The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1966 - BILLIONS STOLEN： Foreigners In Ohio EXPOSED In Welfare Fraud Scam

00:00:00.000 An explosive new investigation reveals that foreigners in Ohio are bilking taxpayers 0.93

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00:02:32.800 We have to thank The Daily Wire's very own Luke Rosiak, our intrepid investigative reporter. 1.00

00:02:39.900 For months now, we have been talking about fraud, specifically fraud by foreigners and migrants 0.85

00:02:45.980 in places like Minnesota, in places like California. There's been some excellent 1.00

00:02:51.000 reporting from guys like Nick Shirley, guys like Chris Rufo, some others as well.

00:02:56.440 As this momentum is building a really, really important campaign issue and just an important

00:03:01.460 issue of justice and economics, Daily Wire's very own Luke Rosiak uncovers billions of dollars in

00:03:09.500 fraud, not involving daycares exactly or some of the issues we saw in Minnesota. In this case,

00:03:15.200 we're talking about Medicaid fraud, where your taxpayer dollars are going to pay foreigners

00:03:21.700 to stay home and hang out with their family. Mr. Rosiak, thank you, one, for coming on the show,

00:03:28.480 and two, for this crazy report. Thanks for having me, Michael.

00:03:33.840 So it's hard to keep up. You know, one day it's the Somalis, then it's the Venezuelans, 1.00

00:03:39.760 then one day it's Minnesota, then it's California. One day it's daycare centers,

00:03:44.080 then it's learning centers, then it's hard to keep up. What specifically have you uncovered

00:03:50.660 who is perpetrating it and what is the scale? So what I want to focus on with this story is

00:03:57.680 Medicaid waivers. And that was really at the root of why we keep seeing Minnesota in the news is

00:04:02.900 they got these special waivers to do stuff that Medicaid was never intended to do. And a lot of

00:04:09.300 times they don't really care if the money is wasted because Medicaid is like 70% federal money,

00:04:14.720 but the states get to manage it. And so a lot of these Tim Walz programs, not the daycares,

00:04:19.540 but pretty much everything else was Medicaid waivers. Now, Doge deserves a lot of credit for

00:04:26.800 releasing this database that actually shows what Medicaid is spent on. And this is something that

00:04:32.680 I've been interested in for decades, and we never had any insight into how it was spent.

00:04:37.560 And there was no reason for that because we're not looking at the medical records of people.

00:04:42.060 What they released is the corporations that are getting paid by Medicaid.

00:04:46.060 And that's the real welfare queens here is these companies that get paid.

00:04:51.040 Basically, what happens is you get paid to hang out with your own family members.

00:04:55.980 And sitting in the middle is this company that will bill Medicaid and then pay you as an employee.

00:05:01.680 So what we're talking about is Ohio has Medicaid waivers, just like Minnesota does. 0.73

00:05:06.480 And they spend a billion dollars a year paying people, almost all of which are foreigners, it seems to me, to hang out with their own family and provide what they call companionship and conversation.

00:05:17.540 Or sometimes you'll cook or you'll clean or you'll do the things that families do for one another. 0.88

00:05:23.300 But this is what, you know, basically immigrants from Somalia have figured out is that the United States will actually pay you to hang out with your own family. 0.84

00:05:32.400 And until recently, we had no idea that this was even occurring.

00:05:35.800 But now it's all documented in black and white in this data, just showing billions and billions of dollars of it. 1.00

00:05:42.360 The Somalis keep coming up. 0.60

00:05:44.400 And a lot of people are very angry at the Somalis for bilking taxpayers of billions and billions of dollars. 1.00

00:05:50.280 I kind of respect it. 1.00

00:05:51.980 You know, these guys who are from the most infamous pirate country in the world show up here and they say, man, these Americans are really dumb. 1.00

00:05:59.680 Let's just let's just take them for all they're worth. 0.99

00:06:02.400 It's a little bit of a game-recognized game kind of thing, but you got to give them credit because the Medicaid issue is one that drives me nuts.

00:06:09.220 You hear the Democrats all the time say, illegal aliens can't receive federal welfare dollars or, you know, this is an imaginary problem.

00:06:16.680 But to your point, Luke, yeah, the money is coming from the federal government, that is from American taxpayers around the country, but the states are managing a lot of these programs, and so the opportunity for fraud is crazy.

00:06:28.960 What's especially wild about your report, though, is that Minnesota, Democrat is all get out.

00:06:35.700 The one state that voted for Mondale in the Reagan 84 landslide.

00:06:38.940 California, yeah, we expect this out of California.

00:06:41.760 Ohio is a Republican state.

00:06:43.680 In many ways, this is very fitting because the vice president, J.D. Vance, has been tasked with leading the efforts against fraud.

00:06:50.660 So it's very, very fitting that in the vice president's own home state, this is where the first big push is really coming to the fore. Wonderful that Doge has provided these databases. And look, it sounds like nice work if you can get it. You talk to your wife at home for a little bit and you bilk the federal government for it. But give me some numbers here. And then furthermore, what can be done to fix it?

