The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1974 - Xi Jinping Threatens WAR During Trump's Trip To China

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00:00:27.820 Chinese leader Xi Jinping threatens war with the U.S. on President Trump's first day in the

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00:00:50.840 thing. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:02:47.880 to unlock 15% off exclusions apply. All right, let's start out with some good news,

00:02:52.500 because the biggest story is that Trump is in China right now, and Trump opens up with these

00:02:57.300 really nice comments about Xi Jinping trying to make peace, make friends, make sure we all get

00:03:02.800 along. And Xi Jinping comes out with a haymaker and essentially threatens World War III. So we'll

00:03:08.040 get to what that means and the strange, not strange, very popular, but I think misunderstood

00:03:14.460 historical theory that is undergurning the Chinese bellicosity. First, though,

00:03:19.620 a little bit of good news. I want a little bit of good news here. There's a woman named

00:03:22.960 Desiree Cigari. As a cigar man myself, I don't claim her. I'm very ashamed that she shares the

00:03:29.780 name of my favorite hobby. Desiree Cigari threatened Republicans on TikTok.

00:03:38.220 Okay, guys. So I would like to start a new movement called CMAGA.

00:03:42.280 mega because people like that respond to fear and terror and aggression not logic and empathy

00:03:51.640 and i don't know intelligence it doesn't work for them so fear works so if we all get our guns and

00:04:00.480 use our second amendment right and our common sense at this point this administration is begging us

00:04:05.160 to rise up and revolt and you see somebody with a mega hat that's what we do that's the way

00:04:12.060 it's the only way put them back in their basements make them scared again to be 1.00

00:04:18.220 racist homophobic and terrible just awful pieces of shit because i would way rather live next to 1.00

00:04:23.980 immigrants than maggot people maggot people deserve to be terrified and scared to walk 1.00

00:04:27.820 in the streets because they should know that real americans are gonna kill them okay that 1.00

00:04:33.080 crazy lady uh was just sentenced to 14 months in federal prison after a jury found her guilty 1.00

00:04:40.180 of making threats on TikTok. This is really good stuff. It deserves attention. It deserves

00:04:45.440 applause. This is exactly right. I have been calling for this, not just over the last year

00:04:50.680 since the near assassination of President Trump and the successful assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:04:55.020 I have been calling for this for many years. And now the government is doing something about it.

00:05:01.940 This is really good. What's important about that video, though, what's important about the case

00:05:06.200 of Desiree Cigari is that she is not an outlier. She's not a weirdo. There are about a zillion

00:05:10.640 libs who have made exactly these kinds of threats. Notice, this isn't a direct threat

00:05:15.540 against a specific person. I'm sure she's made those too. But this is a more general threat.

00:05:22.680 I mean, it's specific in that she's saying, look, go to the MAGA people and go shoot them. 0.99

00:05:27.420 But then it's a little ambiguous, she says, and put them back in their basements. 1.00

00:05:31.480 Are we going to put them in the grave? Are we going to put them in the basements? It's a little

00:05:33.820 unclear because she does say, go out there and shoot them. They need to live in fear. 1.00

00:05:36.820 Well, hold on. This is exactly the kind of thing that the live streamer, Stephen Bonnell,

00:05:41.520 who goes by Destiny, said. He said this right after Charlie was murdered. He said,

00:05:46.260 no, I'm sorry. It was right after the, it's confusing. It was right after the near assassination

00:05:50.180 of Trump. He said, these conservatives need to be afraid to go out in public.

00:05:54.820 We need to threaten them. They need to be afraid to go out there in public.

00:05:58.560 So why isn't he being prosecuted?

00:06:01.700 Hassan Piker has threatened to kill, called for the killing of multiple sitting U.S. senators,

00:06:07.980 Rick Scott and Tom Cotton.

00:06:10.020 Ironic, too, because they're not the most bombastic senators.

00:06:12.200 They're pretty moderate and pretty middle of the road.

00:06:14.660 He's called for their murder.

00:06:16.420 Why hasn't Hassan Piker been prosecuted?

00:06:19.380 I don't mean to just whine and complain.

00:06:21.340 Conservatives love doing this.

00:06:22.520 This is something great.

00:06:23.480 the prosecution of Desiree Sigiri should be celebrated maybe with a cigar, maybe with a

00:06:28.720 Mayflower cigar. But this is just the beginning. This needs to be just the beginning. Because the

00:06:34.800 really scary thing that we learned after, especially after Charlie was killed, is that

00:06:38.340 this view is pretty mainstream. A huge chunk of ordinary liberals and Democrats think this way,

00:06:44.740 desire the murder of Republicans, threaten the murder of Republicans. And the only way that 0.95

00:06:49.260 you're going to change that behavior is first through prayer, second through our behavior in

00:06:56.840 the world, modeling good behavior, being the country you want to be. But third, and you can't

00:07:01.760 lose this point, through ruthless prosecution because the law is a teacher. So this is a really

00:07:07.120 good start. Okay. Speaking of violence, President Trump is in China, China, and President Trump

00:07:13.240 opens up contrary to what people say about him, that he's belligerent, that he's undisciplined,

00:07:19.260 that he's emotional. He's really not. He's really quite good at negotiations,

00:07:22.900 as we've seen throughout his entire career. And he can be very, very charming.

00:07:27.680 Trump opens up in this very friendly and notice, very personal way, speaking about

00:07:34.520 Xi Jinping, the leader of China. Well, President Xi, I want to thank you very much.

