The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 198 - Losing Is Really Winning!

00:00:00.000 Last night, Republicans won a hotly contested special election in Ohio,

00:00:04.340 putting a full five out of five candidates whom Trump endorsed over the finish line.

00:00:09.840 Meanwhile, Democrat superstar Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez strikes out,

00:00:14.700 losing four out of six endorsed races.

00:00:18.700 But don't worry, don't worry, it's okay.

00:00:20.640 Democrats and the mainstream media will explain to us how losing is really winning.

00:00:24.280 Then, Professor Edward Fazer joins to rebuff Pope Francis' recent creativity with Catholic doctrine and the death penalty.

00:00:31.920 The Oscars finally recognizes movies that people see, and CNN humiliates itself.

00:00:36.600 What else is new?

00:00:37.380 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:00:46.400 So much to get to today, and we have to figure out.

00:00:49.180 We need CNN to tell us how losing is winning, and war is peace, and up is down.

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00:02:11.660 So I'll be honest with you.

00:02:13.600 I'll make a little confession here.

00:02:15.540 I was out late on a school night last night.

00:02:17.840 I was.

00:02:18.740 I went to a local cigar bar.

00:02:21.180 I was at a friend's birthday party.

00:02:22.900 Had a couple Coca-Colas.

00:02:24.200 A few adult beverages, you know.

00:02:25.760 Anyway, I rolled into my apartment a little late last night.

00:02:29.000 Late enough to see the results of that hotly contested primary election in,

00:02:34.940 or the hotly contested special election in Ohio.

00:02:37.920 Now, what happens?

00:02:39.400 This is the headline that I see.

00:02:40.740 The main headline on Apple News, you know, takes up the whole screen and then a couple

00:02:46.060 below it.

00:02:46.620 Quote, too close to call, too close for comfort.

00:02:51.860 Trump's candidate appeared to eke out a razor thin win in Ohio, but signs of a widening Democratic

00:02:59.820 wave are coming into focus.

00:03:01.800 Read more at USA Today.

00:03:03.320 Then the next one right below that.

00:03:04.560 Republicans now realize how hard they'll have to fight in dozens of similar races to regain

00:03:11.200 control of the House.

00:03:12.700 Read more at BuzzFeed.

00:03:14.120 That's my whole screen.

00:03:14.940 I'm looking at Apple News.

00:03:16.100 And so I'm thinking, gosh, geez, that sounds like terrible news for, oh, no, it means that

00:03:20.520 the Republican won.

00:03:22.240 That's what that means.

00:03:23.360 I know that would be confusing because every single word they used was designed to make

00:03:27.740 it seem like the Democrat won.

00:03:29.260 But the Democrat lost.

00:03:30.340 The Republican won.

00:03:31.760 No automatic recount.

00:03:33.100 No, nothing.

00:03:34.040 Nope.

00:03:34.520 The Republican won.

00:03:35.420 This is what they do all the time.

00:03:37.620 Republican Troy Balderson beat Democrat Danny O'Connor.

00:03:40.920 The Democrats always run certain that they're going to win.

00:03:43.880 So you've probably read about this House race.

00:03:46.320 They've been pumping it up in the last few days.

00:03:48.280 This is the one, the sign of the blue wave.

00:03:50.580 Democrats are coming, baby.

00:03:51.940 And then they lose.

00:03:53.200 And then they pretend that losing is winning.

00:03:55.560 They did this.

00:03:56.060 Do you remember John Ossoff, that candidate?

00:03:59.160 And probably not.

00:03:59.860 But, you know, there was this candidate in Georgia and the Democrats said, like, John

00:04:03.880 Ossoff, he is the one.

00:04:05.540 This is the referendum on Trump.

00:04:07.220 Blue wave, baby.

00:04:08.400 Woo.

00:04:08.960 And then the election happens and he loses.

00:04:10.840 They're like, yeah, well, yeah, he lost.

00:04:12.480 But really?

00:04:13.560 Secretly?

00:04:14.400 Secretly, though?

00:04:15.300 He won.

00:04:16.760 Well, but the numbers, he lost.

00:04:18.860 But no, I know the numbers.

00:04:20.440 And the other guy, the other guy's going to Congress.

00:04:22.280 Yeah, no.

00:04:22.800 Yeah.

00:04:23.160 But secretly, though, it's a moral victory.

00:04:27.200 There's no moral victory.

00:04:28.640 When you win, you go make legislation.

00:04:31.880 And when you lose, you go home.

00:04:33.620 That's what happened.

00:04:34.220 That's what happened in Ohio.

00:04:35.580 The Republican won.

00:04:36.420 Ha, ha, ha.

00:04:37.340 So, right now, he's ahead 1,754 votes.

00:04:40.380 There are still provisional ballots.

00:04:41.800 There are still absentee ballots.

00:04:43.300 So, sure, anything could happen, right?

00:04:45.720 But there was no automatic recount triggered.

00:04:47.760 He won.

00:04:48.820 He won the night.

00:04:50.040 So, what they're doing now, they can't figure out how to really spin it that the Democrat won.

00:04:56.220 So, they're blaming the Green Party candidate for losing.

00:04:59.120 There's this Green Party candidate in this race, Joe Manchik.

00:05:02.520 And they're saying he got almost enough votes to spur a recount, an automatic recount.

00:05:09.560 The operative word here is almost.

00:05:11.060 He didn't get enough votes to spur an automatic recount.

00:05:15.140 Sorry.

00:05:15.960 But this is what they're saying.

00:05:17.500 I'm going to introduce this guy to you first.

00:05:20.080 And then I'll explain Democrats' bad strategy here.

00:05:23.800 Joe Manchik, Green Party candidate in Ohio, is from Hell, Michigan.

00:05:28.740 Fitting.

00:05:29.540 He says that his ancestors were aliens.

00:05:31.960 Quote,

00:05:32.220 My distant relatives originally came to planet Earth from a planet orbiting a star in the Pleiades star cluster located in the constellation of Taurus.

00:05:41.940 Which might make him an illegal alien.

00:05:44.680 I don't know.

00:05:45.400 Well, he probably has birthright citizenship.

00:05:47.060 But his ancestors may have been illegal aliens from outer space.

00:05:50.220 He says that he speaks 19 languages, including Spanglish and sheet music.

00:05:55.820 And a few others.

00:05:57.040 I don't even know that those are the two craziest.

00:05:59.060 Without further ado.

00:06:00.140 Green Party candidate in Ohio, Joe Manchik.

00:06:03.300 Okay, Joe, we're live.

00:06:05.160 Can you go ahead and introduce yourself?

00:06:07.600 Sure.

00:06:08.000 My name is Joe Manchik.

00:06:10.160 And I'm a Green Party candidate running for the U.S. House of Representatives in Ohio's 12th Congressional District.

00:06:16.420 This is the second time I'm running for a seat in the U.S. House in the 12th District in Ohio.

