Ep. 2000 - Tucker Carlson Leaves The Republican Party
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Whoopi Goldberg believes President Trump should go to jail for repainting the reflecting pool. Tucker leaves the Republican Party. The Pope criticizes the free market. And Chicago declares a Trans-Femicide State of Emergency. On the 2000th episode of The Michael Knowles Show, I think it is an occasion that demands a Mayflower cigar.
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And Chicago declares a trans-femicide state of emergency on the 2000th episode of The Michael Knowles Show.
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It is the 2000th episode. Whoopi Goldberg believes President Trump should go to jail
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for repainting the reflecting pool. There's a lot going on. But did I mention it's the 2000th
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episode? I think it is an occasion that demands a Mayflower cigar. It's really two holidays today.
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It's June 3rd, of course, and the 2000th episode. Many people did not think this show would make
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it that long, including many of my bosses, actually, and a lot of the people. But I don't
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know, they've continued to tolerate me. Thank you to all of you for being around for 2,000 episodes
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Chicago has declared a transfemicide state of emergency. This, according to Mayor Brandon
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Johnson, quote, for too many transgender Chicagoans, the sense of belonging they deserve
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in their city has been denied by exclusion and barriers to opportunity in spaces that should
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feel safe and welcoming. Since declaring a transfemicide state of emergency, our administration
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has strengthened the city's capacity to support LGBTQ plus Chicagoans. This framework builds on
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that work by centering the voices and lived experiences of trans Chicagoans to chart a path
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were to safer, more connected city. I looked into the numbers on the trans-femicide state
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of emergency. How many trans-fems have been homicided? Last year, the number is one.
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There was one trans-identifying guy in Chicago who was murdered, and he was murdered not by
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a phobic right-wing person. He was murdered by his boyfriend. He was in bed. The boyfriend
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apparently bludgeoned his skull in with a hammer. Very sad. But that would not seem to be an
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epidemic of transfemicide. To help me analyze this crucial story, I bring on someone who was
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around for the Great Chicago Fire, so has a good sense of the second city. That would be
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arguably the founder of this show, Andy Millennial Klavan. Drew, thank you for being here.
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Congratulations on, I thought it was your 5,000th show. It just maybe seemed like 5,000 shows.
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It just feels like you are the founder of this show because-
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I am. I'm going to have to answer for that before the form of God.
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You will. I mean, we can get into your precise views on purgatory, but most theologians would
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say that will get you 10 billion years in purgatory. I think 10 billion years in purgatory.
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Yeah, that was that was it. My my recognition of Candace Owens talent and bringing you on my show.
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You discovered Candace. I did discover Candace. You know, that's I don't know how I'm going to
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answer for this. You also discovered Jordan. I discovered I just listen. I heard Ben Shapiro
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on his L.A. radio show and actually texted him and said, you know, you're actually an A-level
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talent. You should be on without all those people around you. You know, I grew up in radio. My dad
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was a big time radio DJ in New York, and I've always just had this knack for knowing broadcast
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talent when I saw it. Yeah. And you said, you said, look, Ben is a major talent. Candace is a
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major media talent. Jordan is a major intellectual talent. And Michael brings me cigars. So you know
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what give him a show and please get this kid out of my office and give him a show so he leaves me
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alone that was the a little bit of lore on this my actual first appearance on the daily wire i
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believe was when you brought me on to talk about a filthy cartoon with a talking hot dog yes you
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know first of all you came on and did my social media it was then twitter and you did my twitter
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feed and i and i said i was i was only half joking i said your imitation of me was so good
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that I literally was looking at your imitations
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so I could send out posts that sounded like me.
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So the thing I actually want to talk to you about
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though I do want your last little thought on this
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look, it's sad that this sexual aberrant guy
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I say, man, it's not 2022 anymore. It's not 2022. Why are we still doing this? I thought all that
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craziness was over and it was behind us. But then I look around at the left-wing politicians,
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whether you talk about the mayor of Chicago or James Tallarico or whoever, or even Abigail
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Spanberger after she ran as a moderate. And you say, no, they're going to keep doing this.
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The New York Times says on Father's Day, we need to celebrate trans women or whatever,
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or trans men, I guess, lesbians with beards who say that they're fathers.
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And I just think, oh, maybe it hasn't changed. Maybe the woke hasn't gone away.
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And so I want your perspective on this. And this kind of pertains to the media too.
