The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 2014 - Biggest Blow To Charlie Kirk Conspiracies Comes From Tyler Robinson's Defense

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00:01:00.000 I go away for one week, and I need a five-hour episode to get through everything that happened.

00:01:06.300 Senator Lindsey Graham dies unexpectedly after a heart attack.

00:01:09.940 Senator Mitch McConnell might be alive after a heart attack, but no one's really sure.

00:01:14.960 America is fully back at war with Iran, and the pretrial hearing of Charlie Kirk's alleged

00:01:20.520 murderer, Tyler Robinson, deals what should be a death blow to the conspiracy theories.

00:01:25.440 And somehow, almost no one is talking about what that specific death blow is.

00:01:30.960 I'm Michael Knowles.

00:01:31.640 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:01:47.200 Welcome back to the show. 0.99

00:01:52.420 I was in New York for the week, for over a week in Mamdanistan. And Zoran Mamdani,

00:02:00.000 just before I get there, he does something unforgivable. He cuts Little Italy out of

00:02:04.680 the map of immigrant neighborhoods. That is anti-Italian discrimination. We'll get to

00:02:09.080 everything. We'll get to all of it if we have time. First up, I guess the biggest news of the

00:02:13.580 day of the last two days, Senator Lindsey Graham dies totally unexpectedly. He was 71 years old.

00:02:20.280 He was just overseas in Kiev. He looked good, relatively good, as far as 71-year-old senators

00:02:28.240 go. And then he drops dead of a heart attack. And there's all sorts of commentary flowing around

00:02:34.900 here. There are some conspiracy theories, which again, this reminds me of when Antonin Scalia

00:02:39.200 died. Antonin Scalia, who was 79, he was pretty overweight. He was an Italian man who was not in

00:02:45.040 the best of shape. And people said, oh, Obama must have had him killed. He'd been on a hunting 0.88

00:02:49.780 trip, just had a big dinner and was found dead in his bed in his pajamas the next morning. And I

00:02:53.760 thought, you know, when a 79-year-old man who is fairly overweight, big Italian guy, you know,

00:02:59.820 I think probably liked his gabagool and mortadella a little bit, as do we all. I don't know. When a

00:03:04.560 79-year-old Italian man who's not in the best of shape is found dead, my mind doesn't immediately

00:03:09.640 go to Michelle Obama holding a pillow over his head. That just sort of happens. And even Lindsey

00:03:15.340 Graham is a bit younger, 71 years old. 71 years old is not 31 years old or 41 years old. I don't

00:03:20.880 know that he was in the best of shape. And so the evidence seems to be he had a little bit of a

00:03:24.940 heart condition and he died. Very, very sad. Then some people in the commentary, they want to talk

00:03:31.300 about how much they didn't like Lindsey Graham because they disagreed with this foreign policy

00:03:34.360 or this or that or the other thing. I met Lindsey Graham one time. I had the privilege of meeting 0.99

00:03:38.380 him one time. This was in the early, early days of the Verdict podcast. Senator Cruz invited him

00:03:44.080 over from Capitol Hill. And I can tell you, Lindsey Graham was the single funniest guest

00:03:51.720 I have ever interviewed on a podcast, on any podcast, on any show that I've ever had.

00:03:56.740 He was instantly likable. He was very generous with his time. He was very knowledgeable.

00:04:03.240 He was a terrific guest. By all accounts, you're hearing from people who were his allies in the

00:04:09.800 Republican Party, people who didn't like him in the Republican Party. You're hearing from even

00:04:13.580 Democrats. At a personal level, everybody really seemed to like Lindsey Graham. And from the

00:04:18.680 teeny tiny little bit that I knew him, I really liked him too. So we should all pray for him,

00:04:23.680 you know, RIP, requiescat in pace. The people who want to start attacking him right now

00:04:29.460 would just remind you of some ancient wisdom, which is de mortuis nil nisi bonum.

00:04:38.880 of the dead, we speak nothing but good. This is wisdom that comes from Cylon of Sparta

00:04:45.200 in the sixth century BC. He is one of the seven sages of Greece. A lot of people want to come

00:04:54.520 after him. There was this person, what's her name? Anna Kasperian. She goes, good riddance.

00:04:59.900 I'm just reminded of some other wisdom. We're using a lot of ancient to medieval languages

00:05:04.500 here. There's a tradition in the West of bone chapels. So it's chapels made out of people's

00:05:11.700 skulls and bones and stuff. It's kind of creepy. And I remember I was in one, one time, I think

00:05:15.320 in Portugal, and I saw an expression. Here's it rendered in Italian.

00:05:19.020 Come tu sei fui ancora io, come io sono sarai ancora tu. As you are, I once was. And as I am,

00:05:29.960 you also will be.

00:05:32.900 In other words, you know,

00:05:34.120 let's not get too haughty here,

00:05:35.540 people who are living,

00:05:36.600 because you're going to wind up dead as well.

00:05:39.060 For those who really didn't like 0.81

00:05:40.600 Lindsey Graham's foreign policy,

00:05:43.300 if you want something really good

00:05:44.940 to remember him by,

00:05:45.820 don't forget this great moment

00:05:47.260 from the Kavanaugh hearings.

00:05:48.760 Ashley, you should be proud of this,

00:05:51.720 that you raised a daughter

00:05:53.000 who had the good character

00:05:55.300 to pray for Dr. Ford.

00:05:57.640 To my Republican colleagues, if you vote no, you're legitimizing the most despicable thing I have seen in my time in politics.

00:06:09.540 You want this seat? I hope you never get it.

00:06:13.660 I hope you're on the Supreme Court.

00:06:15.860 That's exactly where you should be.

00:06:18.060 And I hope that the American people will see through this charade.