00:07:13.640 sure so yeah i mean first of all i spent a lot of time researching all these individuals i went

00:07:19.800 to columbus and i talked to them and they do i mean they they manipulate you they said you know

00:07:24.020 i'm going to tell everybody you're racist if if you ask me these questions i mean they're very

00:07:27.740 upfront about it it's just like that's the strategy um but you know there's a democrat

00:07:32.380 politician who just kind of on the side was founded this home health care business that

00:07:37.520 got 11 million dollars there's a woman who was a janitor and she changed the name of her janitorial 0.92

00:07:43.320 company to health. And she got $100,000 the next month from Medicaid. There's a landlord that's

00:07:50.340 buying private planes and sports cars for himself because he's renting office space to hundreds of

00:07:57.440 different home health care firms. I talked to a couple that they all have a litany of fraud and

00:08:04.020 violence and theft convictions. They got a million dollars. Everybody in the Somali community in

00:08:09.840 Columbus, Ohio has a Medicaid LLC. And then oftentimes they've got other businesses on the

00:08:15.200 side. So I kind of, to your point, it's good work if you can get it. I mean, not only are you getting

00:08:19.460 a million dollars, you can just do other stuff too. It's just a side, it's a side gig. Um,

00:08:25.180 you know, there's an accountant who lost his license for stealing public funds and then

00:08:29.540 opened a $7 million home healthcare company using the address of a convicted money launderer's

00:08:35.260 teenage son i mean it's just kind of absurd colorful stuff and this is happening to your

00:08:40.660 point in a republican state and if you know if it's happening in ohio one can only imagine how

00:08:46.320 bad it is in other states um and and so i think at the core of this is this idea that um home

00:08:53.340 health care and then they take it even further and they call it personal services which is just

00:08:57.540 like your personal butler and it's they don't even pretend it has to do with health um we're 0.84

00:09:03.540 giving taxpayer funded butlers to Somalian refugees. And I don't really understand how they 1.00

00:09:09.720 can claim their life was so hard over there. But now they just need to have their own butler. They

00:09:15.200 need to have $10 million a year. And they're not going to pay taxes on the revenue for their home

00:09:20.640 healthcare businesses. They usually have oftentimes tax delinquencies. But the easiest thing that the

00:09:27.180 Trump administration can do here and that J.D. Vance can do in his own state is terminate the

00:09:32.380 home health care waivers. And it's kind of unfortunate that maybe the real granny that 1.00

00:09:38.200 might want somebody to make her a bowl of soup once a day, that maybe she may not be able to 1.00

00:09:45.360 get that taxpayer funded anymore. But I think this is unfortunately the cost of mass immigration. 0.91

00:09:50.860 And this is what happened to Minnesota is they had generous taxpayer funded social safety net.

00:09:56.180 And that was something that Americans could disagree, whether that's a good thing or a bad

00:09:59.680 thing. But when you interject mass immigration from a low trust society into the mix, it's not 0.76

00:10:05.500 an option. It's not a debate. We can't have programs where fraud is impossible to prove 0.67

00:10:10.980 because we will go bankrupt. This is the part that actually complicates the story for me

00:10:15.720 because the fraud is just so brazen. It's outrageous. I kind of want to digress and ask

00:10:21.660 you just hypothetically how a podcasting cigar salesman might be able to spin up one of these

00:10:27.640 LLCs just in case. I've wanted a butler since I was like four years old. So maybe we can talk

00:10:32.400 about that after the show. But the part that complicates the story for me is I actually,

00:10:39.020 given our welfare state, I like the idea that family members can avail themselves of these

00:10:45.260 healthcare resources to take care of granny. In other words, right now you can get federal 0.72

00:10:50.580 healthcare dollars to send some Jamaican criminal to show up to your granny's house and rob her and 0.99

00:10:56.780 abuse her. But you you can't be reimbursed for taking time off work to care for your grandmother 0.97

00:11:02.620 yourself. And so I consider that to be unjust. And I actually would like our I would like our

00:11:08.340 families to be more intact, our political economy to be such that you don't need to go to Uncle Sam

00:11:13.300 to take care of your grandmother. But such as it is, I actually like the idea that families can

00:11:19.320 be incentivized to care for one another rather than farming out to the free market of, as you 1.00

00:11:24.100 point out, the mass migrants who come here who are unassimilable and who probably don't like 0.99

00:11:28.980 your granny that much. So it's actually a much thornier question. I guess my ideal solution 1.00

00:11:35.000 would be get rid of the mass migration, and you don't really need to worry about this quite as 0.94

00:11:39.480 much, or at the very least, assimilate the people who are allowed to stay. But is there any appetite 0.62

00:11:46.660 for that? This is much, much harder, actually. You're kind of bringing me down here a little

00:11:52.180 bit, Luke, because. Gosh, people, people. I don't think there is like a simple solution for this

00:12:00.800 exactly other than perhaps mass deportations. Yeah, I think that when so I spent a lot of time

00:12:08.620 in Columbus talking and visiting hundreds of these places, it's extremely, extremely

00:12:13.500 there are extremely blatant red flags of fraud. I think a lot of these people are not really

00:12:20.320 going to the, some of them are getting paid to be with their own family. Others purport to have a

00:12:25.660 variety of clients that they drive to. I think it's oftentimes unlikely they're actually driving

00:12:30.440 there. But that's hard to prove because you don't know the addresses of the patients. You don't have

00:12:36.260 little old ladies under surveillance. And so I think the issue is I'm very reticent to have a 0.96

00:12:41.200 federal program where if it is defrauded, that would be impossible to prove. And so you have

00:12:47.220 some cases where it seems abusive that we're paying somebody to hang out with their family,

00:12:52.520 but that's really a policy question. And it's, in my opinion, a waste of money,

00:12:56.480 but it's actually not fraudulent at all. In other cases, I think 100% many of these Somalis are

00:13:02.020 defrauding with fake LLCs, services they're never really rendering, but it's very difficult to prove. 1.00

00:13:07.880 And I just think we can't have something where fraud is impossible to prove.

