Iranians. That would be

00:11:43.780 very bad for the United States. I think President Trump has headed that off. President Trump has

00:11:47.940 now said to Xi Jinping, he wrote him a letter, he said, don't you arm the Iranians because then 0.72

00:11:52.000 we're going to take action against you. And Xi Jinping for now said, I don't intend to arm the 0.77

00:11:55.120 Iranians. It's a terrible position. And so it was always a terrible position. Trump was always in an

00:12:02.300 impossible spot. That was true last year, right before the Fordo bombings. That was true six years

00:12:07.860 ago, seven years ago. This has been building for many decades. But right now, I see only two

00:12:12.580 options on Iran, both of them terrible. And we'll get to what those are in a second. First, though,

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00:13:48.280 The one is to hand over massive leverage. If we wind this thing down with a bad deal and say,

00:13:56.000 okay, Iran, you'll give us some guarantees that you won't pursue your nuclear weapon for another 0.93

00:14:01.080 five years or 10 years, but you'll get to keep your enriched uranium, which we've buried 0.88

00:14:05.620 underground because of the very effective American military action. But we're going to lift some

00:14:09.480 sanctions. Maybe we'll give you a little bit of money. And we're going to recognize that you can

00:14:14.340 play this card again whenever you want. You can block the Strait of Hormuz whenever you want.

00:14:17.380 That's one option. Not great. Or we invade Iran. Or there's a ground invasion. There are boots on

00:14:25.400 the ground. Something that would take power away from Iran. We would be saying, this Strait is 1.00

00:14:32.060 ours now. You're not going to shut us down. We're the global hegemon. Get back in line.

00:14:37.060 But it's something for which there is no appetite in the United States.

00:14:42.120 Not on the left, not on the right, not among the MAGA voters, not the Americans generally

00:14:47.380 who are traumatized by the experience in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nobody really wants that.

00:14:53.620 But what are you going to do? So then it's very tempting to say, well, Trump just put himself in

00:14:58.480 pickle. He shouldn't have done this. He played this wrong. But this problem didn't begin six

00:15:02.540 weeks ago. This problem was clear eight months ago. I did a very scientific Twitter poll eight

00:15:08.280 months ago before the Fordow bombings. And I said, do you think that the United States should permit

00:15:14.380 Iran to develop a nuclear weapon? And in my very highly scientific Twitter poll, it was 90-10. No.

00:15:21.140 Right afterward, I said, okay, do you think the United States should go to war with Iran?

00:15:25.600 precisely the same numbers, 90-10, no. So if you're the president, you're in an impossible

00:15:33.460 situation. And this is how it works at presidential politics. I spoke to, many years ago, I spoke to

00:15:39.500 a top advisor to President Bush, and he made the point that by the time a decision gets up to the

00:15:46.400 presidential level, by the time it's not being taken by the underlings, it's impossible, just

00:15:51.260 by definition. When it gets up to the level of the president, there are no good options.

00:15:55.560 There are a ton of risks. This is what I said at the top of the Iran strikes, the most recent Iran

00:16:00.740 strikes. Everybody was celebrating in certain quarters. Everybody was saying, this is great. 0.94

00:16:06.580 Finally, freedom for Iran. The wonderful Persians can now be Western liberal Democrats. And isn't

00:16:11.400 that going to be wonderful? We're going to bring in the crown prince Reza Pahlavi. They're going

00:16:14.680 to be pro-Western. It's going to be awesome. I said, ah, not so fast. I think this regime is a

00:16:19.860 little more durable than all that. Let's not forget, the last time the CIA helped to install

00:16:23.240 a regime in Iran, it lasted 26 years. The Islamic revolution, the mullahs, have lasted twice as long.

00:16:28.340 They're clearly durable. The Iranians are not all, as we see in lots of propaganda on social media, 0.97

00:16:33.700 they're not all just like hot Persian women smoking long cigarettes, okay, ripping off their 0.99

00:16:38.020 hijabs. There is substantial support for a radical Islamic regime. It might not be the majority of 0.91

00:16:42.820 Iranians, but it's real. And the Iranian regime is brutal, ruthless. They have a billion contingency 0.61

00:16:49.340 plans. I don't think that you can really oust them. You can keep killing a lot of them, but I

00:16:56.240 don't think you can oust the regime. So you had the people that were cheering it on the one hand, 0.99

00:16:59.900 saying this is awesome, no downside. I interviewed someone with Cabot on Wired and Live the day the

00:17:06.240 Iran strike began. It was some woman, I think she'd worked in the State Department. She was Persian by