00:06:21.300 I was on the ballot in 2016.

00:06:23.620 And I got more than 13,000 votes.

00:06:26.140 And I'm doing it again this year.

00:06:28.140 To donate to your campaign or volunteer, do you have a website?

00:06:32.640 Yeah.

00:06:33.180 Yeah.

00:06:33.560 I definitely have a website.

00:06:34.880 And there's a donate page.

00:06:36.500 There's a link for the donate page at the top of the website.

00:06:39.680 You can just click on that link.

00:06:40.920 And it'll take you over to where you can use a credit card or a PayPal account or another kind of card.

00:06:49.380 What do you call those cards?

00:06:52.460 Debit card?

00:06:53.420 Yeah, that's the word I was looking for.

00:06:55.080 Debit card.

00:06:55.600 I don't have one of those, so I can't remember what it was.

00:06:59.560 Or you can mail a check to the campaign.

00:07:04.340 There's an address there where you can just drop a check in the mail.

00:07:06.780 We don't take corporate money, and if you send us any corporate money, we'll send it right back.

00:07:12.540 We don't want your corporate money.

00:07:14.520 We don't take money from corporations.

00:07:16.880 Nobody in the Green Party will take corporate money.

00:07:19.600 And we'll return it if we get corporate money.

00:07:22.800 So, you know, if you want to support my campaign, please send me a check from a personal account, and I'll gladly accept that.

00:07:31.280 Awesome.

00:07:31.980 And then can you tell us what that website is?

00:07:34.140 Off the top of my head, I don't remember.

00:07:38.640 Is it Manchik4Congress.wordpress.com?

00:07:46.740 Forward slash something.

00:07:50.120 Forward slash something.

00:07:52.280 That could be the new Democrat Party motto.

00:07:55.060 Forward slash something.

00:07:57.760 That's what they're doing.

00:07:59.180 That's their mantra these days.

00:08:00.560 So the best part of this, Joe Manchik, is the Democrats are complaining now because they're calling him a spoiler.

00:08:06.560 All of the mainstream media are calling him a spoiler, you know, and that's the press wing of the Democrat Party.

00:08:12.200 The Democrat operatives themselves are calling Joe Manchik a spoiler.

00:08:16.220 They're saying that all the votes that this guy got would have gone to the Democrat.

00:08:21.420 So just consider that for a second.

00:08:23.780 What you're admitting.

00:08:24.860 That's more of a confession, really, than an accusation.

00:08:27.440 What you're saying is that the guys who vote for the outer space alien who doesn't have a debit card, can't remember his campaign website.

00:08:35.820 That guy wearing, you probably couldn't see it, but a sort of ratty t-shirt with a peace sign on it.

00:08:40.440 That guy, they're in your constituency.

00:08:43.380 They're in your base.

00:08:44.100 They would have gone for your candidate.

00:08:45.700 I would probably, that's not a great long-term strategy.

00:08:49.060 So he's a spoiler.

00:08:50.140 I would say, no, he was a, no, they would have all voted for the Republican.

00:08:53.260 No way, sirree, would they vote for us.

00:08:56.060 Uh-uh-uh.

00:08:57.880 Really, really sad.

00:08:59.160 The other headline, the true headline that you could see in a few outlets today is, quote,

00:09:04.580 Democrat Party's liberal insurgency hits a wall.

00:09:08.500 And I don't want to say that I told you so.

00:09:10.280 Well, I do.

00:09:10.740 I do want to say that, and I want to take credit for it.

00:09:12.300 I did tell you this would happen, and I used that exact metaphor.

00:09:14.880 I don't remember if it was on this show or on another show that I was appearing on.

00:09:18.580 But I did point out that the Democrats, if they double down on this far-left Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez strategy, they are running right into a wall in the midterms.

00:09:28.180 This is not going to work.

00:09:29.920 Democrats could win in the midterms, but these socialista candidates ain't going to happen.

00:09:33.860 And the mainstream media seem to be picking up on that.

00:09:36.480 Maybe they watch this show.

00:09:38.300 Here's what happened among the really far-left candidates.

00:09:41.480 For Michigan governor, that was a race up last night.

00:09:44.380 Former state senator Gritchin Whitmer beat Abdul El-Sayed, a Muslim socialist who is a doctor.

00:09:51.360 He's endorsed by Bernie Sanders.

00:09:53.020 He's endorsed by these socialists.

00:09:54.880 He lost that race, the socialist Bernie-backed guy, by 20 points.

00:09:59.200 He lost that primary by 20 points.

00:10:00.760 He ended fourth in a five-way race.

00:10:03.300 Not great.

00:10:04.420 St. Louis Congressional, Congressman William Lacey Clay beat out a socialist Black Lives Matter activist, Cori Bush.

00:10:12.100 Cori Bush was endorsed by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, beat Cori Bush handily.

00:10:18.440 Ocasio-Cortez struck out broadly over the night.

00:10:20.620 Ocasio-Cortez endorsed six candidates going into these races.

00:10:24.120 She was flying all over to Michigan.

00:10:25.420 She's been flying all over the country for candidates.

00:10:27.680 She's been in California raising money.

00:10:29.480 And she struck out four out of those six candidates lost and turned out pretty well, pretty badly.

00:10:35.780 El-Sayed coming out fourth out of fifth, fourth out of five.

00:10:39.020 That's not really good.

00:10:40.940 Brent Welder lost.

00:10:42.340 She endorsed Brent Welder.

00:10:44.220 James Thompson won.

00:10:45.260 That's one of the candidates who won.

00:10:46.760 Rashida Tlaib won.

00:10:49.220 Rashida Tlaib could be the first Muslim congresswoman. 0.92

00:10:52.680 She is known exclusively for heckling Trump at an event once.

00:10:57.300 That is her only qualification to enter the U.S. Senate.

00:11:00.640 But she won.

00:11:01.260 She was one of the more radical candidates who won last night.

00:11:04.900 She's never held a job in her entire life.

00:11:07.240 She is a career politician.

00:11:08.860 If you look at her wiki page, it says early life in education.

00:11:12.240 Politics.

00:11:13.520 There's no, there's no nothing in between.

00:11:15.940 It's just early life straight into hackery politics.

00:11:19.980 Then there was another headline, another sort of exciting, unseen before candidate, unconventional.

00:11:26.360 The headline was, quote, possible first gay Native American woman in Congress wins, which is really a shocking headline because I had no idea that Elizabeth Warren was gay.

00:11:35.580 It never occurred to me that she, I don't know, she was married to a guy at one time.

00:11:40.380 So that's incredible.

00:11:41.180 Congratulations to you, Senator Liawatha Warren, for coming out.

00:11:44.940 No, I guess suppose there was another Native American woman who's actually Native American named Sharice Davids. 1.00

00:11:51.260 She was a White House fellow under the Obama administration.