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When this company started, and when Ben's show started, then your show started,
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then mine started later, there was this discrete era. It was right after the Tea Party,
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the Tea Party, which had followed the Bush era. And we were in this era of new media,
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the conservatives are really coming to their own in new media. And the big issue was free speech.
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and that was the issue for like five years and then the big issue became the weird gay race
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communism we call it you know the weird kind of identity especially sexual politics culture wars
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the peak of which was the transgender ideology that was five or six years ago now we're in some
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new era i i thought at least but then you know the weird transfemicide story keeps coming up
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so i if you're looking at all of these eras someone with great uh chronological uh range
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where are we right now and where is the conservative movement and the media going
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well you know they can't change because they're in a very specific situation and it does have a
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chronology to it an important one that unfortunately young people don't remember which is the fall of
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the soviet union the soviet union was going to be around forever it was the future i have seen the
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future and it works this was it they finally brought in all of the marxism they you could
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possibly want. And not only did it go horrifically bad with tens of millions of people being murdered
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and countries being conquered, but it's then collapsed. It collapsed on its own. I mean,
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we didn't do anything. It just fell apart on its own. I mean, Reagan was smart enough to see it
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coming and to outspend them, but basically it doesn't work. It never works. It has never worked
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any place. And, you know, when you listen to Bernie Sanders, we should be like Norway. You'll
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go like, Bernie, Norway doesn't have socialism. Oh, well, I don't know anything about Norway,
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but that's what we should be like. And people just follow this because it sounds like a dream.
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So you have a thing that doesn't work. Not only does it not work, but every single problem that
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America faces that is really troubling America, inflation, crime, Iran, it all started with
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leftist policies. Inflation is there because of the printing of money to pay for things that we
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can't afford. The crime is there because of lax policing and anti-police movements. And Iran is
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because of Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter. Exactly. Exactly. So it's all of it because of left-wing
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actions. So what do you got to do? You got to invent this world in which there are problems
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that the left can solve. I mean, transgender murder, this one guy gets murdered. Obviously,
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every murder is a bad thing, but this is not a real problem. The Jews are not a real problem.
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This is not something that is going to affect them, but that's what they're running on in New
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York, these socialist candidates who Zora Mamdani is blessing, these are the ones, that's what
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they're running on. They're running on the Jews. It's all Israel. That's your big problem. If you
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can't afford groceries in America, it's what's happening in Israel. And so all of this is fantasy.
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And if it weren't for the fact that they have 50 to 60 years of a media willing to echo this
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fantasy and make it seem like reality by printing it as news, quote unquote news, they wouldn't get
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away with it. I mean, people would just know that they'd be informed enough to know that it's
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nonsense. But what are they going to do? That's why it's called progressivism. It's progressive
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like emphysema, you know, like cancer. It's progressive because you have to keep upping
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the ante of the fantasy because the reality, it just doesn't work.
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Right, right. So then, I mean, maybe an answer to the right-wing question was there in your
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take on progressivism. But if I'm seeing these discrete errors correctly, which is, you know,
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look, we've been, we've been at this now for 10 years. Daily Wire was founded over 10, 11 years
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ago now. Right. And you think, okay. And I remember I came up politics in the Tea Party
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era. That was when I did my first political campaign. And I was doing a bunch of campaigns
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after that. The Tea Party era was really different from the early Bush era. And if you ran as a
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Republican politician on Bush era stuff in 2011, you were going to get blown out of the water. It
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was just so different. And then five years later, it really radically changed again at the beginning
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of the Trump era, if you ran like a Tea Party candidate, you just seemed passe. The right-wing
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base, both the media audience and the electoral activist base, they had just moved on to different
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issues. They even changed their views a little bit on things like immigration, on trade, on
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foreign policy. Then it seemed to shift again into this, it went from, say, I don't know,
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immigration was the big issue in 2015, 2016, to the culture war issues. COVID obviously had a lot
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to do with that. Now we're in in the big two six. What what are the issues? What is what is the big
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enemy? What is the you know, what does the guy who's running in 2026? What do the talkers who
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are focusing attention? What is it about? It's it's always about two things. It's about truth
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and liberty. This is always what the right has as its advantage and always the advantage that
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they squander. And if we've learned nothing from Donald Trump is that you can speak the truth and
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win. Now, listen, Trump is a one-off. I don't think everybody can pull off the kind of belligerence
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and sometimes rudeness that he uses. It was acquired. It was a godsend. It was a godsend
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to break the chains of niceness censorship. Don't say that. It's not nice. You say, well,
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there's a lot of crime in black neighborhoods. Oh, you're a racist. You say, well, maybe homosexual
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marriage is not the best thing for this social network. Oh, you're a homophobe. You have to say
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these things, I think, with complete honesty, with complete fearless honesty, but you also
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have to say them with, you know, as Paul Simon would have said, with a little bit of tenderness
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in your honesty. I think that this is the thing that we miss. And it hurts us, especially with
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women voters. And I think that the first thing we have to say is that liberty is a good and it is
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the prime mover of the American founding. Individual liberty, your liberty to say what
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you want to say, to worship the way you want to worship, to live the life that you want to live,
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and to build, not only build the things that you're capable of building, but to keep the money you
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make. Because money, you know, people talk about money like it's somehow dirty. Money is time.