00:07:39.880 First of all, that was an honor like few have ever seen before. And I think I was

00:07:48.260 particularly impressed by those children they were happy they were beautiful the military is

00:07:54.860 obvious it couldn't be better but those children were amazing and they represent so much and I

00:08:00.320 know I know they represent so much to you you and I have known each other now for a long time in

00:08:06.500 fact the longest relationship of our two countries that any president and president has had and that's

00:08:15.020 to me an honor. We've had a fantastic relationship. We've gotten along. When there

00:08:19.920 were difficulties, we worked it out. I would call you and you would call me. And whenever we had a

00:08:25.520 problem, people don't know. Whenever we had a problem, we worked out very quickly. And we're

00:08:31.240 going to have a fantastic future together. But it's an honor to be with you. It's an honor to

00:08:37.600 be your friend. And the relationship between China and the USA is going to be better than ever before.

00:08:43.760 So notice Trump's tactic here.

00:08:47.060 Trump's tactic is, it's wonderful to be with you, my friend.

00:08:50.980 You and I, personally, individually, you and I, not America and China,

00:08:56.440 you and I, Xi and Donald, have known each other a long time.

00:09:00.260 In fact, we have a longer personal relationship than any other previous president and president,

00:09:07.040 or chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, because Trump has a non-consecutive second term.

00:09:11.540 So it's all this very personal aspect.

00:09:14.280 Thank you for that personal display that you guys just put on for me.

00:09:17.660 Thank you for having me.

00:09:18.680 It's a pleasure to be your friend.

00:09:20.860 All personal.

00:09:22.800 Then Xi Jinping comes out, drops all the personality, and says that the two nations, China and the United States, might go to war.

00:09:34.460 The whole world is watching our meeting.

00:09:37.000 Currently, transformation not seen in a century is accelerating across the globe and the international

00:09:47.800 situation is fluid and turbulent.

00:09:50.880 The world has come to a new crossroads.

00:09:53.880 Can China and the United States overcome the Thucydides trap and create a new paradigm

00:10:02.540 of major country relations?

00:10:06.920 Can we meet global challenges together and provide more stability for the world?

00:10:16.620 Can we, in the interest of the well-being of our two peoples and the future of humanity,

00:10:21.640 build a brighter future together for our bilateral relations?

00:10:27.680 These are the questions vital to history, to the world, and to the people.

00:10:35.000 are the questions of our times that you and I need to answer as leaders of major countries.

00:10:43.120 This year, notice, notice the totally different framing. I haven't seen anyone else talking about

00:10:49.900 this, but this is crucial to understanding the showdown right now between Trump and Xi and

00:10:54.740 America and China. Notice it's none of this. Hey, Don, good to see you again, buddy. Love your suit.

00:10:59.620 Hope we can go get a round of golf after this. How are the kids? It's none of that.

00:11:04.120 It's all impersonal.

00:11:05.940 This is a discussion of bilateral relations between your people and my people, the United

00:11:10.920 States and China.

00:11:12.300 Can we avoid the Thucydides trap? 0.99

00:11:14.780 That's the key to the whole thing.

00:11:16.080 What is the Thucydides trap?

00:11:17.700 The Thucydides trap refers to the history of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides, the

00:11:22.540 ancient Greek historian.

00:11:24.580 Thucydides doesn't invent history.

00:11:27.060 You have other history, Herodotus.

00:11:28.940 You have histories that are a little more fantastical.

00:11:30.900 But Thucydides gets credit for the first kind of realist history, really down-to-earth history.

00:11:37.640 The, I don't know, the archetypal kind of history writing that we think of as history today.

00:11:42.800 And in the Peloponnesian War, Thucydides writes this one line that has gotten a lot of play among political scientists recently.

00:11:52.040 He writes, it was the rise of Athens and the fear that this instilled in Sparta that made war inevitable.

00:12:00.900 So this is one line from Thucydides. But in recent years, specifically by a Harvard political

00:12:06.920 scientist named Graham Allison, this has come to define what international relations geniuses call

00:12:15.100 the Thucydides trap. And the argument is that when you have an established power like Sparta

00:12:22.520 and a rising power like Athens, when those two forces are at play and the rising power really,

00:12:31.060 really, really starts to rise, war becomes almost inevitable. And this Harvard political

00:12:35.540 scientist, Allison, says in a book, he writes that there are 16 historical instances of an

00:12:41.700 emerging power coming to really rival a ruling power. And in 12 of those 16 instances, it led

00:12:47.680 to war. So this is proving, almost proving Thucydides' supposed argument that the war

00:12:53.120 was inevitable. This is the perfect way to see the difference between how Trump thinks and she

00:13:00.560 thinks, how America thinks and China thinks. Because Trump is thinking in terms of individuals,

00:13:07.140 great men, personalities, freedom, choices, opportunities. One man can change history.

00:13:15.600 Xi, a communist, right?

00:13:17.500 You have Donald Trump, an individualist, an American, a guy who thinks that anyone can

00:13:23.220 do anything, especially in America.

00:13:24.740 There's no limit to what Trump can do.

00:13:26.820 I'll take over this industry and that industry.

00:13:28.940 I'll put my name on big buildings.

00:13:29.940 And then you have Xi, who's writing from the perspective of Chinese communism, who's

00:13:35.000 thinking, no, history is defined by impersonal historical forces, the science of history.

00:13:40.980 So he's not thinking about individual great men.

00:13:43.140 He's thinking about these impersonal forces. So, of course, he's much more given over to the

00:13:47.540 thinking of the Thucydides trap, which gussies up modern, mostly left-wing political theory

00:13:53.840 in the robes of antiquity to give it this kind of patina of authority.

00:13:58.420 But the question is, is that real? Is the Thucydides trap real? Is the argument real?