00:06:22.140 and I wish you well, and I intend to vote for you, and I hope everybody who's fair-minded

00:06:29.580 will. You might not have a Justice Kavanaugh. You might not have that extra conservative vote

00:06:36.160 on the Supreme Court, which is more reliable than plenty of other justices that even Republicans

00:06:41.580 have appointed in the past. You might not have that without Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham was

00:06:46.920 a patriot. Even if you think he was wrong about everything, he was a patriot. He clearly loved

00:06:51.100 his country. He served his country in the Senate. He did not enrich himself. I think his net worth,

00:06:57.560 his estate is worth something like $3 million, which is a lot of money. But compared to his

00:07:01.320 colleagues in the Senate, it's really not. And that was after decades of a public career.

00:07:06.260 Lindsey Graham was not one of these insider trading guys. He wasn't in it for personal gain

00:07:10.280 exactly. He really loved his country. Even if you think he was wrong, he loved his country.

00:07:13.400 That's the definition of what a patriot is. And something that differentiates Lindsey Graham

00:07:17.180 from a lot of other Republicans is Lindsey Graham was a party man. He was a partisan.

00:07:24.300 He supported the party. He would go campaign for a guy. There was a story going around yesterday

00:07:28.500 of this as people were pouring out the eulogies. He campaigned for Blake Masters. He and Blake

00:07:32.860 Masters disagreed on a ton of stuff. Blake Masters has been on this show at least once or twice.

00:07:38.280 They really disagreed over Ukraine. And some donor asked about this. And reportedly,

00:07:42.100 Lindsey Graham said, so Blake's wrong on Ukraine. Who gives an SHIT? I want to make 1.00

00:07:46.640 sure that the Republicans win the majority. I want to be chairman of my committees. This is a team

00:07:50.960 sport, and the Republicans have to win. And there is too little of that. There is too little of that

00:07:55.500 understanding in all of the various factions of the right. And Lindsey Graham really did it.

00:07:59.700 For someone who is often pilloried as being chief neocon and squish or whatever, all the

00:08:05.780 Lindsey Graham-nesty, sometimes they called him. Was there anyone who fought harder to advance the

00:08:10.680 Trump agenda? The Trump agenda with which Lindsey Graham disagreed, at least in 2016? Was there

00:08:16.540 anyone who is a stronger defender of the party? I can't really think of one. I like partisans.

00:08:23.360 I like party men. I like people who understand how politics is played and who are effective at

00:08:27.480 it. And so anyway, RIP, enough on Senator Graham, but very sad to see him go. In terms of the

00:08:33.820 conspiracy theories about this, you have the Russian philosopher who's very close to the

00:08:37.760 Kremlin, Alexander Dugan. He tweets out, he says, the sudden death of Lindsey Graham can be the

00:08:43.760 black mark sent to Trump. I doubt it were Iranians. Most realistic, it was Mossad job in order to 1.00

00:08:50.720 push Trump to renew full-scale war with Iran. It clearly means you are next. Lindsey Graham was 0.73

00:08:57.420 the shadow of Trump, his black self. Somebody get that man a podcast. Somebody, I was waiting. 1.00

00:09:05.260 Somehow this had to connect back to Israel and the Mossad, even though Lindsey Graham was like

00:09:09.960 one of the most pro-Israel people in the entire world. They had to kill him to get Trump to 0.85

00:09:15.480 fight Iran, which he's already bombing Iran. He was bombing Iran before. Anyway, get Dugan a 0.93

00:09:21.320 podcast. That's the kind of stuff that would flourish. Get that man an X account. Oh, he

00:09:26.720 already has an X account. Okay, that's fine. Funny thing about Dugan. I've read a little bit of

00:09:31.580 Dugan. Dugan is an actual political philosopher, but he hides the ball sometimes. I remember,

00:09:36.600 I think he did a podcast with Tucker. This was a year or two ago. Maybe it was someone else,

00:09:41.040 but I thought it was Tucker. And I was very, I was very angry about that podcast because he

00:09:45.080 hides the ball. He gave, it was this totally lame defensive free speech or something that was

00:09:50.160 clearly Dugan doesn't even believe in. And it, the thing you have to remember about a guy like

00:09:55.400 Dugan, Dugan, whose political philosophy is not quite fascism or communism or liberalism. It's

00:10:00.800 this kind of fourth way. And he's writing, it's a little esoteric. And anyway, he's an interesting

00:10:06.180 guy to read. But the thing you have to remember about guys like this is his political philosophy

00:10:11.940 comes down to making Russia great. And so even if you kind of agree with the intellectual threads

00:10:19.100 or some of the intellectual threads in his philosophy, he hates your country. He wants

00:10:24.780 your country to lose. He wants you to lose. He's an operative. When he says stuff like this,

00:10:30.020 I don't even think he believes it. He's just saying it to advance, to kind of divide the

00:10:35.460 write up a little bit and divide America and try to advance his own interests, his own interests,

00:10:41.120 which are Russia. But in any case, it was a very funny reaction, probably the least plausible of

00:10:46.760 all the explanations of Lindsey Graham's death, which means Dugan needs a podcast. Okay.

00:10:51.980 Speaking of conspiracies, another thing that I missed while I was away was the pre-trial hearing.

00:10:58.160 It's not the trial, but it's the pre-trial hearing in the case of Charlie Kirk's alleged

00:11:02.240 murderer, Tyler Robinson. We will get to everything we learned from there, because there's a lot of

00:11:06.540 information that we didn't even know, a lot of evidence. We knew previously, getting ahead of

00:11:10.580 myself, we knew previously about a ton of the evidence that Tyler Robinson did it. But we found

00:11:15.340 even more in this pretrial hearing where the state is presenting its case to the judge.

00:11:20.620 But more important than that, for all of the conspiracies that have been floating around,

00:11:24.940 I think you saw the biggest blow to the conspiracies come, and it didn't come from

00:11:30.980 the prosecution. It actually came from the defense. There's a lot more to say first,

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00:12:39.860 This was a probable cause hearing

00:12:42.900 in the lengthy prosecution

00:12:46.220 of Charlie Kirk's alleged murderer, Tyler Robinson.

00:12:49.600 So this is not a trial.

00:12:51.460 Trial's not gonna be for a while.

00:12:52.800 The sentencing wouldn't be for a while after that.

00:12:54.300 The execution wouldn't be for a long time after that.