00:17:10.420 ethnicity. And she said, this is great. I don't see any downsides. I said, you don't see any

00:17:14.180 potential. Hold on. I think I could name one or two. So that was one side of it. And then you had

00:17:18.800 the other side saying this is terrible and Iran's a fine regime and they don't want a nuclear weapon

00:17:23.780 and they're not at all a threat to the United States. I said, that's ridiculous too. The real 0.97

00:17:27.980 take on this is if it works, this is the greatest stroke of foreign policy genius since the fall of

00:17:35.760 the Berlin Wall. If it doesn't work, this could be a brutal blow to American power. Forget about

00:17:44.240 the administration, forget about the conservative coalition. It would just be a major blow to

00:17:48.920 American power on the world stage. So the stakes are very high. You got to give credit. The guy's

00:17:53.080 got guts like we've rarely seen in the United States. But it's a brutal, brutal situation.

00:18:01.380 I'm reminded of Thucydides. I go back to Thucydides. One of the three references that

00:18:06.940 anyone ever makes when it comes to war. World War II, the fall of Rome, and Thucydides. Thucydides

00:18:13.300 is writing in the history of the Peloponnesian War that there are three reasons that people go

00:18:19.900 to war. Fear, interest, and honor. And no one ever takes honor seriously. But fear, obviously,

00:18:26.220 we fear. We don't want Iran to get a nuclear weapon. Interest, it would be good to have this

00:18:29.760 crucial country in the world be more pro-Western as it was 50 years ago. And honor, too. Honor,

00:18:35.520 meaning that we're the global hegemon. We cannot be pushed around by this two-bit terrorist regime

00:18:40.800 in Iran and all of its backers in Russia, in China. And this leads to what is sometimes called 0.94

00:18:45.680 the Thucydides trap, which is that when a major power like Athenian imperial democracy or the

00:18:51.600 United States is challenged by a rising power, in this case, China, war becomes very likely.

00:19:01.700 Those dynamics were all in play eight months ago, two years ago, 10 years ago. 0.78

00:19:07.260 They're very clear right now. Very dangerous situation. I don't envy the president.

00:19:12.460 He had no good options. He today has no good options. I hope he can pull a rabbit out of a

00:19:18.580 hat. One thing I always tell my friends in politics or in investing or anywhere is

00:19:22.180 don't bet against Trump. The guy has managed to pull a lot of rabbits out of the hat. However,

00:19:28.140 this is a very difficult one. If he can pull a rabbit out of the hat on this,

00:19:32.260 abolish term limits, leave him in power until he's 150 years old. Brutal situation. Coupled with

00:19:40.600 the major shift in domestic political opinion, especially on the Middle East, especially on

00:19:45.280 Israel, it's just a perfect storm. Okay, speaking of the president and religion, it always comes

00:19:51.920 back to religion. It's not just because I care a lot about religion, you care a lot about religion,

00:19:55.700 It just politics is about religion. Ultimately, the president has another message for the Pope

00:20:02.140 president posted on truth social. I said, oh no, oh no. I'm white knuckling here. What did he say

00:20:09.040 to the Pope this time? And he said, will someone please tell Pope Leo that Iran has killed at

00:20:14.780 least 42,000 innocent, completely unarmed protesters in the last two months. And that

00:20:18.940 for Iran to have a nuclear bomb is absolutely unacceptable. Can I say something? Can I say

00:20:25.220 Look, I was very blunt about how I did not like the president's last tweet about the Pope where

00:20:32.360 he called him weak and terrible. He said he doesn't like him and all. And I said, I don't

00:20:35.760 like, it's not that you can't criticize the Pope, but I don't love the tone about this. I gave a

00:20:40.160 whole speech last night, which you can catch on. I think it's on my YouTube channel. It's certainly

00:20:43.060 on Yaf's YouTube channel at Villanova, the Pope's alma mater on this dynamic, the Pope versus the

00:20:48.780 president. I said, a lot of it is, is the tone. You can disagree, but there should be a more

00:20:54.620 respectful tone. Not just to be nice, not just to be polite, but because the temporal power

00:20:59.960 has to work with the spiritual power. This is a dynamic that's existed since the 5th century,

00:21:05.380 or earlier, the 4th century, actually. They have to work together. You don't want them at war. In

00:21:09.360 the Middle Ages, they would literally go to war sometimes. It was not good. And there are so many

00:21:13.440 dark forces arrayed against us. We cannot have Catholics fighting Protestants, Christians 0.90

00:21:19.040 fighting Jews in the United States, and you cannot have the temporal ruler of the global hegemon.