00:11:54.140 She was endorsed, she was not endorsed by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

00:11:58.760 Ocasio-Cortez endorsed Brent Welder in that race and she won. 0.91

00:12:02.000 So that'll be another area where identity politics are, they're pouring that down your throats.

00:12:06.460 They're going to try to do something about that.

00:12:08.660 So, okay, they lost.

00:12:10.400 They just lost.

00:12:11.280 And in particular, the left wing of the Democrat Party lost last night.

00:12:14.620 So how are they spinning it?

00:12:15.660 They're spinning it and saying that, okay, sure, they lost the races, but their turnout was excellent.

00:12:23.240 Their turnout was way, way better, especially in Michigan.

00:12:26.500 So in Michigan, the GOP turnout was, turnout overall, by the way, was up.

00:12:30.080 But GOP turnout was up 24% and Democrat turnout was up 84%, something like that.

00:12:35.460 Some really high number.

00:12:37.440 GOP, the reason for this is that the GOP infighting is not like the Democrat infighting right now.

00:12:44.100 Just consider the stakes.

00:12:45.480 Right now, everything is going great for the country and the Republican Party is leading the country.

00:12:50.160 So everything is going great for the Republican Party.

00:12:52.500 Just going really, really well.

00:12:53.880 The economy, foreign affairs, domestic policy, it's all going great, other than our crazy spending.

00:12:58.460 But other than that, it's going very, very well.

00:13:00.160 So what are the Republicans fighting for?

00:13:01.960 Relatively low stakes.

00:13:03.360 We just have to fight to hold it in the general election.

00:13:06.140 The Democrats are fighting for the soul of their party.

00:13:08.560 They're still furious because Hillary stole that nomination from Bernie Sanders. 1.00

00:13:12.180 The Democrats stole that.

00:13:13.720 They played unfairly, at least.

00:13:16.080 I don't know.

00:13:16.720 If they played fairly, would Bernie have won?

00:13:18.780 I don't know.

00:13:19.940 Maybe not.

00:13:20.660 But they certainly played very unfairly with him.

00:13:23.140 And so they're fighting over this.

00:13:24.720 The progressive wing of the party versus the more centrist types.

00:13:28.560 And so that's why the numbers are up.

00:13:31.120 They are actually doing battle in their primaries.

00:13:33.680 The Republicans really aren't doing battle in their primaries.

00:13:35.740 So it doesn't, they're using this random statistic.

00:13:38.420 They always do this.

00:13:39.080 They just use a random statistic to try to prove their point, even when all the other facts disprove their point.

00:13:44.720 And they're doing this again.

00:13:45.980 It's pretty sad.

00:13:46.500 But we should get to the crazy Ocasio-Cortez of it all.

00:13:50.720 Although I might bring, do we have Professor Fazer on?

00:13:53.120 Is he ready to go?

00:13:53.940 Okay, he's not right.

00:13:54.560 Then we'll start talking about Ocasio-Cortez first.

00:13:57.000 The Ocasio-Cortez of it all is why the lefty Democrats are running up against the wall.

00:14:03.600 She's the reason.

00:14:05.780 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the future of the Democrat Party, according to Tom Perez, doesn't know anything. 0.99

00:14:12.140 She's crazy, she's crazy-eyed, and she doesn't know anything. 0.99

00:14:16.060 You know, you've got to remember, when you're talking about these races, four out of six losing last night, Tom Perez, the head of the DNC, said she is the future of the party. 0.98

00:14:27.440 Well, if she's the future of the party, the future of the party looks bleak.

00:14:30.800 It does not look very good for you, does it?

00:14:34.060 Because what's the future of the Republican Party?

00:14:36.420 Right now, the now is the future.

00:14:38.460 It's going very, very well.

00:14:39.820 But I don't know, perhaps the Democrats should consider a new future because Ocasio-Cortez does not seem to be a winner.

00:14:45.740 I'm going to get to her interview with Pod Save America in a second.

00:14:48.600 But first, I want to bring on Professor Edward Fazer.

00:14:52.560 Professor Fazer, are you on?

00:14:54.620 I am on.

00:14:55.340 Good.

00:14:55.680 Thank you so much for being here.

00:14:56.840 Professor Fazer is the author of By Man Shall His Blood Be Shed, A Catholic Defense of Capital Punishment.

00:15:03.900 He is the Associate Professor of Philosophy at Pasadena City College.

00:15:08.000 He's called by National Review one of the best contemporary writers on philosophy.

00:15:12.680 I'm sure you've read his columns before he's written about a zillion books.

00:15:16.200 Professor Fazer, we have talked a little bit this week on this show about Pope Francis' recent statements on the death penalty.

00:15:23.700 I share your views on the death penalty.

00:15:26.980 I rather like it.

00:15:27.880 I think hanging concentrates the mind.

00:15:29.900 I think it's rather justified.

00:15:32.000 How, first of all, before we even talk about this, what does Pope Francis' statement on the death penalty look like compared to 2,000 years of Catholic tradition?

00:15:41.660 Well, at the very least, it has to be said that the revision of the catechism that the Pope introduced last week is ambiguous.

00:15:51.980 On the one hand, there is the affirmation in the cover letter that accompanied the revision of the catechism issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which claimed that there's no contradiction with past teaching.

00:16:07.500 Okay, that sounds good.

00:16:09.160 But on the other hand, when you look at the actual text of the catechism, and the Pope uses language to the effect that the death penalty is what he calls an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person,

00:16:21.780 that certainly sounds like it's claiming that capital punishment is intrinsically evil, that it's wrong of its very nature.

00:16:28.540 And that would manifestly be in conflict with the traditional teaching of the Church, since you see precisely the opposite of that thesis,

00:16:37.180 affirmed consistently throughout Scripture, affirmed by Pope after Pope for 2,000 years,

00:16:43.220 affirmed in previous Church documents of a high level of authority, such as the Roman catechism issued by Pope St. Pius V,

00:16:50.680 and the two previous versions of the catechism issued by John Paul II, who, despite his own personal opposition to capital punishment and his personal hope that it be abolished,

00:17:01.600 consistently affirmed that it can be legitimate in principle and applied in practice, at least in very rare cases.

00:17:07.620 That was Pope John Paul II's view.

00:17:09.120 So Pope Francis's view seems to radically go beyond anything any previous pope has said, including Pope John Paul II.

00:17:16.720 Contradiction seems to, I emphasize.

00:17:19.100 Now, it would be nice to have some clarification of how what's being said now can be made consistent.

00:17:25.040 There's a claim that there's no contradiction, but as I've noted elsewhere, just to say there's no contradiction

00:17:29.780 doesn't explain how P and not P, or what seems to be P and not P, can be made consistent.

00:17:36.980 Of course. And you see this not just in the statements of popes and in other high level Church documents.

00:17:43.360 You'll see it from the writings of St. Paul, St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, all affirming the legitimacy of the death penalty. 0.92

00:17:52.560 And now we have something different. And correct me if I'm wrong.

