The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1956 - Pope Leo's ＂SHOCKING＂ Immigration Comments EXPLAINED

00:00:00.000 I've got good news and I've got bad news. We will start with the good news.

00:00:04.620 Since our last show on Friday, the Strait of Hormuz has officially been open for business,

00:00:11.300 bringing an end to this latest round of hostilities with Iran.

00:00:15.640 The bad news is that since the opening of the Strait of Hormuz on Friday,

00:00:21.500 the Iranians have closed it again. Or maybe since we've started this show, 0.95

00:00:26.940 It's already been about seven or eight seconds. Maybe the strait is open again.

00:00:30.900 We will examine the significance of Schrodinger's strait and why, in the case of our present

00:00:36.540 options in Iran, I seriously this time am sorry to say that I told you so.

00:00:42.080 Then the Pope makes shocking comments on immigration. You actually will want to hear

00:00:47.820 these comments. President Trump promises UFO disclosure at TPUSA, and Charlie Kirk's alleged

00:00:53.160 murderer appears in court. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:56.940 Welcome back to the show.

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00:02:45.280 Before we get to all the bad news in Iran and in Lebanon and all around the world,

00:02:52.540 I want to address something really nice, good, happy.

00:02:56.640 And you've probably noticed it right now.

00:02:58.100 You're listening.

00:02:58.680 You're saying, Michael, your voice sounds so soulful, so raspy right now, so deep and

00:03:05.720 mellifluous.

00:03:06.520 Why is that?

00:03:07.200 It's because I just got back from New Orleans for the PCA, the Premium Cigar Association

00:03:13.920 trade show.

00:03:14.820 I was there, obviously, with my beloved Mayflower cigars.

00:03:18.260 We had a great trade show.

00:03:19.620 I smoked about a billion cigars.

00:03:21.960 New Orleans, you know, you have a couple of Coca-Colas around there.

00:03:25.060 It was a great, wonderful time.

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00:03:37.240 Now, one impediment to global trade right now is the fact that the Strait of Hormuz,

00:03:43.100 through which passes one fifth of the world's oil and a bunch of LNG and a bunch of chemicals

00:03:51.240 and a bunch of fertilizer and a lot of stuff is closed after it was opened, after it was closed.

00:03:58.740 So here's the recap since the last time we all spoke. The Iranian foreign minister on Friday,

00:04:05.460 this is Abbas Araghi, announced that the strait was open. This was really good news because Friday

00:04:12.060 was the end of the six weeks since the Iran strikes began. President Trump said,

00:04:18.300 I think it's gonna last about four to six weeks. Right on time, like a railroad, it was just

00:04:23.440 amazing. Iran says, okay, the strait is open. Then Iran reimposed a blockade because President

00:04:33.940 Trump had done his reverse Uno car double blockade. Iran blockaded the strait, Trump

00:04:39.260 blockaded Iran. Now, Iran was in a real pickle because Iran could no longer call the shots.

00:04:44.580 The pro-Iran ships get to go through. The anti-Iran ships do not. Iranian ships get to go

00:04:49.200 out. The US came in and said, sorry, too bad. Now you're not getting any food. Now you're not

00:04:53.240 getting any anything. And so then Iran caved, but then Iran didn't cave. So ships, the minute they 0.87

00:04:59.960 got word that it was open, they started going through the strait and then they just turned

00:05:04.280 around, and they're just going back and forth, burning more fuel, by the way, but even in a

00:05:08.700 marginal way, exacerbating what will be an oil crunch. Iran then starts firing on some ships.

00:05:15.000 Not good. The US then fires on an Iranian ship because an Iranian ship tried to make a run

00:05:20.100 through the US blockade. Not a good idea when you're facing the strongest military ever in the

00:05:24.740 history of the world. So the US fires on that ship. That Iranian ship is now in our possession.

00:05:29.600 not an ideal situation. And this gets back to something that I suggested last week, 1.00

00:05:37.600 and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it's where it is. And the fact is the United

00:05:42.860 States does not really have any good options right now in Iran. I was talking to a friend

00:05:48.000 of mine, actually, because I said, I think Trump is in a really tough spot. He's been in a tough

00:05:52.600 spot, by the way, for years. The United States has been in a tough spot for 47 years on Iran.

00:06:01.560 This was highlighted by the fact that last summer when Trump did the Fordow strikes,

00:06:07.860 I took a highly scientific Twitter poll, as I've mentioned. I said, how many people think the US

00:06:11.740 should let Iran get a nuclear weapon? 90% said no. I said, how many people think the US should

00:06:15.960 go to war with Iran? I'm trying to combine the two, the Iran-American pronunciation and the

00:06:21.700 kind of cosmopolitan Obama, Iran pronunciation, but Iran, I don't know. If there's a better

00:06:26.440 pronunciation, let me know. I said, do you think the United States should go to war? 90% also said

00:06:31.260 no. So Trump's in this impossible spot. People are giving me conflicting directives and doing

00:06:38.180 so overwhelmingly. Now we're in an even tougher spot. So a buddy of mine comes in on Friday. He

00:06:43.840 says, ha, Knowles, you were wrong. You said that we were in this really tough spot, but look,

00:06:48.840 The Strait of Hormuz is open, and you were wrong. This is fine. It all worked out. No big deal.

00:06:54.820 Moving on, moving on. And then about one hour later, he comes in. He says, okay, actually,

00:06:58.560 you're right. Never mind. The Strait's closed again. And it's Schrodinger's Strait. That is

00:07:02.640 to say that the Strait is potentially open in the theoretical realm, in this kind of cloud of

00:07:10.380 possibilities. The Strait is open. But then whenever you observe the Strait, whenever you

00:07:14.920 try to interact in any way with the Strait, the Strait closes again. It's Schrodinger's Strait.