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00:15:43.240 valid for a limited time. Terms and conditions may apply. The Thucydides trap. I don't really

00:15:48.140 like this phrase. I've invoked it before. I don't really like it, though, because I think it's a way

00:15:52.280 for modern, especially liberal, poli-sci people to borrow the authority of a great historian

00:15:58.360 like Thucydides. But there were a lot of serious academic historians, not just random Harvard

00:16:02.180 political scientists, who said the Thucydides trap thesis is a bunch of BS. It's not true.

00:16:07.240 If you look at the 16 conflicts that Graham Allison points to, they don't really work for

00:16:12.960 the thesis. There are plenty of other conflicts and potential conflicts that don't really match

00:16:17.880 the thesis. And even when you go to the Peloponnesian War, I mean, the great historian,

00:16:22.900 Donald Kagan, who was a professor of mine, actually, he made the point, he was a Yale

00:16:26.440 guy. There's another Harvard historian, Ernst Badian, who said that Thucydides' trap is bunk,

00:16:35.280 actually. The reason that the Peloponnesian War broke out is because there was a quarrel in

00:16:40.020 Epidamnus. There was the Megarian decree, the economic policies of the Athenians.

00:16:44.920 There were the perfidious designs of the Corinthians. There was the person of Pericles 0.97

00:16:49.920 who made specific decisions, who had free will, who made some decisions, some of which were not

00:16:54.060 good. And then he died, by the way. He just sort of died because of the plague. And had he not

00:16:58.480 died, maybe the war would have taken a different ending. The Thucydides trap is more appealing to

00:17:03.920 communists and the we can work it out ideas of Donald Trump. It's more appealing to those who

00:17:09.080 believe in great men. One is more appealing to China. One is more appealing to America. 0.65

00:17:14.480 And I think Trump is right. And I think the Trump political project,

00:17:19.040 Trump's whole raise on debt as a politician is to prove that great men really can change

00:17:26.440 the course of history, that great men really can play a role.

00:17:30.020 And so we often have these two theories of history contraposed against each other,

00:17:35.120 the impersonal forces theory and the great man theory, the great man theory, which comes

00:17:39.200 from the 19th century, Thomas Carlyle, very conservative guy.

00:17:42.500 And my own theory of history, not to take a squishy middle road, but my own theory of

00:17:47.600 history is a kind of Christian version of the great man theory. That's great man like the great

00:17:53.460 man upstairs. In that, look, there's obviously providence to history. There are forces on the

00:17:59.920 move in the world that are beyond our own individual will. God is sovereign over history,

00:18:04.440 but God works through individual men, men who are made in the image and likeness of God

00:18:09.680 and who are rescued by God himself who becomes man in Christ and who enters into history

00:18:18.100 and all the political workings of history in the Roman Empire, in the time of Augustus,

00:18:22.620 who is crucified under Pontius Pilate, who suffers death, who conquers death on the cross,

00:18:26.360 who's resurrected on the third day, who institutes a church that is visible within the world.

00:18:30.460 And so there's a little bit of both of these.

00:18:32.240 They're obviously historical forces at work, but men really have free will.

00:18:36.260 Men, especially cooperating with God's grace, really can make a difference.

00:18:39.680 And that's what Trump is saying here. 1.00

00:18:41.800 Trump is saying all your stupid communist theories, liberal theories, left-wing IR theories, Thucydides trap, that's all a bunch of bunk. 1.00

00:18:49.120 It's just me and you here, Xi. 1.00

00:18:50.640 And if you make the wrong choice over Taiwan, we could blow up the world in World War III.

00:18:55.860 But if you make the right choice, we can work together and we can have peace and prosperity.

00:18:59.420 Don't blame impersonal forces.

00:19:02.240 Don't try to shove your responsibility off on some impersonal forces of history.

00:19:07.580 No, no, no.

00:19:07.920 It's me and you here, guy.

00:19:08.920 And we've been friends for a long time, longer than any other leaders of our countries.

00:19:12.740 So let's work it out.

00:19:14.340 And I think Trump is right.

00:19:15.780 But from the standpoint of history, 20, 30, 40 years from now, I think a lot of the judgment

00:19:21.920 of what the Trump era meant will be a judgment of that theory of history.

00:19:27.440 The American empire was really on a steep cliff of decline.

00:19:32.880 During the Bush era, second Bush era, and then into the Obama era, we were really just

00:19:36.560 crumbling.

00:19:37.440 And then Trump comes in and he says, I'm going to make America great again.

00:19:41.140 Can I do that?

00:19:42.300 Are the impersonal forces of history too great?

00:19:45.560 Can one man make a difference anymore?

00:19:47.480 That's what Trump is asking.

00:19:48.860 That's the point of the Trump presidency.

00:19:52.420 And here you see this great brewing conflict.

00:19:56.320 And Xi Jinping is saying, I don't know that a great man can make a difference in history.

00:20:00.160 I think China's rising.

00:20:01.400 We're Athens, you're Sparta, and we're going to come to conflict. 0.91

00:20:04.640 what's it going to be? I still think Trump is right, but it's a showdown. It's a showdown

00:20:11.380 really to zoom out again. It is a showdown between a more Chinese view of the world and a more 0.97

00:20:16.700 American view of the world. Okay. Speaking of Trump as the great man kind of guy, the vice 0.81

00:20:21.680 president, JD Vance, just was asked a question yesterday. He keeps getting asked, hey, who's

00:20:25.620 going to be the nominee in 2028? Is it going to be you? Is it going to be Rubio? Is it going to

00:20:28.340 be someone else? Who does Trump want? Why does Trump keep asking these questions? Hey, crowd,

00:20:33.800 Do you like Vance? Do you like Rubio? What's that all about? Vance, I think, gave the perfect answer.