00:17:54.740 Didn't Pope Francis elsewhere, in a more casual setting, say that the death penalty is contrary to the gospel?

00:18:01.860 He did. In fact, the statement you're thinking of was in a speech from last October,

00:18:06.060 where he first raised the possibility of revising the catechism.

00:18:09.800 And the language he used then was that capital punishment was, quote, per se, contrary to the gospel, unquote,

00:18:16.620 which certainly does seem to say that capital punishment is intrinsically wrong,

00:18:21.980 that it's intrinsically contrary to Christian morality.

00:18:24.400 Now, fortunately, the pope didn't use that sort of language in the catechism.

00:18:28.380 What you see in the revision, as I've said, it does seem to be very problematic,

00:18:33.800 but it's not quite as blatant or extreme as that remark that he made in October.

00:18:40.900 And if I can comment on that remark from October, some people have suggested,

00:18:45.120 well, maybe if you said that capital punishment is per se contrary to the gospel,

00:18:50.200 maybe you could make that consistent with the idea that it's not contrary to natural law.

00:18:53.700 Okay, so we could say that natural law allows it, but the higher demands of the gospel rule it out.

00:19:00.880 Well, I'm sorry, that won't work either, because pope after pope,

00:19:04.800 from Pope Innocent I, to Pope Innocent III, to Pius V, to Pius X, to John Paul II and herself,

00:19:13.040 they were all addressing specifically Christian audiences.

00:19:16.580 And in contexts like catechisms that were supposed to guide Christians,

00:19:20.080 they were supposed to guide Catholics, explicitly said that capital punishment can sometimes be used.

00:19:25.860 So even if you were to say that capital punishment was just contrary to Christian morality,

00:19:30.080 specifically to the higher demands of the gospel,

00:19:31.940 that would also be a contradiction with tradition, not merely a development.

00:19:35.360 Of course, and even the language used here in this revision to the catechism,

00:19:40.020 an attack on the inviolability of the dignity of the person,

00:19:43.460 it is very hard to read that and not conclude that the present pope believes

00:19:48.320 that the church has been teaching in error for two millennia.

00:19:51.260 My practical question then is, for Catholics who have a legitimate disagreement about capital punishment, 0.69

00:19:58.060 or who support capital punishment, or who read these statements from the pope

00:20:03.220 and say this doesn't seem to jive very well, how should Catholics react?

00:20:09.860 I'm always so loath to openly criticize the pope,

00:20:13.140 but certain things seem to breed total confusion or to be an error.

00:20:19.020 Yeah. Well, some Catholics who are well-meaning have a deep misunderstanding

00:20:23.700 of what the church says about the authority of a pope.

00:20:26.520 It's fairly well known that not everything a pope says is infallible.

00:20:32.480 So a lot of people realize that, but they still think that even when the pope doesn't teach something infallibly,

00:20:38.560 that you must, under absolutely every circumstance, go along with that.

00:20:42.440 That's not actually correct, and the church very recently, about 20 years ago,

00:20:48.360 under Pope John Paul II, made it clear in a document known as Donum Veritatis,

00:20:53.940 which discusses the duties of theologians,

00:20:56.840 it allowed that a church document could be deficient in different ways,

00:21:02.300 and that Catholic theologians had the right and sometimes even the duty

00:21:06.140 to respectfully raise criticisms, to point out problems.

00:21:11.800 Now, there couldn't be any clearer problem with a document.

00:21:15.120 There couldn't be any clearer case of a deficiency than a magisterial document,

00:21:20.000 a church document, seeming to contradict 2,000 years of past teaching,

00:21:24.320 because after all, the church has repeatedly said that popes have no authority to introduce new doctrines.

00:21:29.900 When the First Vatican Council declared the infallibility of the pope,

00:21:33.500 it explicitly said this, that the pope has no authority to make up something new,

00:21:37.860 but only to preserve and safeguard what has been passed on.

00:21:40.840 And you can refine what's been passed on, you can draw out implications from it,

00:21:44.800 but you can't reverse it, you can't contradict it.

00:21:47.600 And Pope Benedict XVI famously reaffirmed this and argued for what he called a hermeneutic of continuity,

00:21:53.820 always interpreting present teaching in light of the past, in consistency with the past.

00:22:01.260 So the church allows, when a pope or anyone else says something that appears to be in actual contradiction with tradition,

00:22:11.340 the church allows theologians to raise respectful criticisms,

00:22:16.300 and to ask the church to reaffirm continuity with tradition.

00:22:19.660 You know, I'm reminded, I think Chesterton said that heresy is not the promotion of vice over virtue,

00:22:26.420 it's the promotion of one virtue to the exclusion of the others, you know,

00:22:29.940 mercy to the exclusion of prudence or justice, for instance, in this case, perhaps.

00:22:36.700 Very broadly, for people who are unaware or who are divided over the death penalty,

00:22:41.620 I know Catholics who are quite personally opposed to the death penalty,

00:22:45.000 even if they don't think it's anti-gospel.

00:22:46.440 Conservatives who are opposed to the death penalty because they believe that the state shouldn't have the power to kill people.

00:22:53.520 What do you see, if you can give a 30,000-foot view,

00:22:57.860 as the support for the death penalty and the support for what the pope seems to be saying now from scripture or tradition?

00:23:06.600 Yeah. Well, what you find in scripture and tradition,

00:23:11.020 and my co-author Joseph Bissett and I in our book,

00:23:13.580 By Man Shall His Blood Be Shed, which is a Catholic defense of capital punishment,

00:23:17.500 what we demonstrate is that you find in the tradition of the church

00:23:22.020 a middle ground position between two extremes.

00:23:26.240 On the one extreme is the claim that capital punishment is of its very nature intrinsically evil.

00:23:31.080 The church has definitively ruled that out consistently.

00:23:34.360 On the other extreme would be the view that you must always, absolutely always,

00:23:38.280 inflict on someone the penalty that he or she deserves, including death.

00:23:42.480 Well, the church has always rejected that as well.

00:23:44.820 There may be cases where someone deserves a punishment, even capital punishment,

00:23:48.520 but there might nevertheless be reasons why you should refrain from giving the person what he deserves.

00:23:54.720 It might even be moral reasons why you might do that.

00:23:57.100 So the church has never insisted that you must always inflict capital punishment on someone who deserves it.

00:24:02.640 But between those two extreme positions, the church has always allowed Catholics freely to discuss this issue.

00:24:08.780 And at some points in church history, the tendency has been to advocate for rarely, if ever, using capital punishment.

00:24:16.080 That was true in the earliest centuries of the church and in recent decades.

00:24:20.460 For most of the history of the church, the tendency was to think that capital punishment could be used in a fairly wide variety of cases.