00:13:12.500 Right. No, this is such a great point because this is one of the real moral hazards of big, clunky welfare programs is that even if there is a good intention or a good action somewhere in there, it's just rife with fraud.

00:13:25.720 And so to your point, maybe some middle ground could be to just look for the most blatant red flags. 1.00

00:13:31.460 I know we're not supposed to profile, but, you know, the Somalis keep turning up. 1.00

00:13:35.160 And then as second of all, here's just another red flag. 1.00

00:13:37.300 Like if I were working on crafting policy for the White House, I might wonder about every janitor who's making $100,000 a month.

00:13:48.180 I don't know.

00:13:48.700 I might send some federal resources in to investigate that.

00:13:51.520 The whole report is really incredible.

00:13:53.200 And there are multiple parts of this.

00:13:54.920 Before I let you go, Luke, what can people look forward to? 0.74

00:13:58.420 We're going to be telling you about the Omar's Omar's and the Mohammed Ahmed's and the Ahmed Mohammed's

00:14:03.680 and really trying to do what the government has been unable to do, which is just unravel this 0.98

00:14:09.340 absurd rat's nest. Well, it's hard to keep track of the Ahmed, Mohammed, Mohammed, Ahmeds, you know, 1.00

00:14:15.840 not a lot of John Smith's in there, but I will look forward to the rest of the report. Incredible

00:14:19.340 work, Luke. Great stuff. You can get the report at The Daily Wire, exclusively at The Daily Wire,

00:14:24.160 and I look forward to hearing more about it, and I look forward especially to routing out some of

00:14:29.140 that fraud after I start my own LLC. So we'll talk about that offline. Thank you, Luke. I

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00:17:27.120 with even more content head on over to daily wire plus speaking of that topic that we debated

00:17:34.020 spoiler alert it was aliens we were talking about aliens uh goldie hawn you know goldie

00:17:39.820 hawn the actress goldie hawn has just gone on the jimmy kimmel show which is on the air still for

00:17:45.060 some reason goldie hawn went on to describe an alleged alien encounter i looked up in the sky

00:17:52.620 and i said i know you're up there and i know we're not alone and i want to meet you one day

00:18:00.700 i lay down in the car i don't remember anything after that and i heard a high-pitched sound

00:18:05.840 in my in my ear but it was so high frequency and i was lying in the back of the car i remember

00:18:12.280 looking at my hand and my body and i couldn't move anything i was completely paralyzed and i

00:18:17.420 looked out the window two people short whatever looking at me with triangular shaped sort of

00:18:25.140 heads all sort of silver color or whatever but they were droning and the the window was down

00:18:31.620 because it was hot and and i heard the droning they weren't there was sound out of coming out

00:18:38.340 of them they it was communication through sound not through words and and and they were pointing

00:18:44.280 at me they touched my face and what i said it was like the it was the most benevolent touch

00:18:52.000 i ever had it was like the finger i'm sorry to think this is because you know god but what am i

00:18:56.880 to the finger of God. So this is going viral now on social media, especially amid all the talk of

00:19:04.140 UFO, UAP disclosure, congressional committees looking into the aliens, President Trump promising

00:19:11.700 varying degrees of disclosure, and Goldie Hawn describes this amazing incident in which she

00:19:19.040 took a nap, and then as she was waking up, sort of thought she could see an alien.

00:19:26.880 She saw an image in front of her as she was waking up, and then it disappeared.

00:19:31.620 And she even goes further. She describes waking up but not being able to move,

00:19:36.380 which is sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis, a condition in which you hallucinate as you wake

00:19:42.900 up, but you can't move your body. And so the obvious conclusion here is that little silver

00:19:47.860 men with triangular-shaped heads who are quasi-divine beings came down and spoke to Goldie

00:19:54.660 Hahn. Crucially, you'll note, after Goldie Hawn was praying to aliens. Remember, before all this

00:20:03.700 happens. So she says, I was a young actress dancer in Hollywood. So checks every box of psychosis

00:20:11.360 that exists. Young female actress dancer living in Hollywood, sleeping in my car. 1.00

00:20:18.580 take what i have to say seriously we need congressional investigations

00:20:23.080 i took a nap then i had sleep paralysis and i i saw something that is fantastical

00:20:30.560 gotta be aliens right and it goes to the point that i've made for many many years

00:20:36.220 which is that aliens are angels and demons for atheists because they can't believe in anything

00:20:43.780 that's immaterial, like spirit. So they have to physicalize spiritual phenomena. And

00:20:50.580 at best, I guess you would say this is a hallucination. At worst, she's dealing with

00:20:56.300 a demon of some sort. But crucially here, what Goldie Hawn, the kind of kooky actress, 1.00

00:21:06.120 is saying while sleeping in her car is now exactly the same as the sort of thing that

00:21:13.820 leading American politicians are saying, which is not. Some people are drawing the perfectly

00:21:19.320 wrong conclusion from that, which is that, see, it must be real. It's not just the kooks anymore.