00:07:18.840 So this means that we're in exactly the same position in Iran that we were last week, 0.79

00:07:23.540 which is we can either get a deal that probably will not be any good, or we can invade Iran. 0.78

00:07:31.340 That's it. Those are basically the two options. Now, President Trump is proposing a third option 0.90

00:07:35.940 right now, which he's going back to his threat to say, we're going to blow up bridges.

00:07:40.640 We're going to blow up your energy systems. We have a lot of tools at our disposal.

00:07:45.280 but even that is just incremental toward the larger point which is we're either going to get

00:07:50.960 much more heavily involved in this war potentially including ground troops or we're going to have to

00:07:57.220 take a deal that we're going to hate but those are basically the two options because this is

00:08:02.800 the problem with iran this is why it's been such a headache for us for 50 years iran has one foot

00:08:07.680 in the international order one foot outside of it it's sort of a legitimate country it's sort of a

00:08:13.600 terrorist organization, and they're just impossible to deal with. The war hawks are going to say,

00:08:18.900 yes, see, this underscores the point. We have to cut off the head of the snake. This nation 0.99

00:08:23.300 will not permit world peace or in any kind of world order. But then the foreign policy

00:08:31.820 restrainers, the people, I don't want to say isolationists because it's a term of derision,

00:08:36.660 the people who say we should not be so gung-ho about going to war in Iran,

00:08:41.560 they're going to come out and say, see, this was never going to work because of the regime,

00:08:47.680 because of their strategic location. Worth pointing out that even the disagreements

00:08:52.000 that we've seen reach all the way up to the level of the president and the pope

00:08:54.200 on whether or not to go to war in Iran, they're not really even ideological disagreements.

00:08:59.840 Everyone would acknowledge that there is a good reason to go to war in some cases,

00:09:05.120 when a war is just, for instance. But to determine whether or not a war is just, 0.61

00:09:09.080 you have to consider all sorts of criteria. One, has diplomacy been exhausted? Two,

00:09:15.100 is this a defensive measure? Three, proportionality are the goods to be achieved

00:09:19.720 proportional to the costs that will be incurred. Four, let's not forget, this is an important one,

00:09:24.680 is there a reasonable possibility of success? And what does success even look like in Iran?

00:09:29.240 Does success just look like bombing a few sites? Or does success look like regime change?

00:09:33.600 If it's the former, we can certainly do it. If it's the latter, probably we're not going to do

00:09:36.860 it because the Mullah's Islamic regime has lasted twice as long as the last time that the United

00:09:41.140 States installed a regime in Iran in 1953. That's the issue. So we remain in this same position

00:09:48.340 where the hostilities are at a minimum. We're boarding some ships and things like that. But

00:09:54.300 otherwise, the hostilities are at a minimum, but the situation is not yet resolved. A tale of 47

00:10:00.400 years. I do not envy the position that the president is in. Now, complicating that war,

00:10:06.280 Israel is dealing with Iranian proxies that are in Lebanon to the north,

00:10:12.160 and Israel has just really stepped in it again.

00:10:15.200 A IDF soldier has gone viral over the weekend for desecrating a crucifix, 1.00

00:10:21.660 and then with mind-boggling stupidity, taking a picture of himself doing it. 0.99

00:10:27.460 We'll get to that in a moment. 1.00

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00:11:46.560 Promo code Michael. So this IDF soldier goes viral. It's being promoted by an Arabic account,

00:11:54.300 Yunus Terawi, it says, an Israeli soldier smashing the head of a Jesus Christ statue,

00:11:59.880 not just a statue, but it's actually Christ on the crucifix that the soldier has taken down,

00:12:04.480 and he's smashing his head with a hammer during operations in southern Lebanon.

00:12:08.380 So this is absolutely horrifying, absolutely horrifying.

00:12:13.240 And initially, a lot of people said, well, this might be AI, this might be anti-Israel

00:12:18.140 propaganda. Don't believe everything you see on the internet. It's real. The IDF has acknowledged

00:12:23.740 that it's real. Bibi Netanyahu has acknowledged it's real. So the IDF comes out. It says,

00:12:29.700 following a completion of an initial examination regarding a photograph published today

00:12:32.980 of an IDF soldier harming a Christian symbol. I want to put a pause right here. This is not just

00:12:37.480 a Christian symbol. This is not just a picture of a fish. This is not just a Cairo. This is not,

00:12:45.100 This is a statue of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross on which Christ conquers death.

00:12:54.080 So I do not appreciate the IDF downplaying the significance of the symbol.

00:12:59.420 It's not just a symbol.

00:13:00.540 It is a visual representation of our Lord as he conquers death.

00:13:05.240 Goes on.

00:13:06.200 The IDF views the incident with great severity, okay, and emphasizes that the soldier's conduct

00:13:11.580 is wholly inconsistent with the values expected of his troops.

00:13:13.920 Good.

00:13:14.720 Yes.

00:13:15.100 I should hope so. The incident is being investigated by the Northern Command.

00:13:18.900 It's currently being addressed through the chain of command. Appropriate measures will

00:13:22.140 be taken against those involved in accordance with the findings. Furthermore, the IDF is working

00:13:26.380 to assist the community in restoring the statue to its place. Okay, good. It's going to be hard

00:13:30.440 to restore the statue when its head is smashed. But good, that's fine. I want to drill down

00:13:35.880 because the devil's in the details. Views the incident with great severity. Good.