00:21:24.620 the United States, the president of the United States, being more powerful than any Roman 0.67

00:21:28.320 emperor ever fighting the spiritual authority. Don't want to have it. So can I say something?

00:21:36.160 This post from President Trump to the Pope, I think he heard us. I think this is actually

00:21:42.940 a major improvement. It's Trumpy, so it's not the most polite ever, but look what he's saying.

00:21:48.500 He's not saying, this guy's a big dummy and he's a hippie and he's a commie and he wears a hat 0.99

00:21:52.720 and I don't like him. He's not saying that. 0.99

00:21:54.620 He says, will someone please tell the Pope? He even uses the word please. That's nice.

00:21:59.500 Will someone please tell the Pope that Iran has done a lot of bad things?

00:22:04.200 The Pope was saying that he's skeptical that the war in Iran is justified. There are just wars, 0.98

00:22:09.600 but he's saying, I don't think this war is justified. And Trump is saying, no,

00:22:13.360 will someone please tell the Pope? Here is the evidence for why the war might be justified. 0.99

00:22:18.180 So he's actually working within the same framework as the Pope in this one.

00:22:21.880 it's not just accusations. It's not just insults. He's attempting to persuade in his idiosyncratic

00:22:29.040 way. He is aligning his interest with the Pope's interest. They're aiming toward a common good.

00:22:34.860 Hey, Pope, you want to protect innocence. Well, I just think you're wrong about how I am protecting

00:22:40.020 innocence because I really am protecting innocence. And you're going to light on the

00:22:43.320 Iranian regime. And actually, I'm justified in taking action against the Iranian regime 1.00

00:22:49.220 on the same moral bases that you're thinking about. You even get a please in there. I'll take

00:22:55.720 it, guys. I know, you know, people say, well, no, I want him to say it this way. I want him to use

00:22:59.180 this word. I don't like that. That's not good enough. It's not, just deleting a post isn't

00:23:02.860 enough. You know, there's a million things to complain about. But in my view of politics,

00:23:07.900 politics is not the art of the perfect. Politics is the art of the possible. Politics is the art

00:23:12.300 of the second best. And so I'm very happy. I'm very gratified to see. President Trump posted

00:23:17.940 that picture that offended a lot of people a few days ago. And then he took it down.

00:23:23.860 That's a win. A lot of the other stuff about that, some of the explanations, justifications,

00:23:29.080 to me, a lot of that is just noise. We asked him to take the picture down and he did. That's a good

00:23:35.880 thing. We should be happy about that. In this case, Catholics in particular said we would like

00:23:43.440 it if the president spoke in a more respectful tone about the pope. He did that. I'm not saying

00:23:49.640 this is the way you would speak to someone at a high table at an Oxford dinner. I'm not saying

00:23:53.280 this is language totally fit for the queen, but it is more respectful. He is actually moving in

00:23:58.620 that direction. I'll take it. I think one step in the right direction, two steps or three steps in

00:24:02.580 the right direction. I'll take it. Now, speaking of terrible regimes, Hassan Piker, a left-wing

00:24:11.080 streamer who has repeatedly, consistently called for violence against conservatives,

00:24:15.800 threatened conservatives. He spoke at my alma mater, Yale, last night, and he claimed that

00:24:23.400 the fall of the Soviet Union is one of the great catastrophes of the 20th century. Normal Americans,

00:24:29.680 patriotic Americans, Americans, consider the fall of the Soviet Union to be one of the great

00:24:36.460 victories of the 20th century, one of the great victories in the history of the United States,

00:24:39.540 the end of the evil empire. The rise of America as the undisputed leader of the world.

00:24:45.800 For Hassan Piker, it's one of the great tragedies. And Hassan Piker is not just some guy mouthing

00:24:51.720 off on a live stream. Hassan Piker is the most prominent left-wing live streamer who is now

00:24:57.480 campaigning with Democrat candidates in the fall. We'll get to what that means. First, though,

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00:26:18.720 Hassan Piker at dear old Yale. You know, Yale was liberal when I was there,

00:26:22.740 and boy, oh boy, take it away.

00:26:26.600 The fall of the USSR was one of the greatest catastrophes of the 20th century. 0.63

00:26:31.860 just wait listen maybe you'll agree not only was there incalculable harm done to every single 0.85

00:26:42.840 country under its banner child prostitution skyrocketing suicide rates life expectancy

00:26:51.540 plummeting but america was no longer contested around the globe and it is precisely because

00:27:01.420 of the end to that

00:27:03.600 multi-polarity that we

00:27:05.620 saw accelerated

00:27:07.000 neoliberalism that is

00:27:09.140 devastating every

00:27:10.920 western nation right

00:27:13.420 now. Unlimited and unchecked

00:27:15.620 greed.