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You know, you put in the time, you put in the effort, you get the money, and you create wealth
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for other people. These are the kind of logical things that I think the Republican Party has been
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too chicken to say for too long, because they believed that the press had more power than it
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did. I think the blessing of the Daily Wire, with the exclusion of your show, of course,
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the blessing of the Daily Wire is, and all of the rebel media, is that it has broken the monopoly
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that the left-wing, aged left-wing press had. Why were they knocking us off the air? You know,
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you were there for the censorship of the Biden era. That was the worst censorship I've seen in
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my lifetime, which goes back, as you know, to the Civil War, you know, so it's like, it was really
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bad. Worse than Woodrow Wilson, when you had the old-timey Drew show during the Wilson
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administration. Yeah, that's right. That's right. With the coal engine, I had to keep cranking the
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engine. You know, these are the two things, the two things that the left has are silence and
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fantasy. They have to quiet, they have to silence the truth with bullying, and they have to invent
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problems that aren't really problems. I mean, transgenderism, let's face it, it's not a problem.
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You know, don't butcher children, you know, let people live their lives.
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Nobody was bothering the occasional person who wanted to live, you know, dress up as
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He wasn't going into, you know, men's bathrooms and vice versa.
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But this idea that you have to use a pronoun, you have to change your language to lie.
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You know, if they cannot fix the world so that they really do believe that if everybody
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So for us, I think it's the opposite. The truth is our friend. Everything that conservatives believe in works. Countries don't become as powerful as America in just 250 years. Don't go from a bunch of guys clinging to the coast of a continent to this major superpower without freedom. Freedom works every time it's tried.
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You know, Greece became an empire. Rome became an empire by being because they started out being free. The same thing has happened to us. That's the thing we're trying to defend. And you do it, you know, you can't do it. You can't always be playing defense. I think that's the problem. You do have to solve problems, but you solve them in a free way. You know, you solve them in a way that doesn't say, oh, the government is going to do this for you, which means someone's money and freedom is being taken away.
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You know, I think that this is if I had to pick two things that I think the right could work on a little less belligerence in telling the truth, you know, tell the truth fearlessly, absolutely fearlessly.
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But you don't have to be belligerent about it. And the other thing is notice the problems before the left does.
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The left is really good at this, at picking up things that kind of bother people and then elevating them.
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And I think, you know, we have it. We actually have the solution to inflation.
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It's don't print so much money, which means don't spend so much money, you know.
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And I think that that's the thing that we just, we are not fearless about facing, especially our politicians.
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That is the one era where conservatives, I think, prefer fantasy over the left.
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The left has it 99.9% of the time, but we, we're a little too rosy, you know, and we, when the left brings up affordability, say, or problems in the healthcare system, we just try to dismiss it and minimize it.
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But they're going to get an optical advantage by calling attention to it first.
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And maybe we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.
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Drew, it occurs to me also, before I let you go, this has been going on for so long
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that when you were coming on my show in the early days, you came on as Andy Millennial.
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Because Lauren Chen had heard Noam De Plume was Roaming Millennial.
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Allie Stuckey was going by Conservative Millennial.
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This has been on so long now that millennials are old.