00:20:40.360 Us who are bringing this up a couple of days ago, Trump made this statement to people in the Rose Garden.

00:20:45.300 Why do you think he does that? Do you think it's it's a little bit of toying with you both over your succession?

00:20:51.420 Why do you think he brings that up? Just number one.

00:20:54.320 Well, I just don't think it sounds like the president of the United States to have a televised competition for who would succeed him as his apprentice.

00:21:02.600 I just think that's not at all what you would expect the president to do.

00:21:06.760 But no, look, I think the president, he's always been fascinated by politics.

00:21:10.660 If you talk to him, he was fascinated by politics 30 years before he ever ran for office.

00:21:15.640 So I think it's natural for him to joke around with us a little bit, to play around with

00:21:19.320 the idea.

00:21:19.800 But I can tell you the president is as focused as any of us on making sure we do as good

00:21:24.120 of a job now for the American people.

00:21:25.980 I love this answer.

00:21:27.420 I love that he laughs it off, but with some real substance here.

00:21:30.960 He says, hold on, is your question that Donald Trump seems to be creating a, some might call it a reality television show to determine who will succeed him in this big role?

00:21:44.780 Wow, I don't think he would ever do that.

00:21:48.080 Are you suggesting he might be extremely internationally famous for doing just that?

00:21:52.420 Oh, yeah, gee, I wonder.

00:21:53.800 And then he turns it back to, but I'm not taking the bait.

00:21:56.540 I'm going to play my role.

00:21:57.800 because the way that he's going to get that apprenticeship is he's going to play his role.

00:22:04.100 He's going to do a good job as vice president, which he is doing.

00:22:07.820 And he's obviously the favorite to succeed President Trump. That was true when he picked

00:22:11.080 him. And President Trump made that clear in his comments just a few days ago.

00:22:14.400 But this is the way to answer that question, especially this far out.

00:22:19.260 We were talking about how AOC is currently the front runner for the Democrats yesterday.

00:22:22.860 If I'm Gavin Newsom, I'm happy about that. I don't want to be the front runner a year and a half out.

00:22:27.800 according to the polls. This is why if I'm the vice president, I'm not that concerned that

00:22:31.280 Rubio is looking good in the polls right now. So yeah, this is not the time to be peaking.

00:22:37.020 You know, it's a little, this would be peaking a little bit too soon.

00:22:40.340 But I like the way that Trump is dealing with this too. One, he doesn't want to say this person

00:22:44.720 is definitely my successor because then he becomes a lame duck. How's he going to negotiate with 0.74

00:22:49.420 China or Iran or any of the other countries in the world if he does that? But two, he's saying,

00:22:55.440 look, nothing is set by impersonal forces. Nothing is totally set in stone because the

00:23:01.740 rules of the GOP say so. I'm the guy. Okay, I'm the guy acting in history right now. I,

00:23:08.400 Donald, am a great world historic figure. That's his claim. Whether it's true or not,

00:23:12.900 that's his claim. And I think there's some good evidence that it is true. 0.79

00:23:17.720 And so he says, look, we're going to play this thing out. We're going to see how it goes.

00:23:21.100 And it's very American in the sense that this lack of confidence in the certainty of the science of history or progressivism or whatever opens up a lot of opportunity.

00:23:31.060 He's saying, hey, even if things look kind of bad, you can do things.

00:23:34.160 You can do things.

00:23:35.060 You can succeed.

00:23:36.460 We can change the supposedly doomed outcome of our country, our empire, what have you.

00:23:42.300 You're really seeing this play out, by the way, in a congressional race in Kentucky, which we'll get to momentarily.

00:23:46.960 First, though, I want to tell you about why teens are drinking less and why that's actually a bad

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00:25:00.060 H-A-L-L-O-W.com slash Knowles for three months free. The percentage of 12th graders who have

00:25:07.560 ever concerned alcohol, high school teens, has collapsed. In 1975, 92% of 12th graders

00:25:16.480 had ever, ever consumed alcohol. Today, 2026, I guess these data really only go up to 2024,

00:25:27.060 just 47%. So it's cut in half, basically. That should be a good thing, right? Well,

00:25:33.960 I don't know. Hold on. Who had ever consumed alcohol? I was having a little bit of wine at

00:25:38.520 Christmas dinner when I was six years old. Okay. And maybe because I'm of Italian extraction,

00:25:42.360 that's a little more normal. I don't know. But I didn't go to ragers or keggers in high school.

00:25:47.260 It would sometimes be at parties where there was alcohol, but I didn't really indulge. But I would 0.72

00:25:51.480 have alcohol a little bit with my parents' understanding. I mean, I'd have a cigar when

00:25:59.280 I was a teenager. I don't know. My mother would let me have a little bit of cognac or a little

00:26:02.700 bit of wine. I don't know. Maybe that's unusual. But the point that my mother made was, one,

00:26:08.560 you're going to go to college soon and you need to know how to drink so it doesn't get away from

00:26:13.100 you and you end up in the hospital or something like that. But two, because alcohol is part of

00:26:19.360 social and festive culture. When you go to Christmas dinner, when you go to a holiday

00:26:24.080 and all the adults are having beer or wine, maybe they give you a little sip too to make you part

00:26:30.540 of that. It's a social right. And so even when you think of the bad or abusive drinking that

00:26:35.540 happens in high school, you know, parties and where the parents don't know, keggers, whatever. 0.97

00:26:42.040 Why would it be a bad thing that teenagers are drinking less?

