The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1972 - UK’s First LGBTQ Surrogate Parent Arrested For Exactly What You’d Think

00:00:00.000 It's almost time for a contentious election, so you know what that means.

00:00:03.920 A new pandemic is brewing in quarantines around the country.

00:00:08.300 We will examine just how low Democrat favorability numbers have to drop

00:00:12.560 before we all have to lock down for Hantavirus.

00:00:16.520 Then, speaking of diseases, an OnlyFans model loses her composure

00:00:20.580 after our old pal Clavicular introduces her to her biggest fan,

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00:00:32.080 lesson about morality and digital life. And Britain's first gay surrogate parent

00:00:38.280 has been charged with sex crimes. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:55.740 Welcome back to the show. President Trump has just described a presidential ticket

00:01:08.820 of J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio as the perfect presidential ticket, but he's not endorsing

00:01:17.560 them yet. It's not an endorsement, but it's the perfect presidential ticket. We will get to what

00:01:23.320 that means and why people are already fighting. Are you team JD? Are you team Marco? Can you even

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00:03:04.240 the 11th or the 12th? Well, regardless, we're in May. We have these contentious midterms coming up.

00:03:10.720 Democrats were supposed to sweep the whole thing in a tsunami, but because they overstepped on

00:03:16.240 redistricting because of a couple of crucial Supreme Court decisions at the Virginia Supreme

00:03:19.840 Court level and the US Supreme Court level. Republicans are set to pick up potentially 14

00:03:24.880 seats, maybe not enough to stop a Democrat takeover, but it's another impediment to the

00:03:29.540 Democrats. Trump is supposed to be less popular than he is. Now, his approval rating is a little

00:03:34.780 low right now. Republicans are a little low right now, but the Democrats approval ratings are at

00:03:40.180 essentially all time lows. And so things are looking a little rough for the Dems. You know

00:03:44.380 what we got to do. You guessed it, another pandemic. According to the Wall Street Journal,

00:03:50.340 American hantavirus cruise passengers flown to quarantine center after positive test.

00:03:56.640 Two of the passengers are being transported in biocontainment units,

00:04:00.920 while a woman in France has also tested positive. So the US has repatriated 18 American passengers

00:04:06.420 from a cruise ship that was struck by a hantavirus outbreak. Hantavirus, I guess,

00:04:10.620 spreads from rodents. So these passengers are now in quarantine. 16 of the passengers being

00:04:17.520 monitored at University of Nebraska Medical Center, two others in Atlanta. It's good Atlanta's

00:04:23.540 important because Georgia can be a swing state, so you got to make sure you get some of that

00:04:26.480 hantavirus down there. It's not just in the US, though. A French woman also tested positive for

00:04:31.200 the virus during her repatriation flight. So we're just getting things started, just in case.

00:04:37.940 It's a little bit of an insurance policy.

00:04:41.820 I don't think we're doing this again.

00:04:44.620 One, to start out, I don't think hantavirus is an op.

00:04:48.420 I don't think it was just like made up.

00:04:50.660 I don't think it's fictional.

00:04:51.960 In the same way that I don't think COVID was fictional.

00:04:54.540 It was some kind of virus, obviously.

00:04:55.980 We were lied to about COVID for years.

00:05:00.640 And the top health officials in the country told us bald-faced lies.

00:05:06.240 not just things that weren't true. They said that wearing the hanky on your face would stop you from

00:05:10.920 getting the virus. They told you that standing six feet away was medically necessary. It was

00:05:15.040 totally made up. They told you that taking that stupid vaccine would prevent you from catching

00:05:19.340 the virus. Then when people caught the virus, they said it would stop you from spreading the

00:05:22.140 virus. Then when people spread the virus, they told you it would have been a lot worse if you

00:05:25.400 never took it. They also told you there were no side effects and a bunch of people died from it.

00:05:29.660 Anyway, I'm not saying that the viruses are fake. That is not really the argument about the

00:05:35.200 Democrat opt for COVID, or we'll see how hantavirus plays out. The argument is that Democrats

00:05:41.300 cynically played up the virus, exploited a virus to their political benefit in 2020 by rewriting

00:05:47.840 all of the election rules, in some cases unconstitutionally in the case of Pennsylvania,

00:05:52.820 and giving them a structural advantage for the 2020 election. And who knows, maybe here as well.

00:05:58.160 I don't think people are going to fall for it. I don't lose sleep at night over hantavirus.

00:06:02.520 I lose more sleep over Democrats subverting our whole political order.

00:06:06.800 But to quote a former Republican president, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice.

00:06:10.920 Hey, hey, hey, the point is you're not going to fool me again.

00:06:12.760 Now, speaking of some of those shenanigans, the reshaping of the political order, as you

00:06:18.080 know, the U.S. Supreme Court in Louisiana versus Calais just struck down after many

00:06:23.720 years and decades, the Democrats' racial gerrymandering.

00:06:28.120 the Democrats interpreted the Civil Rights Act, sorry, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 to say that

00:06:37.260 when states redistrict, so they redraw their congressional maps as they do every 10 years or so,

00:06:43.800 when they do that, they have to discriminate on the basis of race.

00:06:49.180 And Democrats had argued that based on the Voting Rights Act, which they said was just

00:06:54.080 giving a greater enforcement mechanism to the 14th and 15th Amendments.

00:06:58.720 The U.S. Supreme Court, with a decision by Sam Alito, and then an opinion that went even further

00:07:05.280 than the court's majority opinion, written by Clarence Thomas, notably a rather black man,

00:07:11.140 argued that, in fact, the Voting Rights Act made no such demand, and in fact, racial gerrymandering

00:07:17.780 is unconstitutional. Not only does it not buttress the 14th and 15th Amendments,

00:07:22.900 it actually undermines them. It violates them. So we have AOC, fresh on the heels of her history

00:07:28.920 lesson, saying that the American Revolution was fought against the billionaires of its time,

00:07:34.140 the American Revolution, which was led by the richest men in the colonies.