00:27:21.400 Our successes

00:27:22.800 are leading to our own

00:27:25.140 demise and the demise and collapse

00:27:27.340 of the liberal system.

00:27:28.440 the u.s has produced disaster after disaster after disaster on and on and on blame america

00:27:39.920 you know this is the guy who said america deserved 9-11 this is the guy who said that tom cotton the

00:27:44.920 senator should be assassinated this is the guy who said that liberals should assassinate rick scott

00:27:49.680 another uh republican senator this is the guy who said that the streets should run red in the blood 0.98

00:27:54.620 of capitalists. So he's very, very much in favor of political violence against conservatives.

00:27:58.760 He obviously hates America. If we had anything resembling a serious political system anymore,

00:28:04.240 he would have been deported long ago, maybe sent to Guantanamo Bay. The line in question here,

00:28:10.200 the point he's making that the fall of the Soviet Union was this catastrophe,

00:28:15.380 that is a line directly out of Putin. That's one of Putin's observations. He says it's one of the

00:28:21.280 great, if not the greatest tragedy of the 20th century. So you say, okay, well, who cares about

00:28:26.780 some guy mouthing off on his live stream or at this super liberal school to the pats and cheers

00:28:31.560 of some deluded undergraduates? Piker is not just some radical. We have fringe, wacky people on the

00:28:39.020 right who say they love Hitler, who are like real edgy. They're real special edgy boys, you know,

00:28:46.940 but the mainstream of the conservative movement and certainly of Republican candidates, but even

00:28:52.760 just the activist side of the conservative movement has kept those people out, totally

00:28:57.420 excluded those people. For Hassan Piker, they bring him in. They campaign with him. Two days

00:29:05.740 ago, Ezra Klein, moderate, moderate milquetoast, reasonable lib Ezra Klein in the New York Times,

00:29:13.140 the liberal establishment outlet par excellence, ran the headline, Hassan Piker is not the enemy.

00:29:21.080 We're talking about major shifts in public opinion, huge shifts to the political order.

00:29:26.460 This is the scariest one to me. Not Hassan Piker. He's kind of a doofus. He laments

00:29:35.880 neoliberal decadence as he's wearing his Cartier sunglasses. He's a multimillionaire

00:29:40.320 speaking at Yale. He's obviously a rank hypocrite and he's pretty goofy. The problem is, 1.00

00:29:47.880 even if he doesn't have political power, the people who do have real political power

00:29:52.200 are exalting him, bringing him in, campaigning with him. And they're doing so because they

00:29:57.940 realize that their base, their normie base, their moderates like that guy. And they like

00:30:05.380 political violence against conservatives. And they want to kill Rick Scott and they want to 0.92

00:30:09.480 kill Tom Cotton, and they celebrated when they assassinated Charlie Kirk, and they want to kill 1.00

00:30:13.160 you too. Very scary shift in public opinion. How does one counter that? Well, you saw a good 0.99

00:30:22.400 example of this last night. So while I was doing my speech at Villanova, Pope's alma mater, there

00:30:28.280 was a TPUSA event, and they're continuing Charlie's TPUSA tour. I'm very honored. Erica texted me,

00:30:35.140 invited me to do one of the events. I forget the exact date. I think we're doing it in Idaho.

00:30:39.480 But I think it's very important to support TPSA and to keep the tour going and not allow the left

00:30:45.380 to win in what they did, which is assassinating Charlie. And I think any way we can support

00:30:50.100 Erica, we absolutely should, obviously. The vice president agrees. No less a figure than

00:30:55.580 the vice president agrees. And so he was going to show up and do this event with Erica Kirk.

00:31:01.300 But Erica couldn't make it because there were too many credible death threats against her.

00:31:09.320 And right off the bat, you would say, well, hold on, how could there be a credible threat against

00:31:12.640 her at an event with the vice president? Surely he has a lot of threats against him. He has

00:31:17.240 Secret Service protection. How could the vice president show up and not Erica Kirk?

00:31:21.440 And it's simple enough. There were no threats to Erica Kirk in the room after the vice president

00:31:26.460 got there with the Secret Service locking down the venue. The problem is, the reporting is that

00:31:32.280 she was being doxxed and harassed and threatened on the way there. The vice president travels in

00:31:36.580 Air Force Two, flanked by an army of Secret Service agents. Erica Kirk doesn't. TPUSA is a

00:31:42.840 great, big, powerful organization. Erica Kirk is a widow, and she's the last parent that her kids

00:31:49.340 have left. And so she has to take those threats very, very seriously. Here's the vice president 0.54

00:31:54.640 discussing this horrific situation with Andrew Colvett, one of Charlie's right-hand men. I was

00:31:59.720 just on his show, Charlie's show, a couple of weeks ago, who filled in at the last minute.