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now is there when is andy zoomer coming on the show to become like a trans nazi vaping
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i have to say we i think we proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you and i have the worst
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poker faces of any two people possibly on the planet we used to we used to have these hilarious
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routines and we get about 20 seconds into them and we do them dip and then fall off we were
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shameful we really were just the worst possible uh comedy routine in history but it was i'll never
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stop laughing over the Tide. Remember those Tide Pods? Yes. Well, if you can make it to Nashville,
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I'll let you go. But if you can make it to Nashville, we are having a delicious Tide Pod
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reception afterward. So we might not make it to episode 2001. Drew, thank you once again for
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my career and founding the show and everything. And looking forward to recapping at the 4,000th
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episode as well. Absolutely. Congratulations, Bob. Thanks. See you. Okay. Okay. There's a lot
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where I want to get to. I want to get to, hey, Tucker's leaving the GOP. You want to talk about
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shifts in conservative media. You have one of the biggest cable news host ever, who was the
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to need 2,000 episodes to get to all of this. Also, the Libs are trying to imprison Trump for
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at TakeLean.com. Tucker Carlson is leaving the Republican Party.
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I would not support the Republican Party. There's no chance I would support the Republican Party.
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i'm not going to support the democratic party i don't know what i'm going to do but at this point
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you know how could you support how could i or any american voter support a political party that's not
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loyal to the united states that puts the interest of a foreign country above those of its own
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citizens like that's that's you know it's not possible to vote for people like that and i'm
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not going to and i think i voted republican my entire life i worked at fox news i've cnn msnbc
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I've been a consistent defender for 35 years of the Republican Party.
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I mean, very consistent defender, but there's no defending this because it's immoral and
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it's exactly the opposite of what a political party in a democracy is charged with doing,
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which is representing its own voters, its own citizens, its own nation.
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And if I'm out, then I think a lot of other people are out.
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So Tucker's out of the GOP. He's been one of the leading conservative voices for decades,
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and he's out of the GOP. And a lot of people are asking, why? Not because the Republican Party is
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so great. As I frequently say, the Republican Party is the absolute worst party in the United
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States other than the Democrats. But why is he doing this now? And what changed? And I think
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the most obvious answer is that Tucker, in this stage of his public life, is doing a Pat Buchanan
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thing. Pat Buchanan, who also was one of the leading Republicans who ran to get the GOP
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nomination for president in 1992 after Reagan, who advised Nixon, who advised Reagan, who ultimately
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lost the nomination to Bush. And then he left the GOP and ran for president on the Reform Party
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ticket. And then he was an independent for a few years. Then he came back to be a Republican again.
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And so you could say, all right, maybe he's doing a Pat Buchanan kind of thing.
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He feels that the Republican Party is not sufficiently conservative.
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Even here, Tucker says the big issue is the GOP is too pro-Israel.
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Pat Buchanan also was skeptical of Israeli influence on American politics and on the GOP.
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So the analogy, I think, works pretty well, except that if the issue is that the GOP is too pro-Israel, the GOP has been pro-Israel for the whole time Tucker's been a Republican and for well before Tucker was a public Republican.
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The GOP has been pro-Israel since at least Richard Nixon.
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The nation of Israel probably would not exist without Richard Nixon's help.
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So, and even before that, the GOP, from the very founding of the state of Israel,
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If the issue for Tucker is the Iran war, if it's foreign intervention overseas,
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specifically the kind of foreign intervention that might help the state of Israel,
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Don't forget, Trump ran against the Bush neocon wars of the 2000s, but Donald Trump after George
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W. Bush obliterated ISIS. In fact, he ran in 2016 on obliterating ISIS. He struck Syria again to go
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after Bashar Assad because of Assad's purported use of chemical weapons. He took out the Iranian
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general during the first term. He killed the top Iranian general, Soleimani. He intervened in
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Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, Africa. He issued the raid killing the ISIS leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi,
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who died like a dog infamously. What changed? Trump has been super pro-Israel the whole time.
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They named a town after him in Israel during the first term, not during the second term.
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He was belligerent against Iran in the first term, not just during the second term.
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And then, of course, George W. Bush intervened very heavily in the Middle East. Tucker was a
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Republican the whole time. So what changed? I don't think you could say it was the GOP that
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changed. I don't think you could really say it's Trump that changed. A lot of people say, well,
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Trump ran against foreign wars. Trump ran, but kind of, but he also throughout his entire
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presidential career from the first term through the now second term, he has been intervening in
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the Middle East. He has been dropping the Moab. He has been killing Iranian generals. He has been
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doing all of that. So I don't think he really changed. And Trump was talking about going after
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the Iranians since the late 70s. So you could say, well, maybe it's just Tucker's perspective
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has changed. Could well be the case. But the other thing to remember here, and Tucker has been open
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about this, is I don't think Tucker voted for Trump or for anybody in 2016. Tucker told Politico in
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2021, quote, I never vote. So that's the truth. I didn't vote this time. I never do. I'm registered
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with a party that I sincerely despise because I think it's really a force for bad in this country
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and it's the Democratic Party. But I'm registered because I live in the district. So he registered
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as a dem because he lived in a dem area and wanted to influence the local elections. He was a one
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party state. And the one election I always vote in is the mayor's race because it matters. I own
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property there. I raise four children there. So he initially says, I never vote. And he says,
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no, I actually do vote in these local races, but I don't really care about the presidential race.