00:07:37.580 AOC comes out with her take on how the redistricting, specifically in my state of

00:07:42.880 Tennessee, violates the Voting Rights Act and disenfranchises black people.

00:07:48.920 When you are seeing states like Tennessee want to wipe out every black representative on the map in these states, we have an obligation as Americans to stand with black Americans and communities whose whose representation is being disenfranchised.

00:08:13.220 Okay, fact check, quick fact check here. Is Tennessee removing the only black representative

00:08:21.800 that it has in Congress? Well, Tennessee is redrawing the maps in accordance with the

00:08:26.900 U.S. Supreme Court's decision, and this will change the representation specifically surrounding

00:08:31.740 Memphis, which is a majority black city. Okay, so just quick little fact check here.

00:08:35.560 Who is the representative from Memphis? Is it Jamal Loquitius X? Is it, I don't know,

00:08:47.740 Big E Smalls III? I don't know. I'm trying to think of stereotypically black names.

00:08:51.880 No, it's Steve Cohen. Steve Cohen, who is a notably pale individual. I don't think he has

00:08:58.700 a single drop of African ancestry to him. Neither an octoroon nor a quadroon is he.

00:09:05.200 He is very, very lily white. So AOC is upset that Steve Cohen might lose his job.

00:09:15.040 She interprets this as the eradication of black representatives from Tennessee. So I think

00:09:20.300 if we have a PolitiFact or Snopes fact check here, we would have to rate this 100% false.

00:09:27.660 Once again, AOC at that very same event said the American Revolution was fought against

00:09:31.720 billionaires. Not only was she a little wrong, she was perfectly wrong. It was the exact opposite

00:09:35.560 of reality. So too, in this case, Steve Cohen is not just not all that black. He is not in any way

00:09:44.840 black. But then let's get to the deeper point of black representation in Congress. Right now,

00:09:50.340 when you include the House and the Senate, there are about 67 black representatives in the US

00:09:55.640 Congress. This out of what? What is it? 535 total representatives, which means coincidentally that

00:10:03.820 black representatives make up 12.5% of Congress, which is precisely the black percentage of the

00:10:10.620 US population. Not that that should even mean anything, by the way, because you could have

00:10:15.640 zero black representatives in Congress and it would still not necessarily follow that black

00:10:21.240 people were not represented in the United States. Congressional representation is done by district.

00:10:27.580 It's not done by race. We don't have 12 to 13% black representatives and 60% white representatives

00:10:35.240 and however many percent Hispanic and Asian and all the other kind of represent. We don't do that.

00:10:39.500 We do it not based on race, which would be unconstitutional, but by geography, by district.

00:10:45.020 furthermore you could have 100 black members of congress that still would not necessarily imply

00:10:52.580 that there was racial discrimination in any case the redrawing of the congressional maps

00:11:00.040 in accordance with the decision of the supreme court with a very strong opinion from clarence

00:11:03.640 thomas who is more importantly an excellent jurist but notably in this case black

00:11:07.980 does not in any way imply racial discrimination quite the opposite the whole point of the decision

00:11:13.000 was to overturn racial discrimination, which the Democrats are pushing and which they're very upset

00:11:19.880 about because they felt it gave them an advantage. So how are the Republicans looking? President

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00:12:39.720 on the brewing battle for 2028.

00:12:44.060 A lot of people are saying

00:12:45.280 they might throw their hats in the ring.

00:12:47.440 There's some talk that Ron DeSantis

00:12:48.920 might run for president again.

00:12:51.140 Rand Paul might run for president again.

00:12:53.060 There was an Axios report some months ago

00:12:54.540 that Senator Cruz might run for president again.

00:12:57.120 But then, of course,

00:12:57.780 the two people within the administration

00:12:58.960 who are leading the pack,

00:13:00.580 the vice president, J.D. Vance,

00:13:02.780 and the secretary of state, Marco Rubio.

00:13:05.160 So which one is Trump leaning toward picking?

00:13:09.720 A lot of beauties out there, J.D. I envy you and other people. I don't know. Who's it going to be? Is it going to be J.D.? Is it going to be somebody else? I don't know. Does anybody have? OK, let's go. You ready? Who likes J.D. Vance?

00:13:26.680 who likes marco rubio all right sounds like a good ticket jd

00:13:37.840 it's a perfect that was a perfect ticket by the way i do believe that's a dream team but these

00:13:44.160 are minor details that does not mean you have my endorsement under any circumstances but you know

00:13:51.220 Well, it's a perfect, it was a big and then a very nice, I think it sounds like presidential candidate and vice presidential candidate, president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association.

00:14:05.220 I love him. And some people don't totally understand what Trump is saying here because they don't speak New Yorker. I think most people get what he's saying.

00:14:12.900 But for those who don't, for those who are not familiar with that particular dialect of American English called New Yorkese, he comes out, he says, okay, we got great presidential candidates here.

00:14:27.760 And he starts out with J.D., the vice president, obviously.

00:14:30.400 He says, who likes J.D.?

00:14:31.420 Huge round of applause.

00:14:33.240 He says, oh, but we got some other people.

00:14:34.260 How about Rubio?

00:14:35.460 A big round of applause.

00:14:38.680 Not as big as the round of applause for J.D., but it's still pretty good.