00:26:47.240 Because it means that they're socializing less. That's obviously what it means.

00:26:50.900 Some people are arguing, well, no, you know, look, alcohol use has declined,

00:26:54.120 but marijuana use has skyrocketed. Yeah, there's a little evidence that marijuana is much more

00:26:58.120 popular than it used to be. But look at the marijuana chart. Same chart, or same institute,

00:27:03.420 the Institute for Family Studies, shows that in 1975, 1977, 56% of 12th graders had ever used

00:27:12.100 marijuana. Now, that had cratered down to only 33, 34% by 1992 because, by the way, the war on drugs

00:27:21.980 worked. One of the worst retconnings, revisions of history, is this idea that the war on drugs

00:27:27.060 never worked, which was promoted by the left and the libertarian right. And that's totally fake.

00:27:31.160 The war on drugs worked really, really well. We largely stopped people from doing drugs. The

00:27:35.840 people who continued to abuse drugs, we put in jail and society was better. Nevertheless,

00:27:41.180 we'll go down to the bottom in around 1992. Then it spikes up again in the 90s when we gave up on

00:27:47.080 the war on drugs, but now it's fallen down a little bit too. So now we're at 34%. So even

00:27:51.960 marijuana use has dropped among teens. Taken in isolation, I would think that's a good thing 1.00

00:27:56.540 because marijuana is not the most social drug. Sometimes people do it, they pass a bowl around

00:28:01.760 or something like that, but it's not, it doesn't make you a more extroverted. It's not a social

00:28:06.220 lubricant. If anything, it makes you more introverted. But the fact that marijuana use

00:28:10.100 has declined alongside alcohol use declining means this is not about people just becoming more

00:28:16.400 temperate or something like that. It's because kids are not socializing. The Atlantic reports

00:28:21.280 that face-to-face socializing among high school teens

00:28:24.200 has declined by over 45% between 2003 and 2022.

00:28:30.600 Exactly the same sort of rate

00:28:31.940 that you're seeing among marijuana use

00:28:34.100 and especially among alcohol use.

00:28:35.800 This is a real crisis because people need to socialize

00:28:38.780 because man is a social creature.

00:28:40.720 We're not just atomized individuals.

00:28:42.460 We're a social creature.

00:28:43.200 We need to socialize.

00:28:44.100 When we don't socialize in person

00:28:45.380 because we're not just virtual creatures,

00:28:47.400 we're not just spiritual creatures,

00:28:48.680 we're incarnate creatures too.

00:28:50.040 When we stop socializing in person, society breaks down because the definition of society

00:28:54.460 is people getting together. To say, to celebrate that alcohol use among teenagers has dropped

00:29:01.340 so precipitously is sort of like celebrating that peanut allergies declined in Nagasaki in 1945. 0.90

00:29:09.540 Like it's technically, it's true. And I guess that would be good. You don't want peanut allergies. 0.98

00:29:14.720 But the reason the peanut allergies declined in Nagasaki in 1945 is because we killed everybody. 0.88

00:29:19.740 To use a real-world example, not peanut allergies, there was this celebration five, six years ago that Iceland had eradicated Down syndrome. 0.97

00:29:28.880 And you say, well, that's a good thing.

00:29:29.800 Down syndrome is a difficult condition, and it causes all these problems for individuals.

00:29:34.120 But the reason that Iceland had eradicated Down syndrome is because they killed all the babies that had Down syndrome.

00:29:39.900 You say, well, that's kind of a Pyrrhic victory.

00:29:42.520 I wouldn't celebrate that.

00:29:44.060 We're not going to celebrate genocide or murder.

00:29:46.760 This is a big crisis.

00:29:48.020 we should all be hoping that the charts show that alcohol use among teenagers increases soon

00:29:55.960 because if people are not socializing face to face they're not having babies they're not being

00:30:03.220 well adjusted they're not getting to know their community they're not engaged civically they're

00:30:07.580 not if if if teenagers are not drinking alcohol and it's not being reflected in the data we're

00:30:14.160 going to have a lot more problems than 17-year-olds having hangovers the next day.

00:30:19.220 Okay, speaking of elimination, Thomas Massey facing a real challenge now in Kentucky. So

00:30:25.440 Thomas Massey is this libertarian favorite. The libertarians love him. And I've liked a lot of

00:30:32.420 what he's done over the years. I'm not totally anti-Massey. I'm not a libertarian, so I'm not

00:30:37.400 totally pro-Massey. And I got really irritated when he made this turn against Trump. He made

00:30:42.440 this turn. He decided he was going to pal around with Democrats more frequently. And so Trump said,

00:30:47.000 all right, you're out. You're out, guy. And I'm going to primary you. And at the time,

00:30:51.780 a lot of people said, look, you can primary someone like Adam Kinzinger. You can primary

00:30:55.420 someone like Liz Cheney, people who are not particularly popular with the base.