00:12:55.800 we'll get to that whole timeline. This is a probable cause hearing. It's to determine if

00:13:01.400 the case should proceed to trial. What did we see in terms of evidence? We know that this guy

00:13:07.540 is being prosecuted for aggravated murder with a victim targeting enhancement for political

00:13:13.560 expression, felony discharge of a firearm, obstruction of justice, witness tampering,

00:13:18.340 and committing a violent crime in the presence of a child. In fact, many children.

00:13:21.520 We saw video surveillance.

00:13:24.440 We know that Tyler Robinson's car was on camp.

00:13:27.020 I guess I have to say allegedly, allegedly until he's convicted.

00:13:30.000 But we know that we saw from the prosecutors that the car was on campus by 8.30 a.m.

00:13:35.600 We saw four visits to the campus that day, a campus that he did not attend.

00:13:39.260 We see him, according to prosecutors, getting to the roof via the stairs, crawling prone into a sniper position, running across the roof immediately after the shot is fired.

00:13:50.400 because we know the timing of the shot, so we can follow him immediately after the shot is fired.

00:13:55.000 Prosecutors show he is running across the roof. We see a limp in a gate consistent,

00:13:59.800 not with an injury, but with hiding a rifle in his pants. We see from the state that Robinson's

00:14:06.540 own mother identified him from the surveillance video, and then his own father encouraged him to

00:14:14.100 turn himself in. That's not even the physical evidence. We then get to the physical evidence

00:14:18.480 of the gun, which has one spent round in it and three unspent rounds in it, entirely consistent

00:14:24.460 with the assassination of Charlie. We find Robinson's DNA on the gun. We also find,

00:14:30.700 and this is truly nauseous, we find Robinson's and his tranny boyfriend, the furry tranny boyfriend, 0.97

00:14:36.440 Twiggs, both of their DNA on the towel around the gun. Let's just leave it at that. Let's just 0.94

00:14:45.440 leave it at that because it's too gross to keep talking about it. We find engraved shell casings

00:14:51.400 matching etchings on a shell casing found at Tyler Robinson's home. If they find one of the

00:14:58.080 shell casings at Tyler Robinson's home, we find the rest in the gun. We find a screwdriver on

00:15:02.180 the roof with a mixture of Robinson's and Twiggs's DNA. Then we have the confessions.

00:15:08.360 Quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it

00:15:11.700 from Robinson, according to the state, post-shooting text messages in which Robinson

00:15:16.760 allegedly confessed, I am the guy who did it. I'm sorry. I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't

00:15:22.020 be negotiated out. According to the tranny boyfriend, Robinson cried and expressed guilt 0.91

00:15:27.220 the next day. He apparently voluntarily surrendered after encouragement from family and friends. 0.63

00:15:33.520 And just if there were any question about whether or not he felt he was being wrongly accused or

00:15:39.400 alternately, if he felt true regret this many months later, he was reportedly laughing in court

00:15:44.980 as Charlie's widow, Erica, wept. We also have a video of the tranny boyfriend, who is now 0.88

00:15:51.480 dressed up a little bit more like a guy, saying this. So he acted erratically. Was he pacing? 0.99

00:16:00.800 Was he just sitting down, relaxing? No, he was walking around a lot.

00:16:04.940 And that's within the home. And did he talk about what he had done?

00:16:13.420 I didn't go into detail. He just I just asked him in person if what he said was true the night before.

00:16:20.560 And he said it was. I started crying a little bit and said he wishes he hadn't done it and then kept going around and just doing stuff, I think, to keep himself busy or distracted or something.

00:16:36.420 So there you get not only a confession, but you get the tranny boyfriend saying that he confessed it not only by note and by text, but by voice to him and saying that he regretted it and on and on and on. 0.98

00:16:50.600 We don't have time to get to all of the evidence. 0.98

00:16:53.400 What did the defense say?

00:16:55.060 This to me is the most interesting because if you followed the case at all, you knew about a lot of this evidence.

00:17:04.040 Now, the state did seem to have a little bit more than the public had previously known.

00:17:08.880 But to me, what's most interesting is what the defense said.

00:17:12.060 The defense, during the pretrial hearing, tried to get rid of the victim targeting enhancement,

00:17:18.660 say, no, no, no, it was only aggravated murder, but don't say it was for political expression.

00:17:23.120 So the defense, they didn't try to throw out the charge or something, the whole charge.

00:17:28.320 They said, no, no, no, it's just he wasn't, he wouldn't have targeted Charlie for his political views.

00:17:34.620 In other words, they're trying to downplay what a leftist freak Tyler Robinson is. 0.93

00:17:39.420 Then they tried to get the tranny boyfriend's video excluded. 0.74

00:17:43.500 They were partially successful with some redactions and limits on the broadcast. 0.97

00:17:47.960 They said, no, no, no, don't let the tranny boyfriend speak. 0.97

00:17:51.000 And then they tried to, this one's pretty silly. 0.95

00:17:53.400 they tried to disqualify the entire Utah County Attorney's Office because a prosecutor's kid 0.64

00:17:58.640 was at the event. Yeah. If you could exclude people in political office based on their kids

00:18:06.700 attending a turning point event, then no Republican would be able to do anything in

00:18:11.080 politics at all. That's how important turning point is. That's how influential it is among

00:18:15.240 young people. That is, in fact, why Charlie was targeted. So on to the conspiracy theories,

00:18:21.280 because I think the defense is the key here. Obviously, a lot of conspiracy theories around

00:18:25.700 Charlie's murder, mostly or chiefly advanced by Candace, but there's some other people too.

00:18:31.300 I think Tucker has alluded to some of them. He said somewhere that Israel was killed for his

00:18:36.580 changing support of Israel, something like that. Other people, sort of second and third tier 0.65

00:18:41.380 influencer types also have alluded to them. And then there's been all sorts of podcast consternation

00:18:48.940 and commentary and many, many hours and tweets and all this stuff, none of which has weakened

00:18:54.400 the conspiracy theories at all, and not nearly as much as the presentation of evidence.