00:14:41.920 obviously that crowd really likes Rubio too. Rubio is doing a great job. And he says, wow,

00:14:46.140 sounds like a great ticket. He says, there was a huge round of applause for JD. There was a very

00:14:50.520 good round of applause for Marco Rubio. Sounds like a great ticket, a dream team, a perfect ticket,

00:14:56.920 but this is not in any way an endorsement. It's not an endorsement, but it's perfect and it's great

00:15:03.520 and it's ideal and it's exactly what you should pick. And crucially, this is also what Trump has

00:15:07.760 been saying for months now. Trump has been saying for months, JD should be the presidential

00:15:12.380 candidate. Marco should be the vice presidential candidate. I want them to run as a ticket. I was

00:15:16.640 in the room. I was in the cabinet meeting when it was right before Labor Day. And Marco Rubio

00:15:22.020 had this great joke. It brought down the house. He said, this is a very important Labor Day for

00:15:25.380 me as a man with five jobs. And everybody laughed. And they're going around. And Trump says, Marco,

00:15:29.780 you're doing such a great job. I hope you never run for office again. I hope you stay in this.

00:15:32.760 In a way, he was saying, you're doing such a great job. Don't run for president.

00:15:37.760 but now he's saying, well, maybe run for vice president, but don't, but, but he's obviously

00:15:45.480 favoring, he's saying it's not an endorsement, but I am endorsing you, but it's not an endorsement.

00:15:49.940 He's obviously favoring the vice president because that's why he picked him.

00:15:56.400 The historical circumstance, the strange historical circumstance of a non-consecutive

00:16:02.180 second term means that when the presidential candidate picks his vice presidential candidate

00:16:07.220 heading into that non-consecutive second term, he is effectively saying this is the guy who it's

00:16:12.660 going to be next time. And Trump also loves the unity, it seems to me, within his administration.

00:16:18.180 There was a little bit of division and discord in the first admin. In the second admin,

00:16:22.080 people are getting along great. And this is crucial about JD and Marco Rubio because there

00:16:25.880 are going to be some people out there who say, well, I prefer Rubio. I want it to be a Rubio

00:16:30.740 JD ticket, or I want it to be a Rubio DeSantis ticket, or I want whatever. I don't,

00:16:37.220 But you hear a little less of that from the pro-JD guys. You hear a little less anti-Rubio stuff

00:16:43.700 from the pro-JD guys. You hear a little more anti-JD from some of the pro.

00:16:49.320 Did I say, look, I haven't had a cigar this morning. I'm a little, let me say that again.

00:16:53.400 You hear a little less anti-Marco from the pro-JD people. You hear a little more anti-JD

00:17:00.140 from the pro-Marco people. Okay. Why? Why is that? Well, it seems to me, and this has been

00:17:05.700 true for 15 years now. The Republican establishment feels more comfortable with Rubio.

00:17:11.880 This is no knock on Rubio. Don't take this as a criticism of Rubio. I think Rubio is doing a

00:17:15.620 great job. But the political establishment has preferred Rubio for a long time, really,

00:17:20.940 since just about the time he became senator, certainly when he ran for president in 2016.

00:17:25.020 The more establishment wing of the GOP really favored Rubio over a guy like Trump or a guy

00:17:31.400 like Cruz or some of the other candidates. And so what does that mean for this kind of ticket?

00:17:37.800 I actually think that's a great thing because the GOP does very, very well when you have the

00:17:43.860 more conservative, a little more populist kind of candidate, along with the guy who's a little

00:17:50.460 better liked by the establishment or by the business community or by even the foreign policy

00:17:55.380 establishment. This is what you had with Reagan Bush. Reagan Bush was a unity ticket to bring

00:18:00.640 together those two sides of the party. A little more cowboy, conservative, populist, a little

00:18:05.360 more country club, gets along in the boardrooms kind of guy. That was Reagan Bush. You had this

00:18:11.060 really with Trump-Pence in 2016. The GOP establishment, really, they didn't feel that

00:18:16.620 comfortable with Trump. The foreign policy establishment really didn't like Trump.

00:18:20.700 Even the business guys were a little worried about Trump, especially when he was talking

00:18:24.800 about immigration and tariffs. But they did like Pence. Pence was a little more satisfactory to

00:18:31.420 that wing. And so in this case, I think Vance Rubio makes a lot of sense. I think Trump is

00:18:35.860 totally right here. It's a little too early to endorse a ticket, as Trump is joking too.

00:18:40.840 But that makes a lot of sense. The fact that they appeal to slightly different wings of the party

00:18:46.900 is actually a good thing. And there's an irony too, which is that by all appearances,

00:18:52.900 at least from the outside, Vance and Rubio get along very well. They seem to be aligned on a

00:18:57.180 ton of issues. They work together very well. So that could be an excellent ticket. Because

00:19:01.980 Reagan and Bush did not really get along. Maybe they came to get along, but in 1980,

00:19:06.560 they were not exactly pals. And they were a very, very effective Republican administration.

00:19:11.360 Here, if Vance and Rubio already have worked together pretty closely, already seem to get

00:19:15.000 along very well, and they appeal to different groups, you have the more conservative populist

00:19:21.760 candidate in JD, who is the vice president, who has gotten the plaudits from the president,

00:19:27.520 probably should be the top of the ticket. And then you have the guy who allays some of the fears of

00:19:33.300 the more establishment wing of the GOP, but also has good conservative bona fides himself.

00:19:39.460 Hard to disagree with Trump. That would be a very, very strong ticket. Okay.

00:19:44.720 A perfect ticket, he says. Now, speaking of perfection, here's a story

00:19:47.640 has nothing to do with electoral politics,

00:19:49.680 but it's a delightful story.

00:19:51.760 It was going viral on social media.