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In 2020 then, there was other reporting that he might have written in Kanye West.
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This was Kanye before he kind of went very extreme when he was doing the birthday party thing.
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Over the 35 years that Tucker's talking about, Trump hasn't really changed.
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But in as much as the GOP has changed, it has only changed for the better.
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The GOP has gotten better on national identity.
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The GOP has gotten better on the social issues.
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The GOP, there were Republicans campaigning for partial birth abortion in the 90s.
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Then when the GOP had a little dalliance embracing gay marriage, they've turned back on that one too.
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The GOP has gotten better on foreign intervention.
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So I just, I don't really know what changed about the GOP.
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Maybe we should have Tucker on to talk about it because I don't know.
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It seems to me the change is more just in his perspective rather than in the GOP or Trump
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In any case, though, I'm sympathetic to the view that we want some independence.
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Dante is this famous line that his grandfather tells him in Paradise, in the Divine Comedy,
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It will be better for you to be a party of yourself because you're going to be betrayed
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by all these elements of your party and the other party.
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And so I'm sympathetic to that. But if you are going to participate in politics, it's a team sport.
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So you pick one of the teams, and you try to reform that team from within. You try to beat
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the other team, crucially. If you take yourself out of that, you're going to embrace a kind of
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political quietism that cedes the ground to your opponents. Maybe we should have Tucker on to talk
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about it. I don't know. In any case, speaking of political independence, the Pope is criticizing
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the free market. Is this heresy? Is this a betrayal of John Paul II? The man who destroyed
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market and his criticism of the free market. I want to get to Dr. Fauci. But before we get to
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any of that. I want to bring on Mr. Ben Shapiro with his brilliant Harvard Law School legal
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knowledge to talk about Whoopi Goldberg's suggestion that President Trump go to jail
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for repainting the reflection pool in Washington, D.C. Before we bring on Ben, here's Whoopi.
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he is claiming that vandals are to blame he says they illegally placed chemicals in the water
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and left a 300-foot gash in the pool now five people are said to have been arrested
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he says a 10 year prison sentence will be strictly enforced oh well if he's saying he's
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going to jail for 10 years i'm gonna let him go because i mean it seems to me
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because if a contractor did this at your house,
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without our permission and we're suing the people who who did it because clearly they didn't know
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what they were doing okay i think i got i think i've got whoopi's argument i think i now i know
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ben first of all thank you for coming on well i mean first of all congratulations on making
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your 2000th episode i vowed on your 1000th episode you would not make your thousand and
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first episode and yet here you are a thousand episodes later and you are still here so congrats
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the benign neglect to allow this show to continue
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I know that, Ben, you went to Harvard Law School.
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Whoopi, I think, went to Stanford or Yale Law School.
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has committed the very crimes he's accusing the vandals of committing.
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I mean, it's a brilliant, it's a brilliant argument.
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I mean, I've rarely heard outside of, you know, Atticus Finch,
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It's always exciting when Whoopi decides to sign into chat
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with regard to her legal analysis of the situation.
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Can I just point out that I think actually what's going on
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with the reflecting pool is the best America 250 thing ever
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because the entire country is apparently enthralled
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That is what happens when you have the richest country
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that exists for most of us thousands of miles away.
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It's a great signifier that America is doing fine,
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in the middle of the summer when the algae grow.
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because the pool didn't come out precisely to her liking.
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And it does seem there's a real political story under this,
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and they still actually do want him to go to jail.
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but in every joke, there's a little bit of truth.
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but we're looking toward the end of the Trump era,
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Yes, 100 percent, 100 percent. And this is why, you know, I heard you talking about the whole Tucker, I'm leaving the Republican Party thing, which, you know, listen, I've been calling for ideological borders for a long time.
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So I'm also in favor of ideological self-deportation. So self-deportation is a perfectly fine policy for those who are illegal immigrants into the Republican Party and take advantage of our culture and values and refuse to assimilate.