00:19:00.520 That, I think, maybe took them down a notch. I think the prosecution did in court in front

00:19:06.620 of a judge what 10,000 podcasts and tweets really could not do, which is just present

00:19:11.300 the evidence, which might start to change people's minds. But to my mind, the prosecution

00:19:16.800 was not nearly as successful as the defense was at weakening the conspiracy theories.

00:19:23.260 Because notice, when you examine what the defense is doing, notice what the defense

00:19:28.420 is not doing. The defense is not embracing any of the conspiracy theories.

00:19:35.360 Isn't that weird? The group that has the greatest interest in getting Tyler Robinson off the hook

00:19:44.120 is not embracing any of the conspiracy theories that have been promoted in the podcasts,

00:19:49.980 whether we're talking about by Candace or Tucker hasn't really gone that into depth about them,

00:19:54.880 but he did mention Israel or anyone else. The defense is not going into that at all.

00:20:00.320 Isn't that odd? Don't you think the defense, which would like to get Tyler Robinson off the

00:20:03.900 hook any way it can, if those theories were compelling at all, wouldn't the defense be

00:20:08.540 embracing them. On the contrary, not only is the defense not embracing the theories,

00:20:14.940 the defense, we were reminded last week, has explicitly rejected them. Or I should say,

00:20:21.480 distinctly rejected them. Maybe not explicitly, but distinctly. Last October, the defense attorney,

00:20:26.180 Richard Novak, said, quote, there's a reference to, you know, unstable people coming to the

00:20:32.240 courthouse, to conspiracy theorists saying things online. We're all aware of that. I mean, I don't

00:20:37.860 know what the court has read. It's none of my business. I've received some wacky phone calls

00:20:41.700 and emails, people telling me what they think happened here. It's noise. We're not litigating

00:20:47.800 this case in the press. We're not talking to crazies. We don't think that the intense public

00:20:52.560 interest, which may be drawing in unstable fringe people from the left and the right and the center

00:20:56.880 and other places, is imputed to Mr. Robinson. That is as blunt as it gets, is saying, no,

00:21:03.040 we think the conspiracy theories are crazy. That's the defense. But even in March 26th of

00:21:09.140 this year, the defense said, there seems to be an idea that flooding the public square with

00:21:12.820 information or evidence from this courthouse will somehow dispel conspiracy theories or

00:21:17.080 shift public narrative. That in and of itself is concerning to the defense. No one should be

00:21:21.000 worried about that. So he's saying, I know that some people want there to be full transparency.

00:21:25.560 I know the prosecution wants there to be transparency of the evidence in order to

00:21:29.480 dispel the conspiracy theories, but we don't care about dispelling the conspiracy theories.

00:21:34.660 We're not adopting them. We think they're crazy. We reject them in our arguments, 0.74

00:21:39.120 but we don't want the evidence out there to the public. Why? Because the defense is implicitly

00:21:45.020 admitting the evidence totally convicts Tyler Robinson. I don't know how you read that any

00:21:52.520 other way. And this is what, you know, I'm like a glass half full kind of guy, as you know. I try

00:21:58.220 to look on the bright side of things. One of the bright sides of the surveillance state

00:22:02.280 is when people commit crimes, you can often nab them for it. You have video of Tyler Robinson

00:22:09.480 all over that campus all day. You've got cell phone data showing him at the places where you

00:22:14.480 would expect him to be if he committed the crime. You got him. Now, look, I think the pre-trial

00:22:21.800 hearing, as I predicted from the beginning, the pre-trial hearing has done infinitely more than

00:22:27.720 all of the babble and all the chatter and all of the noise, to use the defense's term,

00:22:31.720 combined to set the record straight. And this was only a pre-trial hearing.

00:22:36.640 So we were looking on the bright side, now we're going to look on the darker side of things,

00:22:41.080 which is this is going to take forever. A lot of people just reading the press last week thought

00:22:46.660 this was the trial of the guy. It's not. It's going to take forever. This trial is likely not

00:22:54.720 going to take place until late 2027 or early 2028. Then the conviction could occur in late

00:23:04.420 2028 or later or early 2029. Then after the sentencing, it will likely take 15 to 20 years

00:23:15.480 or more to actually execute him because prosecutors are seeking the death penalty here

00:23:20.080 totally reasonably. As a result, that means that this guy might not be actually executed

00:23:26.240 until 2049. And this is a grave injustice. One, even if everything goes swimmingly and all of the

00:23:35.640 evidence is accepted and he's convicted and all the rest, he's going to get to live a decently

00:23:40.820 long life. He's going to get to live a lot longer of a life than Charlie did. This is going to

00:23:46.360 extend the drama of all of this for years for the Kirk family, for Erica, his widow, and for

00:23:54.460 Charlie's parents and Charlie's kids. It's going to drag on and on and on. There's an ancillary

00:24:03.760 part of this debate, which is about the death penalty. And some people on the right reject the

00:24:07.020 death penalty. Some Catholics reject the death penalty based on prudential insertions into the

00:24:13.240 catechism over the last 30 years. Obviously, over the course of 2,000 years, the Catholic

00:24:16.260 Church has not opposed the death penalty until very, very recently as a prudential matter. But

00:24:20.720 regardless, you want to talk about injustice. You want to talk about cruel and unusual punishment.

00:24:26.560 Dragging this out this long, that's what seems to me to be unjust. That's what seems to be unjust.

00:24:32.620 That this could go on and on and on. And by the way, the chatter is going to go on and on and on

00:24:37.480 too. And even the conspiracy theories, which, you know, the ultimate reason that people entertain

00:24:45.100 conspiracy theories, one, is because sometimes they're right, like with COVID, the lab leak and

00:24:50.860 the vaccine not working or the vaccine being dangerous or whatever. Sometimes they are right.

00:24:56.600 I mean, conspiracies are just when people secretly collude to get one over on people.

00:25:00.500 But the other reason is that people like to entertain them. And so it's going to go on and

00:25:03.980 on and on. The only thing that's going to maybe start to knock it down is the presentation of

00:25:10.620 facts in a courtroom to establish within these sorts of parameters what actually happened.