00:13:40.540 The soldier's conduct is inconsistent with the values that are expected of him. Okay.

00:13:45.100 So what's going to happen? I don't want stern tweets. I want consequences. Netanyahu comes out,

00:13:52.200 tells you this is serious enough that the prime minister of Israel is coming out and addressing

00:13:58.700 it. Nobody should be downplaying this. Nobody should be dismissing the gravity of this situation.

00:14:04.640 This is significant enough that the prime minister himself is directly addressing it.

00:14:09.640 He says, as the Jewish state, Israel cherishes and upholds the Jewish values of tolerance and

00:14:15.120 mutual respect between Jews and worshipers of all faiths. All religions flourish in our land,

00:14:19.420 and we view members of all faiths as equals in building our society and region. 1.00

00:14:23.560 Yesterday, like the overwhelming majority of Israelis, I was stunned and saddened to learn

00:14:27.440 that an IDF soldier had damaged a Catholic religious icon in southern Lebanon.

00:14:31.660 Netanyahu's statement is a lot better than the IDF statement.

00:14:34.620 He's not using these mealy-mouthed words.

00:14:36.820 Oh, it was a symbol.

00:14:38.700 Oh, it's very severe.

00:14:41.400 Appropriate measures will be taken through the chain of command.

00:14:43.260 I don't want to hear that.

00:14:43.940 I want to hear what this guy has to say.

00:14:46.380 This is much better.

00:14:47.380 Stunned and saddened.

00:14:48.200 That should be the reaction.

00:14:49.920 An IDF soldier damaged an icon of Christ.

00:14:54.340 I condemn the act in the strongest terms. 0.69

00:14:56.080 Yes, much better than what the IDF said.

00:14:58.220 Military authorities are conducting a criminal probe of the matter.

00:15:01.560 Good.

00:15:02.260 Now we're talking.

00:15:03.380 I don't want to just hear, well, this was inappropriate.

00:15:05.400 It's inconsistent with our values, some measures.

00:15:07.920 I don't want to hear that.

00:15:08.780 I want a criminal probe.

00:15:09.960 This guy committed a crime, among other things.

00:15:14.020 They will take appropriately harsh disciplinary action against the offender, much better.

00:15:19.000 And then Netanyahu makes an important point. 1.00

00:15:21.500 While Christians are being slaughtered in Syria and Lebanon by Muslims, 0.97

00:15:24.680 the Christian population in Israel thrives, unlike anywhere else in the Middle East.

00:15:29.220 Israel is the only country in the region that the Christian population and standard of living is growing.

00:15:32.940 Israel is the only place in the Middle East that adheres to freedom of worship for all.

00:15:35.600 We express regret for this incident, for any hurt that this has caused to believers in Lebanon and around the world.

00:15:40.720 Okay, so the context that Netanyahu is adding here, which is a little bit to put the incident in context,

00:15:50.380 and obviously a little CYA for Israel here.

00:15:53.160 But the point is fair, and this actually came to my mind too, independent of Netanyahu's statement,

00:15:57.580 which is my mind went to Libya. That horrific incident 10 years ago or so now, when ISIS

00:16:04.320 was active in Libya and took 21 Coptic Christians captive and put them on the beach, got them on

00:16:12.020 their knees and slit their throats as they were martyrs saying, I believe in Jesus.

00:16:17.980 That is important context. Christians do not exactly thrive in Muslim lands. 1.00

00:16:22.500 Muslims deny the crucifixion deny the resurrection deny the incarnation I suppose we would say 1.00

00:16:29.880 because they deny the divinity of Christ they have a kind of fake Jesus that they pretend to 1.00

00:16:34.580 venerate but he's a Jesus who is not really Jesus it's a Jesus without his divinity it's a lie it's 0.99

00:16:41.800 a truly damnable heresy and they persecute Christians and they chop their heads off 0.99

00:16:45.280 So that is important context. It is, of course, better for if we had to pick one or the other, 0.98

00:16:53.800 it is better for an errant incident of some IDF soldier committing a sacrilege that does not 0.96

00:17:03.240 involve chopping actual Christians heads off, I guess. But both are very, very bad. And so, 0.97

00:17:08.720 well, I appreciate Netanyahu's context here. I appreciate his condemnations and calls for

00:17:15.460 criminal investigations more. This is really bad on three levels. One, it's sacrilege. Now,

00:17:24.420 non-Christians will not agree with that, but it is. It's sacrilege. This is an extremely offensive, 1.00

00:17:31.040 horrifying image coming out of the IDF. And it is wrong in itself for that, just as a matter of

00:17:36.220 justice. Two, it's a crime. The soldier has committed a crime. He has desecrated someone

00:17:44.760 else's property. He's looted somebody else's property. He's committed a real crime.

00:17:50.180 And then three, if those first two don't persuade you, this is a major political problem for the

00:17:56.600 state of Israel. And obviously, it's a major political problem. The prime minister is talking

00:17:59.580 about it. And we talked about this last week. There was this shocking poll. CNN reported on it.

00:18:06.640 It comes from Gallup. Support for the state of Israel in the United States has collapsed.

00:18:11.660 The left-wing Democrats, they gave up on the state of Israel a long time ago.

00:18:16.700 The left-wing Democrats, they've hated Israel for a long time. But even when you look at moderate

00:18:21.480 and non-liberal Democrats, which I don't even think really exist. Is that John Fetterman?

00:18:27.240 John Fetterman and Joe Manchin, maybe.