00:32:04.900 Here's the situation.

00:32:07.320 So for those of you wondering why I don't have really flowing long blonde hair right now.

00:32:14.100 So I'm going to address it right at the front.

00:32:16.840 Mr. Vice President, I'm on stage here instead of our friend Erica Kirk.

00:32:20.680 That's right.

00:32:22.420 Because unfortunately, she has received some very serious threats in her direction.

00:32:28.660 Which is terrible.

00:32:30.400 It's a terrible reflection on the state of reality and the state of the country.

00:32:33.920 But it underscores a larger point that she has received a lot of attacks from surprising places, perhaps.

00:32:46.580 Tell us what you think about that, some of the people that have made part-time jobs out of attacking Erica, and this is the net result.

00:32:54.080 Sure. Well, first of all, I love Erica, and I know that she did get some threats.

00:32:57.840 and you know about two hours ago as you know Andrew I was a little worried that we were going

00:33:02.480 to have to cancel the event because Erica was not going to come and she was very worried about it

00:33:07.020 and I talked to the secret service and obviously these guys do a very good job and I said you know

00:33:11.320 what let's let Erica do what she needs to do for herself and her family I'm sure Andrew will fill

00:33:17.440 in and let's go and make this an amazing event with the Georgia Bulldogs in Athens Georgia so

00:33:22.640 absolutely we're going to do this thing. Very courageous. Really good on Andrew for stepping

00:33:28.980 up. And obviously on the vice president, who's a very busy guy who was just in Pakistan negotiating,

00:33:33.340 who's been all over the world and is spinning a lot of plates. Very good on him. I mean,

00:33:38.580 that's the right thing to do. J.D. was good friends with Charlie. And he's one of the few

00:33:43.640 figures, I think, who could unify the young rights. It's good that they showed up. But it's horrific

00:33:48.080 that Andrew had to sub in here because of the threats on Erica. So right off the bat,

00:33:54.140 there's this question, where are the threats coming from? Because a year ago, you would have

00:33:57.880 said all the threats are coming from the left. Now, clearly, Andrew here is referring to Candace

00:34:02.280 because Candace has been doing these shows going after Erica Kirk. And he didn't want to mention

00:34:07.200 her name, nor did the vice president, for reasons I totally understand and I agree with, which is

00:34:12.200 you don't want to give air to the kinds of accusations that are causing all these problems.

00:34:17.720 I get that, especially when it's a ratings game. I get all of that. But then you have this question,

00:34:22.980 what do we do? What do we do about it? Getting right to the point that Andrew is clearly alluding

00:34:28.680 to here, there's this media point, this moral point where we should say what we believe,

00:34:34.840 which is we've all done it ad nauseum. We say, this is wrong. I think this is really wrong to

00:34:40.260 go after Erica. I think we really need to support Erica. I think she's a hero in the way that she

00:34:43.860 has suffered publicly and done so with a lot of grace and people should stop hitting her. I wish

00:34:49.080 Candace wouldn't do that show. I wish, I wish people would, would lay off Erica and not just 1.00

00:34:53.800 lay off her, but support her because of what she's doing. So we can all say that till we're blue in

00:34:57.720 the face. But I've said from the beginning of all of this, I don't think that's going to be

00:35:02.180 sufficient. In fact, I don't think that's going to really work much at all. We should state the

00:35:06.660 truth, but that, that alone is not a strategy. And I think that's clearly proven out, obviously,

00:35:10.980 just talking about it a lot hasn't done anything, has not worked. Erica could not show up to this

00:35:19.180 event last night, despite all the people talking and talking and talking. So what can be done?

00:35:26.160 What can be done broadly? This relates to the Hassan Piker story at Yale, the left exalting

00:35:31.040 this guy who is calling for political violence against conservatives. The clearest example of

00:35:35.320 political violence against conservatives being the assassination of Charlie Kirk by a radical 1.00

00:35:39.740 a leftist dating a tranny. What is to be done? There are some people who say, well, if we just 1.00

00:35:44.100 talk about it enough, that's it. You know, we'll just debate. And the answer to bad ideas is more

00:35:49.160 speech. And after Charlie was assassinated, I wrote a piece, wrote a column and talked a fair

00:35:54.360 bit about how I thought that was the wrong approach. You can't just double down on the

00:35:58.300 free marketplace of ideas because you can't have a marketplace of any kind of ideas or commodities

00:36:02.700 when bandits keep coming in, shooting up the marketplace. So you need more than just talk.