00:19:53.600 It's an image of an ultrasound

00:19:54.980 with what looks like a hand,

00:19:59.980 if not multiple, at least one hand

00:20:01.520 touching the baby's head on the ultrasound.

00:20:04.420 So it's one of these 3D ultrasounds.

00:20:05.980 If you've had a kid recently

00:20:07.080 and you pop for the extra 100 bucks

00:20:08.780 or whatever it costs,

00:20:09.660 you get to see the 3D ultrasound.

00:20:11.120 And it's not as grainy and black and white

00:20:12.260 and you get to see all these features.

00:20:13.700 And on this, it's really, really weird.

00:20:16.100 There's a hand.

00:20:17.640 on the baby's head. And I can't make sense of it. It almost looks like AI,

00:20:21.120 but it's not being reported as AI. It's being reported by a news organization.

00:20:26.580 Where is this? Yes, this is by KWTX. Local news here, the hand of God, Kentucky mom,

00:20:37.780 sees divine sign in baby's ultrasound. There's a now viral post. One Kentucky mother shares a

00:20:42.420 precious ultrasound image of her baby in which she believes a hand is seen seemingly touching

00:20:45.840 the child. Each time before ultrasounds, she says, I've dropped to my knees right in the

00:20:49.300 doctor's office to pray over Kyler, said Amanda Foster. And she prayed that God keep his hand on

00:20:56.960 her baby. And then the ultrasound comes out and you see this hand there. And it doesn't, I don't

00:21:01.520 think it's the doctor's hand. It doesn't quite look like it would be the doctor's hand. And it

00:21:04.960 does, it's just this weird image. Maybe it's just some, maybe it's AI. Maybe it's some weird

00:21:11.620 interference in the ultrasound. Maybe, who knows what it is, but it's really jarring.

00:21:18.080 Now, what I love about this image is the incredulity from people.

00:21:24.240 The people who said, not the skepticism, but the incredulity. The skeptics, I'm a little

00:21:29.360 skeptical myself, say, I don't know, I wonder how that image came about. Is it just, is it a hoax or

00:21:33.660 is there some interference or whatever? But the people who say it couldn't possibly be the hand

00:21:38.240 of God. I would just ask you, why not? Why not? It's not that God's existence relies on signs

00:21:47.640 like this. It's not like if this turns out to be a hoax or just an illusion that therefore we

00:21:53.820 conclude that God does not exist. But in a world made by God, this image, if it is real, should

00:22:02.140 not be surprising. That's kind of my point. Modern people, secular people, materialist people,

00:22:08.240 they're so shocked they seem so scandalized by apparent miracles and i don't really get why

00:22:16.140 we live in a world that is contingent that is in motion that is subject to change

00:22:23.980 that has effects caused by causes a world that by our best theories just began from nothing in a big

00:22:34.700 bang? Why is it weird that in a world that is created and sustained by God, God whose existence

00:22:45.300 we can know, we can deduce through reason, why is it weird that miracles might happen?

00:22:53.580 There is nothing contrary to physics. There's nothing contrary to biology. There's nothing

00:23:00.160 contrary to nature about the supernatural intervening into nature in a nature that is

00:23:09.140 obviously created. You understand the point? This is like sometimes Christians will say, well,

00:23:17.080 look, I don't believe that some miracle happened, whatever kind of miracle it is,

00:23:22.860 whether it's a Eucharistic miracle, whether it's a miraculous healing, whether it's a mystical

00:23:26.800 experience, whatever it is, they say, I don't believe that this miracle happened.

00:23:32.480 And you say, hold on, you believe a guy died and then rose again from the dead on the third day

00:23:39.100 and then ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God, the father almighty.

00:23:44.520 But you don't think that like a religious relic could liquefy. You don't think that the Eucharist

00:23:50.840 could bleed. You don't think that a person could be miraculously healed from cancer without any

00:23:56.380 medicine. Hold on. They'll say this even about the miracles in the gospel. Well, look, I don't

00:24:02.840 believe that Jesus literally fed 5,000 with just a little bit of bread and fish. Hold on.

00:24:09.380 Hold on. You believe God became man, took on flesh and dwelt among us, then was crucified,

00:24:17.320 died and was buried, and then rose again from the dead. But you don't think he could make some extra

00:24:22.720 bread or turn water into wine? I don't really get it. I understand people's challenges that

00:24:30.580 they have with religion and questions that they have about revelation, the way that God reveals

00:24:35.120 himself in the world. But the people who say it is not possible to see the hand of God in an image

00:24:41.560 of a baby on an ultrasound, I just think that doesn't, that's an illogical conclusion to draw.

00:24:47.640 everything that we know about nature everything that we know about nature using our reason tells

00:24:54.080 us that very well could be the hand of god okay speaking of the birds and the bees clavicular our

00:25:00.580 old pal clavicular of michael and fame uh has you know he's had some troubles uh had a drug problem

00:25:08.100 overdosed a little while ago we talked about it on the show and he's you know i've said said i

00:25:12.000 think clavicular is very talented i think he's actually got some interesting insights into the

00:25:16.960 world, but he seemed to be going down a bad path. And so we hope that he kind of makes a little

00:25:23.200 turn, make sure he gets on the right path. We don't want bad things to happen to him like happens

00:25:27.220 to a lot of young people who get famous, reality stars, all the rest. But I feel vindicated in my

00:25:32.480 observation that Clavicular has a good sense of media and even some insight into how society

00:25:37.880 functions, because he just had a viral clip introducing an OnlyFans model, like a porn lady,

00:25:47.060 to one of her top donors, a guy who reportedly donated hundreds of thousands, if not millions

00:25:53.960 of dollars to her. And the clip is not just a Jerry Springer circus. The clip tells us something

00:26:00.900 really profound about prostitution and simps, but also about digital life, which we'll get

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00:27:31.620 Mr. Icular, Clavicular,

00:27:33.680 just introduced some OnlyFans lady

00:27:35.480 to one of her top donors.