00:18:30.520 When you poll them, even among the moderate non-liberal Democrats,

00:18:35.960 Israel is now underwater. 0.62

00:18:37.780 So then Israel was counting on the right. 0.99

00:18:40.180 That was true for the last 15 years or so. 0.89

00:18:43.060 However, when you look even among Republicans, even among conservatives,

00:18:46.660 Israel is now underwater.

00:18:47.780 When you look at young Republicans, Israel is toast in public opinion.

00:18:52.020 So this is an existential political problem for the state of Israel.

00:18:55.360 The state of Israel cannot afford images like that going around.

00:18:58.000 So what should be done?

00:18:59.060 I think Netanyahu has taken a good first step here with this statement.

00:19:02.960 They need to throw the book at this guy.

00:19:05.360 This is very serious what this guy did.

00:19:07.620 They need to throw the book at him.

00:19:09.060 He needs to be court-martialed.

00:19:10.640 He needs to be prosecuted.

00:19:12.180 He needs to face jail time for this.

00:19:13.660 This is very, very serious.

00:19:16.060 That would go a long way toward addressing the chief offense, which is the sacrilege,

00:19:21.560 the secondary offense, which is the desecration and the property damage,

00:19:26.020 But as I say, if those first two don't convince you,

00:19:29.900 that would also go a long way toward addressing the political problem for the state of Israel itself. 1.00

00:19:36.540 Netanyahu is right.

00:19:37.880 This needs to be punished very harshly through criminal processes to serve all of these ends.

00:19:45.900 But it has to happen.

00:19:47.160 If this guy gets off with a slap on the wrist, it will be bad in every way that I can imagine.

00:19:53.720 now speaking of religious matters the pope has just weighed in on immigration and i know i know

00:20:02.420 people are going to say oh no the pope is talking about immigration again we're thinking of the

00:20:06.180 the francis pontificate with really a lot of modern church weighing in on social policies

00:20:12.780 to say oh no here we go i know the catholic church it just wants open borders wants to

00:20:17.820 flood western countries with migrants from the third world here we go again here we go again

00:20:22.780 And what does this Pope have to say about immigration? 0.96

00:20:26.460 Dear students of Cameroon, in the face of this crisis, there's an understandable 0.98

00:20:35.180 tendency to want to emigrate, which can lead us to believe that we'll easily find a better

00:20:42.580 future elsewhere.

00:20:44.380 I invite you, above all, to take up with an ardent desire to serve your country and to

00:20:51.620 put the knowledge you're acquiring here to work for your fellow citizens.

00:21:00.200 Love this, love this statement, because it says what I've said for a long time, which is

00:21:06.020 the Pope is being unfairly maligned as some hippie, left-wing, commie, open borders.

00:21:15.140 And I've observed from the beginning, you can disagree with the Pope's views on immigration,

00:21:18.680 but the Pope has a relatively moderate view on immigration. The Pope has already come out,

00:21:23.220 not that one really sees this video much because it doesn't serve propaganda purposes.

00:21:27.400 The Pope has already come out and said, of course, nations have the right to borders.

00:21:30.040 Of course, nations have the right to determine who's a citizen, who's not a citizen.

00:21:33.360 And in this case, he's speaking to people from Cameroon saying, hey, don't go to the West.

00:21:39.100 Do not immigrate there. That would be wrong for you to do that by and large because you need to 0.94

00:21:44.840 help your own communities. You need to stay where you are and help your own communities.

00:21:50.200 Are we going to see that video going viral? No, not really, because it doesn't serve

00:21:55.700 propaganda purposes. But it's very, very important. The Pope is not open borders.

00:22:03.020 The Pope is not a pacifist in the sense of opposing all war per se. That's not within

00:22:09.260 the Christian tradition. I've even observed that, I said this at the speech at the Pope's

00:22:14.480 alma mater the other day. I said, you know, the irony of people, especially in the American right,

00:22:19.460 a small number, criticizing the Pope as being left wing is that the Pope is more right wing

00:22:25.700 than any American politician. This is just what happens when you're the sovereign supreme pontiff

00:22:33.680 of the only institution in the West that has existed since antiquity.

00:22:38.460 When it comes to the social issues, abortion, the Pope is much more right-wing than American

00:22:45.220 politician. When it comes to marriage, when it comes to gender ideology, when it comes to

00:22:51.140 contraception, when it comes to family and divorce, when it comes to the relationship

00:22:57.320 between the citizen and the moral order, the obligations that the citizen has to uphold the

00:23:02.020 moral order, contrary to the desires of individual autonomy. There is no more right-wing figure

00:23:09.720 just about any way you slice it than the Pope. Now, of course, the Pope can make prudential

00:23:15.820 political claims that you don't really need to agree to it with, even if you're Catholic.

00:23:21.160 But let's at least figure out what the Pope is actually saying. He's not saying, hey,

00:23:25.140 third world, go flood the West. Hey, Westerners, you can't have borders. You can't determine who

00:23:29.540 your citizens are. He's simply not saying that. So I have observed that this tiff that took place

00:23:37.900 that now happily is waning between the president and the pope, a lot of it is illusory. A lot of

00:23:44.660 it is based on false understandings of what these people actually believe. Same thing with Trump.

00:23:49.200 When people are saying Trump is a warmonger, he's bloodthirsty. Look at what Trump is saying

00:23:54.320 about the Iran war. He's saying this war is just. This war is defensive. We have a reasonable

00:24:00.080 chance of success. This war is proportional. This war is to protect innocence. You might 0.81

00:24:04.900 disagree with his judgments about the facts in that case. But the fact of the debate is

00:24:10.480 both of these men are making arguments from shared premises on the justice of war,

00:24:17.720 on the need to protect innocents. There's a lot more in common here than some would have us

00:24:24.300 believe. And the political point I've observed is the only people who benefit from a fight between

00:24:31.460 the president and the Pope are the leftists, the forces who oppose America and the church,

00:24:37.660 who want us to be all divided. Because Trump won more of the Catholic vote, more consistency

00:24:43.320 than any Republican ever. The left realizes this is a major threat to their political program.