00:24:26.340 Now, I think that what's happened, I think this is especially true of Pope St. John Paul II,

00:24:32.700 is that some 20th century governments have been so brutal, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union come to mind,

00:24:39.180 or communist China under Mao Zedong, for example, were so brutal.

00:24:43.700 And the Pope John Paul II, of course, had direct experience of those regimes,

00:24:48.380 that I think there was a tendency to want to pull away from an emphasis on retributive justice

00:24:54.780 and focus instead on rehabilitation and so forth.

00:24:58.300 And you could certainly make that case.

00:25:01.180 But one of the things we argue in our book is that it's possible to go too far in that direction.

00:25:05.520 And if you go too far and you start condemning capital punishment in these extreme terms,

00:25:10.480 describing it as a violation of human dignity and so forth,

00:25:13.160 then you start to lose the other side of the tradition.

00:25:17.340 And indeed, you start to lose sight of the very idea that there's such a thing as getting one's just desserts,

00:25:22.800 that there is a cosmic moral order that's upset when we don't let the punishment fit the crime.

00:25:28.520 We don't let it ever fit the crime and so forth.

00:25:30.500 We lose sight of that.

00:25:32.040 And of course, there's also this danger in the Catholic context of seeming to sever the tradition entirely from its origins,

00:25:38.120 sever current teaching from its origins.

00:25:41.600 Of course, if the Catholic... 0.74

00:25:43.120 I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:25:44.180 Yeah.

00:25:45.140 Well, I was just going to add, what often gets lost in this discussion also is that

00:25:49.480 Catholics who discuss this issue and who oppose capital punishment routinely speak as if it were uncontroversial,

00:25:57.320 that we could take it for granted that capital punishment has no deterrence effect

00:26:01.020 or that it's not important for protecting individuals from aggressors.

00:26:06.700 And we argue in the book that's simply not the case.

00:26:08.720 For one thing, if you're going to say that modern prison systems are sufficient to keep people safe from the most dangerous criminals and so forth,

00:26:19.400 well, at best, you could say that's true in developed countries, in Europe and the United States and Canada and places like that.

00:26:25.440 There are a lot of undeveloped areas of the world, third world countries, where that's not the case,

00:26:29.360 where you don't have adequate prison systems to keep people safe.

00:26:36.900 You've got, for example, the famous escapes of El Chapo in the Mexican drug law.

00:26:41.780 Obviously, the prison system there was not sufficient to keep people safe from this murderous person.

00:26:46.440 That's just one example.

00:26:47.760 But, of course, even in developed countries, a murderer who's in prison for life can still pose a danger to prison guards.

00:26:55.780 Prison guards sometimes get murdered by these people.

00:26:57.980 Other prisoners, sometimes an organized crime figure, might call in an assassination from within prison to outside prison walls.

00:27:06.700 We argue that there's considerable evidence that capital punishment has deterrence value.

00:27:11.620 So if you get rid of it, you're risking innocent lives.

00:27:13.480 And it also provides an important tool for prosecutors in plea bargaining.

00:27:18.020 You might get someone who's on trial who doesn't want to give information about his accomplices or information about other crimes.

00:27:24.800 And if you tell him, look, we could seek the death penalty for you, but we won't if you play ball and give us information about these other things,

00:27:31.280 sometimes they're willing to do that.

00:27:32.960 Whereas if you take the death penalty off the books, you no longer have that option.

00:27:36.440 And once again, innocent lives will be in danger.

00:27:38.860 So we really care about protecting the innocent.

00:27:40.680 We can't just dismiss capital punishment cavalierly on the basis of vague slogans about human dignity and so forth that that would also contradict the tradition of the church in any case.

00:27:51.600 We are awash these days in politics in vague slogans from at least one side of politics.

00:27:58.300 And it's really upsetting because it seems to me that the people who are rallying most and most vociferously to get rid of capital punishment couldn't possibly tell you why we have capital punishment to begin with.

00:28:10.060 They couldn't explain it.

00:28:11.660 They couldn't defend it, which is usually a good sign that they don't know what they're talking about.

00:28:15.400 An excellent book, though, By Man Shall His Blood Be Shed, A Catholic Defense of Capital Punishment.

00:28:21.140 Professor Fazer, I'll have to let you go, but we will have to have you come back because it is a great relief as a conservative and certainly as a Catholic to have a little clarity in these days when there is so much confusion going around.

00:28:32.600 Thank you very much for having me on.

00:28:35.800 Thanks for coming.

00:28:36.460 Okay.

00:28:38.260 All right.

00:28:38.780 We've got to get back.

00:28:39.560 We've got to get back to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

00:28:42.760 Do I have time to go through Cortez before I sign off Facebook?

00:28:45.360 Am I allowed to?

00:28:46.580 Will you give me?

00:28:47.340 Okay.

00:28:47.660 I'm doing it.

00:28:48.880 Tough.

00:28:49.420 Too bad.

00:28:50.040 I'm doing it.

00:28:50.620 Here we go.

00:28:52.380 Don't say I never did nothing for you, people.

00:28:54.300 So Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, this is just too good to miss.

00:28:57.700 She just did an interview on Pod Save America.

00:29:00.680 You know, that's the one where all those soy swallowing, you know, they're just devouring soy products during their podcast.

00:29:10.460 They're the ex-Obama bros who do this show where their take on politics is to say the F word in a really whiny voice.

00:29:17.460 And that's somehow political analysis and insight.

00:29:19.620 Anyway, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez goes on Pod Save America, and you don't need Ali Stuckey for this. 1.00

00:29:27.800 She made an even bigger fool of herself. 0.94

00:29:29.580 Here is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. 0.98

00:29:49.620 I'm sorry, that was my mistake.

00:30:02.860 I put Ocasio-Cortez's interview on in the original Russian, but I should do the English translation.

00:30:09.320 We will bury you. 0.65

00:30:10.800 We will bury you. 0.96

00:30:12.380 Do we have the English version of Ocasio-Cortez?

00:30:15.860 We don't talk about what defense costs.

00:30:17.620 We're about to hit a trillion dollars in debt because of the corporate tax cuts.

00:30:20.860 Yet, when we talk about pre-K, health care, college, suddenly it's unrealistic because of costs.

00:30:25.680 And it's not just bad faith Republicans that make that argument.

00:30:27.820 You hear it from Democrats as well.

00:30:29.660 What's your response to that?

00:30:30.900 Well, I think it's that same exact thing.

00:30:33.020 It's that we, you know, they say, how are you going to pay for it?

00:30:38.120 As though they haven't used these same ways to pay for unlimited wars, to pay for trillion dollar tax cuts and tax cut extensions.

00:30:46.780 They use these mechanisms to pay for these things all the time.

00:30:51.740 They only want to know.

00:30:53.280 It just seems like their pockets are only empty when we're talking about education and investing in human capital in the United States.

00:30:58.880 Education, health care, housing, and investing in the middle class.

00:31:03.020 Yeah, I just want to pause it there.