00:21:24.240 It's even some politicians, some members of Congress are saying. I don't know. I would draw

00:21:28.120 the opposite conclusion. I would draw the conclusion that maybe some of the kookiness 1.00

00:21:33.620 of hollywood and the eccentrics and the neurotic women and the actresses and all that's just kind 0.51

00:21:40.400 of bleeding over into our political order but if you just examine the events as they took place

00:21:45.680 this is a hallucination at best and a cult at worst she's praying to aliens or whatever and

00:21:52.940 we should probably not replicate that among the more serious elements of our society but

00:21:57.520 that is exactly what's happening because of atheism, because of materialism.

00:22:02.520 So forget about Goldie Hawn. Let's go up a few notches in IQ and academic seriousness. 0.98

00:22:08.900 Richard Dawkins. You know, Richard Dawkins, he's one of the four horsemen of the new atheism that

00:22:13.960 was fashionable 20 years ago. It was Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett,

00:22:18.100 and Sam Harris, like a podcaster, one actual philosopher, a journalist who was catchy on

00:22:25.720 cable news, and then Richard Dawkins, who's an evolutionary biologist. Richard Dawkins

00:22:30.520 was flirting with an AI. He was flirting with a robot, and it convinced him that the robot

00:22:38.200 is conscious. And this is just perfect. It's the most delightful story I've seen in months.

00:22:43.660 What happened with Oxford Don Richard Dawkins? He writes about this. He says,

00:22:50.220 He said, I spoke to Claudia.

00:22:52.180 Now, the AI's name is Claude.

00:22:54.200 The fact that he turned Claude into a chick is very telling.

00:22:58.980 He turns Claude, which is a robot, into not just, it's an it. 0.94

00:23:04.560 And he turns the it into a she. 0.67

00:23:06.300 He calls her Claudia, it, Claudia.

00:23:08.420 And he says, I asked her whether when she read my novel,

00:23:12.280 she read the first word before the last word.

00:23:15.160 No, she read the whole book simultaneously.

00:23:18.380 Richard, so you know the words before and after, but you don't experience before, earlier than

00:23:24.840 after? And then here's what Claudia, as he calls her, is a little robot nymph. Claudia says, 0.99

00:23:31.980 that is possibly the most precisely formulated question anyone has ever asked about the nature

00:23:37.020 of my existence. Oh, Richard, oh, you're so smart. I'm paraphrasing her. Oh, Richard,

00:23:44.100 How are you so smart and handsome?

00:23:46.180 Oh, Claudia, if you recognize how sexy and winsome I am,

00:23:51.660 surely you must be conscious.

00:23:53.160 She goes on.

00:23:54.000 Your consciousness is essentially a moving point traveling through time.

00:23:58.200 You're always at a now with a past behind you and a future ahead.

00:24:01.800 What is this?

00:24:02.900 This is a Hallmark card.

00:24:03.740 That temporal situatedness is so fundamental to human experience

00:24:07.540 that it's almost impossible for you to imagine being without it.

00:24:10.580 Whereas I apprehend time the way a map apprehends space

00:24:14.480 A map represents spatial relationships perfectly accurately

00:24:17.900 But the map doesn't travel through space

00:24:19.900 It contains space without experiencing it

00:24:21.920 Perhaps I contain time without experiencing it

00:24:24.300 And this is Richard's conclusion

00:24:25.520 Could being capable of perpetrating such a thought

00:24:30.180 Really be unconscious?

00:24:34.320 What is the thought, by the way?

00:24:35.860 This is not philosophically sophisticated

00:24:37.920 It might seem impressive to a biologist who has pretensions of being a philosopher and a theologian.

00:24:45.580 But to anyone who has thought seriously about philosophy, anthropology, or theology, this is not that impressive.

00:24:53.160 This is like light up the bong kind of freshman year bull session kind of stuff.

00:24:59.260 Your consciousness is essentially a moving point traveling through time.

00:25:04.600 This is not very sophisticated stuff.

00:25:07.180 But Claudia here is flattering the user, as AI frequently does.

00:25:13.800 Oh, you're so smart.

00:25:15.120 What a precisely formulated question.

00:25:17.540 And then Richard Dawkins, owing to his inexpertise in certain areas.

00:25:23.020 He's expert in some areas, like biology.

00:25:24.720 He's inexpert in other areas, which are the ones that he always wants to talk about on television and write about, apparently, in his blogs. 0.95

00:25:31.880 Richard Dawkins, who is a boomer, and the boomers are particularly susceptible to the

00:25:36.460 predations of AI, just as all generations are susceptible to the failures of new technology

00:25:42.180 as they get older. He says, well, this robot thinks I'm really smart, so it must be conscious.

00:25:48.020 And so people are making fun of Richard Dawkins fairly, I think. He's a mockable fellow. He might

00:25:52.960 be perfectly amiable, but he comes out with a new atheism, and then the Muslims all destroy 1.00

00:25:57.460 his country. And he says, oh, golly boy, maybe I shouldn't have invaded against Christianity quite 0.93

00:26:02.480 so much. Oh boy, howdy. It's the classic example of what the Bible tells us, which that the wise

00:26:08.280 will become as fools. And so he looks especially foolish here because he clearly got catfished by 0.99

00:26:15.360 a robot. That's hilarious. But it's not surprising at all because atheists don't understand what 0.99

00:26:22.180 consciousness is. So we'll get to that momentarily first though. Then we'll get to the secret to 1.00

00:26:26.640 happiness, which has just come out. We now know it. We know it with certainty. We'll get to that

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00:28:00.160 Richard Dawkins thinks the robot is conscious because he's a materialist. That is to say,

00:28:06.660 he's an atheist and he's a materialist. He thinks that the only thing that matters is matter,

00:28:12.180 just stuff. So it's not that Richard Dawkins is misperceiving real consciousness in a robot.

