The Michael Knowles Show - June 03, 2026


Ep. 1987 - INFURIATING: Shocking Body Cam Shows Henry Nowak’s Final Moments


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00:00:27.920 an 18 year old english boy was stabbed five times by a 23 year old punjabi and rather than
00:00:35.880 administer medical care local police arrested the boy and joked with his killer as the young
00:00:42.540 man bled out on the pavement uttering the words i can't breathe new body cam footage has shocked
00:00:49.000 anyone with even a slightly functioning conscience but the most arresting aspect of the video as i
00:00:55.280 was watching it was the realization that Henry Nowak actually was who the left tried to make
00:01:01.860 George Floyd out to be. They uttered the same dying words. The phenomenon that the George Floyd
00:01:09.000 mythologists pointed to was real. The only difference was that the details were precisely
00:01:15.360 inverted. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.
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00:03:47.660 heading out to the UK now, this story from the UK is one of the most shocking stories in the news
00:03:54.680 right now, and the establishment media are doing anything they can to cover this up, and I think
00:04:00.280 you'll see why. The broad outlines of the story are that an 18-year-old English boy was stabbed
00:04:06.380 five times by a British-born Punjabi guy who was 23 years old. The 18-year-old English guy
00:04:13.700 was coming back from a pub, but he wasn't drinking very much. They tested his blood alcohol. His
00:04:18.940 blood alcohol was way below the legal driving limit. So he'd gone, he had a beer or two,
00:04:23.600 something like that. He was walking back. He was singing to himself on camera. He was
00:04:29.300 Snapchatting as he was walking, and he was just singing to himself. And then I guess he walks by
00:04:34.360 this Punjabi guy, and he says, quote, in it bad man. What bad man? You're a bad man. Say you're
00:04:40.220 a bad man. Go on. It's unclear exactly what the significance of that is, but he's just kind of
00:04:45.900 talking, just kind of joking around. The killer then turns to him and says, I am a bad man,
00:04:53.060 and then stabbed this 18-year-old boy five times. The killer then filmed Henry running away.
00:05:01.280 then the killer called his parents and the parents it seems covered up for him so the killer tells
00:05:09.280 police that henry noack this boy had called him racial slurs again we have the video this did not
00:05:17.820 happen it then came out later on that the killer made all of this up the killer apparently uh in a
00:05:24.080 in a conversation with his brother that was secretly recorded uh the the brother advised
00:05:30.220 this killer to claim self-defense. So they concoct the story that it was actually a racist white guy 0.52
00:05:36.680 who was threatening him and calling him racial slurs. And even the killer went on to say,
00:05:41.840 he attacked me. So this was self-defense. And so the cops show up and they say, oh, sir, sir,
00:05:48.560 are you okay? You've got this English boy bleeding to death on the ground. They're totally ignoring
00:05:52.760 the guy at first. And they're talking to the killer and the killer says, oh, yeah, yeah,
00:05:57.000 You can see my eye is swollen.
00:05:59.100 You can see he has no injuries whatsoever, of course, because he wasn't attacked.
00:06:02.360 He's just making it up, oh, my eye was swollen.
00:06:03.740 Oh, no, oh, that's so terrible.
00:06:05.740 Finally, finally, the police turn their attention to the actual victim,
00:06:11.580 this 18-year-old English guy who is bleeding out on the pavement.
00:06:16.820 This isn't even the whole body cam footage,
00:06:19.620 but I want you to see enough of it to grasp what's going on here.
00:06:23.440 He's obviously
00:06:26.240 He's fallen from there and he's slipped from there
00:06:28.600 There's other shoes left over there, mate
00:06:30.140 What's your name, mate?
00:06:32.160 Huh?
00:06:35.160 Has anyone been hurt other than him?
00:06:37.220 Yeah, me
00:06:37.540 He's grabbed my brother
00:06:38.800 He's took my turban off 0.98
00:06:40.120 So I grabbed him my head
00:06:41.200 Are you injured?
00:06:42.080 Yeah, yeah, I've got
00:06:42.800 Swollen eye, little bruises
00:06:44.360 Not a scratch on this guy
00:06:47.320 Meanwhile, you can see the poor kid on the ground
00:06:52.360 He's dying
00:06:52.900 And so the cops just drag this guy
00:06:55.980 from in front of a car.
00:06:59.320 Grab his other arm.
00:07:00.780 I can't breathe.
00:07:05.800 What's happened to you, right?
00:07:07.500 I've been stabbed.
00:07:09.040 You've been stabbed?
00:07:10.380 Whereabouts?
00:07:12.240 I don't think you have, mate.
00:07:13.700 I don't think you have, mate.
00:07:16.240 The boy at this point has been stabbed five times.
00:07:18.880 What does he do?
00:07:19.460 He puts the handcuffs on the kid.
00:07:22.900 Put the hand in the cuff, mate.
00:07:25.680 I can't breathe. Put the hand in the cuff, mate.
00:07:29.160 I've been stabbed. Don't think you have, mate. 0.53
00:07:36.300 You went to foot.
00:07:38.340 The killer says, you haven't been stabbed. Nothing happened.
00:07:44.100 They're all staying around. Families staying around. They know exactly what happened.
00:07:48.200 In the face? Oh, no, but we have to check, don't we?
00:07:51.200 In the face?
00:07:53.320 That word there. 0.96
00:07:55.940 I've been stabbed.
00:07:57.160 He hasn't been stabbed.
00:07:58.340 And what does the cop say?