00:36:07.440 You need more than just debate and podcasts and speeches.

00:36:11.680 A point I make a lot on this show is politics is not just debate club.

00:36:16.240 There's debate.

00:36:17.340 Politics has to do with debate, but it's not just debate club.

00:36:19.880 You have to wield power.

00:36:22.080 And so in this case, when we're talking about specific, credible threats against Erica,

00:36:28.340 doxing her, threatening her on the way to this venue, the government needs to go in

00:36:34.020 and find the people who were making those threats, whether they were online, whether they were by

00:36:39.440 mail, by phone, whoever those people were. We live in the greatest surveillance state that's

00:36:45.320 ever existed, maybe other than China, but we can find these people. The government needs to go find

00:36:52.800 them and arrest them and then prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. And then it needs

00:36:58.740 to enhance their charges with civil rights enhancements, for instance. And we need to put

00:37:03.820 those people in prison for a very, very, very long time. That's the only way this works. I have

00:37:10.000 personal experience of this. Antifa used to show up to my speaking events. The left broadly has

00:37:15.940 been threatening us, committing acts of violence, not just at TPSA events or YAF events or my events,

00:37:21.540 but at all of the conservative events around the country for years. You know what? Antifa doesn't

00:37:27.300 show up to my events anymore. And the reason is because a couple of years ago, when one of them

00:37:31.180 showed up, two of them showed up, and threw an explosive and seriously injured a cop,

00:37:35.040 that guy went to prison. And he didn't go to prison for nearly long enough,

00:37:38.580 but there was a federal case brought, and there were real consequences. And I'm just speaking

00:37:44.720 to my personal experience, they started to lay off. So that's the legal aspect. You have to go,

00:37:49.760 it's not enough just to talk about what a shame it all is, and how it'd be great if we could all

00:37:54.500 sing Kumbaya and be nice again. You have to bring the government in to find the people who are

00:37:57.820 committing the real crimes, not, not even just kind of talking or opining, but the people are

00:38:02.720 going and saying, I'm threatening you. I'm going to dox you. I'm going to come after your family

00:38:05.720 to Erica Kirk, this, this woman who should be an exemplar of grace, go after those people

00:38:11.700 and arrest them. But that's not even the end of the story because it's not even enough just to

00:38:16.280 arrest these people. You then need to bring in the political component, which is you need to make

00:38:20.460 the mainstream left toxic. If the mainstream left is going to play around with these people

00:38:28.080 who call for and promote political violence, guys like Hassan Piker, you need to make it

00:38:33.960 toxic for them to do so. You need to punish them at the ballot box. Maybe you need to punish them

00:38:40.060 through the law. You need to investigate them. You need to subpoena them. You need to humiliate

00:38:43.680 them in public. You need to make it brutal for them to have public lives in government.

00:38:49.760 That's the only way it's going to work. The right is pretty good at media, not even

00:38:57.380 establishment media. We're just pretty good at like kind of wacky media that is subversive to

00:39:02.980 the mainstream. So we were good at talk radio when talk radio was kind of nothing. We're good

00:39:07.460 at cable news when the networks were still dominating. We're good at podcasts and we

00:39:11.200 dominated podcasts in the early days of podcasts. Now I guess we're good at live streaming and

00:39:15.020 tweeting and TikTok, I don't know, whatever. But too many people on the right are just content

00:39:19.920 leaving it with media. When we actually get political power, we don't know how to wield it.

00:39:25.900 We're not comfortable wielding it. I think the Trump administration has done a very good job

00:39:30.620 on this generally. But to me, this is the issue. You want to talk about all the issues

00:39:35.300 that I'm thinking of heading into November? The immigration issue, Trump's actually done a good

00:39:42.160 job on it. He doesn't get credit for it. Over 700,000 formal deportations last year, well over

00:39:47.280 a million self-deportations. It's a start. It's not 20 million, but it's 2 million. That's a start. 1.00

00:39:52.660 They could ramp it up. That's great, but they've done a great job. And they cut off the 3 million

00:39:55.540 who were coming every year at the border. The admin is not getting nearly enough credit for

00:39:58.840 the mass deportations. That's one issue in my mind. The other issue in my mind, obviously the

00:40:02.520 Iran war, which is very, very high stakes. I said it from the minute it kicked off. 0.50

00:40:06.180 but it's either going to be great or it's going to be a quagmire. And there's actually very little

00:40:12.780 that we can do now because the die is cast. But one issue that we can fight on that is politically