00:25:19.620 And at the very least here, a little silver lining, we can be grateful to the defense.

00:25:26.380 If I'm just listening to the arguments of the prosecutors and the arguments of the defense,

00:25:30.600 It's actually the defense that is convincing me

00:25:34.100 that Tyler Robinson is guilty of sin.

00:25:35.860 Okay, much more to say on that.

00:25:37.620 I'm sure we'll have much more to say

00:25:38.560 over the days and weeks and months and years

00:25:40.500 that this is dragging on.

00:25:41.340 There's a lot more to say first though.

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00:26:42.760 slash Knowles. We are back at war with Iran, like really at war. In fact, I did get on a call 0.68

00:26:53.460 over the vacation week. I did get on a call with senior U.S. officials to discuss what was

00:27:01.040 happening. And yeah, it was clear. Iran violated the ceasefire. Iran has violated the MOU.

00:27:08.880 Now we're not just talking about exchanging one little missile here or there. We're talking about 0.80

00:27:12.720 full-on, we're back at war. Iran is hitting a bunch of U.S. allies, firing on a bunch of ships.

00:27:20.480 What's the latest? The U.S. attacked Iran early Sunday morning over an Iranian strike on a

00:27:26.460 container ship in the Strait of Hormuz that left it ablaze, left a crew member missing.

00:27:30.420 Now Iran is hit by rain, Kuwait, Qatar, Jordan, Oman.

00:27:37.380 Here we are again in Schrodinger's Strait of Hormuz. Oil is still flowing through the Strait

00:27:42.680 of Hormuz. But what the U.S. is demanding now, according to senior administration officials,

00:27:46.900 is a public statement from the Iranian system saying, well, they call it the Iranian system

00:27:51.600 rather than the Iranian government because there are so many moving parts to it. But the Iranian

00:27:55.460 system needs to make a public statement saying that the entire Strait of Hormuz, all channels

00:28:00.000 are open. They need to acknowledge that they made a mistake here, that they violated the MOU. In any

00:28:06.000 case, I don't know that that's actually going to happen. So we're stuck in this war. And it reminds

00:28:10.000 me of another historical event. Some people are comparing this to the war in Iraq. Some people

00:28:15.300 are going back further. They're comparing this to the Suez crisis with the British.

00:28:19.320 The Suez moment, which signaled the end of the British Empire, is a major global power.

00:28:24.460 I go back further. I go back to 1375, in fact. Pope Gregory XI is in Avignon. His legates in

00:28:33.720 Italy, they're getting a little territorially hungry. They want to expand their territory.

00:28:39.460 And so they see that Florence is looking like a nice place to go in and expand their power.

00:28:44.300 Now, Florence had anticipated this. Florence established a war council, the Council of Eight.

00:28:49.760 They established a military alliance with Milan, other city-states, and they had started to foment

00:28:55.600 some unrest in the papal states, which obviously were controlled by the papacy. The papal legate

00:29:01.060 under Gregory XI thought that it'd be really easy to just go in and clobber Florence. It had already

00:29:05.740 been weakened. I think there had been a famine there. So they start this war. They think it's

00:29:09.440 can be quick and easy. But it's not, because Florence was prepared for the war. And the war

00:29:15.160 actually dragged on for three years. And the papacy tried to pull the different levers of power it had,

00:29:20.140 obviously religious power and ecclesiastical power. But sometimes the Florentines would 0.72

00:29:24.160 counter that. They would force the clergy in Florence to keep up the religious processions

00:29:30.620 and the religious ceremonies. So that didn't totally work. They tried to pull some economic

00:29:34.860 levers. The Florentines were prepared for that. So it didn't totally work. The war 0.80

00:29:39.400 dragged on. It wasn't just three days or three weeks. It dragged on for three years. And in fact,

00:29:43.700 the war did not end until the death of Pope Gregory XI. You get the rise of the new pope,

00:29:49.900 and even then it only ends in a negotiated peace. What does this tell us? Well, it leads Machiavelli,

00:29:57.660 who is a Florentine and maybe the inventor of modern political science. It leads Machiavelli

00:30:03.920 to conclude in his Florentine histories, quote, wars begin at the will of anyone, but they do not

00:30:10.420 end at anyone's will. Oh, even more beautiful in the Italian. There's a lot of hubris, especially

00:30:24.920 on the neocon side in American politics, but just this is perennial. This is throughout history

00:30:29.420 everywhere. There's a lot of hubris. People think that wars can be won very quickly and crucially

00:30:35.920 on one's own terms. Not so. Wars can begin on one's own terms, but they don't end on one's

00:30:43.720 own terms because your opponent, your enemy has a say in the war. And I fear that's the issue here.

00:30:48.920 I opposed the strikes on Iran this time around going in. And as the bombs were dropping during

00:30:55.660 the Daily Wire broadcast. I remained very, very skeptical of them and skeptical every day since

00:31:00.140 then. I said, look, Trump has a good record on foreign policy. So the die is cast and I'm going

00:31:04.400 to support him and we're going to rally the troops. But I always viewed this as a major

00:31:13.100 potential quagmire and probably not having the juice worth the squeeze. And I think that view

00:31:18.160 has been vindicated here. Wars begin at the will of anyone. They do not end at anyone's will.

00:31:26.420 Unfortunate. Okay. Speaking of predictions, I totally called my shot on Graham Plattner.

00:31:33.400 We haven't even gotten to Graham Plattner yet. Graham Plattner is the Vermont Senate candidate.