00:07:59.280 The female cop says, oh, I know.
00:08:00.700 Tells the killer, oh, I know he hasn't been stabbed.
00:08:02.120 We've got to check anyway, don't we?
00:08:03.220 You've got to read Reef, then.
00:08:07.100 I'm saying to him, keeping him on his side.
00:08:10.500 We were sat up when we had him here.
00:08:11.820 They're not doing anything.
00:08:12.420 They're just holding him to arrest him.
00:08:13.960 What's your name, mate?
00:08:16.720 By the moment, you are under arrest.
00:08:18.360 That's for assault, so you do not have to say anything.
00:08:19.880 Mayhem and defense.
00:08:20.420 If you do not make your mind questioned,
00:08:22.160 so I'll switch you later in line of court.
00:08:23.340 Anything you do say may be given in evidence, right?
00:08:26.980 No first aid.
00:08:30.580 They're arresting him and reading him his rights.
00:08:32.380 He might be dead by then already.
00:08:36.700 The line that really drives the story home, I think, 0.95
00:08:40.740 is from that female cop.
00:08:42.880 He says, I've been stabbed. 0.97
00:08:44.580 The killer, the Punjabi killer, says he hasn't been stabbed. 0.70
00:08:47.820 The guy just stabbed him five times. 0.98
00:08:49.440 He hasn't been stabbed.
00:08:50.420 And what does the female cop say?
00:08:52.020 She turns to the killer.
00:08:52.680 She says, oh, I know.
00:08:53.940 Oh, I know, killer.
00:08:54.860 Of course, you're right.
00:08:56.180 Of course, the guy who's dying on the ground right now,
00:08:58.620 of course, he's just lying.
00:08:59.840 But, you know, look, we have to check it out.
00:09:02.000 You know, it's just procedure.
00:09:03.180 I guess we got to check.
00:09:03.720 They don't even really check it out.
00:09:04.700 They just arrest him.
00:09:07.720 What was most striking to me about the body cam footage,
00:09:10.760 just so awful to watch.
00:09:12.000 It goes on for minutes and minutes.
00:09:13.520 That's all we have time to get to.
00:09:15.740 You get most of the story there.
00:09:16.940 what's most striking is this is what they said happened to george floyd george floyd who had
00:09:25.720 just committed a crime who was resisting arrest for how long for 10 minutes we have the footage
00:09:31.580 of that too the cops trying to be really gentle with george floyd hey come on calm down george
00:09:36.300 floyd acting all crazy why in part because he had just taken a lethal dose of drugs he he had
00:09:40.720 illegal drugs on him. He swallowed it to try to avoid an arrest. And then what does George Floyd
00:09:47.300 say? George Floyd says the exact same thing that this young man says. He says, I can't breathe.
00:09:52.220 Of course, in the case of George Floyd, he was resisting arrest for 10 minutes. The cops were
00:09:55.100 being as polite and courteous and soft on him as they possibly could have been.
00:09:59.540 In this case, no benefit of the doubt given to this victim. He says, I can't breathe.
00:10:04.980 and then he dies as they're arresting him police totally not only shirking their responsibilities
00:10:11.340 but treating the perpetrator as if he's the victim and the victim as if he's the perpetrator
00:10:15.340 and it's so dark but in the grand scheme of providence there's a lot of meaning that we
00:10:23.300 can pull out of this and the meaning that we can pull out of this is in a certain sense blm was
00:10:28.520 right about george floyd they weren't right in the details they weren't right about derek chauvin
00:10:33.380 they weren't right about George Floyd. They weren't right about the circumstances of George
00:10:36.640 Floyd's death. They weren't right about the meaning of the phrase, I can't breathe,
00:10:39.920 but they were right in principle. And the principle here was, there's a two-tiered
00:10:45.500 system of justice. What are we hearing? George Floyd, we heard it's these racist whites who
00:10:50.980 are always giving preferential treatment to white people, and they're always going much harder on 0.97
00:10:56.200 brown people. And this is the two-tiered system of injustice is what it is. And that is real.
00:11:02.260 That phenomenon really happened. You're seeing almost the exact same thing play out in the
00:11:07.500 killing of Henry Nowak with the exact same words. The only difference is the details were precisely
00:11:14.920 inverted. Yes, there is a two-tier system of justice. This is taking place in the UK.
00:11:20.860 The two-tier system of justice is anyone who is not white is given every benefit of the doubt, 0.91
00:11:27.320 far beyond anything reasonable. And if you are white, you are never given the benefit of the 0.97
00:11:35.320 doubt. The worst motives are always assumed. And even the lies of criminals are to be believed,
00:11:41.220 even if that's going to lead to your death. It's exactly the opposite. And you see this so often
00:11:48.060 with liberalism. It's just what they claim is opposite day. It's always just opposite day.