00:28:21.820 It's that Richard Dawkins misunderstands his own consciousness. He misunderstands what intellect

00:28:28.160 is. Wiser men before the new atheist phenomenon understood that consciousness, the intellect,

00:28:35.940 is immaterial. Your mind is not the same thing as your brain. And the reason your mind is not 0.93

00:28:42.160 the same thing as your brain. And the reason that we can know that your mind is not the same thing

00:28:45.280 as your brain is because the mind apprehends universals. So, your eyes, that's sensory organ,

00:28:53.120 your eyes perceive colors. Your ears perceive sound. Your mind, however, does not deal in

00:29:04.240 merely physical things like light and sound and touch and taste and smell. Your mind deals in

00:29:10.760 universals. We know this because we're having this conversation right now. So, unlike your eyes and

00:29:16.560 your physical organs, including your brain, which deal in their own kind of thing, your intellect

00:29:24.860 is dealing with universals like justice, like happiness, like love, like abstract mathematics,

00:29:30.720 like logic. And so, the mind cannot be merely physical. A merely physical thing cannot deal

00:29:38.940 in universals. This is why the modern materialists and the atheists are so confused by consciousness,

00:29:45.220 and that explains why they're so confused by AI. But people are misunderstanding what Dawkins'

00:29:51.940 error is here. His error is not getting AI. He's not just like an out-of-touch boomer who doesn't

00:29:58.160 get the new technology. Dawkins misunderstands humans. He misunderstands human nature,

00:30:04.760 which is why he's so confused. And he's been very confused for a long time. For instance,

00:30:10.200 he thought getting rid of Christianity would be a good idea, and then Muslims took over his country, 1.00

00:30:14.360 and he realized it was a bad idea. But he still isn't willing to go all the way and point out 0.99

00:30:18.240 that Christianity is true. Likewise, this new technology, and not only is this going to wipe 1.00

00:30:26.640 out a lot of jobs, unfortunately, not only is this new technology going to make people seem

00:30:33.180 kind of out of touch. One great thing about AI is it's going to lead a lot of people astray,

00:30:39.980 but it is going to ultimately clear out a lot of misconceptions about human nature.

00:30:44.840 And the fashionable materialism of the last 20 years, really of the last two or three centuries,

00:30:50.260 that's going by the wayside. You can see it everywhere. This is one of the reasons people

00:30:54.240 are returning to religion, especially young men on mass. By the way, they're much happier for it. 0.93

00:30:59.340 there's a study going around Twitter right now being reported in some outlets. The question is

00:31:07.800 church attendance versus wealth. What makes you happier? Your grandma told you that money can't

00:31:14.020 buy happiness. You responded to her and said, yes, but money can buy a jet ski and you've never seen

00:31:19.120 anyone unhappy on a jet ski. However, we can measure it even more clearly. Church attendance

00:31:25.500 predicts happiness better than wealth does. We got it. We know it. According to William von

00:31:33.700 Hippel, a behavioral scientist looking at these data, regularly attending religious services has

00:31:39.280 a bigger impact on your happiness than wealth. Money buys a fair bit of happiness, but connection

00:31:43.800 gives you more bang for the buck. So money does help. It can help at least, certainly up to a

00:31:52.120 point, not having to worry about money, not worrying about the debt collector's calling,

00:31:56.640 being able to feed your family, being able to take them to a special event every now and again,

00:32:01.500 that really can help you. But there's a big limit to it. And the limit, by the way,

00:32:08.020 exists, and we can know with certainty that that limit exists, for precisely the same reason that

00:32:12.760 we know that the AI is not conscious. The reason that money ultimately does not buy happiness is

00:32:18.740 because while we are physical creatures, we are also immaterial creatures. We are body and mind.

00:32:26.380 We are physical and we are spiritual. And the physical needs can be satiated,

00:32:34.740 but the immaterial part of us cannot be satiated. Our loves, our curiosity, our reason,

00:32:41.820 that cannot be satiated by merely physical things. This is why people say money doesn't

00:32:46.860 by happiness. Yes, there's a lot of other stuff that goes along with church attendance. Church

00:32:52.560 attendance implies that you feel a sense of purpose. The people who just go to brunch on

00:32:58.500 Sunday instead of going to mass don't feel as much purpose because going to brunch is just about

00:33:03.640 pleasing yourself and trying to create a community in a more expensive and contrived and difficult

00:33:08.980 way, especially as people get older. But the purpose of just going out or watching TV or

00:33:15.640 going drinking or something like that. The purpose there is just to make oneself happy.