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They can leave. It's OK. But, you know, the thing. Are you calling to send Tucker to Bukele's prison camp or anything? Can we make news on this show or?
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I mean, I'm not calling for him necessarily to be sent there.
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But if he decides to self-deport to his house in Qatar, that is perfectly fine with me.
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In any case, when you do that, when you have people in the Republican Party who keep saying that they're going to leave because they're pissed off with Iran.
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By the way, I'll point out, I'm not super happy with our current Iran policy.
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I'm sticking around and voting for the Republicans because I don't want these schmucks to win in November.
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And this is, I think, the biggest thing that you've been pointing out for a while, which is, you know, the alternative to whatever is going on, whatever the issues we have with what's going on on any of the sides.
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The alternative is these people who are literally standing there protesting in favor of algae and calling for their political opponents to be jailed on the basis of they just don't like them.
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And so if you think that that everything that we saw under Joe Biden has gone away permanently, whenever people say woke is dead, woke is not dead.
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woke is just asleep and it is perfectly capable of waking up at any second and being significantly
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worse than it ever was, by the way. If you think that it's going away or that it's moderated or
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something, that is absolutely untrue. The left, Unleash, will come for revenge, not just on Trump,
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but on everybody who just doesn't share their value system. And I think that's what you're
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seeing there. I totally agree. This is one where I get the impulse to say, well, not everything is
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going exactly as I want and, oh, the GOP is imperfect and, oh, I prefer this policy. I get
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it, of course. And look, I love cigars and port and tweed and talking about beautiful ideas in
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the realm of forms. It feels great. Light a nice fire and a nice cozy study. Wouldn't that be fun?
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But as much as I enjoy the purity of that experience, politics is not pure. It's ugly
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and mucky and messy. And it involves being on teams with people who you don't like or who you
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don't think are competent or who, you know, and to your point, but you say, I don't like the Iran
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policy either from the exact opposite direction. But you say, I'm not thrilled with that, but I'm
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sticking on the team. I'm going to try to change the team from within to some degree, but we got
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to focus on who the big threats are. I totally agree. The impulse to just kind of walk away from
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politics, I don't have it. I don't know, which is why I'm still here at 2000 episodes and which is
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why i'll be clinging to my desk at episode 4000 as you drag me kicking and screaming you say enough
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i've had it with the cigars you're leaving the studio michael i will still be clinging to it
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because it just seems to me that the political project is something we are called to do and to
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your point it's a great rejoinder ben which is that you in countries that have uh really
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explosive civil strife you don't get to sit around debating a swimming pool you don't get to do it
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And it's actually a privilege to be able to do so.
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that there are times when you do have to walk away
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so that you can walk back in in the future, right?
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I mean, that was actually my perspective in 2016
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where I didn't actually vote for the presidency.
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and we have to vote for one of these two parties
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And I think that your point that you were making earlier,
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I thought it was brilliant up until the very moment
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That is not you're you're probably if you're looking for, like, total available market, I feel like that is limiting your total available market, quoting Dante in the original Italian in the media on your show.
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Yeah. Yes. The populist, the populist angle to quoting Dante in the original Italian is limited.
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I mean, I'm just going to put that out there as a tactical matter. But if the if this sort of idea is that, you know, the that you're going to walk away, then you're going to walk back in.
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Like your point is really well taken, which is that the Republican Party has moved in the direction of a lot of the people who are now complaining about the most over the course of the last 10 years in a lot of different ways.
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It's gotten more conservative in a lot of different ways.
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It's also gotten bigger government in a lot of ways I don't like over the course of the last 10 years.
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I mean, there have been a lot of changes in the in the Republican Party.
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But again, when it comes right down to it in November, one of these parties is going to have a lot more control.
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And I'd prefer that it not be the party that is busily attempting to trans the kids, which, again, that will come back.
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If you think that's not if you think that's gone away, it's never coming back.
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Nonsense. That absolutely 100 percent will come back.
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Yeah, that's right. The party that is still wants to trans the kids, which is the crazy, craziest ideological policy of the last ever.
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And and the party that wants to jail its opponents and the party that wants to do violence against us.
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All right, Ben, I'm going to let you go do your show.
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And everybody will go watch your show after this.
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Yeah, hey, who should I take in the Boston game?
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Nah, no more statistically speaking. I want hot takes. I want knee-jerk reactions.