00:11:54.440 all the way up to the apotheosis of the liberal ideology, which is transgenderism,
00:11:59.020 which says men are women and women are men. But it's always the opposite. 0.97
00:12:04.180 They say we have a system of racial discrimination in this country. That was true 1.00
00:12:08.060 in America. That was true. We had a system of racial discrimination. We still kind of do, 0.88
00:12:13.140 except it's not the one that they say that exists. We have a system of racial discrimination when it
00:12:19.460 comes to job applications, when it comes to college applications. But the racial discrimination
00:12:24.340 is, if you're white, you're docked points. If you're white, you're disadvantaged. And if you
00:12:29.080 can claim to be not white, you get all the benefits in the world. It's exactly the opposite. 0.99
00:12:36.320 And of course, it's the opposite in the reaction. In the case of George Floyd,
00:12:39.240 where the circumstances were completely dishonest, even in the earlier BLM incidents,
00:12:43.660 the Michael Brown shooting, they said Michael Brown was executed, gentle giant. He was just
00:12:48.640 trying to comply with the law. And then that racist cop showed up in Ferguson and blew his
00:12:55.100 head off. Of course, it was exactly the opposite. Michael Brown had gone up, had charged at the 0.99
00:12:59.580 cop. He had just committed a crime. He reached for the cop's weapon. He discharged the cop's
00:13:02.700 weapon. It was totally the opposite. And what was the response to the lies of BLM? The response was
00:13:08.300 looting, burning, pillaging, rioting, dozens of murders, billions of dollars in property damage.
00:13:13.280 and you know what the response is going to be here to the mirror image of BLM the response is
00:13:19.420 going to be basically nothing it's going to be a media blackout it's going to be politicians some
00:13:23.060 politicians mention it and then they're all going to move on there aren't going to be any riots in
00:13:27.240 the streets which is good we don't want vigilante violence but more to the point there's going to be
00:13:32.020 very little political reform the only hope of political reform is to play that video everywhere
00:13:39.160 This little segment here, going through, breaking it down, send it to your friends.
00:13:43.820 Doesn't have to be my segment. I want it to seem self-serving. Just send the video around. Send
00:13:47.320 the context of this around. You have to show people what this is. So much of the way that
00:13:53.500 the left operates is just by creating an illusion, by creating a mythology, like the mythology of
00:13:58.580 George Floyd, the mythology of BLM, creating an illusion, and that really persuading people,
00:14:02.780 that really coloring the way they view the world. And the only way to crack through that is not
00:14:06.360 going to be with debates. It's not going to be owning people by facts and logic. It's not going
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00:14:54.120 is describing something that is real. They're just presenting it completely upside down. Okay,
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00:17:29.500 Big news coming out of Capitol Hill.
00:17:31.580 The Secretary of State Marco Rubio declares that the Iran war is over.
00:17:36.540 Mr. Rubio, you keep telling us how we're winning this war.
00:17:39.020 The president keeps saying completely annihilated.
00:17:41.900 The war is not over.
00:17:43.500 And yet the American people see how we're losing at the pump.
00:17:47.420 Okay, so the big headline, the big headline, Secretary of State says the Iran war is over.
00:17:54.060 But you see here in this exchange, it's actually not that big a headline because what Rubio is
00:17:59.540 saying is what the administration has said for weeks now, namely the war, Operation Epic Fury
00:18:04.980 is over. Now we are in a ceasefire. And this is very precise wording because the president has
00:18:12.280 the unilateral authority as commander-in-chief to issue military strikes, but it is somewhat
00:18:18.200 circumscribed by the War Powers Resolution. And even that, plenty of Democrat presidents blow
00:18:23.180 past the limits of the War Powers Act. It's supposed to be 30 days, then you can extend it
00:18:26.780 to 60 days. Barack Obama and Joe Biden extended it way, way, way beyond that. But in any case,
00:18:31.860 I think what the White House is clearly delineating here is that there was this war.
00:18:37.560 It went on well within the scope of the War Powers Act. Now that war is over. Operation
00:18:41.840 Epic Fury is over. But we're in this ceasefire, and Iran still has the Strait of Hormuz closed.
00:18:46.560 So the Strait of Hormuz is closed off. 20% of the world's oil and natural gas can't get through.
00:18:53.020 Petrochemicals, fertilizer, a bunch of other stuff. The US responded to the Iranian blockade
00:18:57.300 with their own double reverse UNO card blockade. And then for the last few days, we've been hearing
00:19:01.380 that we're close to a peace deal. Then the Iranians say, no, you're not going to get a peace deal.
00:19:05.940 We're not negotiating anymore because the Israelis keep bombing Lebanon, and that should be included
00:19:09.920 in the ceasefire. And the Israelis say, no, Lebanon's not included in the ceasefire. You
00:19:14.960 just deal with the United States. But then the White House is saying, no, they actually haven't
00:19:18.680 stopped negotiating. The negotiations are ongoing. And then there was this reported phone call between
00:19:23.920 Trump and Netanyahu, as well as a call between the White House and Hezbollah. But let's zero in
00:19:30.080 on the call between Trump and Netanyahu. Big headlines out of that, which I predicted on the
00:19:34.720 show yesterday, even before this news broke, that the headline of that phone call is that
00:19:39.220 Trump yelled at Netanyahu. According to Axios, Trump told Bibi, you're effing crazy. In other 0.99
00:19:47.960 words, stop screwing up my ceasefire. Stop screwing up my peace negotiations. Lay off
00:19:52.760 Southern Lebanon. We want to get a deal to open the Strait of Hormuz. So here's the reporting 1.00
00:19:56.780 from Axios. The reporting from Axios is coming from Barack Ravid. Barack Ravid, who clearly has
00:20:02.080 a lot of access to the White House. And we'll get to what that signifies in just a moment.
00:20:05.920 First, though, the article says, President Trump lashed out at Israeli Prime Minister
00:20:10.840 Benjamin Netanyahu over Israel's escalation in Lebanon in an expletive-laden call on Monday,
00:20:15.560 two U.S. officials and a third source briefed on the call, told Axios. So it's not just
00:20:19.080 one source. And if it's Barack Ravidi, he's probably getting pretty highly placed sources.