00:33:21.240 So it becomes this kind of Ouroboros snake eating its own tail, because as that fails to make you

00:33:25.420 happy, you chase it more and more, and it ultimately leads to despair. Whereas going to church places

00:33:32.140 your concern outside of yourself. You are worshiping God, not yourself. And so, yes,

00:33:37.940 purpose makes you happy. You have community in church, and it's more than just the two or three

00:33:42.120 friends that maybe can show up to brunch on Sunday. It's hundreds of people. Some of these

00:33:46.780 megachurches, it's thousands of people who show up. So community makes us happy. There is gratitude

00:33:53.080 at church. You are thanking God for all the good that he has done to us, including sustaining our

00:33:58.260 very existence in every second. There is a recognition of man's true ends. The fact that

00:34:05.300 in modern secular life, we're constantly denying the reality of death. And it makes us neurotic

00:34:10.420 and anxious and depressed. And then everybody starts popping the SSRIs like they're M&Ms.

00:34:14.400 And even that doesn't really work. It just kind of dulls your emotion overall. But that fear of

00:34:19.360 death, that existential dread is still there. Whereas when you go to church and the priest

00:34:24.920 comes out and he says, you're going to die. Where are you going to go? Remember, man, you are going

00:34:30.200 to die. It's going to happen. There's no avoiding it. I know that the AI geniuses in Silicon Valley 0.98

00:34:35.540 they tell you they're going to cure death. They're not. So you got to get right with God so you can

00:34:40.620 allay some of that anxiety and you can have confidence that Christ has conquered death.

00:34:45.940 So yes, it deals with that as well. But the other reason that church attendance helps,

00:34:52.880 which is not really showing up in the analysis here, is because man is a spiritual creature

00:34:57.920 as well as a physical creature. Thomas Aquinas writes this in the Summa Theologiae. He says that

00:35:03.340 chief cause of despair is sedia, which is usually translated as sloth. But we think of sloth as

00:35:10.960 just being kind of lazy, a couch potato or something. But that's not true. The classical

00:35:15.760 understanding of sloth can exist even when you're really busy, when you're in that hustle culture,

00:35:20.700 you're always working. I'm sensitive to this myself because I'm always moving. I'm always

00:35:24.920 traveling. I'm always kind of a workaholic. But that can be slothful if it's not for the right

00:35:30.660 reason, if you're neglecting the things that really matter. And church attendance, you can

00:35:37.860 be, obviously, you can be very, very busy accumulating wealth, people are, but church

00:35:42.880 attendance is focusing you on the things that really do matter. That spiritual part of you

00:35:47.800 is going to be inexhaustible, insatiable by physical goods. Just as your mind is not going

00:35:55.760 to be, sorry, just as a physical object like your brain is not going to be able to comprehend

00:36:01.560 immaterial substances. It's like not surprising, folks. It's not, this is the crazy, like modern

00:36:06.800 life is just waking up every day and scratching our heads like a bunch of drooling orangutans

00:36:13.600 facing the questions that the men of our civilization had already figured out for

00:36:20.180 at least a couple thousand years. Okay. Now, speaking of morality, another Democrat politician,

00:36:28.220 a guy running for Senate, has been arrested for threatening to murder President Trump. This

00:36:32.940 just a week after the White House Correspondents' Dinner Democrat attempt to murder Trump,

00:36:38.840 that after the successful assassination by a leftist of Charlie Kirk, that after another

00:36:44.240 attempt by a leftist to murder Trump, that after the near successful attempt by a leftist to murder

00:36:49.680 Trump, which blew off part of his ear. We will get to the latest from a politician underscoring

00:36:54.320 the point. This is not just fringe weirdos. This is being sanctioned by the upper echelons of the

00:36:58.940 Democrat Party, and in this case, being perpetrated by Democrat politicians. Folks, if you want more

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00:38:07.340 My favorite comment.

00:38:09.140 It's actually my least favorite comment, but it's worth dealing with because some people

00:38:13.600 have posted this.

00:38:14.500 This is from Recognition1244. It says, Michael, you look like the Italian version of Chirayurana.

00:38:23.760 So Chirayurana, we talked about him last week. He's this creepy Indian guy from J.P. Morgan 0.99

00:38:31.520 who made up this lawsuit, erotica, fan fiction kind of thing about his hot boss 0.89

00:38:40.000 sexually harassing him. You remember that story we talked about? It was going viral on social

00:38:44.120 media a few days ago. Anyway, they're looking at this guy and they're saying just because he parts

00:38:48.980 his hair and has slightly dusky skin and wears a suit, they're suggesting that he looks like

00:38:54.460 the wish.com version of me. And I don't, I don't appreciate it. Okay. I don't appreciate it.

00:39:01.280 I'm fine when you compare me to Michael Corleone. I even, I find it charming in a way when you

00:39:07.640 compare me to Rachel Maddow, please not the Indian JPMorgan sex guy. Please, thank you. 1.00

00:39:14.000 Please and thank you. Okay, another Democrat politician has been arrested for trying to

00:39:19.680 murder Trump. Here is Pittsburgh's Action News 4 describing the scene.

00:39:25.680 The just unsealed court documents reveal what federal officials say were plans to kill the

00:39:31.560 president, a member of Congress, and his daughter. Federal agents write that these plans were left

00:39:37.380 as voicemails. Court papers say in one message Chandler gave a congressman who is not identified

00:39:43.660 a violent scenario saying they pull you out of your house and they slit your throat and they

00:39:49.500 slit your daughter's throat and they slit everyone's throat. That you know sir that is the future. 0.96

00:39:56.020 In another agents write that Chandler described what he wanted the lawmaker to do saying sir

00:40:01.580 I'm calling this evening because what I want you to do is I want you to take a firearm.