00:27:38.780 Here's how it went.

00:27:41.100 Hi.

00:27:42.160 It's nice to finally meet you.

00:27:46.040 You're much fatter in person.

00:27:48.140 What?

00:27:48.420 You're much fatter in person.

00:27:50.440 Fatter?

00:27:51.080 Yeah.

00:27:55.840 Mother f***er, get a charge back.

00:28:01.560 Oh my God.

00:28:03.660 What kind of things are you into?

00:28:05.780 I don't really want to talk to you after you said that.

00:28:09.040 That was so mean.

00:28:11.460 But he gets a pass.

00:28:12.660 He's given you millions, right?

00:28:15.220 Yep.

00:28:18.420 anything you want to say about yourself

00:28:21.600 because i'm scared i'm scared i'm scared um nice to finally meet you are you guys right now i'm

00:28:31.400 like i don't know no like it's literally dead it's not even a troll oh like most of them are

00:28:37.660 like the scripted fake podcast but this mother is like actually your top spender

00:28:42.400 so i want to know what do you bring to the table dating wise okay all right we'll pause here before

00:28:49.780 we get to the crucial point but this is an amazing interaction already off the top so you might say

00:28:55.420 well maybe this is all just fake but i don't know that it's fake i mean this lady is apparently an

00:29:00.500 only fans lady and so guys pay her money kind of talk about the sign of a decadent age people are

00:29:08.040 paying for pornography on the internet. The most abundant product that exists probably on planet

00:29:14.900 earth for free, people are paying for it. It shows you perversity. It shows you the

00:29:21.040 irrationality of vice and it shows you decadence. But I have no reason to believe that this guy

00:29:28.040 hasn't spent a ton of money on this lady's OnlyFans page. And so they sit down and what

00:29:33.320 does this guy say? You'd expect him to be really in love with this girl, right? He's given her all

00:29:39.280 this money. He looks at her and obsesses over her all the time. He's infatuated with her.

00:29:44.200 So you'd expect him, you'd expect it to be embarrassing for him, but in a different way,

00:29:48.900 perhaps. You'd expect him to say, like, I love you and I want to marry you and I want to,

00:29:52.860 you're just the most perfect thing ever. But it's not what he says. He sits down and he says,

00:29:56.800 hey, you're fatter in person. And she seemed shocked by it. He says, what? All of a sudden,

00:30:05.120 all of the bravado, the kind of performative confidence that goes along with any performance

00:30:11.100 on camera, and certainly with pornography or prostitution or stripping or whatever,

00:30:16.640 all of that, her tone shifts immediately. She's kind of taken aback. Wait, what?

00:30:21.040 and and why does he say it that way because to him she is just a product it's like going to the

00:30:27.560 store and buying a pound of gabagool and you inspect it you say the gabagool it's a little fatty

00:30:31.940 hey hold on that's not what i paid for he's not in other words he's not in love with her as a

00:30:36.800 human being would be in love with another human being he he he doesn't want her he doesn't desire

00:30:42.740 her in the way that a husband desires his wife he desires her in the way that a fat italian guy

00:30:47.320 desires Gabagool. He wants to consume her. And he's disappointed. He says, you're fatter in real

00:30:53.260 life. And he's reduced her entirely to the material, just like flesh and meat. And the

00:30:59.480 reality of her is disappointing to him because pornography is a glittering image. It's a

00:31:05.740 phantasm. It's an illusion. And the reality is inevitably going to be disappointing because

00:31:11.080 for him this girl is in part glittering images pixels and in part his own fantasies and she

00:31:18.140 can't live up to his fantasies so then she says wait what she doesn't know what to say she's

00:31:23.220 flummoxed and he says what do you bring to the table once again not hey how what can i do for

00:31:28.180 you how can i help you and it's no it's hey hold on you're here for me i'm buying you you're my

00:31:33.580 slave you're my product and then you get to the really crucial discovery of this bizarre interaction

00:31:39.980 nice to meet you was it yeah

00:31:44.360 was it nice to meet him

00:31:48.200 okay um i'm really scared like kick him out now yeah like right now i'm dead why would we get him

00:32:03.140 she's really scared no because i'm scared i would be too but this is like the kind of that you

00:32:12.820 subject yourself to when you like okay but why are you like not defending me and being mean to me

00:32:17.200 we are defending would you not be scared if you're me right now that's why i have my security guard

00:32:21.480 here along with all my staff wait like would you actually not be scared right now if you're me

00:32:25.660 uh i would but then i would also say to myself i subjected myself to this right but i didn't you

00:32:31.940 know like this is the consequences of you know earning money in that way is i yeah no i understand

00:32:37.960 but do you it's like no i don't think you did understand that was really scary no that was

00:32:43.680 really scary actually that's never happened to me like right it's it's really easy it's really

00:32:48.600 really easy when it's over the internet but like putting it right in front of you it it just

00:32:53.400 actually gives you a clear picture on what's going on what an amazing turn in the interview

00:32:58.980 you. What an amazing turn. So revealing. It actually shows, can I say it? Can it shows that

00:33:05.060 Clavicular has some real insight here? Some of the things he said do not reveal insight and you

00:33:11.460 should not follow them. Obviously, you know, like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer and

00:33:15.120 injecting yourself with a bunch of drugs and, you know, stymieing puberty and making yourself

00:33:19.920 infertile and some of his sociological, political observations. Not ideal. But here on this

00:33:26.780 specific interaction, which crucially is not even just about men and women. It's about

00:33:32.480 digital versus real life, which is his expertise. Because I think that was the discovery of my

00:33:38.180 two-hour interview with Clavicular, which you can get on YouTube and on Daily Wire.