00:31:37.740 He's the Nazi tattoo guy who said that if someone broke into his home, he would rape that guy. He 0.99

00:31:42.780 would sodomize him, but not in a gay way. He had some lady problems in the past, and Democrats 0.99

00:31:50.320 loved him because Democrats have such a low opinion of voters that they said, this is how

00:31:54.260 we're going to appeal to the working class. We're going to get a Nazi rapist to be our nominee, 0.99

00:31:57.860 and that's going to appeal to those unwashed, disgusting rubes that we need to bring back 1.00

00:32:01.380 into our tent. What a great idea. Let's go have another Chablis. Cheers. And they have such a 1.00

00:32:08.280 cynical, low opinion of voters. They said, Graham Plattner, I know, the peasants, they're all

00:32:13.020 violent and idiotic. Let's just go, let's get one of those guys to run. Anyway, I was on Sean 1.00

00:32:20.340 Hannity's show. We don't have the clip. I'm really irritated. Someone needs to go find the clip. I

00:32:24.760 did actually find the clip last week, but the producers don't have it. I was on Sean Hannity's

00:32:29.780 I think it was something like six weeks ago. And I was asked about Plattner. There were already

00:32:38.500 some problems, but the Democrats were doubling and tripling down on Plattner. And I said,

00:32:43.580 nah, he's out. They're going to pull him out. He's going to go down. They're going to replace

00:32:47.900 him with someone new. Trust me, the hits from the New York Times, these little leaks here and there,

00:32:53.820 They're doing to Graham Plattner exactly what they did to Eric Swalwell in California.

00:33:00.160 They're giving him warning shots.

00:33:01.740 The first sexual scandal, that was a warning shot.

00:33:04.020 The Nazi tattoo thing, that was a warning shot. 0.79

00:33:06.180 But they're going to clobber him because they know that he can't go the distance in Maine. 0.90

00:33:09.640 So they're going to replace him before the final deadline where they can get somebody else in there.

00:33:13.760 Mark my words.

00:33:14.560 And people thought I was crazy.

00:33:15.840 I was totally right about that.

00:33:17.300 I got to get the clip.

00:33:18.660 Someone needs to find the clip to vindicate me on this.

00:33:21.400 In any case, the part of the prediction I did not get right is I predicted that the guy to

00:33:25.440 replace him would be this congressman. And the congressman says he's not running. Now,

00:33:30.520 I'm still not totally convinced of that. I might still be vindicated on that. But in any case, 0.69

00:33:34.000 I got the prediction at least half right. I would say probably mostly right here.

00:33:37.720 The Democrats are playing this too smart. They're going to have to replace him.

00:33:42.200 Now, speaking of Senate seats, Lindsey Graham is dead. Mitch McConnell ostensibly is alive.

00:33:50.860 He also had a heart attack. And Mitch McConnell's office posted some photo of him yesterday,

00:33:56.460 and it looks like he's holding the day's newspaper. But then the AI platforms have

00:34:00.920 come out and said that the picture is AI, and I don't know what it is. It's led to not only

00:34:07.260 Schrodinger's Strait of Hormuz, but Schrodinger's former Senate majority leader, which is,

00:34:12.420 is Mitch McConnell alive or dead? Could you have possibly lost two Republican senators?

00:34:18.520 That's pretty close to losing your majority there in the span of a week.

00:34:23.140 We'll get to some of the demands that are coming from the Democrats and the Republicans.

00:34:27.040 People demanding, show me proof of life. And I say, no, I don't want proof of life.

00:34:32.580 We'll get to why in a second. First though, my favorite comment is this,

00:34:36.780 yesterday. I guess it was because I love, I love you and I love this show. And I couldn't, even

00:34:43.880 though I was going away, I said, I have to spend a week with my family. I have to take one week

00:34:47.160 off a year, but I wanted to make sure that there were shows going on. So there's, there were still

00:34:51.140 were different interviews and little things that went out last week. Anyway, my favorite comment

00:34:54.620 is from Lexi Young, who says, I'm here. I've been listening to this show for just over a week

00:34:58.820 and I have loved listening and reading the comments. I asked that I can please join this

00:35:03.260 chill comment section. This is on Spotify, obviously. Obviously, this is America,

00:35:07.760 so I'm here regardless, but I'm very conservative and very chill, so there should not be any issues.

00:35:12.480 Yeah, that's great. What's really funny is you started watching the show the minute I went on

00:35:18.660 vacation. Should I go on vacation more to get new listeners? That's a great idea. In any case,

00:35:23.100 though, yes, I love the Spotify comments. Not that I, look, I like YouTube too, but the YouTube

00:35:27.500 comments section, as always, is kind of schizo. It's a schizo platform, and it's full of schizo 1.00

00:35:34.020 people writing schizo comments. Whereas on Spotify, it's really chill, man. So I encourage people to 1.00

00:35:39.720 head on over to Spotify. You can watch the show and listen to the show and leave very chill comments.

00:35:44.940 If you want to leave schizo comments, do it on YouTube. Now, I have a question for you. Are 0.98

00:35:48.560 soul ties real? Was Tucker's story about being attacked by a demon possible? Why don't people

00:35:54.540 film exorcisms? These are just a few of the questions that many of you have posted on X

00:35:59.100 while I was filming the latest episode of Off the Clock with Father Dan Rehill. Take a look.

00:36:09.600 Glenn Diagram says, has anyone ever seen Father Rehill and Glenn Beck in the same room before?

00:36:16.640 I get... No. I could... You do bear some resemblance to Glenn. I don't think so.

00:36:22.420 You don't know. I see where the commenter is coming from.

00:36:26.260 I was told at the last conference I was at that I look like the British baking man.

00:36:31.060 I don't know his name. Anybody know his name? A baking show.

00:36:34.180 Yeah, the great- Hollywood. Paul Hollywood, maybe?

00:36:37.140 Okay, now I can't unsee it. So now you're the great British bake-off guy. Okay, all right.

00:36:52.420 hear father rehels answers in the full episode available now on youtube for the unedited and

00:36:59.420 ad-free version watch now on daily wire plus senator mitch mcconnell is in the hospital or

00:37:07.460 some kind of rehab facility democrat kentucky governor andy beshear is demanding that mitch

00:37:12.420 mcconnell give answers on his medical condition so obviously the democrat governor of kentucky

00:37:20.040 has big incentive to try to put pressure on Mitch McConnell. But Republicans are doing it too.

00:37:27.660 Now, McConnell's wife is the former Transportation Secretary, Elaine Chao.