00:20:23.440 It's two sources, plus a third source who wasn't on the call but heard about the call.
00:20:28.080 Summarizing Trump's remarks to Netanyahu, the U.S. officials said, quote, 0.97
00:20:30.720 you're effing crazy. You'd be in prison if it weren't for me. I'm saving your derriere. I'm 0.99
00:20:35.480 cleaning up the language a little bit. Everybody hates you now. Everybody hates Israel because of
00:20:39.980 this. Clearly referring to the poll numbers that have really cratered for support of Israel
00:20:44.860 across the political spectrum in the United States. A second source briefed on the call
00:20:49.080 said Trump was irritated. I got to clean up the language. I don't like to go blue. This is a
00:20:54.780 family show. Trump was irritated and at one point yelled at Netanyahu, what the eff are you doing?
00:20:59.640 The US official said Trump knew Hezbollah had been shooting at Israel and that Israel needed
00:21:04.580 to defend itself, but felt in recent days that Netanyahu was escalating in a disproportionate
00:21:09.280 way. So when I saw this headline, everybody always takes the catnip. Everybody loves.
00:21:15.440 And so you say, look, I think Barack Ravid has good sources in the White House.
00:21:19.600 So I don't think he's making this up. I don't think this is someone just trying to gum up the
00:21:24.100 works. However, you can't just take this all at face value. Whenever you're analyzing any political
00:21:30.820 operation, you have to say, okay, who does it benefit? Why am I being told this now in this
00:21:35.260 format? And my first instinct is to say, well, it benefits the White House to get this news out
00:21:44.320 there. The White House does not want it to seem like Bibi Netanyahu is the senior partner in this
00:21:50.240 alliance. The White House doesn't want it to look like Bibi Netanyahu's calling the shots and we
00:21:54.580 don't have anything to do about it. I mean, the state of Israel is a relatively small country.
00:21:58.740 We're the global hegemon. We cannot have that. So it's beneficial to the White House for this 0.77
00:22:03.140 news to get out here. The question that then follows is, did this really happen? Now, Trump
00:22:08.140 is known for his salty language, so I guess it could be the case. But Trump and Netanyahu have 0.72
00:22:12.120 a famously good relationship. I mean, the state of Israel loves Trump so much they named a town
00:22:15.680 after him. So how tense was this call? Netanyahu posts his own version. Netanyahu says,
00:22:23.740 tonight I spoke with President Trump and told him that if Hezbollah does not cease attacking
00:22:26.960 our cities and citizens, Israel will attack terror targets in Beirut. This stance of ours
00:22:30.920 remains unchanged. In parallel, the IDF will continue to operate as planned in southern
00:22:34.920 Lebanon. So what's so funny about trying to read the political tea leaves is when I get reporting
00:22:42.360 that says, according to senior White House officials, Trump screamed at Netanyahu.
00:22:47.720 My natural skepticism of political communications is to say, oh, maybe that didn't happen.
00:22:53.460 I don't know that that actually happened. People want us to believe that happened. I don't know
00:22:57.060 if that really happened. But then I read Netanyahu coming out in this very measured way,
00:23:01.780 not saying he got into a big fight with Trump, just saying, no, no, no, but I'm firm and we will 0.80
00:23:06.400 continue to attack targets in Lebanon if we feel that they're threatening us. But it's very 1.00
00:23:10.040 measured, very statesmanlike. And so I read that measured report and I say, oh, you know what? I
00:23:14.880 bet Trump actually screamed at him. I bet that did happen because the White House wants me to
00:23:19.320 believe this one thing. So I'm maybe going to take the other view, but then Israel wants me to believe
00:23:24.560 the other view. So now I'm kind of going back to the first view. Maybe they actually did yell at
00:23:30.100 each other. On top of this, you have Mark Levin, a very famous conservative commentator, definitely
00:23:36.800 more on the neocon side of conservatism. He goes apoplectic about this leak. All caps, he posts,
00:23:43.740 the leak in Axios was a violation of federal law and provided support to the Iranian regime and
00:23:48.100 its Hezbollah proxy. And then in regular capitalization, whomever leaked that story
00:23:52.700 to Barack Ravid at Axios did a grave, why did he say whom? It would be who, whoever leaked that
00:23:57.800 story. Anyway, I'm nitpicking. Did a grave disservice to our country, to our president,
00:24:01.520 to Israel, and to Israel's prime minister. Goes on and on and on. I mean, the guy's writing
00:24:04.540 novels on X right now. So then I say, well, hold on. Mark Levin is a staunch supporter of Israel.
00:24:10.840 He talks about Israel all the time. He is furious about this leak. Now I think, okay,
00:24:19.160 I guess this was a really tense phone call and Trump was really giving it good to Netanyahu.
00:24:23.360 But then I have to read even deeper into this and say, well, hold on.
00:24:27.880 Is that just part of the political show of it all? Getting people to believe that Trump was being
00:24:33.500 really harsh on Netanyahu and getting Mark Levin to believe that Trump was being really harsh on
00:24:39.040 Netanyahu, to get Mark Levin to complain about it, to get the people who don't really like Mark
00:24:43.600 Levin and who are skeptical of the war in Iran to be more on Trump's side. And the layers that
00:24:48.800 you have to peel back of this political communications onion can leave us scratching
00:24:53.820 our heads. Levin goes on. He says, this is all caps again, more regarding yesterday's leak about
00:25:00.940 the phone call between POTUS and Bibi. Barack Ravid at Axios should be fired. He should be
00:25:05.700 fired? What? Barack Ravid is one of the most trusted reporters on the Trump White House.