00:31:05.400 Did you catch that phrase she used, human capital?

00:31:08.600 Michael, I don't know about you.

00:31:10.780 I get a chill up my spine.

00:31:12.500 I get a little nervous.

00:31:13.960 Start sweating a little bit when a socialist starts talking about human capital.

00:31:18.020 Like I'm just a commodity.

00:31:19.460 Like I'm a pure product.

00:31:20.700 And no, Michael, it's all right.

00:31:21.720 We're going to use your human capital in a different way.

00:31:24.380 Da, da, we will use your human capital.

00:31:26.560 Da.

00:31:27.180 No, thank you, ma'am.

00:31:28.260 No, please don't use me.

00:31:29.280 They do this all the time.

00:31:30.220 The left talks about people like they're animals or commodities or just masses of flesh to be used however they see fit.

00:31:37.100 Because that is true.

00:31:37.960 They say, okay, doctors, you're going to do what we tell you to do.

00:31:40.240 Okay, you workers, you're going to do what we tell you to do.

00:31:42.500 And hey, give us all your money.

00:31:43.740 We'll give you back a little bit.

00:31:44.800 Don't worry.

00:31:45.320 We know what's best.

00:31:46.840 Human capital.

00:31:47.740 Just a little use of that.

00:31:49.640 It's another turn of phrase that the left uses all the time, which is really terrifying and wicked.

00:31:54.680 She goes on.

00:31:55.260 For me, I think it belies a lack of moral priority.

00:32:01.700 And it's unfortunate.

00:32:04.240 I think that.

00:32:05.180 But I also think a lot of these folks, especially those, I think, perhaps on the Democratic side, perhaps they don't even see it.

00:32:11.760 You know, I don't know.

00:32:13.320 I don't know if that's a generous interpretation or not.

00:32:15.980 But I legitimately think that they start kind of buying into conservative talking points.

00:32:22.380 They get dragged into their court all the time.

00:32:26.420 And I think it is because there's this really myopic and also just misunderstanding of politics as this flat, two-dimensional left-right thing.

00:32:39.520 And so they always feel like, okay, the right says this thing.

00:32:42.560 We have to respond to it.

00:32:44.220 And that's why they're winning.

00:32:50.240 What?

00:32:50.760 What was that?

00:32:52.460 What was any of that?

00:32:53.600 The question was, how are you going to pay for it?

00:32:56.260 How are you going to pay for it?

00:32:59.760 So let's just go through her stream of consciousness.

00:33:04.680 How are you going to pay for it?

00:33:05.840 I had French toast for breakfast this morning with maple syrup.

00:33:08.520 And maple syrup comes from Vermont, which is in the northeast of America.

00:33:11.700 And when you cross the Atlantic Ocean, you get to Britain.

00:33:14.800 And Britain has two syllables.

00:33:16.320 And two is the number after one.

00:33:17.880 Are you ever going to acknowledge?

00:33:18.940 So the question she's asked, how are you going to pay for your crazy socialist programs?

00:33:24.400 Here is her stream of thought in real time.

00:33:26.660 I'll try to clean it up a little bit from the ums and the ahs and the I don't knows.

00:33:29.720 She says, the same mechanisms as we use to pay for unlimited wars and tax cuts.

00:33:37.900 So I think when she's talking about unlimited wars, I think she's talking about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which have gone on for 17 years.

00:33:43.560 According to the CBO, the total costs of those wars over 17 years, $2.4 trillion.

00:33:48.680 $2.4 trillion.

00:33:51.080 That makes it $141 billion per year.

00:33:55.140 What is the cost of her Medicare for all plan, her socialist health care plan?

00:33:59.020 $3.2 trillion per year.

00:34:02.120 $3.2 trillion per year versus $141 billion per year.

00:34:06.560 So her program, just that one program, by the way, not all of her programs, just that one, will cost 22.7 times more than the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

00:34:18.460 In fact, it'll cost significantly more per year than the entire cost of both the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:34:27.440 So I don't think that's going to work.

00:34:28.420 What's the cost of tax cuts?

00:34:29.560 There's no cost of tax cuts.

00:34:31.040 There's no cost of tax cuts.

00:34:32.260 It's just letting people keep more of their money.

00:34:34.780 That's not a cost.

00:34:35.580 That's not a payout.

00:34:36.940 That's not giving somebody money.

00:34:38.380 It's not taking as much of the money as you previously had taken.

00:34:42.500 That's what a tax cut is.

00:34:43.680 So, okay, 22.7 times more expensive than Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

00:34:47.880 But, you know, look, she's not the expert.

00:34:50.660 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, she's not the expert on math or anything else. 0.99

00:34:54.120 Next, she mumbles incoherently about scarcity.

00:34:57.080 She just says, she uses the word scarcity in, she juxtaposes it next to other words.

00:35:03.160 She doesn't say anything.

00:35:03.720 She then says America has a lack of moral priority, which is unfortunate.

00:35:08.320 She then uses the word folks, so you know that she's a Democrat. 0.96

00:35:11.060 She says, folks, Democrat folks, they don't see it.

00:35:14.540 She says, I don't know.

00:35:16.260 Then she says Democrats buy conservative talking points.

00:35:19.260 Democrats are myopic.

00:35:20.640 I can agree with that one.

00:35:21.580 I agree with one thing she said.

00:35:23.220 She says there's a flat understanding of politics.

00:35:25.360 Flat, you know, like a left-right thing, man.

00:35:27.520 It's just really, you know, man, it's flat.

00:35:29.600 And that's why Republicans win and Democrats don't have a strong message.

00:35:34.840 Truer words have never been said.

00:35:36.880 Democrats don't have a strong message.

00:35:38.920 I count like 10 bullet points there.

00:35:41.820 Not once did she even attempt to answer the question.

00:35:45.780 She said a slogan about war and tax cuts.

00:35:50.400 At no point did she attempt to answer the question, how are you going to pay?

00:35:52.920 Why?

00:35:53.220 Because obviously she doesn't know.

00:35:54.580 She can't.

00:35:55.140 There's no way to pay for all this crazy stuff unless you become just a full-on socialist country,

00:35:59.800 which is probably what she wants.

00:36:00.980 And even then, the money is certainly going to dry up because in socialism,

00:36:03.940 eventually you run out of other people's money.

00:36:05.580 We have a lot more to get to.

00:36:07.180 I want to talk a little bit more about her and the Oscars change.

00:36:10.780 And a final word on Alex Jones.

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00:36:33.000 Blah, blah, blah.

00:36:34.820 Ooh, is that?

00:36:37.560 Oh, you know what this is?

00:36:38.580 This is the Ohio special election for...

00:36:41.780 Mm, mm-hmm.

00:36:43.400 Mm.

00:36:44.580 What's that taste?

00:36:45.220 It tastes like Democrats saying that they secretly won, but they didn't.

00:36:49.100 They lost.