00:24:49.620 The left realizes that Catholicism is in fact on the rise, both because of migration and because

00:24:54.360 of adult converts in the United States. And they really want to create a division here. They will

00:24:59.100 not allow a Republican to win the Catholic vote three times in a row. So we need to be clear on

00:25:05.140 the facts and we need to be clear on the political op and program that's taking place here. The Pope

00:25:11.000 actually addressed the president directly in his remarks. Are they going to be throwing shade?

00:25:17.100 Are we going to get some tea here? I've got some iced tea in my mug. Are we talking tea,

00:25:21.500 herbal or verbal? We'll get to what the Pope had to say about the president first, though.

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00:28:15.360 The Pope is asked about this little tiff that flared up with the president.

00:28:19.680 Here's his take.

00:28:20.260 there's been a certain narrative that has not been accurate in all of its aspects but because

00:28:28.300 of the political situation created when on the first day of the trip the president united states

00:28:34.940 made some comments about myself much of what has been written since then has been more commentary

00:28:41.560 on commentary trying to interpret what has been said um just one little example the the talk that

00:28:49.440 i gave at the prayer meeting for peace a couple days ago was prepared two weeks ago well before

00:28:57.620 the president ever commented on myself and on the message of peace that i am promoting

00:29:03.840 and yet as it happens it was looked at as if i was trying to debate again the president

00:29:10.620 which is not in my interest at all and i i love that phrase there at the end

00:29:16.440 He says, this is not in my interest at all, because that has two meanings.

00:29:20.000 One, I think he's literally saying, I'm not interested in debating the president.

00:29:23.540 But there is this deeper meaning, which is, this is not in our interest.

00:29:28.520 We don't want the president and the pope at loggerheads.

00:29:31.620 The secular ruler and the religious authority, there's been a tension there forever.

00:29:37.540 But we want to keep that tension at bay.

00:29:39.240 We want to make sure that both people are pointed in the same direction.

00:29:42.480 He says, look, guys, there's this debate going on, but it's all commentary and commentary and

00:29:45.940 commentary that mistakes even the most basic facts, even the facts of when I said something.

00:29:52.440 I can't be responding to something the president said if my comments were made before the president

00:29:56.480 said it. Having a debate with the president is not in my interest. I love it. President Trump

00:30:02.920 has adjusted his tone on the pope. He said he had that comment last week. He says, look,

00:30:08.340 The Pope can say what he wants.

00:30:10.380 I want him to say what he wants, but I can disagree, and I think he's a great guy.

00:30:16.640 Love that.

00:30:17.500 Love that.

00:30:17.880 This is the way that we should be talking about it.

00:30:21.520 The only group that wins a fight between the president and the Pope is the left.

00:30:24.740 Look at Ed Markey, Democrat Senator Ed Markey.

00:30:27.120 He posts a few days ago.

00:30:28.760 What is that?

00:30:29.060 This is April 16th, before the Pope's clarification.

00:30:32.100 He goes, to be clear, I'm on Team Pope.

00:30:35.940 I hate my president.

00:30:37.940 I'm on Team Pope.

00:30:40.600 But then you have the Pope.

00:30:41.580 He's saying, I'm not in a fight with the president.

00:30:42.900 I don't want to be in a debate with the president.

00:30:44.480 To be clear, I'm on Team Pope.

00:30:46.420 Are you?

00:30:47.500 Let me just take a little look at Ed Markey here, his own posts on X.

00:30:50.780 Here's Ed Markey wearing a suit with a gigantic lapel pin.

00:30:55.880 It's so big it doesn't fit on his lapel.

00:30:57.440 He's got to put it on his pocket.

00:30:58.600 And it just says abortion.

00:31:00.220 And instead of an O, there's a little heart.

00:31:03.940 I'm on Team Pope.

00:31:05.160 are you? I don't think you are, because abortion is a non-negotiable political issue. 0.96

00:31:10.700 And you are not in a state of grace if you are a Catholic politician who supports the slaughter

00:31:16.460 of infants. I'm on team. No, you're not on team Pope. You hate the church. You hate the church's 0.99

00:31:23.900 teachings. You hate the president. And you're pretending to side with one man over the other

00:31:29.100 to create division and problems for both of them. Don't give into it. Don't give in. It's a total

00:31:35.140 lop. Speaking of the gospel, marvelous testimony from Artemis II commander, Reed Wiseman.

00:31:42.920 He is a little nomen est omen here. Reed Wiseman explaining how he processed going around the moon

00:31:52.300 when he landed. When I got back on the ship, I'm not really a religious person, but there was just

00:32:01.780 no other avenue for me to to explain anything or to experience anything so i asked for the

00:32:06.620 chaplain on the navy ship to just come visit us for a minute and when that man walked in i'd never

00:32:11.320 met him before in my life but i saw the cross on his on his collar and i just i broke down in tears

00:32:15.880 like that it's very hard to fully grasp what we just went through this statement could not be more

00:32:23.940 perfect if you scripted it now you think it could be more perfect because you say well he says he's

00:32:29.660 not really religious. And he should be religious. And yeah, yeah, but this gives even greater glory

00:32:33.420 to God. This is even a greater testament to religion. Because he says, look, I'm not a

00:32:38.220 religious person. If he were going to daily mass, if he were reading his Bible every single day,

00:32:44.240 and he said, and when I landed, I saw the cross and this sign, talk about the importance of

00:32:50.000 symbols, specifically the symbol of the crucifix. If he were really religious, you'd say, yeah,

00:32:55.860 well, he already had it kind of pre-programmed into his head that this was significant. That's

00:32:58.780 why he broke into tears. But the thing is, he's not that religious. And he got a more cosmic view

00:33:05.480 than anyone has ever had. He was further away from the earth than anyone has ever been.