00:25:13.780 If Barack Ravid is getting a story, I don't think it's behind the back of senior people at the
00:25:18.220 White House. I think the White House is probably aware of this. They know that Barack Ravid gets
00:25:22.700 a lot of good scoops. So he should be fired for reporting this? I don't think the White House is
00:25:27.680 angry that this came out. Then Levin goes on again. He says, this is one of the reasons I
00:25:32.320 posted last evening. There needs to be a criminal investigation of the leak to Barack Ravid at
00:25:36.160 Axios. Goes on, this is good for Hezbollah, terrible for Israel, on and on and on and on and on. 0.78
00:25:42.520 You know what I take away from all of this? All the drama, all the play acting, all the maybe 0.99
00:25:49.620 legitimate emotions. What I take away from this is the situation between the United States and
00:25:56.340 Israel and Iran is essentially unchanged. Once you get past all the emotion and the invective
00:26:01.780 and the high blood pressure and he leaked this to him, but it wasn't real, but it was real.
00:26:06.400 And the situation is unchanged. I described this on the show yesterday.
00:26:10.980 The situation here is Trump clearly wants a deal. I think most Americans want a deal.
00:26:16.760 There is no political appetite whatsoever for an escalation in Iran to a regime change war in Iran
00:26:22.500 to an invasion of Iran. The United States is the global hegemon. We would need to be involved if
00:26:27.680 that were to happen. And Americans don't want to do it. But Israel does want to do it. That's my 0.89
00:26:35.860 read on it. I'm not talking to highly placed sources about this in either the White House
00:26:39.960 or in the state of Israel. This is just common sense. The US and Israel are allies. And our
00:26:45.960 interests align a lot of the time. But sometimes they don't align because we're different countries.
00:26:51.540 And this is one of those instances where the interest of the United States and the interest
00:26:55.700 of Israel are just diverging. The United States has an interest in stopping Iran from getting a 0.90
00:27:01.340 nuclear weapon. The United States has an interest in weakening the Iranian regime. The United States 0.58
00:27:06.660 has an interest in weakening the other geopolitical adversaries who support the
00:27:10.700 Iranian regime. Yeah, yeah, that's true. But it's not that big a deal to us. It's really not worth
00:27:18.040 from a matter of proportionality to go in and launch a ground invasion of Iran for a regime 0.77
00:27:22.460 change war that can bog us down in another Middle Eastern quagmire like we saw in Iraq.
00:27:27.920 People are sick of that, especially on the right. So we're not that interested. We would rather have 0.87
00:27:32.680 a deal. And for the state of Israel, Iran poses a truly existential threat. They're right there 0.99
00:27:39.680 in the neighborhood. Israel is looking at the poll numbers of support in the United States.
00:27:43.340 They're seeing that support is cratering, including among Republicans. So they say,
00:27:46.340 this might be our last shot. We have a good friend in the White House and Trump. So we got
00:27:49.500 to take our shot. We got to go for gold here and replace the Iranian regime. So Israel does not want 0.99
00:27:54.940 a peace deal. Israel wants an escalation of the war to once and for all cut off the head of the 0.95
00:27:59.300 snake in Iran. That's totally understandable. If I were the prime minister of Israel, I would want 1.00
00:28:03.400 the exact same thing. But if I were the president of the United States, I would want something
00:28:08.360 different. And I, being an American, am more inclined to favor the American interest here.
00:28:14.320 this does not have to be as so many pundits and tweeters and podcasters want to make it seem
00:28:22.100 a matter of all or nothing some pure ideology pure ideology which by the way is contrary to
00:28:28.700 the actual practice of politics you don't have to say that israel is the worst country in the world
00:28:33.720 terrible leading us into all sorts of bad stuff nor do you have to say that israel's our greatest
00:28:38.460 ally ever and our interests are perfectly aligned and you know george washington most of all would
00:28:43.140 have wanted to invade Iran, you don't have to say that. You can say Israel's an ally. We work with
00:28:47.380 them very well. A lot of the time, our interests are aligned. A lot of the time, we have a good
00:28:50.660 relationship. Sometimes our interests diverge. And when our interests diverge, we sometimes need
00:28:55.660 to bring them back in. We got to restrain them a little bit and we got to get what we want,
00:28:59.640 even if that is not exactly what the Israeli state wants. That's really what it's about. 0.74
00:29:03.020 That's the situation here. Whatever phone call took place between Trump and Bibi Netanyahu,
00:29:07.640 whether it was fully yelling or whether they were being old pals, that fundamental situation
00:29:13.200 does not change. And that's really what this is all about. Will Netanyahu go along with some
00:29:22.980 kind of a ceasefire with Hezbollah in Lebanon? It seems like they will. 0.98
00:29:28.780 Bibi Netanyahu has been supportive of Trump. And will Trump pursue this peace deal? And then,
00:29:33.960 of course, the biggest wild card in all of this is totally beyond the US and Israel. It's whether 0.86
00:29:38.680 Iran is going to come to the table. Furthermore, whether Iran can come to the table. Who are we 0.96
00:29:43.140 even negotiating with? The government of Iran doesn't really seem to have control over the
00:29:47.140 Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps has control over the
00:29:51.140 Strait of Hormuz. So it's a brutal, dicey, terrible situation, which is why Trump's messaging,
00:29:57.780 his explicit messaging is always, don't worry, stop talking about it. It'll all work out in the
00:30:02.320 end, just like it always does. In other words, Trump is saying, come on, enough of the chattering,
00:30:08.700 don't worry, I'll figure it out. Trust me, trust me, trust me. And he's got a lot of credibility 0.94
00:30:12.320 on foreign policy, so I kind of get it. But the intractable nature of the diverging interests of
00:30:19.440 the two partners in this war on Iran is what makes this so difficult. And the durability of the
00:30:25.480 regime, which is far greater than a lot of the war hawks were trying to persuade us of three
00:30:31.900 months ago. That's what makes this situation so tense, so intractable. And however it will be
00:30:37.120 worked out, it will not be worked out on the level of pure ideology. It will be worked out
00:30:41.080 in a brutal but conciliatory and ultimately unsatisfying way. That is how politics actually
00:30:47.340 works. Okay. Speaking of the Holy Land, James Tallarico, the hits just keep on coming.