00:36:49.460 That's what it tastes like.

00:36:50.200 That's just really good.

00:36:51.720 Mm-hmm.

00:36:52.820 It tastes like five out of five Trump-endorsed candidates winning

00:36:55.100 and four out of six Alexandria Ocasio-endorsed candidates losing.

00:36:58.660 That's what it tastes like.

00:36:59.260 It tastes really good.

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00:37:03.640 We'll be right back.

00:37:04.160 Okay, and our final moments together here today,

00:37:17.780 I do want to talk about the change to the Oscars.

00:37:20.820 So the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences

00:37:23.420 has finally realized that people don't like them very much

00:37:27.380 and don't watch the awards shows and really don't watch the movies.

00:37:29.940 So they've announced some major changes to the awards show.

00:37:32.780 Last year, the Oscars telecast was down 19% in views.

00:37:39.660 Huge.

00:37:40.240 Almost 20% down in viewership.

00:37:42.240 And that was down over the previous year, which was a nine-year low.

00:37:46.980 Nobody is watching this telecast anymore.

00:37:49.080 So they have to do something.

00:37:50.300 They've announced a few plans.

00:37:52.040 They're going to shorten the telecast.

00:37:53.820 They're going to take some of the awards for like assistant deputy sound editing pogo stick jumper.

00:38:01.340 And they're going to put that during the commercial breaks

00:38:04.260 and then truncate it for the end because no one watches those awards.

00:38:08.380 We'll see.

00:38:09.160 The guilds are going to be very upset about that.

00:38:10.680 But we'll see what happens there.

00:38:11.860 The big change is that there's a new category.

00:38:14.380 The new category is for outstanding achievement in popular film.

00:38:20.380 Now you might be asking, well, there's an award for best motion picture, right?

00:38:25.500 Yes, there is.

00:38:26.720 But now we know, per the Andrew Klavan theory of art forms, that movies are done.

00:38:33.000 Movies are done.

00:38:33.540 Drew can talk about it more on his show, but his basic theory is that when art diverges

00:38:39.800 and you've got two categories, when you've got the categories that the critics and the artists like

00:38:43.960 and the category that the people like, then it's dead.

00:38:47.300 It's just totally separated and it's dead.

00:38:49.040 And that's what you're seeing here.

00:38:50.180 I mean, it's so spitting in the face of these popular filmmakers and of their audience. 1.00

00:38:55.720 They're saying, oh, well, not everybody will watch Moonlight because they're so stupid. 1.00

00:39:00.820 They won't even watch Moonlight. 1.00

00:39:02.420 So, okay, we'll give one to Star Wars or something.

00:39:05.880 And they're just, they're separating this category.

00:39:07.940 It means it's dead because there is now a categorical distinction between movies that people watch

00:39:12.920 and movies that are considered artistic.

00:39:16.340 They're considered great movies that absolutely nobody watches.

00:39:20.380 Here is an example of this.

00:39:22.020 Because you know what the popular movies are.

00:39:23.820 It's the Marvel movies.

00:39:25.040 It's Star Wars.

00:39:25.960 It's whatever.

00:39:26.740 Not the last Star Wars, but the other Star Wars.

00:39:28.660 Those are popular.

00:39:29.400 And then the other movies, they're like Moonlight.

00:39:32.080 You know, they're the ones about like, it's always about like lesbian cowboys or something 1.00

00:39:35.920 and nobody's going to go watch it.

00:39:37.680 30 Rock saw this coming years and years ago.

00:39:40.800 Here is Tracy Jordan making his Oscar bait movie, the movie that wins best picture, hard to watch.

00:39:48.240 I'll go to jail in Deshaun's place because he's my brother.

00:40:01.200 Don't say nothing.

00:40:03.000 Sometimes you got to do the right thing.

00:40:05.980 Even when the wrong thing is a whole lot easier.

00:40:10.200 Now let's just have one last happy dinner together.

00:40:13.560 As a family.

00:40:18.240 Your mother exploded.

00:40:36.920 That's it.

00:40:37.760 That is every best picture winner probably since Lord of the Rings Return of the King.

00:40:42.920 Which was 15 years ago at this point, right?

00:40:45.140 I think it was 2003.

00:40:46.180 They're just called hard to watch.

00:40:49.820 I'm going to win my Oscar.

00:40:51.120 Nobody's going to watch this movie, but it's hard to watch.

00:40:53.340 That's it.

00:40:53.760 That's what they're going to do.

00:40:54.660 So now they have the popular movie category.

00:40:57.920 It's really sad.

00:40:58.980 I guess it's good that popular movies now will be shown at the Oscars, but it's too little too late.

00:41:04.120 You're admitting that the people who watch the Oscars and the people who go to movies,

00:41:08.540 those few people who still go to tentpole movies, they're just different.

00:41:12.140 They're just, they've broken apart.

00:41:13.260 It's over.

00:41:13.760 They're trying to put the genie back in the bottle.

00:41:15.440 It's not going to happen.

00:41:16.320 Too late.

00:41:16.820 Sorry.

00:41:17.380 Ha ha.

00:41:18.020 Sad.

00:41:18.640 Sad for Hollywood.

00:41:20.360 Okay.

00:41:20.960 Before we go, I've got to talk about Alex Jones again.

00:41:23.120 Because why wouldn't I? 0.99

00:41:24.200 Those frogs are still going gay. 1.00

00:41:26.320 They're still, they haven't even, we need a little conversion therapy for those frogs. 0.99

00:41:29.680 Maybe now.

00:41:30.300 That's going to, that's what this is really all about.

00:41:32.040 So, there is a piece in CNN titled, We Need to Talk About Alex Jones.

00:41:38.620 No, you don't, but sure, go on.

00:41:40.580 They, there is some unbelievable stuff in here.

00:41:43.240 The first writer, it's just a series of columnists giving their opinion of Alex Jones.

00:41:47.900 And, you know, should people be censored for having unpopular or wacky points of view?

00:41:52.420 Or, should we allow free expression?

00:41:55.700 The answer, if you're an American, is the latter.

00:41:58.500 That is the answer.

00:41:59.360 But, these people are clearly anti-American.

00:42:01.960 So, the first one, Rafia Zakaria says, quote,

00:42:05.600 The stripping of Infowars from Facebook, Apple, and other platforms is an important step in the recognition of nativist, nationalist, and white supremacist hate speech as a form of terrorism.

00:42:17.360 So, first of all, I didn't know that Alex Jones, the shirtless vitamin salesman, is a white supremacist.

00:42:21.720 I don't see any evidence of that whatsoever.

00:42:25.460 But, they just throw these words around, right? 0.96

00:42:27.480 I mean, you had those, those little white girls the other day shouting through a bullhorn at Candace Owens, a black woman, and saying, F white supremacy. 1.00

00:42:35.000 White, white girls telling a black woman what to do and yelling at her for not behaving. 0.97

00:42:40.380 That's white, that's fighting white supremacy, right? 0.99

00:42:42.720 No, of course not. 0.96

00:42:43.360 That is white supremacy.