00:37:32.160 When McConnell goes to the hospital, she goes to China and meets with the Chinese Vice President

00:37:37.840 Han Zhang in Beijing. That's kind of weird. If your husband is in the hospital, why are you

00:37:44.140 flying to meet with America's biggest geopolitical opponent. It's a little weird. Her office claimed

00:37:50.340 that McConnell's condition, quote, did not warrant an immediate return to the United States.

00:37:54.780 Then current Senate Majority Leader John Thune and Senate Majority Whip John Barrasso

00:37:59.180 said that they have spoken to Mitch McConnell at length about Senate business and Supreme Court

00:38:05.360 decisions and the Graham Plattner scandal. And there was this kind of odd thing that happened.

00:38:10.740 After Mitch McConnell, we're told,

00:38:11.960 had some kind of heart incident,

00:38:13.680 maybe a heart attack, whatever.

00:38:14.980 He's in the hospital.

00:38:16.140 Immediately, people wanted to post proof of life.

00:38:18.140 So all of a sudden, you had all these guys

00:38:20.040 in politics, in media.

00:38:22.060 I think maybe Scott Jennings posted.

00:38:23.400 He said, oh, I spoke to my friend Mitch McConnell

00:38:24.680 for 20 minutes today.

00:38:26.320 And we were discussing Iran and Senate business.

00:38:30.960 And I was waiting for people to say,

00:38:31.780 I spoke to Senator McConnell,

00:38:33.580 my old buddy Mitch, for 10 hours today.

00:38:35.800 We solved the Riemann hypothesis.

00:38:38.000 We were discussing Fermat's last theorem, quantum entanglement.

00:38:43.180 You know, Senator McConnell had really interesting thoughts, new discoveries, actually.

00:38:47.880 So he's doing great anyway.

00:38:49.720 He's doing great.

00:38:51.220 Then you get to Trump.

00:38:53.480 Some reporters asked President Trump on Air Force One how McConnell's doing.

00:38:57.600 And he goes, quote, I have no idea how he's doing.

00:39:02.780 So he's doing great.

00:39:04.560 We're talking to him.

00:39:05.560 He's sharper than ever.

00:39:06.920 He's doing great.

00:39:08.080 And then gets to the president of the United States, who one would imagine is being briefed

00:39:12.960 on this.

00:39:13.440 And he goes, what, McConnell?

00:39:14.440 I have no idea.

00:39:15.100 No clue.

00:39:15.680 Beats me.

00:39:16.460 So we don't know.

00:39:18.340 We just don't know.

00:39:20.380 McConnell's office released an image of him and his wife.

00:39:23.580 We thought the wife was still in China.

00:39:25.160 I guess the wife is back from China.

00:39:26.240 I don't know.

00:39:27.100 I don't know.

00:39:27.700 I don't know.

00:39:28.780 Maybe it's a real photo.

00:39:29.780 Maybe it's not a real photo.

00:39:30.720 Maybe I hope he's okay.

00:39:32.620 I like Mitch McConnell.

00:39:33.420 But you know what I will tell you is while everyone, Democrat and Republican, is demanding an update on McConnell's health, we need to know what's going on.

00:39:44.300 I don't need an update on McConnell's health.

00:39:48.560 I hope he's doing well.

00:39:49.480 We should pray for him to recover.

00:39:51.760 But I don't need an update.

00:39:53.520 You know what I need?

00:39:54.700 I need Mitch McConnell to remain plausibly in office until August 3rd.

00:40:00.400 That's what I need.

00:40:01.140 because if something were to happen to Senator McConnell

00:40:06.120 and he were forced to leave office before August 3rd,

00:40:09.280 that would trigger a special election

00:40:11.220 that could very seriously complicate the midterm election

00:40:14.360 because Mitch McConnell is retiring at the end of this term.

00:40:18.040 So there will be a new senator from Kentucky

00:40:20.100 in January of 2027

00:40:22.140 and the candidates are selected and it's all great

00:40:24.540 and the Republicans are definitely going to win.

00:40:26.100 And if there's a special election, he could screw that up.

00:40:28.760 you could get Thomas Massey running as a kind of anti-Trump or anti-Republican-Republican.

00:40:34.820 You could get, whatever happens, it introduces an element of uncertainty that could swing it

00:40:42.480 to the Democrats or really mess it up for the Republicans. You know what? I don't need my

00:40:46.280 curiosity satisfied. Politics is not about curiosity. Politics is not about entertainment.

00:40:52.760 politics is not about fun little intellectual rabbit trails to go down. Politics is about

00:41:00.540 advancing the common good in a community. That's what politics is for. And so what I need right

00:41:07.780 now is Mitch McConnell to remain in office until August 3rd. I hope he can speak, but I don't care

00:41:13.340 if he can speak. I hope he's conscious. I don't need him to be conscious. I need Mitch McConnell

00:41:18.460 to remain the Senator from Kentucky until August 3rd. And I know that Mitch McConnell agrees with

00:41:24.240 that. You never want to speak for people who are not making public statements or in a state of bad

00:41:29.360 health or dead. But with McConnell, he's one of the greatest operators of our lifetimes in politics.

00:41:36.980 He moves all the levers. He's such a good, I mean this in the best sense of the term,

00:41:41.680 he's such a good political manipulator that I know McConnell would agree. Because partisanship,

00:41:48.460 winning, all that stuff really matters. This is a line from old Cocaine Mitch.

00:41:52.700 It's a line I stole from Cocaine Mitch, which is that the winners go make laws and the losers go

00:41:58.540 home. Very important way to think about politics. Okay, I said I'd get to it at the top of the show

00:42:02.940 and I will. Zoran Mamdani, really just sticking it to me, twisting the knife. I rarely get back

00:42:10.460 to New York. I am a New Yorker by birth and upbringing. I spent the first 24 years of my life

00:42:17.780 within a commuter train ride of manhattan and i as a boy i would go grocery shopping weekly

00:42:26.260 in the italian neighborhood of the bronx one of multiple italian neighborhoods in new york

00:42:31.940 and zoran mamdani releases the new york city map of immigrant enclaves and

00:42:39.820 i don't see little italy i don't see the little italy in manhattan

00:42:45.740 i don't see the little italy in the bronx called the belmont neighborhood do you know what i do

00:42:51.640 see i see little palestine i see little africa i see little haiti little manila little pakistan

00:43:03.040 little ukraine little dominican republic i'm not familiar i'm a new yorker most of my life

00:43:12.000 i don't i don't little bangladesh now i can't remember being there

00:43:15.380 little guyana gateway whatever that is they have chinatown they kept chinatown they don't

00:43:24.480 keep little italy or nolita north of little italy or the belmont area of arthur avenue in the

00:43:29.600 Anyway, to quote Sill from The Sopranos, this is anti-Italian discrimination.