00:40:17.700 unifying, that is crucial as a matter of justice, and that is existential from a political standpoint

00:40:23.080 is we have to prosecute the left. And not just the, I mean, I guess the eccentric people all

00:40:29.440 over because we're in this major shift of public opinion where you don't even know if someone's on

00:40:32.560 the left or the right. Regardless, we need to wield the law, guys. I don't mean to sound like

00:40:37.760 Mussolini or banging the table, but you have to wield the law. Because when these guys get back

00:40:43.080 into power, it's not going to be Joe Biden. You're going to be longing for the days of Joe Biden,

00:40:46.940 who also wielded the law to arrest pro-life grannies. Joe Biden, who also sued nuns in the 0.99

00:40:52.140 Obama administration. Joe Biden, who's dreadful. And you're going to be longing for the days of

00:40:58.100 Joe Biden. Because the Democrats who are coming into power, they're a bunch of Hassan pikers. 1.00

00:41:03.720 And the threats and the violence and the doxing and the suppression, violence, it's only going 0.99

00:41:10.920 to go up. And if we can't get our act together, we don't want to take those steps to really wield

00:41:16.460 power. I said this yesterday, we have no one but ourselves to blame. Okay. Now, speaking of

00:41:21.540 political power, the Trump administration is doing something excellent with wielding political power

00:41:25.560 on the immigration issue. This, no one really seems to be talking about it. It's coming from

00:41:29.960 Treasury Secretary Scott Besson. Yesterday, our investigative team uncovered a story that should

00:41:34.280 have been impossible to ignore. New emails show the Biden administration coordinated with radical

00:41:38.140 pro-abortion groups to help track and prosecute peaceful pro-life activists. So the question is

00:41:43.020 simple. Why did the legacy media not want you to see it? Your membership is what allows us to keep

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00:41:59.040 My favorite comment yesterday is from FrostedIceFarrow7723,

00:42:04.460 who says, the Arabic yodeling is called ululating.

00:42:09.860 It is a horrible, terrifying noise.

00:42:11.760 I have Professor Jacob, my Levant expert, over in the corner there.

00:42:15.460 Did I pronounce that correctly, Professor? 0.99

00:42:17.040 Ululating?

00:42:19.360 He says it's alahuakbar. 0.99

00:42:21.280 But it's the one where they go, ala, ala.

00:42:23.440 They did it at the Sabrina Carpenter concert when Sabrina Carpenter just had this immediate, impossible-to-suppress look of disgust.

00:42:31.560 She goes, ugh, what's that? 0.94

00:42:33.200 She said, it's my culture.

00:42:33.960 I really love it.

00:42:34.440 He goes, that's your culture?

00:42:36.020 So, ululating. 1.00

00:42:37.020 I like that.

00:42:37.420 I learned a new word today.

00:42:39.960 Scott Besson, Treasury Secretary, whom I admire greatly.

00:42:44.680 I've interviewed him a couple of times.

00:42:46.020 Really sharp guy in the Trump administration.

00:42:47.840 information. Besson just came out and he said the president is considering an executive order

00:42:52.980 to force banks to collect citizenship information on the customers.

00:43:00.640 I love this. I love this so much. This is what I mean when I talk about how the Trump admin is not

00:43:07.640 getting enough credit for the deportations. The deportations are not going to be rounding up

00:43:12.020 Venezuelans and putting them on a bunch of boxcars down to Bukele's torture camp. That's not how it's

00:43:16.040 going to work. There'll be a little bit of airplanes and planes, trains, and automobiles,

00:43:19.600 but to deal with a problem like 20 million illegal aliens, you can't just send in the

00:43:24.360 police. You have to be creative in how you're going to do it. Forcing banks to collect citizenship

00:43:31.220 information, which is then reported to the government, which then allows the government 0.99

00:43:36.400 to deport people, is one of the strongest mechanisms I've seen yet to get these people

00:43:41.860 out of the country. You're not going in, you're not throwing a gun in their face, you're not

00:43:45.940 invading Minnesota and giving Tim Walz the opportunity to launch an insurrection and a

00:43:49.780 PSYOP. You're just taking them out of the economy. You're debanking them. This is a tool that the

00:43:56.280 left has wielded against the right, you will recall. This is a tool that left wielded against

00:44:00.520 Trump specifically. And it works. And that's just against one or two people, most powerful people

00:44:06.800 in the world. When you just debank 20 million people, they're probably going to go home

00:44:12.600 because they're being shut out of the economy. I love this. I love this. That's power. That's

00:44:21.740 politics. There's the show when the Democrats launched their great campaign to throw Swalwell