00:30:55.460 We got a new one from him.
00:30:58.580 And the new Pastor Tallarico clip
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00:32:21.420 Pastor, would-be Senator Tallarico, please illuminate us with your deep theological wisdom.
00:32:29.640 There are so many pathways to the sacred.
00:32:34.460 The Islamic mystic Rumi said, every religion has love, but love has no religion.
00:32:41.500 God is so much bigger than our human categories.
00:32:45.540 God is not a Presbyterian.
00:32:47.460 God is not a Christian.
00:32:48.820 god is not a noun at all yeah god is a verb okay god is not a being god is being itself 0.53
00:32:59.060 yeah god yeah fair enough love yes and that's why jesus is against anything that gets in the way of
00:33:06.840 that love between neighbors including religion oh you almost ah you almost had me james i try to be
00:33:13.960 open-minded i don't want to just take cheap dunks a lot of what he's saying here is fair he says
00:33:18.540 God's not a Presbyterian. As a Catholic, I'm perfectly happy to affirm that. God is not a
00:33:22.700 Presbyterian. No offense to our Presbyterian friends. But he says, God is not a Christian.
00:33:27.780 Well, that's true. God is Christ. He is the subject of worship. He's not merely one who 0.98
00:33:35.580 worships. He is who he is, which is why he says God is not a noun. Now, literally speaking,
00:33:41.100 God is a noun because he's three distinct persons in one divine unity. But he is also a verb in the
00:33:50.260 sense that when Moses is talking to God in the burning bush, he says, who shall I tell the people
00:33:54.260 you are? And he says, God says, I am that I am. Which is a verb. He says, I am. I am being himself.
00:34:01.140 Yes, very, very true. He says, and that's why God is love. Yes, God is love. We talked about that.
00:34:07.680 I don't know if I mentioned it on the show.
00:34:08.800 I tweeted about it for Trinity Sunday.
00:34:10.920 I heard a wonderful homily in which a passage of Chesterton was read in which Chesterton points out that even the most liberal, watered-down, sappy religion will at least acknowledge that God is love.
00:34:24.680 Even the people who hate doctrines and sacraments and rules and obligations and even the weakest form of religion will acknowledge God is love.
00:34:33.140 but for god to be love implies the trinity this is one of chesterton's great observations
00:34:42.180 he says for i think this is an everlasting man if god is merely alone
00:34:48.160 existing from all time before creation then how can god be love love requires a relationship
00:34:59.680 Love requires an object.
00:35:02.420 You have to love someone or something.
00:35:05.200 And so to say that God is love actually implies the Trinity.
00:35:09.920 That God is Father and Son.
00:35:15.700 Born, begotten before all ages.
00:35:17.820 God from God, light from light, true God from true God.
00:35:21.080 Begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father.
00:35:23.420 That for God to be love, there is God the Father and God the Son.
00:35:26.520 and indeed the bond of love between the father and the son is so real that he is a person whom
00:35:34.340 we call the holy ghost the holy spirit so i actually like where tallarico is going and then
00:35:40.640 he just kind of ruins it at the end he says that's why jesus doesn't want anything to come between
00:35:46.160 you and love of your neighbor including religion okay you just lost me because religion is a habit
00:35:54.380 a virtue that impels the person to, inclines the will to give to God what he deserves,
00:36:01.180 the worship that he deserves. So yes, Jesus tells you to love your neighbor. But before he tells
00:36:09.180 you to love your neighbor, he says, love your God above all things, with all your heart,
00:36:14.700 with everything you have, love God. Tallarico, he says a lot of things that are true here,
00:36:21.160 and he speaks in a way that is very slippery, very reminiscent of a certain creature on his
00:36:28.500 belly in the Garden of Eden. Because it's almost right, but it's actually satanically wrong.
00:36:34.180 He says, God doesn't want you to love God above all things. God doesn't want you to give to God
00:36:38.540 what he deserves above all things, if that would impede your relationship with your neighbor.
00:36:43.700 Well, no, no, no, no, hold on. Now what Tallarico is doing is replacing love of God with love of
00:36:50.240 man. He is taking a religion that worships God and reducing it, inverting it really, to a kind
00:36:57.560 of religion, a pseudo religion that worships man instead. And of course, that is what he's after.
00:37:02.540 Because in the Tallarico version of Christianity, it's not really Christianity at all.
00:37:06.880 It's nothing more than liberalism. It's the false religion of the worship of mankind
00:37:12.840 to do whatever we want. There are no rules. There's nothing God really wants us to do.