00:43:37.300 And the way that the Mamdani people are going to try to justify this is they'll say, 0.82

00:43:42.720 well, no, no, no. 0.93

00:43:43.260 The thing is, those used to be immigrant enclaves.

00:43:45.100 But now, even though if they keep the Italian-owned restaurants,

00:43:49.720 now there are fewer actual Italians living there,

00:43:51.920 fewer people speaking Italian or what have you.

00:43:53.780 You still speak Italian in the Bronx a little bit.

00:43:55.240 But nevertheless, that's what they're going to try to say.

00:43:57.400 But of course, what this is really about is that the left only likes some immigrants. 0.87

00:44:01.760 They generally don't like the white immigrants.

00:44:04.720 They don't like the immigrants who came here in the earlier waves. 1.00

00:44:07.160 They only like the new immigrants who are from the third world. 1.00

00:44:09.760 And they have made an art out of racial politics, racial and ethnic politics. 1.00

00:44:16.680 That is their currency in politics.

00:44:19.780 That, with a little bit of weird sex stuff, that is left-wing politics in America.

00:44:24.460 And so they're going to erase, just like they erase American history, just like they erase

00:44:28.580 Christopher Columbus, just like they tear down the statues in New York, they're going to erase 1.00

00:44:33.520 all of the old immigrant neighborhoods. And they're going to invent a bunch of new ones, 1.00

00:44:38.620 like Little Haiti, Little Guyana. Oh, yes. Honey, pack your bags. We're going on a cultural

00:44:44.620 enrichment trip to New York. I just can't wait to go visit Little Guyana. Give me a break.

00:44:49.600 But it does get you thinking.

00:44:51.580 It gets you thinking about immigration in American history.

00:44:55.160 Because ideologues want to paint a picture that isn't accurate.

00:44:58.840 They want to say, America is a nation of immigrants.

00:45:00.620 We're not a nation of immigrants.

00:45:01.740 We were built by immigrants. 1.00

00:45:02.680 To some degree, that's true.

00:45:03.600 But largely, it's not true. 0.92

00:45:04.760 No, everybody is a descendant of immigrants.

00:45:06.840 Not necessarily.

00:45:08.000 Some of us in some ways are.

00:45:09.780 But there are different ways.

00:45:11.180 When America was founded, we basically had no immigration.

00:45:14.580 The Nationality Act of 1790, 1791, 0.59

00:45:18.340 excludes basically everybody on earth

00:45:20.160 from coming to America.

00:45:21.820 Very, very few people.

00:45:22.620 Some people from certain parts of Europe

00:45:23.820 were still allowed to come.

00:45:25.240 Then we loosened up immigration

00:45:27.340 in the middle of the 19th century, 1.00

00:45:28.900 flooded the country with immigrants,

00:45:30.320 largely Irish, German,

00:45:32.340 followed by Italians, later by Jews. 0.80

00:45:35.640 That was basically it. 0.93

00:45:36.920 And that was true until the 1920s. 1.00

00:45:39.620 And then we just had too many immigrants. 1.00

00:45:41.360 And there was a lot of strife 0.99

00:45:42.980 between the English descendants and the Irish and the Germans, certainly the Italians and the Jews

00:45:49.440 as well. And so they basically clamped down on immigration for 40 years and said, you're not

00:45:54.740 getting almost any immigration until 1965 when you get the Hart-Celler Act, which not only reopens

00:45:59.620 immigration, but totally changes who gets to come. So huge de-emphasis on all the older places that

00:46:05.020 we got our immigrants from and opens it up to the rest of the world and basically floods the rest 0.99

00:46:10.360 the world. And I have to say, it's a little controversial. The old form of immigration

00:46:19.980 was better. It was better. When we talk about immigration, it's not just quantitative, 1.00

00:46:25.000 but it's also qualitative. And it's not because Italians are necessarily better people than

00:46:30.380 Ethiopians or something. I actually don't, even despite my prejudices, I don't even mean that.

00:46:35.160 I just mean that the Irish and the Germans, and then with a little more difficulty, the Italians and the Jews, were easier to assimilate to America. 0.71

00:46:46.460 And there were still huge problems, huge problems, even with the Irish, huge problems. 0.95

00:46:51.540 But all of those groups were much easier to assimilate to America than Muslims from Africa. 0.94

00:46:58.460 It's just, it's so much easier to assimilate. 0.52

00:47:01.480 It's so much easier to blend.

00:47:03.240 And you actually do get a kind of a cultural enrichment with some downsides too.

00:47:09.140 Looking at this map, it's a real indictment of what we've done and what we know the left is trying to do.

00:47:16.360 Which is not only trying to erase the notion of the founding stock of America and American heritage and all the rest, but even trying to erase the earlier waves of immigrants.

00:47:24.880 They're even anti-immigrant.

00:47:26.640 They only want a very, very specific kind of immigrant so that they can erase the rest of history. 0.55

00:47:31.340 Okay, so much more I want to get to. 1.00

00:47:33.720 Really important report out of the White House

00:47:35.180 on the wokeness of the Smithsonian.

00:47:37.500 Totally pertains to this.

00:47:38.500 But I don't have time to get to it today,

00:47:39.660 so we'll have to get to it tomorrow.

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The Michael Knowles Show - July 13, 2026

Ep. 2014 - Biggest Blow To Charlie Kirk Conspiracies Comes From Tyler Robinson's Defense

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