00:33:13.140 And when he got back, despite not really being religious, he had this urge, this impulse,

00:33:19.560 some would say a natural religious longing or a God-shaped hole in his heart to go to the chapel.

00:33:24.940 And what does he see?

00:33:25.700 It's not just that he saw some picture, some random symbol.

00:33:28.060 He sees the symbol.

00:33:30.460 He sees the symbol of the God who is beyond time and space,

00:33:34.880 who takes on flesh and dwells among us and suffers for us,

00:33:38.500 dies for our sins and conquers death on the cross.

00:33:40.340 He sees that and he breaks into tears.

00:33:43.420 This man who has greater scientific technological training

00:33:49.460 than anybody, comes back and he sees this very simple image that is the most profound image

00:33:57.900 that there ever could be. And he breaks into tears and he realizes that's what it's all about.

00:34:04.440 At the end of our journey, we come back home and we see our place for the first time.

00:34:09.760 The most important conclusion that one can have from this trip around the moon is not that that

00:34:14.020 crater is actually there instead of there. It's not that the composition of the moon is such that

00:34:20.040 we can put a base in this position rather than that position. The most important conclusion one

00:34:26.480 has is this is what it all means. This is how we bring it all together. And what is the crux of

00:34:34.080 that? Pun intended. It's the crucifix, which is why, getting back to the story at the top of the

00:34:39.400 show. It's why religious symbols really matter. There are going to be a lot of people who write

00:34:44.500 off this unfortunate incident with this dummy IDF soldier in Lebanon. They're going to write

00:34:50.560 it off and say, oh, it's not that big a deal. It's just, look, it's a religious image. It's

00:34:54.020 unfortunate. I know it's offensive. But come on, guys, let's talk about real stuff. Let's talk

00:34:57.480 about practical stuff like bombs and guns and territory. You're missing it. That is part of

00:35:03.040 the foolishness of the cynic. The cynics mistake what really matters. So they think that all that 0.99

00:35:08.760 matters is matter. They think all that matters is material, real, practical, tangible assets.

00:35:15.740 But ultimately, that cannot be what ultimately matters because we die, because we have a sense

00:35:25.000 that we are spirit as well as matter, because everything that really inspires us and impels

00:35:30.920 us to action in the world is not matter. It is what the matter symbolizes, what it signifies.

00:35:37.060 St. Thomas Aquinas writes this at the very beginning of the Summa Theologiae.

00:35:40.780 He says, when we read books, when we write books, the words and the symbols, they have a meaning.

00:35:46.520 But because God is the author of creation, things, things themselves have meaning too.

00:35:53.860 And having a more cosmic view, I can't say a 30,000 foot view, I'd say a 30 gazillion foot view

00:35:59.000 of things, of matter. This wise man realizes that ultimately what matters is that particular image,

00:36:12.040 that man who is God on that cross. Okay. Speaking of outer space, President Trump has just promised

00:36:19.860 a major disclosure of UFOs at TPUSA. We'll get to that major disclosure. All the alien people,

00:36:27.360 My friend, Matt Walsh, I'm sure is giddy. 1.00

00:36:31.120 He's probably skipping on the way to work today.

00:36:33.160 Ah, see, Trump says that I'm right.

00:36:35.860 Ah, the aliens are real.

00:36:37.140 We're going to get a big disclosure.

00:36:38.360 We're living in the age of disclosure, say the UFO people.

00:36:42.720 That's not my read on what Trump actually said.

00:36:45.860 Folks, I want to talk to you.

00:36:47.700 I want to talk to you.

00:36:49.900 I want, I want to, I don't mean that like the principal's office.

00:36:52.520 I want to talk to you.

00:36:53.060 want to get your ideas and we can chat in the member of segmentum after the show, not available

00:36:58.480 to the hoi ploy in all access through the mailbag. But the only way to do that is at dailywire.com

00:37:04.280 slash subscribe. You have to become a member now. Dailywire.com slash subscribe. I look forward to

00:37:09.740 hearing from you soon. I did not pick a comment today. I left it to the producers. Let's see what

00:37:15.560 they picked. They picked from 60 in six. San Francisco gay men's chorus. We are coming for

00:37:21.960 your children. They weren't joking. Oh, yeah. Didn't they say that once? I remember. That was

00:37:26.660 years ago. You're talking about that horrifically viral video. Talk about nomen est omen. You have

00:37:32.500 this commander here, wise man, who's saying, you know, after traveling around the moon,

00:37:36.920 I realized what really matters is the cross. And then I found this out. It's so bawdy. I didn't

00:37:44.480 even want to mention it on the show. But it's a fact. It's real. And it gets to this idea,

00:37:49.040 nominist omen, nominative determinism, comes from the ancient playwright Plautus in his

00:37:54.740 play Persa about the Persians. The Persians who really matter here because we're in a war against

00:37:59.600 the Persians talk about providence. It's the idea that names have significance. The gay guy who 0.96

00:38:06.660 mocked this child whom he intentionally deprived of a mother said, no more mama. There's no more 1.00

00:38:12.120 mama here, haha, the child starts crying. His name is apparently McAnally. I don't even want

00:38:21.220 to say it. Is it pronounced McAnally? I don't know. M, lowercase C, capital A, N-A-L-L-Y.