00:44:26.940 under the bus, but at the same time, improve their chances in California, maintain their power in

00:44:34.120 Congress, avoid shaming their fellow Democrat constituents or members in Congress by not

00:44:39.060 putting them on the record to expel. I said, game, game, recognize game. You've got to give it to

00:44:43.760 them. They're really good at politics. That's power. That's the kind of thing we're seeing

00:44:47.640 here. I love this. I hope the executive order does come out. I hope it has teeth. Okay. Speaking

00:44:51.420 of power, we return to eternal power. Joy Behar on The View has just made a strange theological

00:44:58.700 claim, you know, in this age of debates between the Pope and the president, an age of lady bishops

00:45:04.680 going on CNN to opine about religion as if such a thing were even possible. Joy Behar goes to the

00:45:12.000 heart of the matter and says that Jesus never claimed to be Jesus. Jesus himself did not run

00:45:19.160 around saying I'm the Messiah. I'm the Messiah. You're supposed to have a little bit of...

00:45:24.560 That's exactly what Jesus said, I am the Messiah.

00:45:26.820 Hey, you know what?

00:45:28.000 Why is it not?

00:45:29.660 It's been a minute.

00:45:30.760 Here's the thing.

00:45:32.200 The Pope's got him.

00:45:33.380 He's got God in time.

00:45:35.340 Jesus said, I'm new Jesus.

00:45:38.560 Jesus was not narcissistic like this guy.

00:45:41.460 But when you are the Messiah, it's not narcissism to say it.

00:45:44.620 Yes, it is.

00:45:45.600 When you are the Messiah.

00:45:46.720 I'm going to move this along because this is like, it's too much for me.

00:45:50.960 The Pope has God with him.

00:45:52.860 Yes.

00:45:53.160 okay so whoopee even whoopee realizes this is not going very well joy bear comes he's he never

00:45:59.900 claimed to be the messiah you say well he did not only that he claimed to be god he said before

00:46:08.540 abraham was i am he says i i saw satan fall like lightning he says i am the way the truth and the

00:46:17.280 life he says whoever has seen me has seen the father he says there's no way to the father

00:46:23.100 except through the sun. He conquers death and is resurrected and ascends into heaven.

00:46:30.320 He rides into Jerusalem on an ass heralded by palm fronds. He only claims to be the Messiah. 0.96

00:46:41.140 That's the thing he does. And God, not just a Messiah in the literal temporal sense,

00:46:46.420 but also in the spiritual sense, in the eternal sense. And I don't need to tell you this. You

00:46:53.020 obviously all know that. But what delights me about this clip is the confidence. How many

00:47:00.760 people do you have in your life? You know, that liberal cousin, that person in class, that co-worker

00:47:06.820 who doesn't know anything about anything and just speaks so confidently. It's a meme. It's

00:47:14.440 actually become a meme. Say, well, you know, look, I'm a liberal and I don't believe your stupid 1.00

00:47:18.920 religion, you dumb Christian rube. But let me tell you why I'm actually a better Christian than you. 1.00

00:47:26.180 I actually think all your views are completely bogus. And no, I've never read the Bible. Of

00:47:30.600 course not. But let me tell you why I actually know everything about Christianity. And they just,

00:47:36.580 they're so confident. This is what Reagan talked about when he said, the problem with our liberal

00:47:42.120 friends is not that they're ignorant, it's that they know so much that isn't so. It's Joy Behar. 0.95

00:47:48.120 And what's so amazing is now one regular viewer of Joy Behar, of The View, will come away from

00:47:54.740 that and say, huh, maybe I shouldn't trust what they say on other things. If Joy Behar can say

00:48:00.380 so confidently something that is so manifestly false, you would have to assume she doesn't

00:48:05.160 know anything about anything. But no. But no. They'll just move on. Okay, I really want to get

00:48:12.300 to a viral question. I really want to, oh, I want to get to it so badly, which is, it went viral.

00:48:18.960 It was this question posed to Reddit that went viral on social media. Why do conservative men

00:48:24.720 seem to date liberal women? Why do they do? And I think that's true.

00:48:32.680 One person just tried to answer it very quickly and said, because they're easy.

00:48:35.900 Okay, that's fine. We'll put that one aside for a second. But I think there are other reasons too,

00:48:40.380 But we don't have time to get to it.

00:48:41.680 So the love doctor is going to have to tease that for tomorrow. 0.99

00:48:44.320 Come tune back in tomorrow.

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The Michael Knowles Show - April 15, 2026

Ep. 1953 - JD Vance Speaks At TPUSA Amid Attacks On Erika Kirk

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