00:30:59.460 But Thomas Massey has a pretty loyal base of support, especially among his local constituents

00:31:05.420 and especially among the more libertarian side of the conservative movement. So I don't know,

00:31:09.980 you might be going a little far, President Trump. And right now, the Calci markets have

00:31:15.600 Massey's primary opponent at Galrain in the lead, 55% to 47. Now, it's changing by the minute. So

00:31:21.720 even as I'm saying this right now, it might have already changed. But you're seeing public opinion

00:31:26.180 polls showing this too. Qantas Insights reported that out of 908 respondents, Galrain, the primary

00:31:32.420 opponent, got 48.3% of the vote. Massey was over five points down at 43.1%, 7.6% undecided. So the

00:31:39.660 undecideds could decide it. And then among the undecided voters, 52.4% said they leaned toward

00:31:45.360 Galrain, Massey's primary challenger. On top of this, there is a new scandal that has supposedly

00:31:54.000 come out about Thomas Massey. This from Axios. Again, this is just days before a primary campaign,

00:31:59.700 so we need to take some big grains of salt here. But Axios reporting that an ex-girlfriend of

00:32:07.140 Thomas Massey, I guess from after his wife had died. His wife died somewhat recently,

00:32:10.480 and then an ex-girlfriend from after that period between his wife dying and his remarriage

00:32:15.740 is accusing him of offering her hush money because he got her a job with this other

00:32:21.940 congressman, Victoria Sparks, and then it didn't work out in that employment,

00:32:26.380 and then she didn't want to sign an NDA. So it was this, I don't know, it's very,

00:32:30.860 very complicated. It's not really related to any accusations of sexual impropriety

00:32:35.200 or sexual crimes or anything like that. I don't know. To me, this reads like a typical campaign

00:32:41.060 dirty trick. Both parties play it. That's just how politics goes. Nevertheless, I'm not really

00:32:46.420 interested in this supposed scandal with Thomas Massey or supposed hush money or any of that

00:32:51.280 stuff. What I'm interested in is, will Massey go down? A lot of outside money has flooded into the

00:32:57.760 race. And a lot of money specifically around the issue of pro-Israel or anti-Israel, because Massey

00:33:02.940 has taken more of an anti-Israel stance. And so a lot of pro-Israel donors have flooded money into

00:33:07.720 the race. But it's not just the Israel issue. To me, what's even more interesting than that is

00:33:11.940 what it comes down to over Trump saying, hey, you're out. You turned on me. You're not towing

00:33:18.320 the party line anymore. You're going a little bit rogue, Thomas Massey. You're palling around

00:33:22.440 with Democrat Ro Khanna. You're creating a lot of problems for the Republican political coalition

00:33:27.200 and for the White House. So I'm taking you out. And Thomas Massey says, come and get me, bro.

00:33:32.700 I'm really popular in my district. This is kind of the showdown as to whether or not

00:33:40.580 President Trump has an ironclad grip on the party. If Trump and Trump's political machine

00:33:47.240 can unseat Thomas Massey, it is indisputable that Trump and his coalition and his donors and his

00:33:56.580 voters and his everybody has an ironclad grip on the party. If Massey squeaks by and wins,

00:34:04.820 I think there's still a ton of evidence that Trump has a huge substantial hold on the GOP.

00:34:09.220 But it'll be a different thing. If Massey goes down, I don't see how anybody denies that Trump

00:34:16.600 has the GOP in a lock. It is just, it is his party. He took it over in 2016. He changed the

00:34:24.080 coalition. He grew the coalition and the GOP is him. Okay. Much more to get to. There is a wild

00:34:35.080 Democrat congressional primary going on right now where John F. Kennedy's grandson, Jack Schlossberg

00:34:41.200 is, I guess he's sort of the front runner, but the campaign is so bad. Even the New York Times

00:34:46.540 is calling it out, calling it a chaotic campaign with erratic behavior, staff turnover, questioning

00:34:53.680 defending young Mr. Schlossberg's readiness for office. And all of that has me really actually

00:34:58.740 just wanting to endorse Jack Schlossberg because it would be the funniest outcome in a solid

00:35:03.360 Democrat district. Anyway, well, maybe we'll get to that tomorrow. I also want to get to a kitchen

00:35:08.840 knife that now has a firmware update. We have to subscribe to everything now, including our knives.

00:35:12.520 What happens if you don't pay the subscription? It's going to jump off the counter and go right

00:35:16.840 at you, stab you in the chest. But speaking of Congress, we have an excellent, excellent guest, 0.99

00:35:22.480 one of my very favorite members of Congress coming on Ryler Moore to discuss an issue

00:35:25.980 that was denied during my Dartmouth debate with Mehdi Hassan a week ago. My favorite comment

00:35:31.720 yesterday is from Jessica Haggerty, Z8X, who says, unhoused, X, cross out, done. Untoothed, 0.86

00:35:40.660 check mark. That's where it's at. It's like the Drake meme. It used to be bums and vagrants and

00:35:46.700 indigents to refer to those people on the street. Then it became homeless, then it became unhoused,

00:35:50.900 but Karen Bass has changed it. It's now untoothed. They don't have teeth. That's why we need to give

00:35:56.320 your taxpayer money to give fake teeth to homeless, violent, schizophrenic methods. Of course,

00:36:02.260 it's political common sense. Speaking of political common sense, very, very pleased to be joined now

00:36:08.980 by one of my very, very favorite members of Congress. That would be West Virginia's Riley

00:36:13.540 Moore. Congressman Moore, thank you for coming on the show. Hey, Michael, thanks for having me on.

00:36:19.480 Look, I want to get your opinion on about a billion things. The first one, though,

00:36:25.440 pertains to me. The things that pertain to me are on the top of my mind. I was at Dartmouth last

00:36:30.260 week, and I was debating the left-wing pundit Mehdi Hassan. He used to have a show on MSNBC,

00:36:34.600 one of the leading left-wing pundits. And we were debating whether or not President Trump

00:36:39.620 has upheld the Constitution. I'm happy to say that I actually persuaded the Dartmouth audience.