00:38:29.980 Nominative determinism that would have gotten one of Plautus's very plays rejected. Okay.

00:38:35.160 Speaking of the outer space and the aliens, President Trump just appeared at a TPUSA event.

00:38:41.080 Matt and I are going to be doing a TPSA event coming up soon over in Idaho.

00:38:44.600 So keep an eye out for that.

00:38:45.420 Go to the TPSA website.

00:38:46.320 You can see when it is because I don't remember when it is.

00:38:48.260 President Trump hitting one of these events.

00:38:50.400 He says we're getting UFO disclosure.

00:38:53.240 Or does he?

00:38:55.420 As you remember, I recently directed the Secretary of War.

00:38:58.960 How good is Pete Hegseth doing, by the way?

00:39:01.680 to begin releasing government files

00:39:08.880 relating to UFOs

00:39:10.360 and unexplained aerial phenomena.

00:39:14.740 And I figured this was a good crowd

00:39:16.360 because I know you people,

00:39:17.580 you're really into that.

00:39:18.700 I don't know if I am.

00:39:20.520 So I'm pleased to report today.

00:39:22.740 I thought I'd save it for this crowd

00:39:24.260 because you're a little bit out there,

00:39:26.240 you know, a little bit.

00:39:28.500 That this process is well underway

00:39:30.620 and we found many very interesting documents, I must say.

00:39:34.840 And the first releases will begin very, very soon.

00:39:37.620 So you can go out and see if that phenomena is correct.

00:39:40.560 You'll figure it out.

00:39:41.320 Let me know.

00:39:42.300 Let me know.

00:39:43.860 Okay, so they said, this is it.

00:39:45.060 We're getting disclosure.

00:39:46.320 We've wanted UFO disclosure forever.

00:39:48.320 This is it.

00:39:48.740 We're going to find out the aliens are here.

00:39:51.580 Did you hear what President Trump just said?

00:39:53.600 He's at TPUSA.

00:39:54.620 He goes, look, you guys, I hear you're a little bit out there, aren't you?

00:39:57.920 So we're going to get UFO disclosure.

00:39:59.780 interesting stuff. We're going to get it. I don't know why, because you people really want it.

00:40:05.280 You're a little weird, aren't you? Well, hey, there's going to be interesting stuff. Let me

00:40:08.140 know what you find. He's making fun of the UFO disclosure. He's making fun of the, there are

00:40:15.700 UFOs. There's no question about that. There are unidentified flying objects. Maybe it's China.

00:40:21.520 Maybe it's our own tech. Maybe it's an hallucination. Maybe it's something, you know, 0.95

00:40:27.240 in heaven and earth that is beyond our philosophy, Horatio. But whatever it is, guys, I don't think

00:40:34.220 we're getting info on E.T. If we knew that E.T. showed up from planet Zebulon 7, or even if we

00:40:44.900 knew a more plausible explanation that demons are taking on some kind of physical appearance

00:40:51.200 in order to deceive us.

00:40:54.320 If that's what we had in the files,

00:40:57.200 would Trump be making fun of this?

00:41:00.240 I don't know.

00:41:00.980 I don't really buy that.

00:41:02.640 I suspect that the answer

00:41:05.000 is probably a little bit more mundane.

00:41:08.120 But who knows?

00:41:08.860 All right.

00:41:09.040 I mean, I think I was wrong once

00:41:13.640 at some point in my life.

00:41:14.700 I may have been slightly wrong

00:41:15.840 or misunderstood at least.

00:41:16.860 So who knows?

00:41:17.440 Maybe I'm wrong on E.T.,

00:41:18.420 but President Trump making me think

00:41:20.620 I'm going to win the alien debate. Okay. Speaking of TPUSA, I'm not hearing too much about this,

00:41:28.200 which is crazy because to me, this is a bombshell story. But Charlie Kirk's alleged

00:41:32.840 assassin, Tyler Robinson, was in court on Friday. I was watching the hearing,

00:41:38.000 a pretty long hearing. And this was the evidentiary hearing. So people are really

00:41:44.860 misunderstanding what this was. People think this is the trial or something.

00:41:49.540 This isn't even the preliminary hearing.

00:41:51.380 This is the evidentiary hearing.

00:41:53.020 And I know that's kind of weird because you think the preliminary hearing would be the first thing that happens.

00:41:56.820 It's preliminary after all.

00:41:57.920 But the preliminary preliminary hearing is the evidentiary hearing.

00:42:01.620 The evidentiary hearing, which is not where the lawyers show all of their evidence.

00:42:08.400 Some people seem to be misinterpreting that.

00:42:10.360 They think the point of an evidentiary hearing is to show all of the evidence that you have.

00:42:13.360 The point of an evidentiary hearing is to say what evidence you have, to discuss in broad

00:42:20.520 terms the evidence you have, so that you can get to the preliminary hearing, so that eventually

00:42:25.240 you can finally get to the trial and convict the killer. And the evidence that the state has

00:42:30.680 against Tyler Robinson is even more overwhelming than I think a lot of people previously thought.