00:42:44.720 But, see what they do.

00:42:45.680 They say that speech is a form of terrorism.

00:42:47.700 They use the word hate speech, the phrase hate speech, which doesn't mean anything.

00:42:51.300 There's no meaning to hate speech.

00:42:53.100 There's speech.

00:42:54.240 There's no legal hate speech.

00:42:56.480 There's no constitutional provision against hate speech.

00:43:00.000 They just hate speech is, for the left, speech that they disagree with.

00:43:03.240 But then they're saying that speech is a form of terrorism.

00:43:05.680 Listen to that.

00:43:06.500 I mean, that is some wacky stuff.

00:43:08.080 If it's terrorism, man, they can waterboard you to stop you from talking, right?

00:43:12.580 There is no limit.

00:43:14.280 You are not, your speech is no longer protected by the Geneva Convention.

00:43:17.600 You cannot talk, man. 1.00

00:43:19.540 Shut up. 1.00

00:43:20.240 That's what she's saying. 1.00

00:43:20.880 She's saying, shut up or we're going to waterboard you. 1.00

00:43:23.060 We're going to bring you to Gitmo and torture you. 1.00

00:43:24.800 That's what they're saying. 0.93

00:43:27.120 That wasn't even the craziest thing.

00:43:29.880 It was pretty wacky.

00:43:30.820 Josh McWhorter, writing in that same CNN article, says,

00:43:33.740 Some speech must lose its freedom.

00:43:35.880 In our advanced conception of a nation, the idea that anyone should be able to air any thought they have.

00:43:43.080 Just a side note.

00:43:44.740 Anyone is not they. 1.00

00:43:46.980 Anyone is he.

00:43:47.900 It's a singular, it's not a plural word, right?

00:43:51.080 It's he.

00:43:52.040 And he is the gender neutral pronoun.

00:43:53.840 I'm sorry.

00:43:54.300 This is a minor point on language.

00:43:55.900 Not they.

00:43:56.460 There's no singular they.

00:43:57.720 Give me a break.

00:43:58.740 Did you, did this guy, did Josh McWhorter fail, or rather, John McWhorter fail the second grade?

00:44:04.300 Not good.

00:44:04.940 So, whether they have, whether real insight or not, has a gut level appeal.

00:44:11.100 A hundred years ago, an Alex Jones could only have reached most people via quiet printed pages written in formal prose.

00:44:20.120 Okay.

00:44:20.700 So, they always do this.

00:44:21.720 They always say, we're in the advanced stage now.

00:44:23.800 We're in the advanced stage of the nation.

00:44:26.380 This is not the old stuff that we did in the old nation. 0.85

00:44:28.620 That's over.

00:44:29.260 Forget the old stuff.

00:44:30.140 It's the new stuff now.

00:44:31.260 We're not in an advanced stage.

00:44:32.560 We're in a nation.

00:44:33.440 You're not that advanced.

00:44:34.660 Definitely, John McWhorter's not advanced.

00:44:36.160 He doesn't know how to use pronouns.

00:44:37.740 He's not, this is not, there's no, but they always say it's so advanced now.

00:44:40.440 All the things that have always been true throughout human history, they're not true anymore.

00:44:43.380 Because those guys weren't advanced.

00:44:44.640 We're advanced.

00:44:45.360 They do this when they want to redistribute wealth, when they want to change the nature of business,

00:44:49.220 when they want to change the relationship of the state to the individual.

00:44:51.820 They always, they say, no, we're advanced now.

00:44:53.460 Forget the old stuff.

00:44:55.620 That's one point.

00:44:56.780 The other point where he's just not quite right is the idea that in the old days,

00:45:00.760 nobody could communicate with anybody.

00:45:03.400 You know, the Protestant Revolution began because of the printing press.

00:45:06.480 Martin Luther wrote a little note, and it spread like wildfire throughout all of Europe,

00:45:10.540 certainly throughout all of Germany.

00:45:13.040 The Lincoln-Douglas debates, you know, the Lincoln-Douglas debates would have crowds of 15,000 people at them.

00:45:18.560 That's not just reaching nobody.

00:45:19.980 That's not just a quiet little essay or something like that.

00:45:22.940 William Jennings Bryan would give, you know, the populist Democrat, he would give speeches to 15,000 people with regularity.

00:45:31.220 That you could reach people before.

00:45:32.660 I know you think that everything was invented yesterday, nothing before you ever existed.

00:45:37.660 These things existed.

00:45:38.780 There's nothing new here.

00:45:39.820 I've got to say goodbye.

00:45:40.620 We're running a little late today.

00:45:42.300 Before I go, look, that was CNN.

00:45:45.720 You know what CNN is.

00:45:47.460 CNN is fake news. 0.84

00:45:48.700 CNN is the hackiest of the bunch.

00:45:51.900 But I'm really pleased that now the star of CNN, Jim Acosta, is admitting this.

00:45:58.040 Here, I present to you for your consideration for best motion picture, best short film of all time, Jim Acosta.

00:46:06.720 Journalists are the enemy of the people. 0.98

00:46:09.360 Literally the s*** of the people. 0.98

00:46:11.640 But I'll say that the press is the enemy of the people. 0.97

00:46:15.500 And, you know, I don't understand simple sentences.

00:46:19.140 Maybe we should make some bumper stickers.

00:46:21.580 Make some buttons.

00:46:23.540 You know, maybe we should go out on Pennsylvania Avenue. 0.70

00:46:25.900 Like these folks who chant CNN s***s and fake news. 0.93

00:46:29.800 Maybe we should go out, all journalists should go out on Pennsylvania Avenue and chant CNN s***s and the enemy of the people. 0.94

00:46:36.600 Because I'm tired of this. 0.68

00:46:39.580 Honestly, Brooke.

00:46:40.400 I'm tired of this.

00:46:42.700 CNN is not right. 0.98

00:46:43.980 CNN s***s and it is not fair. 0.95

00:46:47.820 It is not just. 1.00

00:46:48.680 CNN is un-American.

00:46:50.640 At the very least, I think we should all be able to agree on one thing. 0.97

00:46:55.960 And that is that CNN's fake news and CNN sucks and CNN's lost sight of that here at this White House. 0.85

00:47:04.120 Somebody sent that to me on Twitter. 0.91

00:47:06.380 Really incredible work.

00:47:07.940 I mean, they deserve, for best popular movie, for that new Oscar category, whoever made that clip certainly deserves to win it.

00:47:15.240 That's our show.

00:47:15.760 Get your mailbag questions in so we can answer them tomorrow.

00:47:18.700 I will see you then.

00:47:19.340 In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles.

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The Michael Knowles Show - August 08, 2018

Ep. 198 - Losing Is Really Winning!

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