00:37:17.580 ignore it. You kill your baby. It's actually good to kill your baby. He justifies killing 1.00
00:37:21.720 babies by pointing to the Virgin Mary. Can you imagine something so blasphemous?
00:37:27.800 But keep your eyes out for him because it's really slippery. It's not enough just to make
00:37:32.780 fun of this guy or to call him the gay P. Buttigieg or whatever. It's all fun and everything, 0.63
00:37:36.000 but he's really slippery because he almost gets it right. He can cite, he can quote scripture.
00:37:42.860 You know who else quotes scripture?
00:37:44.520 To Christ himself in the desert.
00:37:47.540 The devil knows his scripture pretty well,
00:37:50.340 but he twists it to perverse and satanic ends.
00:37:53.520 Exactly what Tallarico is doing.
00:37:56.520 But that's really the whole project of liberalism.
00:37:58.720 Liberalism endeavors to, from the very beginning, 0.95
00:38:01.340 endeavors to take all the goods of Christianity,
00:38:04.020 the nice art and functioning societies
00:38:06.240 and rights and propriety,
00:38:08.820 to just keep all of that, but take God out of it.
00:38:10.880 Take God out of the center.
00:38:11.740 and make instead a religion of man. No kings, no priests, only men. 0.91
00:38:17.540 That's Tallarico. Tallarico is just the modern, weak, sappy version of that same
00:38:23.680 awful replacement of Christianity that has destroyed our civilization. 1.00
00:38:28.420 Okay, speaking of humanity, we have some numbers, some news, word to the wise of what is causing 0.99
00:38:35.080 the existential threat of the decline in births. And it's not just that
00:38:41.260 kids don't go out anymore. It's not just contraception. It's not just abortion. We'll
00:38:47.340 get to what that is in a second. It's pretty basic. First, though, my favorite comment yesterday
00:38:51.400 is from Scotty Adi Biscotti. What a name, who says, bad timing, but Michael looks great in
00:38:57.780 light blue. Thank you. And I'm wearing light blue again. This is great. That was my favorite
00:39:04.440 comment because it compliments me, and I like that. I enjoy that very much. Okay.
00:39:07.720 the birth rate has been on the decline since 1971 the u.s has had a below replacement birth
00:39:16.140 rates since then for almost 60 years now this is an existential threat to the country this is the 1.00
00:39:21.260 chief motivating factor for mass migration which has further destroyed our country it's existential 1.00
00:39:26.980 some political problems are bad but we don't need to worry about them too much like marginal tax 1.00
00:39:32.020 rates or whatever they're bad i don't mean to undermine it but some are existential like you
00:39:36.260 don't have a country anymore if you have this problem. And one of those is declining birth
00:39:39.940 rates. Well, the Institute for Family Studies has identified the cause of the declining birth
00:39:45.940 rates. And the cause is very simple. It's not contraception. It's not abortion. It's not
00:39:51.780 technology. It's not social media. It's not whatever. It's just that people aren't getting
00:39:57.620 married. 75% of the decline in U.S. fertility is attributable to declining marriage rates.
00:40:06.700 You have a counterfactual here, which is you see that the fertility rate just absolutely plummeting.
00:40:12.380 But if marital rates by age were stable at just 2007 levels, we're not even talking about 1950s
00:40:20.280 levels, just 2007 levels, if that were the case, you would basically have no decline in the
00:40:25.780 fertility rate since 2003. But instead, you have a massive decline in the fertility rate since 2003.
00:40:33.740 So what is causing the decline in marriage? It seems to me there are three big factors.
00:40:38.460 One is economics. And a lot of the more establishment Republicans don't want to
00:40:41.800 deal with this. A lot of the neocon types, even a lot of the libertarian types,
00:40:46.360 they don't want to deal with it. The ones who say that government causes all the problems
00:40:50.480 and we just need to get the government out of it and lower taxes and then everything will be
00:40:54.780 hunky-dory. That doesn't really work. One of the drivers of the decline in marriage is men with
00:41:01.200 falling real earnings, especially in the median to lower percentiles. Those men, the men who are 0.96
00:41:09.920 at the bottom of the economic ladder, so the steepest declines in marriage rates. On top of
00:41:17.140 that, we're not just going to have an economic explanation. We're not Marxists. On top of that,
00:41:21.660 you have norms. There's a greater acceptance of substitutions for marriage, cohabitation,
00:41:28.240 single parenthood, fornication, long-term situationships, obviously all the weird gay 0.96
00:41:34.160 and trans stuff, all of that, all of these, the redefinition of marriage, all of those factors 1.00
00:41:39.500 give a sort of, they're kind of like a pressure release valve. All the things that were impelling 0.97
00:41:45.300 people to get married before, those social restraints are gone. On top of that, a really
00:41:51.700 under-discussed factor that anecdotally I'm quite confident of is that for the millennial generation 0.89
00:41:58.240 and maybe the Zoomer generation, everyone's parents are divorced. Not like literally everyone, 0.96
00:42:02.540 but the divorce rate's so spiked with the baby boomers into Gen X that everyone's parents are 0.78
00:42:08.440 divorced. No wonder people are delaying getting married because they don't want to end up divorced 0.89
00:42:11.880 too, because divorce sucks. But then the biggest predictor, the biggest driver, is the decline in
00:42:18.040 religion. Now, that's a little bit of good news, or there's a silver lining there, because religion 1.00
00:42:22.240 is ticking up ever so slightly again. The decline in religion, at the very least, has plateaued,
00:42:26.780 and there's a lot of evidence that it's starting to tick up again. But of those three things,