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need to run for office that's very kind of you i say you need to run for office your platform can
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freaking good. That is good. Mana. Mana. Make America normal again. Ooh, that's significant.
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You might, look, you might have convinced me. I'm not eager at this moment to run for office
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because it's a terribly thankless job that these days can land you in prison or dead.
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And you have to be away from your family a lot. You don't make any money. And it's not the nicest
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capitalist career, but it is public service. And if I can run with a cool tagline like that,
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maybe I will. Okay. Speaking of political independence and confounding ideological
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purity, Pope Leo XIV has just come out. He's gone viral for criticizing the free market.
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Is he a woke globalist, world economic forum, communist pope? What did he say?
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What did he say? Here's what he said. He said, it is important to resist the commodification
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of basic human needs. Food, water, and healthcare cannot be subordinated to market considerations
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or geopolitical interests. Access to adequate food is a fundamental human right grounded in
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the dignity of every person. Meeting this need not only alleviates suffering, but also addresses
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underlying causes of geopolitical instability. Indeed, food security is an essential component
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of global and integral security. And cue all of the charges that he's a communist, he's betraying
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his conservative predecessors, Benedict XVI, and John Paul II, the great conqueror of communism.
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Is this out of step with the Catholic tradition? People say, food costs money. What are you
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talking about? It can't be a commodity. Food costs money. Healthcare costs money. Shelter
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costs money. What did JP II say? JP II wrote an encyclical called Centesimus Annus, 100 years,
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on the 100th anniversary of Rerum Novarum, which is the beginning of Catholic social teaching,
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written by Leo's predecessor, Leo XIII. And here's what John Paul II said. This is after
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the fall of communism. He says, it would appear that on the level of individual nations and of
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international relations, the free market is the most efficient instrument for utilizing resources
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and effectively responding to needs. Boom, owned. Pope JP II owns Pope Leo XIV, right?
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Not quite, because JP II goes on. He says, but this is true only for those needs which are solvent
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insofar as they are endowed with purchasing power
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but marketable meaning they have a place in the market
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and not to allow those burdened by such needs to perish.
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It is also necessary to help these needy people
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and to develop their skills in order to make the best use of their capacities and resources.
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He says the free market is the most efficient way to allocate resources,
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but we need to recognize that there are some resources that are not solvent,
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Sorry, there are some needs which are not solvent,
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and there are some resources which are not marketable and don't achieve a satisfactory price.
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What he's saying, in other words, is perfectly harmonized with what Pope Leo is saying.
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He's saying, look, yeah, JP2 is focusing more explicitly on the free market and the goods of
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the free market. But he's saying, look, some people are destitute. And the arch ideological
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laissez-faire capitalist would say, too bad, you're on your own. I got mine and my property is 100%
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perfectly, absolutely mine. And too bad, I'm not my brother's keeper and you can go starve on the
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street. But what JP2 and Leo are saying is, no, no, no. When there are needs that are not solvent,
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when there are resources that are not marketable, that can't obtain a satisfactory price in the
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market, we have an obligation to intervene because men have dignity, which is prior to
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market regulations. And so that doesn't necessarily mean that you need some big
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government, some central planner to step in, though there probably is a role for the government.
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It could be charity. It could be the role of the church. It could be corporate philanthropy.
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But in any case, we actually do have an obligation to the poor people, to the elderly people, to the people who can't really take care of themselves, to the people who don't really find a place within the free market.
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We furthermore have an obligation to help try to bring those people into the market so that resources can be allocated efficiently.
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There is, in other words, a right to property and a universal destination of goods.
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And man actually does have a dignity that is prior to all of those market considerations, market considerations that nonetheless are important when we're talking about the good of properly allocating resources in a society.
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There's really no contradiction whatsoever from what Leo is saying.
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He's not being as explicit in his promotion of the goods of the free market, but there is no contradiction here between him and JP II, who everybody loves, and the long story of Catholic social teaching.
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I mean, JP2 even goes on and says, in third world contexts, certain objectives stated by Rerun Novarum remain valid and in some cases still constitute a goal to be reached if man's work and his very being are not to be reduced to the level of a mere commodity.
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And we employ the goods that come out of market dynamics for something greater.
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Sorry, trying to write off the Pope as a commie, not going to work today,
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unless you want to do the same thing to John Paul II.