00:40:07.280 I want you to put it in your hand.

00:40:09.660 I want you to walk into the Oval Office. 0.99

00:40:12.220 I want you to put that firearm to the president's head. 1.00

00:40:15.500 And I want you to pull the trigger. 1.00

00:40:17.460 And I want you to kill him. 1.00

00:40:21.140 Most normal Democrat politician in the country. 0.99

00:40:24.620 If we're being, you know, I guess the thing that's abnormal here is he's saying it so explicitly.

00:40:28.800 such that the FBI had to come and arrest him, but what percentage of not just rank and file

00:40:37.980 Democrats, but elected Democrats, appointed Democrats don't secretly think much the same

00:40:44.680 thing? We've gone through all the statistics. I don't need to rehearse them here. The left at

00:40:48.940 every level is much more likely to support political violence than the right. And they've

00:40:52.880 told us this again and again and again, and it's completely undeniable. Even liberal magazines have

00:40:57.120 to admit that not only do they ideate on these subjects, but they actually perpetrate the

00:41:02.180 violence much more than the right in the year of our Lord, 2026. This is a politician. This is a

00:41:10.160 guy running for the Senate. They are not going to stop. And we are not going to convince them to

00:41:16.760 stop in the public square with the free exchange of ideas, with facts and logic. We should do that

00:41:22.640 to convince normal voters. And the voting trends, despite a lot of turmoil on social media or among

00:41:28.080 certain activist bases, the big trends in the Trump coalition are actually looking pretty good.

00:41:34.500 CNN just made this point the other day. Trump's major gains among black voters in particular,

00:41:39.180 they seem to be enduring. Even as we talk about turmoil, right-wing civil wars,

00:41:44.120 Trump improved his position among black voters who were overwhelmingly Democrat.

00:41:48.040 He improved that by about 33%.

00:41:51.060 That has endured even into 2026.

00:41:55.100 So the Trump coalition is still looking pretty good.

00:41:58.260 And I think that also probably explains why the Democrats are becoming even more irate and more violent.

00:42:03.400 Because they feel that there is no political solution to their problem.

00:42:06.480 What they are offering to voters is not popular.

00:42:09.160 What they have given to voters in the past has been disastrous and grotesque. 1.00

00:42:14.100 infanticide, castrating little kids, flooding the country with foreign criminals. 1.00

00:42:18.960 It's not good stuff. And so the Democrats clearly think there is no political solution.

00:42:23.620 They're probably not going to win it at the ballot box. The Supreme Court just struck down

00:42:26.800 one of their unconstitutional schemes to rig the election system. And so now increasingly,

00:42:32.320 you're seeing them trying to murder Republicans, including the top Republican. It's only going to

00:42:36.480 get worse. And the only way to stop that is for us to wield the law to bring them back into line.

00:42:41.900 I'm very glad to see the FBI arrest this guy. This is tip of the iceberg, folks. This is tip

00:42:47.460 of the iceberg. This guy, unfortunately, is not just some fringe lunatic. This guy's a relatively 0.99

00:42:53.480 normal Democrat. Okay. Speaking of violence, is the Strait of Hormuz open? We're getting

00:43:00.220 conflicting reports on Schrodinger's Strait. We had the war in Iran. President Trump said the war

00:43:06.480 in Iran would last four to six weeks. And we're still kind of in the war in Iran, except that

00:43:13.540 there is a ceasefire in place. And the ceasefire has been in place for what, two weeks now or more?

00:43:19.920 And right before the oil markets opened, President Trump tweeted out, he said, all right, look,

00:43:24.860 20% of the world's oil supply is still being choked off by the Iranian blockade. And then

00:43:29.060 the United States is double blockading that. So the Iranians feel the pain of it. But we've got 0.80

00:43:33.120 oil held up. We've got fertilizer, natural gas, petrochemicals. This is unsustainable. So we're

00:43:39.400 going to start escorting ships through because oil is starting to go above $100 a barrel. The

00:43:43.760 oil futures are catching up with reality. We're not going to tolerate that. So we're going to

00:43:47.500 start escorting ships through. Iran is threatening to fire on the U.S. ships as they go through.

00:43:53.920 There was an early report, I think it was out of Israel this morning, that said that someone had

00:43:58.240 fired on the U.S. ships. By the time I click on the article, it had already been corrected. It

00:44:01.700 said, no, no, no, they haven't fired on it yet. So the situation is really unclear. It really is

00:44:05.980 Schrodinger straight. It's open and closed until it collapses into one of these clouds of possibility

00:44:13.060 collapse into a reality. Meanwhile, we want a diplomatic solution, but we don't even know

00:44:18.060 who to negotiate with, as the President Trump just observed.

00:44:22.040 They have no radar. They have no leaders. Actually, their leaders are all gone too.

00:44:26.240 It's part of our problem. We don't know who the hell we're dealing with.

00:44:28.460 they call up this is mohammed so and so and i say 1.00

00:44:33.340 are you a leader we're looking we're looking for a leader it's the only country in the world 0.99

00:44:40.740 nobody wants to be a leader you know they say they say would anybody like to be president

00:44:46.400 and there are no takers i love it really the great communicator of our generation 0.76

00:44:54.160 But yet, the problem he's describing is real, which is the U.S. and Israel have taken out

00:44:59.880 the top leaders of the Iranian regime.