00:36:44.680 Trump's constitutionality won the day, even in the Liberal Ivy League. It was all, it was,

00:36:48.620 because it was clear. It was the easiest case to argue in the world. Trump's obviously upheld

00:36:51.960 the constitution. There was this weird digression in the debate where Mehdi Hassan denied that there

00:36:59.980 was a genocide of Christians occurring in Nigeria. It was such a bizarre swerve. And it was really

00:37:08.100 shocking to me, actually. I thought, how could anybody deny this? And I know that among all the

00:37:12.220 excellent work you're doing on domestic issues, other foreign issues, you have really focused in

00:37:16.620 on the persecution of Christians in Nigeria. So much so that the president has focused on that

00:37:21.500 a little bit too. Just to settle the score, clear the record here. Is Mehdi Hassan right? There's

00:37:27.380 no genocide of Christians in Nigeria or what's going on? Mehdi Hassan is absolutely wrong.

00:37:34.740 And the interesting thing is this is the same narrative. I guess they just send out like

00:37:39.240 talking points to every liberal and it's like, hey, here's the new narrative. They're saying

00:37:43.060 the same thing in Congress. We had a hearing on this, and Jayapal and everybody else were denying

00:37:49.240 that there's any Christian genocide. They're trying to make it about this farmer-herder 0.99

00:37:54.780 violence, intercommunal conflict, when it's very clear what's happening. I've been to Nigeria. I

00:38:01.300 went there. We went there in a congressional delegation, investigated this issue because the

00:38:05.880 president asked me to do so. I can tell you, I've seen it with my own eyes. The investigation

00:38:12.700 that we undertook and the report that we presented to the president makes it very clear 0.84

00:38:17.800 what is happening in Nigeria is a Christian genocide. So I'll give you an example. In the 0.92

00:38:25.060 previous administration, Joe Biden, he kind of set the tone on this. He said, well, the violence is

00:38:32.060 actually, it's being precipitated by climate change. We have- I shouldn't laugh. It's too

00:38:39.720 dark, but the genocide is because of climate change? Well, that's why people are getting

00:38:45.380 killed because of climate change, because it's aerial land conflicts and herder farmer conflicts.

00:38:52.900 And so because of climate change, it's made it harder to grow crops and you graze cattle and 0.99

00:38:57.500 all these things, not due to the fact that there are Islamic terrorists just roaming the middle 0.96

00:39:04.260 belt of Nigeria and just murdering men, women, children, priests, nuns, everybody, because they 0.99

00:39:10.760 are Christian. They've burned down over 20,000 churches in Nigeria. We have well over 100,000 1.00

00:39:16.700 Christians murdered since 2009, and that just continues. Now, because of the work President 0.68

00:39:22.960 Trump has done, what we have done, we did see the administration over there in Nigeria start to move

00:39:30.280 in a positive direction, but it's kind of backslid right now. And I did come out with a

00:39:34.640 pretty forceful statement on it. But I can tell you as a fact, I met with people living in IDP 0.86

00:39:40.280 camps, internally displaced persons, Benway State, which is over 80% Christian. But 100%

00:39:47.240 of those camps are filled with Christians. So these Fulani Islamic militants, if it were about

00:39:54.340 land, why are they attacking refugee camps? I met a woman who had all five of her children

00:40:00.880 murdered right in front of her. I met another woman who had her two daughters and husband

00:40:06.340 murdered in front of her and they killed her unborn child. I mean, these are real horrific

00:40:13.380 genocidal crimes that are taking place in Nigeria that as Christians and you and I as Catholics, 1.00

00:40:19.140 we can't turn a blind eye to. We cannot turn a blind eye to this. And they're trying to smooth 0.89

00:40:25.620 this thing over as intercommunal violence or whatever it is. They can't take the narrative

00:40:31.040 that there are Islamic terrorists, Muslims running around murdering Christians. It is what's 1.00

00:40:37.360 happening. I've been there. It is exactly what is happening. Right. It's not the land. It's not the

00:40:44.080 sun monster. It's specific people. We were talking about this at the top of the show

00:40:48.200 when we were talking about Trump's trip in China, these two apparently different views of history,

00:40:54.280 China taking this much more structural science of history, Thucydides trap kind of view of history,

00:41:00.100 and then Trump taking the individual great man view of history. And you think, hey, guys,

00:41:04.940 it's not just the impersonal forces coming from the freaking sun. It's Islamic terror groups who 0.99

00:41:10.500 are killing Christians. Those are really specific groups for specific reasons. But then on the 0.99

00:41:15.020 on the question of America's role on the world stage, on America turning a blind eye or not

00:41:20.160 turning a blind eye, how are we to think about this? Because so much of the language of the

00:41:25.800 right, MAGA, America First, has been about focusing on domestic issues and getting out of

00:41:33.100 conflicts in the rest of the world. But then when you hear about an Islamic genocide of Christians 0.95

00:41:38.340 in Nigeria, I don't know, I think any person with a beating heart and a well-formed conscience says,

00:41:42.800 well, hold on, we have to do something here. We can't just totally look away from this.

00:41:46.980 So how should we be thinking of America's role in these conflicts?