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Okay, before we bring on, I have a very, very wonderful guest who's coming on for the member
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segmentum. Before we do that, though, I got to get to Rand Paul. Sorry, Rand Paul and Congressman
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Brad Wenstrup totally nailing Anthony Fauci because Tulsi Gabbard, as she is leaving the
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office of the Director of National Intelligence because her husband is sick with cancer.
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She goes out and says, hey, I'm releasing a bunch of documents that show that Fauci
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He funded the kind of research that led to COVID at the place where COVID broke out,
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And all of the Fauci defenders, they're going to try to sweep this under the rug.
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All the liberals who lock down your life, they're going to try to sweep this under the rug.
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There are two claims that are being made here by Tulsi Gabbard.
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One is that Fauci perjured himself when he was talking about the funding of gain-of-function research.
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This would have happened in 2021, Senate testimony with Rand Paul.
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Dr. Fauci, do you still support funding of the NIH funding of the lab in Wuhan?
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Senator Paul, with all due respect, you are entirely and completely incorrect
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Do you fund Dr. Barrett's gain-of-function research?
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Dr. Barrett does not doing gain-of-function research,
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and if it is, it's according to the guidelines,
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Yeah, we you are entirely Dr. Paul, Senator Paul, you are entirely incorrect.
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We do not fund gain of function. And then what happened? What did we find out? We found this
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out when I did my show still available on Daily Wire, Fauci Unmasked. We found out, no, he actually
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did fund that research. He funded EcoHealth Alliance under Peter Dejac, and they funded
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gain of function research, this kind of research in Wuhan. We've come to find out it was it was
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research on bat coronaviruses. So that's perjury, right? Well, the way Fauci's getting out of that
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is he's relying on a very, very narrow definition of gain-of-function research that has all of these
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technical criteria that was instituted in 2017. Gain-of-function research just means beefing up
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viruses to make them more potent. That's the general definition. But there is a very, very
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narrow regulatory definition that maybe the kind of research that he was funding doesn't quite
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meet maybe. But this is cheap. I mean, this is real deception. It's like a 24-year-old saying
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that he's a kid. You say, hey, 24-year-old, are you an adult? And he'll say, no, no, no,
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I'm a child. Because there's some research in psychology that shows that the brain doesn't
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fully develop until age 25. So technically, I'm a child. I'm not an adult. You say, well, look,
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I mean, maybe there is some really narrow definition by which you can try to make that
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really tenuous argument. But in plain language, if you were, for instance, speaking to a bunch
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of senators, you wouldn't be using that highly debatable and technical language. You would have
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to answer the question bluntly, and he didn't. He deceived here. But whatever, it's passed the
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statute of limitations for perjury. That was five years. It's now passed the five-year mark on the
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2021 testimony. So Fauci is going to get away with that. But that's not the only claim against
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Fauci. Fauci was then asked, also under oath, did you ever speak to the intelligence community
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about this kind of gain-of-function research regarding COVID.
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Before, during, or after the COVID-19 pandemic,
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did you speak to the FBI, CIA, DIA, or any U.S. intelligence agency
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Did you speak to the FBI, CIA, DIA, or any U.S. intelligence agency
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It could have been any of the above that you mentioned.
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Did you ever have conversations with the intelligence community about the origin of COVID-19?
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And you know they got him dead to rights here because Fauci's always got a quick answer.
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It's like the kid in class who doesn't know the answer or who doesn't want to give the answer.
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Yes, Johnny, what's your, could you, hold on, you, and he'll repeat the question.
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Could you be a little, what, could you repeat that, please?
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What Tulsi releases is troves of CIA memoranda, CIA briefings, whistleblower reports, intelligence
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community documents showing that Fauci did, in fact, have these conversations about the origin
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of COVID, and he was trying to cover it up. He was trying to suppress it. Then he perjured
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himself under oath, and that was in 2024. So the statute of limitations has not run out.
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The problem is Joe Biden gave him an unprecedented blanket presidential pardon.
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Every president uses pardons, but what Biden did was unique in that Biden pardoned people,
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including his criminal son, for 10 years of any federal crimes that might have been committed.
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In other words, he didn't specify the crime for which he would be pardoned. And this is not,
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probably the presidential pardon power is too absolute to really question,
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but this is not found in American history. Even when Jimmy Carter gave these blanket
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pardons to the draft dodgers, he was giving the pardons for a specific crime.
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In the case of Fauci, he just got this blanket, I think, dubious presidential pardon.
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He'll never spend one second in an orange jumpsuit.
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