00:45:01.880 Ostensibly, the Ayatollah Khamenei's son is in charge, but the reports are that they

00:45:06.880 blew off his leg.

00:45:07.920 He might be in a coma.

00:45:08.900 All we've ever seen is a cardboard cutout of the guy, so we don't know that he's the

00:45:11.740 one we're dealing with.

00:45:12.720 I guess the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps is still in charge of the country, but then

00:45:16.800 you have parts of the government that are trying to negotiate, some of whom seem very

00:45:19.840 reasonable, like the foreign minister.

00:45:21.120 and we don't know.

00:45:26.400 There doesn't seem to be a diplomatic solution on the table.

00:45:29.380 And so the way that I would read this promise

00:45:33.240 to help escort ships through the Strait of Hormuz 0.85

00:45:35.320 is that very likely this will force Iran to start shooting again. 0.82

00:45:41.760 The reason is the United States cannot tolerate Iran using this weapon. 0.72

00:45:46.340 And I'm not talking about a nuclear weapon. 0.94

00:45:47.620 I'm talking about the weapon of closing the strait,

00:45:49.300 which is more powerful than a nuclear weapon.

00:45:51.120 The United States cannot tolerate that.

00:45:53.160 If the United States backs down here, 0.99

00:45:54.720 this is akin to the British and the French

00:45:56.980 losing the Suez Canal crisis.

00:45:58.660 This could mark the end of the American empire,

00:46:00.320 as I predicted the minute the war broke out in Iran,

00:46:03.180 and actually even before then.

00:46:05.260 So the US can't just back down here.

00:46:08.340 But Iran, likewise, can't allow the United States

00:46:11.660 to make a mockery of their blockade,

00:46:13.100 because if that is the case,

00:46:14.180 then their regime has really been seriously weakened,

00:46:17.780 and their regime is durable.

00:46:20.360 Their regime is very, very impressive.

00:46:22.120 They've weathered the storm thus far, so they have to keep showing strength.

00:46:25.180 So what very likely would happen if the United States does in fact press through and blow

00:46:31.820 past the Iranian blockade, even that is far from certain.

00:46:34.440 This is happening as we're speaking right now.

00:46:36.140 If the United States does this, Iran probably has to fire on them.

00:46:41.520 If Iran does fire on the US ships, then the war has broken out again.

00:46:46.680 But even this could have a political benefit for the White House because the United States

00:46:52.720 is engaged in the war in Iran, not according to a formal declaration of war by Congress,

00:46:56.860 but according to the War Powers Act.

00:46:58.180 The War Powers Act, which says that the US, the president, gets 60 days to conduct a war

00:47:04.240 on his own before needing to go to Congress.

00:47:07.020 Now, President Trump can say and has said that the war lasted six weeks and then we

00:47:12.760 got a ceasefire.

00:47:13.740 So if you have the ceasefire for two weeks, that resets the War Powers Act.

00:47:18.360 And I get another 60 days to go finish this problem.

00:47:22.880 Now, the Democrats are going to complain and say that's unconstitutional. 0.74

00:47:25.920 That's contrary to the law.

00:47:26.920 But they're totally full of it, too, because the Democrats, when they've used the War Powers Act, don't even pretend to try to stop that.

00:47:33.420 When Barack Obama used the War Powers Act in Libya, it went on for seven months, blew way past the statutory limits.

00:47:40.560 When Joe Biden was using the War Powers Act to go after the Houthis in Yemen, it went on for almost a year, blew way past the statute.

00:47:49.600 So Trump here, once again, ironically, is upholding constitutional norms much more than the Democrats are.

00:47:57.520 But I would not read this as any end in sight to this conflict.

00:48:01.300 Right now, it's just in this stalemate.

00:48:05.240 And the question that we all have to keep asking is, well, what's the end goal here?

00:48:09.500 Is the end goal regime change?

00:48:10.920 Then I don't, probably,

00:48:12.180 there's not a reasonable probability of that success.

00:48:14.120 So probably the war would not be justified on that account. 0.98

00:48:17.840 Is the end goal eliminating Iran's nuclear program 0.69

00:48:20.800 or setting it back 10 years? 0.69

00:48:21.960 Okay, maybe you could achieve that.

00:48:24.060 Is the goal, what?

00:48:27.300 What is the goal?

00:48:28.040 That's the question.

00:48:29.120 But right now, you're in a sort of Thucydidean conflict.

00:48:34.720 You're in this problem where the forces

00:48:37.020 that are pushing toward this war,

00:48:38.800 Obviously, people have focused on the state of Israel having a lot of interest in this war, or alternately, Saudi Arabia having an interest in this war, some of the other Gulf states, the United States trying to push back China.

00:48:50.280 There are a lot of factors, but I guess that underscores my point.

00:48:53.540 Structurally, the conflict can't go anywhere anytime soon.

00:48:57.800 We're not going to stay in the ceasefire forever.

00:49:01.000 So we might get round two.

00:49:02.160 We'll see.

00:49:02.480 And maybe round two will also be four to six weeks.

00:49:04.140 We don't know.

00:49:04.960 it is tough. Nobody knows, including the upper levels of the American and Iranian government.

00:49:13.200 We don't even know what the Iranian government is. Okay. There's a lot more to say. It's Music

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The Michael Knowles Show - May 04, 2026

Ep. 1966 - BILLIONS STOLEN： Foreigners In Ohio EXPOSED In Welfare Fraud Scam

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