00:33:42.300 The discovery was this guy was bred in a Petri dish by and for the internet.

00:33:48.760 This guy is just like the perfectly distilled concentrate of growing up on the internet,

00:33:53.820 which means he understands the internet really, really well.

00:33:58.120 And so when she says, whoa, I'm scared right now, I think that's genuine. I think she is scared.

00:34:02.640 She should be scared. That guy's super creepy. And she says, whoa, I'm scared right now.

00:34:08.780 And Clavicular says, you should be. Yeah, I would be scared too. And then she says,

00:34:14.640 why aren't you protecting me? He says, what are you talking about? You mean protecting you?

00:34:18.160 I have security guards all over here. You are as well protected right now as you are ever going to

00:34:23.560 be. But why are you putting yourself in the position where you are this vulnerable? In other

00:34:31.440 words, how protected are you going to be when I'm not here with my staff and my security guards?

00:34:36.580 Why are you putting yourself in this kind of danger? And she doesn't have a good answer for

00:34:40.580 it. So then he says, it's very easy to do all of these things, to engage in this kind of reckless

00:34:46.520 behavior on the internet, because you don't understand the stakes of it. It seems like

00:34:51.060 there's no danger. It seems like there's no consequences on the internet. But then when

00:34:55.460 the internet collapses into real life, all of a sudden you realize the stakes and you realize

00:35:00.540 how dangerous it is to prostitute yourself. Prostitution is a pretty dangerous business.

00:35:07.200 You're not really protected by the law. Prostitutes don't end up well.

00:35:12.280 Putting yourself out there, inciting the lusts of all of these guys, making yourself a product for

00:35:16.820 them and then being shocked and terrified when they desire you like a product. Yeah, maybe you

00:35:23.160 should rethink what you're doing. It's amazing because the clip works as a Jerry Springer

00:35:29.520 circus. It works on the level of pure trash reality TV entertainment. But this is a real

00:35:35.540 insight into digital life. And it's an insight that we should take even beyond the realm of

00:35:41.120 the sexual, even beyond the vice of lust. Because we're on the internet. People got big mouths on

00:35:46.940 the internet. They engage in all sorts of vices, all sorts of sins. Wrath, certainly. X is for

00:35:53.320 wrath. Twitter is for wrath. Pride. Instagram probably is for pride. Avarice. LinkedIn maybe

00:36:00.880 is for avarice. Seems like social media is tailor-made for all of these vices. And we think

00:36:08.180 they don't have consequences. Well, that's just online. The internet's not real life.

00:36:12.840 But you are not a divided person. You can't compartmentalize your life. And you cannot

00:36:17.800 totally protect yourself from consequences by a computer screen. You're one person. And what you

00:36:22.500 do in your life, whether it be over a computer screen or whether it be in the middle of the

00:36:28.880 street, carries moral consequences, eternal consequences, but also very tangible consequences.

00:36:36.660 You're putting yourself in danger, and one of the great tricks the devil plays in our digital age

00:36:42.040 is to convince us that that screen protects us, both spiritually and physically, and it doesn't.

00:36:49.520 Very insightful clip. Gotta hand it to him. That's a very insightful clip.

00:36:54.220 You get the whole story from how radically her demeanor changes. Okay, speaking of young people,

00:37:00.500 the collapse of family values. There's been a teen takeover in Tampa, Florida, a teen takeover.

00:37:09.040 And that sounds really nice and kind of funny and just a little mischievous until you find out

00:37:15.280 it's actually a major race riot with a bunch of deadly weapons. Folks, we know that one of the

00:37:20.500 big ways that the left tries to control the present is by rewriting the past. They do this

00:37:24.860 all the time. AOC just did it by saying that the American Revolution was fought against billionaires.

00:37:28.580 Well, thankfully, my friend Matt Walsh

00:37:30.280 has a new series, Real History with Matt Walsh,

00:37:32.580 where he debunks all the lies and the nonsense.

00:37:35.400 They've already got four episodes out.

00:37:36.580 Episode four drops today.

00:37:38.580 It's on the Civil Rights Act.

00:37:41.020 And every month, there's going to be a new episode.

00:37:42.860 You know what?

00:37:43.680 The left is terrified of this.

00:37:44.900 They're terrified because they know

00:37:46.900 that if Americans understand their own history,

00:37:49.280 if they know what happened and why,

00:37:50.720 the whole project falls apart.

00:37:52.320 Stop accepting the narrative that America is irredeemable.

00:37:55.000 Watch Real History with Matt Walsh on Daily Wire Plus today.

00:37:58.260 My favorite comment yesterday is from Hard Boiled Entertainment. It says, pro tip Michael,

00:38:02.040 keep the top on the tumbler, less spillage. So yesterday I was feeling very, very Italian and I

00:38:08.280 was speaking with my hands and I knocked my tumbler over and the fruity millennial seltzer

00:38:14.540 went flying. It almost took out my camera. You say, I got to put the top on my tumbler. No,

00:38:19.220 I don't do it. I don't do it. The leftist here's tumbler comes with the top. I don't use,

00:38:23.520 I never use the top. I don't like it. It's infantilizing. It makes me feel like I'm a

00:38:27.380 little child with a sippy cup. I want to drink like a man out of a big beaker. If it means I

00:38:34.860 spill, so be it. There's been a teen takeover in Tampa, Florida. What is a teen takeover? We have

00:38:41.540 some B-roll footage of it, I think. Teen takeover is when a ton of urban youths show up, in some

00:38:50.380 cases with deadly weapons and terrorize people, commit violence, vandalism, total disorder.