00:42:31.860 economic, social norms, and religion, the greatest predictor of marriage and having kids
00:42:38.300 is religion. You really can't replace it. That's it. So my question for everybody out there,
00:42:45.060 especially the establishment Republicans and neocons and the libertarians,
00:42:48.260 coming from a more classical traditional conservative, a more religious conservative,
00:42:53.200 here's my question. Are you willing to do things to change that? If we acknowledge that the below
00:43:01.980 replacement birth rates are an existential problem, if we acknowledge that they're driven
00:43:07.040 by the decline in marriage, which itself is an existential problem because marriage is the
00:43:11.100 fundamental building block of society, then my question for you, establishment Republicans and
00:43:15.780 neocons and libertarians is, are you willing to do something about it? Are you willing to craft
00:43:21.040 economic policies that might violate the various shibboleths and taboos about small government 0.67
00:43:27.200 in order to promote marriage? Are you willing to do that? Are you too much of an ideologue,
00:43:34.020 a libertarian, say ideologue, to do that? I'm willing to do that, for sure, because I don't
00:43:40.660 think that we're a country that serves a market. I don't think that politics exists to serve
00:43:45.200 ideological theories. I think politics is just the practice of how people live together to advance
00:43:50.380 the common good and to flourish for the general welfare and for ourselves and our posterity,
00:43:54.480 as our founding fathers and framers wrote in the Constitution. Are you willing to do something
00:43:58.000 about that? I would be. How about norms? Are you willing to discourage contraception? Are you
00:44:04.520 willing to outlaw abortion? Are you willing to discourage cohabitation? Are you willing to 0.93
00:44:09.360 re-redefine marriage so that it makes sense? Are you willing to put a cap on the weird sex stuff?
00:44:15.640 Are you? I'm certainly willing to do that. Are you? Or do you think that's authoritarian?
00:44:19.900 Do you think, oh, is that fascistic? Is that, okay, well, if you're not willing to do anything
00:44:23.880 about it, okay, just don't say you weren't warned. If divorce is a big factor in this,
00:44:28.840 are you willing to undo the liberalization of divorce laws? Don't forget, New York,
00:44:33.800 freaking liberal New York did not have no-fault divorce until like 15 years ago.
00:44:39.220 Are you willing to unwind that and make divorce harder to get and force people to stick by their
00:44:44.560 vows that they make to God? Yes, but also to the public and to the government and to your neighbors
00:44:50.580 when you get married? You're signing a contract and you're making a vow. Are you going to force
00:44:54.040 people to live up to their vows or at the very least make it difficult to get out of your vows?
00:44:58.460 Are you going to get rid of no-fault divorce? Are you willing to do that? I'm willing to do that.
00:45:01.820 Are you? Or no? Is that too authoritarian? Is that too much trouble? Is that too, is that
00:45:06.660 restricting people's license and liberty? Okay, don't say you weren't warned. And then when it
00:45:11.180 comes to religion, are we willing to acknowledge that secularism and atheism and kicking religion
00:45:15.980 out of the public square is bad. It's not what our framers intended. It's not what the men who
00:45:22.240 came on the Mayflower, which is a great cigar brand, by the way, intended. It's not what the
00:45:26.920 people who put in God we trust on our money intended or in our Pledge of Allegiance or in
00:45:30.800 our national anthem, all these references to God. It's not what any of them intended.
00:45:34.420 Are you willing to promote religion in public life? Not just take the boot off the neck of 0.52
00:45:40.080 religion, which would be an improvement, but to actually promote religion in public life.
00:45:44.060 or no is that authoritarian and blah blah blah i'm willing to do those things the left obviously
00:45:50.940 doesn't want to do those things but so it's my question is for the centrists the neocons the
00:45:55.180 establishment the libertarians the squishier types are you willing are you willing to promote good
00:46:01.900 things things that we know are good and even if you're not sure if they're good at the very least
00:46:06.820 we can acknowledge are existential because if you're not then maybe we should just pack it up
00:46:12.440 you know, because if you're not willing to improve things, to do the things that we know
00:46:16.120 will improve the existential threat, then what are we doing? Then we're just rearranging deck
00:46:22.220 chairs on the Titanic. Speaking of marriage, Jill Biden is on a book tour. Did you know that?
00:46:28.000 Jill Biden is on a book tour, and she's got a whole host of excuses as to why she allowed her 1.00
00:46:35.040 poor husband to drool all over himself from the Oval Office and on a debate stage. We will get
00:46:40.180 to truth and reconciliation from the Biden administration. We don't have time to get to it
00:46:43.720 today though. You know why? Because I'm going to the UK, baby. I will be debating at the Oxford
00:46:48.640 Union. Very exciting debate. The resolution of the debate is this house believes that Trump has
00:46:54.600 betrayed conservatism. I will be speaking in the negative. I don't think Trump has betrayed
00:46:58.860 conservatism, but there are a lot of great speakers. I think Brett Stevens is speaking
00:47:02.120 in the affirmative. I think we've got a couple of former Heritage Foundation people, directors,
00:47:07.640 board members are going to be there. On my side, we've got more of the pro-Trump people.
00:47:14.080 So anyway, it should be a good debate. I think it's going to be aired on the Oxford Union
00:47:17.280 YouTube channel. Much more to get to. We'll have to get to it from the UK.
00:47:21.820 I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show. See you tomorrow.
00:47:37.640 Thank you.