00:41:50.920 Look, Michael, we're a Christian nation. We are 100%. We are a Christian nation. And I think we

00:41:56.440 have an obligation to do something here. These are our brothers and sisters in Christ that are

00:42:01.520 suffering for the profession of their faith in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. We have to do

00:42:07.000 something on this. And look, the president has designated them a country of particular concern

00:42:12.560 which opens up a bunch of levers in terms of sanctions and visa restrictions and all these

00:42:17.300 things we can do. He did send the terrorists a Christmas gift last year, 12 Tomahawk cruise

00:42:22.440 missiles. And I do believe that we are going to start to continue to engage in a more forceful

00:42:29.820 manner on this if the Nigerians can't figure this out. We had come to the table wanting to work with

00:42:36.020 them in cooperation and coordination to help stabilize their country. And someone will say,

00:42:40.560 well, you're only talking about the Christians. Yes, Muslims are being killed too. Of course they 0.99

00:42:44.920 are because some of them won't submit to ISIS. They won't submit to Boko Haram. And it's horrific. 0.70

00:42:50.820 Every life has value. It's terrible when anybody is murdered, but it is five to one Christians 1.00

00:42:58.000 being killed in that country versus Muslims in a country that is 50% Muslim, 50% Christian. So 0.67

00:43:03.340 the numbers bear it out. It all bears it out what's happening here. But we have a duty in my

00:43:09.380 you as a Christian nation to stand up for our brothers and sisters. Now, before I let you go,

00:43:14.620 Riley, there are so much more I want to talk to you about. I want to talk to you about the Middle

00:43:17.480 East. I want to talk to you about China. I want to talk to you about domestic issues, but I can't

00:43:20.980 let you go because we've been talking about so much of Congress today without asking what is

00:43:26.620 going to happen in the midterms. Obviously, there's a lot of focus on Thomas Massey's seat

00:43:32.360 in Kentucky, just north of me right here on that Republican primary. But then even more important,

00:43:36.960 what is going to happen for the GOP broadly, because I was sitting down with a mutual friend

00:43:43.900 of ours and your leader in the house, Mike Johnson. This was a couple months ago. And

00:43:48.460 Speaker Johnson said, Michael, I think we're going to grow the majority. I said, what's in

00:43:53.080 your coffee cup? Can I have whatever he's having? Can I get a shot of that too, please? That sounds

00:43:56.360 great. And I know it's sort of his job to be encouraging, optimistic and rally the troops.

00:44:00.420 But then, then I started to see the redistricting in Florida.

00:44:05.920 I saw the redistricting, obviously, in Tennessee following the Supreme Court decision in Louisiana

00:44:09.920 versus Calais, which struck down the Democrats' racist gerrymandering, which gave some seats

00:44:14.820 over to the GOP.

00:44:15.920 I saw the Virginia Supreme Court strike down the absurdly deceitful referendum, which duped

00:44:23.280 a bunch of Virginia voters into disenfranchising the Republicans.

00:44:26.360 All of a sudden, I'm saying, hold on.

00:44:27.680 the GOP might pick up potentially 14 seats in the House. Maybe I don't need to be such a doomer.

00:44:33.800 Where do we stand in the midterms? Well, you know, look, before they overturned that referendum

00:44:38.760 in Virginia, I was not feeling very optimistic. But, you know, you had that VRA getting struck

00:44:45.380 down. I'm feeling a lot better about it. So we're going to have a lot less seats that we're going

00:44:51.040 to have to defend, that we're going to have to defend in this upcoming election. Obviously,

00:44:55.180 look, history's against us in this. It has happened before, though. We're able to maintain

00:44:59.500 the majority. At the end of the day, you're talking about 15 seats. 15 seats are going to

00:45:04.020 decide the majority. And so we now have to play less defense and can go on more offense.

00:45:09.500 I feel cautiously optimistic is what I'd say right now. But it's going to be hard. This is

00:45:14.880 not going to be easy. This is not a slam dunk. This is going to be hard, but it's going to come

00:45:18.920 down to 15 seats. Maybe just we need like three or four more court decisions. Get rid of like

00:45:24.120 three or four more states and Democrat representation there. And then I'd feel

00:45:28.500 even better. Riley, wonderful to see you. We could go on for another hour. So I very much

00:45:34.500 look forward to having you back to talk about everything else.

00:45:38.140 No, thanks, Michael. God bless. Thank you.

00:45:39.960 Good to see you. Now, speaking of God's blessings, today is Theology Thursday,

00:45:44.660 and I'm very, very pleased to be joined by another friend of mine who has an important

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00:46:18.600 Martin Luther King Jr. is an American icon, widely considered one of the greatest Americans

00:46:23.120 who ever lived. A man who had a vision for a colorblind society, a post-racial America.

00:46:30.320 He had a dream, it's just not the dream you thought it was. Were his true aims a colorblind

00:46:35.760 society or something far more radical who bankrolled him? What unfolded behind the

00:46:41.200 scenes in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963? Was civil disobedience actually peaceful?

00:46:47.360 we wanted to show you a clip of the i have a dream speech but according to our lawyers we

00:46:53.720 can't in fact king's family has made a lot of money suing media outlets they want to silence

00:46:58.380 critics like us what they're doing makes it very difficult to judge martin luther king jr

00:47:02.920 not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character is america today stronger more

00:47:09.220 unified and racially equal than before king's rise these questions demand answers and as americans

00:47:15.500 we are entitled to a full accounting of the Civil Rights Movement and its consequences.

00:47:19.500 King's Movement fundamentally transformed our country and our system of government.

00:47:23.500 I speak as a citizen of the world.

00:47:26.500 Each day the war goes on, the hatred increases, though the cause of evil prosper.

00:47:33.500 First part of our two-part special on the Civil Rights Movement,

00:47:36.500 A New Constitution, available now on Daily Wire Plus.

00:47:45.500 When you travel well, your KLM Royal Dutch Airlines ticket takes you to more than just your destination.

00:47:52.500 It takes you to front row views, voices lost in the music and new shared memories.

00:47:59.500 And when the last song fades, the KLM Royal Dutch Airlines crew is here to ensure your journey home hits all the right notes.

00:48:10.500 KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, when you travel, travel well.

The Michael Knowles Show - May 14, 2026

Ep. 1974 - Xi Jinping Threatens WAR During Trump's Trip To China

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