00:38:57.460 A consequence of this teen takeover is 22 arrests, the seizure of two guns.

00:39:04.200 How old are the kids? There's one 21-year-old, not a teen, two 20-year-olds among the arrested,

00:39:12.440 one 18-year-old, two 17-year-olds, three 16-year-olds, four 15-year-olds, to 14-year-olds,

00:39:19.340 six 13-year-olds, and a 12-year-old. So the arrests bookended by people who are not teenagers.

00:39:27.780 A 12-year-old showing up to commit crimes with 21-year-olds carrying guns.

00:39:35.440 now this is very unfortunate we don't we don't like race riots in our cities that's just uh

00:39:42.360 generally to be frowned upon it's even worse that this involves really young people teenagers

00:39:47.120 but the most scandalous part of the whole thing is that we're calling it a teen takeover

00:39:51.040 when i was a kid a teen takeover was a special night at the museum

00:39:56.200 a teen takeover was like the special day at the movie theater when tickets were a little cheaper

00:40:03.200 and they played G-rated movies.

00:40:05.240 That was the teen takeover of this institution or that institution.

00:40:10.380 Now, in our highly degraded culture, as we live in the ruins of our civilization,

00:40:15.320 a teen takeover is when a bunch of 12-year-olds show up with guns

00:40:18.280 like their child soldiers in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

00:40:23.020 And how do you deal with that?

00:40:24.420 How do you deal with that?

00:40:26.640 What the libs insist is that we just let people off the hook.

00:40:32.520 There was a story.

00:40:34.020 Maybe I'll get a little more into it tomorrow.

00:40:35.420 There's a story.

00:40:36.080 This guy, recidivist, criminal, rap sheet a mile long.

00:40:40.780 He gets out of a mental health inspection.

00:40:43.680 He was arrested.

00:40:44.420 He's evaluated for mental health.

00:40:46.820 They say, okay, well, yeah, the guy's kind of crazy.

00:40:49.160 We're just going to let him out.

00:40:50.220 And then he goes and kicks a 78-year-old man down the stairs of a subway.

00:40:53.600 The 78-year-old man dies on the subway.

00:40:55.960 This guy was out on the streets.

00:40:59.600 Now he's been arrested for it.

00:41:00.800 but that guy had been arrested many, many other times. He was threatening a couple women on a

00:41:04.860 subway. He was chasing them, kicking women on the subway, trying to grab them, trying to victimize

00:41:09.180 them. They got away. The guy starts following them across the street. And then luckily there

00:41:13.700 were some cops there to protect them, speaking of protecting women. But the ladies refused to

00:41:19.640 cooperate with the cops. And one of the girls goes on record. She was a 23-year-old girl. She says,

00:41:24.000 well, I don't know. I didn't want to cooperate with the cops. I didn't want to, you know,

00:41:27.420 it's like, I guess, I don't know. I just didn't want to see another black man in prison.

00:41:30.800 so she lets this guy off the hook. Not only did she let him off the hook, she refuses to cooperate

00:41:36.880 with the cops who are trying to enforce the law and protect the community. The guy gets off the

00:41:40.260 hook, and he goes and kicks a 78-year-old man down the stairs and kills him, so because she

00:41:45.060 didn't want to put a black man in prison, another black man in prison, she put an elderly white man

00:41:49.520 in the grave. That was the consequence of that, of her misapplied empathy and her misperception

00:41:58.380 of racial justice. The consequence of that was an elderly man was murdered in a totally preventable

00:42:04.100 crime. Same thing here. What's going on? How do you get a 12-year-old showing up with a bunch of

00:42:08.980 21-year-olds in guns committing crimes all over the streets? What do you do about that? You're

00:42:14.240 not going to treat them like adults, I guess. They're kids. But what are you going to do?

00:42:19.580 The inclination among the liberal, humanitarian, laissez-faire set is to say, well, we need to

00:42:27.460 slap them on the wrist and tell them, no, no, no. But we certainly can't put them in juvenile

00:42:31.600 detention. We can't put them in prison. We can't punish their families, obviously terrible families.

00:42:38.700 We can't act in a way that is authoritarian or overbearing. No, no, no. We have to just

00:42:43.480 understand the root causes, how the generational trauma stemming from the American Revolution,

00:42:49.240 which was fought against the billionaires, why that's leading these 12-year-olds to terrorize

00:42:52.800 people with guns. No, you have to just bring down the full force of the law. The instinct is the

00:43:02.700 most scandalous part of it for the libs is to just coin another euphemism. Oh, well, it's just

00:43:07.960 another teen takeover. You know, boys will be boys. You know, those 12 year olds running around

00:43:13.880 shooting people with 21 year olds at the mall. You know, it's like who among us hasn't? I looked

00:43:19.880 up the etymology or the history of the phrase teen takeover. It was coined in Chicago in 2019.

00:43:27.300 It's a pretty new phrase, seven years old. And the reason that you have this phrase

00:43:33.420 is so that we don't have to grapple with the reality of this, which is that we have,

00:43:38.920 through our laissez-faire attitude, which you see socially on the left, but you see it a little bit

00:43:43.180 on the right too. The right embraces laissez-faire. Hands off, we need very small government,

00:43:47.500 whatever. Well, the consequence of that is the total degradation of society and the degradation

00:43:53.000 of these people in particular. So I would say maybe we get rid of the euphemisms and we bring

00:43:58.040 the full weight of the law down even on the little 12-year-olds and certainly on their families.

00:44:01.920 That's the only way that you can prove this for everybody. Okay, last story before we go.

00:44:06.780 Britain's first gay surrogate parent was just charged with rape and human trafficking.