00:42:36.160 Here is the lawyer for the state. He then leaves the campus. UVU surveillance then

00:42:41.880 captures him return later. He returns on foot right before the Charlie Kirk event. He's wearing

00:42:47.380 a disguise of sorts. He's wearing a baseball cap, different baseball cap pulled low. He's got

00:42:52.260 sunglasses on, a different shirt, different pants, but the same converse shoes. That's all seen in

00:42:57.760 the surveillance. He's limping because there's a rifle down his pants. The surveillance captures

00:43:04.300 this individual. Again, I don't want to overstate the evidence because the pictures of his face at

00:43:10.400 this time are not as definitive as they were earlier because of the sunglasses and the hat.

00:43:14.940 But it captures his face, captures his appearance, his height, his build,

00:43:18.960 all consistent with how he looks earlier in the day and how he looks today in court.

00:43:23.060 But he makes his way to the rooftop, makes his way to the snipers perched on the rooftop,

00:43:30.200 takes the shot and then runs to the northeast, drops off the building and runs

00:43:34.040 to the northeast of campus into a wooded area. That's all captured on video.

00:43:40.400 that's all captured on video. Initially, even I thought that they only had little snippets,

00:43:45.500 a picture here, a short little video here of allegedly Tyler Robinson killing Charlie Kirk,

00:43:51.320 running away, but that we couldn't piece it all together. The state is saying, no, no, no,

00:43:54.760 it's all on video. We have it all on video. Beyond that, they have Robinson's fingerprints,

00:44:02.640 allegedly. I have to say allegedly because he's not convicted yet.

00:44:05.040 they have Tyler Robinson's fingerprints on the rifle, the rifle which is tied to Robinson's

00:44:11.800 family. We have the involvement of the family in turning Robinson in. We have a handwritten note

00:44:18.880 from Robinson confessing to the crime. We have furthermore text messages confessing to the crime.

00:44:25.060 We then have Robinson orally confessing to the crime, all allegedly.

00:44:28.820 the state has a lot of evidence more so than even i thought and i i was following it decently

00:44:38.180 closely so what is robinson's lawyer trying to do now two things robinson has not entered a plea yet

00:44:46.340 which is not unusual but he hasn't said guilty or not guilty robinson's lawyer is trying to do two

00:44:52.320 things. One, he's trying to delay. He's saying, oh, we need another four months. We need another

00:44:59.600 six months. I want to examine all of the evidence even before the preliminary hearing, which is

00:45:03.700 totally crazy. You don't need to do that. This isn't the trial. We're not days away from a

00:45:09.860 conviction here. We're just trying to set the preliminary hearing so that we can start this

00:45:14.140 process. And the lawyer for Robinson says, no, no, we need much more time. We need another six

00:45:18.120 months, which is not going to fly because the victims have a right to a speedy trial

00:45:25.680 of the accused perpetrators. He's saying, all I want to do, I just want to push it off six more

00:45:30.600 months, 12 more months, 10 more years, just push it off, push it off. And then the other thing that

00:45:35.060 the lawyer, the defense for Robinson is asking for is no cameras in the courtroom. And to me,

00:45:40.760 this really tells the story too, because the evidence, as we learned on Friday, the evidence

00:45:47.680 against Robinson is even worse than we previously thought it was. If the defense attorney thought

00:45:54.240 that the evidence were really weak, if the defense attorney thought that the media were all in on

00:46:01.920 going after Tyler Robinson, then surely Robinson's lawyer would want there to be cameras in the

00:46:09.580 classroom so that Robinson's defenders could show all of the inconsistencies, could show the

00:46:16.200 weakness of the evidence. But all available evidence for us points to the fact that the

00:46:22.960 state has a brutal case against Robinson. And the best thing Robinson can do is delay and delay and

00:46:28.580 delay, which is a terrible thing at a personal level because Charlie was a friend of mine.

00:46:34.560 And for millions and millions of people who never met him personally, and he was so good at politics,

00:46:41.220 he actually met many, many people personally. But for millions and millions of people,

00:46:45.160 They felt like they were friends with Charlie.

00:46:47.560 They knew that Charlie cared about them, and they want justice for his family, and they want justice for his killer.

00:46:53.240 They want his killer to face consequences.

00:46:55.700 So as a matter of justice in itself, you want the trial to be speedy, but then also as a practical matter. 0.98

00:47:03.600 The left wants to kill us.

00:47:05.200 this was the most shocking takeaway in the aftermath of the assassination of Charlie Kirk

00:47:10.420 is how many mainstream Democrats excuse that, justify that, celebrate that.

00:47:17.860 Charlie Kirk, who was as moderate a Republican as it gets, as moderate a young Republican as it gets,

00:47:26.120 not a provocateur, not an extremist, not a radical ideologue, quite the opposite.

00:47:32.280 it. He was Mr. Mainstream. And the left one, the left did kill him. And then the mainstream left

00:47:38.960 justified killing him. And one of the distressing conclusions practically for a lot of people is,

00:47:44.420 man, if they would kill Charlie Kirk, they'd definitely kill me. My views are a lot more

00:47:47.340 radical than Charlie's were. If that lady who sits next to me at work is justifying Charlie's 0.98

00:47:53.540 killing on Facebook, what would she do to me? And politics takes place in time and space. 1.00

00:48:00.600 there are consequences. There's an election coming up, a midterm election followed by

00:48:04.220 presidential election. If these people get power back, what are they going to do with it?

00:48:09.100 Another reason we need a speedy trial. Okay. So much more I want to get to. Idaho has just made

00:48:14.780 the firing squad the primary option for executions. And I think that's just brilliant. 0.69

00:48:18.920 We'll get to that, I don't know, I guess tomorrow because today's Music Monday,

00:48:22.740 Coachella edition. The rest of the show continues now. I want to get, maybe I'll get, you know what,

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The Michael Knowles Show - April 20, 2026

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