00:44:10.380 where's the story let's see i'll just read a little bit from the story

00:44:15.760 i don't want to get too much it's not exactly a man bites dog story so barry drewitt barlow 57

00:44:23.700 years old and scott drewitt barlow i don't think they're brothers i don't know they have the same

00:44:29.140 last name i don't think they're brothers who's about 25 years younger they're the co-owner of

00:44:33.180 some soccer team they're set to appear in court because this guy who is now married to his daughter

00:44:40.300 ex-boyfriend, he became earlier, pre this daughter's ex-boyfriend husband, he became the

00:44:50.640 first gay parent to surrogate a baby. This was in 1999. So what he did was he went, he purchased a

00:44:58.860 woman's egg, he rented a woman's womb, he bought a baby, designer baby. He's obviously a total

00:45:04.000 sexual deviant. He ends up then dating his daughter's boyfriend and getting gay married

00:45:10.300 to him. And anyway, he's just been charged with rape and human trafficking. But of course. Now,

00:45:16.920 the conclusion of this is not that all guys who are a little light in the loafers are pedophiles.

00:45:22.400 That's not the conclusion. That's going to be a tempting conclusion for people to reach,

00:45:25.340 but that's not fair. That isn't true. The conclusion of this should not be that all of

00:45:30.760 the homosexuals should be thrown off of rooftops or hung from cranes or something. That's not,

00:45:35.220 that's obvious. In certain parts of the world, that's the conclusion. I don't think that's a

00:45:38.200 fair conclusion. I don't think that's where your righteous indignation at this story should lead

00:45:44.920 you to land. But I think all reasonable people should look at a story like this. The very first

00:45:50.920 guy to surrogate a baby, the very first homosexual in Britain, to surrogate a baby. And this guy,

00:45:56.600 turns out is a sexual criminal. I think we can reach the fair conclusion that

00:46:02.820 the gays can't buy babies. And maybe no one should buy babies, actually, but especially the gays.

00:46:11.040 They should not buy babies because you just have to ask yourself, is this ideal for the baby?

00:46:18.240 Is it ideal for the baby, for a couple of homosexuals to go order him and then intentionally

00:46:22.420 deprive the baby of his mother, and then rent some other woman's womb, and then rip away the

00:46:26.520 only mother the baby's ever known, and then to be raised in a household with two fellas.

00:46:31.540 We've gone through the studies many times on here of the bad outcomes that this has for kids.

00:46:36.180 But just even from first principles, do we think this is ideal for the baby? Do you think that a

00:46:42.000 mother has anything to contribute to the raising of a child? Just as a father has anything to

00:46:47.380 contribute to the raising of a child? You do think that, okay. So then, should we, in our law,

00:46:51.580 permit people intentionally to deprive a child of a mother or a father? Should we,

00:46:59.040 as a matter of the law, permit people who are, by definition, a tad sexually deviant

00:47:05.800 and who statistically are much more given over to much more aberrant sexual behaviors,

00:47:11.940 sexual crimes? Should we, by matter of law, permit these people to go out and purchase babies?

00:47:18.380 no but michael you know sometimes women abuse children yeah they do you're right

00:47:26.720 men abuse children at a much higher rate uh but but yeah women do sometimes too so what

00:47:34.180 but michael don't you know straight people sometimes abuse children uh-huh right sure

00:47:39.920 But homosexuals are given to these extremely deviant sexual identities at a much higher rate.

00:47:49.360 So it's just, we're not going to ban people from getting married, like normal, like husband and wife.

00:47:54.520 We're not going to ban people from having kids, nor should we.

00:47:57.680 But it seems to me we could put some guardrails on this, right?

00:48:00.880 Does anybody seriously think this is the ideal situation for a child to be raised?

00:48:06.480 to be purchased by a man who is dating his daughter's boyfriend, who intentionally deprives

00:48:13.400 the baby of his mother, and who goes on to commit sexual crimes? No, it's not ideal.

00:48:19.400 So can we just say, without being homophobes or whatever, can we just say that we shouldn't allow

00:48:26.280 that, just as basically no society ever allowed that until about five minutes ago? Can we say

00:48:31.880 that the needs of the child are more important than the desires of deviant men? Can we say that?

00:48:38.160 Do we have the courage and confidence to say that and to do something about it? Do we have

00:48:43.500 the courage and clarity to enforce our moral vision in society as we must do, as all governments

00:48:49.120 and societies must do? Or no, are we just going to be laissez-faire? Well, you know, I mean,

00:48:54.280 you do you, I'll do me. This is just the teen takeover by another measure. It's the same root

00:49:04.540 problem. Can we come out and say, no, sorry, gays. We like Cole Porter. We like Noel Coward.

00:49:11.820 You don't get to buy babies. And actually, heterosexuals, you probably shouldn't buy

00:49:16.380 babies either. But we're just dealing with this issue right now. You guys don't get to buy babies.

00:49:21.340 Can we say that?

00:49:22.840 Are you willing to say that?

00:49:23.960 Because if you're not,

00:49:25.460 then I don't want to hear about all of this,

00:49:27.160 well, we need to be tougher

00:49:28.160 and we need the new crusades

00:49:29.720 and we need to insist on standards.

00:49:32.360 And no, guys, if you can't say

00:49:35.280 that a couple of fellas

00:49:36.080 don't get to go buy a baby,

00:49:37.400 you don't have any credibility

00:49:39.040 on any of those other issues.

00:49:40.360 Okay.

00:49:41.520 Oh, there's one more story

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The Michael Knowles Show - May 12, 2026

Ep. 1972 - UK’s First LGBTQ Surrogate Parent Arrested For Exactly What You’d Think

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